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NATO wants Ukraine

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Anders Fogh Rasmussen wants to see Ukraine and Georgia as part of the North Atlantic Alliance: the secretary general of the organization reported this directly after the regular meeting of the NATO-Russia Council, where the situation in Ukraine was a central theme. Obviously, an ally from Ukraine will turn out to be none: Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov the other day acknowledged that only 6 of thousands of Ukrainian servicemen are in combat readiness, and the country has practically no armed forces. But NATO does not need Ukrainian soldiers, but in the territory: the deployment of military bases near the western borders of Russia seems very tempting to Washington politicians.

How does NATO make the “right choice” instead of Ukraine

According to Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the United States and Europe gave the go-ahead to a military alliance with Ukraine back in Bucharest in 2008, and now Kiev still has the opportunity to sign an agreement with the North Atlantic alliance. According to the NATO Secretary General, his organization is now ready to step up relations with the new Ukrainian government and military leadership. Also, the alliance is going to engage Ukraine in various international projects to increase defense capabilities.

With surprising promptness, NATO dictates the Kiev junta with whom to be friends, and with whom it is not. It seems that the North Atlantic Alliance has long thought out every step, and plans for cooperation with Ukraine have been gathering dust in the cabinets of Western strategists since at least the time of the Bucharest summit, or maybe from 2004, when the Orange Revolution took place in Kiev.

Such a conclusion can be drawn from the comments of Russia's permanent representative to NATO, Alexander Grushko. He expressed disappointment with the outcome of the last meeting of the Russia-NATO Council and told reporters that Anders Fogh Rasmussen, without consulting with the Russian side, unilaterally made a decision to stop the North Atlantic Alliance's interaction with Russia. The Russian delegation was not even heard: in fact, the entire meeting was organized only in order to inform Alexander Grushko and his colleagues about the actions already taken by NATO.

The Russian permanent representative also drew the attention of journalists to the double standards used by the alliance: the delegates from the NATO bloc tried to portray the Ukrainian crisis as a conflict between Russia and Ukraine. At the same time, representatives of the alliance completely ignore the situation inside Ukraine, and do not pay attention to the oppression of national minorities in this country, including the Russian-speaking residents of the South-East.

Alexander Grushko noted that NATO is guided by cold war stereotypes. For example, Western countries perceive Ukraine as prey in the global confrontation with Russia, and exercise undisguised pressure on the Ukrainian public to make the "right choice".

On March 5, in the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, deputies from “Batkivshchyna” registered a bill on the country's accession to the North Atlantic Alliance. The draft law stipulates that accession to NATO and Euro-Atlantic integration should be the main strategic task in the country's foreign policy. According to the deputies, the proclamation of the non-aligned status of Ukraine in 2010 year led to a decrease in the republic’s defense capability.

Analysts believe the actions of the Verkhovna Rada are predictable. Most likely, the problem of Ukraine’s non-aligned status was discussed during the February meeting of the Ukraine-NATO Council. Representatives of the North Atlantic Alliance were able to convince the delegation from Kiev that it was better to act according to the scenario prepared in the West.

However, “Batkivshchyna” could prepare a draft law on preparing for Ukraine’s entry into NATO only out of desperation: now the unitary state is bursting at the seams, and it is important to make a good face in a bad game. It’s not a fact that Ukraine will become a member of the North Atlantic Alliance, but it is worth at least trying to stay on foreign bayonets ...

Atlantis go to Asia

But as if in Kiev they did not panic, it is symptomatic that almost immediately after the coup, the new Ukrainian authorities immediately stepped up relations with NATO. Instead of addressing domestic problems, the junta is trying to find support abroad - mainly in the West. The United States and Europe are willing to meet it. Apparently, initially everything was planned.

They want to take Ukraine into the North Atlantic Alliance as a whole, together with the Russian-speaking South-East and the Crimea, which has become a de facto independent state. In another situation, Ukraine with such “baggage” in NATO would never have been accepted, as it happened with Georgia in 2008; but now there are completely different circumstances, and Washington together with Brussels will do everything possible to strengthen military cooperation with Kiev and turn Ukraine into one of the home countries of the American military contingent.

Moreover, the Crimea could become the main trophy of the North Atlantic alliance. If it were not for the diplomatic opposition of Russia, nothing would have prevented foreign troops from conducting an “constitutional order” operation on the territory of the peninsula, as Georgia tried to do in South Ossetia several years ago.

Crimea is an ideal base for accommodation fleet. If NATO ships are based in Sevastopol, there will be a direct threat to the southern regions of Russia, especially to the North Caucasus and Stavropol Territory, where sharp bandit activization can occur. In addition, Crimea is the gateway to Rostov-on-Don and Volgograd. Having taken possession of the peninsula, the West will acquire an outpost to control the Black Sea basin and the land isthmus between the Sea of ​​Azov and the Caspian Sea.

The transformation of the Black Sea into the inland lake of the North Atlantic Alliance is part of a big game in the Middle East. Having penetrated into the North Caucasus, foreign military will have access to Azerbaijani, Iranian, Turkmen oil and gas. Hitler also had similar plans for striving for Baku oil through the Ukrainian and Volga steppes.

If Ukraine, together with Crimea, turns out to be a member of NATO, logically, the next victim of the “European integrators” should be Armenia, where the 102-I Russian military base is located.

Obviously, the West will not give up its intentions: following the results of the last meeting of the Russia-NATO Council, it became clear that neither the United States nor Europe is ready to listen to Russia, and they are trying to dictate to Moscow their rules of the game in the post-Soviet space. Fortunately, the Kremlin is not ready to be led by Western countries: the victory of radical militants in Kiev seems too ephemeral, and it remains unknown how long the current Ukrainian government will survive; probably her days are just a few weeks.

During this period, Ukraine clearly does not have time to become a member of NATO and the European Union. Maybe the association agreement with the EU will be imposed on the Western “well-wishers”, but this will not entail any practical consequences, since the new people's government, if it is formed, will obviously refuse pro-European rhetoric and will try not to drag the country into alliance with those states that sponsored the February putsch in order to make Ukraine a disenfranchised satellite of the North Atlantic Alliance and the European Union.
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  1. Canep
    Canep 13 March 2014 09: 10
    +42
    This must be prevented by any means and at any cost, right up to the start of an open war with NATO, and Putin must make it clear to NATO that he will go for EVERYTHING so that Ukraine does not get into NATO either now or in the future for 1000 years. I think the choice - Ukraine to NATO -> the third world war will sober them up.
    1. Fin
      Fin 13 March 2014 09: 43
      +4
      Quote: Canep
      Putin must make it clear to NATO that he will go to EVERYTHING so that Ukraine does not join NATO either now or in the future

      Send a couple of strategists to the shores of the United States. To Yarsa to transfer to Cuba, to Belarus, the Kaliningrad region. And in extreme cases, the valve is shut off. If China had touched the Yankees - it would have been very good.
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 13 March 2014 10: 10
        +3
        Quote: Canep
        This must be prevented by any means and at all costs, until the outbreak of an open war with NATO


        Sleeps and sees Ukraine
        Anders to NATO at night!
        Georgian choir sings along
        Blue to his dreams!

        No democrat guys
        That’s not the case!
        Here are the possessions of Russia
        Your NATO will not pass!

        NATO can now relax both at the expense of Georgia and at the expense of Ukraine! The countries I designated suddenly had territorial problems with one neighbor! And as far as I know, NATO does not accept satellites with territorial disputes! Of course, we must wait for the referendum in the Crimea, but something tells me that this is just a formality!
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 13 March 2014 16: 40
        +2
        The SSBN does not seem to me to sail to their shores ..
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    4. Mergen
      Mergen 13 March 2014 09: 48
      +20
      History repeats itself.
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      2. matross
        matross 13 March 2014 10: 02
        +6
        In the picture even the Reichstag looks like! Oh, for good reason ...
    5. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 13 March 2014 09: 57
      +5
      GDP can’t stop the entry of great ukrov into NATO, Crimea can be returned, but something can be placed in Crimea and it can be hinted that in case of which half of NATO members will receive a Mega boom on their territory. give and trade with them all freeze, then after six months they themselves from NATO will run away would have been nothing to eat.

      Of course there is a temptation to get into NATO, but what if they turn on the back one?
      And if they don’t turn it on? The war will not be comic and you will have to get up from the computers, and there you will not join the war and you will not make a reboot.

      So it’s better to do everything quietly but persistently, to include a fool, so to speak, that you didn’t join us by the Crimea, we didn’t at all chapels, oh, there’s nothing to blow up with grenades, oh, the lion’s burns so the nuclear power plant exploded without leaving, like that.
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 13 March 2014 12: 13
        +5
        accept Cuba into the Customs Union with all the consequences...... the guys behind a large puddle of amnesia apparently
        1. strannik595
          strannik595 13 March 2014 12: 37
          +3
          Signed documents on the supply of civilian Cuba aircraft from the Russian Federation and cooperation in nuclear power, as well as the cooperation of the Cuban Ministry of Foreign Trade and the Federal Customs Service of Russia. Moreover, it is possible to expand the benefits for Cuban goods on the market of the entire Customs Union (CU) of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan. As well as benefits for TS goods in Cuba. These are the first results of the visit of the Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev to Cuba.

          According to the clarification of the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov, the cost of Cuban purchases of Russian aircraft is estimated at about 650 million dollars .......maybe you need to read between the lines? wink
      2. Artyom
        Artyom 13 March 2014 20: 13
        +2
        The world community recognized Putin as the coolest alpha male, he hasn’t entered anywhere yet, and everyone around is so excited belay
    6. shalk
      shalk 13 March 2014 13: 04
      +7
      Putin must make NATO understand


      Yesterday Aleksandr Grigorievich made it clear to them by stuck in front of them a peg with a sign "Dubosekovo passing".
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 13 March 2014 14: 03
        +2
        NATO wants Ukraine
        ..... and NATU wants Russia both in Brussels, and in Ottawa, and in Washington
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 13 March 2014 23: 15
          0
          The main thing - to be foreseen, and then you never know what kind of infection will stick ...
    7. Hippopotamus
      Hippopotamus 13 March 2014 17: 11
      +3
      choice - Ukraine to NATO -> the third world war will sober them up.

      The third world, in the non-nuclear version, is the goal of the United States in order to write off its bankruptcy. The only thing that will stop them is a nuclear baton.

      At the moment, we have an indisputable trump card in our hands - Yanukovych. It is necessary that by his public request and upon personal participation involved a limited contingent of our troops in Ukraine - for the power support of the population. Next is a series of referenda in the Southeast, the liberation of Kiev, the elimination of Nazi leaders and the fiercest police control over the western regions.

      The economic benefits of reunification with Ukraine offset any Western sanctions, not to mention political advantages.
      1. Free Island
        Free Island 14 March 2014 02: 48
        0
        I think that a non-nuclear war will be enough for the United States to cease to exist in the form in which it exists now. The Great and Mighty "Army" of the United States in its entire history has not won a single war. The fact that they are constantly waging wars and as if they are all so experienced and trained - SHOOT))))) to fight the Papuans in dressing gowns and panties made of palm leaves - it's all wrong ... even a small Yugoslavia they kicked like jackals with the whole crowd , and even then for a very long time. Iraq - only 10% of the Iraqi army showed resistance to dancing, the rest was bought BUT and these 10% gave the US people to be healthy ...)))))))) So the USA is a BLOODY BRAND, inside of which there is nothing, everything is fake , cheap stuff, zilch and dust
    8. infinite silence ...
      infinite silence ... 14 March 2014 01: 10
      +2
      In Donetsk, at these minutes there is a hunt for militants who attacked a rally of opponents of the junta and supporters of the federalization of Ukraine. The attack took place around 19.00 after the militants, Euromaidan, under the guise of police began to throw firecrackers and cobblestones at a rally at the monument to Lenin. Despite the police’s attempts to seize pro-Russian activists, those with the joined townspeople dispersed about a thousandth of the Euromaidan troops, freed their own from the police bus, and now they catch militants around the city. The chant is heard: "Golden eagle", "Russia", "Well, come on, get rid of the bandar."
  2. Igor39
    Igor39 13 March 2014 09: 13
    +12
    That's it, they do not care about the economy, if only there were bases, and the rest is nonsense.
    1. makarov
      makarov 13 March 2014 09: 51
      -45%
      "Obviously, there will be no ally from Ukraine:"
      and NATO needs Ukraine only as a territory for deploying missiles. From there is the question - and who is pushing Ukraine to do this ??? Is Putin’s regime really ??? Enlightenment will come later !!!
      1. Fin
        Fin 13 March 2014 10: 04
        +22
        Quote: makarov
        and NATO needs Ukraine only as a territory for deploying missiles. From there is the question - and who is pushing Ukraine to do this ??? Is Putin’s regime really ??? Enlightenment will come later !!!

        Do you think that if the GDP did not take Crimea, then NATO would not come to Ukraine? Yes, your long-sold Yaytsenyuki and K will sign for loot all that is needed. GDP does not make such serious decisions. Pro mode verb on their sites.
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 13 March 2014 10: 35
          +7
          Quote: makarov
          From there is the question - and who is pushing Ukraine to do this ??? Is Putin’s regime really ???

          And I thought that Yushchenko, and then Yanukovych-fed empty and sweet promises of the West?

          Quote: Fin
          Do you think that if the GDP did not take Crimea, then NATO would not come to Ukraine?

          I agree with you absolutely dear Fin drinks Where does comrade come from so naive makarov (one)???
        2. Free Island
          Free Island 14 March 2014 02: 53
          +1
          the person is simply to the marrow of confidence that it was PUTIN under Yushchenko who sold the equipment and army of Ukraine to Georgia, that it was Putin who organized the Maidan, that it was Putin who kicked Ukraine in the direction of the piderastic Geyropa, that it was Putin who didn’t give free gas this way and that’s why Ukraine such problems ..
      2. Humpty
        Humpty 13 March 2014 10: 13
        +10
        Quote: makarov
        "Obviously, there will be no ally from Ukraine:"
        and NATO needs Ukraine only as a territory for deploying missiles. From there is the question - and who is pushing Ukraine to do this ??? Is Putin’s regime really ??? Enlightenment will come later !!!


        Do not consider people blind-eyed, tell me also that it was Putin who raised poison dill.
        (-), expensive .
      3. Rider
        Rider 13 March 2014 14: 01
        +1
        Quote: makarov
        "Obviously, there will be no ally from Ukraine:"
        and NATO needs Ukraine only as a territory for deploying missiles. From there is the question - and who is pushing Ukraine to do this ??? Is Putin’s regime really ??? Enlightenment will come later !!!

        n, yeah - a bad case.
        the conditions of the theorem are true, but the conclusion from the whole other opera.

        sometimes you need to think, for some it helps.
      4. Free Island
        Free Island 14 March 2014 02: 51
        +1
        Fuhrer, you're wrong))) or pushes in what way? Envy pushing that Putin is by far the most influential politician on the planet? that in 20 years he raised the COUNTRY and YOU DIDN'T succeed ??? DO YOU KNOW WHY Failed? Because you can't live according to the principle "I AM YOUR OUR", that is, to rush like a forgiving Lord from one to another, you also had to choose a course towards independence and brotherhood of peoples and friendship with neighbors)) There was no need to lick the West's ass, they have it genetically modified if Th ... There was no need to keep the US CITIZEN Yushchenko in power, who led a pro-Western policy and SOLD THE UKRAINIAN ARMY TO MISHKA SAAKASHVIL .... because now you don't have an army because of this ... and everything would be fine
      5. vikruss
        vikruss 14 March 2014 05: 36
        0
        YOU just born like yesterday
  3. bubalik
    bubalik 13 March 2014 09: 14
    +30
    Yeah, welcome ,,,, wait, sir ,,,
    1. Duke
      Duke 13 March 2014 09: 28
      +8
      Without military bases in the Black Sea, foreign military vessels can stay for no more than 21 days.
    2. vezunchik
      vezunchik 13 March 2014 09: 53
      +4
      Hitler also wanted both Ukraine and Russia ... And what did he finish ??
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      2. cumastra1
        cumastra1 13 March 2014 15: 25
        +3
        He finished badly, and NATO will end badly, and how badly all Ukrainians will finish in the next few years ....
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    4. Vladimir1960
      Vladimir1960 13 March 2014 15: 02
      +1
      This is our land! So it was and it will be so!
      1. Black
        Black 13 March 2014 15: 31
        +2
        Quote: Vladimir1960
        This is our land! So it was and it will be so!


        Really? Lying. Not yours.
        Did not have.
        It will not.
        Quote: makarov
        NATO needs Ukraine only as a territory for deploying missiles.


        Crimea is contraindicated for you. You, panting in impotent rage, are ready to lie under the soldiers and even hope to enjoy it.
        To Galicia, guys, to Galicia. When you stand on your knees, even if you do not scratch, there the grass is softer.
  4. super-vitek
    super-vitek 13 March 2014 09: 16
    -13%
    Sad but not catastrophic !!! Yes, they will be closer to our borders, well, we have something to answer !!! I just think, as it is written in the article of allies from Ukraine, not any and not only because the army is weak, the spirit of contradictions in the country itself is enough So the gentlemen from Nata will have a grudge with such an "ally", but we will wait !!!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 March 2014 09: 23
      +10
      Quote: super-vitek
      May they be closer to our borders

      Who told you, let them be? You have no idea what will happen tomorrow, but already signed for the year ahead.
      1. Canep
        Canep 13 March 2014 09: 33
        +10
        Greetings Alexander hi !
        Quote: super-vitek
        Sad but not catastrophic !!!
        super-vitek Are you stoned? Look at the map where will the NATO Air Force bases be and where will their AWACS be barred? Take a compass and mark 400 km from the border of Ukraine with Russia - this is the visibility range of the take-off of the aircraft from AWACS, 1000 km is the range of airspace control. From Sumy to Moscow, the flight time for supersonic bombers is 15 minutes. This is less than the flight time of ICBMs. In the best case, this will be used by mattresses as an argument in negotiations.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 March 2014 10: 52
          +8
          Quote: Canep
          . In the best case, this will be used by mattresses as an argument in negotiations.

          What argument does NATO have? The return will arrive such that there will be a desert in Europe. With the approach of strategists ??? - Whose strategists do not have Europe, but the United States has a separate song. And then, ours, too, are not made with a finger, Russia will not back down.
          hello, Sergey hi
          1. Vladimir1960
            Vladimir1960 13 March 2014 15: 12
            0
            I appeal to you as a moderator. Please change the flag of Ukraine next to my nickname on the flag of Russia.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 13 March 2014 15: 24
              0
              Quote: Vladimir1960
              Please change the flag of Ukraine next to my nickname on the flag of Russia.

              Address your provider or use a mask and leave Russian aipi hi
        2. super-vitek
          super-vitek 13 March 2014 16: 40
          -2
          Under the edge of the forms you yourself understood! Be quiet walk with expressions! You specifically can change something! Tryndet at a computer sitting and under summertime to calculate is not a big task, and you do something to prevent this scribbler !!!
      2. Heinrich ruppert
        Heinrich ruppert 13 March 2014 14: 49
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        You have no idea what will happen tomorrow, but already signed for the year ahead

        Hi Santilo! drinks
        I am also interested in one more tricky question .... How and at whose expense NATO wants to feed and dress these "new brothers" as well. They do not have enough of Grekov and Co.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 March 2014 15: 26
          +3
          Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
          ... How and at whose expense NATO wants to feed and clothe these "new brothers" as well. They do not have enough of Grekov and Co.

          Heinrich hi! Maybe they want to take away from ours and thereby transfer, but then ours take away everything here laughing
          Henry, what's in Germany, say German media are now on the side of Russia or are they lying?
          1. Heinrich ruppert
            Heinrich ruppert 13 March 2014 15: 43
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            what's in Germany, say German media are now on the side of Russia or are they lying?

            You know Sasha for the last two days they say little at all. They say that after March 16 they will impose sanctions against Russia. This will be expressed in the visa policy (will remain the same). Several counts will be frozen (whom they do not indicate) and some other trifle. (For me, this means agreed)
            Basically, all the channels judge the president of Bavaria, Uli Hoenes. He underpaid taxes for 27,2 million Eureka.
            My opinion (it may be erroneous) is given to Crimea by Putin, (since sanctions only after March 16). But they are afraid that the Eastern regions of Ukraine will not depart to Russia.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 13 March 2014 15: 56
              +3
              Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
              ) But they are afraid that the Eastern regions of Ukraine will not depart to Russia.

              It’s clear, but Henry, you would find an hour of time, translate a good article from the German media and post an article. And we would read here winked
              1. Heinrich ruppert
                Heinrich ruppert 13 March 2014 16: 17
                +4
                Sasha just not today. Taken to the soul more than 3 liters of beer and half a bottle of vodka, in the oven a kilo of meat. A friend will arrive soon ......... fellow
                1. Artyom
                  Artyom 13 March 2014 20: 21
                  +1
                  bastard .... nasty, but what kind of beer? drinks
                  1. Heinrich ruppert
                    Heinrich ruppert 13 March 2014 20: 29
                    +1
                    Quote: Artyom
                    bastard .... nasty, but what kind of beer?

                    Ok ok drinks You can relax for the first time in two months, relax tongue And the beer Paulaner, Munich.
            2. Anastasios
              Anastasios 13 March 2014 16: 21
              +4
              I agree, Germany is now important to exclude the domino effect. And to protect yourself from possible "Refugees" (and all western Ukraine will run on the sly) in case of failure.
              1. Heinrich ruppert
                Heinrich ruppert 13 March 2014 16: 26
                +3
                Quote: Anastas
                And to protect yourself from possible "Refugees" (and all western Ukraine will run on the sly) in case of failure.

                Absolutely true. In Garmania, and so almost all the cash desks are empty, these are new debts and so on. People have been thinking about this for a long time. Only politicians do not get to know who they are friends with.
        2. Anastasios
          Anastasios 13 March 2014 16: 14
          +3
          This question interests not only you, but also the thinking half of the inhabitants of Germany. it can be expressed in one phrase: "Shaw, again?"
      3. super-vitek
        super-vitek 13 March 2014 23: 23
        0
        Well, just like you don’t have. This is an assumption, and looking at how the government calmed down, our government, having worked in the Crimea, can’t argue quite successfully, while merging the South-East and the same Russians as Crimea, this assumption is true !!! And in a year we’ll see. But judging by how my relatives in Ukraine react to everything that happens, it seems to me that the dodgers who came to power can easily drag into NATO, and other deadly shit for Ukraine !!! And minus I’m not worth it, I’m a patriot only with a sober look at what is happening.
  5. Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 13 March 2014 09: 18
    +5
    Yes, they hit their forehead against the wall, than they will receive territory for the placement of their bases
  6. buzuke
    buzuke 13 March 2014 09: 23
    +2
    NATO is not only the United States, England, France. there are other participants, Greece and Turkey, for example. and they’ll think a lot about whether to pull in NATO (and this is a military unit for a minute) any slippery reasons for war, like Georgia and Ukraine. and they do not benefit from the entry of Georgia and Ukraine into NATO. and not only Greece and Turkey will think about it
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 13 March 2014 12: 10
      +2
      The Americans play the accordion there, the rest only dance to it. So there’s nobody to think much about, they’ve thought for them in the citadel of democracy.
  7. Name
    Name 13 March 2014 09: 24
    +6
    It was expected from the "juntats", they sold Ukraine and the Jews. fool angry
  8. pensioner
    pensioner 13 March 2014 09: 26
    +13
    Yes ... You will not envy Putin in this situation. Whoever and whatever would talk about him, but all hope is only on him. On his determination and his endurance ...
  9. omsbon
    omsbon 13 March 2014 09: 27
    +10
    If the people in Ukraine "keep silent" and wait for someone to come and decide everything, the worst predictions may come true!
    Not when NATO doesn’t slip into a country where there is a great chance to get organized resistance of the people.
  10. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 13 March 2014 09: 29
    +6
    NATO wants Ukraine laughing everybody wants"! however, wanting and having are different things! wassat
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 13 March 2014 13: 06
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      NATO wants Ukraine

      In the 40s you had to want smart ones hi
  11. promt26
    promt26 13 March 2014 09: 30
    +4
    I think that before the end of March we will find out how this mess will end. We just need to separate the soft from the warm, and then according to the situation. It is impossible to leave Ukraine in this form. I am for a complete divorce! At least two or three countries. Crimea does not count!
  12. self-propelled
    self-propelled 13 March 2014 09: 30
    +3
    Anders Fogh Rasmussen wants to see Ukraine and Georgia as part of the North Atlantic Alliance ...

    wassat well, so few people want what and where to see ...
    why Ukraine and Georgia need NATO? if as partners - then yes (only as sex partners, moreover, passive). How much will the transition of the Ukrainian army to NATO standards cost? Yatsenyuk runs around the world in search of at least some financial assistance (and is ready for any conditions). where to get money for the modernization of the army ?! Will NATO Partners Help? of course they will help - they will be shoved into second-hand debt at "cheerful" prices (and then the last trousers will certainly be removed from Ukraine and bent over) ... sad ...
    one does not need to have "seven spans in the forehead" to understand that Ukraine and Georgia are just a springboard for NATO on the border of Russia in order to ruffle her nerves. no more. just think about it - God forbid some kind of zavorushka starts - they will sweep away these "partners" at the border in the first place ...
  13. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 13 March 2014 09: 32
    +6
    "NATO wants Uraine"
    Strongly wants? ..
    Let friend ... even!
  14. - = Rusich = -
    - = Rusich = - 13 March 2014 09: 33
    +4
    An interesting precedent! It turns out that you can put on your own rules for the admission of countries to NATO, interpret them as it will be beneficial at the moment, and then be offended that we have nothing to put in. At the same time, it will also dictate to us some conditions and requirements for fulfilling obligations! Insanity grew stronger)))
  15. ed65b
    ed65b 13 March 2014 09: 38
    +4
    It’s not for nothing that Crimea wants to return it back. Dill does not recognize this, but they will not take NATO into terror problems.
  16. ZU-23
    ZU-23 13 March 2014 09: 38
    +9
    Georgians think carefully, and 2008 should have let you think, do not expose your people and your homeland to a hard blow, when NATO comes out to fight with us, we’ll grumble in all directions despite any sanctions, even Putin may no longer be to keep the angry Russian army.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 13 March 2014 09: 42
      +3
      Quote: ZU-23
      even Putin may no longer hold on to the angry Russian army.

      And last time, as far as I know, there were problems with this ...
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  17. mountain
    mountain 13 March 2014 09: 47
    +2
    Nato, Nato, did not see in battle, Buryat.))) Yes, let them dream, since they have no other problems yet.
  18. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 13 March 2014 09: 49
    0
    So what if someone wants something there, they could, would have done it long ago, and if they don’t do it, then they can’t or are afraid.
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  20. saag
    saag 13 March 2014 10: 10
    +5
    The next city, or rather a region, should, in theory, be Odessa, this is more important than the east of Ukraine
  21. koralex
    koralex 13 March 2014 10: 19
    0
    Guys! Yes, let Ukraine enter wherever it wants and through what it wants. And we are the Iskanders to Cuba, Tu-22m3 to Venezuela, astronauts with the ISS overboard ... Sa seriously, then of course there is nothing to do NATO in the east. By the way, they themselves understand this. Even if Russia is silent, then China will definitely stand on its ears. Well, if he begins to impose sanctions, then surely no one will seem to anyone.
  22. Gagarin
    Gagarin 13 March 2014 10: 35
    0
    HORROR! And where do you take such photos! ...
    Quote: bigELDAK
    NATO wants Ukraine, but what does the geyropa no longer suit?
  23. maroder24
    maroder24 13 March 2014 10: 36
    +1
    Once again showed their true goals, all the rod and the rod to the east. They take to NATO a poor and devastated country in which a civil war is boiling. Well, as usual, the main thing is to get the markets of this country, remove the competing economy, take control of resources and strengthen the influence of bases in the region. All this under the talk of freedom and democracy. When already, they will come up with something new, even somehow boring from such commonplace.
    It is time for NATO to shake hands, do not be shy to support the South-East of Ukraine in their fight against the Kiev junta.
  24. parusnik
    parusnik 13 March 2014 11: 09
    +1
    Still, European security would increase at times .. smile
  25. Loki
    Loki 13 March 2014 11: 11
    -1
    In general, are there any options to prevent, if not de jure, then de facto equipping NATO bases in Ukraine? Well, let’s subtract Crimea, but if the issue is not resolved with the whole Ukraine, then in fact they can simply not accept NATO - strengthen the Ukrainian army, including with intelligence, missile defense, radars, cruise missiles, etc. The question is not in Crimea closes, the rest of Ukraine is very important. In general, I think that they can give Crimea as an excuse to arm everything else and warm up anti-Russian sentiments.
    1. I read the news
      I read the news 13 March 2014 13: 17
      +2
      Yes, who the hell will strengthen. Not their style for free to give something.
  26. mig31
    mig31 13 March 2014 11: 24
    0
    Shaw, geynato ..., shitty. Not too tough Russian horseradish. And you try among themselves. Yes, they will refuse NATO and Americans from EU, but they will drown .... Ess ....
  27. Multicast
    Multicast 13 March 2014 12: 18
    +1
    Prevent NATO easting! I fully support! It’s time to calm down our partners in the West.
  28. romb
    romb 13 March 2014 12: 29
    +1
    It is hard to react neutrally to events in Ukraine. On the one hand, Russia in vain began this game to select Crimea. But on the other hand, who knows, if she didn’t do this, it could well have happened that Russia would have completely lost the place of deployment of its Black Sea fleet in Crimea. In any case, there is only one correct option - to be Ukraine and Russia on the same side, even if not allies, then full partners for sure. Here are just the possibilities for this, every day less and less. I am very sorry that due to various political insinuations, the fraternal peoples found themselves on opposite sides of the barricades.
    1. Black
      Black 13 March 2014 15: 45
      +2
      Quote: romb
      I am very sorry that due to various political insinuations, the fraternal peoples found themselves on opposite sides of the barricades.


      "It's not a small thing, mate Bitner!"
      G. (dad) Muller.

      I think you are mistaken calling the recent events "political innuendo". Insinuations are something small, not very significant. The United States played a geopolitical game, deliberately, stubbornly, no matter what (even against its vassals in Europe).
      Russia will lose everything if it "merges" and loses the land that belonged to it by right and conscience and betrays its people, temporarily living in this "new formation".
      People are not standing on opposite sides of the barricades yet. the Russian people, most likely, on the contrary, spurred on by recent events, will find those SCRIPTS that we have been talking about for so long.
      And these braces are called LIFE.

      These are not insinuations. This is a war for the right to live. We did not start it. But we will fight. We have thousands of years of memory and glory.
  29. PiP
    PiP 13 March 2014 12: 50
    +1
    Sometimes it seems that NATO is an organization like Herbalife. The more attracted the better. There is nothing left of the name "North Atlantic Alliance", it is time to change their name. If they want to remain Nata, let them remain in the North Atlantic, there is nothing to climb to the South and East.
  30. Earnest
    Earnest 13 March 2014 12: 56
    0
    We demand that Ukraine immediately join the EU, accept it into NATO, and until all banderlogs in reliable LGBT partners are re-educated in - do not call the TS and EAC!
    1. Thompson
      Thompson 13 March 2014 15: 25
      +1
      It’s not quite right to join everyone from the population, or rather to send there!
  31. Seryi trifon
    Seryi trifon 13 March 2014 13: 01
    +1
    It is doubtful that Ukraine will soon be able to join NATO.
    The Rooks did not join NATO, but at one time they really wanted to plant democracy in South Ossetia.
    Moreover, the Americans will not even be able to provide their territory for the NATO base, or rather, the Americans (they will be frostbitten) will not go there, because this is already the smell of a third and rather vigorous war game.
  32. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 13 March 2014 13: 09
    0
    As far as I remember, a country without territorial problems can become a member of NATO. Or will they, for the sake of Ukraine, change the installation documents on which the Alliance has been living since 1947? belay
    laughing
  33. Hamul
    Hamul 13 March 2014 13: 33
    0
    Quote: makarov
    "Obviously, there will be no ally from Ukraine:"
    and NATO needs Ukraine only as a territory for deploying missiles. From there is the question - and who is pushing Ukraine to do this ??? Is Putin’s regime really ??? Enlightenment will come later !!!

    Most importantly, NATO will not get Crimea. Well, the second question is whether Ukraine will be independent then)))))))))))))))
  34. polly
    polly 13 March 2014 13: 36
    +1
    Neighbor, look do not enter into that which smells bad ...
  35. Yarik
    Yarik 13 March 2014 13: 42
    0
    - = Rusich = - Today, 09:33
    An interesting precedent! It turns out that you can put on your own rules for the admission of countries to NATO, interpret them as it will be beneficial at the moment, and then be offended that we have nothing to put in. At the same time, it will also dictate to us some conditions and requirements for fulfilling obligations! Insanity grew stronger)))

    So they are so confident in their exceptionalism (and, it seems, quite sincerely) that it seems normal to them. It looks like a symptom of some kind of mental illness.
  36. w2000
    w2000 13 March 2014 13: 44
    +1
    Well, with Crimea, then they already definitely can’t do anything, because they managed it liquid. But if the question arises about joining NATO and some procedures begin to prepare for entry. That Russia will be forced to start a war against Ukraine, take Kiev and exponentially execute members of the Bandera junta. There is a question of living space and even survival, because Russia cannot allow the creation of enemy bases a few hundred kilometers from Moscow.
    1. indiggo
      indiggo 13 March 2014 14: 21
      0
      why start a war? there are much more effective methods
      1. withdrawal of the Russian Federation from the agreement on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons
      2. armament and training of pro-Russian forces in the South-East direction.
      3. gas leverage and market revision east.
      4. rejection of Ukrainian goods.
      and that’s not all, we have a lot of leverage
    2. Artyom
      Artyom 13 March 2014 20: 27
      +1
      I think the GDP will not wait so long, everything will be much earlier!
  37. Neophyte
    Neophyte 13 March 2014 13: 49
    0
    Georgia, upon joining NATO, forms: the Black Pantyhose women's corps and 2 brigades of janitorial soldiers who have successfully established themselves in Afghanistan. Ukraine will have to supply several corps of militants
    Maidan, resistant to a possible chemical attack, since 3 months -
    intensively sniffed the smoke of the burnt tires.
  38. uzer 13
    uzer 13 13 March 2014 14: 34
    +1
    Nevertheless, Anders blabbed about NATO’s plans, as if no one knew about them. The masks were ripped off, the snout looked out. Russia has every reason for a tough and adequate answer.
  39. konvalval
    konvalval 13 March 2014 15: 01
    0
    What the hell does NATO want. Let him ask a labeled Judah a hunchback, maybe he will give them.
  40. Thompson
    Thompson 13 March 2014 15: 21
    0
    Here the guys have to approach this issue with a different meaning:
    So, then, NATO, if we have endured so much time your outrages, lies and hypocrisy (to put it mildly very much), do not you think that you are over the top? Do not choke? And get hands on hands? And on the impudent erysipelas?
    Therefore, you just don’t give a damn about all the rules, articles, contracts, conditions ... (damn how I write a portrait from them) and just put them before the fact- HEAR NOW, WE ARE NEVER SPITING EVERYTHING, IT'S ENOUGH DOVA..NO UKRAINE NO GEORGIA WILL NEVER BE MEMBERS OF NATO! THIS IS AXIOM. In any case, whether they like it or not! Well, to the edge, if you press it completely, BECOME AGAIN THE REGIONS OF RUSSIA! and BASTA!
  41. delfinN
    delfinN 13 March 2014 15: 23
    +6
    Here is the first condition of your Wishlist:
  42. Watchman
    Watchman 13 March 2014 15: 30
    +2
    NATO needs cannon fodder. In any Iraq it is cheaper to send 5 Ukrainian soldiers than 1 American, and Ukrainians are not a pity.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 13 March 2014 18: 55
      0
      well, in Yugoslavia, Ukrainians were thrown across half of the country to storm the town hall in which the Serbian mountains were occupied ... although just a couple of meters away there were FRENCHES, ITALIANS ........ from and "eat" "European values", maybe then you will grow wiser gentlemen-brothers. Give you Europe "nenkoy" will stay ............... su .......
  43. Anatoli_kz
    Anatoli_kz 13 March 2014 15: 42
    0
    Yes, they are trying to pit the Slavs among themselves, as Bismarck still advised!
    I’m wondering - if Russia says that it wants to see Ukraine as a member of the CU, then does it see imperial manners?
    But NATO - the military bloc boldly announces its plans for expansion, and should all this be approved ??
  44. Red Army of the USSR
    Red Army of the USSR 13 March 2014 16: 08
    +3
    Quote: makarov
    "Obviously, there will be no ally from Ukraine:"
    and NATO needs Ukraine only as a territory for deploying missiles. From there is the question - and who is pushing Ukraine to do this ??? Is Putin’s regime really ??? Enlightenment will come later !!!

    Well, do you offer gas to you for free, oil for free, loans for free, and read the great writer to catch up
  45. seriy_wolk
    seriy_wolk 13 March 2014 16: 32
    +1
    Russia launched a trade war against pork from Poland and Lithuania: cases of African plague became an official pretext, writes Anna Zafesova on the website of the La Stampa newspaper, InoPressa reports.

    "From sweets to sausages. The Russian offensive against Ukraine began last November when Moscow imposed an embargo on sweets made abroad. Today, as the European Union and the United States are just beginning to discuss sanctions against Moscow, Russian consumers are already feeling first signs of war in Crimea. This time the victim was pork: Russia has not been importing pork meat produced in Lithuania and Poland since January, "the author of the article writes.

    that's what Crimean Ukraine says
    1. Artyom
      Artyom 13 March 2014 20: 35
      0
      at the expense of pork it is true, but there is one "BUT", the whole food industry of the Kaliningrad region worked on this raw material, now OURS are without work! Oh how!
  46. Sypress
    Sypress 13 March 2014 16: 38
    0
    It also seems to me that Russia's position on NATO is soft. Especially in light of recent events in Ukraine. Right now we need to speak with the fools in the language of the ultimatum, because if we now see through Ukraine, theoretically this could easily become the beginning of our end.
    1. XAHAHATE
      XAHAHATE 14 March 2014 14: 15
      0
      Let them spend more) why rush ...
  47. Ulus5
    Ulus5 13 March 2014 17: 08
    0
    Anders Fogh Rasmussen wants to see Ukraine and Georgia as part of the North Atlantic Alliance

    As the company commander, art. Lieutenant Perepelitsa (by the way hooh ..Ukrainian), during my years of service, "Here x .... all over their face!"
  48. stroporez
    stroporez 13 March 2014 18: 49
    0
    Anders Fogh Rasmussen wants to see Ukraine and Georgia as part of the North Atlantic Alliance: the Secretary General of the organization stated this directly after the end of the next meeting of the NATO-Russia Council
    - Remains, Toko chastise grandfathers-shozh you so bad wishlist shortened them? .........
  49. Refugee from Kazakhstan
    Refugee from Kazakhstan 13 March 2014 19: 28
    0
    NATO bases in Ukraine and Georgia is tomorrow's reality
  50. tnk1969
    tnk1969 13 March 2014 19: 28
    0
    Or in response, start negotiations on signing a military alliance with China (do not forget that China is watching the disputed islands with Japan and South Korea and it has plans to join Taiwan ...) and a military alliance with Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua. With the second, start negotiations on the deployment of military bases on their territory and the construction of fortified areas. Together with China. To protect Russian interests in this region. And as opposed to the American Doctrine of Monroe. Maybe you should remember the lessons of the Caribbean crisis? After all, then the Americans were forced to remove their missiles from Turkey. And now the stakes are more significant ...