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Almost everyone will be at the referendum. ” Leader of protest in Kharkiv region told whether his region will demand secession from Ukraine

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Almost everyone will be at the referendum. ” Leader of protest in Kharkiv region told whether his region will demand secession from Ukraine“The first and main issue is to grant Kharkiv region autonomy status within Ukraine. We would like to separate economically and organizationally from Kiev and the west of the country, ”ex-deputy of the Kharkiv Regional Council Igor Massalov told the newspaper VIEW. He told what changes are being sought from Kiev residents of Kharkov.


On the eve of a press conference in Kharkiv, the mayor of the city Gennady Kernes was held, at which the mayor commented on the accusations and arrest of the ex-governor of the region, Mikhail Dobkin.

“We have no separatist sentiment. We want to have a state like Germany, Belgium, like the USA "

According to him, all this is nothing more than revenge from the former governor of Kharkov, and now the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Arsen Avakov. During a meeting with journalists, he compared Dobkin with Robin Hood. Regarding the latest political events in the country, he said: “I don’t know what the sophisticated predator would think of. So far we live in the forest. ”
About why the people went to rallies in Kharkov and what the demands of people, in an interview with the VIEW of the newspaper, ex-deputy of Kharkov Regional Council, head of the public foundation “For Honor and Dignity”, member of the Communist Party Igor Massalov told.

VIEW: Igor, the people in Kharkov take to the street. What is their main purpose?

Igor Massalov: The main goal is to hold a referendum. All the south-eastern regions now require only one thing - to hold a referendum on increasing the status of the region. Nobody talks about withdrawal from Ukraine.

VIEW: Regional authorities are ready to support this initiative?

THEM.: I approached the newly appointed governor of the Kharkiv region, Igor Balut, with this initiative. He sent me to the regional council. Communicated with the chairman of the regional council. And he practically convinced him that the referendum had to be held. This will remove and the passions. The only thing he said was that for this he needed to gather a faction and ask if they would support him in this matter. If the faction gathers and supports him, he is ready to give me a call for me to initiate a referendum, then he will put this question to the vote. If they refuse, he will not put the referendum question to a vote.

To which I replied and replied that there was no reason for refusal, there is an 5 Art. Constitution of Ukraine, it provides for a referendum. Power belongs to the people, this is written in the same article of the constitution.

VIEW: German Chancellor Angela Merkel believes that holding a referendum in the Crimea is illegal, and refers to the 73 article of the constitution "On holding an all-Ukrainian referendum." According to her, for such a referendum is required to collect three million signatures.

THEM.: The 73 article of the constitution "On the All-Ukrainian Referendum" talks about changing borders, and we are holding a referendum on increasing the status of the region. This article is not applicable to us. Also, understand, we have the whole country left the legal field. For example, according to the constitution of Ukraine 96, in the absence of the president, his duties fell on the head of parliament, and now on the prime minister. But at the same time no one took additional acts. We have a legal vacuum everywhere. Parliament itself was elected according to one law, and now the other is acting. Even the agreement of Yanukovych with the three foreign ministers of European countries and the opposition is illegal.
According to the position that exists, there can be no such agreement between such a circle of people. Such decisions are made by the constitutional majority, and not by this circle of people. There are continuous stretch. Our regional referendum is a public opinion poll, later enshrined in law. And he is the most legitimate. And to collect, if necessary, three million signatures will not be difficult. In two weeks we will do it.

VIEW: How did the chairman of the regional council take your suggestion to refer to the 5 article of the constitution?

Igor MassalovTHEM.: They are all upset now. The head of the regional council itself was in the hospital, just left. He promised to help. They will work on it. I offered them my services. I explained to them that if they did not make a decision to hold a referendum, we would start collecting signatures and then bring these signatures to them and demand that they approve the holding of the referendum.

VIEW: If it so happens that the regional council approves the referendum, what questions do you intend to put on the ballot?

THEM.: The first and main question is about granting the Kharkov region autonomy status within Ukraine. That is the question of broad autonomy. Life will show further. We would like to separate economically and organizationally from Kiev and Western Ukraine.

VIEW: Why do you want to disconnect from them?

THEM.: We have incommensurable economic potentials. We transfer almost 6 billion hryvnias to the budget. And we get subsidies by one and a half, and sometimes even less. This is clearly not enough area. Everything should be exactly the opposite. The bulk of the funds should remain in the area, and a certain percentage should be transferred to the center. The authorities of Ukraine at the expense of the leveling budget, at the expense of the economically developed southeast, contain the western part of the country. This is unfair. We are trying to eliminate this injustice by such a decision.
VIEW: How many people are willing to participate in the referendum and how many of them are ready to cast their votes for broad autonomy?

THEM.: For the referendum will be almost everything. And for providing the area of ​​broad autonomy - 72 – 75%.

VIEW: If the referendum is successful, what will you do next?

THEM.: Further we will proceed from other criteria. We will ask Russian to be made the second state language. Now it is not even regional. The state is now conducting an ethnocide. The European Charter states that if 20% of the population of any country speaks a language other than the state, then this language must also be state. Ukraine has implemented this charter and does not comply. This is a gross violation of human rights.

VIEW: The leaders of some areas of the south-east were detained by the SBU. Not afraid that such a fate can expect you?

IM: We have no separatist sentiment. We want to have a state like Germany, Belgium, like the USA. To Ukraine was federal. To take into account the characteristics of each region. Now unitarity presupposes the equalization of all, and therefore does not allow developing more advanced regions.

VIEW: From your point of view, the arrest of the ex-governor of the Kharkiv region Dobkin will help him raise the shaky rating and how great are his chances to win the presidential election, about which he spoke so much?

THEM.: I think his rating will certainly grow. We have always loved the "persecuted." But, I think, Dobkin’s rating will grow for objective reasons, he is a good manager. From this flank he has no opponents. Therefore, in my opinion, he has really good chances.

It may turn out that he will be the only one. However, I have the impression that elections will not take place in May. They will be later. There are objective factors pointing to this.

VIEW: What are these factors?

THEM.: No one will have time to prepare for the May elections, since no preparation is yet under way. They need to be transferred, presumably, in the fall.
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  1. Edward72
    Edward72 14 March 2014 07: 05
    +29
    Of course a little off topic, but the essence is the same.
    1. Civil
      Civil 14 March 2014 07: 19
      +15
      Dobkin is just a very bad leader, not kinky, but ... they are also kernels in Africa, kerneses ... straight from the caricature of a kernel fluttered ...
      1. Orel
        Orel 14 March 2014 07: 23
        +3
        The key will be how Russia will behave after March 16. This can lead to an increase in the desire of the regions of Ukraine for independence (if Russia unites with Crimea) and vice versa to reduce these aspirations (if Russia refuses to unite). Now Putin has a huge pressure. First of all, from the economic sector of the government and large companies, which have long been in credit dependence on Western banks. If they block this resource, then they will have to not just. Now Putin needs to decide whether to abandon Crimea or take responsibility for overcoming the consequences of Western sanctions.
        1. Native grandfather
          Native grandfather 14 March 2014 07: 33
          +4
          Personally, I don't care about all the big companies. Nefig invest our money in enemy banks. “I am offended for the state.” (C) If Putin stops at the Crimea and does not undertake anything further significant for the Russian people, then ... yes, I will be very disappointed in him. So they are ruled by oligarchs, that is, money. Damn, yes, this is how to breed a cool girl for sex, undress her, take off her pants and .. And go home.
          1. Magadan
            Magadan 14 March 2014 07: 43
            +4
            and what should Putin do? Tanks enter? Or maybe Kiev bomb right away, what really trifles? Together with the Golden Gate, Kiev Pechersk Lavra, St. Sophia Cathedral and the graves of our common ancestors?
            1. Native grandfather
              Native grandfather 14 March 2014 07: 54
              +4
              Quote: Magadan
              and what should Putin do? Tanks enter? Or maybe Kiev bomb right away, what really trifles?

              Well, think what you said. What, apart from the extremes, are there no other solutions?
            2. Sibiriya
              Sibiriya 14 March 2014 07: 59
              +1
              The smallest thing you can
            3. dmitriygorshkov
              dmitriygorshkov 14 March 2014 08: 49
              +6
              Quote: Magadan
              and what should Putin do? Tanks enter? Or maybe Kiev bomb right away, what really trifles? Together with the Golden Gate, Kiev Pechersk Lavra, St. Sophia Cathedral and the graves of our common ancestors?

              I completely agree with you, and my mind also says no radical measures are necessary!
              But let's argue! Surely we ALL remember the footage of how the banderlogs brought the Lviv Golden Eagle to their knees! And these strong and proud men knelt not out of fear for their skins! They are out of fear for their loved ones! We want everyone to real men in Ukraine also put?
              I understand perfectly well that what is happening now is not a small fraction and their guilt! All this was born before their eyes!
              But now the question "who is to blame" is no longer relevant! "WHAT to do" is relevant!
              Of course, Kiev-Pechersk Lavra is a pity, but do you think its banderlogs will be regretted? They have already plundered everything valuable from museums, and they gave the gold of the Scythians to ideological inspirers!
          2. saag
            saag 14 March 2014 07: 58
            +2
            yeah, take off your pants, and the lass is not lass at all :-)
        2. Canep
          Canep 14 March 2014 07: 35
          +11
          I am 90% sure that Crimea will go to Russia, there Valuev already inspects sports facilities and gave a press conference. By the way, unlike Kichko, he spoke freely with the press, and did not mumble or stupid like a moron.
          1. Ilja 22
            Ilja 22 14 March 2014 08: 12
            +2
            Yes, Klitschko generally showed himself not from the best side, he would have sat better on the opera exactly!)
        3. Counter
          Counter 14 March 2014 07: 45
          +5
          Quote: Orel
          Now Putin needs to decide whether to abandon Crimea or take responsibility for overcoming the consequences of Western sanctions.

          This is a practically settled issue. And NO sanctions there under any circumstances can affect this decision "in principle". It is strange that you still do not understand this.
        4. Onotollah
          Onotollah 14 March 2014 08: 11
          +4
          Quote: Orel
          Now Putin needs to decide

          Yes, everything has been decided for him a long time ago.
          It was worth getting involved in a showdown because of the Crimea in order to then abandon it?
          There is no return stroke.
          And something tells me that things will not end in Crimea.
          1. Ustian
            Ustian 14 March 2014 11: 41
            +1
            Quote: Onotolle
            And something tells me that things will not end in Crimea.

            This is (something) a belief in justice!
            1. Onotollah
              Onotollah 15 March 2014 10: 30
              0
              Quote: Ustian
              faith in justice!

              No buddy, it looks like cynicism, pragmatism and life experience.
              smile
              1. Ustian
                Ustian 15 March 2014 10: 48
                0
                Quote: Onotolle
                Quote: Ustian
                faith in justice!

                No buddy, it looks like cynicism, pragmatism and life experience.
                smile

                I can accept "healthy" cynicism and progmatism, but life experience(Quote: Onotollah
                And something tells me that things will not end in Crimea.)
                the new Russia has not yet had. hi
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 14 March 2014 07: 37
        +2
        the conversation of Kernes with the Colomian was somewhere everything is clear
      3. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 14 March 2014 07: 46
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        Dobkin is just a very bad leader, not kinky, but ... they are also kernels in Africa, kerneses ... straight from the caricature of a kernel fluttered ...

        Of course I agree with you, but you know: "In a hungry year, and fly meat!"
        These uncles tried to balance on the edge, it didn’t work out. Now they are mainly pursuing a pro-Russian policy. Unfortunately, there are no others.
      4. CALL.
        CALL. 14 March 2014 07: 51
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        Dobkin is just a very bad leader

        Whatever it is, but the maydanutye are even worse. With him in Kharkov at least people. for the Russian language, did not kill. And he has a negative attitude towards Bandera. Although Dobkin is a man of Kolomoisky. So, radish, a little sweeter.
      5. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx 14 March 2014 11: 46
        0
        Quote: Civil
        Dobkin is just a very bad leader, not kinky, but ... they are also kernels in Africa, kerneses ... straight from the caricature of a kernel fluttered ...

        I wonder how much you yourself realize how right you are.
    2. Canep
      Canep 14 March 2014 07: 21
      +3
      If it continues, then there will be nothing to circle, maybe only the Maidan in the center of Kiev.
      1. platitsyn70
        platitsyn70 14 March 2014 07: 42
        +2
        Ukrainians are not a leader at all, there is a fascist leader, and he is walking on corpses and will go on corpses, and stupid zapadentsi echo him, and if he comes to power everyone will be a p-ts and we will have a humanitarian catastrophe on the borders of what USA. west will run west, and east east.
      2. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 14 March 2014 07: 49
        +1
        Quote: Canep
        If it continues, then there will be nothing to circle, maybe only the Maidan in the center of Kiev.

        As recent events have shown, in whose hands the Maidan is the hillock!
        Therefore, if you start, it is from the Maidan!
        1. Yuri Y.
          Yuri Y. 14 March 2014 09: 03
          +1
          Quote: dmitriygorshkov
          Of course I agree with you, but you know: "In a hungry year, and fly meat!"

          This is used. More serious leaders were closed for this.
  2. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn 14 March 2014 07: 11
    +14
    Adherents. Granting the status of autonomy within Ukraine. Why then raise the flags of Russia? Like, Russia will help us stay in Uraina? The eternal Ukrainian manner - no matter how it happened, let's see who wins and join. My hut is on the edge.
    1. TEODOR
      TEODOR 14 March 2014 07: 25
      +4
      Quote: Riperbahn
      Adherents. Granting the status of autonomy within Ukraine. Why then raise the flags of Russia? Like, Russia will help us stay in Uraina? The eternal Ukrainian manner - no matter how it happened, let's see who wins and join. My hut is on the edge.

      Let it be autonomy for us, it’s easier without gov.na on any Western geyberasts, and they will depend on Russia economically and politically, like Ossetia and Abkhazia. And there, over the next twenty years, it’s possible to hold a referendum approved by the world community as a free expression of the will of the people, and I’m afraid I’ll not join the current soon.
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    3. chisya
      chisya 14 March 2014 07: 32
      +2
      And who raises that? The one who hung the flag of Russia over the ODE, he is actually a citizen of Russia. By the way, here he is on the forum. I have already said for a long time that most of Kharkov does not want to go to Russia. Were at rallies, etc. and I’ll tell you that the people are not in the mood for separation. Federalization is more yes than no. The status of the Russian language as a second state language is also yes. Good relations with Russia - yes, of course. But nobody really thinks about separation.

      Here the people themselves are used to working with a federal structure, when the bulk of the money will remain in the region, if, as usual, it is not stolen ... let’s live better than many regions of Russia. After all, there is everything for this. We are not subsidized Crimea or western.

      I don’t ask any of my friends, there’s only one answer - if only they wouldn’t interfere with my work. Especially with their requisitions and bribes.

      I also want to note an incomprehensible hysteria about the Nazis and Bandera in the Russian media. Of course, it’s better not to watch our news either, there almost every night the war begins ... But nevertheless, there are no fascists in Kharkov. The maximum paid for this came by waving flags. But to call everyone who speaks Ukrainian Bandera and fascists, you know, it’s even somehow offensive. All these rallies are needed only by politicians who will give a damn about water. Gather a thousand and set against each other. But this is certainly not the evil Bandera beating up peaceful Russian-speaking protesters. Rave.

      In general, everything is as usual, the city lives its own life, the only thing that starts to be noticeable is the closure of various institutions, etc. People tighten their belts and do not spend much money now. For who knows what will happen tomorrow.

      Again, it is not clear why the Russians believe that Kharkov really wants to be part of Russia? request
      1. Riperbahn
        Riperbahn 14 March 2014 07: 39
        +11
        The Russians no longer count. The Russians, IMHO, are tired of this circus. It would not be a pity the East, but you yourself are the creators of your happiness - ostriches, hiding their heads themselves know where. The Central government will never give and will not tolerate your autonomy. Do you think that you will be fattening on your money, and there they ask Pies from Nuland? They will come and bend down - you will do nothing! You do not have your own autonomous army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. It's a question of time
        1. chisya
          chisya 14 March 2014 07: 48
          0
          Who knows who knows. They are there themselves now shuganny, afraid to make sudden movements. For Crimea showed them how it happens.

          Well, about the come - well, let them try. Here, from the right sector and some obscure Bandera, they are making almost an army of the Third Reich. It was always interesting to find out. How many of these Bandera people? And how to distinguish them from Ukrainian speakers. Or just from brainwashed youth.

          Well, in general, our people here are one of the most "difficult", rather rude and selfish, in comparison with other regions. And as if they themselves say, why would Russia do well for Kharkov? Doesn't she have any worries of her own? Therefore, there are no illusions that Russia will do well for everyone. Moreover, Kharkiv is already better than some Russian regions, if you look further from Moscow and St. Petersburg ... Believe me, everything is not so bad here.

          Another thing is if a global ass comes, as many have suggested. But somehow the prerequisites are not visible, honestly.
          1. dmitriygorshkov
            dmitriygorshkov 14 March 2014 13: 16
            +1
            Quote: chisya
            Well, in general, our people here are one of the most "difficult", rather rude and selfish, in comparison with other regions. And as if they themselves say, why would Russia do well for Kharkov? Doesn't she have any worries of her own? Therefore, there are no illusions that Russia will do well for everyone. Moreover, Kharkiv is already better than some Russian regions, if you look further from Moscow and St. Petersburg ... Believe me, everything is not so bad here.

            Well, well, I believe in it with a light heart!
            God bless you guys to live calmly, happily and richly!
            Quote: chisya
            Another thing is if a global ass comes, as many have suggested. But somehow the prerequisites are not visible, honestly.

            But this is no longer guys! Deal with your asses yourself, because
            Quote: chisya
            Well, in general, our people here are one of the most "difficult", rather rude and selfish, in comparison with other regions. And as if they themselves say, why would Russia do well for Kharkov? Doesn't she have any worries of her own?

            I wish you hello!
          2. nahalenok911
            nahalenok911 15 March 2014 06: 46
            0
            How is it in Ukrainian! When born, a Jew cried ...
        2. Combitor
          Combitor 14 March 2014 08: 06
          +2
          Quote: Riperbahn
          A Matter of Time

          In the whole story only Crimeans took a clear position. And the presence of two questions for the Crimean referendum is for the rule of law. So that afterwards America, Europe and their Russian lackeys do not scream. I am sure that Crimea will become part of Russia. But this cannot be said about the rest of Ukraine. It’s like against the putschists, like for ... We want Separate economically and organizationally from Kiev and the west of the country... But to be part of Ukraine. In short, eat fish and ... sit. It won't work. It seems to me that a "parade of sovereignties" will soon begin in Ukraine. Areas will scatter along the bottom of the barrel. But one by one it is easy to grab them. Romania is already setting the table. There, Poland and Germany will arrive in time. I believe that if the eastern and southern regions do not want to have anything to do with the putschists and Kiev, then they need to unite. And form something like a federation. Regrettable, but now it is very far from the "united and indivisible Ukraine". It's a pity.
      2. Native grandfather
        Native grandfather 14 March 2014 07: 42
        +1
        Quote: chisya
        But to call everyone who speaks Ukrainian Bandera and fascists,

        Yes, nonsense, of course. The language of my ancestors clearly does not belong to Bender.

        Quote: chisya
        Again, it is not clear why the Russians believe that Kharkov really wants to be part of Russia?

        Which region wants, which not. But the bulk of the southeast had such a desire, especially under the impending threat of the Maidan right sector and others like them. Well, excuse me, dare under the general comb of the mood of the masses. repeat smile
        1. Riperbahn
          Riperbahn 14 March 2014 07: 48
          +6
          Yes, no one wants. They want only one thing - so that Russia protects them from Bandera and ensures a quiet and comfortable life. And then - nafik! The Moor has done his job - the Moor can return to places of permanent deployment - we can live without it!
          1. Native grandfather
            Native grandfather 14 March 2014 08: 01
            0
            Quote: Riperbahn
            Yes, no one wants. They want only one thing - so that Russia protects them from Bandera and ensures a quiet and comfortable life. And then - nafik!

            Tady everything is clear. Well good luck in your endeavors. I will come to visit you. ))) It has long been a dream. )))
      3. Docent1984
        Docent1984 14 March 2014 07: 45
        +1
        We don’t think so. For this, referendums are needed to understand what the population of a particular region wants. And the bandits in Kiev are afraid of free will, like a devil of incense ...
        1. chisya
          chisya 14 March 2014 07: 54
          +1
          The fact is that local referenda were crushed by Yanukovych. Now it’s too lazy to look in detail, but in the years 2011-2012 Yanukovych accepted something there, canceled something, and as a result there is no legislative base for local referenda.

          "In accordance with the Constitution, citizens have rights and freedoms in terms of expressing their will at a local referendum. But the mechanism for the implementation of these rights and freedoms must be spelled out in the law. Without the law on local referendum, it is impossible to hold a referendum as such, despite the fact that this right is provided for by the Constitution. "

          The collision was formed after the adoption of the law "On the All-Ukrainian Referendum" in November 2012 (dated November 28, 2012). The document does not spell out the procedure for holding local referendums, at the same time, according to the final provisions, after the entry into force of the new law, the 1991 law "On All-Ukrainian and Local Referenda" became invalid.

          This is our CEC says. That is, Yanukovych under himself the entire power of rowing, and he himself even crushed the possibility of the manifestation of the will of the people. New laws are needed now, but Kiev is unlikely to move.
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 14 March 2014 08: 58
            +1
            The fact is that local referenda were crushed by Yanukovych.
            Well, according to the new authorities, he’s not good. It is due to this status. But why white and fluffy putschists do the same, only with more stringent methods? Indeed, according to the logic of things, if you condemn a person for a bad deed, you must act better yourself. But no ... They try to make it worse.
        2. agbykov
          agbykov 14 March 2014 12: 25
          +1
          If we assume that the junta needs an indivisible Ukraine, then its actions are sheer errors. But why do you think that is their goal? If we consider that their goals are incitement to civil war and chaos, then they are doing everything right.
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      5. Thompson
        Thompson 14 March 2014 10: 44
        +3
        Nobody in Russia counts anything in other regions except Crimea!
        Crimea is clearly defined and it’s easy and easier for us!
        And all other regions, well, a copy of Yanukovych, he is your natural product! Want to sit on two chairs. (I will not say another saying)
        Do not be naive! No one will give you a quiet life with your self-sufficiency! But what about, feed zapadentsiya, center, government ??? Come on, send subsidies!
        Just because they do not let you go, that without the southeast, Ukraine as a state is simply a territory! The state is primarily an economic potential!
        It's short hi
      6. I_VOIN_I
        I_VOIN_I 14 March 2014 11: 31
        +2
        No one believes that the South East wants to go to Russia. and Putin needs neither Kharkov nor Donetsk. Russia needs a whole independent Ukraine without American military bases near Kharkov. And without fascist fellows in Kiev and in the west. And that would be possible to trade with Ukraine.
      7. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx 14 March 2014 12: 20
        0
        Quote: chisya
        Again, it is not clear why the Russians believe that Kharkov really wants to be part of Russia?

        Complete nonsense, amiable! All that you have sprinkled here is an utter lie! Do you follow the instructions of the State Department?
        A brainwashing technique for Ukrainians on the Internet who resist the US and Nazi occupying forces in Kiev.
        1. Venue: social networks, sites, blogs, news feeds, comments in video feeds, YouTube, justice and so on.
        2. Comments should be with supporting pictures, links, videos, even if they are simply cut out of the general context.
        3. Use cultural speech in conversations; be friendly and welcoming
        4. Do not get fooled by provocations, do not respond with aggression to aggression
        5. Attack on the post, video, commentary is carried out purposefully, in groups of 10-20 people, you will simply be defeated by facts alone
        6. Force the opponent to use a mat and other obscene expressions by any actions
        7. Constantly point out to the opponent that he is behaving uncivilized
        8. If the opponent crushed your lies with facts, make an emphasis on his grammatical errors, this will demoralize and shame the opponent, veiling the fact of your lies
        9. Try to make a split between groups of opponents, for example, people call to stand up for the defense of Donetsk, and you write that yourself from Donetsk and it makes no sense to fight, it will only get worse

        This is a part of the manual, which has a lot of "interesting" things ...
        1. chisya
          chisya 14 March 2014 12: 36
          -1
          Quote: Jogan-64
          Complete nonsense, amiable! All that you have sprinkled here is an utter lie! Do you follow the instructions of the State Department?


          Have you seen how things are in Kharkov? So tell us your vision. I just write how I see myself and my surroundings. Not one of my friends from Kharkov wants the region to become part of Russia. So it goes.

          And leave your accusations to yourself. I do not know you, you me. And do not judge people like that ...


          Quote: Jogan-64
          Flags of Russia raises the people


          Well, yes, the people of Russia, like the one who raised above our ODE.

          Quote: Jogan-64
          But the simple working people in SE almost all for joining the Russian Federation and insists on the inclusion of a clause on accession in referendum issues.


          Well, yes, people don’t know where to join the line in turn. What referendum? The fact that a couple of thousand people work out money on the square still does not mean anything.
          1. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx 14 March 2014 14: 15
            -1
            Quote: chisya
            The fact that a couple of thousand people work out money on the square still does not mean anything.

            Just all the maidanut and the rest of the corrupt trash, which itself was bought for money, says so. You have a different mind and do not think that people can go to rallies in conscience, and not for money.
            On this nonsense you pierced. Also say that Russia or the local oligarchs pays money ...
            Run better than silver pieces for your libel ...
            1. chisya
              chisya 14 March 2014 14: 40
              -1
              You are not a good person, call your name. I have never been to the Maidan and do not support them. But you are right about one thing, I cannot believe in honest rallies from either side. Because they really buy everyone, back in 2004 at the Orange Revolution, and both sides did not particularly hide. Those who are in power use admin.resource to make it cheaper. Under the threat of dismissal, people are driven away. My relatives and I were forced to leave, and they brought me from a region to a party of regions.

              It is not necessary, please, to classify me as incomprehensible to whom ... I never went to rallies for money and was the last time back in 2004, once for patriotic reasons, when there was faith, like many, that the changes came. Apparently the whole problem is After my own selfishness, after all these promises and disappointments, there is no faith for anyone ... Therefore, I do not believe in the EU or Russia, etc. Here I am already so spoiled.

              Well, in general, I just expressed my vision here ... once it came to insults, somehow there is no desire to communicate with you. Although my vision does not coincide with the bulk of the people represented here, but no one forbids you to talk about it?

              So then I will only be glad if people really come out themselves, but believe it with difficulty. Well, now I take my leave, good luck and all that. hi
              1. Jogan-xnumx
                Jogan-xnumx 14 March 2014 23: 18
                -1
                Quote: chisya
                Well, now I take my leave, good luck and all that.

                From the same sale bastard! He is polite ... You too ... successfully hang on an aspen. Like Jude.
              2. nahalenok911
                nahalenok911 15 March 2014 06: 55
                0
                Poor people ...
          2. Native grandfather
            Native grandfather 14 March 2014 15: 56
            +1
            Quote: chisya
            Well, yes, people don’t know where to join the line in turn. What referendum? The fact that a couple of thousand people work out money on the square still does not mean anything.

            A Cossack mishandled. All clear.
      8. agbykov
        agbykov 14 March 2014 12: 20
        0
        "In general, everything is as usual, the city lives its own life." It is necessary to add the keyword WHILE: "While in general everything is as usual, the city lives its own life ..."

        National Guard aka punitive units have already been created.
    4. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 14 March 2014 07: 38
      +4
      Yes, the Jewish power in the regions is like an interim government and constituent assembly of Russia before the October coup.
      Their replicas are "zilch" and "bang" from a bursting balloon. There is no national leader there and the South-East and the East will soon receive a blow from the Bandera. Already distributing weapons and shouting Yarosh stirring up the activists on lynching and purges.
      Russia will receive refugees.
      But still. Ukraine has one future - the collapse of industry and the appendage of the West, which allowed them to feed the aging and bankrupt regimes in the Western countries and the USA with their collapse and economic decline.
    5. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 14 March 2014 07: 58
      +5
      Quote: Riperbahn
      Adherents. Granting the status of autonomy within Ukraine. Why then raise the flags of Russia? Like, Russia will help us stay in Uraina? The eternal Ukrainian manner - no matter how it happened, let's see who wins and join. My hut is on the edge.

      They just at the present stage do not have the strength to go further.
      Not even a lack of strength, but unity, understanding of one’s purpose and, most importantly, DESIRE to go all the way!
      The referendum and federalization is too blessed a scenario! Maidanula banderlog not in vain create organized crime groups under the flag of the National Guard. They will trample the sprouts of dissent.
      And you think about the name "National Guard"! Do you think by chance? No matter how!
      1. chisya
        chisya 14 March 2014 08: 06
        -3
        Quote: dmitriygorshkov
        Maidanute banderlog


        Here again. From your words the impression is created that people from the western rule everything absolutely. In fact, there are a lot of Russian speakers. And on the Maidan and in the right sector. You can’t divide as you present here. For a long time, everything was mixed up. Especially youth. A whole generation has grown and the further the worse it will be ... in terms of the fact that people no longer consider themselves part of Russia. And the more time passes in this direction, the more people will consider themselves independent and separate. For it is self-affirmation.

        Again, in this situation, when relatives, for example, from the same right sector are in the east, it is difficult to imagine such a civil one, as they draw here. The country has not divided so openly along the Dnieper for a long time, I would say that the "orange" moods have long stepped over the Dnieper in the direction of Russia. And further it will be even worse in this regard, because the population of even the east is difficult to predict. The same Kharkov 50/50.
        1. Native grandfather
          Native grandfather 14 March 2014 08: 47
          +2
          Quote: chisya
          In fact, there are a lot of Russian speakers.

          And where does Russian-speaking or Ukrainian-speaking? !!! Not about that at all. What difference does it make who speaks what language? We are talking about the minority that sits in Kiev and runs everything at the behest of the United States and Germany. Didn't notice how the Benderaites (and I don't care that someone doesn't like what they are called), after the prohibition of all Russian (exactly after YOUR EUROmaidan) dodged their backs and sort of allowed (for now) to speak Russian? When the pi.nd.oss.niks saw what the Yaytsenyuk were doing in power and how they were turning away the whole people from themselves, they put a piston in them. And on the Internet, excuses immediately flowed, they say there is no where and there were no guys in masks, with bats and with a swastika. Does Kharkiv know that in Ukraine all your SBU is subordinate to the CIA? Does Kharkiv know that the so-called "national guard" of neo-Nazis and their admirers is being organized under the flag of the Ukrainian state? Does Kharkiv know that at least 300 elite fighters of the American private army have been in Kiev for a long time? Or do you think this is all done for the sake of leisure tourism?
          No one is against your not addiction. But if not addiction, then it should be complete and further from the ruling elite of Kiev. If you are with someone, then either with Russia or with America. In the first version and with independence, Russia will help you. The second option - was it worth it to start? Just forget about federation.
          1. chisya
            chisya 14 March 2014 09: 07
            -5
            Quote: Native grandfather
            after the ban of all Russian

            If you are about the abolition of language law, then it did not work. It was Yanukovych’s move before the elections, but about 15 billion hryvnias were needed to implement it. So this stillborn law did not go further than pieces of paper.

            Another thing is that certain forces took advantage of this and told the people nonsense, plus stupid people still lying around the monuments.

            Yes, what kind of independence is there ... either under Europe or under Russia. Now you say America then America is. And to take the very good right pro-Russian President Yanukovych. When he quietly decides something with Putin in Sochi for the whole country. Is this normal for you? Or take the current proteges in the Crimea. One former criminal and authority, the second owes a lot of money to banks. Do you also want to send such leaders to us?

            By the way, the Crimean people have already introduced a restriction on daily withdrawals from the account of 300 hryvnias ($ 30) and a ban on withdrawing deposits. They also want to nationalize all banks and state. institutions. So tell me, people with such a past will take and do all Crimeans well? The main thing for Russia is to be loyal, and there let him do what he wants. The same is with the United States.

            I do not want to offend you or your country. But do not make some kind of idol from Russia. Your authorities are still oligarchs and corruptionists. And it’s not very customary for others to do well for others.

            Everyone has their own interests and Russia here is not very different from the United States. Under the beautiful slogans, essentially the goals are alone. Territory and market and no more.
            1. Native grandfather
              Native grandfather 14 March 2014 09: 20
              +2
              Quote: chisya
              If you are about the abolition of language law, then it did not work. It was Yanukovych’s move before the election,

              Quote: chisya
              Yes, what kind of independence is there ... either under Europe or under Russia.

              Quote: chisya
              secretly decides something with Putin for the whole country

              Quote: chisya
              Russia here is not much different from the USA

              Quote: chisya
              Territory and market and no more.

              Oh my God!!!! Everything, forget everything that I wrote to you. End the discussion.
            2. Ptah
              Ptah 14 March 2014 09: 24
              +3
              Quote: chisya
              Territory and market and no more.
              Does Russia lack territory? Is there a surplus of pro-va?
              Quote: chisya
              Everyone has their own interests and Russia here is not very different from the United States. Under the beautiful slogans, essentially the goals are alone.

              It differs in that on a single point on the planet, in modern geopolitics, there may be one or the other. The goals can be different (as I want) Russia replenishes the Slavic gene pool, so intensely eroded chur.kobesami. America wants a new base in an important strategic region with a team of ukro-natives.
              Quote: chisya
              Your authorities are still oligarchs and corruptionists. And it’s not very customary for others to do well for others.

              Absolutely right!!! Therefore, your example of Maidan is an invaluable lesson for the Racean rulers.
              1. chisya
                chisya 14 March 2014 09: 27
                -2
                Quote: Ptah
                Does Russia lack territory? Is there a surplus of pro-va?

                Russia does not want to get the NATO border at its side. And it is a matter of time if the choice falls on Europe. Russia needs a buffer zone and Ukraine is suitable for this role.
                1. dmitriygorshkov
                  dmitriygorshkov 14 March 2014 10: 02
                  +1
                  Honoring or how are you there (so, in secret, on the Maidan they gave me a drive?)
                  Under Yanyka, you easily and naturally sought NATO,
                  Quote: chisya
                  Russia needs a buffer zone and Ukraine is suitable for this role.

                  Well, finally I made fun! Ukraine, the role of the buffer zone ???
                  Yes! I join grandfather Native RU, they don’t argue with the clinic!
                2. Ptah
                  Ptah 14 March 2014 10: 26
                  +2
                  Quote: chisya
                  Russia needs a buffer zone and Ukraine is suitable for this role.

                  What are you talking about? What buffer zone ... From whom? Look at the map from the opposite side of the gypsies-Moldovans-Romanians. They have a buffer zone ... Why? so that they with their songs, dances and vinyl do not move to the borders of Russia ...
                  Yes, you still write that Russia is creating a sanitary cordon from the area covered by the leprosy epidemic.
                  If it were Gena Onishchenko's uncle, he would have banned "smoke from burning tires" at once, and at the same time goods from Ukraine. Then, two months later, your manufacturers would have stood at Putin's office with a request to be admitted to the Customs Union.
                  And without any tanks ...
                  1. chisya
                    chisya 14 March 2014 10: 31
                    -1
                    Quote: Ptah
                    That would be Uncle Gene Onishchenko


                    Why didn’t you save him if he is so valuable? smile

                    Quote: Ptah
                    Gypsies-Moldovans-Romanians


                    This does not stop the Americans from promoting their missile defense.
            3. Jogan-xnumx
              Jogan-xnumx 14 March 2014 12: 27
              +1
              Quote: chisya
              Everyone has their own interests and Russia here is not very different from the United States. Under the beautiful slogans, essentially the goals are alone. Territory and market and no more.

              LYING!!!
              A brainwashing technique for Ukrainians on the Internet who resist the US and Nazi occupying forces in Kiev.
              1. Do not use the words seizure of power, Bandera, militants, terrorists, extremists, Nazis, nationalists. Always say - the people of Ukraine
              2. Do not write that we are for Europe, write that we are for united Ukraine
              3. Do not use language differences. Southeast and Crimea writes "in the Ukraine" - agree with them, do not make discord in this. Try to write in Russian, the Ukrainian speech immediately repels many.
              4. Try to convince them that they were cheated or cheated
              5. Try to convince that Russia only needs resources and labor from Ukraine
              6. Try to convince that everything is bad in Russia, use pictures of remote places, old buildings, dumps, demotivators about old women, retirement, hungry children and other facts of human pity are ideal
              7. Try to convince that nobody is going to them, that nobody is going to grab or demolish anything from them
              8. To show to the maximum how Yanukovych and the PR deputies lived, to emphasize that this is all stolen people's money
              9. To prove to them that Ukraine will be strong only together, individually to intimidate that Russia from the South-East and Crimea will make them their slaves or something bad
              10. If the opponent shows you the successes and achievements of Russia, reproach the opponent for being subjected to Kremlin propaganda. To convince your opponent that you allegedly have relatives in Russia who are terrified of Russia's poverty and poverty
              11. In the same way, in this vein, do the opposite, if the opponent shows you facts of poverty and devastation in Europe, the EU or the USA
              12. Try to convince to the maximum that the Maidan is supported by the South-East and Crimea, they say, you have friends there, relatives who are behind the Maidan.
              13. If the opponent can prove to you that the National Bank is controlled by the United States, emphasize that this is done in all countries, for the convenience of the economy. Also emphasize that the US and the EU want to help Ukraine and are very worried about it.
              1. chisya
                chisya 14 March 2014 12: 39
                -1
                Quote: Jogan-64
                LYING!!!


                Well done, let’s light up this so-called instruction a couple more times. Apparently this is a powerful argument.
                1. Jogan-xnumx
                  Jogan-xnumx 14 March 2014 14: 26
                  -1
                  Quote: chisya
                  Well done, let’s light up this so-called instruction a couple more times.

                  And you thought you were hanging a bunch of noodles here and everyone would believe you?
                  Kharkov is my homeland and I know perfectly well what is going on in it. So get rid of the squad, a provocateur.
        2. Thompson
          Thompson 14 March 2014 10: 52
          +1
          What `s next? Which way out? Which of these 50-50 should concede? Precisely give in!
          Because to compromise with this power, there is no longer confidence. At you, not only at us.!
          So where to steer, there and moor.
          And we will be either observers, or spectators, or just somewhere nearby, but we don’t feel like participating! So as not to become guilty of all your sins again! Themselves brought to this, yourself and rake!
          P / S An example of South Ossetia in your hands, there were 50-50 even relatives! Faced ... !!!!!!!!!!!!
    6. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 14 March 2014 12: 07
      +1
      Quote: Riperbahn
      Adherents. Granting the status of autonomy within Ukraine. Why then raise the flags of Russia?

      The flags of Russia are raised by the people, and not by these unfortunate deputies, who are entirely opportunists. They would have to save their feeder in the first place, but they are afraid of Russia so that the freebie does not stop. The same in Ukraine and almost the entire business is clever, because it is built on a scam. But the simple working people in SE almost all for joining the Russian Federation and insists on the inclusion of a clause on accession in referendum issues.
  3. Petrovich-2
    Petrovich-2 14 March 2014 07: 15
    +15
    It seems that Kernes and Dobkin are Gapon's priests. Sorry Kharkov.
    1. Nick
      Nick 14 March 2014 07: 26
      +2
      Quote: Petrovich-2
      It seems that Kernes and Dobkin are Gapon's priests. Sorry Kharkov.

      Trying to sit on two chairs. Gorbachev had already tried what came of it, we all know.
    2. philip
      philip 14 March 2014 07: 43
      +1
      Dobkin marks for president. However, I am not legitimate considering this issue, there will be no elections on May 25th. In this vein:
      If the egg meets Obama, then it makes sense to consider the legitimacy of all US actions.
  4. ZU-23
    ZU-23 14 March 2014 07: 22
    +4
    Merkel is a scarecrow, refers to some articles as if she had read them, as far as I remember, Crimea as an autonomy itself has the right to decide on secession from Ukraine.
  5. Humpty
    Humpty 14 March 2014 07: 23
    +7
    Kernes is shaking for his chair and hide, that's all interest.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 14 March 2014 08: 39
      +1
      Quote: Humpty
      Kernes is shaking for his chair and hide

      By and large, the price of his own rat skin is a penny on a market day. He has many opportunities to dump anywhere on the ball any day. The stolen babos is also enough for grandchildren.
      But he doesn't want to take a low start. And not because he is so unkillable and heroic, but because he has already been thrown into immeasurably money in order to keep him "at the helm."
      Hence his personal desire to ride after Dopa to Kiev. Who thinks that Gepa will surely suffer in prison, and will not live a week on a removable hut in the company of Kalomoysky?

      As soon as Dopa announced his desire to run for office, and a few days later the most degenerate bodies, like Yarosh and Bilogo, announced this, I understood the logic of the actions.
      Support these Western de.biloids, dress them up in pingjacks AND ALWAYS BRING THEM TO THE ELECTION. AS CARICATORS. Against their background, Dupa I Gepa will look like "saviors of the nation", messiah-sufferers for "the people's cause."
      Now this project is developing in both directions.
      And the media, including and Russian, contribute to this (by accident or thoughtfully).
      Showing the national convulsions of some and the "suffering" of others.
  6. Native grandfather
    Native grandfather 14 March 2014 07: 25
    +2
    This type of Kharkov decided to remain independent?
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn 14 March 2014 07: 27
      +1
      Like yes. They only need Russia in order not to give money to Kiev. And they want to live as part of Ukraine. It is correct that there were no polite people. Putin did not support those who like to rake the heat with their own hands.
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 14 March 2014 07: 39
        +1
        I think they want to initially leave Ukraine and then after some time join Russia.
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      3. Native grandfather
        Native grandfather 14 March 2014 07: 49
        +1
        Quote: Riperbahn
        Like yes. They only need Russia in order not to give money to Kiev. And they want to live as part of Ukraine.

        Why then call Russia for help? Be a separate state. No one is against it. And in a separate state, Russia will not interfere, respecting his sovereignty. Do not like our president - live with yours. The master is the master. And you have our moral support.
      4. Corsair
        Corsair 14 March 2014 07: 49
        +2
        Quote: Riperbahn
        Type yes.

        Like: "Congratulations Sharik! You are a dunce ..."
        Why did you suddenly decide that SOMEONE is a legitimate spokesman for the will of the whole region ??? Do you believe an opportunist?

        With such "success" one can believe in the sermon of the pastor - usurper Turchinov ...

        I sympathize that you were not able to "highlight accents" on your own, because over time, being mistaken, you may not even notice how you will switch to the "dark side" ...
  7. Sergg
    Sergg 14 March 2014 07: 27
    +3
    I am sure that historical justice will prevail. The eastern part of Ukraine will become either part of Russia or independent, both options are highly desirable for this region. Let degenerates and lazy people stay with Europe. I am sure we all support the eastern and southern parts of Ukraine. I believe in these people, I believe that there is justice !!!
    1. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather 14 March 2014 07: 52
      +1
      Quote: Sergg
      The eastern part of Ukraine will become either part of Russia, or independent

      They want to be a federal part of Ukraine with a neo-Nazi bias. It will not work for them to remain free. I am not against their independence, but for this they need to tightly close the borders of this entire junta.
  8. Revolver
    Revolver 14 March 2014 07: 33
    +1
    Is it like creating a "United States of Ukraine"? Will not fail. As long as the budget and the security forces are managed from Kiev, any degree of autonomy will remain an empty piece of paper with no real content, even though this autonomy will be appointed from above, even though they will vote from below.
    In America, the police do not submit to Washington and not even to the states, but to cities (towns). And schools, from kindergartens to secondary (here it is called the highest - high school, grades 8 to 12). Each city decides which subjects, to what extent, and by which textbooks to go through. And even the language of instruction - in some places with a particularly high concentration of Latinos there are bilingual programs. Because the city contains both schools and police at its own expense. And the money for this is taken in the form of taxes on real estate and businesses.
    So, while Kiev takes all the money from Kharkov, and then allocates as much as it wants, there really is no point in talking about any autonomy. First you need to ensure that at least part of the taxes remains in place, and only then start talking about autonomy.
    1. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather 14 March 2014 08: 08
      0
      Quote: Nagan
      So, while Kiev takes all the money from Kharkov, and then allocates as much as it wants, there really is no point in talking about any autonomy.

      They have no money and never will. Current if cash in boxes and bags will be stored. Banks are then subordinate to the center. Or does Kharkov have its own bank?
    2. Ptah
      Ptah 14 March 2014 08: 47
      +2
      Quote: Nagan
      So, while Kiev takes all the money from Kharkov, and then allocates as much as it wants, there really is no point in talking about any autonomy. First you need to ensure that at least part of the taxes remains in place, and only then start talking about autonomy.

      What are the dimensions of this PIECE? 99% is also a "part". In this case, there can be no question of any STATE.
      This is what the newly hatched "princelings" in all areas began to strive for. Mostly in the southwest. Often under the guise of "fighting the Westerners" but no one mind - NO ONE of them does not talk about CONSOLIDATIONS WITH NEIGHBORS. With the same Crimea ...
      So - everything goes according to a perverted plan. Tear Ukraine into separate areas, and then ...
      I don’t know what then ... Maybe they will pit each other, or immediately begin to bargain with those who will give more for the land ...
  9. Corsair
    Corsair 14 March 2014 07: 35
    +2
    The video is a bit old, but nonetheless: Crimeans, be vigilant !!![media = http: // http: //www.youtube.com/watch? feature = player_embedded & v = 9M_wZcSrNNA
    ]
  10. via75
    via75 14 March 2014 07: 35
    +1
    Let them even begin with this. In the case of talk of secession from Ukraine, he would be imprisoned.

    I.M .: The first and main question is about granting the Kharkov region the status of autonomy within Ukraine. That is the question of broad autonomy.
    Further life will show
    .
  11. svetlomor
    svetlomor 14 March 2014 07: 36
    +1
    But who will give them, first autonomy, then separation, not quite the same sheep in Kiev, though ...
  12. zveroboy61
    zveroboy61 14 March 2014 07: 37
    +1
    Morning, lousy mood, mess. There is no leader in the Donbass. And here is the thought: And what if we all
    ask for political asylum in eastern Ukraine, in Germany or for America’s jokes.
    There are all prerequisites for this, and linguistic oppression, and a fascist junta, and violence.
    How do you like this?
    1. Docent1984
      Docent1984 14 March 2014 07: 48
      +2
      It will be funny) Although to no avail) Now, if China has it, yes) But only here it will not turn on the rear
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    3. Corsair
      Corsair 14 March 2014 08: 12
      0
      Quote: zveroboy61
      There is no leader in the Donbass.

      The leader is in prison, they did not save him ... But Donetsk is "buzzing" even without him.
      I propose to watch the video (from 13.03.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX) of the Donetsk people’s reprisals against visiting guests.

      [media = http: // http: //www.youtube.com/watch? feature = player_embedded & v = iNqcwSwnybU
      ]

      PS: Sorry, for some reason the video is not "inserted", only a link turned out.
    4. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather 14 March 2014 08: 12
      +1
      Quote: zveroboy61
      ask for political asylum, in Germany or for Hochma from America.

      A great way to get NATO into the bargain with missile defense systems and break through the economy. There will be no weak awl of Russia inserted.
      1. zveroboy61
        zveroboy61 14 March 2014 08: 41
        0
        Yes, no one will consider it and will not, but the prident himself, that in the kingdom,
        something is wrong, fact.
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  13. Altona
    Altona 14 March 2014 07: 37
    +13
    I decided to repost some of the social networks ... Thoughts for Ukraine, so to speak ...
    ------------------------------
    Historical reference.
    Is this Ukraine occupied by Russians? And who is the invader ???

    Kharkiv
    - Russian city. It was founded in the 1630s. Fleeing from
    Poles from the right bank of the Dnieper Little Russians. Tsar Alexey Mikhailovich
    built a fortress there and founded the Kharkiv Voivodeship in 1656.
    And here is some kind of Ukraine?
    Sumy -
    founded by Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich no later than 1655. The king allowed
    settle there refugees Little Russians, who were killed by the Poles. Moreover
    is Ukraine here?
    Poltava
    was in the XVII century the center of pro-Russian minded Little Russia. For this
    traitor hetman Vygovsky (something like the current Klitschkov and Yatsenyuk)
    attacked the city and sold its inhabitants into slavery to the Crimean Tatars. Moreover
    is Ukraine here?
    Dnepropetrovsk - founded by Empress Catherine II in 1776 and was called Ekaterinoslav. And here is Ukraine?
    Lugansk -
    founded in 1795, when Empress Catherine II founded on the river
    Lugan iron foundry. To work on it in Lugansk came to live
    immigrants from the central and northwestern provinces of Russia. What does it have to do with
    Ukraine?
    Kherson -
    founded by Empress Catherine II in 1778 for construction
    Russian fleet. The construction was carried out by Potemkin. And here is Ukraine?
    Donetsk - was founded by Emperor Alexander II in 1869 during the construction of a metallurgical plant in Yuzovka. And here is Ukraine?
    Николаев -
    founded by Empress Catherine II in 1789. At this time, Potemkin
    built there the ship "St. Nicholas". What does Ukraine have to do with it?
    Odessa - founded by Empress Catherine II in 1794 on the site of a fortress built a little earlier by Suvorov. And here is Ukraine?
    Chernihiv
    - one of the oldest Russian cities, it existed at the beginning of 10
    century. In 1503, it became part of Russia. In 1611, his Poles
    destroyed and took this territory from the Russians. But in 1654 Chernihiv
    He returned to Russia and since then has always been an integral part of it.
    The question is: what does Ukraine have to do with it?
    Simferopol
    - founded by Catherine II in 1784. It was built by Potemkin on the spot.
    Suvorov military camp and near the Tatar settlement. What does it have to do with
    Ukraine, not a single scientist can say.
    Sevastopol
    - founded by Catherine II in 1783 on the site of a fortress built
    previously Suvorov. Built the city Potemkin. And here is Ukraine?
    Mariupol - was founded in 1778 by Catherine II. She settled there Greeks - immigrants from the Crimea. And here is Ukraine?
    Krivoy Rog -
    founded by Catherine II in 1775. And its industrial development, like
    metallurgy base - received in Soviet times. And here is Ukraine?
    Zaporozhye - founded by Catherine II in 1770 and was called Alexandrovsky. And here is Ukraine?
    Kirovograd was
    founded in 1754 by the Russian empress Elizabeth Petrovna, as
    fortress to protect the southern borders of the Russian Empire from the Tatars.
    It was called Elisavetgrad.
    And here is Ukraine?
    ------------------------
    But Kiev in general ... her mother ... Russian cities ...
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 14 March 2014 08: 55
      +2
      Voooot .....
      And Putin will be the last to follow if at least he doesn’t try to annex these areas to Russia.
      A unique chance to correct the mistakes of predecessors and show those who howl that Majdanek organized a "terrible Pu" to break up the "kicked up relative."
      Empires developed by the growth of territories and replenishment of the population at the expense of those who joined. If stagnation occurs, then the empire will go out and decompose.
      If Putin manages to collect the indicated areas under one leadership, he will stand in history on a par with Peter, Catherine, Alexander ...
  14. KOH
    KOH 14 March 2014 07: 38
    +3
    "Promise them everything, and we will hang them later ..." - the people in Ukraine have not forgotten this phrase?
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 14 March 2014 07: 44
      +1
      The Americans are doing the same to Ukraine now, they promise to throw it later, so it’s clear where the Bandera learned, well, naturally, they then cover up everything with stupid media in front of stupid people who still have not figured out what kind of media to believe.
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  15. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 14 March 2014 07: 43
    +1
    If it goes on such a grand scale, then I think that the southeast of Ukraine will be pulled towards Russia by the next Olympiad, and then Kiev. But it’s a pity to give western Ukraine for free, because the blood of our grandfathers has been shed for it a lot.
    1. scientist
      scientist 14 March 2014 09: 06
      +1
      Quote: sasha.28blaga
      give away western Ukraine for free

      Unfortunately, for a long time we did not pay attention to how the psychological treatment of the population in western Ukraine was carried out. For this and paid. A whole generation of Nazis managed to grow up! Now the main thing is not to allow serious weapons and resources to be in the hands of these scumbags. Otherwise, the next operation "Blitzkrieg" will begin.
      In the meantime, without the support of the population there is nothing to do there. The best option is isolation of western Ukraine, a change in the information field there and a gradual change in psychology.
      1. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 14 March 2014 13: 56
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        Quote: scientist
        The best option is isolation of western Ukraine, a change in the information field there and a gradual change in psychology.

        In other words, fence and forget! Amen!
  16. GRune
    GRune 14 March 2014 07: 50
    +6
    Naive Igor Evgenievich Massalov lives in a different reality, he sincerely believes that the armed zapadentsy maydaunas will allow Kharkov to manage honestly earned money fool
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 14 March 2014 08: 18
      +1
      Quote: GRune
      Naive Igor Evgenievich Massalov lives in a different reality, he sincerely believes that the armed zapadentsy maydaunas will allow Kharkov to manage honestly earned money

      "Naive Massalov" is not averse to "dispose of" money himself, well, at least a little bit, well, at least a little ...
  17. Neophyte
    Neophyte 14 March 2014 07: 51
    +1
    Frau Merkel pretends to be stupid that federalization does not fit Ukraine?
    It becomes obvious that the southeast does not want to live in Kiev,
    federalization of Ukraine is the only way out of the crisis.
    There is no question of any accession to Russia, and now Russia, in
    isolation conditions, this is useless. Later, of course, this question will arise
    before the population of the southeast, when the economic situation worsens, and this is inevitable. The only thing that is alarming is the entry of Ukraine into
    NATO. Acting authorities in Ukraine are capable of alienating everything, especially since they are not
    responsible for the situation in Ukraine.
    Ukrainian media are waging an information war and promise, after receiving
    loans from the IMF and the EU, a sweet life for every Ukrainian?
  18. parus2nik
    parus2nik 14 March 2014 07: 54
    +5
    Germany would be so worried about Yugoslavia as it is now for Ukraine ..
  19. ilya_82
    ilya_82 14 March 2014 07: 57
    +4
    Quote: chisya
    Here the people themselves are used to working with a federal structure, when the bulk of the money will remain in the region, if, as usual, it is not stolen ... let’s live better than many regions of Russia. After all, there is everything for this.

    in the year 91 they said the same thing, but what happened? life teaches nothing
    1. chisya
      chisya 14 March 2014 08: 00
      -1
      So you could. No luck with the leaders. Is it possible that all our people, having seized upon power, turn into scum?

      Let's just say that the hopes have not yet faded away that something will come of self-determination. After all, everyone perfectly sees that our country is not poor and that shadow flows more than our budget will probably ...
  20. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 14 March 2014 08: 15
    +3
    I read, I look ......
    One conclusion
    Everything is just beginning!
    Maidan and Crimea are still flowers!
    I just imagined that the South-Eastern regions will achieve autonomy, and extensive. Insist on financial and economic rights. And then what?
    Then the hungry banderlogs will begin to flood these areas, then defend their interests there and new Maidans will go.
    And one more trick: If the single and indivisible enters the European Union and begins to fulfill its obligations to them, and these are the dictated prices and supply volumes, the Autonomy will no longer be able to achieve full economic independence, namely the requirements that they are now setting. Then a wave of protests will go from their side - Autonomy! And this is the new Crimea! But with a more complex scenario.
    1. chisya
      chisya 14 March 2014 08: 20
      0
      Quote: Ruswolf
      If the single and non-divisible is included in the European Union


      Hoh ... in this case, all patriots will rush to the EU to earn money, or even permanent residence, and will be very worried about nenka. As strong as the same diaspora in Canada. Sometimes it seems that they worry about us there more than we do for ourselves laughing Protests are still a border on the castle, if, as promised by the visa-free regime, this whole crowd will move out of the country.
    2. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 14 March 2014 14: 13
      0
      Quote: chisya
      Hoh ... in this case, all patriots will rush to the EU to earn money, or even permanent residence, and will be very worried about nenka. As strong as the same diaspora in Canada. Sometimes it seems that we are more worried about us there than we are for ourselves. Protests are so far a border on the castle, if, as the visa-free regime is promised, the whole crowd will move out of the country.

      That's interesting, you yourself read what you write?
      That is, in your opinion, all this blood, dirt, betrayal ... in order to rush to the EU to earn money? Do you really believe?
      I’ll have to disappoint you. I saw the ban program .. oh, yes, I'm sorry for the adherents of S. Bandera (so it goes?)? It’s written in that program that they are gentlemen, and you are a serf! You can only deserve your right to life with one hit hard work!
      So that you go to earn money, and give the earned denyushki to them!
      Ah, you dream, dream of a well-fed and free from all life!
      I almost forgot! Shale gas production is called environmental terrorism, look at YouTube! And YOUR government has already agreed to its production!
      Interesting truth? Do you still think that you live in your own country?
      1. chisya
        chisya 14 March 2014 14: 59
        -1
        Probably I just take it lightly because I have somewhere to go with a complete mess. As for people who do not have such an opportunity ... you are probably right. It's just that there are not so many "them" and it is hard to believe that they can do something. Moreover, they want to steer everything themselves, and this does not suit almost everyone from above. I think if they become very impudent, they will merge them right there. So don't exaggerate their capabilities. So far, they are profitable.

        But if in general, then the people have too much disappointment to believe someone. Too many times deceived. And the candidate seemed to be pro-Russian and all that. Therefore, many have the feeling that they are on their own and there is no one to rely on. Hence the indecision and self-doubt. For very often our people were gagged and forced to fear. What can not be said about the western.
        1. nahalenok911
          nahalenok911 15 March 2014 07: 03
          0
          Chisya, to argue with you - do not respect yourself ..
  21. AlexA
    AlexA 14 March 2014 08: 35
    0
    Quote: chisya
    The country has not divided so openly along the Dnieper for a long time, I would say that the "orange" moods have long stepped over the Dnieper in the direction of Russia. And further it will be even worse in this regard, because the population of even the east is difficult to predict. The same Kharkov 50/50.

    Quote: Riperbahn
    Yes, no one wants. They want only one thing - so that Russia protects them from Bandera and ensures a quiet and comfortable life. And then - nafik! The Moor has done his job - the Moor can return to places of permanent deployment - we can live without it!

    I would like to draw the attention of forum users to a comparison of these two statements. It seems that they most adequately express the state of the issue.
    It is time for us here in Russia to moderate our ardor over "Slavic solidarity." She's gone. And the interlocutor from Kharkov convincingly shows this. Nobody is eager to go to Russia there. This is their choice. The Lord did not take the will of anyone.
    But here we have nothing to tear the ass to "make happy". There, in / in Ukraine, people will figure it out themselves. Chat, adults.
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 14 March 2014 08: 56
      0
      Agree with you!
      Every city, region in itself!
      Each has his own requirements! To whom bread, and to whom butter! And spit on each other!
      If this continues, Eastern Ukraine will have no future! All will be driven into their burrows and sometimes they will throw bones!
      If you would like to fix something, we would create a single committee of the South-Eastern Territories, work out a single concession and put forward a single demand! Then they would be considered. And Russia would know how to help!
      And the spread of opinions and indifference is already indicated by the fact that everyone wants to become autonomous with their economy! And no matter who is in power in Kiev!
      By the way, this is the support of Jacek and his gang!
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    3. KOH
      KOH 14 March 2014 08: 59
      0
      Therefore, no one is going there, Crimea has decided to help, and they have a "ferment of mind" still, of course let them choose ...
  22. scientist
    scientist 14 March 2014 08: 55
    +1
    Unfortunately, the Bandera authorities in Kiev did not agree to postpone the election. She does not care whether the state is ready or not. All who they need will vote, the rest may not even be allowed to go to the polls, there will be someone to drop ballots for them. These criminals who have committed a military coup urgently need to be legalized, and this is possible only through elections. After all, every day the opinion of thousands of Ukrainians about the new government in Kiev is getting worse. If they reach the fall, they will be swept away and the elections will not help.
  23. ilya_82
    ilya_82 14 March 2014 08: 59
    0
    Yes, Little Russians have always been dissatisfied with something, then we eat them fat, then we rot their independence. Therefore, in the Crimea, referendums and the real movement, but in the East of Ukraine do not understand that. Putin correctly posed the question: only if there is an ethnocide, then we will introduce troops. And before that, there will be some for joining, others for federalization.
  24. AlexA
    AlexA 14 March 2014 09: 03
    0
    Quote: chisya
    But to call everyone who speaks Ukrainian Bandera and fascists, you know, it’s even somehow offensive.

    Quote: CON
    "Promise them everything, and we will hang them later ..." - the people in Ukraine have not forgotten this phrase?

    Nobody forgot anything. They there in Kharkov do not want to perceive this phrase at all. It is believed that this is fiction of the Russian media.
    How to perceive what is the right of the inhabitants of Ukraine. Chat, adults.
    Blessed is he who believes. (Matthew, Sermon on the Mount)
  25. saag
    saag 14 March 2014 09: 06
    +1
    Quote: ilya_82
    and in the east of Ukraine do not understand what

    Give Odessa a free city !!! :-)
  26. Native grandfather
    Native grandfather 14 March 2014 09: 12
    +2
    Gentlemen of Kharkov, here you have such an "oil painting" turns out. Two people play in the same sandbox. One is quiet, the other is badass. Then the quiet man runs home and complains to his older brother: "And he offends me, took all the toys and sprinkles with sand!" The elder brother calmly walks out into the yard, rolls up his sleeves: "Well, little brother, look. Now I'll deal with him." But the younger brother suddenly grabs the older one by the sleeve and says: "Don't. I want to continue playing with him in this sandbox. He promised to return all the toys to me."
    Well, what can you say to do here?
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 14 March 2014 10: 25
      +1
      Native grandfather
      Well, what can you say to do here?


      San Sanych!
      Nothing to do!
      Here high slogans about SELF-DETERMINATION and the will of the people begin!
      Everyone gets what he wants!
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  27. Ribwort
    Ribwort 14 March 2014 10: 33
    +1
    Quote: "All the southeastern regions are now demanding only one thing - to hold a referendum on increasing the status of the region. Nobody is talking about secession from Ukraine."
    I will clarify: "YET they don't talk about it." Does anyone seriously believe that Kiev, headed by the current authorities, will leave the east and southeast alone? You are lousy politicians if you hope so.
    1. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 14 March 2014 14: 44
      +1
      Quote: Ribwort
      I will clarify: "YET they don't talk about it." Does anyone seriously believe that Kiev, headed by the current authorities, will leave the east and southeast alone? You are lousy politicians if you hope so.

      Anatoly! The question is not addressed! I'm trying to convey this idea to chisya, but where there!
      I already wrote about this, not everyone will like it, but I repeat:
      People because of which we are arguing and sputtering here, are ready and are preparing to sacrifice a lot of inertness, and do not want to defend ourselves, are nonsense about federalization, special statuses, or here:
      Quote: Elle-elle
      We also don't like half measures. Perhaps this is just the beginning? ..

      Helen, you’re absolutely right! You will scratch your turnips, look around, taste all the delights of BANDERALIZATION of the whole country, and in the meantime, we will keep the troops in readiness No. 1, that would be all at once!
      No respected Elle-elle UA and chisya (1) SU, only the horse that drags it on your nose can be chopped off! Either now or never!
      If we confine ourselves to Crimea and let it go by chance, then believe me that after a while your cries for help in Russia will not be heard!
  28. Elle-elle
    Elle-elle 14 March 2014 11: 04
    0
    Quote: Riperbahn
    Adherents. Granting the status of autonomy within Ukraine. Why then raise the flags of Russia? Like, Russia will help us stay in Uraina? The eternal Ukrainian manner - no matter how it happened, let's see who wins and join. My hut is on the edge.



    We also don't like half measures. Perhaps this is just the beginning? ..
  29. Dim1
    Dim1 14 March 2014 11: 08
    0
    [quote = chisya] So you could. No luck with the leaders. Is it possible that all our people, having seized upon power, turn into scum?

    Let's just say that the hopes have not yet faded away that something will come of self-determination. After all, everyone perfectly sees that our country is not poor and that there will probably be shady flows more than our budget ... [/ quote

    Not "bad luck" with the leaders. Simply greed and venality are a genetic trait of the so-called Ukrainian "elite". Ukraine lost the real elite back in the Middle Ages, when the lines of the local Rurikovich ended. And then there was an outflow of the elite to Krakow, Warsaw, then to Moscow and St. Petersburg. The losers remained in place. IMHO.
  30. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 14 March 2014 11: 29
    +1
    Quote: Ribwort
    Quote: "All the southeastern regions are now demanding only one thing - to hold a referendum on increasing the status of the region. Nobody is talking about secession from Ukraine."
    I will clarify: "YET they don't talk about it." Does anyone seriously believe that Kiev, headed by the current authorities, will leave the east and southeast alone? You are lousy politicians if you hope so.

    Do not really Eastern Ukraine does not understand that their strength is only in unity! They will achieve autonomy - they will tear them all individually and will not have time to sneeze! Kiev only needs this, so that everyone is for himself!
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort 14 March 2014 15: 28
      0
      Quote: Ruswolf
      They will achieve autonomy - they will tear them all individually and will not have time to sneeze!

      They will not tear on their own. Since it is the southeast that is inert, and the Westerners are by no means "one by one".
      And they won’t achieve it. And if they achieve it, then purely formal autonomy, as before for the Crimea. That is, no.
      Quote: Ruswolf
      their strength is only in unity!

      I’ll clarify: in unity with Russia.
  31. Cynic
    Cynic 14 March 2014 16: 57
    0
    we are holding a referendum on increasing the status of the region.

    Naive or kind of like that?