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NATO goes into the sky, or "Avaksy" over Ukraine

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NATO goes into the sky, or "Avaksy" over Ukraine



Everyone already knows that NATO has sent its AWCS Avaws to the borders of Ukraine. But why? One can only guess. And now I will try to reflect on the true causes of this.

The decision that soon the sky over Poland and Romania will be controlled by NATO aircraft was made at the meeting of the Council of the North Atlantic Alliance, convened on the initiative of the Polish side. Representatives of NATO report that the use of these spy planes will enable the allied countries to get more information about the situation that is currently developing in Ukraine. At the same time, it is emphasized that the flights will take place only “over the territory of the countries-members of the alliance” (http://www.internovosti.ru/).

NDA ... What kind of information do they want to receive about the situation in Ukraine? “People from Maidan” and so give them full information. Why are there information, they are ready to give them the opportunity to build military bases on the territory of Ukraine. And what is there, I ask, to follow? But beyond the Crimea - it is possible. Even, most likely, likely. Or rather, not even for the Crimea, but for the Russian troops there. Well, we have long known about the unscrupulousness of the United States. But why not get flustered in the Russian leadership? Yes, alarmed, just did not file the form. However, they were not alarmed because of "Avaksov", but because of what. During the riots in Ukraine, Igla man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS) were stolen from the country's military depots. This was reported by RIA "News"With reference to the high-ranking Ukrainian military. AirBaltic aircraft continue to operate regular flights from Riga to Kiev. According to the military, several dozens of “Igla” complexes were stolen. In particular, the shortage of MANPADS was registered in the 80-th separate airmobile regiment, where the 54 kit was located, and in the 27-th separate mobile brigade, stationed in 45 km from Lviv, where 90 kits were stored (http://vesti.lv/) .

Of course, you ask: “So what? Well, stolen and stolen. ” And if you look at the situation from the other side? Stole where? In Lviv. Nearby, to be precise. And this is already close to the territory of Poland, from which Avaksy will take off. Smacks of serious provocation. Therefore, Russia is not in a hurry to make loud statements about this. After all, any word can be, as they say, used against us.

And about “Avaksov” I will say this: nothing now does not prevent and cannot prevent the Crimea from joining Russia.
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  1. Canep
    Canep 13 March 2014 07: 58
    +24
    As I understand the author of "Igloi", they want to bring down AWACS and blame Russia for this ....
    fool fool fool
    1. AWACS is worth a lot of money.
    2. How to connect Russia with a downed aircraft in eastern Europe?
    3. The plane "Igloi" can be shot down during takeoff and landing, even with the approach "Igla" will not reach the plane.
    4. As far as I know AWACS flies at an altitude greater than civilian planes fly. There he is not available to "Needle" at all.
    And these MANPADS Sashko Bily most likely will drive the Mujahideen.
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 13 March 2014 08: 03
      +7
      Well, I realized that NATO is leaving for x .. good hi
      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 13 March 2014 08: 09
        +5
        Well, I realized that NATO is leaving for x .. good hi


        Russian fighters relocated to Belarus
        MINSK, Mar 12 - RIA Novosti, Alexey Buchchin. Russian fighters are being relocated to Belarusian airfields, Oleg Dvigalev, commander of the Air Force and Air Defense Forces of Belarus, told reporters on Wednesday.



        “Today I got the task of working out the issues of building up the air defense duty forces of the Unified Regional Air Defense System of Belarus and Russia. The joint action plans provide for the relocation of both the aviation component of Belarus to Russian airfields and the Russian aviation to airfields in Belarus, ”said Dvigalev.

        “Realizing the situation in the Unified Regional Air Defense System, I started to work out the issues of building up air defense on-duty forces directly on the territory of Belarus. Today, in agreement with the Russian side, a decision was made to relocate Russian fighters to our airfields, ”he continued.

        According to the commander, Belarusian airfields are ready to receive Russian aviation. “We already carry out combat duty tasks together with the Russians in our territory since December 2013. Two rotations have already passed, ”he said.

        http://news.mail.ru/politics/17352374/?frommail=1
      2. CALL.
        CALL. 13 March 2014 08: 12
        +9
        Well, we have known about the unscrupulousness of the United States for a long time.


        And prepared an answer in advance




      3. AVV
        AVV 13 March 2014 12: 45
        0
        Quote: ZU-23
        Well, I realized that NATO is leaving for x .. good hi

        NATO goes to heaven after the Heavenly Black Hundred !!!
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    3. Duke
      Duke 13 March 2014 08: 04
      +2
      It seems that the author wrote about the planes of this company
      AirBaltic aircraft continue to operate regular flights from Riga to Kiev.
      .
      1. Rus86
        Rus86 13 March 2014 08: 06
        +3
        it is unlikely that these will be targets, who brings them mercenaries - instructors? "Riga sprats". (delicious contagion)
    4. kagorta
      kagorta 13 March 2014 08: 10
      +3
      Doku Umarov is more likely if he is alive.
      1. rasputin17
        rasputin17 13 March 2014 08: 30
        +3
        Kadyrov promised to write a ticket to Sasha if he wants to meet with him !!
    5. rasputin17
      rasputin17 13 March 2014 08: 22
      +4
      And these MANPADS Sashko Bily most likely will drive the Mujahideen.


      There is a proposal: throw off the whole world and order Sasha Bilogo! You never know what in his sick head seditious what dirty tricks and stupidities are ripening. Crush this nits while he has not yet broken any firewood !! negative
    6. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 13 March 2014 08: 44
      +1
      Quote: Canep
      As I understand the author of "Igloi", they want to bring down AWACS and blame Russia for this ....

      Foreign observers will fly to AWACS in Crimea? That is the question. It would be nice to find out a list of all observers and pay attention to who will refuse to fly at the last moment, well, as an option. hi
      1. alex-s
        alex-s 13 March 2014 09: 27
        0
        Foreign observers will fly to AWACS in Crimea?

        Before the referendum, the sky over the Crimea was closed, away from sin!
    7. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 13 March 2014 09: 03
      +1
      Avax needle can not be reached, even if the Lord himself will direct.
      But the civilian plane taking off from Borispol is easy, and blaming polite saboteurs for this, they will find an excuse, that is what they can.
    8. Nikich
      13 March 2014 09: 47
      0
      Well, not just too much. it has long been out of date
    9. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 13 March 2014 10: 14
      +1
      4. As far as I know AWACS flies at an altitude greater than civilian planes fly. There he is not available to "Needle" at all.
      I do not agree with this paragraph!
      At altitudes of more than 12 km, the atmosphere is more rarefied and the partial pressure of oxygen decreases. If up to 12 km in the case of depressurization, this is offset by an increase in oxygen content from 21% to 100% max by 12 km (breathe into the mask carefully dropped out of the box during depressurization), then this focus will not pass above 12 km, due to the low partial pressure of o2 it doesn’t wake up, therefore, 1-oxygen must be supplied already under excess pressure (up to 1000 mmHg at altitudes of 17-18 km) i.e. minimum equipment in the form of a protective helmet, an oxygen mask, a height-compensating kosyutma and an oxygen system for each crew member. With this approach, not even Mriya is enough. In addition, the pictures are that NATO, that ours clearly say that the operators have no such means of protection ((

      Although history knows 2 exceptions, these are the supersonic Tu144 and Concorde, when flying at altitudes of 17 km in case of a cabin depressurization, the entire crew of the Concorde was threatened with inevitable death, the Tu144 was more humane, Tupolev also relied on "reliability", but the pilots were ordered to enter the cockpit close and change into high-altitude compensating suits. This was done solely for psychological support, so that they would not feel like a kamikaze, although the passengers were still threatened with inevitable death.
      Therefore, I suspect that they fly no higher than Tu154go.
  2. Sibiriya
    Sibiriya 13 March 2014 08: 02
    +4
    No Avax is a little more serious
    They want to have goals for their serious stuff.
    but it will not help them
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 13 March 2014 08: 22
      +1
      Hmm, the author asks a question ... Strange, in my opinion everything is obvious. For what purposes and tasks was Avax created? Oh too ...
  3. saag
    saag 13 March 2014 08: 02
    +2
    Avax either on takeoff or landing can be landed with a needle, and even they take off, as I understand it from Germany, a dubious provocation, rather, the needles were stolen for something else
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 13 March 2014 08: 27
      +2
      The AWACS will be monitored from the territory of Belarus and kept at the sight of the Batkin air defense forces, transmitting the air defense on the Crimean peninsula that is part of the Black Sea Fleet, plus its constant coordinates and central control from military satellites!
  4. Rus86
    Rus86 13 March 2014 08: 03
    +3
    current if on takeoff) or in the parking lot. but then rgd or f1 is more useful and more productive. though, xs.
  5. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 13 March 2014 08: 05
    +3
    If the stolen needles were such a super-weapon, as the author believes, then they could guarantee the sovereignty of the Russian Federation without nuclear weapons.
    Seriously, what is the gain from an Avax needle attack? Even if in such a circumstance that the needle simply does not finish up to Avax.
    I think that the right sector and its dolls in Kiev have prepared needles to repel Russian air raids if they take place in the future, because Ukrainian army has not yet decided on a party to the conflict.
  6. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 13 March 2014 08: 08
    +6
    Quote: Canep
    As I understand the author of "Igloi", they want to bring down AWACS and blame Russia for this ....
    I don’t think for the "Awax", I doubt it, but to fill up some important board from the territory of the Russian Federation ... and other loud provocations can arrange. shitty thing with this "missing" needles ...
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 13 March 2014 08: 33
      +7
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      shitty thing with this "missing" needles

      It seems that the "President-S" complex has begun to be installed on the turntables, although I'm not saying for sure.

  7. Dimkin
    Dimkin 13 March 2014 08: 10
    +5
    Something confuses me that you can shoot down the AWAC with a needle, as they said, or during takeoff and when landing. Awax is soon needed to coordinate fire in case of anything, to detect our movements. And thus the mattress makers want to show the junta that they haven’t been thrown yet, so "yap the pug at the elephant"
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 13 March 2014 09: 24
      +1
      As much as possible. Given that they shoot a couple. Two damaged engines on takeoff or landing - this is a 100% accident. And for such a goal and 5 missiles is not a pity.
  8. nokki
    nokki 13 March 2014 08: 10
    +6
    Quote: Canep
    And these MANPADS Sashko Bily most likely will drive the Mujahideen.



    Most likely, they are needed for terrorist acts in Russia. Alas, this is most likely the case ...
  9. Sonik
    Sonik 13 March 2014 08: 19
    +1
    you need to look at the year of production and modernization of Avax, if the old one is possibly a provocation, if the new ones are not 100% down. Americans easily sacrifice junk.
  10. Sonik
    Sonik 13 March 2014 08: 21
    +1
    Avax is a secure communication for agents, intelligence and more.
  11. mabuta
    mabuta 13 March 2014 08: 28
    +6
    Yes, Avaxes flew even during the USSR. They did not look much, and they did not look out. With modern means of communication and electronic warfare, Avax no longer makes a stunning impression. Maybe aerodromes are being watched. Http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/707 /bdmm439.jpg
  12. Sleeping
    Sleeping 13 March 2014 08: 40
    +2
    In any case, the needles will be used for terrorist attacks or militants from the Caucasus or fascists from Ukraine. It is easy to transport MANPADS.
  13. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 13 March 2014 08: 59
    +1
    still full of warehouses left on the territory of Ukraine, it is necessary to destroy them with targeted strikes and thereby prevent the deaths of many people!
  14. Ivan Denikin
    Ivan Denikin 13 March 2014 09: 01
    +2
    By the way, "Avaks" are still flowers. From March 12 (to March 16.03, inclusive), the banderlog allowed emergency observation flights (with the departure point of the Boryspil International Airport) over the territory of the ARC of foreign aircraft: SAAB-340B of the Swedish Air Force and OS-135B of the US Air Force, allegedly in accordance with Ukraine's international obligations in the field of arms control "Treaty on Clean Skies".
    Here it is. Flights have already begun. Here you have the intelligence from the territory.
  15. de bouillon
    de bouillon 13 March 2014 09: 03
    +1
    we are talking about Avax E-3 they only inspect airspace

    If they need to explore the land, then this Jistar E-8 is needed, but they are not.

    And what will Avax see there? It still can’t reach the Crimea.
  16. Stiletto
    Stiletto 13 March 2014 09: 05
    +1
    Needles are a good, mobile and very practical thing, I think they were embossed for a reason, not for a banal gain. However, anything can be expected from the new Ukrainian pseudo-power. No matter how these units could get to the nuclear power plant, then it will not seem to anyone, including the old woman-Geyropa.
  17. 0255
    0255 13 March 2014 09: 06
    +1
    By the way, they broadcast on the radio that NATO would not share intelligence with Ukrainians received from Avaks. Not much states trust their henchmen
  18. Iron Mike
    Iron Mike 13 March 2014 09: 21
    +4
    Quote: tilovaykrisa
    Avax needle can not be reached, even if the Lord himself will direct.
    But the civilian plane taking off from Borispol is easy, and blaming polite saboteurs for this, they will find an excuse, that is what they can.

    Do not blaspheme. In general, Avax is quite easy to shoot down on takeoff and landing, like a regular passenger plane. Avax without cover by air defense systems or fighter jets are not used just because of their high vulnerability. They are very clumsy and have a low speed. And they are used mainly for reconnaissance and control of air combat or coordination of troops. Morally obsolete for reconnaissance, very noticeable. For reconnaissance use satellites. This is so, Ponte.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 13 March 2014 09: 27
      +1
      Ponty is not a show-off, but this infection "shoots" the airspace within a radius of 400 km with a patrol duration of 11 hours. On the route, only the S-300/400 will get it, and even then not always.
  19. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 13 March 2014 09: 32
    +1
    1. Bring to banderlog information that Obama will pay for the downed AWACS in gold. laughing
  20. aepocmam
    aepocmam 13 March 2014 09: 39
    0
    If everything works out with the Crimea, I think the Chinese will begin to think about Formosa ...
  21. Gagarin
    Gagarin 13 March 2014 09: 45
    +1
    These flown AWACS are nothing more than a demonstration of the seriousness of the intentions of the United States.
    WE PUT ON THEIR INTENTIONS!
  22. Stiletto
    Stiletto 13 March 2014 10: 23
    0
    Our business is to warn the mattresses that the banderlogs have Needles, and Avax is not safe to fly nearby. And the fact that he will be overwhelmed with C-300 is the tenth matter. We warned ...
    1. Nikich
      13 March 2014 10: 44
      0
      Yeah, and also to report a violation of human rights and the foundations of democracy by these flights wink
  23. Leshka
    Leshka 13 March 2014 11: 59
    0
    they just want to scare us
  24. shalk
    shalk 13 March 2014 15: 56
    0
    Everyone already knows that NATO has sent its Avax AWACS planes to the borders of Ukraine. But why? One can only guess.


    Why guess? Normal psychological bullying. Russia is doing exactly the same thing.
  25. uhu189
    uhu189 13 March 2014 18: 45
    +1
    A strange conclusion was made by the author of the article, very far-fetched. Even if we assume that the Needle will capture thermal radiation from the engines of the flying E-3 Sentry, and if we assume that it can get it and it flies at altitudes below 5 km, and the rocket detaches itself from the thermal traps that it is equipped with, then there’s a chance to bring down such a large plane with such a small rocket is not very high. And even if this can be done, then what does Russia have to do with it, if it flies over the territory of Poland? Well, at least kill me, but I do not understand the author