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US plans to independently produce Russian engines

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US plans to independently produce Russian enginesThe United States determines the cost of the opportunity to establish licensed production of Russian rocket engines RD-180 in American territory.


This was confirmed at a meeting with journalists, answering questions from the ITAR-TASS correspondent, US Deputy Secretary of the Air Force Eric Fanning.

He highly appreciated the interaction of Moscow and Washington in the framework of the project for the procurement of RD-180 engines by the American side. “The partnership that we have with Russia on this engine, it seems to me, is extremely important for both our countries ... This is a strong, multi-year partnership ... Deliveries to us (ie the USA) RD-180 are One of many examples of long-term collaboration, ”Fanning emphasized.

According to him, the USA has a stock of RD-180 purchased from Russia, which allows launching heavy Atlas-5 launch vehicles on which this engine is installed in the foreseeable future. It includes the current and next years, as well as "a significant part of 2016".

Since this is a “critical part” of the US space launch program, the US “would like to have a more diverse proposal” and not rely on only one manufacturer in this regard, the Deputy Air Minister said. According to him, the American side “is exploring how this could be achieved, how much it would actually cost to create a production line of this engine in the US, if we received a license” for this. “A business analysis is now being conducted on this issue, and the effectiveness of such investments is being considered,” the specialist noted.

According to him, the US Air Force is closely monitoring the “current situation in bilateral (Russian-American) relations to make sure that we can protect these supplies” of the RD-180 engine in the United States. “As far as I know, no one was in favor” for breaking this collaboration, Fanning said. "I have not seen anything from one side (neither Russia nor the United States), indicating that these supplies are under threat ... I did not see any signs that the relations within which we receive these engines are under threat, ”added the deputy minister.

The fact that the US Air Force intends to explore the prospects for the deployment of the licensed assembly of the RD-180 in the United States, reported in February, a specialized US weekly "Space News". He referred to orders issued by the head of the US Air Force Space Command, General William Shelton.

RD-180 are created by NPO Energomash. In the USA, they adapt to the Russian-American joint venture RD-Amros. As previously reported by the head of RD-Amros, Bill Parsons, the current contract for the supply of RD-180 engines to the US is concluded before the end of 2018. Commenting last October on the possibility of assembling RD-180 under license in the USA, he said that this would lead to an increase in the cost of such products by 50 percent.

However, Shelton said in an interview with Space News that he was skeptical about this kind of assessment. "Of course, there are people who are driven by their own motivation, leading to the emergence of such statements," - said Shelton.

At the same time, he indicated that at this stage he was not at all concerned about the reliability of RD-Amros as an engine supplier. The question is whether the US authorities want to "protect themselves from possible future concerns about the reliability of the supply of RD-180 engines," the general explained. According to him, “this is truly a matter of national security.”
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  1. andrei332809
    andrei332809 12 March 2014 09: 10
    +15
    and who will sell them the license? and how will they build without a Russian techolukha who will not be allowed into the state due to sanctions?
    1. Samaritan
      Samaritan 12 March 2014 09: 14
      +5
      And who will ask us ?! They will do it, and there, even though the grass is not growing, will they do it ???
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 12 March 2014 09: 21
        +5
        Quote: Samaritan
        will they do ???

        "After assembly, carefully file with a file." laughing
        1. elmi
          elmi 12 March 2014 10: 28
          +4
          In no case! Do not give them a license to build RD-180 engines! let them depend on us. They are now in the light of the desire to impose sanctions against us, because of the situation in Ukraine, they realized that in some ways they depend on us.
          1. 120352
            120352 12 March 2014 11: 47
            0
            Why not give it? Only everything is in Russian and the dimensions are metric. Never translate into your inches! Periodic infinite fractions arise during translation there, and this is incomprehensible to them! Let them spend their denyuzhku on the acquisition of TDs from us, and then on attempts to transfer them to their system of measures. Puff, puff, do something, but they will not fly. Or fly, but not there. The second option should be provided when selling documentation.
            1. schizophrenic
              schizophrenic 12 March 2014 14: 42
              +1
              Quote: 120352
              Never translate into your inches!

              Our translated American and British TD coped and mattresses will translate if necessary. The fact is that it will be expensive and even more expensive will be put into production. I doubt that they will be able to build another engine on the basis of the RD-180, because according to the documentation you can build, but you need to learn to develop.
          2. bvi1965
            bvi1965 12 March 2014 12: 33
            0
            Commenting on the issue of the possibility of assembling the RD-180 under a license in the USA in October last year, he said that this would lead to an increase in the cost of such products by 50 percent.

            I think soon these 50 percent will decrease and quite significantly.
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 12 March 2014 10: 01
        +5
        Quote: Samaritan
        And who will ask us ?! They will do it, and there, even though the grass is not growing, will they do it ???

        China has been trying to do our aviation for many years, while in a joke about how one Armenian institute of the food industry didn’t make pavidlo from der @ ma, when asked about the results, they answered the following- There are certain successes fellow !!! Smeared on bread fellow !! But there are problems - the smell and taste have become unchanged wassat .
    2. Gromily4
      Gromily4 12 March 2014 09: 14
      +3
      So they seem to have a license since 1996, but they don’t do anything.
      http://malchish.org/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=363&pop=1&page=0&
      Itemid = 1
      "Moreover, having bought out a license from Russia in 1996 for the manufacture of RD-180 engines, they have not been able to master its production!"
      1. Niki
        Niki 12 March 2014 10: 06
        +3
        Yes, yes, even without searching the Internet, I remember that in those years they bargained for a license and there was indignation that we were selling the technology ourselves, and they were told in response, like, they still couldn’t do it without us.
    3. saber1357
      saber1357 12 March 2014 22: 43
      0
      And besides the issue of the license, it will be approximately according to this amer scenario:

      “Hee, John, these damned Russians are shutting off our air again. We have to produce our engines and call them Merlin-Ferlin, well, remember how SpaceX with its Falcon-9 turned it over - they ripped up the Russian RD-108 a little and pasted the Merlin. Listen, how much will it cost us to turn the RD-180 into our Ferlin?

      - Hee Bob, it's just that - $ 15 billion!

      - Why are you, John, ohhh ... wasn’t that what, why the hell ?!

      -So for a smaller amount through the Senate, NASA’s new budget with an engine can’t be extended ...

      etc"

      So let them do it ....
  2. Max otto
    Max otto 12 March 2014 09: 11
    +2
    As they say - forward to the mines!
  3. maks-101
    maks-101 12 March 2014 09: 11
    +2
    but what about sanctions or into space there’s nothing to fly on.
  4. man_of_war
    man_of_war 12 March 2014 09: 12
    +1
    Well, the Yankees are stirring, apparently I understand that things can smell like kerosene if the GDP gets tired. And he will leave them without space ....
  5. Trailer
    Trailer 12 March 2014 09: 13
    +1
    And on the back of the pic .... not necessary?
  6. AleksPol
    AleksPol 12 March 2014 09: 14
    +1
    Without a Russian sledgehammer and some kind of mother, h.r.e. lol
    1. Ivan Russky
      Ivan Russky 12 March 2014 09: 24
      +4
      Anecdote in the topic:

      Americans bought a plane from the Russians
      Collected, the engine turned out
      Dismantled, assembled again the engine.
      Specialists are called from Russia
      He carefully examined this engine
      And says
      -Well how stupid you are
      It is written here
      After assembly, file
      laughing
  7. ikken
    ikken 12 March 2014 09: 17
    +4
    Do not give them anything, they are curtailing cooperation, so let them "saw" a new engine for themselves. Good luck!
  8. JonnyT
    JonnyT 12 March 2014 09: 19
    +3
    100% these bugs have a supply of our engines ...... but talking about licensed assembly in the USA is a real fantasy! It is naive to believe that they will be able to arrange the production of such high-tech equipment in such a short time if, until recently, American scientists could not even understand how this engine works !!! And who will sell them the license ??? If only on a dead end branch of development!
  9. from punk
    from punk 12 March 2014 09: 19
    +2
    Houston we have a problem recourse
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 12 March 2014 09: 23
      0
      Quote: punk
      Houston we have a problem

      what is it with us? this is houston repeat
  10. sinukvl
    sinukvl 12 March 2014 09: 21
    +12
    No, you guys, what kind of fools are holding us, you are sanctioning us, and we are dreaming of a license for you to produce an engine! You also have to suffer because of your bad head! So (see below) to you!
  11. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn 12 March 2014 09: 24
    +5
    Strange statements by the Americans. We will sanction you, but you continue to supply us with engines. They go by the forest
  12. Aleksandr12
    Aleksandr12 12 March 2014 09: 24
    +3
    Will introduce sanctions - will remain without space smile . The Chinese, too, will not sell them anything, as they themselves need. So America impose sanctions against yourself lol
  13. SAM0SA
    SAM0SA 12 March 2014 09: 24
    +1
    Production will be adjusted, staff will be tightened - the standard of living there anyway will be more for techies ... sad
  14. Ural guys
    Ural guys 12 March 2014 09: 25
    +1
    But what about copyright?
    Well, yes they are on them from a great height ...
    As for the license, it can be revoked, then what?
    Or again, as in the 70s. will run with the minicamera in factories and take pictures?
    So in terms of security (especially secret production), our defense industry has gone very far. so this number will not work with the Americans!
    Although what else can you be surprised if the Yankees move around Moscow only by compass ?!
  15. Cossacks
    Cossacks 12 March 2014 09: 27
    0
    speculators in their role
  16. stayer
    stayer 12 March 2014 09: 27
    +1
    Usa space program is dropping. Sanctions are a double-edged sword.
    1. Sochi
      Sochi 12 March 2014 09: 33
      0
      about one thing ... aiming at someone else's - you get your own way.
  17. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 12 March 2014 09: 29
    +1
    It is necessary to introduce sanctions against the ban on outer space against America!
    And at night whisper that the price is Alaska!
  18. darksoul
    darksoul 12 March 2014 09: 31
    0
    Quote: andrei332809
    and who will sell them a license?



    and who sold to the Chinese? Us China is missing
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 12 March 2014 09: 55
      0
      Quote: darksoul
      and who sold to the Chinese?

      in this case a little different. if the main fighters for copyright violate them (and you can’t hide them in such a sector), then who will observe this? and the show industry (and this is a lot of the Yankees), Hollywood will have a full alles-kaput. And showmen will have more popular cosmos, so ... request
  19. Kisso4kin
    Kisso4kin 12 March 2014 09: 47
    0
    Let the cock lick!
  20. Mviktor
    Mviktor 12 March 2014 09: 48
    0
    According to him, the USA has a stock of RD-180 purchased from Russia, which allows launching heavy Atlas-5 launch vehicles on which this engine is installed in the foreseeable future. It includes the current and next years, as well as "a significant part of 2016".

    What kind of cattle helps Americans put a space missile defense system
    1. spech
      spech 12 March 2014 10: 49
      0
      so let the engines from Saturn-5go and put, but yes they lost the documentation belay
  21. shitovmg
    shitovmg 12 March 2014 09: 50
    0
    The Americans will let off steam, their eyebrows will darken, they will scratch their tongue, their lips will be puffed and muttered offended: yes choke, you, your Ukraine ...
  22. Alex toll
    Alex toll 12 March 2014 09: 57
    0
    Yes schatstst still to present to you? We can purple ZZZZaaaallll ....... on the collar))))
  23. kare
    kare 12 March 2014 10: 01
    +1
    In general, it looks strange, there is a license, what’s the matter? Help establish production?
    It’s necessary, it’s necessary to help. Well, so that it wouldn’t fly at the right moment, or fly, but in the right direction am
  24. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 12 March 2014 10: 10
    +1
    He highly appreciated the interaction of Moscow and Washington in the framework of the project for the procurement of RD-180 engines by the American side. “The partnership that we have with Russia on this engine, it seems to me, is extremely important for both our countries ... This is a strong, multi-year partnership ... Deliveries to us (ie the USA) RD-180 are One of many examples of long-term collaboration, ”Fanning emphasized.

    Yeah, how do they need to sell something, is so important cooperation, but as a problematic issue in different countries - sit Russia, otherwise we will impose sanctions ?!
    And "from the screw" ?! Stop selling engines, sell to other countries, first!
    What else is ours they lack? Do we buy waste from the meat industry from them under the guise of quality meat?
    Do not take - raise your farms! Etc !!!
  25. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn 12 March 2014 10: 15
    0
    IMHO, the answer should always be symmetrical. As they say - you are me, I am you. In the same way, curtail cooperation on the most sensitive topics for them and not succumb to such affectionate songs. And then - where it is beneficial for us - we will turn off, where it is unprofitable to turn off - we will continue cooperation. No, that's enough. We traveled on our groundwork. Basta. Fly in a balloon.
  26. fisherman
    fisherman 12 March 2014 11: 10
    +2
    making an engine is not a trivial task, it is not an iPhone, it is a high-tech product with a high added intellectual component, dumb copying will not work here, ask the Chinese, they know
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 12 March 2014 12: 25
      0
      fisherman
      making an engine is not a trivial task, it is not an iPhone .....,

      Pancake! Well said!
      This comment would be given to Medvedev to read!
      Maybe then I didn’t run with iPhones, but I would do business like Vova!
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  27. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 12 March 2014 11: 50
    0
    Need to sell. If you started talking about a license, then in principle you’ve already figured out how to do it, and if necessary, they’ll do it without a license. In addition, they now still only think that it is cheaper to do it themselves or buy from us. In America, these engines for any will cost more than ours. In addition, you can register anything you like in the license, for example, the exact number of engines produced and the prohibition on selling to third countries. And then, when they sit on the Russian rocket and propulsion needle, twist their arms threatening sanctions.)
    1. Multicast
      Multicast 12 March 2014 12: 23
      +1
      Are you also twisting your hands in China?
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 12 March 2014 17: 01
        0
        We would have twisted, but you do not give (did not give). In the first word, you sell any secrets and technologies. I am sure that if Ukraine owned the production technology of these engines, it would have long been transferred to America without question.
  28. Multicast
    Multicast 12 March 2014 12: 22
    0
    In fact, in the light of such events and such sharp skirmishes between the USA and Russia - now to write that someone will give a license and send their specialists to the USA - hmmm it’s somehow even disgusting to hear about this))) i.e. for some Russians we will close accounts and close their companies, and for other Russians we will give a visa to build a factory for mega cool engines ... Well, they really don’t understand what they’re talking about. Dumb American politics.
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 12 March 2014 12: 29
      0
      Multicast
      Well, really they don’t understand what they’re talking about. Dumb American politics.

      The grimace of capitalism!
      Politics and business are two different things ... although they depend on each other!
      Who does not like the sanctions lobbying for their failure!
      In business, as in politics, and in politics, as in business - the people are nothing - grandmas all!
      This is power and life to the heart!
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  29. project sity
    project sity 12 March 2014 12: 27
    0
    And yet the Americans have humor. Sanctions are put forward for us, and we are the engine of the kha ... here you need to chew and spit it out.
  30. Vyacheslav73
    Vyacheslav73 12 March 2014 12: 30
    -1
    Quote: elmi
    In no case! Do not give them a license to build RD-180 engines! let them depend on us. They are now in the light of the desire to impose sanctions against us, because of the situation in Ukraine, they realized that in some ways they depend on us.


    I think that a new engine is already ready, so the old one should be sold at a higher price. Let them fly on our junk ... (so would be in everything). Glory to Russia!
  31. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 12 March 2014 12: 31
    0
    Or maybe they can still offer a gravitsapu?
  32. ed65b
    ed65b 12 March 2014 12: 33
    0
    Sell ​​a license; do not sell; they will not be able to do it for 20 years, they have been trying but fail. Litsuha is needed to build production using our technologies and our specialists. that's all. they don’t have and never will, or an article idle talk. There was a speech and a great article by the designer of this miracle. he put everything on the shelves. google 2 sec find, read.
  33. bubla5
    bubla5 12 March 2014 12: 39
    0
    It is written that the release of these engines in the cc will increase the cost by at least 50%
  34. staric
    staric 12 March 2014 13: 02
    +1
    with what engines did they fly to the moon if they need our old rd-180 for a shot ?????
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 12 March 2014 13: 11
      +1
      Quote: staric
      with what engines did they fly to the moon if they need our old rd-180 for a shot ?????

      At the core, like Mungausen!
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  35. Multicast
    Multicast 12 March 2014 13: 46
    0
    And yet how life puts everything in its place - I am personally very happy! When the United States invested all its power in the army - the USSR built for centuries and did not forget the defense)))
  36. kelevra
    kelevra 12 March 2014 19: 22
    0
    Well, no! Let us build typewriters and slap their dirty dollars! And then we will supply Brighton Beach in Brooklyn (who doesn’t know, there are about a million of ours living there) and arrange autonomy!
  37. Shatt
    Shatt 12 March 2014 22: 59
    0
    It is necessary to impose sanctions against them, stop selling engines. Or raise the price 3 times
  38. razved
    razved 14 March 2014 20: 43
    0
    Fuck them, not a license. They themselves want to impose sanctions against Russia, so now let them jump on them, like hell.