October 1941 Propulsion Captured Soviet Tankman

Photos below are 18 October 1941g. near Tver. The Germans captured the captain of the commander T-34. His tank was immobilized after a ram. Quite a rare case: the T-34 and the German self-propelled gun met in the forehead in a tank ram.

The Germans open the hatch tank. One with a crowbar, the other with an ax. Self-propelled gun "" Shtug III "on the left.

General form.

Luke opened. Pull out the tank commander.

A very young guy. Looks aloof. Scared, or possibly contused.

Looks like he was not captured alone. Left in a ditch - still wounded Soviet tankers.

Modern trackers spent a lot of effort to establish who is in this photo. This is the tank number 4 of the 21-th tank brigade, which conducted in those days a raid on Kalinin (Tver). Presumably in the pictures - Lieutenant Dmitry Grigorievich Lutsenko. From Ukraine, Cherkassy district, Kiev region. 1921 born. 20 years old was a guy. According to the Memorial database, Ltsenko went missing without a trace during a raid on Kalinin. In this case, this means only one thing: he died soon after he was captured. In the front camp (Stalag) or on the way there. Therefore, I did not manage to get into the German registers for the registration of prisoners, which were compiled later.

Mortality in the front-line camps in the summer and autumn of 1941 was monstrous. Only in Vyazemsky Stalag about 100 thousand people died then. No one registered them — they dumped them into the ditch and that’s the end of it. Mortality was caused by terrible conditions of detention, poor sanitation, hunger, denial of medical care. The case was completed by an epidemic of typhus that lice carried.

A separate question - how did it happen that a ramming occurred, why didn’t the crew of the tank shoot a cannon? In German sources, it is sometimes claimed that their self-propelled guns went to the ram to stop the T-34. There are doubts on this score. The photo below (taken from here) was taken from a different angle and after the self-propelled gun was dragged. The same tank number XXUMX, and it is clear that he had pierced the barrel of a tank gun. The gun became useless and it remains only to go to the ram. Pretty decent hole, it's hard to say from what, perhaps, an armor-piercing bullet. What happened there in the battle with the tank number XXUMX, where he met his death 4-year-old commander, captured, we will never know ...

Comments

[Ilya 22]

I bow to our Veterans !!

[Duke]

Here they are unknown heroes. Honor and glory!

[vladimirZ]

The blessed memory of the warriors who completed the feat and died to the members of the T-34 tank crew of Lieutenant Lutsenko Dmitry Grigoryevich!
They fought for us, so that we live on our land, speak our own language and take care, protected by them.
And now fellow countrymen and possibly relatives of Lieutenant Lutsenko Dmitry Grigoryevich, from Ukraine, Cherkasy district of Kiev region, betray his memory, his feat, support the Bandera Maidan, the Nazi Bandera regime in Kiev.
I don’t understand how it happened? Why are stupefied people betraying their fathers and grandfathers, the memory of their ancestors?

[montemor]

I myself am from the Cherkasy region, and to be honest I don’t understand what happened to the people, they all seemed to have settled down with their independence. Only youth would be happy, but almost everyone is infected with this bacillus and they blame Russia and the Russians for everything. It’s useless to explain, like peas against the wall. If honestly, it’s scary.

[Su24]

A small episode of the Great War.

[svp67]

Remember! Respect! Proud!

[Dimych]

This is a real patriot of Ukraine. Glory to the hero!

[Luger]

It's nice to read about such people and remember.

[Alexey M]

Heroes !!! I always admired the deed of our grandfathers !!!
And how many crews blew themselves up with the tanks in a similar situation. Well, here are the chances the Germans had against us.

[Nagaibak]

"Quite a young guy. Looks aloof. Scared, or possibly a shell shock."
Scared
You would be in the tank! And tank on tank! And then take the light of God. I would look at your fright.)))
If he is a commander. Then he made a conscious decision to go on TARAN! Frightened people do not make such decisions!
The commander may have the consequences of shell shock. Moreover, one of the crew members in another photo has his head bandaged. The wound was most likely received at the time of the impact.

[Fandorin]

The shells must have ended with the crew ... Otherwise, the commander would have pulled the whole bk along with German rats on the armor.

[Kazakh]

A very young guy. Looks aloof. Scared, or possibly contused.

Actually a rather strange version. I was not afraid to go to the ram, but here I was directly afraid. Most likely a concussion from a blow. It is evident that he is barely standing. The kingdom of heaven is a hero.

[wulf66]

Eternal GLORY, land in peace.

[PROXOR]

Ukrainians !!!! Look at who needs to be leveled !!!! Eternal memory to you soldier! They forgot you at home, but Russian people will always remember you!

[Dazdranagon]

Thanks to the trackers who help establish the names of the Heroes and prevent the exploits of Soviet soldiers from being forgotten!

[Stas57]

There are doubts about this.

Probably the decision was made at the same time.
Although I remember the wild debate on this topic, 5 years ago

[Stiletto]

"A very young guy. He looks aloof."

No, well, what was he supposed to look like? Smile, give autographs to Germans? The guy’s life flew by before his eyes, he remembered his relatives, he parted with the light of God. It is clear that the Foschists are not inviting him in this way.
Everlasting memory.

[region46]

here he is a real Ukrainian !!!!! but not the one ..... that stands on the Maidan !!!!

[Syrdon]

and with bandaged heads pulling out our tankman, apparently the crew of a German self-propelled gun. they were upset to see that they were substituted under t34.

[svskor80]

Indeed, here I would like to say "Glory to Ukraine, glory to the heroes." Rest in peace.

[malikszh]

where does the Glory to Ukraine mean Bandera means fascist - The war of the Soviet Union will say glory over!

[tomket]

which Ukraine ??? the USSR

[Tiger]

I offer a compromise: Soviet Ukraine. Eternal memory to the fighters!

[tolyasik0577]

remember in one of the previous articles when a tankman got out of a wrecked tank and started firing a pistol. later it turned out that his legs had been torn off by an explosion. we speak so little about the patriotism of Soviet and Russian soldiers. Thanks to the site for such essays and articles.

[parusnik]

A very young guy. Looks aloof. Scared, or possibly contused.
You won’t go to fear with a ram ...

[igordok]

They will be shot in a few minutes, but how to stay.
Details at http://vihrbudushego.livejournal.com/348961.html

[Serg koma]

Quote: igordok

They will be shot in a few minutes, but how to stay.
Details at http://vihrbudushego.livejournal.com/348961.html

“The losses of the second company were very high. The attack to capture Hill 122 cost the company 16 dead and 11 wounded, which was more than the loss of an entire battalion in the entire Polish campaign. The campaign in Russia had just begun, and everyone was deeply shocked by so many losses . "

Pavel Vaigin, search engine: “When I got here, I naturally took pictures of all the stones that looked more or less similar. In the photograph there was a mound, made of small stones, indicating the height, top. Accordingly, I was sure that this was some kind of peak. ”
It turned out that 72 years of the executed were lying here. Fragments of an overcoat, an army belt, a wallet, and one locket were found. Its owner is now missing.

Read more about search work at the site https://nafanyabesfamil.livejournal.com/2373397.html
Sergey Makarovich Korolkov - in a greatcoat .... Korolkov’s relatives were found. Daughter, six grandchildren, great-grandchildren ... The remains of the hero were transported to them and buried at the village memorial.
Ivan Semenovich Lazarev - without an overcoat. ("Altayskaya Pravda" dated May 24, 2019)

PS

The story is, as they say, "unofficial", that is, without names and dates

.... K.B. Strelbitsky

[Sosland]

at age 20, that’s where the heroes didn’t go missing, they don’t disappear, even though many of them are nameless, we must remember, we must live and know that they are looking at us for 20 years and then we will definitely find the right solutions

[Tankist_1980]

Take a close look at the third photo ... At the "shhug" ... Have you noticed any damage? The ram was effective. Eternal memory to the heroes !!!

[Stiletto]

Quote: igordok

They will be shot in a few minutes, but how to stay.

One of the two guys shot in the photo is my fellow countryman, although both died at the hands of the Nazis in the Murmansk region.

[Federal1]

Do not need such a patriot. dramas. It is clearly written there from several sources that the shot was a response to the shooting of wounded German intelligence officers of Osterman. In 1941, more than 3 million Soviet soldiers were captured and no one shot them. The guy took death beautifully, it’s true, but you don’t have to escalate it, the war and atrocities were clearly on both sides, you don’t need this patriot. burnout

[maksbazhin]

the execution was a response to the execution of wounded German intelligence agents of Osterman

while in the source:

Some Russians pretended to be dead during the battle to open fire again, but in the back. Therefore, for reasons of their own safety, it was impossible to take any prisoners, and the struggle ended only with the complete destruction of the enemy.

that is, they killed by necessity, and ours just like that.
ps I apologize for necroposting

[goody]

Everlasting memory!

[malikszh]

I hope the grandson of a tank veteran is not a right-wing sector fascist right now

[Brother]

Glory defenders Fatherland!
If it were not They...

[pts-m]

Glory to the heroes! but about the current 20 summer Maidan residents no one will remember!

[Jager]

And how many of these, unknown Heroes ...
I read summaries from reports on the actions of the KV-2 in the initial period of the war - "without infantry support, they attacked the front edge of the enemy's defense, in the depths of the defense they were hit, fired back to the last, at the cost of their lives they delayed the advance of the Germans by n-th hours." Remember.

[agent]

Eternal memory .... Glory to Russia !!!

[Vladimir1960]

Quote: igordok

They will be shot in a few minutes, but how to stay.
Details at http://vihrbudushego.livejournal.com/348961.html

I bow to such warriors!

[mithridate]

real heroes. It’s a pity that the nameless

[Dobrokhod Sergey]

Dashing they got a share ...

[bbss]

These shots were discussed at the tank forum. Someone considered that the commander had a serious head injury. Hence the "detached view". Eternal memory to tankers! The hardest time was for them.

[kafa]

I believe the ammunition was spent in zero fuel remained but not a lot therefore a ram. Heroes guys

[Vadim2013]

Eternal glory to the heroes of the tankers who fought with the enemy to the last opportunity, causing damage to the enemy.

[picnic]

Eternal glory to the Heroes who died in the battles for Freedom and Independence of our Motherland!
Eternal shame to the "heroes" of Ukraine who betrayed the memory of their grandfathers who died for the Freedom and Independence of our Motherland!

[nnz226]

Our technique is more powerful than German! It can be seen (in the photo of the general view) as a self-propelled gun from the impact "took off her shoes" and generally crumpled all! And the T-34 looks nothing like that, although it did not run into a passenger car ...

[BMPTMB]

Yes, there were people!

[Ihrek]

May the earth rest in peace for all our soldiers who died in that war.

[Snoop]

Yes, I won’t believe in faith that the Germans went to ram))) At one time, the Germans were shocked when they encountered massive rams of Soviet tanks on the battlefield)) Here I watched a program by star, a veteran recalled, a 42-year tank attack supported by infantry , one of the tanks was glad that the gun was out of order, the company commanders ordered them to leave the battle, but the T-34-76 crashed into the German T-4 at full speed. Both tanks died. The German tankers saw this, abandoned their cars and fled. In my opinion, there were still 3 or 4 tanks left, they were taken as trophies in full service. It turned out that these were parts of the tank division deployed from France, their first battle on the Eastern Front))) The veteran recalled that he had first tried French cheese)) The tanks were clogged with French food))

[hhhhhhh]

Glory to the heroes. Thank.

[Leader]

Eternal glory to the heroes!

[Combitor]

I drew attention to the fact that in appearance you cannot say that our tank was seriously damaged by the impact. What can not be said about the "German" (photo in a green frame). And if it were not for the concussion from the impact during the collision, I am more than sure that the guys would have given the "rear", twisted and crushed the Germans with caterpillars.
I bow to the feat of these guys.

[16max16]

In from these are real HEROES, and not that trash and scumbags that roam around Kiev. Glory to the Soviet soldiers !!! Death to the Nazis!

[Alexs3524]

Here is a comment from KP - Alexey Shabashov
12.03.2014, 19: 16
The interest of the authors of the article to the terrible and, at the same time, heroic period in the history of our city cannot but rejoice. Frivolity of attitude, reluctance to make at least minimal effort to recreate the true picture is frustrating. Links to a blogger are not serious. This tank was not hit on the streets of Kalinin, according to the authors, this tank did not reach the city for several kilometers. How to get to the city and the other 7 crews. Yes, and no Lutsenko, most likely, commanded this tank. Lieutenant Lutsenko fought not in the 21st, but in the 35th tank brigade, on March 13.03.1942, 438, a shin was wounded, delivered to the 348th Motorized Rifle Brigade 17 sd, where he died on the same date. He was buried in the village of Shiryayki, Rzhevsky District, Tver Region. In the photograph, most likely, the crew of Senior Sergeant Rybakov, who made his way to the airfield at the entrance to the city of Kalinin, in this place is a field outside Mr. Yuzhny. There was a ram. The next year, October 21th, we plan to repeat the cycling trip along the heroic raid of the XNUMXst Tank Brigade. We invite everyone who is willing to carefully study history and keep a memory of the feat of our grandfathers.

[Lyton]

Our army avenged him and many others who died in battles and camps, the Nazis ate plenty of our land. Glory to the heroes.

[His]

Glory to the heroes! Their death was not in vain.

[Alexander Greene]

Friends, why did you get that tanker’s scared look? For example, I did not see this.

[Condor-a]

"Other materiel" http://lurkmore.to/Т-34

Tower. On the early versions of the tower with the appetizing nickname "Pie", the hatch was exactly one, but in half roof size and weight, too, corresponding. Theoretically, it was easier to pull out any wounded there, to dismantle small spare parts such as gas tanks for repairs, and even behind it one could hide from enemy bullets. In practice, it turned out that getting out of the burning Hell to a wounded tower was almost impossible. Since 1942, a new tower appeared - "Nut". It differed by 8 mm thick armor, cheerful 53 mm “cheeks” around the gun’s mask, which, coupled with the “overlap” of them on top of the main armor plate, often surprised German tankers with the sudden 105 mm of the tower’s forehead when they hit these cheeks, with a personal hatch for everyone, and a little later, the commander was also given a personal turret, so that at least he could see what was happening outside without risking lead poisoning. However, it was of little use, since before the appearance of the T-34-85, the commander combined the duties of a gunner, and mainly engaged in firing from a cannon below, rather than looking at the surroundings. Sausages, however, put the comfort of their tankers at the forefront, and each had a separate hole for evacuation ...

[Volgarr]

Remember and proud !!! Eternal memory to you!