State - spacesuit

Today, when nothing besides robbery happens in Ukraine, it's time to talk a little about the significance of the state per se (as such).

It is often possible to hear from commoners in general a common, mean-spirited formula: "I love my country / my people / my homeland, but I hate this damned state."

Sounds beautiful. In words. But if you bring the idea to its logical conclusion - you get the destruction of the hated, is not it?

What causes the collapse of even the bad, the weak, broken by corruption or hypocrisy of state foundations? The generation of Perestroika Witnesses remembers how it happens.

Younger Ukraine re-shows the show right now.

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The state is not power. The state is a life support system, the structure, the basis and the environment in which we all live. We ourselves create our own state - day after day, following certain rules. The state is us.

(By the way, this is why the nationalists' reasoning about the oppression of Russians by the Russian “punitive apparatus” is so ridiculous. Hallo, comrades, the punitive apparatus, like everything else in Russia, consists of Russians on average 77%, not counting individual specific republics. And where it is so, comrades nationalists, find a job more actively in the police, show the Chechens a class).

The only sphere in which the state “plays against the citizens” is its punitive function. However, it is necessary for protection. Ordinary citizens rather quickly become disillusioned with freedom, when the prerogative of violence is socialized, and it starts to create anyone. We will not remember Bunin's “Cursed Days” or “Dozens of knives in the back of the Revolution” by Averchenko - let’s give a clearer example:

"I am ashamed. We taught these people. We gave them examples which, in our opinion, should have awakened only good things in their souls. You are right to say that everything “reasonable, good and eternal” sows the Internet. Why then we? We still have to set something apart by our example. Otherwise we are really not needed.
I hear constantly the roar of the monster that we have created and raised. ”
This man - he was a music teacher and lived on Institutskaya Street, not far from Maidan - no longer hears the roar of the monster, which he had long fed with beautiful words from a spoon.

8 March he died. He was severely beaten at his own entrance in the center of Kiev. Not for politics - just trying to rob.

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The point is not even violence.

In our latitudes and with our neighbors on the planet, the State is the spacesuit of the nation. Without it, both the Motherland and its population are defenseless.

When the USSR driving servo-skeleton met in the course of the race on the carriages in 80, the defensive blocks dragged all the resources and collapsed. Then, the internal shell of the power shell was corroded by the caustic wind of change tuning.

The suit burst. Hateful state collapsed.

Result? In a society devoid of the suit, such a moral atmosphere was established that many in it suffocated to death.

Its impact was monstrously poisonous: they began to kill on the streets for a fur hat, unknown applications were found for the hitherto unknown, children's homes sold orphans, the population drank black, gangsters shared oil and aluminum. 10 years in “Country-without-State” rumbled lawlessness: yesterday's builders of communism, who were seriously arguing in the newspapers about the quality of poems and the prospects for space exploration, raped, stole, exchanged whole cities, organized wars and ethnic cleansing. Entire regions fell away from civilization and plunged into the Middle Ages.

A quarter of a century has almost passed, and we are all raking the consequences of this cosmic catastrophe. Yes, we patched holes in the casing, through which stinking evil again blows: from gay propaganda, and to youth fashion to take pictures of myself in the mirror on the iPhone, not doing anything else in life.

The state is the spacesuit of the nation. Without it, she gasps. Mutates from cosmic rays. Turns into a dangerous and vile rabble.

Meeting another lover of high-sounding wording, say so to him:

- Hate the only space suit of your beloved Motherland? Are you craving for all of us freedom in a vacuum? Do you see this as a big problem? Yes you, brother, just a fool. Get away from the complex technology, and stop carrying evil folly.

Comments

[svp67]

For me, the State is more like a SKELETON - it exists and the nations around it "grow", it is not there or it is weak - and the "muscle mass" is devoid of support ...

[jjj]

The correct phrase: "The state is us!"

[GDP]

The correct phrase: "The state is us!"

Well, I completely disagree with this ...
You go to say that in 90, an intelligent, well-mannered people, took off their skins and turned into a bandit and a speculator?
I would say so - the people, government and elite have a strong influence on each other. If they hear each other, then this is a strong state, and if not, then the state begins to die ...
In the USSR, they all understood this very well, therefore there were trade unions, party cells, the Komsomol, the pioneers, and the idea — in fact, they played the role of cement that held together our entire state.

As soon as the gap between the elite and the people formed, as soon as the elite began to form its own world, the state began to crack apart, and the corrupt government that grew up in this pseudo elite finally finished off our state.

Now the people, first of all on the ground, have no real levers of pressure on the authorities in their city, in their village, in their factory, and this is a very dangerous situation ...

It is necessary to strengthen the vertical of power in our state, but not the government, but the national one, and this must be done at the state level. When all three forces are united, they begin to think in the same vein to live by common values, then we will rejoice as a great state.

[neri73-r]

I would say so - the people, government and elite have a strong influence on each other. If they hear each other, then this is a strong state, and if not, then the state begins to die ...

As soon as the gap between the elite and the people formed, as soon as the elite began to form its own world, the state began to crack apart, and the corrupt government that grew up in this pseudo elite finally finished off our state.

Dear, this is called network war! Or a 6th generation war. Under the editorship of the head of Russian Railways, Yakunin, there is a book called I forgot, there it is all described and available. In a network war (if simple) the enemy is trying to break the ties (bonds) of the state along the lines of: society (people) - power; army - power - people; law enforcement agencies - society; religion is a people; business people, etc. For this purpose, for example, a photo with the Patriarch’s watch appears, for this purpose all, without exception, officials are called and labeled crooks and thieves, for this purpose the general of the army and special services are harassed, law enforcement agencies are called punitive, from here it’s enough to feed the Caucasus and that’s like that. For this purpose, we are being deprived of education so that we cannot see how they are breaking and destroying us! And they want to do this with our own hands without sending troops! There is a war for the minds! You don’t have to give in, you need to think and help your state, I’m not ashamed of President Putin, I see changes taking place, not all at once, not all quickly, but they are coming! I hope to see the result during my life!

[Borus017]

Well, well.
If the director of the plant hogged production, the chief engineer dismantled half of the machines, workers thump, and bookkeeping lives its own life, scrolling money into its pockets through the plant’s accounts, and the only newly-launched workshop collects completely non-core products from foreign parts, which is resold in turn through one-day deputy firms .directors - such a director is REMOVED FROM WORK.

Information war? So the essence of the information war is that the authorities and officials - who have stained themselves - are working against their country in the interests of covering their own crimes. It was then that information warfare is most effective. And people see. And the clock, and the Chrysler at the church, and officials, and the mess, and the powerlessness and formalism of the police, and everything else.
What country is fundamentally different from the above plant? Wait for the result. During your lifetime you will see it.

[Metlik]

Quote: svp67

For me, the State is more like a SKELETON - it exists and the nations around it "grow"

Excessive custody makes the body weaker. Give people a foothold and opportunity for growth.

[222222]

... TYATI (Turchinov, Yatsenyuk, Tyagnibok and Co.) ....
"And the Maidan is unfolding. Now it is unfolding against the current government, and if in the coming days TYAT (Turchynov, Yatsenyuk, Tyagnibok and Co.) are unable to offer and begin to carry out what the Maidan instructed them, agreeing to form their government, then TYAT will follow Yanukovych . Only to the West. "

[Sour]

Quote: 222222

will not be able to offer and begin to fulfill what Maidan instructed them,

And what did he instruct them?
"Down with Yanukovych"? This is done.
"Give me a turn to the west"? Also fulfilled.
Figo Motzcalam? And then everything is in order.
And Maidan did not charge anything else.
Social requirements there were not primary, but secondary. The main issue was foreign policy choice. It is finally done.
Therefore, do not expect the popular anger that this regime will sweep away. He will not be.

[Canep]

Quote: Sour

Therefore, do not expect the popular anger that this regime will sweep away. He will not be.

When there is nothing to eat, to sow nothing and nothing, the people will sweep away any government, and vice versa if there is something, there is work, then the most unthinkable dictators could calmly do their work, Hitler and Pinochet are vivid examples of this.

[Sour]

Quote: Canep

When there is nothing to eat, to sow nothing and nothing, the people will sweep away any government,

You are mistaken. And you are very mistaken.
The people will sweep away everything if there is anyone to raise it to the fight. And if there is nobody, then the people will simply die out or scatter. This process has been going on in Ukraine for a long time. And it will accelerate. There will be pensioners, small children (of which there are fewer), and hired bandits. But they will not make a revolution.
I will add that there are many countries where there is nothing to eat. And there are no revolutions there. But they often occur in countries where people lived quite satisfying (Libya, Syria, Yugoslavia, etc.)

[avt]

Quote: Sour

The people will sweep away everything if there is anyone to raise it to the fight.

Absolutely right ! What we see in the East in Kharkov, Donbass and Lugansk, as well as how this protest is merging Dopa and Hepa. Well, what prevented the same deputies of regional councils, following the example of the Crimea, from adopting resolutions and resolutions corresponding to the aspirations of the people !? So no! In Kharkiv, the deputies of the Kharkiv residents BETRAYED and at the meeting they officially accepted the protege of the Kiev gang! How Dopa and Gepa want to sit out under house arrest, and then, like a devil, jump out of a snuffbox ??? They say they suffered from the regime, they are ready to build a new life for you. JUDAH !!!

Quote: Sour

And if there is nobody, then the people will simply die out or scatter. This process has been going on in Ukraine for a long time.

Hike, some people in Ukraine really think that the Somalia version is not written about them. But this is exactly what awaits the project "Ukraine 1991", if they do not self-organize and thereby give rise to the GDP to intervene in the situation. In general, if events continue to develop like this, then for the inhabitants of the territory of the project "Ukraine 1991" the worst, at least some semblance of "statehood" will be. But if the Nazi guards are armed, it is definitely a Somali version.

[Sour]

Quote: avt

What we see in the East in Kharkov, Donbas and Lugansk

I fully admit that in the event of the collapse of Ukraine in Kharkov, Donetsk and Lugansk, pro-Russian forces may prevail. But I do not believe in their victory throughout Ukraine. And not only in the west, but also in the Poltava region, for example. The success of pro-Russian forces will be local, and in the event of a complete collapse of the regime.

[macabrekill]

They are preparing a place for their boss, a "holy" woman, a "martyr" of totalitarianism. They will work out the show and jerk with the grandmas. But it also has its own role (and the British passport obliges) to finally surrender the country to the West and launch NATO. It makes no difference for what reason, perhaps even to clean up the OUN UPA Tyagniboka, after they did a massacre here.

[werewolf]

Yatsenyuk .... Take care of the hand of the canopy! SUITABLE ... SOON MATRESSES DOLARS will roll away! MAY BE

[W1950]

That's right. It is necessary to filter the information so that it does not work out like in the USSR, when thanks to Gorbachev the country went to pieces, and then Yeltsin, Kuchma and Shushkevich appeared. The result of their "fruitful" activities we still hiccup

[Siberian19]

Ukraine what part of our skeleton is interesting! in my ass kaka yato! And before, when it used to be a heart!

[TEODOR]

Strongly said +

[engineer74]

Put a plus, I don’t know why, probably for metaphors ...
Before everything that is stated in the article, every normal person comes independently, by the age of 12-14. And if you didn’t get it, then go to the doctor or to the Maidan (Bolotnaya, Tahrir, Zeleny).
IMHO

[from punk]

Quote: engineer74

Before everything that is stated in the article, every normal person

here, as in the song, where does the motherland begin ... before, on each cover was

[Sour]

The state is not power. The state is a life support system, the structure, the basis and the environment in which we all live. We ourselves create our own state - day after day, following certain rules. The state is us.

The author dumped everything in a heap.
Not enough elementary literacy. Something somewhere picked up, and nothing more.
"Life support system" is economics and infrastructure, not a state.
"Styling" is laws and traditions, not a state. Although the laws are related to the state.
"The environment in which we all live" is country, not a state.
But "power" has the most direct relation to the state. The state is precisely a system of public (and sometimes shadow) power, and other things should not be confused with the state.
I only agree that "the state is us". What kind of people, such a state, does not exist otherwise. There has never been and never will be such that an honest people had a corrupt government. Etc.

[Very old]

Alas, Sour, the site is open to all. And for ....... AUTHORS

[vadson]

article minus, a lot depends on people, but in the nineties we were specifically broken down to the west. the state has eliminated itself. only as they say commodity-money relations. the people were not ready therefore and there was such a mess, plus the corrupting influence of the West.
I categorically disagree with the author’s first phrase, I love the people I love the state. the USSR was socially oriented, people really cared about. and now people are stupidly the electorate.

[Kuvabatake]

As grandfather Müller said: "The more freedom a person has, the more he wants SS."

[ZU-23]

Yes, the State should be legal and point, but it won’t go far in the hair dryer, chaos will be inevitable, it will be like in Block A Block B American fiction action movies, because crime is good young and dumb, and when you get old and get crazy unless of course it is given to someone then you’re already looking to live quietly, you’re already reluctant to swing some ideas on the arrows, it’s easier to really turn in the criminal’s cops, the cops of which you basically keep for this, you’ll look and this one will not cause harm to another, but in prison you don’t have to treat them how to seated a ka to people who came to re-education, who do not want to be re-educated, they should be in prison with the same lessons, here they let each other. So Ukraine is right now in our spacesuit, and the brain is in the cryochamber compartment.

[Chifka]

Maidan instructed the TYATs much more than a U-turn. The main goal of the Maydan people is legalization, exit from the underground. For this, it is necessary not only to enter power, but also to legitimize. Now the banderlogs have come to power through their leaders, but with legitimization, they are extremely shameful because of the unexpected support of the Crimea, the citizens supporting Russia, and the extremely tough and firm position of Russia itself.
And the world is beginning to understand who the current "government" is trying to make heroes and to whom to give real control on the ground.
Therefore, the tasks of the Maidan remain unfulfilled. A conflict is coming between banderlogs and those whom they entrusted to defend their interests in power.

[Sour]

Quote: Chifka

A conflict is coming between banderlogs and those whom they entrusted to defend their interests in power.

That is between the Nazis and the Nazis.
I do not see a significant difference between Yatsenyuk and Yarosh. Their goals are common. And there is no difference in methods, there is only a separation of functions within the framework of a common cause.
Of course, they will bite a hundred times. But that will not change anything. The Ukrainian people are infected with Nazi ideology, and sometimes people themselves do not realize this. It has already become so natural for them to hate Russia that they consider it normal to breathe or move. Any conflict in Ukraine over the redistribution of power will not change anything for Russia. The Russophobic government will still be in power, which in its hatred of Russia will be much cooler than any America and Europe.

[individual]

The state should be a combined team of like-minded peoples united by a single goal.
In practice, it turns out, everyone pulls a blanket over himself.
Moreover, the "fifth column" lives freely in the country, pulling this blanket over the hillock with decent dividends for it.
When a critical mass of them gathers, these dividends are converted into "orange revolutions".
In 2004, Ukraine went through the “Orange Revolution,” which brought Viktor Yushchenko to the post of president of the opposition and Western protege.
In 2014, the same Maidan confrontation, but with the loss of territories and the question of the very existence of Ukraine.

[Boris55]

"The state is the apparatus of violence of the minority over the majority." - K. Marx.

The state form of government by people was invented for the exploitation of man by man.
The exploitative pyramid of power is based on the lack of information about the governance of a significant part of the population. That is why some smart-ass and rich managers in Ukraine (and not only) have been replaced by the same smart-ass and rich. The people do not have knowledge of social management. This knowledge is kept secret. Due to the lack of knowledge about government, it is easy to manipulate the people from outside and with their help to overthrow the "unwanted" government ...

The author defends the state principle of building a society, building a machine for operation.
The author does not see an alternative - either to live in a stall or chaos and the end of the world.

There is another way - to give the entire knowledge to the people. Literate people will not be able to manipulate, exploit, incite to revolution for the sake of a false idea ... this also leads to the collapse of the entire exploiter system ...

What to do: http://www.kpe.ru/partiya/programma/3622-programm
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[Sour]

Quote: Boris55

There is another way - to give the entire knowledge to the people

Oh well...
1) Nowadays almost anyone has access to education. It would be desire and ability.
2) You cannot make an educated person. Again, you need his desire and ability.
3) If a dumb drunk breaking a shop window or overturning an urn does not have the proper level of education and culture, then no one except her is to blame. And this drunk is also a people. And she has access to education and upbringing. No K. Marx will be able to make a man out of bipedal cattle.

[Boris55]

Quote: Sour

And she has access to education and upbringing. No K. Marx will be able to make a man out of bipedal cattle.

They are not born cattle - they become.
According to the law of normal distribution 5-10% "de'bily" and 5-10% "genius". The rest 90-80% are normal.
The current education makes de'bil out of normal. He does everything to make as many students as possible hate school by the time of graduation, drink and smoke ... The school absolutely does not give any knowledge about governance in society ...

[Sour]

I will say two things.
First of all, people were and will be different. They are born or become - it's for me on the drum. But asocial elements have been and will always be. And to protect the normal members of society from moral monsters is one of the tasks of the state.
Secondly, your theories only sound beautiful. But in fact, for the sake of their implementation, it will be necessary to kill hundreds of thousands of people, and even millions. All beautifully sounding social theories actually smell like dirt and blood. And their supporters will kill normal people, as always has been. Because they will have to adjust life to their patterns, and without terror this is impossible.
The state does not exist in order to turn earthly life into paradise, but in order to prevent it from finally turning into hell "(N.A. Berdyaev)
I respect him far more than your Karl Marl.

[Boris55]

Quote: Sour

your theories only sound beautiful. But in fact, for the sake of their implementation, it will be necessary to kill hundreds of thousands of people, and even millions

You are completely unfamiliar with the Public Safety Concept.

[oblako]

The article is honest. It also jars when they divide the state and the country, the Motherland. But experiments with the state structure must be carried out carefully, evolutionarily ... People with one mentality cannot suddenly, and immediately, start living in a different state - not all will survive ... But I do not agree so.) And not only me. And in this sense, the phrase: "the state is us" is absolutely fair. We must admit and understand that one person or comrades by convictions need to change their mentality at one time. The country's population needs to change its mentality - much more time is needed - this is an objective reality. Otherwise, a confrontation and a destructive revolution or a special operation like "Maidan", or counter-revolution and other phenomena in this style ... The whole question is where to move? Where is that ghost that walked around Europe and led everyone to progress ..) I’m about the idea of ​​an equal attractive communist at one time ... And note, it was not national, it’s been about an idea for all mankind for a long time ... The national idea is only worked well in Israel)))

[siberalt]

"The suit has burst. The hated state has burst" ... "The state is not the authorities."
Something in these places I did not understand the author's message. It is clear that this is about the "servo skeleton of the USSR".
Well, like that: more than 80% of Soviet citizens voted for the preservation of the "hated state" (following the results of the referendum). And on his "servo-skeleton" almost the entire economy in the post-Soviet space is still supported.
If the author wants to know what a state is, then let him familiarize himself with the works of Lenin. Only he has 7 concepts of the state, including: the state is We. But I am meeting for the first time about any sign of the state in the form of its infrastructure and housing and communal services, as an entity. Apparently the author confuses the essence and content of the concept of the state with the results of its activities. And even more so to give out the only sign of the state's activity "punitive function" is something from dense ignorance.

[frame5]

Meeting another lover of high-sounding wording, say so to him:

- Do you hate the only spacesuit of your beloved Motherland? Do you long for freedom for all of us in a vacuum? Don't you see this as a big problem? Yes you, brother, are simple. Get away from complicated technology and stop carrying evil nonsense.

And then violently cross him, this Basurman, and write an anonymous letter on him! And at the same time, explain the subtle difference between the spacesuit-motherland and the isolation-homeland, as well as the need for censorship, universal surveillance, Internet restrictions, suppression of media and systematic state propaganda in the ears for a pair with the king-father. Well, at the same time, it would be nice to clarify whether the author confuses patriotism and slavery. Because the trend is quite clear on this site. Approve - a patriot. He dared to doubt something - a liberalist and a Russophobe. Well, or an agent of the State Department at worst.

[Alexandr0id]

in our Murmansk region, for example, the right to private property is already de facto not valid. in the interests of the state.
personally for me such a suit in a good dry cleaning time to pass.

[clidon]

The author is right, of course the state is a spacesuit, and the alternative to it is anarchy, which has not yet shown its viability in practice for a little bit of society. However, on the other hand, it turns out that any spacesuit-state must be tolerated regardless of how people live in it - is it inconvenient, bad? It is your fault, you did not bend enough in that place of the "spacesuit". You are solely to blame for everything ... And then the question arises, and the "goskafandr" itself is not people? Not way of life, connections, system of social values? Is she on her own? The fact of the matter is that in a normal society there is precisely a symbiosis-interaction of a spacesuit and an astronaut, and not submission to his brainless, in general, a protective shell.

[Borus017]

DEFECTIVE SUIT - REPRESSING THE CREW COMMANDER!
I minus the article - and here's why:
in the streets they started killing for a fur hat, soldering irons and irons were found hitherto unknown applications, orphanages were sold orphans, the population drank black, bandits shared oil and aluminum. - Now it’s not better in places, they just keep silent about it. But there are statistics of violent crimes. And she scares a little. And the oligarchs, as they stood OVER the law, still stand.
Do you hate the only spacesuit of your beloved Motherland?
Question and for whom is this spacesuit? Who exactly sits in it? I’m here - if I’m sitting in this spacesuit, then in some kind of undersized compartment of it.
I eat and it’s warm in my apartment? - so I work - with my hands - and get the money. And in the evenings I also work - with my hands - and this makes me warm and full. But this is a limit that has no development prospects. Those. I successfully survive. The suit here does not help me in any way. For even in the civil war people wanted to eat regularly, they preferred traveling by cars and trains, but they did not cancel telephone and telegraph communications.
Does someone protect me? Yes, a poliseysky for me, almost usedоa greater threat than half-drunk in the gateway - I’ll knock freaks on turnips, but the Poliseysky will arrange a trial for me, as a result of which I will be guilty (I have quite reliable information - a lot). Medical care? Don’t tell my slippers - something is happening with medicine now ... uh incomprehensible... Education? - there are serious doubts that the current "European" teaching methods and educational programs, creatively rethought by local officials, will lead to something other than "generating monkeys."
The state acts in the interests of citizens - majority or minority - long-term interests or momentary "want!" Depending on this, and my attitude towards him.