Putin was asked to send troops to the Perm region

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What prompted me to write this text:

A letter to the Russian president was written on the Internet by the citizens of Perm, learning about the upcoming troop introduction to the Crimea, the Total.kz correspondent reports referring to the local Internet edition 59.ru.

“We have learned that you, Vladimir Putin, want to send troops to the Crimea in order to protect the rights of the Russian-speaking population. In this regard, we have a big request - to send troops to the Perm region. We are all Russian-speaking here, and our rights are greatly affected. Our patients cannot get the medicines and treatment they need, the level of our education falls every year, children's sections and clubs are closed, agriculture has been almost completely destroyed. We all suffer a lot. We learned that you are going to spend a lot of money to normalize life in the Crimea. Is it possible to spend this money on the normalization of life in the Perm region? And then our region is in such a debt pit that there is not enough money for anything. And we really need bridges, roads, sports facilities, industrial facilities, new jobs, ”local online edition 59.ru quotes the message from the residents of Perm region.

The authors of the letter even promised not to start any partisan actions against the army of liberators. The text of the message is borrowed from a similar appeal to the Russian president from residents of Vologda.


I, as a citizen of the Russian Federation, knowing, so to speak, the problem from the inside, in many respects agree with the inhabitants of the Perm Territory. There are many problems, stalemate problems, which are almost impossible to solve under the current government. This is the removal of the state from solving social problems, problems of medical care, problems of high-quality education for our children. What can I say, I myself now face a dilemma to try on the yoke of mortgage lending. With a one-room apartment cost of almost two and a half million Russian rubles for 20 years, I will pay out twice as much as I borrow. And such problems are myriad.

But I understand that Russia will never be left alone by our Western partners and “letting through” a blow in Ukraine, we are putting our Motherland in great danger, the danger that tomorrow they will knock at our door ... They knock, no matter who: Nazis, democrats , militant LGBT representatives, Greenpeace, radical Islamists, Mars envoys ... They will not knock on abstract Uncle Petya, but on you, dear reader, on Perm citizens ... on me. They will knock, because they will begin to "jerk" ours with you, reader, Motherland. Because we are Russians, we are uncomfortable, we had the audacity to occupy one-sixth of the land, we must, in the opinion of the enlightened West, be destroyed. Ukraine is a rehearsal of our execution. Do not defend - penny us the price.

So when I read that the residents of the Perm region are asking for troops, I understand that this is the work of our “fifth column”. Their task is to form an opinion that we don’t need Crimea, we have enough of our problems. We, in the opinion of these "patriots", do not need the Caucasus. These eaters are well aware that we will let the Caucasus go and tomorrow it will be radicalized and will come to us, to Ekaterinburg, to Perm, we will let go of Ukraine and tomorrow Bandera will come to us, to Voronezh, to Rostov. And, as practice shows, this does not need Army Groups Center, North and South. Only traitors, the “fifth column” and weak power are needed. These corrupt creatures continue to push the common man on a sore spot. "Down with the ballast, there is nothing to eat by yourself !!!" - they say. And the rabble from this fifth column is educated, their lies go into a thin banter - ten lines that the author is a patriot and, like, says everything correctly, but a couple of lines in these ten winds up a snake informational "release". And this "blowout" works, people believe it. It's so funny when the troops (ha-ha), when in the Perm region (just scream). But I hope that the Russian people will be able to separate the wheat from the chaff.

My opinion, this opinion is not biased patriot and not "paid Putin's troll," but a person who wants to think for themselves, without "stamps." For example, I don’t like the fact that the “go-ahead” was given to support only the Crimea, and the East has been completely forgotten ... One gets the feeling that we have “merged” the East. I hope that is not right ...

I myself am a builder, I chose my profession in a conscious age, I really love my job. I did not, forgive me for the workers of respectable branches of non-industry, trader, manager, realtor, broker, dealer, etc., etc., etc. ... But I am proud of my choice !!! I am a creator, I am Russian!
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  1. -125
    8 March 2014 07: 36
    I myself am a builder, I chose my profession at a conscious age, I really love my job. I didn’t, forgive me workers of the venerable non-industry sectors, a merchant, a manager, a realtor, a broker, a dealer, etc., etc., etc.

    Judging by the text - you're not a man, but a beggar.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      +36
      8 March 2014 07: 47
      Quote: v53993
      Judging according to the text - you are not a man, but a beggar

      “Do not judge, but you will not be judged” (Matt. 7,1)
      1. +2
        8 March 2014 08: 17
        Quote: 11111mail.ru
        “Do not judge, but you will not be judged” (Matt. 7,1)

        and you do not judge ... and do not shine with the knowledge of quotes from the Bible ...
        he said correctly
        man does not whine, he does
        and if you are a builder and with golden hands, it’s a sin for you to complain about
        1. +64
          8 March 2014 08: 36
          I myself live in Perm. I live far from the richest man, but far from the poorest. The author is lying that everything is so bad with us. Perm Territory in Russia is included in the 10-20 among the regions of Russia in all respects: by average salary, by social security, etc. You can look at the statistics on the Internet (who cares) and you’ll see that Perm Territory is no worse, but in many ways better.

          Yes, there really are very serious problems, but others have no less. But loans and mortgages throughout the country are about the same. If the community of the site expresses a desire to learn more, then the article can be fun too.

          The author is an ordinary simulator-provocateur. Under the guise of good intentions, invites us to switch to his beloved.

          And lastly (it will turn out long, but this must be understood). And we at VO have personalities acting one on one with these postulates. The author along the way from among them.

          • Venue: social networks, sites, blogs, news feeds, comments in video feeds, YouTube, justice and so on.
          • Comments should be with supporting pictures, links, videos, even if they are simply cut out of the general context.
          • Use cultural speech in conversations, be friendly and welcoming
          • Do not get fooled by provocations, do not respond with aggression to aggression
          • Attack on a post, video, commentary is carried out purposefully, in groups of 10-20 people, you will simply be defeated by facts alone
          • Force your opponent to use obscene language and other obscene language
          • Constantly indicate to the opponent that he is behaving uncivilized
          • If the opponent crushed your lies with facts, make an emphasis on his grammatical errors, this will demoralize and shame the opponent, veiling the fact of your lies
          • Try to make a split between groups of opponents, for example, people call to stand up for the defense of Donetsk, and you write that you don’t even make sense from Donetsk to fight, it will only get worse
          • Do not use the words seizure of power, Bandera, militants, terrorists, extremists, Nazis, nationalists. Always say - the people of Ukraine
          • Do not write that we are for Europe, write that we are for united Ukraine
          • Do not use language confusion. Southeast and Crimea writes "in the Ukraine" - agree with them, do not make discord in this.
          • Try to write in Russian, Ukrainian speech immediately repels many.
          • Try to convince them that they were cheated or cheated
          • Try to convince that Russia only needs resources and labor from Ukraine
          • Try to convince yourself that everything is bad in Russia, use pictures of remote places, old buildings, dumps, demotivators about old women, retirement, hungry children and other facts of human pity are ideal
          • Try to convince that nobody is going to them, that nobody is going to grab or demolish anything from them
          • Show to the maximum how Yanukovych and the PR deputies lived, to emphasize that it’s all stolen people's money
          • To prove to them that Ukraine will be strong only together, individually to intimidate that Russia from the South-East and Crimea will make them their slaves or something bad
          • If the opponent shows you the successes and achievements of Russia, reproach the opponent for being subjected to Kremlin propaganda. To convince your opponent that you allegedly have relatives in Russia who are terrified of Russia's poverty and poverty
          • In the same way, in this vein, do the opposite, if the opponent shows you the facts of poverty and devastation in Europe, the EU or the USA
          • Try to convince to the maximum that Maidan is supported by Southeast and Crimea, they say you have friends there, relatives who are behind the Maidan.
          • If your opponent can prove to you that the National Bank is controlled by the United States, emphasize that this is done in all countries, for the convenience of the economy. Also emphasize that the US and the EU want to help Ukraine and are very worried about it.
          1. +17
            8 March 2014 08: 45
            The author is lying that everything is so bad with us.

            100%. I’ve been to many places at work, and Perm is a sin to complain. If the letter from Tambov had been - well, it’s somehow weak there, the roofing felts of the governor need to be changed.
            1. Perm59rus
              +9
              8 March 2014 09: 03
              I agree! My city, my region is the same as tens and hundreds. The author would be ashamed! We will restore everything over time hi In the meantime, you need to help those who need more.
              1. +4
                8 March 2014 11: 17
                We don’t need troops in the URAL, we have enough of our own

                Everyone needs: working laws, order, HONEST power,
                We definitely don’t have all this

                In general, the article is a complete stink.
                Perm and I are neighbors and somehow did not notice their decline, more than others
                1. predator.3
                  +1
                  8 March 2014 12: 49
                  Our patients cannot get the medicine and treatment they need, the level of our education is falling every year, children's sections and circles are closing down, and agriculture has been practically destroyed.

                  Of course, you don't need to bring in any troops, the author got excited (or smoked the wrong thing!), But problems also exist and they must be solved! We have all witnessed high-profile "reforms" in recent years: the Serdyukovskys in the army, the Fursenko in education, and so on. especially in the Ministry of Education, schools were cut (about the exam ... pee ...), but more than one official was not cut! And in general, a lot of problems rests on the bureaucracy of the state apparatus, that's what needs to be reformed and optimized, there were 700 thousand officials in the entire USSR, and in the Russian Federation there are more than 2 million, (and this is in the age of computer technology) half of these officials can be safely reduced, for example, we have 54 rural districts in Bashkiria, and each has an administration with a not frail budget, but what they are doing is not clear (the grandmas are sawing), these 54 districts can be safely reduced to 30 (more precisely, combined 2 in 1) and so on in all levels of power.
            2. +9
              8 March 2014 09: 09
              Ordinary Troll.
              1. +1
                8 March 2014 21: 28
                Yes, by the way, we live in the neighboring Kirov region far not better. And do not cry to Putin.
            3. +2
              8 March 2014 11: 16
              Quote: a52333
              The author is lying that everything is so bad with us.

              100%. I’ve been to many places at work, and Perm is a sin to complain. If the letter from Tambov had been - well, it’s somehow weak there, the roofing felts of the governor need to be changed.

              You are of course lucky in Perm.
              But here approaching the city by rail you see a HUGE number of abandoned and unfinished capital garages.
              We don’t have such a huge number of abandoned garages in the Kemerovo Region - although the situation in the region with production and jobs is awful - the region is becoming increasingly purely raw - at the former KMK - what remains of it is another reduction.
              On Zapsib, another annual disaster at the CHP.
              There is a fact - the management system must be cleansed of bribery and unprofessionalism in the face of "effective managers".
              An "effective manager", as a person interested in personal success above that in the success of society as a whole, is an enemy of society - any strengthening of society turns him from a "hero of everyday life" into an ordinary buying and selling.
              On the other hand, our society needs to begin to manage on its own, to learn to unite - elections on the other hand are on the nose - here we need candidates nominated from society, not from party lists.
              Such people so far can only be formed from older houses, streets, self-government committees of homeowners.
              And here the question is - will it be public men or will it be representatives of the fifth column - liberals.
            4. +1
              8 March 2014 13: 20
              Quote: a52333
              The author is lying that everything is so bad with us.

              100%. I’ve been to many places at work, and Perm is a sin to complain. If the letter from Tambov had been - well, it’s somehow weak there, the roofing felts of the governor need to be changed.


              There is nothing you can solve by changing Guber. There it is necessary to remove from power all his relatives, debtors and accomplices. There is also the problem of ethnic organized crime groups in which the governor is in the sixes, it would also have to be solved somehow. And everything is eastern as everywhere.
          2. +3
            8 March 2014 09: 08
            This is a man, not a whiner. I understood that there are a decreasing minority in the region, such as the author of the article, the mourners.
          3. vlum
            +6
            8 March 2014 09: 41
            Two authors are obtained from the text of the article itself - the authors of the quote words from the message of the inhabitants of the Perm region local online edition 59.ru and the author of the rest of the text Ilya Korolev (ilya_82).
            In the text of the Korolev himself, I see that he just tried to give an answer to the publication. It is only that the first paragraph of his answer acknowledges the actual existence of problems. But the rest of the text gives, in fact, an angry rebuke.

            Disguised?
          4. +4
            8 March 2014 09: 54
            I am also from the Perm Territory, and I see the opposite in our city, kindergartens are being built, there would be a desire to visit sections for free, roads are good, many visitors say that we are good!
            1. -4
              8 March 2014 13: 03
              only they say that people "nerdy" live there
            2. -1
              8 March 2014 13: 03
              only they say that people "nerdy" live there
          5. +6
            8 March 2014 09: 55
            The author, an ordinary liberal blogger, using a kipip around Ukraine sows the seed of discord in Russia. The same balobola Makarevich, Zverev, Akhidzhakova. Bohemia.
            And if you ask real working people, a warrior ?!
          6. +1
            8 March 2014 10: 18
            Why look at statistics? You better take a train from Perm to Kizel for example, there are so many abandoned villages, and in small towns there is practically poverty .. But the former governor will not see this anymore ..
          7. +4
            8 March 2014 10: 29
            Quote: Sunjar
            The author is an ordinary simulator-provocateur. Under the guise of good intentions, invites us to switch to his beloved.

            Is it Permian ???
          8. +5
            8 March 2014 10: 58
            Quote: Sunjar
            The author is an ordinary simulator provocateur.

            Limited reading of the beginning?
            Read it all.
            He just convinces - that despite the fact that everything is still not arranged inside, you should not go on about the fifth column writing such appeals.
            1. +3
              8 March 2014 13: 46
              This one read until the end, many simply don’t have time for VO - there are too many articles and I always want to be in time ... Yes, and you need to be able to analyze it.
          9. +1
            8 March 2014 13: 17
            Quote: Sunjar
            I myself live in Perm. I live far from the richest man, but far from the poorest. The author is lying that everything is so bad with us.


            Naturally lying. Worse, they believe him.
          10. saber1357
            0
            8 March 2014 22: 35
            Yes, the author is lying, he does it all the time, so why publish it - it’s not clear. The engagement is too visible
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        3. +3
          8 March 2014 09: 04
          It’s not that the men are idlers and drunks.
          the fact is that in the villages of men there is no catastrophic and practical practice.
        4. saber1357
          -1
          8 March 2014 22: 34
          That's it! Recently, radicalism has increased on the VO - normal (more or less) comments have begun to strongly negate. I hope that it’s just that people are nervous, and not the filthy shobla who writes nasty reviews on normal articles on vz.ru russia.ru and others, migrates to VO.
        5. 11111mail.ru
          -1
          10 March 2014 14: 55
          Quote: submariner
          and you do not judge ... and do not shine with the knowledge of quotes from the Bible ..

          Entering the ecstasy of merging with power,
          Tomim only one misfortune
          Leader's desire to translate:
          To open our spaces,
          Toilets everywhere to build,
          So that terrorists get wet in them.
          Not forever the serf's happiness
          (While the master deigns to live)
          Patron after thoughtlessly however
          The customer is always ready to echo.
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      3. platitsyn70
        0
        8 March 2014 08: 45
        and where does Perm and the Perm Territory come from, it probably will celebrate March 8 from Budun
      4. +6
        8 March 2014 09: 18
        Judging by the text - you're not a man, but a beggar.


        not asking for a loved one, you must think first, then write
      5. -1
        8 March 2014 09: 30
        Judging by the way he contemptuously speaks of ordinary people who are not lucky enough to live inside the Moscow Ring Road, and who sometimes really have nothing to feed their children, this "builder" sits in a 40-storey office and sincerely considers his hard workers to be cattle. So I'll tell you - the fifth column is all sitting in Moscow, all your bulk and others like them, the common people do not care about them from the high bell tower - their problems are above the roof. They do not care (in bulk) to do in the Perm Territory - the State Department's translations may not reach. And about the Crimea and all this muddled garbage: there is so much truth and lies involved. and the writers here and without me to He and more
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    3. +3
      8 March 2014 08: 34
      Zaminusovali, offended, thanks. So there are men in the region.
      1. +1
        8 March 2014 09: 07
        The text of the message is borrowed from a similar appeal to the Russian president from residents of Vologda.
        Direct text says the same copy with the insertion of another city!
        Now everywhere there will be such cries and moaning! Information war, I will applaud this "Perm"!am It is because of such comrades and about liberal screams that we lose these informational wars over and over again, Rain will be glad to such a letter! They will savor every little letter and laugh, laugh! Ugh! I would say what I think about this and the rules of military prohibition!
      2. +1
        8 March 2014 09: 56
        Minus one. Come closer, closer. I will teach you a lesson. I can see right through the scoundrels. Chop on the nose.
        1. +2
          8 March 2014 10: 38
          Quote: v53993
          I see through crawlers through and through. Hack on the nose.

          Volodya hold on !!! hi

          I myself am a Urals resident! But this little letter is ...., yes, as it was on time, then the fire was falling!
        2. +4
          8 March 2014 10: 52
          Quote: v53993
          . I see right through the scoundrels. Chop on the nose.
          I support Vladimir!
        3. +1
          8 March 2014 11: 28
          Volodya - hi
          Not everything is so simple and simple. The only thing I can say is that the article is too small for compiling the image of the author and for forming statements on it.

          But for the opinion, thank you anyway!
    4. +3
      8 March 2014 09: 00
      More, didn’t see anything in the article? AND?
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    6. +1
      8 March 2014 10: 23
      Beggars are not you men, but an author who does not filter the market, substituting you.
    7. +1
      8 March 2014 10: 55
      Quote: v53993
      Judging by the text - you're not a man, but a beggar.

      Do you seem to be an "effective manager"?
      Only now, what are you trading with?
      So that such as he has produced and is producing.
      And this is the opinion of any turner, metalworker, locksmith, builder, metallurgist, doctor, teacher, educator, etc. - all those who produce what all others listed by him are resold.
      And the fifth column most often consists precisely of the merchants - because they are the opponents of strengthening statehood - while strengthening the state, their services are less in demand.
      With all the liberal crackles - the level of margins in the SGA trade - and the amount of buy-and-sells - is severely limited.
    8. +2
      8 March 2014 11: 46
      "Judging by the text, you are not a man, but a beggar." ---- Apparently you read the text in reverse order, or the first half of the text.
    9. +2
      8 March 2014 11: 57
      "Judging by the text, you are not a man, but a beggar." I read the comments, reread the letter again. What are the claims to the author - using someone's you @ ep on the Internet, he concludes that you need to crush your own fifth column despite the internal difficulties. Where are they not?
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    11. +4
      8 March 2014 12: 19
      It seems to me, or many did not understand what the article is about? Author Ilya Korolev (ilya_82) CONDEMNS (!!!) the provocative letter to the president from "residents of the Perm region"! It was not he who wrote the letter. Apparently, some "readers" read only the first and last lines of articles.
      The author’s big mistake is that the Far East has become entangled. Jell is bred.
      But on the other hand, the number of negative reviews shows the weakness of style and civic position. It is necessary to write so that the reader does not miss a single line. That the text is imprinted in the hearts.
    12. rumatam
      -4
      8 March 2014 13: 16
      and you, judging by the answer, are a complete bastard.
    13. 0
      8 March 2014 15: 36
      You have an anti-record, judging by the minuses
    14. 0
      9 March 2014 01: 43
      and for what so many minuses .. for the truth?
  2. +3
    8 March 2014 07: 38
    All lit up on a similar send to raise social programs in hard to reach places.
    Let them know the difference between talking and hard work.
    The most odious talkers send on foot erotic tour to the west.
    They will love them there.
    1. +37
      8 March 2014 07: 56
      This is complete nonsense about anything like this. The residents of Perm and Perm Territory did not declare a 100 percent guarantee information from the source, this is the work of the 5th scum column here, moreover, a rally in support of Crimea will be held on March 10 in Perm, draw conclusions, comrades! conclusions!
      1. -12
        8 March 2014 08: 06
        this type of proletarian simply dragged this diarrhea with with his postscript below a troll of some sort
      2. +2
        8 March 2014 08: 33
        So I'm talking about the 5th column and write.
        Honestly by the number of minuses put to me, I began to worry about the country. Do we really have so many liberoids?
        Then they no longer have to be sent to work, but to actively shoot, otherwise we will get all the "charms" that are happening in Ukraine.
      3. +9
        8 March 2014 08: 48
        Bliin, the first time I hear that I live so bad in Perm! .. The richest region (oil-fertilizers-diamonds and the entire periodic table) with developed industry and an eternal lack of workers, the region is a donor, and it is so bad! From which oak the author collapsed I do not know. Naturally, there are enough problems, we live in Russia, but such as that of the author of the post - I don’t even know how to strain, what to imagine. Stopudovo, the author was not in Perm and simply does not imagine life here in the rich and well-fed Urals.
        1. vlum
          +1
          8 March 2014 09: 49
          I do not mind in essence, but suddenly I remembered this: at the end of last year, the film "The Geographer Drank His Globe Away" happened.

          This film caused an ambiguous reaction from me.
          On the one hand, there is a play of actors on personality problems,
          On the other hand, the film provides a background picture of the life of the city and the region as a whole.

          An interesting series comes out if you add Bondarchuk’s masterpiece to this film, but I don’t remember the rest, but there was something else either last year or earlier, for example, Mikhalkov’s masterpieces.
        2. +2
          8 March 2014 11: 39
          Maybe of course the author and slurred thoughts sets out and somewhere manure throws on the fan.
          Like most copy pasteors.
          But his main speech is actually about how to reduce the number of "effective" managers in local systems of government in the country so as not to run into something like what happened in Ukraine.
          So that the fifth column does not pass along the street with the orchestra.
          Ahead of the election on a different system.
          And through the new electoral system a large number of liberals from the fifth column can go into power.

          We, gentlemen, reserve workers, as the most understanding of the need to organize and discipline (not because someone will give an ass with a stick, but because it simply reasonably increases our chances of success), who understand that each of us has already gone public service (who is urgent, who hired), it is necessary to unite.

          As a person working in the housing and communal services, I’ll say right away that among the senior (chairmen of councils) houses of military stock there are a hell of a few.
          And in the councils of houses there are few of them.
          Minuscule.
          But where there are such people - the best order and control is in houses.
          Although it may tariffs are not the lowest.
          It’s easier for the former military to explain that maintenance costs as much as it costs, not because housing and communal services employees want it so much, but because the price of maintenance determines the level of requirements for it.
          There are very few "effective managers" among the former military.
          They were taught that it was not the loner who won, but the unit — the community.
          They have been taught that victory has a "price" - and that "price" determines how much the community can value the achievement of victory.
  3. +19
    8 March 2014 07: 39
    Some renegades from liberalism like to speak from the whole people. they take advantage of the country's problems for self-promotion of the fifth column. Nobody can say that we have a problem in bulk. but there are many problems in ourselves. But let them show me a country where the earthly paradise is for 100% of the inhabitants, where there are no problems. I doubt that such people will be found in the next 10-15 parsecs from the Sun.
    1. +2
      8 March 2014 08: 21
      http://topwar.ru/40735-kak-oni-nenavidyat-nas.html
  4. -4
    8 March 2014 07: 39
    And the news for what, what to discuss? trolling sofa internet fighters or what? request
  5. +5
    8 March 2014 07: 44
    And now, to solve social problems in a particular region, you need to send troops! ??? In my opinion some kind of nonsense !!!!
  6. +11
    8 March 2014 07: 44
    everything is correct of course. need to return the Russian lands, Russian cities. Kiev, Kharkov, Sevastopol, Crimea, New Russia. just the question. and those who created such a situation in Perm and in many other Russian cities, are they not enemies? this is not the fifth column, only from another camp? internal enemies they are different!
  7. +32
    8 March 2014 07: 46
    Well, I’m also Perm, for reference, on the 10th I’ll go to the rally, on October Square (if possible, with whom to leave the children), in support of the Crimea. No one at the local level interferes, in principle, with influencing deputies and others, defending their rights. At other levels, too.
    It is clear that no one asked any troops to be brought in here, this is idiot trolling, quite predictable, no more, the "5th column" tugriks also need to be worked out. Whoever is on this, that maydown, let's face it)).

    As for housing - participation in the regional program to support young families (700 thousand rubles from the budget) made it possible to take on a mortgage in a well-known bank (through a credit line, again focused on young families) a wonderful "three rubles" in a new brick building in Motovilikha, matkapital immediately they sent to repay the loan, 7 years have passed, there is less than "half a multi" left to pay.

    There are problems, no one argues (I don’t like the rent for 6t.r. and gas prices (I go to work faster and cheaper on the tram), and the salary of the municipal employee that I became half a year ago disappoints, let’s say frankly much more), but this is not a reason to pour mud on our Motherland, this is our home, we will not equip it ourselves, we ourselves will not - there will always be others.
    1. +6
      8 March 2014 08: 19
      In, the speech of her husband.
      And there are mourners everywhere.
    2. +5
      8 March 2014 08: 21
      Quote: Michael_59
      this is not a reason to pour mud on our Motherland, this is our home, we will not equip it ourselves, we ourselves will not - there will always be others.
      Everything is correct ++++ good
    3. stroporez
      0
      8 March 2014 08: 40
      Quote: Michael_59
      the salary of a municipal employee that I became half a year ago disappoints
      - that is, 20000 rubles is not enough? laughing
    4. +1
      8 March 2014 08: 51
      At our office, even the director of the office called on everyone who could come to October Square, everyone at work also supported Crimea and everyone else who was against Nazism and other scum.

      See you at the rally

      PS I also live in the same area.
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  8. +11
    8 March 2014 07: 46
    Well, why the hell right now, in the current extremely difficult circumstances in the Crimea, where the most important geopolitical problems are being solved (by the way, for the good of the entire Russian people) to write about this? Why "feed" Western journalists with malicious sensations? They, to their gloating joy, will definitely notice such letters and write relevant articles with a negative description of Russia! If you feel so bad in the Perm Territory, then what is the point of looking for examples of conflict resolution in Crimea? Life "priperla" - get together with the townspeople, hold a mass rally, organize actions of dissent, etc. And, believe me, the more persistent you are, the more chances that he will be noticed. Accordingly, your governor will get unpleasant experiences for his future ...
    1. +5
      8 March 2014 08: 04
      No "sensations". Paid article. There is an information war going on, everything that is said in the West about freedom of speech is utter nonsense. Information about the events in Ukraine is presented extremely one-sided, read the review of the foreign press. Soon it will come to the point that they will kiss "non-stale Natsiks" in the ass, as bearers of freedom and democracy.
      So we need to intensify the struggle in the information field. You cannot win without it.
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  9. +5
    8 March 2014 07: 49
    And these clever men did not try to work?
    1. +2
      8 March 2014 08: 19
      It's hard.
    2. +2
      8 March 2014 08: 48
      Quote: mastodont
      And these clever men did not try to work?

      They’re working in a bastard. Tell me, did anyone in the fifth column see ordinary hard workers? Basically, some loafers who eat, drink produced in this country, by the people, as they speak with whom they were unlucky. And you will expel them from the hill, because there will not be ceremonies with such freaks. Occupy Wall Street showed it to everyone.
    3. stroporez
      +2
      8 March 2014 09: 25
      In 1991, co-workers called for bandyukov, near Moscow ........... went to the oil field with a pombard ....... for this, incidentally, I had to take Russian citizenship and move to Yamal. from which I conclude: whoever wants to do it, whoever does not want --- aching .........
  10. waisson
    +1
    8 March 2014 07: 49
    snot dismissed crying -And it is easy for you now?
  11. +2
    8 March 2014 07: 51
    Author, change the title of the publication.
  12. Karatag
    +3
    8 March 2014 07: 55
    My brothers live in Perm. For many years, doctors left one of them 2 months of life. But ... Alive, healthy and very much ... He started by not starting to listen to doctors and waiting for this deadline, but by taking steps, moving ... I don’t think it was the Permians who wrote this appeal.
  13. +10
    8 March 2014 07: 55
    Listen to the respected author Russian waxes have long been located in the Perm Territory. "I think so!"
  14. +9
    8 March 2014 07: 58
    This is the premise that everything is good with foreign policy and we are joining new lands, but it would not be time to tackle the economy closely, to carry out industrialization, etc. etc.! We build kindergartens, school houses, hospitals, and we maintain and finance from the treasury which is replenished from the sale of resources ... I would like to build factories, it is more interesting and more complicated, and richer, but in the end there will be no need to shake when energy prices start to fall! hi
    PS: So far, the state will not give us money all the construction costs are stake, this is because there are only hucksters around, and the factories (those that survived) are breathing fine ... the defense really rises slowly, but that's not all!
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  16. +4
    8 March 2014 08: 04
    it’s hard for everyone, regardless of the level of the social ladder ...
    my deceased grandmother, during the Second World War had a cow, besides her 5 children, she did not let several other families die .. this is how our ancestors lived, shared everything in difficult times ..
    support your neighbor, despite the difficulties, that’s our strength!
  17. +2
    8 March 2014 08: 10
    For reference: Separatist trends are strong in the Perm Territory ... Separatism is everywhere present to some extent, nothing can be done about it. But at every opportunity, the fifth column takes advantage of this. Conclusion: Together we are stronger than strife, because our enemies want to divide us!
    1. +1
      8 March 2014 08: 56
      smith7 "For your information: There are strong separatist currents in the Perm Territory ... Separatism is to some extent present everywhere, nothing can be done."
      Enlighten please and who is there seperate? Not really Permian Komi? I have not met a calmer people. Their number is small. And Perm Territory is not the poorest. Perm is an industrial city. There is oil production. The main roads in the region are not the worst in the country. In Udmurtia, an example is worse.
      Maybe you should drive yourself and look at the Russian city of Perm, and then talk about separatism?
    2. +1
      8 March 2014 09: 19
      Quote: smith7
      For reference: Separatist trends are strong in the Perm Territory ... Separatism is everywhere present to some extent, nothing can be done about it.

      I understand that Permian separatism from Tula is particularly clearly visible. Do not let me die fool, tell me, what is it expressed in? Did the Komi-Permyaks plan to secede back? I live in Perm, maybe I don’t know what? R.S. For the first time I hear about a letter to the president.
  18. +1
    8 March 2014 08: 16
    The more the 5 column is indignant, the more correct our actions.
    1. +7
      8 March 2014 08: 33
      What kind of actions? Amnesty Serdyukov? Guys, don’t put on pink glasses, we have the same government, with DAMA and Chubais. Another question is that they do not change the horses at the crossing, and now the moment is dumb, so we all need to bite the bit, put up with. But endure consciously, not forgetting, and not twisted in the clouds. The article is correct, but not timely. hi
      1. -1
        8 March 2014 09: 45
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        What kind of actions? Amnesty Serdyukov?

        Interesting ... where is the article about Serdyukov written?
        We will always be dissatisfied with the authorities because "The state is the apparatus of violence of the minority over the majority" - K. Marx. Citizens' inequality was originally embedded in the very principle of building society. Our enemies skillfully use this ...
        BUT - this is a completely different topic.
        In the same article, the author contrasts our troops allegedly already brought into Ukraine with their own interests ...
        He is against the help of 20-and millions of Russian prayers for help and protection from destruction ... hi
  19. +5
    8 March 2014 08: 17
    but a person striving to think independently, without "cliches". For example, I don’t like that the “go-ahead” was given to support only Crimea, and the East is generally forgotten ... One gets the feeling that we “merged” the East.

    lol lol lol

    Not right, not right.

    What a go-ahead. It seems to me that any sane person who remembers his history, such great people as Rumyantsev-Zadunaisky, Suvorov, Potemkin, Kutuzov, Nakhimov and many other Heroes of the Fatherland, remembers the Crimean War and the defense of Sevastopol then and during the Second World War, did not wait, and never will not wait for any signal. For such people, Crimea is Russia, Sevastopol is a Russian city !!! And I personally don't care about all the pluralism on this issue, I don't care what the "enlightened" West thinks. To understand all their hypocrisy, it is enough to simply find in the archives excerpts from newspapers of that 19th century and the beginning of the 20th that they wrote about Russia. The same streams of lies and guamna. And I think there are a lot of people like me. And no matter how I relate to the President, I am more enraged by the attitude towards Russia, THIS IS FIRST, and not the attitude towards V.V. Putin. Presidents (like tsars and emperors) come and go, but Russia remains!

    And yes, is that the Perm Territory of the slabons to the west of the Ural Mountains, or is everything beyond the Moscow Ring Road? am
  20. +3
    8 March 2014 08: 18
    I agree with the author. It seems that the fifth column is supported almost at the state level. I had to deal with "independent ukrami". More recently, Soviet people. They love Bandera, being Russians they hate Russians. It is understandable why they were taught to hate Russians. But why do the Russian authorities encourage hatred of Russians? I agree, they took Crimea, merge Novorossiya and nothing is done for the development of Russia.
  21. Nikich
    +1
    8 March 2014 08: 23
    "For example, I don't like that the" go-ahead "has been given to support only Crimea, and the East has been forgotten altogether ... One gets the feeling that we have" merged "the East" - yes it is
  22. Partizan
    +3
    8 March 2014 08: 24
    Quote: ssergn
    ...
    And yes, is that the Perm Territory of the slabons to the west of the Ural Mountains, or is everything beyond the Moscow Ring Road? am

    WHAT IS BEYOND Moscow Ring Road is the castle, and here is the "east"

    Our patients cannot get the medicine and treatment they need, the level of our education is falling every year, children's sections and circles are closing down, and agriculture has been practically destroyed.

    This is all perfectly true, the Perm region is located in such a country, and the whole country is in such a hole. If someone thinks differently - live in Zamkadye.
  23. +1
    8 March 2014 08: 27
    It is time in Russia to create people's courts and give them special powers, up to the expulsion of liberals, bribe takers, traitors from the state at 24 hours. And especially zealous, bombers to Siberia, for forced labor, it's time to create lists of candidates.
    1. KOH
      +1
      8 March 2014 08: 36
      And nah .. are they in Siberia? ...
      1. wanderer_032
        0
        8 March 2014 09: 12
        Quote: CON
        And nah .. are they in Siberia? ...

        Right nah .... We have a bunch of our fucking ... ov missing.
        1. 0
          8 March 2014 09: 32
          I agree, out of habit, I blurted out. Then at the discretion of the population. feel
          1. KOH
            +1
            8 March 2014 11: 28
            Voted! Ciumadan, airport, Washington ... tongue
    2. +1
      8 March 2014 12: 39
      Quote: mountain
      It is time in Russia to create people's courts and give them special powers, up to the expulsion of liberals, bribe takers, traitors from the state at 24 hours.

      about bribe takers, the idea is good. But just 24 hours is clearly not enough to drive the army of bribe takers from the country. mixed up. The right hand washes the left, and both hands - the face. soon in 24 hours they will throw out all honest people from the country.

      I remembered a shot from the movie "Beware of the car.
      There, the wife of the hero of Mironov offers to give the investigator in his paw. He is indignant: What are you, he is an investigator! She calmly says: -It needs to give so much to take!
      Every official our time has a price. Alas, this is reality.
      1. +1
        8 March 2014 12: 59
        I don’t think that everything is so complicated, because they created services to control the quality of goods. Another example of initiatives, emergency lights, sidewalks forced cars and for me it is possible to move on. I bet if the majority of citizens collect enough signatures in all regions on the abolition of the amnesty for Sirdyukov, then the result will not keep waiting.
        1. +1
          8 March 2014 18: 08
          Valery, I always respect the opinion with which I disagree, whatever it may be. If most citizens, even if all citizens collect signatures in the case of Serdyukov’s amnesty, still no one will cancel the amnesty and no one will imprison him. The stool is an honest swindler and how an honest thief shared his loot. Otherwise, he would not have been alive long ago (sudden heart attack, accident, plane crash, etc.). Is it really not clear that stealing billions from the state under the Criminal Code is a serious crime, which does not involve the application of amnesty. All the people were fooled at first about the fact that they didn’t know the stool, then they started to start a case of negligence and finally granted amnesty.
          They don’t put their own! And the laws do not apply to these people. Please tell me, is the theft of billions a negligence? If not, then why did the TFR give such an article

          The opinion of the people to one place is all power. This applies to all power. And yours, and ours, and theirs.
          1. 0
            8 March 2014 20: 53
            + I agree, but so hunting that everything would be according to the law.
            Thank you for communication, lobster hayyam.)))
            1. 0
              9 March 2014 00: 17
              Quote: mountain
              + I agree, but so hunting that everything would be according to the law.
              Thank you for communication, lobster hayyam.)))

              And thank you Valery. Of course, we all want the rule of law. Unfortunately, this does not roll now. Now other rules
  24. Filon
    +5
    8 March 2014 08: 28
    Quote: ruslan
    internal enemies they are different!

    I agree! Only few people are able to go beyond the "talking shop", to do business ...

    Dear Permyaks! Greetings to you from the Volgograd region!
    ... And from life: an aunt over 60, came to our small town. One-room apartment on the top floor of the "Khrushchev" building. The house has 5 entrances, the roof flows equally and evenly over the entire area (such is justice). Every month a meeting of tenants is held, the turnout for which has never exceeded 15%. Everyone's got things to do, you know. Attempts to find out on what day and at what time it is convenient for people showed that only February 30 ...
    ... 15% within an hour chant something from the category "The roof needs to be repaired! We cannot live like this! We must do it!" It seems like someone should, either a housing office, or a boar, but someone definitely should. I just have to! An attempt to unite a group of activists for visits to the authorities inevitably reduces the staff to a couple of three people (needless to say that this is unambiguous and only residents of the top floors? I think this clarification would be superfluous). The time of the event is being negotiated, goals and slogans are chanted once again. Only here again, things emerge unexpectedly ... or something else happens, but one way or another, no one is going anywhere. And a month later, the parsley is repeated. And again, "We must! We must! This is not the case!" Every now and again...
    In short, the aunt turned out to be an old school, reached not only the housing office, but also the city administration. And the leadership of the region wrote a letter. And somewhere else, almost to the prosecutor’s office and the presidential administration ...
    And what do you think? Within a month some sort of brigade of hard workers appeared and patched up the roof! Exactly above her apartment + 2 meters around the perimeter!
    And the rest of the tenants gather with enviable constancy, and again they say "We must! Must! This is not the case!"

    And here it also comes through: "Enter! Do it! Must! Must!" Only further conversations in the kitchen / shouts in the yard, it almost never goes. However, now there are a lot of opportunities to draw attention to problems (which by themselves cannot be solved in any way), and a lot of instances to which one can turn. Bureaucracy? Long? Welcome to the Internet portal of state services! No queues for you, no personal communication with bureaucrats! And even if you are sure that "there" everything is from PZhiV, you can also be sure: there is always a "F" to whom you can complain about "V", and who values ​​his place more than this very "V". And therefore "F" will force "C" to deal with your problems.

    And to help Crimeans and normal Ukrainians-a holy cause, IMHO. You do not think that now they will build Eden and they will be in Christ's bosom? They will have to work no less than residents of other regions and regions. Than me, than you ... Than all of us!

    I sincerely wish you to solve all your problems! And never be in a situation in which the entry of troops is really necessary!

    Respectfully to all participants,
    R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№
    1. +1
      8 March 2014 09: 04
      And hto minus the post - that Troll! That's right, Vitaly. On all sides - give-should. Didn’t you do it yourself?
      1. +2
        8 March 2014 09: 15
        Quote: Gunsmith
        On all sides - give-should.

        No wonder pseudo vessels on all channels litter the brain. Test purchase, housing and communal services - all this is a diversion against people. We see the result every day, looking at pedestrians. People were told that they SHOULD be missed, and common sense and a sense of self-preservation faded into the background. Broilers
        But all this is the result of a very complex and thoughtful program to change the mentality of the people. hi
    2. +1
      8 March 2014 09: 50
      I agree. The example of the HOA of their home shows how most do not want to put their efforts into solving problems. Previously, there was a management company that simply did nothing. They were silent. Now they are trying their own. Of course, not everything works out, but, most importantly, finally, it is clear what is being done. However, now there are many critics. Everyone needs to work. Dependents spawn, but did not learn to ask them. Although there is a solution (remember how in the cartoon): if you do not know how - we will teach, if you do not want to - we will force. It is necessary to put the governors of those who are able to manage, for example, as in Kaluga or Belgorod. Unfortunately, the Kremlin is often driven by the ability to speak, and then there is not enough determination to abruptly get rid of stupidity - they themselves are also to blame. Strength is manifested in the ability to admit your mistakes. People will always appreciate it.
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  26. +1
    8 March 2014 08: 30
    In the Perm region there are enough troops. The author apparently does not know. If envied, let him go to live in Crimea.
    1. MAG
      +1
      8 March 2014 11: 59
      I live in Perm)) voice this gigantic list))) Sokol base, equipment storage base in Tchaikovsky (if there is still one), VV Institute (train rear officers) of all students, only cynologists "militants"))), artillery regiment in Zvezdnoye was disbanded. For me, the duck is missing exactly the warhead)
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      2. -2
        8 March 2014 14: 56
        Quote: MAG
        equipment storage base in Tchaikovsky (if any)

        You exactly put it "STORAGE BASE" ...
        Maybe not quite a technique, but still. When I decided to make this "clip" (I came across a video on the network) I did not think for a long time which audio track to use. But without a mat ...


        He began to mount at work, when there was a free minute. But quickly threw this venture ...
        Colleagues (Germans) approached and asked, "What is this? Where is this? Is this in Russia after the WAR?!?" belay
        I did not know how to answer - I was ashamed, insulted, hurt at heart ...
        I remember those times when there were still large openwork landing stages here, little white "Rockets" and "Meteors" were scurrying about, passenger ships were imposingly tossing and turning and pressed against each other, and I still remember a lot of good, light and kind ...
        And for this I will not forgive anyone who deprived me of this - the memory of my CHILDHOOD and YOUTH !!!
  27. +2
    8 March 2014 08: 34
    You can argue and talk a lot about the fact that our country is far from the standard of living that we would like, this is correct, we SHOULD fight and do everything to make life better. You can even omit the fact that the standard of living in Ukraine, and this, according to official data, is FOUR times lower than in Russia, but what cannot be disregarded - guys, those who wrote an appeal from Perm and Vologda, answer, just yourself, you are afraid the fact that at any moment thugs can tumble into your house and pull you to give an answer to the next Maidan? If you have a fear for your relatives and children, that at any time they may be subjected to physical violence, simply because they did not want or could not answer the cry - "Glory ....."?
  28. +7
    8 March 2014 08: 34
    Quote: mountain
    And especially zealous, demolitionists to Siberia,

    You reached the depths of the Siberian soul. They have nothing to do here. Send them to another three-letter country.
    PS USA
  29. +2
    8 March 2014 08: 35
    So when I read that the residents of the Perm region are asking for troops, I understand that this is the work of our “fifth column”. Their task is to form an opinion that we don’t need Crimea, we have enough of our problems. We, in the opinion of these "patriots", do not need the Caucasus. These eaters are well aware that we will let the Caucasus go and tomorrow it will be radicalized and will come to us, to Ekaterinburg, to Perm, we will let go of Ukraine and tomorrow Bandera will come to us, to Voronezh, to Rostov. And, as practice shows, this does not need Army Groups Center, North and South. Only traitors, the “fifth column” and weak power are needed. These corrupt creatures continue to push the common man on a sore spot. "Down with the ballast, there is nothing to eat by yourself !!!" - they say. And the rabble from this fifth column is educated, their lies go into a thin banter - ten lines that the author is a patriot and, like, says everything correctly, but a couple of lines in these ten winds up a snake informational "release". And this "blowout" works, people believe it. It's so funny when the troops (ha-ha), when in the Perm region (just scream). But I hope that the Russian people will be able to separate the wheat from the chaff.

    You can name their names: B. Nemtsov, G. Kasparov, Navalny, L. Gozman, S. Aleksashenko, I. Prokhorova, V. Shenderovich, A. Makarevich, S. Kucher, etc. (By the way, they can eventually turn into Azarov , Tyagnibok, Klitschko, if they manage to hypnotize us with the concepts of "human rights", "freedoms", etc.)
  30. +3
    8 March 2014 08: 37
    I myself am now facing a dilemma to try on the yoke of mortgage lending. With the cost of a one-room apartment of almost two and a half million Russian rubles for 20 years, I will pay the amount twice as much as I borrow. And there are a myriad of such problems.

    Tight as you have .. I bought a two-room apartment in the center of Kaliningrad with all the amenities, all the counters after a thorough repair for 2.3, I got into the mortgage, but what can I do ...

    Quote: Gardamir
    I agree with the author. It seems that the fifth column is supported almost at the state level. I had to deal with "independent ukrami". More recently, Soviet people. They love Bandera, being Russians they hate Russians. It is understandable why they were taught to hate Russians. But why do the Russian authorities encourage hatred of Russians? I agree, they took Crimea, merge Novorossiya and nothing is done for the development of Russia.


    Fedorov’s speech yesterday - 5 column, Ukraine, Putin, etc. The answer to Perm is for what reason the high utilities, why the Russian government pursues a pronounced anti-Russian policy ... Look at everything and stop asking questions, I assure you.

  31. vladsolo56
    +4
    8 March 2014 08: 39
    In Russia, it is time to change the constitution again and restore order. I want to turn to the Perms before writing such a letter, you must unite as in the Crimea, choose your power as in the Crimea (legally notice) and if someone threatens you then write a letter of help. I am always struck by our slowness, in Russia there are quite legitimate opportunities to influence any government. But many have only heard: why vote is still useless. Despite the fact that an average of 50% of the population goes to the polls. then they complain that the government is bad. I am sure that even if 80% or better 90 come, and the majority will vote for their popular demands, then no power will stand, and no fraud will work. In addition, observers can be nominated by law. Here is my answer to Permyaks and to all Russians in general, if you want to live better, stop sitting and crying at home, express your citizenship in the elections.
    1. 0
      8 March 2014 09: 46
      Vladimir, just imagine for a minute. That it will be so, the people in Perm will take to the streets will demand. Start to hold a meeting and what? Right ! That's when the government will bring troops into the region. ".. And don't confuse yourself with the Crimea, salty ears! Here you are not there, and so on and so on." But why exactly Perm, everywhere the situevina will be similar.
      pysy. in order not to be misunderstood, I clarify - I have nothing to do with swamp scum
  32. +1
    8 March 2014 08: 40
    In the Perm Territory, there are big problems with drugs, hence the calls for such.
    The boy misses the army, so let him go to the draft board!
    Most likely such FROW strangles that money will not be spent on them. Apparently they forgot the saying that the avaricious pays twice, and d cancer three times!
    1. 0
      8 March 2014 09: 03
      Yes Yes.
      Avaricious pays twice, stupid - three times, suckers always pay.
  33. +1
    8 March 2014 08: 41
    Quote: free
    This is complete nonsense about anything like this. The residents of Perm and Perm Territory did not declare a 100 percent guarantee information from the source, this is the work of the 5th scum column here, moreover, a rally in support of Crimea will be held on March 10 in Perm, draw conclusions, comrades! conclusions!

    I agree!!!
  34. +3
    8 March 2014 08: 41
    Guys. 300 cyber war specialists arrived in Ukraine. The information war is in full swing. Americans are not kidding, otherwise you will have to enter polite to Dayreuth.
    1. +1
      8 March 2014 08: 59
      Pin.dos swing Eurasia. There were problems from Yugoslavia to Fukushima with Ameravian super-duper safe reactors. Lavrov would have reminded Europe of how two successful attempts to quarrel Russia and Germany in the last century ended, and the fact that the island gentlemen are mysteriously silent, and now the woman is crucifying for them does not change the essence.
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  36. +3
    8 March 2014 08: 44
    A stupid little article, the author is stupid and confuses the warm with the soft.
    In terms of living standards, Perm is not the worst region in Russia and in the world.
    And the problems in the Russian Federation are common for all, characteristic of capitalism.
    Putin will not restore socialism in Russia with any troops, only the people themselves can.
  37. +2
    8 March 2014 08: 44
    And I always said - very little attention is paid to the fifth column, although these creatures are all in sight, not the 19th century ...
  38. +4
    8 March 2014 08: 44
    I completely agree with the Author! This is the work of the fifth column. Especially these scum in Perm intensified! The governor there was one who washed off to France, where there are no Russians.

    That's right, let’s surrender the Crimea, then there will be a blow directly to Russia.

    Why is the East merging so far? We cannot organize a referendum there ourselves. That's when there the inhabitants will still throw off the Gauleiter, when the security forces will change their minds and will not support the Gaileyters and will stand up for the people themselves, then everything will be.

    Everything will be in the East, when there will be a positive experience of Crimea !!!

    I want to share with the author my experience in building a house.

    not sure if he will read my post. Tell him, please, let him contact me!

    A few years ago I decided to build a house, not buy an apartment, and everything worked out! A house turns out to be 5 times cheaper than an apartment!
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  41. +1
    8 March 2014 08: 52
    Some kind of stupidity, not an article. I live in the north of the Perm Territory, in the outback, one might say. I have not been to Europe, there is nothing to compare with. But you can live if you don’t freak out with fat, like many in the “outskirts”. And the roads in Perm and the region are being built, and with landscaping is much better than in the 90s. Enterprises are working and new ones are being built. We are building three new potash mines at once, and different companies. And oil is pumped, only "the noise is worth it." If housing is not being built in Perm, then where else is it being built? "children's sections and circles". In the villages, of course, it is more difficult with this, but it has always been so, but in cities there are no problems with this. if desired. By the way, about agriculture. Yes, in comparison with the Soviet regime, it is in decline. On the other hand, it is not for nothing that our region (the northern regions at least) has always been called "the country of eternally green tomatoes." And he always lived on huge subsidies. In short, all this is nonsense. Not Moscow, of course, but you can live.
  42. wanderer_032
    +9
    8 March 2014 08: 52
    I read the comments and I see that the majority do not "catch up" at all where the fairy tale is, and where the fairy tale is. Where is the article, and where is the preface.
    For those who are on the "armored train" and who have "armor in three packs of margarine" in their heads, I explain that the letter to Putin was not written by the author, he brought it in his article as a preface (as a quote from the local Perm Internet publication 59.ru. ) and all this is in italics, and the article itself is written below. Yes
    As for the article itself. I personally agree with the opinion of the author.
    And those who write comments without delving into the essence, I ask you to refrain from hasty conclusions and read carefully. hi

    And for those who "from yesterday" and have not yet regained consciousness, I want to say that before reading something where you need to strain your brain, get drunk first and come to your senses. laughing drinks
  43. Kodar 75
    +2
    8 March 2014 09: 00
    About this damn it, lousy column was written in the Russian Conversation newspaper in the news, society, and politics section called the Kunstkamera of the fascist liberals. To whom it is interesting to read.
  44. +5
    8 March 2014 09: 00
    I saw this article on a local site, laughed at it at work))) At our guys at work (Perm) everyone is worried about Ukraine, all as one on the side of Russia and support Putin's actions. This is probably the rare case when the opinion of the team is unambiguous. The only thing I want to say, yes, the attention of the central authorities to the outback is very small, both in Soviet times and now. This is a minus for the authorities, even if they are corrected by their actions. But despite this, the inhabitants of the region are optimistic about the future!
  45. +2
    8 March 2014 09: 02
    A pun on March XNUMX?
  46. +4
    8 March 2014 09: 02
    Nevertheless, I partially agree with the author. The fifth column comes to us from abroad, Uzbeks, Tajiks, etc. These have already begun to create their enclaves in Russia. Do not forget the Chinese threat, that’s who silent creeps everywhere. Therefore, we should take a closer look inside the country - otherwise they chop off something !!!
  47. +2
    8 March 2014 09: 02
    People! Yes, you’ll soon get tired of everything; maybe it’s enough to bite each other; I climbed Kiev sites at night; Now we get together and spit on each other !? so whether it could be a provocation, who checked where the article is from, where the appeal and signatures are, and most importantly, if you are telling the truth, then show yourself in the address fact that I am. So, I live there, such an address, such a phone, their name is and work there! all then even everyone will believe A DROP OF DISEASE IS NOT DIFFICULT TO SOW !!!!!! so if there are problems then the person is not hidden.

    There are enough problems everywhere and it is necessary to solve them, I don’t think that a good specialist sits without work, I went to Sochi, privately made individual boiler rooms, that is. heating system, equipment replacement, etc. and I’ll say right away and no offense, who wanted to earn one and earned decently.

    And today everyone knows perfectly well WHAT IF CRIME WE WILL LOSE THAT TOMORROW WE WILL AT ALL CANNOT EVEN LIFE FRIENDLY AS THE GAYROPAWNER WILL COME AND WE WILL ALWAYS DIE IN POVERTY AND CHILDREN A LONG TIME ONE AFTER!
  48. +1
    8 March 2014 09: 11
    For the 5 column, it's time to apply the 37 year
  49. 0
    8 March 2014 09: 12
    Putin was asked to send troops to the Perm region

    We will deal with the Ukrainians, and immediately to you. At the same time, we will increase the birth rate.
    1. +1
      8 March 2014 11: 04
      With those who asked to send troops to the Perm Territory, Perm itself will figure it out. Tea is not finger made. With birth, we are also in order. I’m raising two boys myself. The daughter gave birth to a grandson and by May promises another fighter. So if you need an instructor contact.
      Well, for those who feel bad in Perm, I advise you to turn to the classic - Nekrasov "Who lives well in Russia?" Re-read and perhaps you will understand that great things are not done with sad complaints. And things will be really big and interesting this week. You can even say fateful.
      If the Crimean authorities do not manage to do what they conceived at 16.03.2014 of the year, this will really be a victory for the Russian national consciousness!
      But in London, Paris, etc. they understand this perfectly and they’ll try to put more than one stick in our wheels. But I want to believe that Aksyonov with the Chernomorets and the Crimean militia are ready for this, and all these sticks and tows will be broken.
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  50. Sergey315
    +6
    8 March 2014 09: 15
    “We have learned that you, Vladimir Putin, want to send troops to the Crimea in order to protect the rights of the Russian-speaking population. In this regard, we have a big request - to send troops to the Perm region. We are all Russian-speaking here, and our rights are greatly affected. Our patients cannot get the medicines and treatment they need, the level of our education falls every year, children's sections and clubs are closed, agriculture has been almost completely destroyed. We all suffer a lot. We learned that you are going to spend a lot of money to normalize life in the Crimea. Is it possible to spend this money on the normalization of life in the Perm region? And then our region is in such a debt pit that there is not enough money for anything. And we really need bridges, roads, sports facilities, industrial facilities, new jobs, ”local online edition 59.ru quotes the message from the residents of Perm region.
    Permyak himself will answer those who wrote this appeal
    1. About the road - over the past 10 years, so many have been built, how many have not been built since 1913 - Eastern and Western bypass, Perm-Berezniki, the city highway "Stakhanov-Chkalova" with access to the "Eastern bypass". The road Perm-Yekaterinburg is now being reconstructed. from Bersheti to Kukshtan. Moreover, all roads are 4-6 lanes with a dividing strip.
    2. Medicine - over the past 10 years, the largest in the Urals, the Pemskiy neotalny center, has been built. The wife works as an accountant in a polyclinic, the salary of a practicing surgeon is 48 rubles.
    3. The other day, another kindergarten was opened.
    4. Agriculture - we provide ourselves 100% with potatoes, chicken, pork
    5. Sports facilities - last year in Tchaikovsky built a ski jump and biathlon complex, where this year one of the world cup competitions took place. In February, they handed over an indoor ice rink in Krasnokamsk.
    6. At the end of last year, the building of the new drama theater was completed and commissioned in Kudymkar.
    This is all that I brought only from memory of those who wrote this most likely have never been to Perm and still apparently think that we have bears walking down the streets here, but drunk men on balayks are strumming
    1. protopop
      +2
      8 March 2014 14: 59
      All this is because, as Elder Paisius of Athos aptly said: some people resemble bees, while others resemble flies. A bee will never fly on manure, but only plant flowers on which to collect nectar. And flies, on the contrary, seek manure, find it everywhere, and joyfully eat it. Is it worth everyone to look at themselves - who do I look more like - a bee or a dung fly?
  51. 0
    8 March 2014 09: 19
    Quote: Gunsmith
    Naturally, there are enough problems, we live in Russia

    There are plenty of problems everywhere. There are no fewer of them abroad. Here (Mordovia), 18 young guys from 21 to 12 years old went to live in the States and work. After four months, almost everyone returned, except for the girl who found herself a boyfriend there. And they said that there was nothing to do there. Basically everyone said that living there, if not visiting, is difficult. And people’s relationships, as they say, are nothing personal, just business. And one said that he doesn’t want the kind of stupid children our children are turning into. LIFE IS HARD EVERYWHERE, AND YOU NEED TO WORK EVERYWHERE, BUT WE HAVE, LET THEY SAY, WORK IN LOTS. AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
    1. wanderer_032
      +1
      8 March 2014 09: 48
      Quote: aleksandroff
      AND WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK, DESPITE THEY SAY

      Yes.
      They only pay pennies for it, which most people can hardly make ends meet with.
      It also happens that these pennies are delayed, but the family needs food every day.
      And it happens that they don’t pay money at all, although nowadays (at least in our region) this is already a rarity, the main problem in Russia is low wages, especially in rural areas, as well as often unjustified increases in prices for vital goods and services due to which the majority of citizens live in poverty.
      To prevent people from writing such letters to the president, the country needs to make sure that basic laws work, of which there are already enough and not all of them are bad. Also, that all citizens, without exception, in positions and ranks, comply with these laws.
      This is necessary, first of all, for the authorities themselves, otherwise we will inevitably face what is happening in Ukraine now.
  52. ilya_82
    +1
    8 March 2014 09: 20
    Quote: ssergn
    And yes, is that the Perm Territory of the slabons to the west of the Ural Mountains, or is everything beyond the Moscow Ring Road?

    I'm talking about the East of Ukraine. I live in Yekaterinburg myself. Here it is quite possible to earn 35-45 thousand rubles as engineers in construction. But in Kamensk-Uralsky, at the KUMZ plant, I remember an article that they had developed a new alloy for the aviation industry, which was 30% lighter than those used today, the salary was 15 thousand rubles. I was building a new cold and hot rolling shop there. The structure is 600 meters long, the largest in Europe. On the one hand, I’m proud that we are being reborn, on the other hand, how can people live on 15? Glitter and poverty...
    Quote: wanderer_032
    I read the comments and see that the majority do not “catch up” at all with what is a fairy tale and what is a joke. Where is the article, and where is the preface. For those who are on the “armored train” and who have “armor of three packs of margarine” in their heads, I explain that the letter to Putin was not written by the author, he cited it in his article as a preface (as a quote from a local Perm online publication 59.ru.) and all this is highlighted in italic font, and the article itself is written below. As for the article itself, I personally agree with the author’s opinion. And for those who write comments without delving into the essence, I ask you to refrain from hasty conclusions and read more carefully.

    Thank you very much.
    Quote: v53993
    Judging by the text - you're not a man, but a beggar.

    It looks like a sick person wrote the comment. Or by type - I haven’t read it, but I condemn it
    1. 0
      8 March 2014 15: 17
      Yes, I’m from Yekaterinburg myself. As for the salary, I can competently say that 35-40 thousand are hard workers, finishers, masons who earn a little more.
      Masters, foremen - from 45 thousand and above, up to 60. And the technical and technical level is higher and even more so.
      And yes, there is simply a lot of construction in the region and the city. According to the Federal Target Program for kindergartens, oh, how much is being done. We are reconstructing the second kindergarten ourselves. Using government procurement, you can easily track how much is being done in this direction.
      I’ll also add that my parents live in Kuzbass (both are disabled). In the late 90s and early 2000s, they couldn’t make ends meet without my help. Now it’s easier, they even help their granddaughters - because the pension has really increased since then. Mom constantly goes to hospitals and talks about what they have built in terms of medicine - and this is a small mining town.
      What do I mean - all markers have different tastes and colors, those people first of all see what they want to see. Now, I understand that there is a lot of bad things, very, very much needs to be done, but for some reason I also see all the good things that are happening in our lives. Something like this. And, in order to be charged with positivity more often, I read doneunas.ru
      Pysy.
      And, damn it, it’s so nice to know that you are involved in the fact that the kids have a new, bright, beautiful and cozy kindergarten.
  53. +2
    8 March 2014 09: 21
    Kadyrov is right, the Maidan infection must be suppressed at its roots. They swindled the budget of Ukraine, now they are beggars, and only a madman will give money for nothing. You have to work hard and get life better!!!
  54. +3
    8 March 2014 09: 30
    Now the stones will fly towards me! But I'll tell you. No matter how much they slander the author of this article, the problems remain. And these problems cannot be solved in elections at the regional level, because these are systemic issues of our state. I’m not talking about drugs - I haven’t encountered it. But sending a child to kindergarten is a very big and insoluble problem until the legally prescribed 3-year-old age. The modern school curriculum with its Unified State Examination is a complete nightmare. Medicine is very, very expensive. If you have money, then this is, of course, not a problem. But these “non-problems” objectively exist. It is stupid to turn a blind eye to this.

    And this banter letter shows the humorous attitude of our population towards our state. As the song said, “this is our common gas and dreams come true only with you.” It’s a pity that the Perm letter is pure plagiarism, because one letter is a joke, and several letters are no longer funny, like an old joke.
    The text of the message is borrowed from a similar appeal to the Russian president from residents of Vologda.

    Look wider. Think more globally.
  55. +3
    8 March 2014 09: 30
    It’s a pure provocation and there’s nothing to “shag grandma” here, but the State Security agencies should deal with the material. The authors of this concoction need to be held accountable for slander and anti-state activities (I mean the local Internet publication 59.ru). And the man responded to the point. there is no need to “run into” this abomination
  56. +1
    8 March 2014 09: 37
    Happy March 8th to everyone! "Well, damn it...". “Everything was mixed up” again. Women’s Day probably “helped”, because for some reason, for women, “everything is the other way around”, such as not buttoning a coat to the left - to the right (“plowing it up”), but to the right - to the left. So are those “asking to send troops” to Perm, Vologda and others the edges and villages of our Motherland, they got something wrong: following the “logic” of their “complaints”, troops should not be brought in, but, on the contrary, withdrawn, the remaining “military” according to the plan should be disarmed and involved in peaceful, creative activities aimed at eliminating those directed at Putin comments on the organization of their peaceful life in all the noted areas and major “social malfunctions and injustices.” "Iron logic", right?
    Oh, seriously: happy March 8th again everyone! (I remind you). So we’ll “suffer it out” and “settle it” with Crimea, somehow..., in the first place or something.
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  58. +5
    8 March 2014 09: 53
    Did anyone actually read the article to the end?
    Therefore, when I read that residents of the Perm region are asking to send troops, I understand that this is the work of our “fifth column”.
    But I understand that our Western partners will never leave Russia alone, and by “missing” a blow in Ukraine, we expose our Motherland to enormous danger,
    This is what he writes about
  59. 0
    8 March 2014 09: 57
    Quote: Sergey315
    “We have learned that you, Vladimir Putin, want to send troops to the Crimea in order to protect the rights of the Russian-speaking population. In this regard, we have a big request - to send troops to the Perm region. We are all Russian-speaking here, and our rights are greatly affected. Our patients cannot get the medicines and treatment they need, the level of our education falls every year, children's sections and clubs are closed, agriculture has been almost completely destroyed. We all suffer a lot. We learned that you are going to spend a lot of money to normalize life in the Crimea. Is it possible to spend this money on the normalization of life in the Perm region? And then our region is in such a debt pit that there is not enough money for anything. And we really need bridges, roads, sports facilities, industrial facilities, new jobs, ”local online edition 59.ru quotes the message from the residents of Perm region.
    Permyak himself will answer those who wrote this appeal
    1. About the road - over the past 10 years, so many have been built, how many have not been built since 1913 - Eastern and Western bypass, Perm-Berezniki, the city highway "Stakhanov-Chkalova" with access to the "Eastern bypass". The road Perm-Yekaterinburg is now being reconstructed. from Bersheti to Kukshtan. Moreover, all roads are 4-6 lanes with a dividing strip.
    2. Medicine - over the past 10 years, the largest in the Urals, the Pemskiy neotalny center, has been built. The wife works as an accountant in a polyclinic, the salary of a practicing surgeon is 48 rubles.
    3. The other day, another kindergarten was opened.
    4. Agriculture - we provide ourselves 100% with potatoes, chicken, pork
    5. Sports facilities - last year in Tchaikovsky built a ski jump and biathlon complex, where this year one of the world cup competitions took place. In February, they handed over an indoor ice rink in Krasnokamsk.
    6. At the end of last year, the building of the new drama theater was completed and commissioned in Kudymkar.
    This is all that I brought only from memory of those who wrote this most likely have never been to Perm and still apparently think that we have bears walking down the streets here, but drunk men on balayks are strumming




    here is the answer to you that some are trying to cause confusion in our ranks and thereby distract us from what is on the agenda! Today and until the situation in the fratricidal war is resolved and the brown plague is expelled from geyropa, relations are normalized and the Crimean peninsula returns to its native pinatas!
  60. 0
    8 March 2014 10: 10
    Bitch, provocateur and fagot. Traitor and cheap. It's time to return the opportunity to send such smart guys into exile at least. And now there are his fellow countrymen there who can at least punch this nit in the face?
  61. 0
    8 March 2014 10: 13
    It looks like a planned provocation. Although there are plenty of internal problems.
  62. 0
    8 March 2014 10: 15
    Hooked normally! Info war however.. bully Blood is flowing in the inter..! God grant that it doesn’t come out in real life..!
  63. 0
    8 March 2014 10: 18
    I heard that a website has opened: “predatel.net” with a list of traitors to Russia. I propose to supplement the list with the names of provocateurs, and rename the site: “predatel I provokator.net”
  64. 0
    8 March 2014 10: 26
    he is partly right, Crimea should be taken away without question, but the Russian Federation helps everyone who doesn’t get caught, distributes credits, forgives, Greece, for example, has a recent history......and who will help the Russian peasant...look in our direction, we are there too . I’m not complaining, because a lot of money is being poured into us in the south, but our government must not forget that Russia is not Moscow, not the south, not St. Petersburg....
  65. 0
    8 March 2014 10: 26
    Quote: v53993
    Judging by the text - you're not a man, but a beggar.
    justification?
  66. 0
    8 March 2014 10: 29
    people (who are the author and who support) simply do not understand what is happening... Of course, American propaganda is doing its job, but this is again their personal problem.
    Crimea is strategically important for Russia - that’s a fact.
    In Crimea, people themselves have united to protect themselves from foreign intervention - in fact, they are on the front line at the beginning of the Patriotic War of liberation from the occupiers.
    If they are so worried about the financial costs of Crimea, then let them first advocate stopping the payment of tribute to the United States through the Central Bank... - you don’t even need to fight for this - you just need a peaceful rally
    In general, this is very similar to simple American propaganda on LiveJournal
  67. 52
    +1
    8 March 2014 10: 32
    An ordinary throwing of slop from the “fifth” column. You might think that in other regions everyone lives “in chocolate”. You need to work, not “mayday”. In Siberia people do this. And there are sports towns, and children's competitions are held, and poachers and lumberjacks are stopped.
  68. +4
    8 March 2014 10: 39
    Judging by the comments here on the VO website, there are quite a few Permians. good I myself am also from the Perm region, I live in a village, I have three children, I built a house with the help of the state, there is work, so “he who doesn’t work doesn’t eat gingerbread.” RS: Happy holiday to women love
  69. +3
    8 March 2014 10: 45
    I live in Perm myself. What is written in the article on behalf of Perm residents is bullshit. Perm is a very powerful economic region. Never been subsidized. The volume of construction, the availability of jobs, infrastructure and dozens of other indicators are much higher than in Russia as a whole.

    The calculation of the 5th column is that if there are “problems” in economically developed regions, then what can we say about subsidized and undeveloped ones.

    Don't trust trolls.
  70. +1
    8 March 2014 10: 49
    Maybe stop talking about verbiage? I knew Permians differently before. In Afghanistan they did not whine, but were real fighters, thanks to each other we won and remained alive.
  71. +1
    8 March 2014 10: 53
    Correct article. And let's return to this. What will happen if Donbass requests Russia? And where should we “hide” our dear fifth column? laughing That's the same...
  72. 0
    8 March 2014 11: 02
    They will knock, no matter who: Nazis, Democrats, militant LGBT representatives, Greenpeace, radical Islamists, envoys of Mars... They will knock not on the abstract Uncle Petya, but on you, dear reader, on the Permians... on me.
    All this mold is not accustomed to knocking, they climb into all the cracks without invitation. And you need to treat them accordingly, and not chew pink... roses.
  73. -2
    8 March 2014 11: 13
    Permians, maybe you should stop holding on to your skirt? It is necessary to fight the enemy, and not whine from the gateway.
  74. 0
    8 March 2014 11: 23
    <<< And our region is in such a hole of debt that there is not enough money for anything. And we really need bridges, roads, sports facilities, industrial facilities, new jobs,”>>>
    Behind all such lamentations, one can clearly see the protruding ears of our liberals from Nas..al and Co. and their Western curators - great specialists in stirring up discontent in society! The same lamentations were heard when facilities were being built in the Far East for the summit of heads of state, then when construction began on facilities for the Sochi Olympics. At the same time, the authors of such lamentations are not embarrassed by the fact that despite all the lack of money in the region where they live, the leading elite of the region, in including the one chosen by them, with the available money openly and calmly builds local branches of the Moscow “rublevka” and, in general, does not deny itself anything, while the local public, including the authors of the messages, sees all this and is SILENT - waiting so that Putin would come and restore order!
  75. -1
    8 March 2014 11: 43
    Putin was asked to send troops to the Perm region

    Today, 07: 29
    Print

    Well, you inserted an article about nothing, you don’t have the determination to pick up an AK. You're just a coward and a cunt....l
  76. 0
    8 March 2014 11: 53
    Quote: koksalek
    ...the attention of the central authorities to the outback is very small, both in Soviet times and now. This is a minus for the authorities, let them correct themselves through their actions. But despite this, residents of the region look to the future with optimism!

    And the main component of optimism today is for the MOTHERLAND to rise, then only the Russian people will be able to feel real improvement.
    And if you have to work really hard for this, it will happen.

    Economy for the sake of the HOMELAND, and not an end in itself.
    This is Russia's secret.
    Therefore, even today, in a far from brilliant economic situation, people collectively chip in for other people’s troubles.
  77. 0
    8 March 2014 12: 11
    what kind of pi..rs are churning out such letters? exactly the same thing happened only on behalf of the “Vologda region” - again bulk trolling began, apparently new grants arrived and his followers appeared on the forums, the same ones who carried out propaganda in the swamp
  78. +1
    8 March 2014 13: 00
    The author is a storyteller, and our mayor’s wife (Novgorod) earned more than Crimea should)))
  79. almast
    0
    8 March 2014 13: 15
    I fully support the author of the article, well done!
    If we don’t fight back in Ukraine, they will definitely come to us tomorrow!
  80. tyapa1111
    0
    8 March 2014 16: 04
    Why did you attack the author of the article like that???!!! I don't understand! He precisely condemns those who wrote this appeal to the president!!!
  81. shtirlizt
    -1
    8 March 2014 16: 05
    The fact of the matter is that Putin is not afraid of the USA, he is afraid of our Russian and non-Russian princes, barons and lords, otherwise how can one explain such an attitude towards the people!?
  82. 0
    8 March 2014 17: 26
    Why is the army going to build roads and kindergartens for you? You are a builder, so build... And build gardens, and your regional authorities, which seem to have gotten greedy. Here in Berdsk the mer has been sitting in a pre-trial detention center for almost a year, nothing is wrong, we’re coping.
  83. Gl00mDaem0n
    0
    8 March 2014 17: 32
    It feels like most didn’t read beyond the first paragraph. And for the South-East it’s true. Well, the South-East doesn’t have its own government like the Crimean autonomy, and deputies at all levels are 99% corrupt creatures. Therefore, there is no one to organize the people and clearly and competently formulate goals and objectives. So it’s not a fact that things here will even come to federalization and Russian as a second state.
  84. operator35
    0
    8 March 2014 18: 49
    you know, I was outraged by the article
    Everyone’s life is not very good - and where you can earn enough, people drink and mess around - it all depends on the person! Look at the people in Crimea - the situation is a mess - but nothing - they got together and are building a future... so there’s no need to let the snot out.
    I watched the president’s message when he talked with journalists for 4 and a half hours - I watched through force - and you know why - I was ashamed of those citizens who asked questions
    This is the PRESIDENT - he has such problems and obligations, and they asked him for such little things.... I honestly don’t remember, so in order not to lie, I won’t quote, but it was “the ravings of a madman,” dear! and each one only for his own beloved! no to say - we are ready to do this and that for the COUNTRY AND YOURSELF - GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY, VLADIMIR VLADIMIROVICH. Maybe it’s time to stop asking only for yourself - it’s time to ask for the country, the republic, the region, the region! and do it at least for the small homeland, and not just for your family..
    It's time to remember that the GREAT RUSSIAN STATE is behind us! we can do it ourselves!!! We will also help our Motherland!
  85. -1
    8 March 2014 22: 32
    The article is complete nonsense!!!!!! What a provocation!
  86. 0
    9 March 2014 00: 33
    I haven't read everything above. but a couple of days ago I read somewhere in the comments that there have been a lot of registrations on the site lately... so gentlemen, fellow patriots, we are intensively preparing for information provocations =)
  87. 0
    9 March 2014 07: 31
    Quote: Shick
    only they say that people "nerdy" live there

    Brake people, respected rocket engines, do not create and do not have one of the largest military-industrial complex enterprises and a bunch of research and stable enterprises.
    I gave the author of the article a minus, I don’t know where he found us in the Perm Territory to be such a destabilized place that troops need to be sent in.
  88. 0
    14 July 2014 20: 53
    Of course, we have enough problems in Perm (like everywhere else), but we live normally. And there are also enough military units to occupy half of Europe. laughing

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