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Will the victory in the Crimea defeat in Ukraine?

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Will the victory in the Crimea defeat in Ukraine?



On the eve of the Crimean 16 referendum in March, events from the realm of politics shifted to the information sphere. For clarification, the real actions are purges in the army of Ukraine and the beginning of political pressure against opponents of the Maidan of all categories, clearing the information space. The junta is trying to gain a foothold, to maximize its position and is not yet able to really aggressively act. And most importantly, it is not known how soon it will be capable. That is why for the time being it generates only information foam supplemented by Western mass media and diplomacy.

This is undoubtedly one of the most important reasons why the second round of confrontation in Ukraine is under the complete control of Russia. Conventionally, it began with the overthrow of Yanukovych and the closure of the Olympics in Sochi. It is likely to last until March 16 of this year, when Crimea will vote on joining our country.

After that, all subsequent actions are just formalities that are not paid close attention. There will be only one result: the West does not recognize, Russia will not even look at it, the rest of the countries will most likely keep silent. The only question is the CU countries.

The “Crimean round,” unlike the “Kiev one,” passed so swiftly, harmoniously and, most importantly, confidently, from Russia, that many may have the appearance of our victory. This is not the case.

Indeed, the Crimea is a strategically important territory inhabited by a large number of Russian and Russian-speaking people. The influence of Russia, its moral authority and real opportunities in the Crimea were the highest among all regions of Ukraine. For what we see now, it was enough to show the political will and organization of actions at all levels of government. Which was brilliantly demonstrated.

But! As we know, one round is not the whole game. And we are just losing the game ...

Focusing all political resources only on the Crimea, we miss the Donbass, Kharkiv, Odessa and other Black Sea territories. It becomes obvious that, in contrast to the Crimea, eastern and southern Ukraine does not have such “plush” geographical and power conditions. People's organization and rallies in Kharkov and Donbass were no less in scale than in the Crimea. However, there was no Russian contingent and charismatic leader like Aksyonov. The elites of the regions did not unite in a united front with a specific leader at the head. Dobkin initially did not fit this role.

Now these are, in fact, local, gradually fading hotbeds of peaceful resistance to the regime. But they will not change the situation. Not overthrown Kiev junta. Do not transform Ukraine. Because peaceful, really peaceful, protest actions do not change things, but only create the prerequisites for this. However, the prerequisites do not develop, time is missed, the opportunities of the junta are growing.

I do not deny that after the referendum new “windows of opportunity” will open, but it is obvious that the current ones are not being implemented sufficiently capaciously and completely in the east and south of Ukraine. It remains to hope that everything will not be limited to the Crimean referendum only, and the people of Little Russia will not be left without as much support as the Crimeans. And after the “Crimean round”, there will be “Donbass” or “Little Russian”.
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  1. from punk
    from punk 13 March 2014 10: 42
    +13
    defeat of Ukraine was maidan. then everything is simple
    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 13 March 2014 10: 47
      +14
      The regional elites did not come together in a united front with a specific leader at the head. Dobkin was initially not suitable for this role.






      In Kharkov, pro-Russian organizations on Sunday, March 16, will hold a referendum-veche to which they will raise the issue of federalization of Ukraine.


      According to a UNIAN correspondent, Yegor Logvinov, a member of the executive committee of the Veche Kharkiv association, said this at a press conference today.
      “On March 8, at a rally near the monument to Lenin, it was decided to hold a referendum in the city of Kharkov. He is scheduled for March 16, 12.00 in the square (Svobody - UNIAN), near Lenin. There will be only one question - federalization, but I think that at the same veche we will adopt a resolution. I hope the Kharkiv people will support us, ”said Logvinov.
      According to him, ballots will be prepared for the referendum, they will be able to indicate their last name, first name, middle name, contact phone number and, in fact, vote. Ballots can be thrown into ballot boxes set up on the square.

      Logvinov added that in the resolution, which will be adopted on Sunday, public organizations plan to declare that they are taking power in the region in their hands, urge security agencies to reassign and turn to Russia for help.
      “Apparently, we will talk about the fact that we completely take power into our own hands. Second, we will say that all law enforcement agencies, all military structures, all economic structures of the city and the region should immediately submit to the executive committee (the executive committee of the Veche Kharkov - UNIAN association), and we will achieve this by any means. And the third question, which we will definitely raise in the resolution, is that we will ask the Kharkov Council to support us in our appeal to the neighboring state, to Russia for help, ”Logvinov said.
      He expressed the hope that "there will be a lot of people." Logvinov emphasized that the Veche Kharkiv association does not recognize power and considers it illegal. He added that the name of the “people's governor” would be announced on Sunday evening.

      In turn, a member of the Veche Kharkiv Executive Committee, Gennady Makarov, answering the question of how to ensure that one person does not vote more than once, said: “During the election, this problem cannot be solved, so don’t be so strict, so to speak, to the referendum. "
      Makarov also noted that the Veche Kharkov association intends to propose the introduction of “Russian peacekeeping contingents” on the Left-Bank Ukraine.
      1. Ross
        Ross 13 March 2014 10: 59
        +11
        While in the eastern regions of Ukraine the population goes to rallies and changes flags on flagpoles, "Right Sector" works strictly according to what was written. By order of Dmitry Yarosh, the "Right Sector - East" structure was created, which will take over the coordination of all cells and organizations of the movement in Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk and Poltava regions. Andrey Beletskiy has been appointed as the military coordinator - the head of the security bloc, and Ilya Kiva will be in charge of the political bloc.

        Andriy Beletskiy is a well-known ultra-right nationalist in the East, the founder of the Kharkiv group "Patriot of Ukraine", which advocates "a mono-national and mono-racial society, built on the principles of Ukrainian national greatness." "Patriot of Ukraine" was originally created in the West of Ukraine in 1999 as the youth wing of the Social-National Party of Ukraine - now it is Tyagnibok's "Svoboda" party.
        Link to the article: http://el-murid.livejournal.com/
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 13 March 2014 12: 22
          +5
          Quote: Ross
          While in the eastern regions of Ukraine the population goes to rallies and changes flags on flagpoles, "Right Sector" works strictly according to what was written.

          That's right!
          But at the same time, the stronger the ruling PS will push through YUVU, the stronger the spring of popular indignation will be compressed. And global indignation at the actions of the fascists. Plus, "twisting the economic strangleholds" around the necks of the working people. After some time, the "thread will rip" necessarily!

          The main thing is to intensify the "ferment" and raise awareness so that not a single excesses, not a single violence remain unnoticed and widely disseminated.
          At the same time, unforgettable moral, humanitarian (and hidden physical) support ...
          1. arnaut
            arnaut 13 March 2014 12: 51
            -3
            Again, the main thing is not to go too far.
            Punctures such as when the same aunts on Russian channels depict Soladt mothers protesting in Kiev against the Maidan, then residents of Donetsk, then residents of Kharkov, then Odessa refugees in Sevastopol should not be.
            We need to work efficiently. To everyone. And patriotic organizations, and TV, and special services.
            Do not underestimate the enemy.
        2. arnaut
          arnaut 13 March 2014 12: 46
          +1
          For others I will not say I do not know.
          But Ilya Kiva is a Poltava clown.
          http://sport.pl.ua/news/1390
          Maybe he will beat someone in dominoes, but to organize a political bloc.
          In Poltava "Right Sector" is represented by the dance teacher of the Palace of Pioneers.
          Somehow everything looks frivolous.
        3. Albert1988
          Albert1988 13 March 2014 19: 07
          0
          Quote: Ross
          While in the eastern regions of Ukraine the population goes to rallies and changes flags on flagpoles, "Right Sector" works strictly according to what was written.

          It's just that the east has not yet fully risen - the people there are working people, they can hold meetings and organize anything only on weekends, for the most part, and there was not a lot of the "right sector" there yet, so I am sure everything is still ahead. ..
          And then we must take into account that the Kiev junta agreed to all the conditions of the IMF - and this is a decrease in pensions, a freeze and a decrease in wages, an increase in gas prices and utility tariffs, so it is possible that after the adoption of this whole "package" (although it is more suitable the word "coffin") this very junta will be removed by the same maydanutym. Apparently that is why they are so diligently pushing the country towards war and trumpeting about Russian "aggression" - in order to distract people from the final fall of the economy into the abyss and delay their own end ...
        4. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 13 March 2014 19: 15
          0
          Quote: Ross
          While in the eastern regions of Ukraine the population goes to rallies and changes flags on flagpoles, "Right Sector" works strictly according to what was written. By order of Dmitry Yarosh, the "Right Sector - East" structure was created, which will take over the coordination of all cells and organizations of the movement in Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk and Poltava regions. Andrey Beletskiy has been appointed as the military coordinator - the head of the security bloc, and Ilya Kiva will be in charge of the political bloc.

          Yes, you can prepare at least 200 fighters, what's the point of this? Who will feed them and what will they build? The most important question is the question of the survival of society. If the population of the Southeast is unable to organize and defend their rights and views, then in Russia they will be amorphous people ... of which there is little sense.
          Russia should not take "fire on itself" in this situation. Crimea is naturally a Russian territory with an absolutely loyal population. Moreover, the base in Sevastopol is an "Achilles' heel" in Russian-Ukrainian relations. This is directly related to the gas issue. When this topic becomes irrelevant, Ukraine will have nothing of interest to the Russian Federation.
          At the same time, Europe is going to "refuse" from Russian gas and reduce its supply. Not ideal conditions for stopping transit through Ukraine? What will happen to the economy of a country ruled by radicals?
          Everything that happens next will be on their conscience. And I personally believe that by September the level of self-consciousness of Russian-speaking Ukraine will reach such indicators that legal grounds for the federalization of all of Ukraine will appear.
          Do not drive forward. It is important to understand that the events in Crimea are exclusively within the legal framework, no matter what the quacks are yelling about today. By the summer it will reach everyone the truth and the position of Russia will be advantageous. Today it is not worth going too far. The momentary annexation of the South-East with an "undecided" and unmotivated population will bring Russia more problems than advantages.
          Also, do not forget that the current authorities in Ukraine are criminal and not legitimate. And the only thing that allows them to stay at the helm is the atmosphere of chaos and lawlessness. Under such conditions, they are overly reactionary and successful. But as soon as they have to deal with everyday issues of the life of the state, all revolutionary romance quickly disappears.
          The legal expression of the will of the population of Crimea, after that the concentration of forces and "militia" in the Odessa, Kherson and Nikolaev regions. After that, the forceful federalization of Ukraine "on the ground" and the question of the entry of the entire South-East into the Russian Federation. But only by the will of the local population.
        5. GSH-18
          GSH-18 14 March 2014 17: 05
          0
          Quote: "Now these are, in fact, local, gradually fading centers of peaceful resistance to the regime."
          ================================================== ===========
          Author, do not carry nonsense!
          Everything is just beginning there. Confirmation of this is the clash of Donetsk with visiting maydauns, and the ensuing fight. There are wounded, and even dead! The battle is won by Donetsk. Bits, gas sprays, rebar trimmings were seized from maydauns. All visiting fighters under their clothes were wrapped with scotch tape on their hands, so they are preparing for a peaceful demonstration!
          The incident, of course, doesn’t bring the positions of Kiev and Donetsk closer, to say the least!
          Our Foreign Ministry said that if this chaos continues, we will introduce internal troops to defend Donetsk!
          By the way, Americans did not give weapons and money to Yaytsenyukha. Only food. Vague doubts torment Obama lol
      2. Sosland
        Sosland 13 March 2014 11: 13
        +25
        For what currency, For what medals, are you so brazenly Russia, So cruelly sold ?! Who gave you this right - Russian Brothers to rot? Who gave you this right - To defile our memory ?! We are by blood - Slavs, Our families are one! Hey, you there, on the Maidan! You are not the whole of Ukraine! You asked the miners, you asked the hard workers - What does the East of Ukraine hate Russia? !! Every day the cash desk is systematically replenished - How much did they give you euros for the sale of Donbass? Or do packs of dollars fly to you in transfers? Who allowed you to stain the Souls of our peoples? Pitiful tail pressing as it should be a serf, wagging bare back run to Europe! Who is behind your back, who are you yourself that you openly go straight to Russia ?! What Nazi Bandera, blue and yellow grandchildren? Are your hands itchy from fascist cholera? Don't you like Russian? Is our word sweet? Have committed massacre to our mass graves? Our great-grandfathers, grandfathers, laid down their Life, so that you can lay down our victory for pennies? There is a border with patience, Our faces are harsh! And in the Cossack villages Drafts are ready for battle! The glory of ancestors through the years will push us to battle! Who comes to us with a sword - From the sword and perish!
        1. matross
          matross 13 March 2014 11: 24
          +4
          Bravo! I’ve taken it for the soul! good
    2. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 13 March 2014 10: 57
      +27
      defeat of Ukraine was maidan. then everything is simple


      Oh, how wrong you are. It's only the beginning. The defeat of Ukraine ahead.
      The defeat will be when the people of Ukraine understand in what year of a.v.n. he was caught out of his stupidity, his thoughtlessness, his age-old habit of blaming Russia for everything, "kats-a-pov" and "mosk-a-lei."
      Still ahead.
      1. svp67
        svp67 13 March 2014 11: 01
        +15
        Quote: vladimirZ
        The defeat will be when the people of Ukraine will understand what kind of a.a.v.s. he fell for his stupidity

        It will not be a defeat, it will be AWARENESS. Defeat will be then if this awareness does not happen ...
      2. Reasonable, 2,3
        Reasonable, 2,3 13 March 2014 11: 15
        +3
        It will win Ukraine, but not defeat. Recall Potemkin. There was a wise man.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 13 March 2014 14: 02
          -3
          this you hope is not about his village just somewhere in those places was
          1. sso-xnumx
            sso-xnumx 13 March 2014 14: 42
            +6
            from the villages of Prince Grigory Potemkin grew Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Kherson, Odessa, Nikopol, Manganese, Kremenchug, Donbass, Sevastopol and other cities of Southeast Ukraine.
            Learn history and geography, my sun!
      3. INTER
        INTER 13 March 2014 12: 23
        +4
        Quote: vladimirZ
        The defeat will be when the people of Ukraine will understand what kind of a.a.v.s. he got out of his stupidity

        The people are guilty of inaction and no more, and they have practically nothing to do with the events of the Maidan, as we know. The people will sit until they themselves feel threatened and hopeless, but until they get to this, but spring will show who shit where))))))))))) laughing lol
      4. Alekseev
        Alekseev 13 March 2014 14: 08
        +3
        Quote: vladimirZ
        The defeat of Ukraine ahead.
        The defeat will be when the people of Ukraine understand in what year of a.v.n. he was caught out of his stupidity, his thoughtlessness, his age-old habit of blaming Russia for everything, "kats-a-pov" and "mosk-a-lei."
        Still ahead.

        Yes, that's for sure...
        And, unfortunately, no other way is visible. Have to slurp shit.
      5. dark_65
        dark_65 13 March 2014 20: 25
        +1
        it’s necessary to ripen the apple ... but then we’ll see the seeds, freedom is not granted, it is affronted, and conquered ..
    3. svp67
      svp67 13 March 2014 11: 08
      +8
      Quote: punk
      defeat of Ukraine was maidan. then everything is simple

      Defeat of Ukraine, Russia became - Bialowieza Agreement ...
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 March 2014 12: 06
      +7
      Quote: punk
      defeat of Ukraine was maidan.d

      Ukraine will win! The United States will provide military assistance to Ukraine! Glory to Ukraine, now Russia Khan wassat
      The US Department of Defense intends to provide dry rations for the Ukrainian army.


      This is stated in the press service of the US State Department Source: http://censor.net.ua/n275537
      wassat wassat wassat
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 13 March 2014 12: 38
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The US Department of Defense intends to provide dry rations for the Ukrainian army.

        And for the mercenaries?

        Troops of mercenaries go to Ukraine en masse
        1 Russia Channel reported that armed militants and mercenary units from the United States are massively traveling to Ukraine. Participants in such units report that tasks offered to fighters can be either legal or illegal. The channel reports that such mercenaries are called soldiers of fortune. The journalist of the TV channel said that the world was shocked by the video of the bullying of the soldiers of fortune over Afghan subordinates, including the video also contains sexual violence. At the same time, the head of the Center for Military-Political Studies Dmitry Tymchuk notes that a significant part of the people organizing the blocking of Ukrainian military units in the Crimea are employees of Russian private security companies, former military and reserve officers. He wrote about this on his Facebook page.
        "According to the Information Resistance group, a significant part of the organizers of the current blocking of Ukrainian military units by Aksenov's bandit formations (the so-called" self-defense ") are employees of Russian companies, which are analogs of Western private military companies (work under the guise of private security companies, private security companies ) ", - Tymchuk writes. We will remind, the State Border Service of Ukraine reported that the Russian military continues to block Ukrainian facilities in Crimea. Russian President Vladimir Putin previously stated that the Russian Black Sea Fleet has only strengthened the protection of its facilities.
        Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-140958.html
        1. Artyom
          Artyom 13 March 2014 14: 39
          +4
          mercenaries are good against an untrained armed enemy and for punitive actions, they are not effective against regular armies.
      2. not good
        not good 13 March 2014 12: 46
        +3
        United States Department of Defense-do not throw out the same delay ...
      3. Walk
        Walk 13 March 2014 14: 17
        +3
        And here is the promised NATO assistance. Hope all help.
      4. Grenader
        Grenader 13 March 2014 14: 29
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The US Department of Defense intends to provide dry rations for the Ukrainian army.

        Is there fat in rations?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 March 2014 15: 22
          +3
          Quote: Grenader

          Is there fat in rations?

          No fat, only bananas laughing
      5. staric
        staric 13 March 2014 14: 33
        +3
        Anyone who knows everything needs to erect a monument, bury him waist-deep, and whiten the rest. [0] / Alexander Lebed /
      6. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 13 March 2014 14: 45
        +2
        Did you forget the spare drawers and toilet paper?
      7. GSH-18
        GSH-18 14 March 2014 17: 34
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Ukraine will win! The United States will provide military assistance to Ukraine! Glory to Ukraine, now Russia wassat Khan
        The US Department of Defense intends to provide dry rations for the Ukrainian army.

        Terrible Ukrainian army, at the ready! laughing lol So terrible that even the states of arms do not give them! laughing
        Urmriya thunderstorm amersky dry lol
    5. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 13 March 2014 13: 58
      +1
      your words yes to god in ears too simple
    6. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 13 March 2014 18: 56
      +2
      Quote: punk
      defeat of Ukraine was maidan. then everything is simple

      Not so simple. Although I also disagree with the article. One should not play "games" and share the world pie, but look at the essence of what is happening.
      Why did Crimea go its own way, but Odessa not? Is it about "Russian tanks" or special forces? In Putin? Or is it all about the people themselves, the people themselves.
      It is clear that Crimea is strategically important for Russia and therefore resources are concentrated there. But the factories of the Southeast are also important. However, there, unlike the Crimea, people are passive. No one will make a choice for the Russians of Ukraine. Russia can and should help its fighting brothers, but should not do everything for them ... so that later it would be blamed for something else, like unfulfilled fantasies.
      If the People of the South-East rises on their own, moreover, en masse and not 5-10 thousand, then they will also deserve their freedom and an equal place among us. If they will sit on their asses ... then we do not need "freeloaders".
    7. voldmis
      voldmis 13 March 2014 20: 13
      +1
      Will the victory in the Crimea defeat in Ukraine?


      The fight for Ukraine has just begun ... Time will tell.
  2. svp67
    svp67 13 March 2014 10: 45
    +29
    Will the victory in the Crimea defeat in Ukraine?
    As events unfold, you cannot be sure of anything, nothing is predetermined, history is happening here and now ...
    In particular, with the hands of these guys

    and I envy them, white envy ... Good luck, you guys !!!
  3. Sibiriya
    Sibiriya 13 March 2014 10: 45
    +9
    It became clear that the beat is not white
  4. alex-s
    alex-s 13 March 2014 10: 46
    +5
    But! As we know, one round is not the whole game. And we are just losing the game ...

    I doubt something! Wait and see!
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    2. alexng
      alexng 13 March 2014 11: 10
      +5
      The author of the article is too pessimistic and begins to sign the loss. But the party itself has just begun and key figures from that side have already been defeated. So far, Russia is ahead of the West by a couple of steps in all matters, and in response only a screech and clang. Well, let's say that USA initiate its sanctions against Russia. Russia will tell you thanks, and after that, it will have nothing left to do, as soon as you bang the economy of USA. good
      1. Artyom
        Artyom 13 March 2014 14: 44
        +3
        I agree, but Crimea, this is a half measure. I think all interesting things will begin after the end of the Paralempic Games.
        Here is an interesting conversation between two Jews. I like this! good
  5. avt
    avt 13 March 2014 10: 47
    +7
    request What is the defeat "of Ukraine !! ??? What are you talking about? Well, it would have been said at a time when the election of great men with the introduction of the Euro-association was just being made. And now it is not about defeat, but about the existence of the project" Ukraine 1991 " generally ! And even more precisely, will it be possible to prevent the most catastrophic scenario of the death of this process without a large-scale, fratricidal massacre. The Crimeans on their land made this choice.
    1. INTER
      INTER 13 March 2014 12: 27
      +4
      Quote: avt
      What kind of defeat "Ukraine !! ??? What are you talking about?"

      That's right, Ukraine is ripening to enter Russia and Putin knows what to do, but he is not going to drink herring with milk. You think everything is pushed by chance, en nettttt))))))
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 13 March 2014 10: 47
    +13
    Now these are, in fact, local, gradually fading hotbeds of peaceful resistance to the regime. But they will not change the situation. Not overthrown Kiev junta. Do not transform Ukraine. Because peaceful, really peaceful, protest actions do not change things, but only create the prerequisites for this. However, the prerequisites do not develop, time is missed, the opportunities of the junta are growing.


    The author does not look forward a little (take a better example from PUTIN) ...
    when it comes time to pay pensions, salaries, social benefits .. and there is nothing to pay ... the new government can give nothing but empty and beautiful promises to people except for a trip to hehe hey blooming EUROPE as oriental slaves ... then we’ll look for who will be the PARTY PLAYED now.
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 13 March 2014 10: 59
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The author does not look ahead a little (take the example from PUTIN better) ... when it comes time to pay pensions, salaries, social benefits ... and there is nothing to pay ... the new government can give people nothing but empty promises except a trip to he blooming EUROPE as oriental slaves ... then we’ll see who the PARTY PLAYED FOR today will be.


      The namesake is right. 100% of rights.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 13 March 2014 11: 10
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      when it comes time to pay pensions, salaries, social benefits .. and there is nothing to pay

      Aren't you afraid that the pendos will still print candy wrappers for this topic, and through non-state funds lend to the gop-government? Moreover, with our own oil tanks, tk. our government, even in response to possible sanctions, will not demand the return of our money invested in the US GKO. Here the author argues correctly, iron is forged hot. Kharkiv, Donetsk and Odessa urgently need to be supported, but not by "polite" guys, but by funding and protection of pro-Russian leaders. The people will do the rest themselves.
      P.S. Good morning, Alex. hi
      1. Andrey57
        Andrey57 13 March 2014 11: 23
        +15
        Good afternoon, Ingvar, they won’t print, but if they print, they won’t give a dollar - yesterday Russia filed a claim for repayment of the debt for hohlobondov, gas and gas fines, all for 17 billion greens, a little sadness for maydaunov - a fad that sovereign debt cannot exceed 60% of Ukraine’s GDP, now, in order to give at least a dollar to the maydauns, you must first give Russia 17 billion evergreens, and these hohlobonds are listed on the London Stock Exchange, if the conditions for issuing securities are not met, then the London Exchange pays, there shnie guys do not understand such jokes laughing
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 13 March 2014 11: 49
          +1
          Quote: Andrey57
          Good afternoon Ingvar,

          Hello Andrey. hi
          Quote: Andrey57
          Yesterday, Russia filed a claim for the repayment of debt for chochlobon

          In any case, the debt will be restructured, and will be paid in installments. With such a development of events, the West will get Ukraine a little more. In any case, this is not a chess game, or a turn-based strategy, where you can spend hours pondering your opponent's move. You need to act quickly, but gently, so as not to alienate the doubters. And we have already alienated many, look at the media, all as one say that Crimea is historically ours, but no one says that WE are one, artificially divided people, they speak in vague phrases about brotherhood. I correspond in a personal with Makarov, he is offended by the "big brother", and I understand him. From an egoistic point of view, I also get high that we have squeezed Crimea (even more so, I have relatives in Yalta), but reason tells us that they do not do this with our own people. Imagine - thieves came to your family, and instead of driving them out together, you re-registered part of the apartment for yourself under this theme. And you are also glad that you owe relatives to you, I don’t want to. And relatives on the remains of the apartment are finished off, and thieves will be the new neighbors.
          God grant that I would be wrong. hi
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 13 March 2014 12: 01
            +1
            that they don’t do this to their own people. Imagine - thieves came to your kindred,


            Igor, so does something wrong too ... but he does not accept explanations for good.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 13 March 2014 12: 26
              +2
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              so yours also does wrong.

              Lech, zapadentsy not their own. Zapadentsy- THIPS. And the federalization of Ukraine with subsequent integration with Russia would be a more thoughtful step. hi
          2. Avralex
            Avralex 13 March 2014 12: 49
            +2
            I completely agree. WE are one nation, and we are artificially quarreled and divided.
          3. sso-xnumx
            sso-xnumx 13 March 2014 14: 54
            0
            so after all, this is a counter presentation, that would be thought at least
        2. Monk
          Monk 13 March 2014 11: 52
          +1
          totally agree
        3. Igarr
          Igarr 13 March 2014 12: 04
          +2
          Andrey, where you can see more details of this information.
          "..that is the London Stock Exchange pays, .." - it looks like a skiff for the kids.
          Give me a reference, please.
        4. sso-xnumx
          sso-xnumx 13 March 2014 14: 51
          0
          And they’ll do it right that they won’t give it! That's what life-giving kick does to people! After all, friends and neighbors will gladly give only one debt for you - marital! And then not for you .....
      2. Monk
        Monk 13 March 2014 11: 51
        0
        If you go according to your option it will only aggravate the situation ... while you have to wait, and then, when the time comes, "go down the hill and .."
      3. Same lech
        Same lech 13 March 2014 11: 57
        +2
        Hello Igor hi ... it is possible .. only the people of Ukraine will pay for these candy wrappers.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 13 March 2014 12: 30
          +1
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          only pay these candy wrappers will be the PEOPLE of UKRAINE.

          Subsequently - YES. But now they were inspired by the fabulous thought of crane in the sky.
      4. Sour
        Sour 13 March 2014 14: 03
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        And you are not afraid that pendosy under this subject will print more candy wrappers

        I beg you, do not disgrace yourself and do not repeat silly children's stories about the "almighty American printing press." Without damage to the economy, it is impossible to endlessly replicate any currency, including the dollar. Otherwise, the United States would not have cut its spending. Or have you forgotten what kind of war they had recently over the budget? In fact, the uncontrolled emission of dollars has never existed, otherwise no one would have used it as a world currency, and the American banking system would have collapsed long ago. Leave these tales to the defective kids from special schools. And if you don't believe me, check out the basics of economics. Even an emission of 100 million dollars would immediately cause a change in the price index, and a change in the discount rate, and sharp fluctuations in the stock market.
        And you contradict yourself, in your post, mentioning the GKO of the USA. If the States could print their bucks in any way (and you say so), then they would have no need to issue securities. Why borrow, cut the budget, if you can just print money, as you say?
        Once again - do not disgrace and do not repeat kindergarten Internet myths.
        1. Walk
          Walk 13 March 2014 14: 33
          +1
          Here you are not quite right. In order to give virtual money to Ukraine, you do not need to turn on the printing press. It is enough to rewrite this debt by borrowing debts. All the same, no one will lower the rating of the United States, and thus, the debts of Ukraine will become less, because US securities rating higher. Those. roughly it looks like this. If Ukraine takes a million, then it will be given back to one and a half, and if the United States is taken, then they will be given 1.1 million.
          1. Sour
            Sour 13 March 2014 15: 48
            +1
            You are right in the sense that large loans are not given in cash. Only ignorant people imagine a loan as a steamboat floating on the ocean with money in the hold.
            Transferring debt to yourself is not an easy thing, especially when you consider the amount of Ukraine’s debts. I will say more - with the current financial problems of the United States, this is unrealistic. It is unlikely that the Fed will go for it, and without their approval, Congress will not approve such a castling.
            In addition, Ukraine needs not only to write off debts, but also in constant currency support. That is their main problem. This stems from a weak economy and an overvalued hryvnia.
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  8. rasputin17
    rasputin17 13 March 2014 10: 47
    +11
    And after the “Crimean round” “Donbass” or “Little Russian” will follow.

    The Crimean referendum should serve as a starting point and motivation for the whole of Little Russia, to show them clearly the result of their struggle for their rights!
  9. stayer
    stayer 13 March 2014 10: 49
    +4
    Recently, Crimea signed an act of independence following the example of Kosovo. Our media and politicians (Matvienko) spoke in essence. Can any of the members of the forum visiting foreign mass media give answers to the heads of foreign states or their leaders on this fact? It is in the light of the Kosovo case. And how to interpret it.

    PS The fact that they deny the legitimacy heard. But I would like to hear exactly how the Kosovo and Crimean cases are related.
    1. Name
      Name 13 March 2014 11: 02
      +3
      Quote: stayer
      It is in the light of the Kosovo case. And how to interpret it.

      You can "walk": http: //inosmi.ru/today/, I assure you, Kosovo simply did not exist for Amers and others like them ... Like that! hi
  10. Monk
    Monk 13 March 2014 10: 55
    +6
    I disagree with the author, apparently he does not play chess ... let's do it, not only did "polite people" appear in Crimea, there appeared leaders who were able to organize the people, who acted as a united front, that's why multilateral assistance from Russia came there. And the east, excuse me, as in that joke when the monkey cannot decide where to go, either to the smart ones, or to the beautiful ... Until the east itself understands what it wants, there is no sense for Russia to do anything, otherwise we will again we will be to blame for all the sins of Ukraine, it’s easier that way, but let’s do something yourself and when there is already an edge, then Russia will see that help is needed.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 13 March 2014 11: 17
      +3
      Quote: Monk
      Until the east itself understands what it wants,

      Yes, the East understands what it wants, you need to help with leaders and the organization. But you will not deny that the leaders of the Maidan were henchmen of the West, and all this was done with Western money? Here you also need to help the East of Ukraine. hi
  11. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 13 March 2014 10: 55
    +4
    Not all at once, the main bridgehead and less blood!
  12. region46
    region46 13 March 2014 10: 57
    +11
    1. Unfortunately, in Kharkov, the moods are far from completely pro-Russian as in Crimea
    2. Crimea is a strategic region (deployment of the fleet), unlike Kharkov.
    3. Kharkiv does not have such broad powers as Crimea (autonomy, secession from Ukraine is much more difficult.
    4. It is much easier to keep the Crimea from the penetration of nationalists (one dig and through the air), but they will climb to Kharkov from all the cracks through each field (not counting local ones)
    5. In Crimea, the army is getting a little hard legally now, but in Kharkov, how will it be?
    So you need to think 10 times to deploy such a company as in the Crimea.
    1. PROXOR
      PROXOR 13 March 2014 11: 11
      +1
      And what is there to complain about. It was said. If you resist yourself, Russia will not leave. If the Kharkovites themselves do not want to, then why should we harness ourselves. Crimea had enough will. Close the borders, pacify the Tatars, then the Russian troops blocked parts of Ukraine at their bases. There would be will. And the whole Little Russia would rise, no guards of the wretched sector would be enough. Well, even if it happens that only Crimea will go to Russia. A year later, another, swelling with hunger, all the regions, both eastern and western, immediately called out. And here will be the second round. And God forbid pacifying the riots, the new Kiev discontent will begin by force. Then they will learn "pleasant" sensations from behind, as the Georgians did in their time.
      1. predator.3
        predator.3 13 March 2014 11: 43
        +1
        Dobkin was initially not suitable for this role.
        And Kernes is wagging his tail, but are they not a kind of "Trojan horses", a kind of "strangers among their own," "gapons" to lead the protest movement of the population? I have vague suspicions that they are connected with Kolomaysky and with other ukroligarchs!

        http://dosye.com.ua/video/2011-09-05/pjanyi-kolomoiskii-stroit-gepu/24355/
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 13 March 2014 12: 26
          +2
          Quote: predator.3
          Dobkin was initially not suitable for this role.
          And Kernes wags his tail, .. I have vague suspicions that they are connected with Kolomaysky and other ukroligarchs! ..

          Connected!
          Mamontov's "Special Correspondent" ("East of Nezalezhnosti") published a wiretap of Kernes' conversation with Kolomoisky last Tuesday. And in general, everything fell into place. All these muddy and slippery interviews with Kernes.
          There are no pure in power there. For 23 years, only a brown and slimy slurry can pass through an extra-level sieve of the oligarchy.
    2. smith7
      smith7 13 March 2014 11: 12
      +2
      Eh! If only our soldiers "foolishly" got lost in the Belgorod and Kursk regions during exercises and came to Russian rallies in Kharkov, Sumy, Odessa, Lugansk ... This is "two bast shoes" on the map wink
  13. pr 627
    pr 627 13 March 2014 11: 02
    +6
    To stop now is to show weakness. Russia needs the lands of the Black Sea region ports and shipyards of Kherson, Odessa, Nikolaev. An open conflict is probably not needed, but the destabilization of the Kiev authorities in this area is necessary. It’s time to cultivate our powerful Russian political forces with military organizations. There is no point in ceremony with the enemy, the teachers were good.
    1. PROXOR
      PROXOR 13 March 2014 11: 13
      +1
      Quote: pr 627
      To stop now is to show weakness. Russia needs the lands of the Black Sea region ports and shipyards of Kherson, Odessa, Nikolaev. An open conflict is probably not needed, but the destabilization of the Kiev authorities in this area is necessary. It’s time to cultivate our powerful Russian political forces with military organizations. There is no point in ceremony with the enemy, the teachers were good.

      Yes, there’s nothing even to be done. Only NATO to threaten with a finger so that bad thoughts would not go into your head about bases in Ukraine. Well, the rest themselves fall apart when the time comes to pay debts.
  14. Vadim12
    Vadim12 13 March 2014 11: 04
    +3
    Well, not all at once. Moscow, too, was not built immediately. First - Crimea. It will be seen further. But most likely, the east will also not want to lay under the fascists and choose Russia.
  15. chenia
    chenia 13 March 2014 11: 05
    +10
    Everything will change when the junta and its followers finally finish off the economy (Russia needs to block all projects with our industry MOTOR-SICH, YuzhMash, KB Antonov). Crush our oligarchs, especially Kolomoisky.

    And when the economic collapse once again ensues (although for me this condition is permanent in Ukraine), this rascal will be demolished completely.

    And declare Crimea Little Russia (sort of like an independent state under the protectorate of Russia), with the possibility of accession of new territories.

    Generally confuse everyone, and be able to maneuver ..
  16. Per se.
    Per se. 13 March 2014 11: 05
    +6
    So far, one thing seems clear, Russia's activity in Crimea and complete fog in the rest of the eastern regions of today's Ukraine. Yanukovych chewed snot and lost time in Kiev, we can wait for the nationalists to regroup, recovering from their fear of the entry of Russian troops, and will no longer walk with sticks, but with the latest weapons and modern military equipment. If Misha, this Saako and Kaakoshvili, armed the Georgian army, the Banderaites will be armed and trained much better, and they are no longer good-natured Georgians, but creatures worse and more dangerous than the German SS men. It is difficult to say whether Putin lost the game in Ukraine, taking from the opponent only the substituted "queen" - Crimea, but without a positive solution to the general issue throughout Ukraine for us, the fears of the author of the article seem reasonable and justified.
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 13 March 2014 11: 22
      0
      Quote: Per se.
      taking from the enemy only a substituted "queen" - Crimea


      And who set him up for us? Your analogy is misplaced.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 13 March 2014 11: 41
        +3
        Quote: Semyon Semyonich
        Your analogy is inappropriate.

        Eh, Semyon Semyonich! ... The analogy is very appropriate, especially since I have a slightly different nuance in the context of the SUBMITTED, in your editorial office. The situation with Crimea is OBVIOUS for everyone, the only doubts were about the Crimean Tatars, the situation with the east of Ukraine is not obvious, even with pro-Russian sentiments there. We, in fact, have threatened with the possibility of introducing troops, and, having a moral right to this, already, as if, are justifying ourselves by allowing a Ukrainian reconnaissance aircraft to fly over our border territory from the government we have not recognized in Kiev. It's like, don't bother us in Crimea, we won't bother you in the east? Taking the east of Ukraine, Russia would receive Crimea, Kiev, and all of Ukraine. This is the problem and the main intrigue of the article in this Ukrainian "chess" game.
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 13 March 2014 16: 18
          0
          This is your point of view. I understand that I want everything at once. Send troops to Lviv or Warsaw, chop everyone into cabbage and restore justice. Haste is needed when catching fleas. Let's be realistic, how can we prevent them in the east, if half of the inhabitants there will consider us invaders? That is when they descend from heaven to the sinful earth, when the time for "hangover" comes, and a pittance is dumb, then they themselves will send the VRIO TRIO and the right sector to the heavenly hundred.
  17. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 13 March 2014 11: 08
    +3
    Quote: stayer
    that deny the legitimacy heard

    Just listen: The illegitimate government of Ukraine does not recognize the act of independence of Crimea and is not "legitimate" wassat
  18. mabuta
    mabuta 13 March 2014 11: 09
    +5
    Crimea, just the beginning.http: //topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/544/wpii885.jpg
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 13 March 2014 11: 31
      +2
      Not a frail tranche, but this and 9 grams is enough fellow hi
  19. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 13 March 2014 11: 13
    +11
    Of course it won’t ...

    Moreover, with such opponents:

  20. karpov888
    karpov888 13 March 2014 11: 17
    +2
    I also think that everything is going according to plan, Crimea is the main task from the point of view of the strategic basing of our fleet and a further bridgehead, primarily for the information war. in the south and east the situation is more complicated, the oligarchs have a great influence, as they are the owners of enterprises, they control financial flows, therefore, the only bloodless option is the deterioration of the economic situation and the awareness of the majority of citizens of their situation, which will lead to full-scale strikes and rallies. there should be born a truly significant force that will allow us to change and take power into our own hands throughout Ukraine, and to the maximum it should pass peacefully. although this is a long way to go, given the plans for postponing presidential elections ...
  21. Monk
    Monk 13 March 2014 11: 23
    +2
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: Monk
    Until the east itself understands what it wants,

    Yes, the East understands what it wants, you need to help with leaders and the organization. But you will not deny that the leaders of the Maidan were henchmen of the West, and all this was done with Western money? Here you also need to help the East of Ukraine. hi


    I will not deny it, but you cannot deny the fact of what all this led them to ??? So, let's first decide the people, and then help.
  22. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 13 March 2014 11: 28
    +5
    At the expense of other areas, the author is right, but we must take into account that we did not prepare for such a turn of events, we do not have a prepared "Russian Sector" and a shadow government in Ukraine (we will not say good or bad), and politics is the art of the possible and not the desired, We do not even join Crimea, it rather joins, although of course there is support, initiatives from other areas or not or extremely weak - without this Russia is powerless, if you want help in the war at least start fighting and not moaning. So the question to Ukraine for Russia is rhetorical, probably already a minority, but then we will accept those who remained, and with the rest we must continue to work. The next mandatory step is the federalization of Ukraine.
  23. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 13 March 2014 11: 51
    +1
    The article voiced the obvious things that formed a week ago. Everything that happened this week was predictable. Uncertainty factor - actions of the junta immediately before and during the referendum.
    Now these are, in fact, local, gradually fading out hotbeds of peaceful resistance to the regime. But they will not change the situation. Do not overthrow the Kiev junta. Do not transform Ukraine.

    At present, it can be assumed that terror in the eastern regions does not cease, although there are no publications on this subject. And in the future we can expect gradual increased terror. In order not to give a "pretext" for the introduction of Russian troops into eastern Ukraine.
  24. siberalt
    siberalt 13 March 2014 11: 53
    +3
    Not even a month has passed since the coup. The people live in stocks and accumulations. Poverty is inevitable. Moreover, throughout Ukraine. Without riots and blood will not do. And in the neighborhood is a calm well-fed Crimea, as an example of his choice. Will the West allow a humanitarian catastrophe? They achieved this, dragging the country into an association. And here is such a gift for the announcement of external management.
  25. Leshka
    Leshka 13 March 2014 11: 56
    +1
    Crimea lost for Ukraine
  26. Midshipman
    Midshipman 13 March 2014 12: 03
    +1
    He will not, because Ukraine is simply not able to support itself and it still has to make a choice between east and west, despite the fact that the latter does not want to see it.
  27. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 13 March 2014 12: 04
    0
    The strategic goal ... this is Ukraine, right down to the millimeter ... Crimea is just an intermediate stage, more than sure, everything is going according to the scenario. Nobody else managed to reveal Putin’s strategic plans for the near future. Personally, I had a doubt about the main ... the most important Director and Scriptwriter of the Maidan ... Intelligence, gentlemen, the forum users are very wise ... It pushed for this ... Russia's attempts to draw closer to Ukraine through the gingerbread cookies ... then drive the economic whip ... everything is empty ... AND IF SO NOW .. (hypothesis ... but still)
  28. Gunsmith
    Gunsmith 13 March 2014 12: 13
    +2
    Sminus, a post about anything. Just a summary of the current situation. Guys, we are all smart people - we can add two plus two, .. and we can prepare and write a post - not all, of course, but professionally trained people - certainly. I would not want to read purely rhetoric here, again - everything is clear. On the other thread of the discussion I already said, I’ll repeat: * Everything will be decided on March 16th, the welfare will be doubled by one - and again the half-wellness of the others will be halved ... * What, did the miners go on strike and knock on helmets ?!
  29. Eydolon
    Eydolon 13 March 2014 12: 15
    +1
    It would not have framed Russia South-East ...
  30. Iron Mike
    Iron Mike 13 March 2014 12: 23
    0
    Quote: vladimirZ
    defeat of Ukraine was maidan. then everything is simple


    Oh, how wrong you are. It's only the beginning. The defeat of Ukraine ahead.
    The defeat will be when the people of Ukraine understand in what year of a.v.n. he was caught out of his stupidity, his thoughtlessness, his age-old habit of blaming Russia for everything, "kats-a-pov" and "mosk-a-lei."
    Still ahead.

    Ahead is still the separation of Ukraine and the civil war. God forbid, of course. And how it all ends in the end, only the Lord knows.
  31. svskor80
    svskor80 13 March 2014 12: 23
    +2
    After six months of active economic reforms, the Maidan government will force the hungry population to take to the streets, and there is no other way for these people to work. And then the main definition of the future of Ukraine will be. Now it’s pointless to try to actively join the whole of Little Russia - we get an active conflict with the West, I mean armed. But pro-Russian organizations and associations in the southeast must be supported both financially and morally.
    1. Monk
      Monk 13 March 2014 12: 27
      0
      Earlier, much earlier ...
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 13 March 2014 12: 51
      0
      Quote: svskor80
      But pro-Russian organizations and associations in the southeast must be supported both financially and morally.

      Moreover, as soon as young leaders appear in the East, they immediately try to arrest them, intimidate them - to take their families and other "delights" hostage.
    3. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam 13 March 2014 14: 44
      0
      The junta's victory in Ukraine could lead to a protracted crisis. They will not necessarily start starving "in the spring." The factories will be sold to the Americans, the nuclear power plant to Europe, the gas pipe to China. They will pay the minimum salary so that people do not die quickly. Divide Ukraine into warring territories, and in every possible way will stir up this ethnic conflict. For example, Iraq. Whatever ass was there, but there is no revolution.
  32. ed65b
    ed65b 13 March 2014 12: 30
    +1
    and a charismatic leader like Aksyonov.
    This is the most important thing: no one relies on GDP. Gubarev is so he must still be out of prison. Where are our human rights defenders? Already howls should have lifted the whole world. Unclear.
  33. Arkan
    Arkan 13 March 2014 12: 42
    +2
    What they could, they did. No need to panic. It’s not enough to join, it is also necessary to assimilate the newly annexed territories. You need a lot of money, so everything has its time.
  34. SLOVO
    SLOVO 13 March 2014 12: 43
    +2
    The article put a minus, but it is more like a plus. the assumption that we are losing by missing the SE of Ukraine is a misleading opinion. Look deeper and more global. Russia needs a people "awake", active politically, with a clear head, as in the Crimea. We do not need passive Ukrainians, this is fraught with bad consequences. Therefore, Russia is waiting for people's consciousness to change, until they "wake up". There is nothing wrong with that. You just have to wait.
  35. kelevra
    kelevra 13 March 2014 12: 45
    +2
    The author misses the point. In Crimea, they all rose at once and began to act decisively and relentlessly. Take the eastern cities, stood up, scared them, everything calmed down. We have no good reason to go to the eastern regions of Ukraine to protect the people. They have no leader who will coordinate actions and which will go to the end with a future appeal to Putin for protection. I’ll explain more elementarily, the people are very passive in the East. They need to boycott the work and go out, then the not legitimate government will come calmly to persecute the activists, but it’s like impudent, this will already be an excuse for us. Therefore, we should not talk about losing in this case. Russia did not set any aggressive goals, so there can be no victory or defeat. And the fact that the Crimeans wanted us, well, apparently this is fate, the daughter of the son returns to his mother!
  36. T-130
    T-130 13 March 2014 12: 53
    +1
    It seems that everything is correctly written, but under what pretext to select the east, if it is silent? Yes, we lose the game, but mainly because no one was engaged in supporting the East when the West actively supported its own!
  37. W1950
    W1950 13 March 2014 12: 58
    0
    Let's hope that Crimea is like a torch for the South-East of Ukraine. And we hope that support from Russia will be provided.
  38. Egevich
    Egevich 13 March 2014 13: 00
    +1
    interesting, and the presentation of the insignia "For the Crimean campaign" is planned in the near future?
  39. Karabin
    Karabin 13 March 2014 13: 00
    +2
    The author’s concerns about the South-East are justified. The issue has been resolved with Crimea. Both the West and the banderlogs resigned themselves to the loss of Crimea, and apart from information and provocations, nothing more will be done as compensation. But the South-East banderlogs are vital both from the point of view of self-affirmation and from the point of view of economics. Russia, I believe, has lost initiative in this matter. If we acted more decisively in the first March week, Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk, Odessa would now be in a different position. Yes, inevitable provocations, sanctions, possibly blood. Yes, the risk. But, it was necessary to use the situation. There may not be another suitable moment. They found themselves in Kiev, the benefit of many assistants, and they methodically take control of the situation. It is very difficult to count on the rise of the pro-Russian population, on self-organization similar to the Crimean one, for a number of reasons. One of the reasons is the complete neglect of the interests of the Little Russians by Russia for two decades. It is already surprising that someone pro-Russian remained there. What steps Moscow will take in the future is not yet clear. What we will not give offense to the Russian-speaking is Crimean affairs and only words in the rest of the Southeast. What is considered an insult? Where is this border? I do not consider the puppeteers of Maidan either stupid or geniuses, but the fact that they can benefit from events is real. They will not allow the massacre of the Russian population, will tame the most odious musicians, even compromise on language, etc., so as not to give Russia a reason and not leave the only acceptable way. During this time, all the sprouts of the Russian resistance will be cleaned up and in 10-15 years we will get a unique unified Russophobic Ukraine. I believe that the economic situation will ruin the current government, I consider it counter-productive, due to the fact that the owners will not let them die of starvation, and the people will tolerate the rest.
  40. tank64rus
    tank64rus 13 March 2014 13: 18
    +1
    It is necessary to proceed from the actual Ukraine as a state at the moment. There was a split. everyone knows about it. Those who came to power in Kiev understand that without the industrial East and South-East they will not last even two months. If there were adequate people, they would be silent, but they need to justify themselves before the Nazis who brought them to power. In addition, the United States needs a whole Ukraine so that the 6th fleet in Sevastopol and the missile defense system near Kursk. Now it is clear that Obama will not see Sevastopol, so they are beginning to "send signals" about international law and so on. Now about the East. The guys at the CIA are not stupid. They know perfectly well that the number of days goes by. The main point where you are already losing is the refusal to protect the security forces. You cannot allow the replacement of your fellow countrymen who are loyal to you for those from the West. It's the same with the administration. Read Lenin in this he is a genius. And the most important thing is the leaders, don't let them be arrested. Organization, organization and organization again.
  41. Vyacheslav73
    Vyacheslav73 13 March 2014 13: 39
    0
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    when it comes time to pay pensions, salaries, social benefits .. and there is nothing to pay

    Aren't you afraid that the pendos will still print candy wrappers for this topic, and through non-state funds lend to the gop-government? Moreover, with our own oil tanks, tk. our government, even in response to possible sanctions, will not demand the return of our money invested in the US GKO. Here the author argues correctly, iron is forged hot. Kharkiv, Donetsk and Odessa urgently need to be supported, but not by "polite" guys, but by funding and protection of pro-Russian leaders. The people will do the rest themselves.
    P.S. Good morning, Alex. hi


    I also believe that it is necessary to support the leaders of the East. The people of these regions understood everything, and after they see support not only in words, they themselves will throw out this Nazi bastard. Glory to Russia !!!
  42. Homo
    Homo 13 March 2014 13: 48
    +1
    Focusing all political resources only on the Crimea, we miss the Donbass, Kharkiv, Odessa and other Black Sea territories. It becomes obvious that, in contrast to the Crimea, eastern and southern Ukraine does not have such “plush” geographical and power conditions. People's organization and rallies in Kharkov and Donbass were no less in scale than in the Crimea. However, there was no Russian contingent and charismatic leader like Aksyonov. The elites of the regions did not unite in a united front with a specific leader at the head. Dobkin initially did not fit this role.

    As I understand it, "WE" is Russia. And we must free the South-East. But I fundamentally disagree with this formulation of the question. The whole problem is that Crimea wants and does everything to change the situation, and the South-East only wants the situation to change. It's not enough to go to a rally, wave flags, shout slogans - you need to show by action what the people want and are doing everything to change the situation. It is necessary to follow the example of Crimea and the same "maydauns" - to occupy regional administrations, prosecutors, police, block military units, elect their governors, mayors, proclaim sovereignty, force the "maydauns" out of the region! And only then ask for help from Russia. Otherwise, you get an anecdote:
    I go out onto the balcony, post a poster "I want to live well"!
    I shout the wish "I want to spread red caviar on black"!
    Then I lay down on the sofa and wait for someone to realize all this for me!
  43. Aldo
    Aldo 13 March 2014 13: 49
    +1
    Russia, as always, acts rudely. If troops enter the east of Ukraine, blood will be shed. This must not be allowed. Let the East Ukrainians decide what to do in Ukraine. You just need to support them morally and financially. And blood is not water, do not be like the Nazis.
    1. Sour
      Sour 13 March 2014 14: 14
      +1
      Quote: Aldo
      Russia, as always, acts rudely.

      What does not suit you? Someone bombed Kiev?
      Russia has its troops in Crimea in accordance with the Black Sea Fleet basing agreement. She did not exceed the established limit. The Russian troops did not fire a single shot. What do you think is "Russia's rude act"? Support for a referendum?
  44. parus2nik
    parus2nik 13 March 2014 13: 50
    +2
    A chicken pecking a grain, swallowing in large chunks, you can choke .. No time .. think about the southeast .. you need to take measures, put pressure on the Nazi oligarchs slowly, support the resistance leaders .. and there .. and the time will come ... Especially constantly fresh wind from the Crimea will blow ..
  45. q_556
    q_556 13 March 2014 13: 56
    0
    I completely agree with the author! I have the same fears regarding the south-east of Ukraine: without our help they will not be able to separate (or at least defend their rights), but for some reason we are not dealt with any steps in this direction. However, for us, not only Crimea is of strategic importance, but also the Donbass, and Harbkov and many other cities. Also, cities such as Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson play a big role, because if the new Ukrainian government (pah, even calling them power disgusting) has access to the Black Sea, this will give them the opportunity to conclude an agreement with NATO on the deployment of a naval base right next to Sevastopol, which we should never allow.
  46. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 13 March 2014 13: 56
    0
    <<< By focusing all political resources only on Crimea, we are missing Donbass, Kharkiv, Odessa and other Black Sea territories ... in the east and south of Ukraine. Now these are, in fact, local, gradually fading centers of peaceful resistance to the regime. But they won't change the situation. The Kiev junta was not overthrown. >>>
    Undoubtedly, the referendum in Crimea will inspire foci of peaceful resistance to the Kiev regime that are dying down due to fragmentation and extreme pressure on them, and this chance should be used today, having provided POWER and organizational support to the protest movement (the Bandera government is not shy about using all means, including power, up to the militants and snipers, to suppress the protests)! The hope that the rapidly deteriorating economic situation in Ukraine will allow the protest movement to intensify again and lead to a fall in Kiev’s power in the Southeast may not be justified, since with the help of Western political technology, the Kiev authorities are already doing everything to channel this expected protest movement , directing it against Russia, exposing Russia and its protégé Yanukovych as the culprits of the created plight of the people and, unfortunately, can succeed in this information battle! So hit the iron while it's hot!
  47. riding
    riding 13 March 2014 14: 08
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    Many in the southeast have the opinion that the Russian Federation received Crimea in exchange for eastern Ukraine. You have to wait. For the Russian Federation to intervene in the events in the southeast, it is necessary that Kiev make even more mistakes, just get stuck in them. The split of Ukraine is a matter of 2-3 months.
    Leaders appear in the East, but they are quickly removed.
  48. Sour
    Sour 13 March 2014 14: 19
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    I think the Kremlin has calculated everything and is unlikely to fight for the Donbass in the near future. The reason is simple. Everything is clear with Crimea, there the result of the referendum is a foregone conclusion. But with the Donbass the situation is different. Familiar with a man who recently repatriated from there to Russia. He categorically claims that in Russia exaggerate pro-Russian sentiment in the Donbass. They are there, but the minority of the population.
  49. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 13 March 2014 14: 33
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    Closer to autumn, everything will be decided by itself. Why fuss.
  50. Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 13 March 2014 14: 41
    +1
    The author’s pessimism is understandable. Better to overtake than not to overtake - this is the logic. But I still hope that the next steps are calculated.