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Will the government go to rapprochement with the Kazakh nationalists?


The Ukrainian crisis has awakened the Kazakh nationalists who were still dozing in their “circles of interests”. Earlier this week, they announced their intention to gather all the protest forces on April 12 to announce an anti-Eurasian forum. It is not clear how the authorities reacted to this statement, but there is no doubt that Ak-Orda will not sit back.

The Kazakh opposition is often characterized by the epithet “tame”, and the recent история with the devaluation of the tenge clearly demonstrated this. Opponents of the authorities didn’t show themselves at all these days, unless a portion of sharp criticism in social networks. Kazakh nationalists also preferred to keep silent, although today they are called the only force that can still stir up the people. Perhaps the national-patriotic organizations themselves are weak, but almost the majority of the state-forming ethnos, the Kazakhs, are behind them. And the degree of threat posed by this protest group is well recognized in Ak-Horde.

Take, for example, the Eurasian Union, which will begin to fully function on January 1 and 2015. His opponents in the face of the Kazakhs, who fear for the independence of the country, are quite enough to predict a possible repetition of the Ukrainian scenario in Kazakhstan. Moreover, the events in the “Square”, in the opinion of political scientist Talgat Mamyrayymov, can be projected on how Russia will act when creating the Eurasian Union in relation to Kazakhstan. “It will force us into joining it in every way,” he is confident, “including with the help of power tools. And therefore, Ak-Orda is now working to create logistics to secure its relations with Moscow and neutralize possible risks. In particular, it is trying to strengthen ties with the Turkic world in order to create a certain circle of strategic partners that can be relied upon to exacerbate the situation on the issue of Eurasian integration. ”

But it is precisely the advances of the Kazakh leadership with Pan-Turkism that inspire the growth of support for this generally anti-Russian doctrine in the country, Ukrainian political scientist Mikhail Plavl believes, fearing that the consequences of this process may not be the most optimistic. “In my opinion, the situations with the Russian-speaking, Russian and Russian-cultural community in Ukraine and Kazakhstan are not identical. Nevertheless, if the conflict in Ukraine is more cultural in nature, in Kazakhstan the “watershed” is purely ethnic. This is the complexity of Ukraine and the risks of Kazakhstan. Anyway, in Ukraine it is impossible to imagine ethnic cleansing. As for Kazakhstan, if we are talking purely hypothetical, there civil conflict can take such threatening forms, ”said a political expert in an interview with Radiopoint.

In a word, everything logically goes to the fact that the Kazakh authorities can gain courage and abandon the dangerous union. In addition to external strategic partners, it will need the support of society in the face of Kazakh nationalists. It is likely that the official announcement of the anti-Eurasian forum is the beginning of the whole campaign ...

In order to assess the potential for cooperation between the authorities and the national-patriotic movement, we turned to domestic experts studying these processes with the question: “Do you think the government will start flirting with Kazakh nationalists, fearing a repetition of the Ukrainian events in Kazakhstan?”.

Marat Shibutov, representative of the Association of cross-border cooperation:

“Our authorities are a class much higher than Yanukovych and will not repeat his mistakes”

- Let's first talk about the background of the issue. What is the Maidan in the political sense? This is a rebellion of right-wing parties (center-right “Batkivshchyna” and “Blow”, nationalists from “Freedom”) and the ultra-right public movement (“Right Sector”) against centrists from the “Party of Regions”. That is, if we draw an analogy with Kazakhstan, these are national populists and national democrats against Nur Otan. But where did such powerful right-wing parties in Ukraine come from?

The fact is that Yanukovych, being a not very clever man, decided to turn the following operation on when he came to power:

1. Consistently got rid of strong figures in the “Party of Regions” (for example, Yevgeny Kushnarev from Kharkov died “accidentally” during a hunt) and prominent politicians with a pro-Russian orientation (arrest of Odessa deputy Igor Markov in 2007) competition and to close all contacts with Russia
2. With the help of the Security Service of Ukraine, the Right Sector began to be strengthened as a possible force against Russia and its associated politicians. Football fans from all over Ukraine joined the ultra-right - even its East. In general, the typical “Zubatovschina”.
3. He helped the Svoboda party and Oleg Tyagnibok in their promotion, so that they took part of the electorate from “Batkivshchyna” and indirectly from its leader Yulia Tymoshenko, who was in custody. That is, “Freedom” was a spoiler party in Western Ukraine and was supposed to help split the forces that were in opposition to Yanukovych.

And he did all this so vigorously and well that he is currently sitting in exile in Rostov-on-Don, representing a political corpse. Dodgy, as he thought, the strategy of “feed the enemies, kill friends” turned out to be losing.

This is what the Ukrainian events are.

Will the authorities of Kazakhstan flirt with our nationalists after them, create a political organization and help them in some way? Well, I think if they want to move permanently to Moscow or Beijing and give press conferences from there, they will probably start flirting. But, in my opinion, our authorities are several orders higher than the class of Yanukovich and his mistakes will not be repeated. So, I think everything will be exactly the opposite.

And, of course, if national populists try to take advantage of socio-economic protests for their own promotion, it will end badly for them. I believe that in order to oppose our government, the party opposition and the ANSDP are enough; more is not needed yet.

Serik Belgibay, director of the public foundation “RealPolitik”:

“It is now clear that the Kremlin will demand total submission”

- Now, after the Ukrainian events, everyone in our country clearly understood that Russia is dangerous. They understood what our patriots were talking about all the time.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine showed Putin’s true intentions and made clear the goals of creating a Eurasian Union. This is an attempt to restore the USSR with the complete dominance of Russia.

The statements of Zhirinovsky and Limonov are in the same vein with these events. This is the threat of using force to join neighboring countries (or parts of them). It is no coincidence that on the eve of Nazarbayev’s visit to Moscow, where Putin called him on 5 in March, Russia conducted demonstrative exercises, launching a Topol rocket into Kazakhstan. The pressure on us will be very strong, and in the case of the introduction of sanctions against Russia, and especially the beginning of the war in Ukraine, the option of seizing our country is possible. As we remember, after the statements of Zhirinovsky, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs sent a request to Russia and received an extremely contemptuous and impudent answer: they say that you have some kind of “Anti-heptyls” organized, they demand to close the Russian polygons, and you are to blame. The arguments of the Russian side - both by landfills and by Baikonur - have always been simple: this is our land, and you, the Kazakhs, this does not concern.

In such a situation, public support is needed. First of all, from the representatives of the Kazakhs. We have a lot of Kazakh nationalists, that is, those who support the ideas of patriotism, love for their homeland, and are guided in their actions by its interests. But the problem is that there are no strong organizations. There are small groups of activists, but they are scattered.

Will the government go to rapprochement with the nationalists? Does she use them as a support in the emerging dangerous situation? The authorities have long lost the habit of consulting with society. Appeal to some independent social movements, especially not to consult with them in her style. The powers that be can use their potential only when the situation becomes extremely dangerous, when there is no place to go. But in order for them to go for it, it is necessary for Russia to threaten not only the country and the Kazakh people, but them personally, their position.

At the same time, our government is heterogeneous, there are many different groups and personalities in it. Someone may try, realizing the danger of the moment, to support the Kazakh nationalists. The latter are often accused of being tame, controlled by the authorities. But here everything is much more complicated. They have contacts with certain figures from the state apparatus, often simply friendly, kindred, someone sympathizes with them ... But to say that they are lured, it would be wrong. Their position during the recent devaluation does not say anything about anything - they did what they could, and did no more than what small, disparate groups of 5-10 people in each can do.

Today, the main goal of our nationalists is to unite and coordinate efforts. The worse the situation becomes, the stronger the pressure from Russia will be, the faster it will happen. The government fears that, openly supporting the Kazakh society, the Kazakh patriots, it can provoke some actions from Moscow, give it a reason. But it is not. Moscow will find the occasion in any case.
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  1. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 11 March 2014 12: 48
    0
    naturally looking at how easily and elegantly annexed Crimea Nazarbayev is experiencing certain fears, and here it is just necessary to stop the nationalists
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 11 March 2014 15: 05
      +22
      The main difference between Kazakhstan and Ukraine is that there was no war on our territory and there were no traitors like the SS Galicia division. That is, there are no people and their descendants who yell about self-identity. Also, there was no forcible annexation or seizure of lands in recent history.
      And any domestic national patron like Serik Belgibay can be asked a question that he cannot answer: "Why should Russia seize our lands, which are enshrined in documents on the borders, if WE are creating a new UNION? To scare away other future members? Where is the meaning and logic? confuse the events in Ukraine with the arrival of the Bandera-fascists to power and the creation of the UNION, where Kazakhstan sees its future. Do not confuse the concepts of creation and destruction. " Please buy real estate even in Alma-Ata, Moscow or Minsk and live and work wherever you want.
      I would also like to note the following. IN KAZAKHSTAN, PARTIES AND PUBLIC ORGANIZATIONS ARE PROHIBITED BY NATIONAL SIGNS (according to the CONSTITUTION, that is, the creation of such parties as "Svoboda" or "RIGHT SECTOR" is IMPOSSIBLE). AND ALSO THE ASSEMBLY OF THE PEOPLES OF KAZAKHSTAN (ANC), which is obliged to prevent the consolidation of nationalists of any kind, and 9 seats in parliament are given to the ANC. There are also various laws, a whole block of laws developed by the ANC. For example, if you are infringed upon by some official on nat. sign, then he will be dismissed without the right to work in the state. structures for up to 5 years.
      If you look at modern history, our nationalists had a good trump card at the very beginning of independence - the Slavs established a brawl in Belovezhskaya Pushcha and decided our future without us. Why weren’t we asked? What kind of people don’t they consider us? Well, etc .. But at the moment, the protest electorate is very low. hi
      1. Su24
        Su24 11 March 2014 15: 37
        +3
        The Ukrainian crisis has awakened Kazakh nationalists who were dozing in their “interest circles” hitherto. Earlier this week, they announced their intention to gather all the protest forces on April 12 to announce the holding of an anti-Eurasian forum.


        Once again, we observe how nationalists work in the interests of the West against Eurasia. What is characteristic, each potential country of the Eurasian Union has its own groups of nationalists who are mobilized to fight against unification.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 11 March 2014 16: 36
          +5
          Now I would like to compare economic indicators and economic development.
          At the time of independence, Kazakhstan had a GDP of 25 billion, now 220 billion, which is $ 13 per capita. In Ukraine, 000-6000 $. We have growth in 7000 of 2013%, in Ukraine less than 6%. This year, the government promises at least 1% and 6 per capita (here it should be noted that commercial production begins on Kashagan and Karachaganak went into profit, that is, under the terms of the contract, 14500% of the profit will remain in Kazakhstan), in Ukraine are likely to go negative. In 80, the NAS promises at least $ 2017 per capita.
          Since independence, Kazakhstan has created entire sectors of the economy that previously did not exist at all - it’s enough to say that the Kazakh SSR didn’t even make nails and wire, now a whole construction industry-cement has been created. factories, bricks, fittings, glass, roofing, drywall, etc. Assembling cars, helicopters, rolling stock and locomotives, new roads and railways, energy and infrastructure, the new ASTANA (which already gives products more at a cost, what was invested in this city). In Ukraine, they still use the Soviet backlog and have not really created anything new in the economy.
          Like Bush Jr. said. If I brought the economic growth at a rate of 10% annually (and before the 2008 crisis, Kazakhstan grew by 12-13%), then I would be president for life. That is, I want to say that no matter how bad NAS is, it creates jobs. Yes, there is corruption, but landings have become more frequent. The latest example - last week the ex-akim (governor) of the Pavlodar region was arrested, who laid hands on the regional funds. The National Academy of Sciences forbade dragging "his team" when appointing an official. There is nothing of this in Ukraine.
          And the most important thing in my opinion. The government creates whole economic programs. Industrialization of Kazakhstan - 2020, Kazakhstan-2030 (already completed, by entering the Republic of Kazakhstan among the 50 most competitive economies in the world), Kazakhstan-2050 (entering 30), in the energy fields, in metallurgy, in the agricultural sector. It is announced that Chimkent and Aktobe (Aktyubinsk) will be brought to the level of a megalopolis with a population of 1 mil. That is, we, Kazakhstanis, see that the work is being carried out PLANNED, and not spontaneously. Tasks are set that are being implemented and are being worked on, rather than EMPTY promises (which, in principle, also exist).
          Many people abroad are worried by the fact that NAS is not eternal and will soon leave. But during the period of independence, he created his own personnel potential. Please, Tokayev, Tasmagambetov, Massimov, etc. Kazakhstanis have a lot to choose from. I think the continuity will remain. And in Ukraine, with the arrival of a new president, everyone is changed, including the cleaning ladies, property is being redistributed. No continuity, no consistency. "A new broom sweeps in a new way." All this does not give STABILITY in power and economy.
          This, of course, is purely my point of view in comparison with the situation in Kazakhstan and Ukraine. hi
          1. Horn
            Horn 12 March 2014 08: 11
            0
            Yes, Nazarbayev is smart. I'm also worried, what will happen after him?
            In RK, much has been done, I do not argue. But ... I look bitterly at what has been done with the place where I grew up from 5 to 17 years old, and where my mother, who came from the Kzyl-Orda region, is buried. Why let the sheep into the gardens? Why make a desert out of a blooming garden?
          2. Horn
            Horn 13 March 2014 06: 10
            0
            It is announced that Chimkent and Aktobe (Aktyubinsk) will be brought to the level of a megalopolis with a population of 1 mil.

            - Give Shimkent to Vannovka! good Glad for the city that I love.
      2. zeleznijdorojnik
        zeleznijdorojnik 11 March 2014 15: 43
        +5
        IN KAZAKHSTAN, PARTIES AND PUBLIC ORGANIZATIONS ARE PROHIBITED BY NATIONAL SIGNS (according to the CONSTITUTION, that is, the creation of such parties as "Svoboda" or "RIGHT SECTOR" is IMPOSSIBLE). AND ALSO THE ASSEMBLY OF THE PEOPLES OF KAZAKHSTAN (ANC), which is obliged to prevent the consolidation of nationalists of any kind, and 9 seats in parliament are given to the ANC
        Well done, Kazakhs, there is nothing more to say.
      3. avt
        avt 11 March 2014 21: 46
        +1
        Quote: Kasym
        The main difference between Kazakhstan and Ukraine is that there was no war on our territory and there were no traitors like the SS Galicia division. That is, there are no people and their descendants who yell about self-identity. Also, there was no forcible annexation or seizure of lands in recent history.

        hi Nationalism is always and everywhere our "universal democratizers" inflated and will inflate. Like the Poles, whom they calmed down in Katyn, made their "Promethean movement". This is where Limonov's surname often arises {we don't touch Zhirik, this is our Zhirik, he only makes us laugh}, so for some reason they don't remember that he has a real term in Russia, albeit a short one, he received precisely for trying to portray himself as Che Guevara and with an automaton in a barrel, he set out to protect "the Russians in Kazakhstan. And about the lamentations about the Crimea, some about" aggression and integrity ", so Vysotsky wrote a haarrosh song -" Finally we were given the order to advance,
        To take away our spans and crumbs,
        But we remember how the sun went back
        And it almost went down in the East. "
  2. Leopold
    Leopold 11 March 2014 13: 19
    +10
    I thought all the delusional generators threw to support the Maidan, but no.
  3. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 11 March 2014 13: 29
    +5
    Hmm. Again on the same rake. Obama will have a lot of bumps.
    A bunch of naive liberoids will die because of this monkey.
    1. cumastra1
      cumastra1 11 March 2014 14: 21
      +2
      These liberoids died dozens in Kiev. No way, just because of his stupidity.
    2. cumastra1
      cumastra1 11 March 2014 14: 21
      +1
      These liberoids died dozens in Kiev. No way, just because of his stupidity.
  4. Chemicalin23
    Chemicalin23 11 March 2014 13: 31
    +3
    Who is this or that (a) Saule Isabaev? This is also the fifth column, but only Kazakh? In this case, we must now take such a pencil, so that later, in which case, do not collect them throughout the country ...
  5. Const
    Const 11 March 2014 13: 42
    +3
    It seems that the buildup of all anti-Russian forces has begun along the perimeter of Russia and the "fifth" column within it.
    It looks like the idea of ​​a "golden billion" is gaining momentum in real life.
    1. avt
      avt 11 March 2014 13: 49
      0
      Quote: Const
      It seems that the buildup of all anti-Russian forces has begun along the perimeter of Russia and the "fifth" column within it.

      Naturally, if they howled as if on command, then God himself, that is, Borac, ordered the nationalists. Nothing unexpected and unexpected. Let Nazarbayev deal with these - not our business.
  6. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 11 March 2014 13: 43
    +9
    Local nationalists have always been in the shadows, and at the behest of what happened, they decided to add water to the fire ... educated and intelligent Kazakhs never thought and do not think so. They understand who they need to be friends with in today's difficult time. Kazakhstan simply does not have a choice, China has not very hidden territorial claims to land in Kazakhstan, the Kazakhs understand this perfectly and are afraid of the Chinese threat, the risks of creating a separate zone of Uyghur separatism also actually prevent the national elite from sleeping. Also, threats from the south in the future, and what is there in the future, will already make themselves felt in the near future. Unstable South. There are simply no other partners besides Russia, even if you look at it from a historical perspective. We are not in a position to pursue an independent policy, we must rely on someone, either the Kremlin, or Beijing, or the United States when it is beneficial. As VVP said at a recent press conference, those who pursue an independent policy can get caught up in the act. Our leadership has understood this for a long time, and therefore stands for the creation of the Eurosian Union. In this connection, Russia, as an old historical partner, friend and brother, remains the only one who can help in difficult times of troubles.
  7. T80UM1
    T80UM1 11 March 2014 13: 44
    +2
    What is the current theme for local Natsiks))) press bench press))) All correctly written will push the topic of Nazism will be the same as with Ukraine, therefore, let's live together (and specifically under the Russian Federation) although we have long been there economically, simply marginals do not recognize this =)))
    1. Alibekulu
      11 March 2014 15: 11
      -4
      Quote: T80UM1
      bench press bench)))
      ..
      Quote: T80UM1
      specifically under the Russian Federation

      "Stockholm Syndrome" repeat
      Quote: Scandinavian
      China has a very hidden territorial claim on land in Kazakhstan
      But in fact:
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      easily and gracefully annexed Crimea
      .
      Quote: Scandinavian
      In this connection, Russia as a long-standing historical partner, friend and brother remains the only one who can help in difficult times of troubles.
      Looking at how brotherly Rasseya acts with Ridna Ukraine, it’s not K who thinks that with such friends no enemies are needed .. laughing
      1. avt
        avt 11 March 2014 15: 35
        +6
        Quote: Alibekulu
        Looking at how brotherly Rasseya acts with Ridna Ukraine, it’s not K who thinks that with such friends no enemies are needed ..

        Already Pushkin quoted on another branch, I repeat -What are you making noise about, folk orbits?
        Why anathema threaten you Russia?
        What angered you? unrest in Lithuania?
        Leave: this is a dispute between the Slavs,
        Home, old dispute, weighted by fate,
        A question that you will not solve.

        For a long time among themselves
        These tribes are at war;
        More than once bowed under a thunderstorm
        Theirs, then our side.
        Who will stand in an unequal dispute:
        Puffy Lyakh, il true Ross?
        Will Slavic streams merge in the Russian sea?
        Will it run dry? here is the question.

        Leave us: you have not read
        These bloody tablets;
        It’s incomprehensible to you, alien to you
        This is a family feud;
        The Kremlin and Prague are silent for you;
        Pointlessly seduces you
        Fights of desperate courage -
        And you hate us ...

        For what? answer: for whether
        What is on the ruins of flaming Moscow
        We did not recognize the brazen will
        Who were you trembling under?
        For the fact that they plunged into the abyss
        We are idol over kingdoms
        And redeemed with our blood
        Europe, freedom, honor and peace? ..
        You are formidable in words - try in practice!
        Or the old hero, deceased on his bed,
        Unable to screw up your Izmail bayonet?
        Is the Russian tsar already powerless to speak?
        Or should we argue with Europe new?
        Il Russian weaned from victories?
        Or a little of us? Or from Perm to Tauris,
        From the Finnish cold rocks to the flaming Colchis,
        From the shocked Kremlin
        To the walls of immobile China,
        Shiny bristles,
        Will not the Russian land rise? ..
        So send us, vitias,
        His angry sons:
        There is a place for them in the fields of Russia,
        Among the coffins that are not theirs.

        1831
        A.S. Pushkin. Works in three volumes.
        St. Petersburg: The Golden Age, Diamond, 1997 So don’t catch up on yourself.
      2. T80UM1
        T80UM1 11 March 2014 15: 42
        +1
        With all due respect, there are no friends in politics, with all due respect, the revival of national identity should not be converted to Nazism,
        "Stockholm Syndrome"
        agree better Russian than inadequate like: "moskaliv on knives" or "Suitcase Station Russia" "This is not your land", I heard a lot ...
        1. Alibekulu
          11 March 2014 17: 03
          +3
          Quote: T80UM1
          agree better
          It depends on what you compare it to..
          What is better deportation, similar to that done with the Koreans in 30. or individual inadequacies, of which there are enough in every nation and to which the majority of Kazakhs are negatively treated ?!
          Quote: T80UM1
          the rebirth of national self-consciousness should not shift to Nazism,
          Oops repeat it seems, as not far off, someone offered "penodes for knives" ...
      3. Scandinavian
        Scandinavian 11 March 2014 16: 07
        +1
        Alibekulu (1) Watching how fraternally Rasseya comes with ridge Ukraine, K-people don’t come to the idea that they don’t need enemies with such friends .. laughing


        Dear, I see you as a not far-sighted marginal who is used to reflecting on global problems sitting in the kitchen and eating only that baked baursak.

        There are no more comments ... it makes no sense to argue ... peas nervously smokes, the wall stands aside ...
        1. Alibekulu
          11 March 2014 16: 51
          +1
          Quote: Scandinavian
          I see you as not a far-sighted marginal, who is used to reflect on global issues while sitting in the kitchen
          And, you onaliteg, work in the General Staff ?! laughing
          And, in general, I look at some clever people, after the events in / in Ukraine, a voice erupted .. yes
          Quote: Scandinavian
          . peas nervously smokes, the wall stands aside ...
          With hard drugs, it's time to tie ... negative
          1. Scandinavian
            Scandinavian 11 March 2014 18: 16
            +2
            Alibekulu (1) KZ Today, 16: 51 ↑ New

            Quote: Scandinavian
            I see you as not a far-sighted marginal, who is used to reflect on global issues while sitting in the kitchen
            And, you onaliteg, work in the General Staff ?! laughing
            And, in general, I look at some clever people, after the events in / in Ukraine, a voice erupted .. yes
            Quote: Scandinavian
            . peas nervously smokes, the wall stands aside ...
            With hard drugs, it's time to tie ... negative


            It makes no sense to be offended by oligophrenics and mentally ill. bully
            1. Alibekulu
              11 March 2014 18: 39
              +2
              Quote: Scandinavian
              It makes no sense to be offended by oligophrenics and mentally ill.
              You’re right, why blessed is it to offend you ...
  8. Neophyte
    Neophyte 11 March 2014 13: 51
    -10%
    The Kyzyl-Kaisak horde begins to move, it does not have enough space.
    It is not Russia that needs to be afraid, but China. After all, it is well known that Uighurs have difficulty
    withstand calm and strive for independence.
    Russia does not benefit from Kazakhstan’s participation against China, as China swallows Kazakhstan instantly. And therefore, Russia should not hold
    Kazakhstan in the TS. They want to move away from Russia - their right. China more
    a strong player and more beneficial to us in geopolitics.
  9. Kurkin
    Kurkin 11 March 2014 14: 03
    0
    As we recall, after Zhirinovsky’s remarks, the Foreign Ministry sent a request to Russia and received an extremely contemptuous and impudent response: they say that you have some kind of “Antiheptyls” organized, they demand to close Russian landfills, and you are to blame. The argument of the Russian side - both in terms of landfills, and in Baikonur - has always been simple: this is our land, and you, the Kazakhs, are not concerned.
    That's right. Kazakhs and statehood did not know and did not have a written language until they became part of the Russian Empire. The borders of the state of Kazakhstan in general, as far as I remember, only appeared during the USSR. Kazakh nationalists, so no one bothers you wandering and grazing their herds!
    1. Aldo
      Aldo 11 March 2014 14: 14
      +10
      Kazakhs had a written language before Russia, there was nothing to invent. And as for the territory, look at the maps of the Astrakhan, Omsk, Tyumen, Saratov regions, etc., there you will see many Kazakh names. Some believe that Russia does not need allies, but this is not true. Do not scare us with China, in fact, China is a threat to Russia. And without Kazakhstan, Russia will turn into a regional power, divorced from Central Asia and unable to influence the processes there, in addition, if you surrender us to China, you will be surrounded on the eastern and southern sides. We have only mutually beneficial partnership and friendship with Russia. Do not violate it and cause a response.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 11 March 2014 14: 40
        0
        Quote: Aldo
        And as for the territory, look at the maps of the Astrakhan, Omsk, Tyumen, Saratov regions, etc., there you will see many Kazakh names.

        That is, you acknowledge that Kazakhstan is a breakaway part of Russia!
        In Russia, in addition to Kazakh names, are there names, for example, Tatar, or for example German, Jewish - are these also indigenous peoples? Even Italian names are, probably Italians are the most indigenous people of Russia.
        1. Vl690006
          Vl690006 11 March 2014 16: 17
          +7
          Do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs. We Bashkirs also have French names. We, Bashkirs, as part of the Russian army, fought against the French and took Paris. According to Pikul, they even guarded the Louvre from the plundering of "civilized" Europeans. Both of my grandfathers died in the Second World War. Of us brothers, I served in the Navy, two brothers in the border troops, and the other in the air defense. Do you remember the wars between Kazakhs and Russians. They are to us, the RUSSIANS, a friendly people and we need to support in all this, and not knowing history to climb with their judgments.
        2. Vl690006
          Vl690006 11 March 2014 16: 17
          +2
          Do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs. We Bashkirs also have French names. We, Bashkirs, as part of the Russian army, fought against the French and took Paris. According to Pikul, they even guarded the Louvre from the plundering of "civilized" Europeans. Both of my grandfathers died in the Second World War. Of us brothers, I served in the Navy, two brothers in the border troops, and the other in the air defense. Do you remember the wars between Kazakhs and Russians. They are to us, the RUSSIANS, a friendly people and we need to support in all this, and not knowing history to climb with their judgments.
      2. Docent1984
        Docent1984 11 March 2014 14: 46
        +9
        There is an opinion that today, apart from some disrespectful shouters from both the Russian and Kazakh sides, an almost ideal balance has been formed between the levels of independence and integration of Russia and Kazakhstan. We do not meddle in each other's internal politics in all its diversity (languages, culture, national minorities, law enforcement agencies, housing and communal services, roads, etc.), and at the same time there is a common understanding of geopolitical interests in foreign policy and powerful joint work in the energy sector , mechanical engineering, railways. Close to the ideal model of a confederation. Kazakhstan and Belarus seem to be different states for me, but I go there without feeling "a foreign country". I would like to believe that this is serious and for a long time. You are a plus.
      3. Horn
        Horn 11 March 2014 14: 47
        +2
        No, the Kazakhs had ARABIC writing. In the ARABIC language. The national alphabet was developed after the revolution. And there are many names in TURKISH languages ​​throughout Eurasia. And not only Eurasia. It used to be that Arab roots are primary to Turkic. But in the 20th century, linguists proved that the Turkic roots are primary. So, the Turks have something to be proud of and without appropriation of other people's merits. Very competently writes about this Olzhas Suleimenov.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 11 March 2014 19: 56
          +2
          Quote: Horn
          No, the Kazakhs had ARABIC writing. In the ARABIC language. The national alphabet was developed after the revolution.

          Something you do not quite accurately write the language was Kazakh, the Arabic alphabet was used. Then the Soviet government decided to tear the Kazakhs away from the Muslim world and introduced the Latin alphabet. Then the same government decided to tear the Kazakhs away from the Turks (Turkey, after Ataturk, also switched from Arabic to Latin), and introduced the Cyrillic alphabet. In general, in one century, Kazakhs were forced to change the alphabet three times if we consider that the introduced Cyrillic alphabet, the same has undergone additions and changes.
          1. Horn
            Horn 12 March 2014 08: 04
            0
            Yes you are right. I didn’t put it exactly, and from this the whole meaning "was lost." You have clearly identified the reasons for changing the alphabet. The same was the case in Russia, when they changed the Runic into the Verb and the Verb into the Cyrillic alphabet. The main thing is to break the link between generations. The same idea is possessed by the Ukrainian Fuhrer. The Latin alphabet is a way to tear the Slavs away from the Russian community, from the Orthodox world. Romanize. From people who do not remember their roots, it is easy to forge anyone you want.
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      4. Kurkin
        Kurkin 11 March 2014 15: 21
        +2
        Yes, no one is encroaching on your independence and territory. I quoted above the words from an article written by your compatriot with a sick imagination. We rent a spaceport, we pay you for it, all under the contract. The landfill is generally kind of general. Limonov writer and philosopher, Zhirinovsky court jester. Offended by their statements, focus on this and send some kind of inquiries is silly in my opinion. A friend needs Russia and Kazakhstan, and this is indisputable.
      5. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 11 March 2014 17: 10
        +2
        Let's not heat up the situation and pour arguments like who needs more. Europe swears and admits that they need Russia as much as they need Russia.
        Everything is interconnected. We are, after all, allies and most importantly friends. So do not let your 5th column quarrel with us.
  10. TS3sta3
    TS3sta3 11 March 2014 14: 17
    +2
    Serik Belhibay
    The invasion of Russia. This is an attempt to restore the USSR. Statements by Zhirinovsky and Limonov This is a threat to the use of force. It is no coincidence that, in anticipation of Nazarbayev’s visit to Moscow, Russia conducted demonstration exercises by launching the Topol missile into Kazakhstan. the option of capturing our country is possible. The argument of the Russian side is our land, and you, the Kazakhs, are not concerned.

    somehow primitive. Is it true that local chauvinists really argue that way. I counted on more effective propaganda, but here you can only laugh.
    1. Docent1984
      Docent1984 11 March 2014 14: 51
      +4
      Statements by Zhirinovsky and Limonov - this is already a place where laughing is allowed)))) It remains only to hear the opinion of Petrosyan and Kirkorov on this issue))))
  11. Zymran
    Zymran 11 March 2014 14: 42
    +2
    In 1994, following the abandonment of nuclear weapons, the UN should be forced to deploy a military base in the West, North and East of the country.
    1. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian 11 March 2014 15: 08
      +2
      There was no reason for this and will not be in the future, and it’s not worth carrying a bullshit. With a philosophy like yours then you need to place an American base near Astana.
    2. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 11 March 2014 17: 27
      +1
      The UN is not a country, not a military bloc, does not place a base. You obviously messed up something)))
      Shout about independence and want someone’s base right there))))
      You are not a nationalist, you are not even a patriot, you are a liberalist)))
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 11 March 2014 19: 27
        +2
        Quote: JIaIIoTb
        The UN is not a country, not a military bloc, does not place a base. You obviously messed up something)))


        One could come up with something, such as an international peacekeeping force or something like that.

        Quote: JIaIIoTb
        You are not a nationalist, you are not even a patriot, you are a liberalist)))


        I am a liberal nationalist.
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 11 March 2014 19: 49
          +1
          Quote: Zymran
          I am a liberal nationalist.

          Are there such people?

          Salem, Zymran hi
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 11 March 2014 20: 23
            +1
            Salem, Clegg!

            It happens that this concept is closest to me

            Liberal nationalism emphasizes liberal values ​​and argues that there are universal values, such as human rights, in relation to which patriotic moral categories occupy a subordinate position. Liberal nationalism does not deny priorities in relation to those who are closer and more expensive, but believes that this should not be at the expense of strangers.
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 11 March 2014 20: 30
              +2
              Quote: Zymran
              Salem, Clegg!

              It happens that this concept is closest to me

              Liberal nationalism emphasizes liberal values ​​and argues that there are universal values, such as human rights, in relation to which patriotic moral categories occupy a subordinate position. Liberal nationalism does not deny priorities in relation to those who are closer and more expensive, but believes that this should not be at the expense of strangers.

              Very much reminiscent of civil patriotism.
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  12. buzer
    buzer 11 March 2014 14: 46
    +4
    about Kazakhs, you can invent everything. In fascist Germany, all sorts of fables and Germans were also invented about Russians, who had never been to Russia and did not know either the Russian language, culture, or history willingly believed everything. The same propaganda can be carried out with respect to the Kazakhs. And they will believe ... But nationalists are in any nation. And any people can be crap. Any!!! Though Kazakh, even Russian, even Papuan ...
  13. Aldo
    Aldo 11 March 2014 15: 08
    +1
    Quote: Setrac
    That is, you acknowledge that Kazakhstan is a breakaway part of Russia!

    Kazakhstan is a separate state recognized at the world level. There is nothing to turn the word over. We do not claim your land; you do not claim ours. And why do you need your own land? So go to the Far East, there the population can’t keep it. Insatiable you!
    1. tasey
      tasey 11 March 2014 15: 28
      0
      But not ... Insatiable - behind the "big puddle". They "devoured" the indigenous population, taking away the whole continent, and provided a couple of reservations from the master's shoulder. And now they strive to teach "democracy" to the whole world. And Russians are still being ruined by the idea of ​​"internationalism" hammered into their heads. We still have a lot, a lot of grief about this ...
    2. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 11 March 2014 17: 29
      0
      Dear, if we were insatiable, we would not leave Paris in 1814)))
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 11 March 2014 18: 56
      0
      Quote: Aldo
      We do not claim your land

      It was you who made the speech in Kazakh toponyms. There are Russian toponyms around the world, in the USA, for example, there is the city of St. Petersburg. from Russian words came the names of foreign cities, and even other countries, and Kazakhstan is full of Russian place names.
  14. Aldo
    Aldo 11 March 2014 15: 55
    +4
    But not ... Insatiable - behind the "big puddle". They "devoured" the indigenous population, taking away the whole continent, and provided a couple of reservations from the master's shoulder. And now they strive to teach "democracy" to the whole world. And Russians are still being ruined by the idea of ​​"internationalism" hammered into their heads. We still have a lot, a lot of grief about this ...

    Some Russian-Jewish "false patriots" are no better. They also dream of reservations. What are the statements of the Zhirinovskys, Limonovs. What kind of "Internationalism" are we talking about, why don't you see your Natsiks who shout: Russia is for Russians! Or are they "Good" Nazis?
  15. Andrey KZ
    Andrey KZ 11 March 2014 15: 58
    +1
    The article is somehow far-fetched. And about the reaction of Kazakh nationalists to the devaluation in general surprised. Already on this issue there was complete interethnic agreement. smile
  16. I_VOIN_I
    I_VOIN_I 11 March 2014 16: 19
    +2
    Quote: Kasym
    the Slavs arranged a brawl in Belovezhskaya Pushcha and decided our future without us. Why weren’t we asked? What kind of people don’t they consider us?

    It was not the Slavs who arranged it, but the traitors of the motherland.
  17. Aldo
    Aldo 11 March 2014 16: 45
    +1
    Quote: Kasym
    the Slavs arranged a brawl in Belovezhskaya Pushcha and decided our future without us. Why weren’t we asked? What kind of people don’t they consider us?
    It was not the Slavs who arranged it, but the traitors of the motherland.
    _________________
    So what claims to Kazakhstan and Kazakhs? deal with traitors.
    The fact that there was a minority of Kazakhs in the northern regions of Kazakhstan is the result of the mass death of Kazakhs during the years of collectivization (some call it the Holodomor), and not the primordial Russianness of these lands. According to the census in 1897, there were 2 times more Kazakhs than Uzbeks, but now the opposite.
    link here: http://demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/rus_lan_97.php
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 11 March 2014 17: 34
      +1
      Quote: Aldo
      The fact that there was a minority of Kazakhs in the northern regions of Kazakhstan is the result of the mass death of Kazakhs during the years of collectivization (some call it the Holodomor), and not the primordial Russianness of these lands.


      It reminds me of something. With this mine problems of Ukraine began. Since the famine, they turned to calls to kill the Russians, let's see how it all ends. And you think you do not love your country if you want to bring it to the state of Ukraine.
      Does Russia personally hinder you?
  18. parusnik
    parusnik 11 March 2014 17: 07
    +1
    Nobody teaches history, history teaches no one .. Nationalism is a relic ...
  19. Clegg
    Clegg 11 March 2014 19: 59
    +4
    There are no normal nationalists in Kazakhstan, those prodigious nationalists can only write 10-20 posts a day about evil Russia on social networks and are no longer capable of anything.

    There is only one nationalist whom I really respect, but do not agree with some of his positions. He's in jail right now.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 11 March 2014 20: 27
      +2
      In all post-Soviet countries, national movements will only intensify with the natural departure of those born in the USSR. The main thing is that in the RK this movement would be led by worthy people, and not by conjuncturists who are now in jas-otan and then in national movements.
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 11 March 2014 20: 38
        +1
        Quote: Semurg
        The main thing is that in the RK this movement would be led by worthy people, and not by conjuncturists who are now in jas-otan and then in national movements.

        Now, unfortunately, I don’t see such people, wait and see.
  20. ENESEI
    ENESEI 11 March 2014 21: 56
    0
    The article is provocative and there is nothing to argue about. But I remembered how my grandmother told me that when she lived in a village near Ust-Kamenogorsk at the beginning of the 20th century, Kazakh shepherds argued among themselves whether there would be a man among them who could eat a whole ram in one sitting.
  21. Arkan
    Arkan 11 March 2014 22: 23
    -1
    Oh how bent! Russia can occupy, it can overcome ... It is terrible to this mambet for acts of nationalists after 1991.
  22. Aldo
    Aldo 12 March 2014 06: 40
    +2
    Quote: Aldo
    The fact that there was a minority of Kazakhs in the northern regions of Kazakhstan is the result of the mass death of Kazakhs during the years of collectivization (some call it the Holodomor), and not the primordial Russianness of these lands.

    It reminds me of something. With this mine problems of Ukraine began. Since the famine, they turned to calls to kill the Russians, let's see how it all ends. And you think you do not love your country if you want to bring it to the state of Ukraine.
    Does Russia personally hinder you?
    ______________________________
    Russia did not "interfere" in any way, as you wish to express it.
    We are not against Russia, we are against chauvinists, who continually insult our sovereignty and independence while sitting in Russia. I love my country, it’s your chauvinists who set you on Asians or Caucasians. And you are being fooled. We in Kazakhstan do not have such Nazis as Bandera, not even close. Therefore, the scenario of Ukraine is not real.