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Ukrainian fleet is forced to seek a new place of deployment

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Ukrainian fleet is forced to seek a new place of deploymentUkraine has lost at least half the payroll of its Navy, according to the Crimea. In addition, the first, so far officially refuted reports appeared that the Ukrainian navy was being relocated to Odessa. However, experts say the new Ukrainian base fleet may end up in a completely different city.


On Wednesday, a source in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine told Interfax that the naval base in Odessa in April will be the main one for the Ukrainian Navy. This decision was allegedly already made, and the sailors, "who remained loyal to the oath", after leaving the Crimea, will continue to serve in Odessa. According to representatives of the department, the seaport of Odessa has the necessary infrastructure for basing the Navy. In addition, in the fall, on the basis of the Odessa National Maritime Academy, it is planned to open a naval faculty to prepare future personnel for the Navy.

The fact that the main base of the Ukrainian Navy can be transferred to Odessa, the newspaper "Duma" was previously told by Rear Admiral Dmitry Ukrainets. According to him, the city has a suitable infrastructure. In addition, individual ships and units can be deployed in the city of Ochakovo (the Ukrainian fleet is also based in Izmail, Donuzlav, Balaklava, Chernomorsk, Novoozernoye, Nikolaev, Evpatoria and Feodosia).

“They (the Black Sea Fleet of Russia) are blocking our ships at the Sevastopol and Southern bases, starving the teams, clearly setting themselves the task of depriving the country of naval forces. But we have no other ships! The option to break through with the battle has already disappeared - this is suicide. Negotiations remain, a weighty argument in which Ukraine’s entry into NATO may be the soonest possible, ”said Ukrainian.

Located on the northwestern coast of the Black Sea, in the southwestern part of the Gulf of Odessa, the seaport is considered one of the largest passenger terminals in Europe (the third in terms of cargo turnover on the Black Sea). NATO warships made friendly visits to the port several times.

Now in the roads of Odessa is the flagship of the Ukrainian Navy - the frigate "Hetman Sagaidachny." In addition, against the background of recent events, 12 ships and boats of the Yalta and Sevastopol naval guard detachments were redeployed there. In turn, the Kerch group of ships was redeployed to the city of Berdyansk, and the ships Slavutych and Ternopil continue to be in the bay of Sevastopol. The headquarters of the Navy was blocked by the self-defense units of the Crimea.

The Ukrainian Navy was formed in 1992 on the basis of the forces of the Black Sea Fleet. Today they number about 14 thousand people. They include more than 17 warships and about 20 support vessels and boats, about 30 planes and helicopters, about 40 tanks, more than 90 infantry fighting vehicles, about 190 armored personnel carriers and more than 60 artillery systems and mortars.

Responsibilities of the commander of the Ukrainian Navy are performed by Rear Admiral Sergei Haiduk. He replaced on this post Denis Berezovsky, who in early March, swore allegiance to the Crimean people.

Meanwhile, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine denied reports of plans for a base in Odessa. “For the first time in the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine they hear about it. There is no such decision, such an issue has not been raised or discussed, ”reports Correspondent with reference to the comment of the Acting Head of the Press and Information Department of the Defense Ministry Bogdan Senik.

In 1940, a naval base was established in Odessa (it was a deterrent in disrupting the German offensive and preventing invasion from the sea). In 1960, it was disbanded. In January last year, it was reported on the establishment in Odessa of the management of the division of river ships of the Navy and plans to deploy in the Practical Harbor of the Western Naval Base of the Navy a division of river ships of the Navy. At the same time, it was emphasized that such a division would become a unique part: there used to be no river forces in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it will be designed to serve on border rivers, lakes, estuaries, as well as external raids and coastal waters.

Last year, it was reported about plans to introduce into its structure the first two armored artillery boats of the Gyurza-M project, laid down in October 2012 at the Leninskaya Kuznitsa plant in Kiev, and begin training crews. And in 2014, the military planned to complete the formation of the division. In 2013, measures were taken at the Western Naval Base to fully supply the riverboat division with uniforms, food and cash.

Director of the Ukrainian Institute for Political Analysis and International Studies Sergey Tolstov doubts that the Odessa Naval Base will receive the status of the main one. “There were no preliminary decisions related to this. Therefore, it’s difficult to talk about how Odessa base can become an alternative, ”Tolstov told VIEW.

At the same time, he believes that in terms of infrastructure, the base in Nikolaev is the most ideal, “where there are any facilities that correspond to what is in the Crimea”. We will remind, Nikolaev first of all was famous for shipbuilding (now it is the Black Sea shipbuilding plant, Plant of a name of 61 of the communard and Okean plant).

However, Tolstov is sure that, as such, there is no need to transfer the fleet to a new location. “If the law does not work, then everything is possible. If the law is valid, the ships of the Ukrainian Navy in Balaclava and the Bay of Sevastopol are Ukrainian property. That is, they must either be captured, which will be an act of war, or shot down. As I understand, the personnel of the ships of Ukraine is not going to raise the white flag and does not conduct official negotiations on transferring them into the ownership of any other state entity, ”the expert believes.

Note that on Tuesday, the Prime Minister of Crimea Sergey Aksenov announced his intention to nationalize the fleet of the Ukrainian Navy. “We are not going to release their ships anywhere. We have closed the exit to Chernomorneftegaz’s fleet, ”he said.

An informed source in the Crimean government on Wednesday told RIA "News”That the naval forces of Ukraine have lost control of at least half of their shipboard personnel and virtually the entire infrastructure of Sevastopol. “If they are built, the Crimea’s self-defense forces of Crimea can count on the Lutsk and Ternopil corvettes, the Slavutych command ship, small anti-submarine ships and rocket boats, sea-sweepers, and the only Ukrainian submarine Zaporozhye, which did not leave Sevastopol, ”said the source.

At the same time, he recalled that part of the Getman Sagaidachny crew went ashore, returned to the Crimea and went over to the side of the autonomy authorities. According to him, the command of the Crimean naval self-defense forces is counting on an extensive fleet based system in Sevastopol, as well as on the naval Aviation (Belbek airport), coastal units and training ranges on land and at sea.

In turn, Konstantin Sivkov, First Vice-President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, is convinced that if Sevastopol becomes a Russian city and the countries do not sign an agreement on the basing of ships, then part of the Ukrainian fleet there will in any case have to find a new place for basing. “But the essence is different. Why Odessa, whose population is in favor of an active rapprochement with Russia, is suddenly so reoriented. This indicates only one thing: the situation in Ukraine is entering an even more acute phase, ”Sivkov told the newspaper LOOK.

According to him, the development of the situation will largely depend on how the remaining part of the Ukrainian fleet in the Crimea behaves. “They may decide to sink their ships. And we must not forget that the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian fleet went over to the side of the people of Crimea, and therefore Russia. That is, part of the Ukrainian fleet went over to the side of Russia, ”said Sivkov, adding that Ukrainian sailors will have three possible options of action: to scuttle their ships, go to another basing place or go to the side of Russia.
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  1. Gagarin
    Gagarin 13 March 2014 12: 22
    +22
    Che there to be wise, in Sevastopol will be the very thing!
    1. SerAll
      SerAll 13 March 2014 12: 25
      +6
      I think that in Sevastopol there is not enough space ...-)
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 March 2014 12: 30
        +31
        Quote: SerAll
        I think that in Sevastopol there is not enough space ...-)

        Enough, there the fleet used to be many times larger and there was enough space for everyone.
        As for the Ukrainian in Odessa, so ... However, experts say that the new base of the Ukrainian fleet may end up in a completely different city.
        as if in Romania you didn’t have to tear your claws laughing
        Ukraine has not died yet winked
        1. SHAKESPEARE
          SHAKESPEARE 13 March 2014 12: 58
          +24
          The Ukrainian fleet will now be in Romania, they will rent a base there, and after a while Ukraine will lose the Black Sea coast, all these Black Sea regions will leave the jurisdiction of Ukraine and will be a detached republic of New Russia and annexed to the Russian Federation.
          1. avg
            avg 13 March 2014 14: 48
            +5
            Quote: SHEKSPIR
            The Ukrainian fleet will now be in Romania, they will rent a base there,

            No, they will immediately move to Norfolk, following the gold reserve. yes
          2. Seryi trifon
            Seryi trifon 13 March 2014 15: 23
            0
            What hryvnia will be withdrawn ???
        2. Manager
          Manager 13 March 2014 13: 02
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          as if in Romania you didn’t have to tear your claws

          Hi!
          I assume that before Nikolaev shipyards the coast will be ours! So Romania is not otherwise)))!
          1. Canep
            Canep 13 March 2014 13: 17
            +2
            Quote: Manager
            I assume that before Nikolaev shipyards the coast will be ours! So Romania is not otherwise)))!

            Not one I think so. Wait and see.
          2. Er22345
            Er22345 13 March 2014 14: 30
            .
            I wonder why you want our blood so much? Will you personally join the army, or will you transfer this hard work to the boys of 20 years old?
            1. avg
              avg 13 March 2014 15: 02
              +9
              Quote: er22345
              I wonder why you want our blood so much? Will you personally join the army, or will you transfer this hard work to the boys of 20 years old?

              What do you think, only you can shed blood? You are used to beating unarmed boys from the explosives with chains, frying them with "cocktails", and shooting them like rabbits in the shooting range, and as a little fried smell of fried, they ran to the mattress mats: "Stand up, uncle!" And do not worry about our boys, they will be able to stand up for themselves, but it will be necessary and we will help.
              In the meantime, "Polite People" do not bother anyone. You will sit quietly, and you will not be touched, unless the "snout is in fluff."
            2. YRAL59
              YRAL59 13 March 2014 15: 12
              0
              You don’t need anything, especially blood. There is enough room for everyone.
              We lived, because in friendship and in friendship we will live and serve together. Health to all of you.
              1. Dimkin
                Dimkin 13 March 2014 16: 31
                0
                you this banderlog and maydanutyh go explain.
            3. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 13 March 2014 15: 12
              +5
              Quote: er22345
              ? You’ll personally join the army, and

              It will be necessary to all go! - this is 1.5% of you who are ready to defend the "homeland", damn patriots laughing
            4. sergmoryak
              sergmoryak 13 March 2014 15: 41
              +1
              so many who are here and so in the army)))
            5. hrych
              hrych 13 March 2014 16: 57
              +5
              Why boys? Or do you think the machine is on the machine? No, colleague, these days have passed, we will suppress the enemy’s control and air defense systems with precision missiles, after which we will achieve superiority in the air, and then we will work on the retreating, demoralized columns of the enemy and only then the boys will clear the charred area, and of course the escort of surrendered.
            6. biglow
              biglow 13 March 2014 19: 56
              +1
              Quote: er22345
              I wonder why you want our blood so much? Will you personally join the army, or will you transfer this hard work to the boys of 20 years old?


              http://www.interfax.ru/364335
              all who can flee from the Ukrainian army
              Simferopol. March 13. INTERFAX.RU - Ukrainian servicemen, who refused to swear allegiance to the people of Crimea, began to leave the territory of the peninsula, First Deputy Prime Minister of Crimea Rustam Temirgaliev told Interfax.

              "The bulk of the military units of Ukraine located in Crimea have gone over to the side of the self-defense forces. The same individual servicemen, mainly from the western regions, including the sailors who refused to swear allegiance to the people of Crimea, have already begun to leave the territory of the peninsula. We provide them free exit without weapons from the territory of Crimea, "Temirgaliev said.

              He explained that the first group of such servicemen had already been delivered to the area of ​​the city of Armyansk, on the Ukrainian-Crimean border.

              Meanwhile, servicemen of several tank units located on the peninsula declared their readiness to swear allegiance to the people of Crimea.

              "The Self-Defense Forces of Crimea took control of the tank units where the T-80UD tanks are stationed. The personnel of these units declared their readiness to serve the people of Crimea. So now we have armored vehicles," Temirgaliev said.

              See the original material at http://www.interfax.ru/364335
        3. Suhov
          Suhov 13 March 2014 14: 06
          +12
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          as if in Romania you didn’t have to tear your claws
      2. Sibiriya
        Sibiriya 13 March 2014 12: 41
        +5
        Yes, they will create the Ukrainian lunar fleet there so far freely
      3. aktanir
        aktanir 13 March 2014 12: 44
        +7
        What absurd talk about the maintenance by Crimea of ​​its military aviation and naval forces? It’s impossible to let it be purely theoretical. Even a much more prosperous Belarus cannot afford to contain the links of the SU-27 purely economically. Because it is a very serious waste. And here is a small Crimea, which intended to have its own aviation and navy ... It is clear that Russia will contain them. And in general, would part immediately with this rusty junk. The only asset of the Ukrainian fleet is Getman Sagaidachny. But he did the right time to Odessa. There is nothing to talk about aviation - yesterday.
        1. alex-s
          alex-s 13 March 2014 13: 09
          +6
          What absurd talk about the maintenance by Crimea of ​​its military aviation and naval forces?

          So Crimea is already five minutes away - Russia! We will finally get our "aircraft carrier" back!
          1. Er22345
            Er22345 13 March 2014 14: 31
            .
            He’s been in China for a long time, you missed everything.
            1. Irkutsk
              Irkutsk 13 March 2014 15: 16
              +11
              Crimea is our unsinkable aircraft carrier
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        2. Seryi trifon
          Seryi trifon 13 March 2014 15: 28
          +1
          So we are not talking about the "Crimean Fleet". Crimea as a subject of the Russian Federation is not supposed to have its own fleet. But the semblance of fair play must be observed: the fleet will be transferred to the Crimean Republic, and then the Crimea, together with "its" fleet, will join the Russian Federation. Otherwise, it may turn out ugly - as if we took the fleet from Ukraine)
      4. inkass_98
        inkass_98 13 March 2014 14: 51
        0
        It used to be enough, but now it’s not enough. Nothing fit.
    2. Irkutsk
      Irkutsk 13 March 2014 12: 34
      +17
      That is not, let them pay for the base and stand in Sevastopol
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 13 March 2014 12: 46
        +10
        That is not, let them pay for the base and stand in Sevastopol
        ....... and at a rental price for the Black Sea base of the Russian Navy drinks beat your money, the market is the market
      2. alex-s
        alex-s 13 March 2014 13: 10
        +15
        That is not, let them pay for the base and stand in Sevastopol

        More from them must be taken for 60 years rent the entire peninsula!
      3. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 13 March 2014 14: 27
        0
        Quote: Irkutsk
        That is not, let them pay for the base and stand in Sevastopol

        Still drown, save them later.
    3. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 13 March 2014 12: 58
      +9
      It is not a fact that Odessa will remain faithful to the Maidan authorities in Kiev ...
      1. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx 13 March 2014 13: 43
        +5
        ShturmKGB
        It is not a fact that Odessa will remain faithful to the Maidan authorities in Kiev ...

        Odessa, like the whole of SE, is crushed with all its might and by all means! There is someone to fight the Kiev usurpers, but nothing! Now it is necessary to respond to force with force, peaceful protests, even the most massive and long-lasting, will not lead to anything. SE is crushed by armed force, venal prosecutors and cops who have crossed over to the side of the junta.
        “But the point is different. Why is Odessa, whose population stands for an active rapprochement with Russia, suddenly so reoriented. This indicates only one thing: the situation in Ukraine is moving into an even more acute phase, ”said Sivkov

        That is why Odessa without weapons and means cannot answer the banderlogs and the Right Sector that flooded it. Also, the whole SE cannot answer with anything. And if the Right Sector is officially made the National Guard, as they want, and even with a deployment in the SE regions, there will be blood and massacre of all those who disagree. Nothing to answer !!!
    4. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 13 March 2014 13: 28
      +1
      Che there to be wise,


      Why does the land state, God forbid, Novorossia move away from Ukraine, the navy? The Dnieper flotilla will be enough for them. laughing
      1. mamba
        mamba 13 March 2014 14: 34
        0
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Why does the land state, God forbid, Novorossia move away from Ukraine, the navy?

        Then the Ukrainian Navy will become similar to the Belarusian: http://absurdopedia.wikia.com/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%BC%D
        0%BE%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D1%84%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82_%D0%91%D0%B5%D0%BB%D
        0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8
    5. AVV
      AVV 13 March 2014 22: 25
      0
      With all the variety of choices, there is no other alternative !!!
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 13 March 2014 12: 23
    +14
    Due to the fault of temporary workers in KIEV, Ukrainian sailors are in a difficult position ... the choice is theirs.
    1. Duke
      Duke 13 March 2014 12: 28
      +8
      The referendum will put a lot in place.
    2. RBLip
      RBLip 13 March 2014 12: 29
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Due to the fault of temporary workers in KIEV, Ukrainian sailors are in a difficult position ... the choice is theirs.

      there all of Ukraine is in this very position. but your conclusion is absolutely correct - the choice is theirs.
      1. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx 13 March 2014 13: 56
        -1
        Quote: RBLip
        there all of Ukraine is in this very position. but your conclusion is absolutely correct - the choice is theirs.

        Fuck you such clever people - choose! Try yourself to come out even with a five thousandth unarmed crowd against two dozen scumbags with machine guns. Fighting commentators! When deputies are bluntly beaten up in the office of the head of the regional department of internal affairs, and it’s indicative of the camera, and then they put in everyone’s pre-trial detention center those who were caught if they were taken to the pre-trial detention center, I would see what you would take away ... especially if your families are hostages and nowhere to hide them. fool
        1. Rblipetsk
          Rblipetsk 13 March 2014 18: 09
          0
          yes you cho !!!!!! that is, ALL of Ukraine has been disarmed and all Russian-speaking families in Ukraine have been taken hostage? so which of us is smart? and maybe there is everything for everyone? and your "smartest" head was not hammered by such a question - why in Crimea Russia behaves like this. and in the southeast like this? maybe because in Crimea people DO NOT CARE, huh?
          1. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx 14 March 2014 03: 27
            -1
            And you come here and smell what it smells like. Then you will be puffed up, a warrior sofa. At the same time, you will find out to whom and what doesn’t matter here. First, learn to think yourself, then teach others. In Crimea, initially there was a base for resistance, its Supreme Council and its Cabinet. The road to them through the isthmus, which is easy to block with small forces to begin with. Other penetration opportunities are difficult, and in the east you can enter any city from any direction. Create a circular defense? With a dozen shotguns? The rest - read above again, if the mind is enough to understand what is written. Then you will check, the hero of horseradish ... fool
            1. RBLip
              RBLip 14 March 2014 09: 14
              -1
              Quote: Jogan-64
              And you come here and smell what it smells like. P

              but in Ukraine I have no friends or relatives. here in the Crimea there. in Yalta. but you don’t feel like smelling what you put twenty years there. and about the warriors ... you would first cover your mouth and follow it. Or do you communicate there like that? then all the more tries are not needed ... otherwise you are not strong and cool in Russian, but sit quietly at home, like mice under a broom. die, damn it, you today and I tomorrow ... something on the resources of ya, even in the net you can not see a damn thing.
              1. Jogan-xnumx
                Jogan-xnumx 14 March 2014 11: 29
                -1
                Quote: RBLip
                for starters, you would cover your mouth and follow it. Or do you communicate there like that?

                With normal people, as elsewhere, we communicate normally, humanly. And with all sorts of idiots - just like me and you. And you’ll cover your mouths at the bazaar with your trading neighbors, so that they cheat less on you.
                Dad and mom - my condolences to your birthday ... hi
                1. RBLip
                  RBLip 14 March 2014 12: 05
                  -1
                  I was not too lazy, I looked at your comments ... a pimple hysterical ... and for dad and mom you are a slap. you didn’t see them, they found in the cesspool ... PNH.
                  1. Jogan-xnumx
                    Jogan-xnumx 14 March 2014 14: 55
                    0
                    Are you such words in your diagnosis from a psychiatrist learned? And you send, you see, because of your injured in the past sphincter ... Heal better. Above - sedative, below - laxative. Perhaps humanize yourself ...
                    I won’t even look at your profile, squeamish ...
    3. alex-s
      alex-s 13 March 2014 13: 15
      0
      Through the fault of temporary workers in KIEV, Ukrainian sailors were put in a difficult position ...

      Nothing, soon these temporary workers themselves will be in this position!
      1. Suhov
        Suhov 13 March 2014 14: 26
        0
        Quote: alex-s
        Nothing, soon these temporary workers themselves will be in this position!
  3. ZU-23
    ZU-23 13 March 2014 12: 25
    +6
    The Ukrainian army would have moved in a good way to the Russian, so then let Ukraine take loans from the Americans and even if they don’t even give them back since she loves to live so much laughing .
  4. agbykov
    agbykov 13 March 2014 12: 25
    +15
    It may happen that the new state of Ukraine does not need a fleet, since it will not have access to the sea at all. Like the proverb about a submarine in the steppes of Ukraine. wink
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    2. alexng
      alexng 13 March 2014 12: 47
      +4
      Duc and the steppes will not remain. laughing
    3. alex-s
      alex-s 13 March 2014 13: 17
      0
      Like the proverb about a submarine in the steppes of Ukraine.

    4. avg
      avg 13 March 2014 15: 23
      +1
      “They (the Black Sea Fleet of Russia) are blocking our ships at the Sevastopol and South bases, starving teams, clearly setting themselves the task of depriving the country of naval forces.
      They simply introduce the concept of "Holodomor".
      The option to break through with the battle has already disappeared - this is suicide. There are negotiations, a weighty argument at which could be the early entry of Ukraine into NATO, ”said the Ukrainian.

      And what about "Varyag" scite?
      But we have no other ships!

      But you have a lot of admirals, there are three on one Sagaidachny, and even in Kiev ... the admiral even commands the ground. yes
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 13 March 2014 20: 55
        0
        Quote: avg
        even the admiral commands the explorers. yes

        then the landmen must be renamed MORPHEKH ... estimate how scary 20 marines sound ...
  5. Sibiriya
    Sibiriya 13 March 2014 12: 26
    +2
    At basins, they will not go into battle
  6. Russ69
    Russ69 13 March 2014 12: 26
    +17
    In turn, the first vice-president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Konstantin Sivkov, is convinced that if Sevastopol becomes a Russian city and an agreement on the basing of ships is not concluded between the countries, then the part of the Ukrainian fleet located there will have to look for a new place for basing.

    Uh ... there is no Bandera fleet, in the Crimea we do not need. And for Odessa and Nikolaev, we have not finished the conversation. Anyway, see Ukraine fleet. There is nothing to support, to build a new one all the more, and access to the sea by a non-state is clearly not needed. And we can get access to Transnistria, which is not even bad.
    1. Nikaviz
      Nikaviz 13 March 2014 12: 46
      +3
      To begin with, so ....
      1. alex-s
        alex-s 13 March 2014 13: 20
        +3
        Everything east of the Dnieper is Rus! And Kiev too!
    2. tungus
      tungus 13 March 2014 12: 59
      +4
      Quote: Russ69
      . And we can get access to Transnistria, which is not even bad.

      It was reported that on the border of Ukraine and Transnistria, Russian citizens were restricted from entering the territory of Ukraine. And this is just the beginning. After a referendum, the border can be completely blocked and a blockade arranged.
      I do not think that our steps in Ukraine have not been calculated in advance and have not prepared measures to neutralize the threat. The transition of the Odessa region to the jurisdiction of Russia may well be such a measure. Well, where is Odessa, there is Nikolaev, Kherson and further on the list. I think that after the referendum everything will begin. Crimea is a test of the pen. Break-in technology. Next will go on the thumb. Moreover, the longer the junta is in power, the closer the default becomes and the poorer the population.
  7. RBLip
    RBLip 13 March 2014 12: 27
    +7
    ... the Ukrainian navy is relocated to Odessa. However, experts say that the new base of the Ukrainian fleet may end up in a completely different city.
    apparently a new city is Lviv. laughing
    1. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 13 March 2014 12: 52
      +5
      damn straight from the tongue tore! :-)
    2. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 13 March 2014 14: 30
      +2
      The most popular sign in the east of Ukraine, from the zoo - "Don't feed Lviv!"
  8. Alexandr 2
    Alexandr 2 13 March 2014 12: 27
    +4
    Good news for Russia. Just feel sorry for the Ukrainians. How will they be able to confront the West, in the event of aggravation of relations, when pro-Russian forces come to power. They are already in debt.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 13 March 2014 12: 31
      +2
      Quote: Alexandr 2
      Good news for Russia. Just feel sorry for the Ukrainians. How will they be able to confront the West, in the event of aggravation of relations, when pro-Russian forces come to power. They are already in debt.

      Alas, pro-Russian forces, they can come to power in at least one region, only then there will be federalization. And about Kiev, now you can not dream of it.
  9. Cherdak
    Cherdak 13 March 2014 12: 29
    +20
    In the light of a more detailed acquaintance with the state of the treasury, the Provisional Government with deep satisfaction reports that Ukraine is now a democratic land power! yes
  10. from punk
    from punk 13 March 2014 12: 29
    +4
    the news has already said that they seem to think how to sell ships
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 13 March 2014 12: 32
      +3
      Quote: punk
      the news already said that it seems they started to sell

      A pair of decommissioned sold. Only after 16 they will not do anything.
    2. GDP
      GDP 13 March 2014 13: 17
      0
      Much further to sell the only frigate - Hetman the Sagaidachny remained. Everything else is a trifle for the most part in a terrible state ...
  11. Coffee_time
    Coffee_time 13 March 2014 12: 30
    +3
    And how do they look at the slogans of Romania to delay part of the Odessa region?
    1. alex-s
      alex-s 13 March 2014 13: 25
      +1
      Right now they are watching how to pull aside more from the loans that they promise and dump, until the people outweighed them on poles!
  12. svetlomor
    svetlomor 13 March 2014 12: 33
    +2
    Let them flood better, and they are not offended, and we do not need extra junk.
  13. svp67
    svp67 13 March 2014 12: 33
    +1
    It's a shame of course to read such news ...
    But here
    The option to break through with the battle has already disappeared - this is suicide.
    If you feel the truth behind you, then what is stopping you ... So you feel and know that the TRUTH is not yours ...
    1. tirazu
      tirazu 13 March 2014 14: 56
      +1
      Something the cruiser "Varyag" was recalled. The truth in that case was "God is with us", but here we have "America with us".
  14. Russ69
    Russ69 13 March 2014 12: 34
    +6
    Quote: Coffee_time
    And how do they look at the slogans of Romania to delay part of the Odessa region?

    While the team does not notice, for Kiev there is only one enemy, it’s us ....
  15. Capyar 48315
    Capyar 48315 13 March 2014 12: 41
    +4
    Sevastopol is still the only post-Soviet base for the permanent basing of large forces of the fleet on the Black Sea. The rest will require VERY large investments to acquire at least an approximate status. Therefore, the Ukrainian Navy in the future is not expected to develop, but to reduce what is left. As for the blocked Ukrainian ships, their fate will be decided after a comprehensive assessment by experts for their "professional suitability" - and then either at the Russian Black Sea Fleet or for decommissioning (as an option, turning their parts into target ships for shooting) will hardly be returned to Ukraine.
  16. Aleksandr12
    Aleksandr12 13 March 2014 12: 43
    +5
    Nothing to think about. All that remains in Sevastopol passes to the people of Crimea, i.e., Russia. And Odessa will soon have to hold a referendum on the entry of the Odessa region into the Crimean Autonomous Region, i.e. back to Russia. Then, who will remain at sea will be forced to leave for Romania (if he is such a Russophobe that he cannot hand over the ship to Russia because of the principle) and sell the ship at the price of scrap metal, if not cheaper (of course, provided that after entering the port, the Romanians do not seize it )
  17. TAMERLAN 7
    TAMERLAN 7 13 March 2014 12: 43
    +6
    Well, why does Ukraine need a fleet? They and the army are a burden!
  18. IRBIS
    IRBIS 13 March 2014 12: 44
    +2
    "There remain negotiations, a weighty argument at which Ukraine's early accession to NATO may become," said Ukrainets.
    The argument of what and whom? - I want to ask this admiral. And where did they come from all the "squares"? Who needs them, the Ukrainian Navy? Even Ukraine does not need them, let alone us. "Block", "starve" - ​​is he in his little mind, sick?
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 13 March 2014 14: 20
      +1
      Quote: IRBIS
      And where did they come from all such "squares"?

      And this is all of those rednecks - the guardians of the fallow trough, to which they managed to stick and who have something to lose, grabbed from this fallow trough. In muddy water, for them the most expanse ... In the human environment, they were and are insignificants, but in such Makhnovsky conditions their arrogance and money-grubbing are highly respected. am
  19. Slevinst
    Slevinst 13 March 2014 12: 45
    +4
    right now, Odessa residents will look at the referendum in the Crimea and also want to, and it may so happen that the Black Sea Fleet will become unnecessary to Ukraine as there will be no access to the sea
  20. Agent 008
    Agent 008 13 March 2014 12: 45
    +12
    New Ukrainian fleet ...
    1. RBLip
      RBLip 13 March 2014 12: 53
      +4
      Quote: agent xnumx
      New Ukrainian fleet ...

      laughing I'm sorry, but you are confusing, this fleet is Estonian.
      1. alex-s
        alex-s 13 March 2014 13: 31
        +5
        Yeah, here is Ukrainian!
  21. loginovich
    loginovich 13 March 2014 12: 47
    +7
    Orange Hurwitz, being the mayor of Odessa, wanted to make a gambling casino from the port territory. As soon as he got a present. He will re-equip Sagaidachny in a casino. The audience is still that. They should not rely on ships remaining in the Crimea to be converted into a casino.
    1. not good
      not good 13 March 2014 13: 25
      +2
      Better from "Sagaidachny" to make "Potemkin" laughing
  22. Million
    Million 13 March 2014 12: 47
    +3
    The Ukrainian fleet needs to raise a white flag and shout: surrender (s)
  23. sinukvl
    sinukvl 13 March 2014 12: 49
    +4
    The fleet of Ukraine is in the state that it is now there as a concept of an absolutely black body in optics. In theory, there is no practice in practice. Based on this, all this scrap metal can be moored at any fishing village, without prejudice to the defense capability of the Ukrainian fleet (something that is not in nature cannot be lost).
    1. alex-s
      alex-s 13 March 2014 13: 34
      +1
      Well, they just rest! laughing
  24. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 13 March 2014 12: 50
    +3
    So Ukraine has practically no navy, why should a motherfucker breed about this? A pair of Soviet-built vessels floats sadly across the Black Sea. Why arrange a war for the Spanish Succession for this? One thing this Reich will definitely not have is its Kriegsmarine , they and what is for scrap will soon be sold to "pay the debt."
  25. GOGY
    GOGY 13 March 2014 12: 51
    +3
    Nobody will drown anything, wait for the referendum and go over to the side of the Crimea, only the most rabid ones can serve scumbags from Kiev. And if you are such a conscientious patriot of Ukraine (I think there will be such ones) - go ahead to Kiev, overthrow the Maydanut people and make normal honest elections (if America allows) If for a good deed, you can also help with weapons.
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 13 March 2014 13: 44
      +1
      Quote: GOGY
      wait for the referendum and go to the side of the Crimea

      Crimean sailors will serve on Chern. navy of Russia. Good maremans in Russia are also not enough. Ships and ships are being built and new on the way. What for it is to serve, sell junk and let Crimeans at least a little money, which they themselves will find where to determine.
  26. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 13 March 2014 12: 51
    +3
    Just think, getting money for the Black Sea base in Sevastopol from Russia no longer shines, so why bother with the fleet? From Odessa, you may soon have to "wander" too!
  27. Gur
    Gur 13 March 2014 12: 51
    +4
    Yes, at such a pace, Ukraine really will not have a coast.
  28. onegin61
    onegin61 13 March 2014 12: 52
    +3
    Quote: Coffee_time
    And how do they look at the slogans of Romania to delay part of the Odessa region?

    will sell for debts
  29. Antibrim
    Antibrim 13 March 2014 12: 53
    +1
    yes there’s a fleet) God forbid, 3 ships still go, and some were clamped in the bay, and it will most likely be ours
  30. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 13 March 2014 12: 57
    +4
    The Ukrainian fleet is ships that have exhausted their resources. How long it will stay afloat as part of Ukraine is not clear. Therefore, it is not too late to stand under the banner of the St. Andrew flag!
  31. Smiles to you
    Smiles to you 13 March 2014 12: 57
    +3
    I remember this old expression: Submarine in the steppes of Ukraine. Starting to come true. sad
    1. vkrav
      vkrav 14 March 2014 10: 43
      0
      Quote: Smiles at you
      Submarine in the steppes of Ukraine

      Died in an unequal aerial battle? laughing
  32. individual
    individual 13 March 2014 12: 59
    +1
    Tension is growing.
    Everyone is waiting for the results of the referendum and the final
    S L O V A R O S S I AND P O K R Y M U.
  33. Smiles to you
    Smiles to you 13 March 2014 13: 00
    +1
    To this topic. I recall the old expression:"Submarine in the steppes of Ukraine". Apparently starting to come true ... belay
    1. TAMERLAN 7
      TAMERLAN 7 13 March 2014 16: 56
      0
      Like this:

  34. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 13 March 2014 13: 00
    +2
    Yes, something says an inner voice that Ukraine will shrink to Lviv and Lviv hutars! Well, I think they’ll have enough rowing boats to fish in the lake, but gun tanks and the army don't need them, can you trust weapons for people with psychic exhortations, even catopult build, well, their anti-aircraft installations will be Chinese fireworks and crackers! :-)
  35. I think so
    I think so 13 March 2014 13: 01
    .
    Now a new cold war will begin ... with a gradual development into a hot one ... It seems that the West has switched to the General Offensive, not having waited for the readiness of its missile defense. On the one hand, it’s good that there is no missile defense, and on the other, it will make Russia's blockade GLOBAL. It means:
    1. Lower oil prices.
    2. The withdrawal of ALL gold and foreign exchange reserves (at the expense of them will feed Bandera).
    3. Food blockade. (It is no secret that RUSSIA CANNOT provide itself with food).
    4. Blocking ALL contracts and deliveries from gas and oil to equipment and private deposits.

    All these measures will lead to a rapid impoverishment of the population and a revolt with the subsequent disappearance of Russia. In the future, the West will also purge the population on the territory of present-day Russia, similar to the Indians' reservations. Further, the West will exterminate all the "oligarchs" and assistants in Russia and Ukraine, like Hussein and Gaddafi and Mubarak.

    In this situation, Russia in Kazakhstan and Belarus has several ways to try to escape.
    1. The escalation of military anti-Western hysteria both inside and outside. The connection to this operation is ALL potential and active enemies of the West. Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, North Korea, Iraq, perhaps even China. The threat of immediate withdrawal from the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction. And in the future, the provision of atomic bombs and means of their delivery to such countries as primarily Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, Iran ...
    Further an immediate exit from all restrictive agreements with the USA. Immediate MASS production of short- and medium-range nuclear missiles and their deployment closer to the United States. The immediate establishment of patrols with strategic submarines of the water area nearby to the United States.
    IMMEDIATE PHYSICAL DESTRUCTION OF ALL internal obvious and maybe potential enemies.
    The immediate start of turning the country into a military camp. With ALL the ensuing consequences. And much more. The result of such actions is one of two - the West will be sown and will reduce the blockade without giving up or accept the challenge (which is unlikely due to serious problems with raw materials in the first months). If it accepts, then we need to go all the way to the NUCLEAR WAR of the all-Russian civilization, the West will not allow us to rise, but it will drive us to the grave and reservation.

    2. Complete surrender of everything and everyone to the west. Refusal of the Crimea. Installation of the Western regime in Moscow and Minsk.
    Feeling the weakness, the West will first DISARM Russia, and then turn it into a kind of Africa, but only in "winter performance". The people will be exterminated, the elite will be needed for now, but then it will also be robbed and exterminated. There are already examples of this - does anyone know Indian billionaires? That's just it.

    3. An intermediate option is to bargain using the arguments from paragraph 1. At what stage will the skill and perseverance of the Russian leadership show converge. In the future, prepare a project to decapitate the West. (Calculation of people managing the money of the West, their visual arrangement and their simultaneous destruction).

    The prospect in any case is an intense struggle. But IN ANY EVENT, IT IS NECESSARY TO CLEAN YOUR COUNTRY from the fifth column. This is primarily the media, pro-Western foundations and organizations, and in general EVERYONE who has property, money, relatives and even friends in the West ...
    Sounds like the 37th? Yes, this is the case Russia is facing extinction and talking about human rights and democracy means destroying the entire population of the Russian world. I think it's worth it.
    1. REDBLUE
      REDBLUE 13 March 2014 13: 07
      +4
      How can they block our gas? They will freeze))) Yes, and we can provide ourselves with products. Agricultural growth in 2013 was ahead of many indicators. From military contracts, too, can not. The same France is now building us two ships. And everyone understands that not small grandmas are spinning.
      As for the gold reserve, China has already made it clear that it can demand its gold from the States. And this is the collapse of all Americanos life. This is a country living parasitic
    2. philip
      philip 13 March 2014 14: 08
      0
      I did not put you a minus out of pity, the ENEMY must be loved, as the Chinese five-book says.
      1. Lower oil prices.

      PRICE REDUCTION will not be. There will be a third world bonfire, in which Ukraine is the first sliver.
      2. The withdrawal of ALL gold and foreign exchange reserves (at the expense of them will feed Bandera).

      Perhaps BUT you saw, not in the cinema, how a man blows himself up and enemies, I saw. RUSSIA has enough nuclear weapons. that the living would envy the dead, not for long. . . .
    3. 787nkx
      787nkx 13 March 2014 14: 53
      +1
      Big private capital is the source of all adversity.
      Whoever proclaims the slogan of the struggle against large private capital will be chosen as gods or killed.
    4. Seryi trifon
      Seryi trifon 13 March 2014 15: 32
      0
      I think that you are an alarmist)
    5. ded10041948
      ded10041948 13 March 2014 19: 06
      0
      Have the "possessed" consulted?
  36. Chifka
    Chifka 13 March 2014 13: 02
    -4
    Russia needs to conclude an agreement with Ukraine and lease out part of the Sevastopol base for long-term lease. Two rusty boats and a combat raft will not take up much space; you can even pull ashore so that you don’t drown. But under the supervision and some money - none. Indifferent if.
  37. Leshka
    Leshka 13 March 2014 13: 08
    +2
    let them want something and do us some business
  38. onegin61
    onegin61 13 March 2014 13: 08
    +5
    Quote: Chifka
    Russia needs to conclude an agreement with Ukraine and lease out part of the Sevastopol base for long-term lease.

    BANKRUPT Ukraine has nothing to do in Crimea and Sevastopol.
  39. vasek-3180
    vasek-3180 13 March 2014 13: 08
    +2
    Ukrainian fleet is forced to seek a new place of deployment

    Rather, what is left of him ... laughing
    Identify a homeless shelter! wassat
  40. fisherman
    fisherman 13 March 2014 13: 10
    +4
    Ukraine has never had a navy, and it should continue to be so, for the entire northern Black Sea coast should be Russian, and it has been and must be so.
  41. made13
    made13 13 March 2014 13: 11
    +3
    Warships from the Crimea to return to Ukraine for money, at least at the price of scrap metal. And the equipment, especially the NATO one, should be removed for research. Old pelvis, which is very expensive to maintain, especially Zaporozhye. A friend told me that after the dive they barely surfaced and no longer tried to dive. This shame is just a pump for pumping out budget headstock with a subsequent cut.
  42. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 13 March 2014 13: 11
    +3
    I look at my watch the second day without blinking. How long is the time.
  43. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 13 March 2014 13: 14
    +1
    they already have something to want, soon there will be nothing to do :-)
  44. onegin61
    onegin61 13 March 2014 13: 16
    +3
    Quote: fisherman
    Ukraine has never had a navy, and it should continue to be so, for the entire northern Black Sea coast should be Russian, and so it should be.

    The fleet on the Black Sea has always been Russian, part of it went to Ukraine for free, we need to change this injustice, there’s no need for a cunning monkey-grenade.
  45. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 13 March 2014 13: 17
    0
    I see no reason to argue. The author of the article concluded that

    there will be three possible options: flood your ships, go to another place of basing or go to the side of Russia

    Although the article itself poses a problem from a different angle
    If the right is valid, then located in Balaklava and Sevastopol Bay ships of the Ukrainian Navy are Ukrainian property. That is, they must either be captured, which will be an act of war, or destroyed.

    Even though the entire personnel of the Ukrainian Navy will go over dry land to the Russian side, the "iron" should remain the property of Ukraine. The personnel do not own the ships.
  46. Chifka
    Chifka 13 March 2014 13: 17
    0
    Quote: Onegin61
    Quote: Chifka
    Russia needs to conclude an agreement with Ukraine and lease out part of the Sevastopol base for long-term lease.

    BANKRUPT Ukraine has nothing to do in Crimea and Sevastopol.

    Yes .... With sarcasm and irony on this site you need to be careful .... I'm talking about the cons
  47. RBLip
    RBLip 13 March 2014 13: 18
    +1
    Quote: VNP1958PVN
    to receive money for the Black Sea base in Sevastopol from Russia no longer shines

    I have two suggestions on this issue.
    first. to raise on the remnants of ukroflot "jolly roger", "sahaidachny" rename into "Walrus", appoint tyagnibok captain, call him Flint, white Sasha - boatswain, change his name to John Silver (do not forget to open his leg), klitschko - cabin boy, timoshanka - port . love. and send them to the whole camp in search of the treasure island (and what else can they do, there is no fucking money in Ukraine).
    the second one. the people of Ukraine urgently see. to collect all the Maidan on these ships. and drown them. then start working already. and then from the .opa in which this very people drove itself, Ukraine will never get out.
    Py.Sy. I propose an urgent vote on my proposals ... laughing
  48. Arkan
    Arkan 13 March 2014 13: 27
    +2
    After the referendum in Crimea, the fate of the remnants of the Ukrainian fleet will be clear. The Sea of ​​Azov must be made the inland sea of ​​Russia.
  49. onegin61
    onegin61 13 March 2014 13: 30
    0
    Quote: MainBeam
    If the law is valid, then the ships of the Ukrainian Navy located in Balaklava and Sevastopol Bay are Ukrainian property. That is, they must either be captured, which will be an act of war, or destroyed.

    The nationalization announced by the Prime Minister of Crimea takes place, and people on the ships themselves choose with whom to be. And so that these ships would not be stolen to another place at the exit from the bay, they would flood the decommissioned bulk carrier
  50. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 13 March 2014 13: 42
    +1
    Yes, this SS guard must be put on a ship and shot like a floating target, and then hit this place for another week so that they don’t even have shit left!