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Gop-stop from the "warriors of Narnia"

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“If today there is a call with information about some incident in which people in masks appear, the operatives simply refuse to leave,” an employee of one of the Kiev regional police department admitted to the newspaper correspondent in Kyiv. Robberies, arsons, shootouts, incomprehensible personalities on the streets with weapons in the hands became integral attributes of Kiev.

It seemed that with the victory of euromaidan, the common people could finally take a breath. Alas, hopes were in vain. Element, initially localized only in the center of the capital, overflowed the shores of Kiev Maidan, sweeping the whole country.

“If today there is a call with information about some incident, especially in which people in masks appear, operatives simply refuse to leave”

As the newspaper VIEW, reported, on the night of Thursday several dozens of equipped and well-armed thugs in masks seized the branch of Ukrbiznesbank in Kiev. Initially, as is customary in such cases, the information about the seizure looked contradictory. So, UNIAN reported that the invaders agreed to surrender only after negotiations with representatives of the Maidan Self-Defense, and many of them said “with a Russian accent”.

However, according to the UNN, with reference to the Kiev State Department of the Interior, the police penetrated inside, where they detained the invaders who did not resist. All of them, said in the capital police head office, citizens of Ukraine.

According to the latest data, the bank was seized by members of the “Warriors of Narnia” group, in their own words, related to “Maidan’s Self-Defense”. The attackers seized several Kalashnikov assault rifles, two dozen Makarov pistols, a Saiga carbine, plus another “trifle” like bits and knives. It is surprising that after a warning conversation they were all sent home! Say, they voluntarily surrendered their weapons, and it’s still not a fact that they are firearms.

“The identities of all 38 people are established, these are citizens of Ukraine. There are no grounds for their detention. Weapons that they voluntarily surrendered will be sent for examination. Now we are polling bank security and studying video from surveillance cameras. So we will establish who and what was engaged at night in bank, - the representative of militia told. - Night visitors explained to the law enforcement officers that they were “warriors of Narnia”. Some of them said that they came to protect the bank, and someone just passed by, and in the financial institution was by chance. "

The detainees were active participants in recent events in the center of Kiev. Newspapers have repeatedly mentioned the "warriors of Narnia" during the battles with the "Berkut" and during the seizure of the building of the metropolitan administration.

The case is certainly blatant. Banks, of course, were also robbed before Maidan, but so bold in terms of execution and number of participants in the attacks in the police reports of the latest stories Ukraine did not even appear in the gangster 90-s.

A few days earlier, a group of thugs in masks and with bats broke into the prosecutor's office of the Svyatoshinsky district of Kiev, beat the investigator and demanded that he close one of the criminal cases. As it turned out, the initiators of the attack were activists of the right-wing nationalist organization "White Hammer", included in the "Right Sector". Thus, they “accelerated the rate of lyustrami corrupt law enforcement officer.” The law enforcement agencies did not even try to stop the attack on the prosecutor’s office. However, this is no surprise.

No less resonant than the night attack on the bank, was the shooting of three traffic police officers near Kiev earlier on March 2. According to and. about. Prosecutor General Oleg Makhnitsky, the identity of the killers have already been established, they are related to the Maidan, but who these people are, he, referring to the mystery of the investigation, does not speak.
And it looks no less strange than such a liberal attitude towards armed robbers. It would seem that it is necessary to put them on the wanted list, publish photos in the media, and not hide the names of the killers. But now they practically do not recall this case, and sources in law enforcement agencies consider it unlikely in the current realities to bring to justice the criminals related to Maidan.

Provincials on the high road

“If today there is a call with information about some incident, especially in which people in masks appear, the operatives simply refuse to leave,” the senior officer of a Kiev regional police department told the VZGLYAD correspondent on an anonymous basis. - The authorities received instructions from the ministry in such cases to coordinate their further actions with the Maidanov's “Self-Defense”. The situation is unhealthy. Our guys are intimidated and demoralized, many have laid on the report table. Everyone knows Sashko Bily, terrorizing Rovno with a gun. But if you knew how many such cases remain unknown to the public! Because they do not even register with the police. ”

To put it mildly, not too calmly on the Maidan itself, literally teeming with firearms. If police patrols began to reappear around the city, they are still afraid to go to the "heart of the revolution". At night, gunshots are often heard here, internecine squabbles between various Maidan units happen almost every day.

There is no better (and possibly worse) situation in the regions, where the influence of local authorities on the situation is often very conditional. Without sinning against the truth, it is safe to say that dark times are coming for Kiev, and with it all of Ukraine. The dollar exchange rate changes several times a day, the number of jobs is reduced, the level of income falls. In this situation, many of those who remain without work and money simply have no choice but to go on a big road.

Unfortunately, this information practically does not get on the air of the central Ukrainian channels, which today are occupied exclusively with the information war against the “Kremlin aggressor”. But even supporters of unitary Ukraine, who don’t admit even thoughts about leaving Crimea from its composition, gradually begin to ask themselves: do we have the moral right to demand that the residents of the autonomy be with us if we are not able to restore order in Greater Ukraine?

“I am ready to turn to Putin for help”

The paradox, but even Western Ukrainian publications, covering the events in their home regions, sometimes accompany them with amazing headlines: "The Ivano-Frankivsk public is almost ready to turn to Putin for ... help to restore order in the city."
As the newspaper writes, about 150 residents of Ivano-Frankivsk came to the mayor Viktor Anushkevichus with a request to restore order in the city and protect them from masked unknown persons who allegedly walk around the streets of the city and terrorize its inhabitants. As an example, they cited the case in the village of Vovchinets, where representatives of the Right Sector threatened with weapons the deputy of the village council.

“What is happening in the city,” Anushkevichus admitted, “is Makhnovshchina.” According to the mayor, today the weapons stolen by the radicals during the storming of the regional administration of the SBU (earlier this statement was called a provocation) are “used” by the people;

Meanwhile, prices in Ukrainian stores, taking into account the devaluation of the national currency by a quarter in just a couple of weeks, went up. So far, all this is not so painful as the sadly memorable times of shock therapy during the first years of independence. But everyone understands that the main difficulties lie ahead.

In Kiev, in queues in stores, in the markets, in public transport, some say that they are waiting for utility payments next month with fear, when Ukraine will have to pay new tariffs for Russian gas, others agree that the revolution has clearly dragged out and it’s time to start doing real by deed.

And yet the obvious majority of ordinary citizens now only shrug their shoulders, trying to avoid such topics, especially in conversations with strangers. Sadly, Kievans, who were friendly and sociable, had increasingly begun to withdraw into themselves. In the eyes of many passers-by, anxiety is becoming clearer.
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  1. Orel
    Orel 14 March 2014 07: 43
    +9
    Robberies, arsons, gunfights, obscure personalities on the streets with weapons in their hands became inalienable attributes of Kiev.


    The burn of revolution. It always happens.
    1. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 14 March 2014 07: 49
      +8
      revolution never led to the prosperity of the people
    2. Lantau
      Lantau 14 March 2014 07: 49
      +7
      It will not bring all this to good. Makhnovism is the real one.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 14 March 2014 09: 46
        +1
        Urukhai Saurmana out of control due to the mental death of his master. But as history has shown, brave and polite hobbits and woodworms drowned all this evil.
      2. Gregazov
        Gregazov 14 March 2014 22: 56
        +1
        Quote: Lantau
        It will not bring all this to good. Makhnovism is the real one.

        What is Makhnovism here? Nestor Petrovich had much more order. In the Narnian army, if my memory serves me right, there were four children and a beast walking on its hind legs, able to speak humanly. The children disappeared, and the beast went mad and took possession of Ukraine. Nothing polite people will come soon and drive the beast into the cages.
    3. brelok
      brelok 14 March 2014 07: 56
      +7
      These are the flowers, the berries ahead! Heroes demand .....
      1. maks-101
        maks-101 14 March 2014 08: 04
        +2
        Gop stop, we came around the corner.
        Gop stop, you took a lot on yourself
        Now paying late
        Look at the stars
        Look at this sky
        With a glance pancake , is tough.
        Look at this sea -
        See it all for the last time

        Gop stop, you refused to caress me
        Gop stop, you loved the sound of coins so much
        You wore squirrel fur coats, crocodile skin,
        To all the colonels
        Soap feet night
        And get a pen for it.

        GOP stop, Sanyaput it under her rib
        Gop stop, look don't break off the feather
        Oh this stone heart is submarine,
        C'mon call Tyagnibuk,
        He will read her fashionable,
        Very popular now
        In our synagogue is a scumbag.

        Gop stop, do not ask for mercy
        Gop stop and don’t speak to the moon,
        And better remember that raspberry, Vaskin’s picture,
        Where did he figure you and me, as if into a shop window,
        Well don't pull the rubber
        I forgive everything ...
        Finish her Sanya!
      2. predator.3
        predator.3 14 March 2014 08: 14
        +2
        Quote: brelok
        The paradox, but even Western Ukrainian publications, covering the events in their home regions, sometimes accompany them with amazing headlines: "The Ivano-Frankivsk public is almost ready to turn to Putin for ... help to restore order in the city."


        But soon they will turn!
      3. CALL.
        CALL. 14 March 2014 08: 14
        0
        Quote: Orel
        The burn of revolution. It always happens.


        “Poverty leads to revolution, revolution leads to poverty. " Victor Hugo
    4. maks-101
      maks-101 14 March 2014 08: 02
      +1
      The burn of revolution. It always happens.
      I wonder how much the revolutionaries have to endure the new government
    5. Sibiriya
      Sibiriya 14 March 2014 08: 05
      +3

      Plus a grinder and a secret order from Marilyn

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    7. buzer
      buzer 14 March 2014 09: 18
      +1
      you're right! The real waste. I remember once I got burned in the bath ... My head was spinning, I was thinking badly, then I don’t remember anything, I recovered only in the morning. So the revolutionaries have similar symptoms, only worse. They finally can not think and hardly when they wake up ...
    8. Ross
      Ross 14 March 2014 09: 57
      0
      Quote: Orel
      Robberies, arsons, gunfights, obscure personalities on the streets with weapons in their hands became inalienable attributes of Kiev.


      The burn of revolution. It always happens.

      This waste swept all over Ukraine. Armed fighters simply cannot but use their strength in their enrichment. Like the dashing 90s, they offer themselves as a roof.
  2. Canep
    Canep 14 March 2014 07: 44
    +8
    The Maydanschiki took the "Bulgarian" with them to guard the bank, of course. laughing This is the most necessary item for bank protection. laughing
    1. major071
      major071 14 March 2014 07: 53
      +11
      A Bulgarian is a female person with Bulgarian citizenship! laughing To the question: "Why do you need a grinder?" One of the hijackers replied: "Well, I'm a Bulgarian!" drinks
  3. stroporez
    stroporez 14 March 2014 07: 46
    +8
    I think that the people of Ukraine more than once regretted the Maidan ... because Ukraine is now --- a zone free from the law ...
    1. PPL
      PPL 14 March 2014 08: 19
      +2
      ... Ukraine is now --- a zone free from the law ...

      Sobering will come, and with it a bitter hangover. The piquancy of the situation is that even those who reject any existing law and order are setting their own rules of behavior and living standards by modern times.
      Any change of power (revolution, putsch, etc.), wherever it occurs, leads to the same results: impoverishment of the people and growth of the punitive apparatus.
      1. Duke
        Duke 14 March 2014 08: 45
        +1
        Moreover, mind you tried to rob a bank belonging to the younger Yanukovych.
  4. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 14 March 2014 07: 47
    +5
    Harvest the fruits of your efforts !! Here it is ANARCHY !!!
  5. platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 14 March 2014 07: 47
    +7
    they stopped paying goths, but there’s no work to eat at home, that’s why they’re looting, then there’s more, gangs will come together without brakes hi 90s, it will not do without freezing.
  6. Altona
    Altona 14 March 2014 07: 47
    +11
    "Our robbery is not criminal, we have ideological robbery" ... Now, under the "revolutionary" noise, they endure everything ...
    1. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 14 March 2014 07: 53
      +6
      Looted robbery - a political slogan that appeared in Russia in 1918
  7. parus2nik
    parus2nik 14 March 2014 07: 51
    +4
    Gop-stop from the "warriors of Narnia"
    Hmm .. and as you know, we are hot people,
    and we hate calf tenderness .. (mf Bremen Town Musicians)
  8. Chifka
    Chifka 14 March 2014 07: 51
    +3
    Night visitors explained to law enforcement officers that they were "warriors of Narnia." Some of them said that they came to guard the bank, and someone just walked by, and turned out to be in a financial institution by accident. ”

    Otmaz is essentially moronic, sorry for bad French. "We walked past the bank at night, we look - the light is on, let me, I think, let's go ...."
    Indeed the Makhnovshchina. I wonder how the new president of Ukraine will fight this Makhnovism after May 25? You can’t blame it on the frenzy of the revolution; there will be, as they call it, "lawful legitimate power." But there is no one to put things in order, there is no "Berkut", the police are demoralized and hardly anyone will go to work in it now.
    The campaign will be formed by law enforcement agencies from bandits who will patrol the streets during the day and "go to the banks to warm up" at night.
  9. Sergg
    Sergg 14 March 2014 07: 52
    +1
    By their fruits you will know about them, we understand.
    Criminals seized power in Ukraine, rampant crime is growing and will destroy Ukraine.
    The criminal authorities have no chance of becoming legitimate; the swamp rot of the Euromaidan will always remain rot.
  10. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 14 March 2014 07: 52
    +6
    Old Man Angel with envy in a coffin turned over - he did not have such freedom to rob!
  11. ZU-23
    ZU-23 14 March 2014 07: 53
    +1
    Yes, the dough is now going to be raised a lot by the people, cattle, but what interesting are the Maidan people thinking, they stopped showing our channels because of the discord in the ranks of the Maidan people, so the people are on the side of Russia basically.
  12. svetlomor
    svetlomor 14 March 2014 07: 54
    +11
    It’s a great Ukrainian dream to lie down and let the dumplings fly by their mouth, they don’t want to work, they don’t want to fight, they don’t want to think, foreign countries will help them, by dry soldering.
  13. ddmm09
    ddmm09 14 March 2014 07: 58
    +3
    Impunity will play a negative role in Ukraine. All events are still unfolding and the weakening of the position of law enforcement officers is only at the hands of bandits of all stripes. Ordinary citizens as a result themselves will ask for outside help and, I think, they will turn to Russia. Until citizens fully experience the charm of such freedom, they will persist in their misconceptions about the stabilizing role of the Russian Federation in this region.
  14. predator.3
    predator.3 14 March 2014 07: 58
    +4
    "Warriors of Narnia" lol what a fighting name, but the kids of Hollywood fantasy have seen enough, soon others will begin to "plunder the loot", all sorts of "erebor liberators", "defenders of Mordor" wassat
    The revolution enters the second phase - "Expropriation of the expropriators" smile
  15. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 14 March 2014 07: 59
    +2
    It begins ... In a couple of weeks they themselves will start asking Putin to send troops to restore order ... But, guys, you wanted democracy ...
  16. KOH
    KOH 14 March 2014 08: 02
    +2
    I don't remember who said that "The day when the revolution came is the happiest day, and the saddest day of the revolution is the day that came after the revolution ..."
  17. uralets81
    uralets81 14 March 2014 08: 02
    +1
    toli will still be oh oh oh
  18. Kazakh
    Kazakh 14 March 2014 08: 02
    +9
    We Narnia warriors learned from friendly elves that the damned hobbits want to steal from the bank a ring of omnipotence and took the bank under guard. And Frodo Sumkin took the grinder to cut the ring if Sauron breaks through the defense of the Guards tied up because they were disguised goblinslaughing That's how it was necessary to get out of the police. and then went to the light to warm up corny
  19. ilya_82
    ilya_82 14 March 2014 08: 03
    +3
    Law enforcement authorities didn’t even try to stop the attack on the prosecutor’s office.
    As a result of the attack on the prosecutor’s office, a case was opened against the prosecutor by the prosecutor himself laughing
  20. goody
    goody 14 March 2014 08: 04
    +1
    With what they fought, they ran into something. There was a mess, replaced by an even bigger mess.
  21. shibi
    shibi 14 March 2014 08: 06
    +1
    The guys, patrolling Kiev, passed the bank.
    Suddenly they heard how the guards, who accidentally closed in the vault, were asking for help, since they could not open the door themselves.
    Therefore, the Narnia wars decided to come to the rescue and release the guards into the wild.
    So, probably, the official version about the bank looks like. stop
  22. Neophyte
    Neophyte 14 March 2014 08: 10
    0
    Gangs have mastered impunity for any deeds, the benefit of the I.O. authorities is absolutely powerless to restore order. In addition, lawlessness for
    many gang members - this is drif, with alcohol and drugs, this biomass
    -typical anarchy, walk the field. The scenario of the future is an attempt to disperse power with the subsequent Maidan and the war of all against all.
    We will watch this show in the near future!
  23. Cossacks
    Cossacks 14 March 2014 08: 10
    0
    Maybe it will finally make me see. Although unlikely. There was no team yet.
  24. Alex66
    Alex66 14 March 2014 08: 10
    +1
    The main thing is not to let the amers enter Ukraine now, without them, the svidomye will quickly understand that the new government cannot give a damn, except to yell at the Maidan, and ask for help and complain about Russia. A new Bogdan should appear, which will unite the two torn peoples.
  25. Strashila
    Strashila 14 March 2014 08: 11
    +1
    Bulgarian ... so to avert eyes, gain access to the banking network from the bank ... the dream of any hacker, if you have also been given access passwords ... not a come true dream.
  26. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 14 March 2014 08: 12
    0
    Therefore, they can’t find anyone to go to fight for the Crimea. Who needs Crimea, if it’s possible to rob in Kiev as well, and you won’t have anything for it.
  27. Grenz
    Grenz 14 March 2014 08: 17
    +1
    The suicidal indifference of Ukrainians to their fate is simply amazing. Well, yes - Yanuk was bad as the head of state, but now the question is elementary survival. Apparently, the patience of the people did not reach a critical point. But the new government will skillfully transfer the crisis situation to the side of Russia. Kiev is happy to wait for Gazprom to block gas - there will be a howl, Russia is strangling us. And most importantly - the soil in this matter has already been depleted.
  28. ed65b
    ed65b 14 March 2014 08: 18
    +2
    it's only the beginning. There were 2 brothers, one owner of a large factory in Kharkov, the second small in Belgorod. The elder kept learning less. Time has passed. The elder is held hostage by the revolutionaries of the Maidan, lined with tribute with a knife at the throat. The younger takes capital to Ukraine to redeem it. Now both are not laughing. And 3 months ago, more ardent strangers of the Maidan than they were not.
  29. Chifka
    Chifka 14 March 2014 08: 22
    +2
    Two options are seen:
    1. The leader is brought to the head of the police department ... the leader, excuse me, the raiders, "who went to the bank to warm up at night." "Oh! Healthy! Has been in the chiefs for a long time? -No, a week like, from the Maidan right here! And you are in the" law enforcement forces "? now we take up the rest ... "shook hands - parted.
    2. The beginning is the same. "Leader", lounging in the chair of the head of the regional department, tenderly asks him: "Well, boss, how is your wife there? Alive for now? Well, well ... And the kids? Are both alive and well (for now)? Everything is there. are they studying? ... "The police chief covered in cold sweat signs a report on immediate release.
    Variants are possible, but this does not change the essence. "European democracy", so to speak.
  30. Kazakh
    Kazakh 14 March 2014 08: 31
    +9
    Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is gaining contractors. The Navy is invited to the company of ichthyander people with gills and connections among the dolphins. There is a set of horseshoes and bows in the Centaur regiment of Rohan. Their elf battalion named Legolas will accept all long-eared to the position of bow and arrow archers. An avatar company is gaining foot soldiers. Requirements for a blue complexion and tail (horned ones are required to sign up for an assault battalion named after King Caribus). Hobbits are also needed in a chemical company (trunks will be located). laughing Golumov not passing the honey commission will not accept laughing
  31. Dimy4
    Dimy4 14 March 2014 08: 34
    0
    And you think that this situation will teach them something?
  32. Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 14 March 2014 08: 47
    0
    "... the vast majority of ordinary townspeople now just shrug their shoulders ..." - that's bad.
  33. Stiletto
    Stiletto 14 March 2014 09: 25
    0
    Apparently, it is now customary in Ukraine to go for salaries.
  34. Stinger
    Stinger 14 March 2014 09: 29
    0
    It's time to mark with a cross which banks need "protection". And then the people of Kiev are scared and withdrawn into themselves. The gloomy ones walk around and "now they just shrug their shoulders ...".
  35. basil200
    basil200 14 March 2014 09: 43
    0
    These are not warriors of Narnia, these are accountants and cashiers of Narnia who came for salaries for the Maydan people. They did not know that they should be paid a salary from the hill.
  36. balamut
    balamut 14 March 2014 09: 48
    0
    you can throw a stone at me, but for myself I came to the following conclusion:
    In my opinion, we are acting too bluntly, in the forehead. We are going to confrontation with an open visor. Why not make a more elegant combination - after all, everyone knew and understood that after the European integration of Ukraine, the economy there would finally collapse, especially with the advent of a new, muddy government in all respects. This collapse would inevitably lead to an increase in discontent among the population, and if we acted competently, heating up this very discontent and raising new leaders, in a couple of years Ukraine could completely become part of the Russian Federation through peaceful means, again through a referendum.
  37. MolGro
    MolGro 14 March 2014 09: 59
    0
    KIEV, March 13. / ITAR-TASS /. Attackers who attacked a bank in Kiev last night and were detained by police are released. This was reported to reporters in the press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine.
    "The identities of all 38 people have been identified, they are citizens of Ukraine. There are no grounds for their detention. The weapons they voluntarily surrendered will be sent for examination. Now we are interrogating the bank security and studying the video recordings from surveillance cameras. So we will establish who and what was doing at night in the bank - said the representative of the police. - Night visitors explained to law enforcement officers that they are "warriors of Narnia." Some of them said that they had come to guard the bank, and someone just walked by, and happened to be at the financial institution. "

    In short, they were released))
    So if you rob a bank with ears to the advantage), then you will be released for services to the Maidan)
  38. propolsky
    propolsky 14 March 2014 10: 10
    0
    Lord, where does so much come from in "our enlightened age"? Where did all the beauty go, pushing from faith in God to art and literature, in these wild heads?
  39. Vladimir1960
    Vladimir1960 14 March 2014 10: 13
    0
    The rich cry too.
    http://top.rbc.ru/economics/14/03/2014/911026.shtml
  40. domiemon
    domiemon 14 March 2014 10: 24
    0
    But cho normul :) There are still such tuyeva hell :) You can admire the Maidan bomber through a webcam in real time
    http://webcam.guru.ua/city/kiev/2/
    Sandwiches with bacon and seagulls x / r / e / n knows what nobody is driving so that in full accordance with the plot rr-revolutionaries switch to pasture.
    So you can wait for the bank’s guard to visit even more trolls, orcs and other goblins with the bagpipes;
  41. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake 14 March 2014 10: 43
    +1
    And where are the masses enthusiastic about the revolution, glorifying it at all angles. And why Novodvorskaya, Makarevich don’t celebrate the victory there, Rozembaum does not sing songs about the Great Patriotic War and all the others who greeted this whole circus with a puppy screech and applause. Is it time to send them all there.
  42. The shy man
    The shy man 14 March 2014 10: 54
    0
    and these morons want to build a legal society with European values ​​?? .. here the comments are redundant .. under Yanyka there was no such lawlessness
  43. Mi
    Mi 14 March 2014 11: 00
    0
    erased the information that when the masks were removed from these "warriors" - more than half were 17-18-year-old teenagers (that's where the name comes from), after them syringes, bottles (ie about) remained in the bank ... juvenile delinquents on the backside with rods to walk to discipline!
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  45. skifd
    skifd 14 March 2014 11: 12
    0
    To the events in Donetsk, after the collision at the rally:

    http://www.ustream.tv/channel/artem77
  46. strenadk
    strenadk 14 March 2014 13: 22
    +1
    regarding the attack on the prosecutor’s office: -Ivanko, do you remember how the case ended when Yatsenyuk and Bily were suing? - I remember, the prosecutor was given 15 years ...
  47. Shaki's memory
    Shaki's memory 14 March 2014 17: 11
    +1
    "Warriors of Narnia" "Russia = Modor" eka flattens them. The lads have re-read it ... obviously ... The appropriate answer is to set the Russian Tolkienists against them. And let "I'm in charge of the bazaar" Who is a goblin, and who is an honest orc ..