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Nazarbayev: Kazakhstanis must be sure that the army is efficient

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The meeting chaired by the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces - President Nursultan Nazarbayev of Kazakhstan was attended by the heads of the ministry and the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan, heads of departments and headquarters, commanders and commanders of the troops, the press service of Akorda reported.


The head of state noted that he always pays close attention to the issue of strengthening the country's defense.


- Kazakhstanis should be sure that the army is efficient and can fulfill its tasks and orders of the Supreme Commander. In recent years, army funding has been steadily increasing, the cumulative three-year budget has reached one trillion tenge. And this is in a difficult economic situation in the world, when even the rich countries of Europe are forced to reduce not only military spending, but also social programs. The state is doing everything for the armed forces and military personnel. In the past year alone, about 7 thousands of servicemen were provided with housing, 5430 was paid compensation for housing rent. The average monetary allowance of an officer of the armed forces is 170 thousand tenge. Pension security for military personnel is the highest among all categories of citizens of the country. In response to such concern, the people of Kazakhstan have the right to expect high combat readiness from our army, and crystal honesty from military personnel, ”said Nursultan Nazarbayev.

The President of Kazakhstan emphasized that the leaders in the central office of the ministry and regional commands, in various branches of the military, are responsible to the people for the execution of the tasks assigned.

“Therefore, I, as the Head of State and the Supreme Commander, and all citizens of the country, have a well-founded concern about the facts of corruption occurring in the defense department. Kazakh society sees this as a direct threat to national security. In the Armed Forces this is unacceptable. State funds allocated to the army should be used strictly for the intended purpose. Appropriate measures should be taken to ensure that such facts do not recur, ”Nursultan Nazarbayev emphasized.

The President of Kazakhstan noted the need to maintain high intensity combat training in the troops.

- Conducted exercises should be aimed at working out tasks as close as possible to the conditions of the current situation. We will suddenly check the combat readiness of certain parts of the regional commands. It is also necessary to improve the coordination of all power structures, at the international level to develop cooperation with our allies and partners. Combat training programs should be filled with new content that is adequate to modern threats, said Nursultan Nazarbayev.

In addition, the Head of State stressed that the latest models of military equipment are being adopted annually.

- We buy military products not only in Russia, but also in other countries. The army has the opportunity to rearm, using the most advanced world-class developments. We must not lag behind anyone in this direction. The country's military-industrial complex has begun assembling helicopters, military optics, radar systems and electronic warfare, and ships are being built for the naval fleetrepair organized aviation and armored vehicles. But this is not enough, it is necessary to expand this work, - said the President of Kazakhstan.

The head of state called the construction of new defense plants one of the most important areas of the country's industrial development.

- Due to the work of military factories, other industries will also develop, and orders from other sectors of the economy will also be coming. Therefore, the Minister of Defense together with the Government should have a clear vision of what objects we will build. For example, the issues of the production of ammunition and shells do not tolerate delay. It is necessary to increase the pace of military-technical modernization and step up the process of re-equipping our army. The range of products manufactured by the military-technical enterprises of the country should be expanded to provide not only the armed forces, but also law enforcement agencies and special services, ”Nursultan Nazarbayev emphasized.

The head of state drew attention to the need to adjust personnel work in the Armed Forces.

“Perhaps we should reconsider the age limit of service in various categories of troops.” Thus, the state spends significant funds on the training of flight personnel, and to obtain the required level, pilots need a lot of training time. However, upon reaching the appropriate age, despite good health and high professionalism, the officer is forced to resign. We can not refuse from highly qualified personnel only for age reason. It is necessary to consider the possibility of introducing appropriate amendments to the law on military service, Nursultan Nazarbayev said.

In addition, the Head of State noted that to be promoted to a higher position, the availability of appropriate professional training and the level of military education should be a prerequisite.

The President of Kazakhstan also stressed that the constant reorganization of the troops causes an unhealthy situation in the army.


- This is a very dangerous trend. Only in 2012, 260 organizational measures and 320 million tenge was spent in various types of troops. In 2013, 116 organizational events were held, 490 million tenge were allocated additionally. This leads to nervousness among the personnel and entails expenses for the payment of lifting and severance pay for military personnel. But the most important thing is that in such conditions the combat readiness of the troops is reduced. I demand to minimize the number of organizational and staff events, as “empty” work, which creates the appearance of activity, said the Head of State.

Nursultan Nazarbayev emphasized that our country is consistently building a system of higher military education.

- We did not have a systematic training of officers, especially the top staff. We cannot teach them abroad all the time; we must do this in Kazakhstan. It is necessary to continue work on equipping military high schools with modern equipment, on training their own scientific and pedagogical personnel, which will be no worse than in other countries. I hope that this year the National University of Defense will begin its work. His graduates should be the pride of the Kazakh army, - said the Head of State.

The President of Kazakhstan noted that uncertainty remains around the country’s surroundings.

- The legal status of the Caspian Sea is not defined, the coastal states are militarized. There are also risks associated with the withdrawal of coalition troops from Afghanistan. In this regard, I instruct to continue work on the qualitative strengthening of groupings in the southern and western strategic directions, ”the Head of State emphasized.

The Supreme Commander drew attention to the fact that professional armed forces in the 21st century should be staffed by high-quality military specialists, true patriots, psychologically stable and morally flawless citizens of the country.

- The basis of the Armed Forces are officers, sergeants, that is, people who deliberately dedicated their lives to serving the Fatherland. We need to take additional measures to improve educational and patriotic work, to strengthen the morale of all the military, from soldier to general, the President of Kazakhstan said.

In conclusion, Nursultan Nazarbayev noted that attention to the development of the Armed Forces is the duty of each state, and wished the entire military staff of the Ministry of success in their activities.
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  1. operator35
    operator35 7 March 2014 07: 02
    -1
    went dvizhuha ...
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 7 March 2014 07: 08
      +4
      Army-army, and no one wants a repetition of Ukrainian events.
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    3. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 7 March 2014 07: 11
      +10
      Old, as the world who does not feed his army, he feeds someone else's.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 7 March 2014 15: 28
        +7
        Let me tell you a little "military secret". In the ammunition parts, the cat cried. For example, there are no cartridges of 14,5 caliber at all. I have already written for a long time that the release of ammunition is much more important than the assembly of helicopters (although this is certainly necessary). Finally it came. "Better late than never". hi
        About preparation. The guys from the DShB in Kapchagai said that everything was in order. On the Ili river, they somehow fished for several days (for 23 km, where the fortress was built for filming, there is also a training ground nearby). So they "swallowed dust" there, came and talked. Letekha said that during the exercises (under the "Partnership for Peace" program), "hogs" were sent from NATO (near a platoon). None at all. On the march, they disgraced themselves in a clean one. Then he said they showed what conditions go through to obtain a maroon beret - their jaws were loose. As far as I understand, we are even tougher than in Russia - the tests go on for 2 days with a "night" in the campaign (as I understand it, they were not allowed to sleep at all).
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 7 March 2014 16: 04
          +4
          Specially now I called my friend from the military (Colonel). So he says that for about 20 minutes an intense battle of cartridges is still enough, and then only in the bayonet. Well, what else can you say.
  2. Name
    Name 7 March 2014 07: 15
    +2
    GDP however A GOOD EXAMPLE SHOWS- as it should be to the head of the Great State!
  3. Nayhas
    Nayhas 7 March 2014 07: 18
    +2
    It was possible to write without any water or scales: Nazarbayev realized that he was in line and the deployment of Russian troops to the north of the country, so to speak, in support of the Russian-speaking population, is quite real.
    1. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian 7 March 2014 07: 28
      -1
      the north of the country, so to speak, in support of the Russian-speaking population is quite real.


      Most of the Russian-speaking population is concentrated in large cities of the Republic of Kazakhstan, so the north is not an example ...
    2. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 07: 58
      +11
      Unlike Yanukovych and other pseudo-presidents in Ukraine, the NAS has a popularly elected president (for which the entire Russian-speaking population also voted) and the legitimacy of his appeals to foreign armies and the bloc for military assistance in the event of aggression by the Russian Federation will be unambiguously! So do not stir up the water provocateur you ours.
      Just NAS declared war on corruption in the ranks of armaments. RK forces.
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 7 March 2014 08: 08
        +8
        Quote: RK refugee
        So do not stir up the water provocateur you ours.

        Nihas correctly wrote this reaction to these events.
        1. Andrey KZ
          Andrey KZ 7 March 2014 12: 47
          +4
          Quote: Clegg
          Nihas correctly wrote this reaction to these events.

          No, not right. I will explain why, first of all, they mainly strengthen the southern and western strategic directions. Secondly, on the construction of the Eurasian Union, there are no steps to the side and back, on the contrary, at the meeting all the presidents of the CU countries stressed the importance of observing the schedule of work on the EurAsEC. Thirdly, there are no slogans "Kazakhstan for Kazakhs" in Kazakhstan, and so long as it is, Russians and Kazakhs will be in the same trench, and Russia will have no reason to encroach on the territory of Kazakhstan. Most likely, something is happening in the world that we can only guess about, the threat comes from third countries, but not from Russia.
      2. Nayhas
        Nayhas 7 March 2014 08: 27
        +3
        Quote: RK refugee
        So do not stir up the water provocateur you ours.
        Just NAS declared war on corruption in the ranks of armaments. RK forces.

        It is impossible to muddy it where the bottom has not been seen for a long time. On Kazakh forums and without me there are plenty of "muddy water", is it any wonder that the Russians are jubilant there, and the Kazakhs are indignant?
    3. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 7 March 2014 08: 28
      +7
      Quote: Nayhas
      You could write without any water or scales
      So he was straightforward, in connection with known events, and said:
      Nazarbayev: Kazakhstanis must be sure that the army is efficient
      Those. conclusions are drawn - will work.
      It seems that "stories with polite little people" will serve as a catalyst for very serious changes in the Army.
      Nazarbayev: We cannot train them abroad all the time, we must do this in Kazakhstan.
      In fact, the majority of students studying abroad study in Russia. It is thought more than 90%. Accordingly, their minds will deduce from under the influence ..
      Nazarbayev: For example, issues of the production of cartridges and shells are urgent. It is necessary to increase the pace of military-technical modernization and intensify the process of rearmament of our army. The range of products manufactured by the country's military-technical enterprises should be expanded.
      Campaign will catch up with Azerbaijan laughing
      That's it, stock up on popcorn and wait for news about new large-scale arms contracts ..
      Eh, maybe they will put up a factory for the production of "flupenes" soldier
      And, to the Turkmens, in the light of the events taking place with a bang, you can sell ...
      And while they are rightly concentrating on the most vital - issues of production of ammunition and shells are urgent. ... wassat
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 7 March 2014 08: 52
        +6
        Quote: Alibekulu
        Campaign will catch up with Azerbaijan

        Having your own production of shells and ammunition in Kazakhstan will not be superfluous, since in case of war the ammunition is quickly spent and having a close location where it will be sold to you will not be superfluous to anybody, even necessary for Azerbaijan. Turkey has the left and Cossacks on the right.
    4. andrejwz
      andrejwz 7 March 2014 10: 08
      +2
       Nayhas (3)  Today, 07:18 New

      It was possible to write without any water or scales: Nazarbayev realized that he was in line and the deployment of Russian troops to the north of the country, so to speak, in support of the Russian-speaking population, is quite real.

      But you, namely "You", were not joking.
      Previously, in the Slavic settlements, garbage accumulated over the winter in the spring for burning hawked in a bunch. Guess what it was called.
    5. xetai9977
      xetai9977 7 March 2014 10: 28
      0
      The NAS is doing the right thing. He sees that the tendency to annexation of the territories of neighboring states has begun and that he needs to prepare in advance for possible scenarios of a neighbor
    6. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 7 March 2014 17: 08
      +1
      Quote: Nayhas
      It was possible to write without any water or scales: Nazarbayev realized that he was in line and the deployment of Russian troops to the north of the country, so to speak, in support of the Russian-speaking population, is quite real.
      No need to invent anything. So, in cooperation in space exploration, progress has begun
      7.03.2014/07/13, Moscow 21:5:2014 The government of the Russian Federation submits to the State Duma a bill "On the ratification of the agreement between the government of the Russian Federation and the government of the Republic of Kazakhstan on cooperation in the exploration and use of outer space for peaceful purposes." The corresponding decree of March 164, XNUMX. NXNUMX was signed by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, the press service of the Cabinet of Ministers reports.

      The draft law was prepared by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation and the Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos).

      The agreement is designed to create the legal framework for mutually beneficial Russian-Kazakh cooperation in the field of peaceful exploration and use of outer space.

      The document is of a framework nature and defines the necessary principles, norms and conditions for the development of bilateral relations in the field of space activities, including the distribution and protection of intellectual property rights, responsibility, export control, property protection, technology protection, customs clearance of goods and a number of others .

      "The agreement is in the interests of the Russian Federation, since cooperation with the Republic of Kazakhstan in the field of space activities will contribute to the maintenance and revitalization of production activities, to ensure additional loading of domestic organizations and enterprises of the rocket and space industry, as well as to promote services in the Central Asian region related to high technologies "
  4. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 7 March 2014 07: 25
    0
    As a resident of the Republic of Kazakhstan, I can say that the movement has gone and makes the titular nation think about some things ... The people are not silent ... bully
    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 7 March 2014 07: 33
      +5
      I don’t think that the Republic of Kazakhstan will come to the example of Ukraine, but many people remember what was done with the Russians in the 90's on the Republic of Kazakhstan.
      Nobody forgets about the attempts to foment unrest in some cities of the Republic of Kazakhstan by forces from outside.
      Today, more than ever, the Republic of Kazakhstan (and its ruling regime, in particular) should be interested in the CU and CSTO, as well as in close cooperation with the Russian Federation and Belarus. Only together can we stand against the storm from the West, against double standards and the molestation of the gay people.
      1. Scandinavian
        Scandinavian 7 March 2014 07: 39
        +3
        I want to say that in Kazakhstan it is unlikely that the same events can occur as in Ukraine, BUT in every country there are ardent hawks (like McCain) and there is an underground opposition that wakes up when the political leadership weakens or it starts to feed the West ... Therefore, I would like to recall the wise Russian proverb "man proposes, but God disposes." However, this example that happened in Ukraine will be a real and effective example to cool some heads of nationalists.
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 7 March 2014 08: 31
          +4
          Quote: Scandinavian
          I want to say that it is unlikely in Kazakhstan that the same events can happen as in Ukraine

          You forgot to add "While Nursultan Abishevich is alive and in memory." Do not create illusions, he will be 74 years old soon. Everything can happen suddenly and then Kazakhstan will shake ...
        2. Refugee from Kazakhstan
          Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 08: 49
          +5
          And there is also a wise Russian proverb "b-s mother-in-law does not believe in daughter-in-law", or "who is talking about what, but crummy about the bathhouse"! The titular nation will fight to the death for the territorial integrity of Kazakhstan, and the rest are called upon to do the same. So you put out burning tires in your head on the squares of Kazakhstani cities.
          1. avt
            avt 7 March 2014 09: 20
            +4
            Quote: RK refugee
            So you put out burning tires in the squares of Kazakhstani cities in your head there.

            laughing Friendly, but not beguiled anything ???? "Polite people" in Crimea specifically, Kiev has no number of them, they did not burn the tires and did not let anyone ignite them. And the fact that for more than 23 years in the struggle for the Great Ukrainian nation they brought the country to the handle - the problems are Kiev again. , there was still not enough openly Nazi-Bandera state to build. That's right according to the precepts of the EBN, get up in the morning and think - what else hasn't it done for Bandera Ukraine?
            Quote: Alibekulu
            It seems that "stories with polite little people" will serve as a catalyst for very serious changes in the Army.

            Here are just no need to make eye glasses and from this nonsense to speak, and even more so to do. Your country can face serious problems. One transfer of power is worth it, although there is a bloodless example - Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, but it is necessary to prepare and the Elbasy understands this perfectly well, he may have passed physically, all the same age, but he did not survive from his mind. Of course, I would like to know what he and Batskaya and VVP discussed recently, but clearly not the threat of oppression of the Russian language in Kazakhstan. But everyone should be sure of one thing - according to the development of events in Ukraine, in the near future, Russians will not drown themselves in the Arctic Ocean, for the sake of the triumph of "universal human values ​​and democracy". And for the rest, with those who understand this, peacefully let's agree.
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            2. Alibekulu
              Alibekulu 7 March 2014 09: 37
              +8
              Quote: avt
              That's just not necessary
              When did the Kazakhs go to bed ?! wink
              Just be more consolidated and collected ..
              Quote: avt
              One transfer of power is worth
              Thanks to Putin’s actions, I’m sure now that everything will happen quietly and calmly ...
              So - thanks Vova hi
              But, in general, I am from the situation in / in Ukraine, for Kazakhstan I see some advantages.
              RK, state will be even more socially oriented good
              And, in general, acceleration will be on all fronts ..
              Quote: RK refugee
              The title nation will die for the territorial integrity of Kazakhstan
              Kazakhs are very divided among themselves, but at the moment they are consolidated by external influences, so ..
              Yes, and maybe the "khans" and "bays" of Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan will finally get the sense of creating a Central Asian Union .. tongue
              1. avt
                avt 7 March 2014 10: 06
                +1
                Quote: Alibekulu
                Yes, and maybe the "khans" and "bays" of Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan will finally get the sense of creating a Central Asian Union ..

                laughing Well, well, God forbid our calf to eat the wolf. This song has already been heard, but in fact, you can continue to listen only when you sing, but when, as in Kyrgyzstan, you start to do something, it really strains, then you have to harness. Here and in this alliance, which is all central Asian, again nothing have not been created, but it is already necessary to breed in the corners - ,, - The legal status of the Caspian Sea has not been determined, the militarization of the coastal states is taking place. There are also risks in connection with the withdrawal of coalition troops from Afghanistan. In this regard, I am instructing to continue work on the qualitative strengthening of the groupings in the southern and western strategic directions, the Head of State emphasized. "Thank God so far only verbally, but the Caspian was rearmed, otherwise Iran was already going to launch submarines.
                Quote: Alibekulu
                Thanks to Putin’s actions, I’m sure now that everything will happen quietly and calmly ...
                So - thanks Vova

                How is it in the cartoon, Once upon a time there was a dog "the wolf said at the end?" laughing So if you need something - call.
    2. Humpty
      Humpty 7 March 2014 07: 37
      +1
      Quote: Scandinavian
      As a resident of the Republic of Kazakhstan, I can say that the movement has gone and makes the titular nation think about some things ... The people are not silent ... bully


      Friend patsak, I note that some of the chatlanes on the forum are very alarmed by the activity of Russia.
      1. Scandinavian
        Scandinavian 7 March 2014 07: 46
        0
        Friend patsak, I note that some of the chatlanes on the forum are very alarmed by the activity of Russia.


        Beautifully interpreted, an offset to you good
      2. Ptah
        Ptah 7 March 2014 07: 56
        +2
        Quote: Humpty
        some of the chatlan on the forum are very wary

        Listen, dear. I love you - I will teach you ... yes
        "If you have a little" KZ (KG) "- you have the right to wear yellow pants ...." (c) laughing hi
        Next:

    3. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 08: 07
      +4
      Dvizhuha goes so you know from south to north! With the help of the resettlement program for compatriots from China, Mongolia, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan (who were forced to flee from the Goloshchekinsky famine of 1932-33, as a result of which about 2 million Kazakhs died out), the northern regions of Kazakhstan are settled, thereby increasing the number of Kazakhs in relation to the Russian-speaking to the population!
      When the srach on the branch is in full swing, do not forget to remind everyone that YOU started it!
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 7 March 2014 08: 56
        +1
        Quote: RK refugee
        , thereby increasing the number of Kazakhs in relation to the Russian-speaking population!

        and done right, otherwise God forbid, who tomorrow wants to protect the title nation e)))
    4. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 7 March 2014 10: 23
      +2
      Quote: Scandinavian
      dvizhuha went and makes the titular nation think about some things ...
      The titular nation will begin the movement to identify the "doubledants" (Kazakhstanis with Russian passports) and return them to their historical homeland .. winked
      They will also identify those who receive a pension in the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation, with the return of illegally received funds to the state budget of the Republic of Kazakhstan and subsequent deportation ...
      There will be a number of preventive measures that make us seriously think and lower to the ground, some who fell into euphoria .. yes
      1. Scandinavian
        Scandinavian 7 March 2014 11: 20
        +3
        There will be a number of preventive measures that make us seriously think and lower to the ground, some who fell into euphoria ..


        Dear, as regards preventive measures, it was you who pulled too much on yourself ... But there is euphoria and will be in the soul and nothing you can do about it, and you won’t understand. Another dough.
        1. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu 7 March 2014 11: 38
          +2
          Quote: Scandinavian
          Another dough.
          Your dough is different.
          Either the Kazakhs took away children's toys, or in every possible way oppress the Uruses, speaking the Kazakh language wink
          And in fact, how many Russians merged with K-on from 91 of the year ?!
          And even now, "with songs and dances" to Vaterlyand ?! bully
          1. Scandinavian
            Scandinavian 7 March 2014 11: 51
            +2
            And even now, "with songs and dances" to Vaterlyand ?! bully


            Do you think it’s fun, that the Russian-speaking population, including the Kazakhs themselves, are leaving the country, that you have to write letters to the people, such as the letter from Ermek Tursunov? I would look at your dances and songs when the threat would come from the south ... bearded men do not sleep. Then it would be for sure that the lambada would be here for everyone.
            1. TS3sta3
              TS3sta3 7 March 2014 12: 33
              +1
              useless. they will not listen to the fifth column. They are about the Wahhabis and the production sharing agreement - they are about dual citizenship and always drunk Russians with a beam in their eye. moreover, Russians live here - it's bad; the Russians are leaving - too bad. you can't please.
            2. Alibekulu
              Alibekulu 7 March 2014 12: 56
              +2
              Quote: Scandinavian
              I would look at your dances and songs when the threat would come from the south ... bearded men do not sleep.
              Kazakhs have heard these horror stories for over 20 years.
              We are already tired of waiting for these "bearded men from the south."
              Would you hurry them or something .. No.
              Quote: Scandinavian
              Do you think it’s fun, that the Russian-speaking population, including the Kazakhs themselves, are leaving the country
              It's fun when they sing songs that they were "driven away by evil Kazakhs". Moreover, at the time of the collapse, the Kazakhs were an absolute minority.
              It's funny when yours write that the Kazakhs drove the Russians out of the cities, while the Kazakhs in these cities, as a rule, were no more than 10% ..
              10% of Kazakhs versus 90% of Russians .. belay
              Truly - "great Kazakh batyrs" bully
              "I am a dancer", when Russians call "oppression" what the Kazakh state language is in Kazakhstan request , the fact that the Kazakhs dare (about horror) to speak the Kazakh language among themselves, that the Kazakhs allow themselves to build Kazakh schools for Kazakhs, open Kazakh groups in Kazakh universities ...
              when the overgrown title defends the interests of Kazakhstan - rams am what to take from them ...
              And indeed, Kazakhs have the audacity angry have your own (not Russian) opinion ...
              1. Scandinavian
                Scandinavian 7 March 2014 13: 04
                -1
                And indeed, Kazakhs have the audacity to have their own, non-Russian opinion ...


                Dear Chatlanen, you definitely didn’t read the letter of Ermek Tursunov, for the purpose of educational program I am sending you a link to read. Reduce your imagination.

                http://forbes.kz/life/opinion/ermek_tursunov_moy_neravnyiy_brak_s_gosudarstvom
              2. TS3sta3
                TS3sta3 7 March 2014 13: 09
                0
                "I am a dancer", when Russians call "oppression", that the Kazakh state language in Kazakhstan is a request, that Kazakhs dare (oh horror) to speak Kazakh among themselves, that Kazakhs allow themselves to build Kazakh schools for Kazakhs, open Kazakh groups in Kazakhstani universities ...
                when the overgrown title ones defend the interests of Kazakhstan - ram sheep, am, what to take from them ...
                And indeed, Kazakhs have the audacity to have their own, non-Russian opinion ...

                Hmm, how everything is running ...
                1. Alibekulu
                  Alibekulu 7 March 2014 15: 55
                  +6
                  Quote: TS3sta3
                  Hmm, how everything is running ...

                  Xoxlosrach forever laughing
                  Quote: TS3sta3
                  them about Wahhabis
                  fool
                  Quote: Scandinavian
                  when the threat would come from the south ... bearded men do not sleep.

                  Eh, can you explain to me a "close-minded" why in the 90s, when the Taliban was at the peak of its power, and Kazakhstan was in a state of dilapidation, when there was a nutritious social base for the Wahhabis, the bearded Wahhabis did not crawl from the south ??!
                  And, with what fright they will climb to us now, when they are weakened as a result of Western occupation. And Kazakhstan is not so weak anymore ..
                  Here are the onalithags Scandinavian и TS3sta3 (1) explain to me, why should they climb right now ?!
                  Let them crawl, at the same time we will test the TOS "Buratino" and the BMPT "Terminator" .. lol
                  And in the "threat from the south" there is one harosh moment that thanks to these far-fetched fears "compatriots" flee from the Republic of Kazakhstan .. good
                  1. TS3sta3
                    TS3sta3 7 March 2014 16: 15
                    0
                    you just need to know the history. The Taliban never fully controlled Afghanistan; the north held the so-called. a northern alliance controlled by Afghan Tajik leader Ahmad Shah Massoud and Uzbek leader Abdul Rashid Dostum. this northern alliance was a buffer between Central Asia and the Taliban from Afghanistan, and on their shoulders the Americans entered Afghanistan. you see there is nothing complicated here as there is no your "onalitiga" either. Why did the Americans enter Afghanistan? to overcome the Taliban? why didn’t they decrease? rather, on the contrary, plus weapons were acquired and a constant source of income - heroin plantations, which were destroyed at first.
                    And in the "threat from the south" there is one harosh moment that thanks to these far-fetched fears "compatriots" flee from the Republic of Kazakhstan ..

                    no, that's not why. No.
                    article title; see what is discussed there and why think about it. if you can’t, turn to your senior comrades, they will help laughing
                  2. TS3sta3
                    TS3sta3 7 March 2014 16: 17
                    0
                    Xoxlosrach forever laughing

                    look what he means
                  3. TS3sta3
                    TS3sta3 7 March 2014 16: 32
                    -1
                    Let them crawl, at the same time TOS "Buratino" and BMPT "Terminator" will try .. lol

                    really funny.
              3. Clegg
                Clegg 7 March 2014 13: 13
                +5
                Quote: Alibekulu
                We are already tired of waiting for these "bearded men from the south."
                Would you hurry them or something ..

                laughing

                Salem alibek hi I haven’t seen you for a long time.
              4. Ptah
                Ptah 7 March 2014 13: 23
                +2
                I will add to the link "Scandinavia" -
                his:

                http: //www.centrasia.ru/newsA.php? st = 1201162320

                Kazakh author Ulugbek Tagiyev cites in the article “Russians in Kazakhstan: past, present and future prospects” very interesting statistics:

                “In 1987, Uzbeks in Uzbekistan and Turkmens in Turkmenistan made up 53% of workers, Tajiks in Tajikistan — 48%, Kyrgyz in Kyrgyzstan — 25%, and Kazakhs in Kazakhstan — only 21%. The corresponding indicator in Russia is 83%. ”

                Often referred to that vindictive rebellion in 86. It is called no other way, but
                "The uprising of the Kazakh People on December 17-18, 1986, which changed the further course of human history!"
                Oooh kaaaak .....

                http://www.zonakz.net/blogs/user/ospanov_galym-istorik/14621.html

                But
                Firstly, that December riot of 1986 was neither spontaneous nor spontaneous: the posters and banners carried by the "rebels" were made one year, two, or even three years before the events.

                Secondly, official babble about the social causes of the riots was completely untenable. In the slogans under which the "rebels" spoke, there was not a single word about material distress or housing disorder. “Long live the Kazakhs!” (“Cossack Zhassasyn !!!”) - this is what a crowd of thousands chanted at the full power of a young mouthful. “Kazakhstan is for Kazakhs!”, “Kazakh must govern Kazakhstan!” - that’s what it meant on the banners.

                Thirdly, the “spontaneous” performance was surprisingly amicably supported throughout the south of Kazakhstan.

                But the main thing that was revealed during the investigation, which was the least enjoyable and completely destroyed the rotten Kunaev legend about the "laboratory of friendship of peoples", was obvious: sooner or later ethnic cleansing was coming here. "

                From here to the subject. Maidan, or rather Russomaidan not excluded!

                I finished my speech. Thank you for the attention. hi
                1. Clegg
                  Clegg 7 March 2014 13: 44
                  +5
                  Quote: Ptah
                  In 1987, Uzbeks in Uzbekistan and Turkmens in Turkmenistan accounted for 53% of workers, Tajiks in Tajikistan - 48%, Kyrgyz in Kyrgyzstan - 25%, and Kazakhs in Kazakhstan - only 21%

                  What kind of moron wrote this? Does he know that the Kazakhs in those years as a percentage were less than 40%?
                  1. Ptah
                    Ptah 7 March 2014 14: 00
                    0
                    Again -
                    "Kazakh author Ulugbek Tagiev leads in the article “Russians in Kazakhstan: past, present and future prospects”"
                    Quote: Clegg
                    He knows that in those years, the percentage of Kazakhs was less than 40%

                    And here is higher mathematics with trigonometric formulas. Attention: "less than 40%" and "only 21%". Otherwise - 21 <40 .... The theorem is proved. good
                    1. Clegg
                      Clegg 7 March 2014 14: 06
                      +6
                      Quote: Ptah
                      Attention: "less than 40%" and "only 21%". Otherwise - 21 <40 .... The theorem is proved.

                      Of these 40, most women, children and the elderly should be deleted.
                      1. Ptah
                        Ptah 7 March 2014 14: 22
                        +1
                        Quote: Clegg
                        Of these 40, most women, children and the elderly should be deleted.

                        I mean, you still only count the male "livestock"?
                        Or is there a "registered caseхand ", and the servants do not count?
                      2. Clegg
                        Clegg 7 March 2014 14: 32
                        +6
                        Quote: Ptah
                        I mean, you still only count the male "livestock"?
                        Or there are "registered Kazakhs", but the servants do not count?

                        Here it was about the workers if I am not mistaken? Is it clear that the elderly and children are not able-bodied, or am I wrong?
                      3. Zymran
                        7 March 2014 14: 33
                        +5
                        By the way, yes. Here we are talking about the percentage of Kazakhs among workers, not just workers, but "workers in industry"
                      4. Ptah
                        Ptah 7 March 2014 16: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: Clegg
                        Is it clear that the elderly and children are not able-bodied, or am I wrong?

                        Quote: Clegg
                        Of these 40, it is necessary to cross out into the majority of women, "children" and the elderly.

                        A strange count ... As if there were no women workers, incl. "in industry". It's the same with pensioners.
                        In general, forty, so forty. Less is more - it doesn’t matter now ...
                        What is there to count so remember ... hi
                2. Zymran
                  7 March 2014 14: 12
                  +6
                  Quote: Ptah
                  Kazakh author Ulugbek Tagiyev


                  This is not a Kazakh surname, the author is an Uzbek.

                  Quote: Ptah
                  And here is higher mathematics with trigonometric formulas. Attention: "less than 40%" and "only 21%". Otherwise - 21 <40 .... The theorem is proved. good


                  According to the 1989 census. Total:

                  16464464 people

                  Kazakhs: 6434616
                  Russians: 6227549

                  As you can see, the Kazakhs exceeded the number of Russians and amounted to about 40 percent of the total population of the republic. wink

                  http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%85%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1
                  %8F_%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A0
      2. Ptah
        Ptah 7 March 2014 13: 03
        +1
        Quote: Alibekulu
        And even now, "with songs and dances" on Vaterlyand?

        Is that serious now? It is in this reading?

        But 1993-95, and the "German exodus" followed. The German population of Kazakhstan by the beginning of the exodus numbered about 800 thousand people. The Germans, already in the second generation, after being exiled to Kazakhstan, turned into a genuine technocratic elite: the heads of state and collective farms, well-known throughout the republic, prominent engineers, excellent medical specialists bore German surnames. And this huge stratum of the population, which was a real state property in terms of its qualification level, started its journey.

        However, one should not think that the Russians in Kazakhstan did not become victims of the same processes that took place and are taking place in other regions. Yes, in this republic there was no massacre, here the Russians (and others) were ousted "civilized". The ideology on which the policy towards Russians began to be based since the late 80s was formulated by YOUR ethnographer Makash Tatimov. It was his thesis that was repeatedly voiced by N. Nazarbayev. The essence of his doctrine, the goal that she pursues, Tatimov formulated as follows: "conflict-free retreat of the former imperial nation" - that is, Russian (not sure what is literally). For the first time, chauvinistic tendencies loudly appeared in Kazakhstan in December 1986. The events in Alma-Ata were not sufficiently investigated and covered. In the article by V. Yertaulov "There is a wild venom ..."

        http://zavtra.ru/content/view/2000-03-0652/

        Ethnic cleansing, as already noted, had “civilized forms”: ousting from any important posts and from trade, defeat in political rights, in education, and finally in language. “At present,” Yertaulov writes, “in Kazakhstan Tens of thousands of objects were renamed: streets, squares, cities, urban and rural areas that never had names other than Russians. The largest and most defiant act of "onomastic vandalism" is, perhaps, the renaming of the primordially Russian port city of Guryev into "Atyrau".

        Dozens of monuments were demolished, including: a monument to Yermak Timofeevich in the city of Yermak (the city itself was renamed "Aksu"), a monument to the first virgin lands at the station square and a memorial to the "Conquerors of the Virgin Lands" in Tselinograd (the city itself is now the "northern capital", "Astana" ), a bust of Przhevalsky in the city of Zaisan. It is noteworthy that shortly after this, Chernomyrdin personally went to the Astrakhan region to open the restored mausoleum of the Kazakh folk composer Kurmangazy (?), Buried in the Russian Federation. After celebrations and mutual vows in the inviolable friendship of peoples, Chernomyrdin and Nazarbayev answered questions from journalists. Someone asked a tricky question about the demolition of the Yermak monument in the city of Yermak. "There is no such city in Kazakhstan!" - N. Nazarbayev snapped. He told the real truth - by that time such a city no longer existed: "Ermak" was renamed.

        IMHO! The attitude of Russians to Kazakhs (far from negative) can be explained by two factors.
        1. Relatively, their small number. in Russia. When compared with Tajiks, for example.
        2. Described above ...
        I will add. The case is not uncommon in the territories of the former USSR. You should not constantly underline such facts, but also deny them, banging your hoof in the chest, "proving" eternal friendship - ALSO.
        Russians are not vindictive. What was - that the past was overgrown. Who will remember will repeat, to that eye and teeth won ... hi
  • mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 7 March 2014 07: 28
    0
    I suppose here is the output of 2:
    1. Nazarbayev was afraid of the Maidan in Ukraine and the consequences around the actions of Russia.
    2. He was afraid that in the event of the breeding of the pink revolution in the Republic of Kazakhstan, the introduction of Russian troops is quite possible.
    Although these threats are not directly threatening Nazarbayev, he is worried about the trend.
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 7 March 2014 08: 21
      0
      Quote: mojohed2012
      Nazarbayev was scared ...

      Unlikely. He is smart and cautious. Nazarbayev has always paid a lot of attention to the army. As a matter of fact, to all law enforcement agencies.
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 7 March 2014 13: 12
      +4
      Quote: mojohed2012
      2. He was afraid that in the event of the breeding of the pink revolution in the Republic of Kazakhstan, the introduction of Russian troops is quite possible.


      In Novo-Ogaryovo, the day before, a decision was made to create from January 2015, XNUMX EurAsEC (Eurasian Economic Union) These are Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan plus Armenia and Kyrgyzstan.The union agreement will be signed until May 2014. For some reason, this important information has remained aloof. The fact that Nazarbayev agreed to create a full-fledged union speaks volumes. After all, six months ago, he was against it.

      The Union to be created must be vested with broad powers in the field of economic regulation, Putin said. The President emphasized that it is important to guarantee the so-called “Four freedoms” - to ensure the unhindered movement between the states of the troika of goods, services, capital and labor.


      There is also Treaty between Russia and Kazakhstan on good neighborliness and cooperation in the XNUMXst century, signed by Vladimir Putin and Nursultan Nazarbayev on November 11, 2013
      link

      Article 3 of which reads
      "The Parties will not participate in any blocs or alliances directed against any of them", "will refrain from participating in any actions or from supporting such actions directed against the other Party", " used for the preparation or implementation of aggression or other hostile actions against this other Contracting Party. "

      in addition to the obligations specified in article 3, Moscow receives Astana guarantees for formation of a "common military-strategic space" (Article 19)
      take joint measures aimed at forming within the framework of the Collective Security Treaty Organization an effective system for ensuring collective security and responding to crisis situations. The Contracting Parties actively cooperate in ensuring reliable joint defense within the framework of the common military strategic space on the basis of the Collective Security Treaty of May 15, 1992, signed in Tashkent, the agreed provisions of their military doctrines and the principle of defense sufficiency.


      So according to this Treaty, Russia has absolutely legitimate reasons for the introduction of troops in case of any aggravation of the situation or the pro-American protege comes to power, not only on the basis of the CSTO but also the bilateral Treaty of Russia and the Republic of Kazakhstan. This is Astana's insurance obligation not to move away from the union with Moscow.
      1. TS3sta3
        TS3sta3 7 March 2014 13: 17
        -1
        So, according to this Treaty, Russia has absolutely legitimate reasons for the introduction of troops in the event of any aggravation of the situation or the coming of the pro-American protege to power.

        will shoot from two sides.
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 7 March 2014 13: 18
        +3
        Quote: Ascetic
        Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan plus Armenia and Kyrgyzstan. The Union Agreement will be signed until May 2014. For some reason, this important information has remained aloof.
        1. RusKaz
          RusKaz 9 March 2014 03: 59
          0
          by the way, in the picture everyone hugs Kazakhstan;))
  • drop
    drop 7 March 2014 07: 39
    +2
    Talking about corruption both in the Armed Forces and in other structures is meaningless without the execution of Serdyukov for the collapse of our Armed Forces. We must show an example of the fight against this evil.
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 7 March 2014 07: 49
      +2
      Quote: Drop
      Talking about corruption both in the Armed Forces and in other structures is meaningless without the execution of Serdyukov for the collapse of our Armed Forces.

      "Former Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov, inNovember 2013 became the general director of the Federal Research Testing Center of Mechanical Engineering, plans to significantly reduce staff at the enterprise, Izvestia writes.
      According to the center’s staff, the management announced the need for “optimization measures”, despite the contracts concluded and the expected receipt of funds. At the same time, the center announced the lease of a larger number of premises.
      According to the publication, as Minister of Defense, Serdyukov also carried out decisive reforms and reductions, reducing the size of the Russian army by about 13% during his tenure.
      As it became known on Thursday, the criminal case against the ex-minister was closed under an amnesty."
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 7 March 2014 08: 11
        +2
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        The criminal case against the ex-minister was closed under an amnesty.

        There is a curtain ....
        We are *** and, we disagree ..... request
  • uralkos
    uralkos 7 March 2014 07: 47
    +2
    The guys from Kazakhstan worked for us, about 30 teams. Officials say they stupidly sit in their chairs and wait for the president to leave. If they do something practically from under the stick, everything moves sooo slowly. They were still indignant at their own customs officers, rats say, from the Russian side you are much easier to cross than from your own. Constant bribe, their own striving to rob. And they say that it would be better if they were part of Russia like Tatarstan or Bashkiria. And these are 18-30 years old guys who, in fact, did not find the USSR. And they need to strengthen the borders, oh, as it should.
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 7 March 2014 07: 54
      +5
      Quote: uralkos
      . And they say that it would be better if they were part of Russia like Tatarstan or Bashkiria. And these are guys 18-30 years old,

      Let these degenerates leave for Russia themselves
      1. RusKaz
        RusKaz 9 March 2014 03: 54
        0
        Quote: Clegg
        Let these degenerates leave for Russia themselves

        "There are many different Americas in the world, but Russia is one" © someone
        just joked;)
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 9 March 2014 21: 42
          0
          Quote: RusKaz
          just joked;)

          After I noticed a mistake, it was too late to correct
  • mak210
    mak210 7 March 2014 07: 53
    0
    Strengthens. Still, he has been in this post for 25 years, considering the CPSU. Irremovability has helped certain forces in Lebanon, Libya, Egypt and further on the list destroy their countries.
  • Kazakh
    Kazakh 7 March 2014 08: 05
    0
    Yes, you Oh ... What Kazakhstan that with Little Russia all ended in complete victory? Let's say that we return China's damansky, remember about Constantinople and so allies are just two and even they look at the nearest bushes and then they run away altogether. Or Russia ready to fight on two three fronts? Comrade Nayhas What do you want to repeat the feat of Yarosh? And appear on Kazakhstan sites as an example of Russian chauvinism and imperial ways?
    Nazarbayev realized that he was next in line and the entry of Russian troops into the north of the country, so to speak, in support of the Russian-speaking population, was quite real.
    Please delete your comment.
  • Kazakh
    Kazakh 7 March 2014 08: 07
    +5
    I’m just sure that Nazarbayev demonstrated that KAZAKHSTAN is ready to help RUSSIA, including the armed forces. Long live our ally, KAZAKHSTAN !!!
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 7 March 2014 08: 16
      +8
      Quote: Kazakh
      I’m just sure that Nazarbayev demonstrated that KAZAKHSTAN is ready to help RUSSIA

      He is right now in China
    2. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian 7 March 2014 08: 34
      +6
      I’m just sure that Nazarbayev demonstrated that KAZAKHSTAN is ready to help RUSSIA


      76% of respondents personally supported Russia's position in this military conflict. At the same time, when assessing the country's position (the answer to the question: "Do you know what political position Kazakhstan took in relation to this conflict?"), Discrepancies were found. Only half of the respondents were sure that Kazakhstan took the same position, i.e. supported Russia. About a third of the respondents did not know exactly what position the republic took on this issue. Every eighth respondent considered that Kazakhstan took
      neutral position.

      Source - wild.ratel.su
      The permanent address of the article is http://www.centrasia.ru/newsA.php?st=1394139180

      The study revealed a difference in assessments of the position of Kazakhstan among respondents from various social groups. So, for example, among the villagers (the main consumers of information from official television channels), the proportion of those who believe that Kazakhstan has taken a neutral position is almost two times lower than in the townspeople. Russians more often than Kazakhs and representatives of other ethnic groups were convinced that Kazakhstan supported Russia. Respondents from older age groups were also more likely to agree with this opinion.


      To be honest, I looked at the statements of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan, but I didn’t understand the position of Kazakhstan in this situation. It turned out as usual "both yours and ours"

      VIDEO WATCH here http://tengrinews.kz/sng/kazahstan-prizval-ne-ispolzovat-silu-dlya-uregulirovani
      ya-situatsii-na-ukraine-251327 /
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  • Refugee from Kazakhstan
    Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 08: 36
    +3
    Guys don't need dust! No one noticed or does not want to talk about it, but A. Merkel helped turn on the backward GDP! And Crimea will not be part of Russia, in any case, now the GDP does not have such plans. Kiev took on a show and it increases the share of autonomy powers. Do not put the cart in front of the horse. After all, Abkhazia and South Ossetia did not become part of Russia, and there the mess was worse.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 7 March 2014 09: 13
      +4
      Quote: RK refugee
      Kiev took on a show and it increases the share of autonomy powers.

      I also think that most likely they will achieve very great powers for Crimea as part of Ukraine and guarantee the Black Sea Fleet, possibly adding the point that the Black Sea Fleet is the guarantor of the security of Crimea.
  • Coffee_time
    Coffee_time 7 March 2014 09: 22
    0
    Quote: Yeraz
    Quote: RK refugee
    Kiev took on a show and it increases the share of autonomy powers.

    I also think that most likely they will achieve very great powers for Crimea as part of Ukraine and guarantee the Black Sea Fleet, possibly adding the point that the Black Sea Fleet is the guarantor of the security of Crimea.

    These creatures wait and agree to everything, but then, as it is written in one article, then we will hang them all. So do not flatter yourself on concessions to the new government
    1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 09: 31
      +3
      Maybe you are right. With Crimea, a referendum-autonomy-authority is more or less clear, in Donbass, what will tanks have to be introduced?
  • Refugee from Kazakhstan
    Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 09: 25
    0
    I think that the Russian-speaking population in secret (and the patsaks at the forum openly) wish the situation in the RK to build up in order to run to complain to the GDP about the next harassment and the beginning of the military aggression of the Russian Federation. Type: we will pit two Kazakhs, while they fight we to the bro for help, there we will drive them out of the house! And let the Scandinavians go to their Lapland!
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 7 March 2014 09: 33
      +2
      Quote: RK refugee
      I think that the Russian-speaking population in secret (and the patsaks at the forum openly) wish the situation in the RK to build up in order to run to complain to the GDP about the next harassment and the beginning of the military aggression of the Russian Federation.

      This was understandable for a long time, just the situation in the Crimea showed that this is not an imaginary, but a real danger. And the authorities and people are looking at the Russian-speaking Kazakhstan in a different way. Thanks to the GDP, many blind people opened their eyes.
      Now it became clear why they got rid of parts in Gabala))
      1. TS3sta3
        TS3sta3 7 March 2014 12: 46
        -1
        Now it became clear why they got rid of parts in Gabala))

        fool
    2. RusKaz
      RusKaz 7 March 2014 09: 34
      0
      and you yourself Vasya is not a Russian-speaking population? = D
      1. avt
        avt 7 March 2014 10: 49
        +3
        Quote: RusKaz
        and you yourself Vasya is not a Russian-speaking population?

        Really not caught up ,, Svidomo "? laughing Already jumps out of his pants to prove the impending threat from the North from the unbelted GDP.
        Quote: RK refugee
        No one noticed or does not want to talk about it, but A. Merkel helped turn on the backward GDP! And Crimea will not be part of Russia, in any case, now the GDP does not have such plans. Kiev took on a show and it increases the share of autonomy powers.

        Quote: RK refugee
        I think that the Russian-speaking population in secret (and the patsaks at the forum openly) wish the situation in the RK to build up in order to run to complain to the GDP about the next harassment and the beginning of the military aggression of the Russian Federation. Type: we will pit two Kazakhs, while they fight we to the bro for help, there we will drive them out of the house! And let the Scandinavians go to their Lapland!

        What is not clear is that? Comrade throws coal into the furnace to "awaken" the already not dormant national consciousness. Mobilizes, so to speak, to fight against imperialism.
        1. TS3sta3
          TS3sta3 7 March 2014 12: 40
          0
          favorite pastime - "exposing Russian chauvinists." I wrote it myself, I believed it myself. but the fact that there is no evidence - well, it's a trifle.
        2. Refugee from Kazakhstan
          Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 14: 50
          +2
          Aha, to the sound of ankle boots on the "Russian marches" in the Russian Federation!
      2. TS3sta3
        TS3sta3 7 March 2014 12: 58
        +1
        Yes, he is not Russian, only for some reason he was called with a Russian name, he probably complexes.
        1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
          Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 14: 55
          +3
          Good you, scolding me is not right, just do not be ashamed of something. Probably because the Kazakhs are nodded to the Crimea on a branch, they say, walk quietly, otherwise we chop off the north! While this is the case, we will be on opposite sides of burning tires. And so everything is decorum, friendly, mutually respectable, as the moderator ordered!
          1. TS3sta3
            TS3sta3 7 March 2014 16: 25
            +1
            Probably because the Kazakhs are nodded to the Crimea on a branch, they say, walk quietly, otherwise we chop off the north!

            I didn’t see anything like this, where is it said?
    3. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian 7 March 2014 09: 36
      +2
      And let the Scandinavians go to their Lapland!

      Dear Chatlanen, I think you were wrong with geography, Lapland is in Finland ... now we are talking about Kazakhstan, Ukraine and Russia
      1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 09: 51
        +3
        And you were mistaken with the rhetoric! This is an article where the National Academy of Sciences calls for raising the combat effectiveness of the army of the Republic of Kazakhstan, and you that the titular nation should supposedly think about something! Are you scaring us? In neither in Ukraine, nor in the Russian Federation there is no bilingualism or in schools, there are enough distinctive examples. Do I need it again ?!
        1. Scandinavian
          Scandinavian 7 March 2014 09: 56
          0
          And you were mistaken with the rhetoric! This is an article where the National Academy of Sciences calls for raising the combat effectiveness of the army of the Republic of Kazakhstan, and you that the titular nation should supposedly think about something! Are you scaring us? In neither in Ukraine, nor in the Russian Federation there is no bilingualism or in schools, there are enough distinctive examples. Do I need it again ?!


          blah ... blah ... blah ... no arguing against the facts ...
          1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
            Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 10: 01
            +4
            I understand that with the rest of okromya lapland you agree?
            1. Scandinavian
              Scandinavian 7 March 2014 10: 04
              0
              Yes, I agree that they used to emphasize that the Kazakh army has a mess and corruption, but after the events in Ukraine this topic has become extremely acute for discussion at the moment ... In general, the topic has not just been raised again ... here and the fool understands why.
              1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
                Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 10: 09
                +4
                I don’t see the binding to Ukraine Maidan and the titular nation in the Republic of Kazakhstan! Maybe you want to see it?
                1. Scandinavian
                  Scandinavian 7 March 2014 10: 14
                  +1
                  it looks like you need to change your nickname, Refugee from the Republic of Kazakhstan, to Refugee from the Russian Federation ... it will be more accurate ...
                  1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
                    Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 10: 18
                    +3
                    You do not diligently evade the answers! You yourself start, but you can’t defend an opinion. Here and there, here and then you care about nick. Cause?
                    1. Scandinavian
                      Scandinavian 7 March 2014 10: 21
                      0
                      You do not diligently evade the answers! You yourself start, but you can’t defend an opinion.


                      Dear, you yourself understood what you wrote above and what you wanted to convey to me ???
                      1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
                        Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 10: 36
                        +3
                        The child is distracting! You have just begun: they say Ukraine, the Maidan, the titular nation in the Republic of Kazakhstan should think about something, the movement has begun. I objected, and you went on geography, my nickname was found, blah blah. Your answers are predictable. You can clearly explain where does the article about the National Academy of Sciences on improving combat readiness and what you wrote above.
                      2. Scandinavian
                        Scandinavian 7 March 2014 11: 02
                        0
                        The discussion in the society of Kazakhstan of the situation in Ukraine has begun, if you want to know more, read the article

                        (Author - Gulmira ILEUOVA, President of the Public Foundation "Center for Social and Political Research" Strategy ")

                        5.03.2014

                        Source - wild.ratel.su
                        The permanent address of the article is http://www.centrasia.ru/newsA.php?st=1394139180
                    2. Ptah
                      Ptah 7 March 2014 13: 55
                      0
                      Quote: Scandinavian
                      did you want to convey to me?

                      He wanted to carry. And he succeeded. And here, K.G. he suffered ... (c)
                      Quote: RK refugee
                      It looks like you need to change your nickname, Refugee from the Republic of Kazakhstan

                      Maybe it's better LICENSE?
                      "“Sorry,” he said, “still sorry!” Excuse me, madam, is it not you who lost a coupon for jam on the corner? Run fast, he’s still there. Skip the experts, you men! Let go, they tell you, deprived!
                      Applying in this way the policy of a stick and a carrot, I made my way to the center where Panikovsky was languishing. "
                      (C)
                      Quote: Scandinavian
                      Lapland is in Finland ...

                      The Lapland region also includes the northern part of the Kola Peninsula. Nowadays the Murmansk region of the Russian Federation. So, if "pripriot" then Welcome! hi
                    3. RusKaz
                      RusKaz 7 March 2014 14: 00
                      +1
                      Ptah, how are you? something is boring here damn)
                      Tell me, when people with this epaulette like yours (general, etc.) have some extra. Does the site provide opportunities? what kind?
                    4. Ptah
                      Ptah 7 March 2014 14: 30
                      +2
                      Quote: RusKaz
                      any ext. Does the site provide opportunities? what kind?

                      But what about ... Close attention of moderators and administrators. Hence the bonuses in the form of warnings.

                      Threat. There was one such real case with me. After a back injury, at an appointment with a traumatologist, while he was engaged in compiling a cryptogram into the history of my illness, I jokingly asked him about this question.
                      "And if they give me a" group "- does it give me anything?"
                      He did not take his eyes off the writings and asked:
                      “And who are you working now?”
                      I, trying to humor:
                      -On the logging. Centuries-old pine saw.
                      -Then you have the privilege to choose the thickest trunk for yourself. And approach him first ....
                    5. Apollo
                      Apollo 7 March 2014 14: 34
                      +4
                      Quote: Ptah
                      But what about ... Close attention of moderators and administrators. Hence the bonuses in the form of warnings.

                      Do not break the rules and everything will be in openwork.
                    6. Ptah
                      Ptah 7 March 2014 16: 04
                      +1
                      Greetings Apollo!
                      Yes, I have no complaints, although sometimes I disagree ...
                      Absolutely not vindictive yes Sometimes we even need someone’s attention / thoughtfully / even if they are at least admins ... request

                      Shl. I do not know why, by the way, my friend "Smersh" was "banged". He invited me to visit when the pomegranates and tomatoes are ripe. And the blame will press. / with sorrow / Apparently not destiny ...
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              3. Clegg
                Clegg 7 March 2014 14: 02
                +4
                Quote: RusKaz
                Tell me, when people with this epaulette like yours (general, etc.) have some extra. Does the site provide opportunities?

                I was a general, no. Only your pluses gives more rating, and cons accordingly reduces the rating of the interlocutor.
              4. RusKaz
                RusKaz 7 March 2014 14: 05
                +1
                But they see yes, who specifically votes [+/-] for the comments?
              5. Clegg
                Clegg 7 March 2014 14: 07
                +2
                Quote: RusKaz
                And you see, yes, who specifically votes for komenty?

                No, only moderators see it
              6. RusKaz
                RusKaz 7 March 2014 15: 14
                +1
                Quote: Clegg
                No, only moderators see it

                I am completely demotivated ((
                Rahmet for Old
          2. Andrey KZ
            Andrey KZ 7 March 2014 14: 19
            +2
            Zdarov Gleg, where did you get the cons? I also remember you as a general
          3. Clegg
            Clegg 7 March 2014 14: 35
            +5
            Quote: Andrew KZ
            Zdarov Gleg, where did you get the cons? I also remember you as a general

            hi hello

            A few days ago, I got into the topic of Ukraine, and wanted to express my opinion on respect for the principles of international law)))))
            And then it went off .... laughing
    4. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 14: 26
      +3
      Sorry, I'm not interested in your opinion, but Scandinavian yes. As for Lapland, thanks, I spent 2 years there in Liikhanamare, the 12th brigade of the submarine "Komsomolets of Chuvashii" BCH-5! I saw the whole collapse of the army and navy. So you'd better come to us.
    5. Ptah
      Ptah 7 March 2014 15: 48
      +1
      Quote: RK refugee
      So you better come to us.

      Thank you for the invitation! But I try to choose a habitat in the temperature range between -10 and +25. Is it hot in you?
      Quote: Refugee from RK
      there the 2th brigade of the submarine "Komsomolets of Chuvashii" BCH-12 spent 5 years in Liikhanamare!

      Oooooh .... I didn’t recognize my brother with KSF. belay I apologize! hi With warhead-1 BOD -
      drinks Passed by, on the traverse saluted on holidays ...
    6. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 15: 50
      +5
      Sly! Our climate is sharply continental from -45 to +45 per year! Do not be sick brother.
  • kontrol
    kontrol 7 March 2014 14: 18
    0
    generally there is bilingualism, for example in Kazan
  • TS3sta3
    TS3sta3 7 March 2014 12: 36
    -1
    I think the local chauvinists are ready to cut the entire "fifth column" only while they are afraid of Nazarbayev. smile
  • Andrey KZ
    Andrey KZ 7 March 2014 14: 11
    +3
    Quote: RK refugee
    I think that the Russian-speaking population in secret (and the patsaks at the forum openly) wish the situation to swing in Kazakhstan,
    Vasily, what are you talking about? Personally, I do not need a swing. By the way, today a new Slavic face appeared at a high state post
    The head of the Department of Emergency Situations of the SKO has been replaced. The position of their own free will Ualikhan Yerezhepov. By the way, this year marks 61 year. Today, a new chapter is officially presented in the emergency department. They became Alexander Puteyko. Previously, he served as the head of the fire and rescue department. The Minister of Emergency Situations of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Vladimir Bozhko, and Akim of the Region Askar Myrzakhmetov attended the appointment: http://otyrar.kz/2014/03/smenilsya-rukovoditel-dchs-yuzhno-kazaxstan
    skoj-oblasti /
    1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 14: 30
      +1
      Yes, I know! Only Scandinavian does not admit that this is not so))))!
  • Clegg
    Clegg 7 March 2014 09: 34
    +4
    Guys I can’t insert a photo, do you have such problems too?
    1. RusKaz
      RusKaz 7 March 2014 09: 44
      +2
      grass in the yard, firewood on the grass
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 7 March 2014 09: 47
        +2
        Quote: RusKaz
        grass in the yard, firewood on the grass

        It does not work for me request
        1. RusKaz
          RusKaz 7 March 2014 09: 55
          +1
          maybe in the browser business?
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 7 March 2014 10: 01
            +4
            Quote: RusKaz
            maybe in the browser business?

            I tried both in Mozilla and Yandex. On the review I find and insert a photo, but for some reason it says "file not selected" on the side, when I add an empty comment comes out.
            1. RusKaz
              RusKaz 7 March 2014 10: 18
              +2
              apparently upload pictures from a computer for some reason does not work. I downloaded my picture above not from the computer, but inserted a link to the one on the network. Therefore, you can try to upload a picture, for example here: http://postimage.org/ and then also insert a link to the image
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 7 March 2014 10: 31
                +5
                Quote: RusKaz
                Therefore, you can try to upload a picture, for example here: http://postimage.org/ and then also insert a link to the image

                Rakhmet, I'll try
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  • Vita_vko
    Vita_vko 7 March 2014 09: 45
    +2
    Nazarbayev thinks that everyone will immediately rush to comply with his instructions and strengthen their defenses! Let me find out why in 20 years it was not possible to bring the troops back to normal?
    So I look at him and I really want to believe that it will be so. And when I remember what was happening and is happening in the army until now, it becomes scary to live in Kazakhstan. And it is especially scary for the children who are sure that there will always be a bright sky over their heads. As the first Minister of Defense, Hero of the Soviet Union, General of the Army S. Nurmagambetov said, "when I served in the army I slept badly, worries, exercises, training camps. But when I retired, I stopped sleeping altogether, because I know who and how is protecting me."
    Not only did I come to such conclusions, but a whole group of senior officers. After all, they wrote and said that in Kazakhstan there is an organized and thoroughly corrupt group of politicians and officials associated with foreign agents of influence who would never allow a strong and efficient army in this state. There are dozens of examples of this. Of course, the detention and arrest of 3 generals for corruption during a year seriously scared dozens of other military officials, but that did not solve the problem! The generals were only a simple transmission link, the main culprits who are pulling the criminals into power remained and are ready at any time to fulfill the orders of their patrons.
    1. RusKaz
      RusKaz 7 March 2014 09: 50
      +1
      what is it really so bad?
      1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 09: 59
        +5
        Naturally! Have you ever heard of a sudden readiness check in all years of independence? No, you can be dishonored right! And billions are being spent on its maintenance. Plus corruption in the procurement of weapons, housing, hazing!
    2. Clegg
      Clegg 7 March 2014 09: 58
      +6
      Quote: Vita_vko
      As the first Minister of Defense, Hero of the Soviet Union, General of the Army S. Nurmagambetov said, "when I served in the army I slept badly, worries, exercises, training camps. But when I retired, I stopped sleeping altogether, because I know who and how is protecting me."

      Is it from the rubric polymers delayed? laughing
  • RUSS
    RUSS 7 March 2014 10: 14
    +2
    Quote: Refugee from RK
    Guys don't need dust! No one noticed or does not want to talk about it, but A. Merkel helped turn on the backward GDP! And Crimea will not be part of Russia, in any case, now the GDP does not have such plans. Kiev took on a show and it increases the share of autonomy powers. Do not put the cart in front of the horse. After all, Abkhazia and South Ossetia did not become part of Russia, and there the mess was worse.


    "Ponty pounding" - time is gone, now things need to be done. Abkhazia and South Ossetia are neither an example nor an example for Crimea, they are completely different situations. What "show-off" and games with the Crimea can be? It is clear that the accession will not take place "today and tomorrow," but it will be obligatory, that is, the will of the Russians, Crimeans and the Russian authorities. The collapse of Georgia was largely due to the country's desire to join NATO, the situation in Crimea is different - the question of joining Russia was clearly raised at the referendum, and this issue was worked out not without the participation of Russia.
  • Refugee from Kazakhstan
    Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 10: 25
    +1
    And where are the Crimean Ukrainians? To Kazakhstan steppes with wagons with families? Many things are not clear there! We will not leave the Russians in trouble - the slogan. The reason the Black Sea Fleet base is the key question! Now, if according to it the new leadership, instead of including the bull, agrees in a civilized manner with the GDP, then there will be other slogans. We are waiting for the referendum on March 16.
    1. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian 7 March 2014 10: 38
      +1
      And where are the Crimean Ukrainians? To Kazakhstan steppes with wagons with families?


      Dear, what are you worried about? indigenous Crimean Tatars will never be in trouble, Russia and fraternal Tatarstan are already establishing contacts and business cooperation. Nobody will have to go to Kazakhstan, everyone will remain in the places where they were born and raised.
  • Refugee from Kazakhstan
    Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 10: 45
    +3
    That's with business cooperation and we must start! And then a friend from Kharkov writes about how Ukrainians go to the military registration and enlistment offices to mobilize, pre-war hysteria, a madhouse in short!
    1. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian 7 March 2014 10: 54
      0
      Let them mobilize, this is the military duty of every peasant, all within the framework of the duties of citizens under the Constitution.
    2. RusKaz
      RusKaz 7 March 2014 10: 58
      +1
      Quote: RK refugee
      friendship with Kharkov writes about how Ukrainians go to the military registration and enlistment offices to mobilize

      and HOW do they go to mobilize? I read somewhere that the number of minuscule people who came to the military registration and enlistment offices is simple. especially Kharkov
  • RUSS
    RUSS 7 March 2014 11: 10
    0
    Quote: xetai9977
    The NAS is doing the right thing. He sees that the tendency to annexation of the territories of neighboring states has begun and that he needs to prepare in advance for possible scenarios of a neighbor


    We are correcting the mistakes of the Bolsheviks, who created the national republics and cut the borders "on the living", and one of Khrushch's stupidity has already been corrected.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 7 March 2014 11: 39
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      We correct the mistakes of the Bolsheviks who created the national republic

      ADR was up to advice.
    2. Clegg
      Clegg 7 March 2014 12: 14
      +3
      Quote: RUSS
      We correct the mistakes of the Bolsheviks,

      hi RUSS, can you give more details? hi
  • tnk1969
    tnk1969 7 March 2014 13: 09
    +6
    Scandinavian and Refugee, do not quarrel, we are all born in one country. Our homeland of the USSR. And we became citizens of individual states only thanks to the betrayal of the national elites and some dolboobov ...
    And now about the fears of the Kazakhs and the National Academy of Sciences. Onu exist. As with all other people, when such events occur next to them as they are now in Ukraine and Crimea. Moreover, we were all brought up in one big family. We have an identical mentality and psychology. We have common roots. We have a common Memory. And when one of us begins to oppress and oppress, then we all take his side. Both spiritually and materially. It was not for nothing that Russia tried back in December to help Ukraine financially ...
    And if, God forbid, all trash and Natsik would come to us in Kazakhstan, then I’m sure you would all be for us, the Kazakhs and all other citizens of Kazakhstan.
    And the fact that the NAS made analyzes of the situation in Ukraine is so right. It would be foolish not to draw conclusions. And what he says about the combat effectiveness of the country's Armed Forces is normal. Indeed, if Putin would hold such a meeting and give the same instructions, then you would take it for granted. Am I not right?
    So let us be cruel to our opponents, not to each other. After all, Kazakhstan has never betrayed Russia and has always been on its side. Because the history of Kazakhstan is in many ways connected with Russia. We were together in defeats and in victories, our ancestors together built Turksib and Baikonur and mastered Tselina. The Kazakh shared with Russians and Ukrainians shelter and the last piece of food during the Great Patriotic War. In the war in my grandfather's house, there lived two families of those who were evacuated from Korsun and from Luga. Sixteen people, old people, children, women. And every evening they all sat down at the same table and ku? Or all that they had. They helped each other. Let's not forget this. To evil all traitors and Judas. And every trash from our "ulit"
    1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 14: 40
      +5
      Nobody forgot, nothing forgotten! And grandfathers and fathers, everything was, we remember all the good. And unlike Ukraine and other Union republics, the monuments dedicated to the Great Patriotic War are not demolished.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 7 March 2014 14: 00
    0
    Quote: Yeraz
    Quote: RUSS
    We correct the mistakes of the Bolsheviks who created the national republic

    ADR was up to advice.


    from 1917 to 1925 there were a lot of things, and the problem of Karabakh has been dragging on since the time when the Bolsheviks cut the "Transcaucasian pie" according to their short-sighted desire.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 7 March 2014 14: 28
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      from 1917 to 1925 a lot of things were

      That was it.
      Quote: RUSS
      Moreover, the problem of Karabakh has been dragging on since the time when the Bolsheviks cut the "Transcaucasian pie" by their short-sighted desire.

      I ask you not to start the branch will not stand))))
  • RUSS
    RUSS 7 March 2014 14: 17
    0
    Quote: Clegg
    Quote: RUSS
    We correct the mistakes of the Bolsheviks,

    hi RUSS, can you give more details? hi


    Hey.
    The mistakes of the Bolsheviks in the fact that they created the national republic justifying this by the fact that at that time it was done to save the country, but in the end it turned out the other way around. A gift to Ukraine in the form of eastern lands by Lenin was a mistake. It is too early to raise the question of returning them to Russia, but it is time to raise the question of federalism in Ukraine. And in your Kazakhstan, I think the borders are objectively fair, there are some questions in the past about the lands of the Ural (Yaitsky) and Semirechensky Cossacks, but unfortunately there are none now, therefore there are no problems, the Uralsky were completely defeated by the Reds as a result, this army ceased to exist, and the Semirechensky the percentage is very small.
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 7 March 2014 14: 24
      +3
      Quote: RUSS
      And in your Kazakhstan, I think the borders are objectively fair, there are some questions in the past about the lands of the Ural (Yaitsky) and Semirechensky Cossacks, but unfortunately there are none now, therefore there are no problems, the Uralsky were completely defeated by the Reds as a result, this army ceased to exist, and the Semirechensky in percentage, very few

      Do you want to pick up Uralsk too?)
  • RUSS
    RUSS 7 March 2014 14: 35
    +1
    Quote: Clegg
    Do you want to pick up Uralsk too?)


    It did not have to be given, but it was too late and unnecessary to take ....
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 7 March 2014 14: 37
      +3
      Quote: RUSS
      It did not have to be given, but it was too late and unnecessary to take ....

      I’m just from there, any referendum will fail. Kazakhs more than 70%, by the way.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 7 March 2014 14: 50
    0
    Quote: Clegg
    I’m just from there, any referendum will fail. Kazakhs more than 70%, by the way.


    Therefore, I previously replied that it was too late .....
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 7 March 2014 15: 39
    +1
    Quote: Clegg
    A few days ago, I got into the topic of Ukraine, and wanted to express my opinion on respect for the principles of international law)))))
    And then off we go ..



    Here the topic is hot, you need to know what to write .... you can enter the minus like a splinter in one place hi
    1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      Refugee from Kazakhstan 7 March 2014 15: 54
      +4
      Quote: Scandinavian
      Quote: Clegg
      A few days ago, I got into the topic of Ukraine, and wanted to express my opinion on respect for the principles of international law)))))
      And then off we go ..



      Here the topic is hot, you need to know what to write .... you can enter the minus like a splinter in one place hi

      You won’t please everyone here, so you still need to write what you think, although for some thoughts you will learn so much new about yourself))))!
  • Leshka
    Leshka 7 March 2014 16: 31
    +3
    Well done Kazakhs, God help
  • Shpagolom
    Shpagolom 7 March 2014 18: 05
    +2
    Well, survived, even partners, and then Russia managed to scare .... oh! recourse
  • Semurg
    Semurg 7 March 2014 19: 06
    +3
    What if you write on the topic of the article, then no one seems to argue that the National Academy of Sciences correctly focused on 1) the purchase of weapons and the construction of defense-related industries, primarily for the production of ammunition 2) the emphasis on training cadets will be placed on internal reserves and try not to send cadets for training outside the Republic of Kazakhstan 3) combating corruption in the Armed Forces and increasing their combat effectiveness with the exception of imitation of violent activities to transfer tables and office equipment from department to department. But it is interesting that this meeting took place after the meeting of NAS and VVP in Moscow and after this meeting of the NAS flew to China. Maybe all this is not connected with each other, or maybe on the contrary, everything is very connected and we are left to speculate like "pique vests". On the topics raised in the comments, Kazakhs are disunited on the issue of language, attitudes towards the National Academy of Sciences, on a geographic basis, etc., but I think we have one opinion on the issue of the integrity of the Republic of Kazakhstan. Non-Kazakhs, Russian-speaking, divided on the same issues as Kazakhs, are divided on the issue of the integrity of the Republic of Kazakhstan somewhere 50-50. Somewhere half of the Russian-speaking people who write that everything is pro-ral, I think it will help the section of the Republic of Kazakhstan under favorable circumstances (of course, under a plausible pretext, supposedly Kazakh fascists came to power), since Ascet wrote the legal grounds are spelled out in the agreements signed by the NAS. A small part of the Russian-speaking people who accepted the independence of the Republic of Kazakhstan without a "dusty bag of claims" behind their backs will by all means defend the Republic of Kazakhstan, but the third part will be neutral and wait for an outcome if a confrontation begins (though they still have to decide). As for the non-Russian-speaking diasporas, I can only say for the Uzbeks, they will be for the Republic of Kazakhstan, if the Ramses start even with Uzbekistan.
    1. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 7 March 2014 20: 12
      +3
      Quote: Semurg
      But it is interesting that this meeting took place after the meeting of NAS and VVP in Moscow and after this meeting of the NAS flew to China. Maybe all this is not connected with each other, or maybe on the contrary, everything is very connected and we are left to speculate like "pique vests".

      I will express my guesses. The NAS, GDP and the AHL did not depart from the idea of ​​the EurAsEC, it seems like they even agreed that there would be equal representation in the national authorities (previously they assumed representation as a percentage of the population). We agreed on space (I posted it above). So from the side of Moscow, the NAS does not see a threat. Then Beijing supported Moscow on the Ukrainian issue and Nazarbayev flew to China. And this is the meeting. In my opinion there are some threats from third countries.
      Of course, under a plausible pretext, supposedly Kazakh-fascists came to power
      I assure you, if there are no slogans "Kazakhstan for Kazakhs", then Russian-speaking people will be with Kazakhs on one side of the barricades.
      1. Zymran
        7 March 2014 20: 16
        +4
        Quote: Andrey KZ
        Then Beijing supported Moscow on the Ukrainian issue and Nazarbayev flew to China. And this is the meeting. In my opinion there are some threats from third countries.


        Beijing actually did not support Moscow. It was a disinformation. Officially, he announced the same as NAS. They say they are concerned about the forceful resolution of the issue.
        1. Andrey KZ
          Andrey KZ 7 March 2014 20: 30
          0
          BEIJING, 7 Mar - RIA Novosti, Oleg Ostroukhov. China does not believe that sanctions can help resolve the situation in Ukraine, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said at a regular briefing on Friday.

          "China has always been against the use or threat of use of sanctions in international relations," the Chinese diplomat said, answering a question about the possible imposition of sanctions by Western countries against Russia.

          "In the current situation, we hope that all parties will be able to avoid its further escalation and will make joint efforts to find a political solution to the crisis. This is the only way out," Qin Gang added.

          Commenting on the situation around the decision of the Supreme Council of Crimea on joining the Russian Federation, he called for a political solution to the relevant problems.

          "We call on all parties in Ukraine to peacefully solve problems within the framework of the law, through dialogue and consultations, in a real way to protect the legitimate interests of Ukrainians of all nationalities and to restore normal public order as soon as possible," Qin Gang said.

          RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20140307/998601274.html#ixzz2vIL1HuFZ
          I, too, am not enthusiastic about the division of Ukraine, I think that Putin did not want this either, but you must admit that the West simply did not leave Russia any other choice.
          1. Zymran
            7 March 2014 20: 46
            +3
            There will be no sanctions, but China has not expressed support for the Russian Federation on the Ukrainian issue. And then they wrote that he supposedly in response to sanctions against the Russian Federation would impose sanctions against the United States. laughing

            Quote: Andrey KZ
            The West simply did not leave Russia any other choice.


            In what sense?
            1. Andrey KZ
              Andrey KZ 7 March 2014 21: 13
              +1
              Quote: Zymran
              In what sense?
              After all, it is clear who started all this in Ukraine. Yes, and the precedent for the separation of one part of the country from the other also did not create the Russian Federation, take the same Kosovo. I communicate with relatives from Ukraine. Yanukovych really did business there, and his predecessors, too, in fact, none of the presidents did anything for the country. So my relatives are sure that in our KZ and the Russian Federation it is even worse. Their favorite phrase is already in the train, why do we need to go deeper into it. But someone shows them our life from an unsightly side, and does it convincingly, because they don’t believe my arguments at all.
              1. Zymran
                7 March 2014 22: 47
                +2
                Quote: Andrey KZ
                After all, it is clear who started all this in Ukraine.


                I believe that the local oligarchy. The EU and the US joined later.

                Quote: Andrey KZ
                Yes, and the precedent for the separation of one part of the country from the other also did not create the Russian Federation, take the same Kosovo.


                Nevertheless, great powers, including Russia, gave guarantees of indivisibility to Ukraine.

                Quote: Andrey KZ
                So my relatives are sure that in our KZ and the Russian Federation it is even worse. Their favorite phrase is already in the train, why do we need to go deeper into it.


                Not. It seems to me that you are unknowingly or consciously confusing. Your relatives do not want to join the Taiga Union, but this does not mean that they believe that it is worse with us. This means that they do not believe that they will be better in the TS and their living standards will improve.
                Looking at the RK, it is not hard to believe.
                1. RusKaz
                  RusKaz 9 March 2014 03: 33
                  +1
                  Quote: Zymran
                  Nevertheless, great powers, including Russia, gave guarantees of indivisibility to Ukraine.

                  when the Russian government was inadequate (90s) they signed guarantees to Ukraine. Now the Ukrainian government is inadequate, and Russia has come to its senses and wants to take its own (Crimea). IMHO)
          2. Scandinavian
            Scandinavian 8 March 2014 08: 11
            0
            I, too, am not enthusiastic about the division of Ukraine, I think that Putin did not want this either, but you must admit that the West simply did not leave Russia any other choice.


            I completely agree! how many times have they offered to join the alliance anyway, how much they have helped economically, but the intervention of the West was the last straw.
      2. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 7 March 2014 20: 55
        +6
        Quote: Andrey KZ
        I assure you, if there are no slogans "Kazakhstan for Kazakhs", then Russian-speaking people will be with Kazakhs on one side of the barricades.
        ..
        Quote: Andrey KZ
        as long as it is, Russians and Kazakhs will be in the same trench, and Russia will have no reason to encroach on the territory of Kazakhstan.
        I’ll clarify, if possible, the position from the Kazakhs.
        Until Russia encroaches on the territory of Kazakhstan, Kazakhs and Russians will be in the same trench.
        Quote: Andrey KZ
        the threat comes from third countries, but not from Russia.
        Now the referendum on the division of Ukraine, is initiated by third countries or Russia ??
        1. Andrey KZ
          Andrey KZ 7 March 2014 21: 19
          +1
          Quote: Alibekulu
          Now the referendum on the division of Ukraine, is initiated by third countries or Russia ??
          And who created the situation that the question of a referendum arose at all?
          1. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 7 March 2014 21: 46
            +3
            Quote: Andrey KZ
            And who created the situation that the question of a referendum arose at all?
            The most absurd and illogical in this situation is that Yarosh, Sashko Bily played simultaneously with the GDP recourse
            Those. the radicals of the Right Sector legitimized Moscow's interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign state.
            In turn, Putin by his actions "pours water" on the mill of the Western radicals: "We said that the Moskals want to enslave the free Ukraine."
            And, radicals are strong only when there is confusion and discord ..
            And the Kremlin, succumbed to the fire ..
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 7 March 2014 21: 53
              +2
              GDP itself voiced that he is a nationalist and DAM voiced the same thing and according to his preferences he is the right politician and he is supported by the right politicians of Europe, and the left and liberals are opposed (the USA outside the brackets are like the Russian Federation with the empire)
              1. Scandinavian
                Scandinavian 8 March 2014 09: 06
                -1
                The USA outside the brackets, they, like the Russian Federation, are sick with the empire)


                Russia is a political hegemon, the same as China, and the United States, so it was and will always be interesting to defend its imperial in the region, get used to it, those who do not agree.
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        2. Semurg
          Semurg 7 March 2014 21: 37
          0
          The referendum in Crimea will be held at the initiative of local Russians under the umbrella of the Russian Federation, and this is exactly the focus we can do, and it’s not necessary for the Kazakhs to organize Kazakh marches, it’s enough to say that we don’t want to join the union (the whole question is in the conflict of mentality, the Kazakhs want to build a national the state, most Russians dream about the empire that we have in the Russian Federation). By the way, Kazakh marches themselves do not want Kazakh marches in the first place, if they wanted to already have it, I was shocked when I found out that Russian marches were held in Kazakhstan and there are their fans.
          1. RusKaz
            RusKaz 9 March 2014 03: 18
            +1
            Quote: Semurg
            I was shocked when I found out that in our Republic of Kazakhstan there were Russian marches and there are their fans

            can I read in more detail or what link to use?
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 9 March 2014 11: 15
              0
              fill in any search engine "Russian marches in Kazakhstan" and marvel
              1. RusKaz
                RusKaz 9 March 2014 19: 12
                0
                thank you!)) you could just write: look for it yourself))
                1. Semurg
                  Semurg 9 March 2014 21: 09
                  +1
                  Well, he himself asked for a tip than he was rich and posted. In the fall, when this indecency was outlined in Moscow, it became interesting and began to type in the search engine "Russian march", and there it got out in a footnote along with cities in the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan became interesting, opened it and read it and left no links for myself, why do I need this garbage
                  1. RusKaz
                    RusKaz 9 March 2014 21: 22
                    +1
                    Ah, then I'm sorry. hi I decided that you just do not want to give it to me. Of course, I myself could search from the very beginning, and not ask. But I usually ask the person who said the link, because in this case part of the work has already been done. Those. Someone has already ventilated the topic and most likely will throw a link to a less reliable Old.
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  • Semurg
    Semurg 7 March 2014 20: 00
    +1
    Who in the course has read on the total that in Priozersk in the Republic of Kazakhstan there are 1500 contract soldiers and there they open a special commandant’s office with the Russian military police. Priozersk is which on Balkhash in the center of the Republic of Kazakhstan? and what are the agreements of 1995 on the basis of which they stand there?
  • Zymran
    7 March 2014 21: 38
    +2
    Colleagues, remember the proverb?

    Bizdin ate Toktamysty zhamandatynyn da koymaydy, kors, bass uryp, tonkandayunyn yes koymaydy.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 7 March 2014 21: 45
      +2
      Quote: Zymran
      Colleagues, remember the proverb?

      Bizdin ate Toktamysty zhamandatynyn da koymaydy, kors, bass uryp, tonkandayunyn yes koymaydy.

      Stop burning laughing
      1. Zymran
        7 March 2014 21: 51
        +1
        Very suitable for our situation. sad
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    3. Ptah
      Ptah 7 March 2014 22: 12
      0
      Quote: Zymran
      Colleagues, remember the proverb?

      We remember a proverb. That's just the meaning lost over the limitation of years. Even Google caught a wedge ...
      1. Zymran
        7 March 2014 22: 15
        +2
        Our people constantly scolds Tokhtamysh, but at a meeting they bow their heads [before him] anyway.
      2. RusKaz
        RusKaz 9 March 2014 03: 12
        +1
        Quote: Ptah
        We remember a proverb. That's just the meaning lost over the limitation of years. Even Google caught a wedge ...

        Oh, Russian ...) And then you wonder why the Caucasians in Russia are putting their own rules in order)) It all starts small)

        and the proverb is good)
  • Semurg
    Semurg 7 March 2014 22: 31
    +3
    Another interesting point is, while the events in Crimea were hot, our Foreign Ministry wrote about the unacceptability of a military solution to the issue and what kind of territorial integrity we are. Then the GDP came out on TV and said that there would be no solution to the war. The next day, the NAS and Lukashenko fly to Moscow and talk with the GDP, the first guests of the GDP after the start of the bouza in Crimea. The next day, the Federation Council adopts a law on the admission of new members to the Russian Federation and Crimea shifts the time of the referendum, while the National Academy of Sciences holds this meeting on military issues and flies to China in a huge field of thought. So I think if a referendum is held in Crimea and it will be adopted in the Russian Federation, the NAS will do what. I think it will start to slow down with the signing of the union.
    1. Zymran
      7 March 2014 22: 41
      +3
      Quote: Semurg
      So I think if a referendum is held in Crimea and it will be adopted in the Russian Federation, the NAS will do what. I think it will start to slow down with the signing of the union.


      Do you think he will not be afraid that Putin will want to squeeze out North Kazakhstan too, and "will not help the US and the EU in that number"?
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 7 March 2014 22: 45
        +3
        I don’t think they will open a second front with Ukraine, I think they won’t open, but if hysteria begins in the Russian media on the blackening of the Republic of Kazakhstan, then we will approach the border.
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      3. Clegg
        Clegg 7 March 2014 22: 49
        +2
        Quote: Zymran
        Do you think he will not be afraid that Putin will want to squeeze out North Kazakhstan too, and "will not help the US and the EU in that number"?

        He is facing a dilemma now, or with his people who do not want an alliance with the Russian Federation. Or he will chick and try to remain in power until the end with the help of Russian bayonets.
        I hope he makes the right decision, as a citizen, I am ready to forgive him a lot if he refuses to Evraz. Union.
        History will judge everyone, including us.
        1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
          Refugee from Kazakhstan 8 March 2014 09: 35
          +2
          It is dangerous to enter into an alliance with a man who always grabs the pin of a grenade!
          1. RusKaz
            RusKaz 9 March 2014 02: 58
            +1
            Quote: RK refugee
            It is dangerous to enter into an alliance with a man who always grabs the pin of a grenade!

            Are you talking about Russia? Yes, she is the most peaceful of the countries! (not sarcasm)
    2. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 8 March 2014 08: 52
      +2
      Quote: Semurg
      So I think if a referendum is held in Crimea and it will be adopted in the Russian Federation, the NAS will do what. I think it will start to slow down with the signing of the union.
      I still think that the GDP revealed all the cards in front of the NAS and the AHL. I don’t know why, but I think that there will be no separation of Crimea, Putin is a chess player and perfectly understands that this step will alert Kazakhstan and Belarus. Plus, this precedent will give rise to subjects within Russia (Tatarstan, Dagestan, etc.) to demand independence. Putin simply brings the legislative framework to cool hotheads in the West, and makes it clear that they have nothing to catch in Ukraine.
    3. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 8 March 2014 09: 30
      +5
      Quote: Semurg
      but if hysteria begins in the Russian media on the blackening of the Republic of Kazakhstan, then we are approaching the border.
      Put off the panic soldier

      Let's wait, what will end in II Ukrainian ..
      Although conclusions will already have to be made, both by the leadership and the people of Kazakhstan.
      Try to see the positive in this situation.
      1- we at least know that the Russian Federation is fundamentally ready to interfere in the affairs of the "independent", therefore, forewarned, therefore armed. Those. based on the most negative scenarios, the RK can prepare for it. And, all that is needed for this, K-on has - unlimited finances, allowing you to purchase and upgrade military equipment. The population (titles), which is ready to defend the territorial integrity of the country with arms in hand. The leadership, which in general, did not give rise to doubt in its competence.
      2- Kazakhstan is not Ukraine. After all, they themselves gave rise to interference. This is also a lesson, both to the elite and to the people, to which the discord and failure to fulfill their functions can lead. The Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan is the skeleton around which it is planned to mobilize and increase the number of aircraft relatively quickly.
      3- The time, from the Ukrainian crisis, to possible claims for "harassment of the Russian-speaking population in Kazakhstan" will be a fairly long period of time, which will make it possible to thoroughly prepare for any scenario.
      Quote: Zymran
      Do you think he will not be afraid that Putin will want Sev.Kazakhstan to squeeze quietly
      am
      Quote: Clegg
      Or he chickens

      You forget that the Kazakhs will not be scared or frightened .. soldier
      Quote: Clegg
      He is facing a dilemma now, or with his people who do not want an alliance with the Russian Federation.
      You forget that Nursultan Kazakh ..
      And the Kazakhs have an unspoken, deep inside, belief:
      Firstly, we are Kazakhs
      secondly - we are Kazakhs
      thirdly, we are Kazakhs
      And then Kerey and Kipchaks, Shala and Nagyz, northern and southern ..
      Ah, Abishevich flesh from flesh from his people ..
      Quote: Scandinavian
      get used to it, those who do not agree.
      Yes, and they will reveal to return to the sinful earth .. lol
      1. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ 8 March 2014 09: 47
        +2
        Quote: Alibekulu
        - Kazakhstan is not Ukraine. After all, they themselves gave rise to interference. This is also a lesson, both to the elite and to the people, to which the discord and failure to fulfill their functions can lead.

        Greetings Alibek. This should have been put in the first place. After all, the main reason for what happened is the radicals who seized power. This is the theater of the absurd, when the Maidan hooting appoints ministers. Everything else has grown like a snowball. Action gives rise to opposition, nothing new. Kazakhstan is strong in a consolidated society, I am sure that it will always be so. PS Congratulate your women on 8 Marta from me personally.
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 8 March 2014 10: 02
          +2
          Quote: Andrey KZ
          After all, the main reason for what happened is the radicals who seized power.

          Who are these radicals? Yatsenyuk? Turchinov?
          1. Andrey KZ
            Andrey KZ 8 March 2014 10: 09
            0
            Quote: Clegg
            Yatsenyuk? Turchinov?

            Dolls. Yarosh- strings. But who pulls the strings? Certainly not the people of Ukraine.
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 8 March 2014 10: 18
              +1
              Quote: Andrey KZ
              Dolls. Yarosh- strings. But who pulls the strings?

              Does this give rise to Russia to bring in its troops?
              1. Andrey KZ
                Andrey KZ 8 March 2014 10: 24
                0
                Quote: Clegg
                Does this give rise to Russia to bring in its troops?
                Have you already entered? Indeed, in fact, in Ukraine there is now no one to sit at the negotiating table with. There is nothing worse than anarchy.
                1. Clegg
                  Clegg 8 March 2014 10: 41
                  +2
                  Quote: Andrey KZ
                  Have you already entered?

                  Yes, already two Kazakhs were lit up there, one of Azamat Dosanov from Saratov, GRU special forces. One armored personnel carrier with numbers that match the Tiger that was at the military parade. Do not be naive.

                  Quote: Andrey KZ
                  Indeed, in fact, in Ukraine there is now no one to sit at the negotiating table with. There is nothing worse than anarchy.

                  A government was formed there which supported 371 deputies of the Verkhovna Rada, and the Constitution was amended by law. To amend the Constitution, 2/3 of the votes are needed, which is 300 out of 450 votes. I repeat 371. So what questions?
                  1. Andrey KZ
                    Andrey KZ 8 March 2014 10: 48
                    0
                    Quote: Clegg
                    A government was formed there that supported 371 MPs,

                    Under the pressure of the Maidan, right?
                    1. Clegg
                      Clegg 8 March 2014 10: 50
                      +2
                      Quote: Andrey KZ
                      Under the pressure of the Maidan, right?

                      Do you want this to be under pressure from the Russian troops?
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                  2. RusKaz
                    RusKaz 9 March 2014 01: 17
                    +1
                    Quote: Clegg
                    Yes, already two Kazakhs were lit up there, one of Azamat Dosanov from Saratov, GRU special forces.

                    where infa? throw a link, interesting
                    Quote: Clegg
                    One armored personnel carrier with numbers that match the Tiger that was at the military parade.

                    so in the Crimea the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation costs that as hints ...
              2. RusKaz
                RusKaz 9 March 2014 01: 27
                +1
                Quote: Clegg
                Does this give rise to Russia to bring in its troops?

                no need to replace concepts. Troops Russia did not enter! And the fact that there turned out to be a handful of GRU officers, so there is also a handful of amers. Well this does not mean that the United States introduced troops .....
                1. Semurg
                  Semurg 9 March 2014 11: 12
                  0
                  Well so about it and the speech of the USA = the Russian Federation, fans to get into internal affairs of foreign states.
                  1. RusKaz
                    RusKaz 9 March 2014 19: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: Semurg
                    Well so about it and the speech of the USA = the Russian Federation, fans to get into internal affairs of foreign states.

                    no)) is not the case)
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        2. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu 8 March 2014 10: 57
          +3
          Quote: Andrey KZ
          Greetings Alibek.
          Shalom to everyone hi Yesenguer salem, didn’t answer, it wasn’t before .. this was swinging his saber soldier
          Quote: Andrey KZ
          After all, the main reason for what happened is the radicals who seized power.
          No, I think not radicals. They are radicals, as there are always cancer cells, and they do not appear until power itself, through its actions, creates favorable conditions for them ..
          Between the elite and the people, there is an unspoken "social contract" according to which the people and the elite are delegated power. In turn, the elite must carry out managerial functions in the interests of the people, for which they receive appropriate privileges. But, over time, the elite perceives the powers given to them as a matter of course, simply by the fact of their existence. And, on the job assigned to her, "big and fat" lays down. As a result, the people have questions to the elite that does not fulfill the powers delegated to it, which in the end loses even the elementary instinct of self-preservation, a change of elite occurs - often bloody. The most striking example of the revolution of 17. If, honestly, I am not at all sorry for the destroyed nobility, the executed royal family, as they deliberately and systematically went to the bloody ending.
          And, every power, no matter how powerful it should be, should understand that if it does not act in the interests of the people, it will raise the question of the need for this power in general ..
          Quote: Andrey KZ
          This is the theater of the absurd, when the Maidan hooting appoints ministers.
          This absurdity is a direct result of the actions of the authorities of Ukraine, Yanukovych with his son and the Ukrainian oligarchy.
          Quote: Andrey KZ
          sure that it will always be
          corermis recourse
          The funny thing is that the discussed events will lead to a serious strengthening of the positions of Kazakhstani radicals. And, if they were previously perceived as "city madmen", now ...
          1. Andrey KZ
            Andrey KZ 8 March 2014 11: 18
            0
            Quote: Alibekulu
            This absurdity is a direct result of the actions of the authorities of Ukraine, Yanukovych with his son and the Ukrainian oligarchy.
            I agree.
            The funny thing is that the discussed events will lead to a serious strengthening of the positions of Kazakhstani radicals. And, if they were previously perceived as "city madmen", now ...
            This is by no means permissible; in our multinational country it is like death.
            Do you want this to be under pressure from the Russian troops?
            The appointment to key government posts must be approached with a cold head; no pressure is unacceptable here. And so the Maidan will be every month. That is why the Maidan still does not diverge? In fact, BP makes those decisions whose adoption requires Maidan. That's all, I went to my mother-in-law for manti. War is war, and mother-in-law needs to be congratulated, otherwise I will arrange a maidan in my hut.
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 8 March 2014 14: 32
              0
              Quote: Andrey KZ
              The appointment to key government posts must be approached with a cold head; no pressure is unacceptable here.

              You begin to forget along the way that the appointment or dismissal of key government posts is purely an internal affair of Ukraine.
              1. Andrey KZ
                Andrey KZ 8 March 2014 21: 06
                +1
                Quote: Clegg
                You begin to forget along the way that the appointment or dismissal of key government posts is purely an internal affair of Ukraine.

                Do not distort the dear. I wrote
                no pressure is allowed here
                1. Semurg
                  Semurg 8 March 2014 22: 22
                  +1
                  in our neighborhood in Kyrgyzstan, the same thing was a revolution with shooting and robbery and casualties. There was a temporary ruler R. Otunbaeva (in Ukraine, Turchinov). Then the elections were held now the power is re-elected (of course you can write that the power there is weak, etc.), but I'm not talking about that. For example, there are Kazakh diasporas, and here the Republic of Kazakhstan, under the slogan of protecting them and not legitimacy, R. Otumbaeva enters the troops there and separates Issyk-Kul (the same resort region), how do you like this? But the NAS says the people made their choice and we are working with the government that is (if you start about the nationalists of the Ukrainians, the Kyrgyz also don’t particularly hide that some of the nationalists are still adherents of the caliphates). What prevented Moscow from doing the same, only one imperial ambition. The Russian Federation spoke for a long time about the inadmissibility of forceful decisions in political matters and even earned some bonuses in the international community and then Georgia once, then two Ukraine, and then three ..... in general, you won’t hide her nature anywhere. And there is no evil empire of the United States and the empire of good of the Russian Federation, but there are simply two empires that are worth each other.
                  1. RusKaz
                    RusKaz 8 March 2014 23: 51
                    +2
                    semurg, that you write some nonsense (sorry)
                    ok, let’s imagine for a moment that our Kazakhstan is Russia, and Kyrgyzstan is Ukraine ..

                    1 If Fr. Issyk-Kul were part of the KZ, and in Soviet times, Kunaev at his whim with a stroke of the pen would transfer this part to Kyrgyzstan without at the same time asking the people living there (who, as they were, have remained to this day 80% of ethnic Kazakhs)
                    2 If at the same time on the island of Issyk-Kul there would be our base of the Navy, which for us would be very good. it’s important and for which we would head grandmother for them.
                    3 If in Kyrgyzstan there were many Kazakhs in general and just people who spoke Kazakh, and the new government in the Kyrgyz Republic would begin to severely infringe on their rights in terms of language
                    4 If, under the new government, in the Kyrgyz Republic they would start demolishing the monuments of war to the Kazakhs who fought on that land
                    5 If columns of frostbitten Kyrgyz shouting: Kazakhs to knives would openly walk along Bishkek under the new government
                    6 If, under the new government, the possibility of the appearance of an enemy missile defense against us were looming in the future
                    etc.
                    then Kazakhtan would fit in at least. And most likely it would act like Russia now, or even cooler
                    that which is not necessary la la
                    1. Semurg
                      Semurg 9 March 2014 10: 54
                      +2
                      Rus-Kaz talking nonsense worse than mine (sorry). Any pretext is good enough to justify interference; the Americans need only lack of democracy in their understanding. All empires are the same, you want to imagine that the Russian Federation is white and fluffy and the United States is evil, and both loves and wants to poke their noses everywhere and in all matters, but everything can be justified. The only difference is that the United States is poking its nose around the world, while the Russian Federation, due to its economic weakness, is poking its nose into the CIS countries. By the way, in the Baltics, Russians are shimmed much stronger than in Ukraine (they are officially second-class citizens and there are more of them in percentage than in Ukraine) and the Russian Federation does not go with "polite military men" do not know why? And in Ukraine, the interim president Turchinov (in Kyrgyzstan there was Otumbayeva) for a transitional period and on May 25 elections were announced, and there will be a legitimate power with which the Russian Federation will have to do business, and how to conduct them after cutting off part of the territory? (by the way, Russia for Russians, these marches are held in Moscow, and the rest are knives?)
                      1. RusKaz
                        RusKaz 9 March 2014 19: 33
                        +1
                        if for example in Jordan people come to power posed by Iran with the prospect of deploying Iranian missiles there, how do you think Israel will act? He will act like Russia. Is Israel an empire too? No! I remember that you are afraid of Russia, but in this particular case, Russia is not driven by imperial ambitions, but by considerations of its own security in the first place. If, instead of Ukraine, let’s say Serbia, then you might still be right)
                      2. Semurg
                        Semurg 9 March 2014 21: 22
                        +1
                        Israel is the same empire, though the subtlety is the same here, they are no longer a geographical empire, but a media and financial one. I’m even sure that if they had the resources, they would have bombed Iran for a long time to hell and they wouldn’t have anything for it. True, they didn’t grab territories either from the original map, but there are tee works in Israel from the Nile to Euphrates (by the way, they also had the same favorite song about oppressed compatriots-diasporas)
                      3. RusKaz
                        RusKaz 9 March 2014 21: 27
                        +1
                        Well, okay. I will not argue, it is unlikely to convince each other)
                        Here, by the way about the US missile defense in Ukraine, I just read:
                        http://vz.ru/news/2014/3/9/676315.html
                      4. Semurg
                        Semurg 9 March 2014 21: 39
                        +1
                        the question is not to convince or not everyone expresses their opinion well along the way and what information is coming. In place of Ukraine, today the NATO base in eastern Ukraine is the expected step (like nuclear weapons, we foolishly returned under the guarantees of the Russian Federation and the United States about the inviolability of borders and the integrity of the territory), and now it remains only to rely on foreign bases on our land. First, the Russians are now American (we already have the Russians ......)
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                    2. Clegg
                      Clegg 9 March 2014 22: 05
                      +1
                      Quote: Semurg
                      True, the territories they grabbed were not sickly from the original map, but there are also tee jobs in Israel from the Nile to Euphrates

                      ET for sure, the movement is now called HYPERSIONISM)))))
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          3. Clegg
            Clegg 9 March 2014 22: 19
            +1
            Quote: Andrey KZ
            Do not distort the dear. I wrote
            no pressure is allowed here


            Still, I think that it is permissible or not to decide Ukraine, and not the Russian Federation or the United States agree?
  • Refugee from Kazakhstan
    Refugee from Kazakhstan 8 March 2014 09: 55
    +3
    1. The GVP should understand that, being in the CU and the CSTO, Russia must use force responsibly, because while we are in the same boat.
    2. Being in the same boat, only a rat (young and impudent) can catch the rations of others!
    3. If the rat is stronger, and does not heed the mind, then break the oars, drown the oars and swim away from such a rotten vehicle (vehicle).
    1. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian 8 March 2014 10: 28
      -1
      1. The GVP should understand that, being in the CU and the CSTO, Russia must use force responsibly, because while we are in the same boat.
      2. Being in the same boat, only a rat (young and impudent) can catch the rations of others!
      3. If the rat is stronger, and does not heed the mind, then break the oars, drown the oars and swim away from such a rotten vehicle (vehicle).


      Damn the people do not bzdit, got it already. Russians have never been aggressors.
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 8 March 2014 10: 43
        +3
        Quote: Scandinavian
        Damn the people do not bzdit, got it already.

        And no one is bzdit, just would like that in case of a repetition of such a scenario, our generals would give the order to shoot to kill, and not like the Ukrainians "not to succumb to provocations." There, the Cossacks are storming military bases, and the Ukrainian military are forced to endure it because there was no order to shoot.
        1. RusKaz
          RusKaz 9 March 2014 00: 44
          +1
          Clegg, you are so cool here, I just go nuts with you !! You tell me, you are not just shooting, you yourself will personally go out against the Russian of your weight category "once upon a time"? Did you even serve in the army? "our generals would give orders to shoot to kill" .....
          just be honest
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 9 March 2014 17: 40
            0
            Quote: RusKaz
            Clegg, you're so cool here, I'm just bullshit with you !!

            Nope, I'm not cool, I'm ordinary. smile

            Quote: RusKaz
            Clegg, you are so cool here, I just go nuts with you !! You tell me, you are not just shooting, you yourself will personally go out against the Russian of your weight category "once upon a time"? Did you even serve in the army? "our generals would give orders to shoot to kill" .....
            just be honest

            I know how to shoot, I did not serve in the army. Why should I go out? And why exactly against the Russian?
            1. RusKaz
              RusKaz 9 March 2014 19: 38
              0
              Quote: Clegg
              Why should I go out? And why exactly against the Russian?

              you’re just a Russophobe) and I noticed that many * phobes, and especially those who have a long tongue, have a lot of fun in life (no offense). they say on the Internet, but in life they keep silent for fear of receiving. so I asked)
              What city do you live in?
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 9 March 2014 21: 40
                0
                Quote: RusKaz
                you're just Russophobe)

                I have a friend Russian finally laughing

                Quote: RusKaz
                What city do you live in?

                Uralsk
                1. RusKaz
                  RusKaz 9 March 2014 21: 51
                  0
                  Quote: Clegg
                  I have a girlfriend Russian finally laughing

                  it does not mean anything) well, if you said that you have friends (real) Russian guys, this is an argument)
                  1. Clegg
                    Clegg 9 March 2014 21: 58
                    +1
                    Quote: RusKaz
                    well, if you said that you have friends (real) Russian guys, this is an argument)

                    You understand right now we live in a time when if you criticize Israel you become an anti-Semite, you speak for your native language you become a Nazi or fascist, you criticize Islam you become an Islamophobe, you criticize Russia you become a Russophobe, etc.

                    Now about drugana, I don’t have a Russian friend, I don’t know why ...
                    Maybe because I was in a Kazakh school? As you know, only Kazakhs study in Kazakh schools.
  • RusKaz
    RusKaz 9 March 2014 02: 54
    +2
    Quote: Alibekulu
    The population (titles), which is ready to defend with arms in their hands the territorial integrity of the country.

    No, I like it)) We have here, as it were, a multinational state-in and all that, but it turns out that the Kazakhs believe that what happened is terr. integrity with weapons in their hands will be defended only by them (titles) = D
    And everyone else will do what?
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 9 March 2014 17: 34
      +3
      Quote: RusKaz
      No, I like it))
      A shelf of youngsters arrived hi
      Quote: RusKaz
      We have here, as it were, a multinational state and all that, but it turns out that the Kazakhs believe that what happened is terr. integrity with weapons in their hands will be defended only by them (titles) = D
      It doesn't suit me very well either. But, to argue in terms of "like - dislike" leave nymphets ..
      Unfortunately, there is something there, and this has to be perceived as a fact.
      A significant part of the "Russian" population of our country has already stated this more than once.
      And for the Kazakhs there is no land beyond the "Kairak" (customs post on the Kazakh / Russian border).
      And the Russians, like ours, and in the Russian Federation have repeatedly stated that Sev. Mr. (like Crimea wink ) "primordially Russian lands" and also donated to the Kazakhs ..
      Quote: Clegg
      our generals would give the order to shoot to kill, and not like the Ukrainians "not to succumb to provocations."
      Well you, like a libertian smile I think the generals will have a different problem, as if the Kazakh soldiers would not shoot without orders .. soldier
      Moreover, I think the Kazakhs, they will storm military commissariats and arsenals with the requirement of sending and arming them .. recourse
      Kazakhs, in comparison with Russians, are more ready for self-mobilization, at critical moments, by virtue of the eastern communal organization (atavism of our tribal system) ..
      Examples: New Knot at the end of 80's. The most characteristic is the Kazakhs' appearance in Tselinograd against the creation of the German autonomy of 1979. Moreover, in 79, like 1986, the Kazakhs were in a clear numerical minority, but nevertheless were not afraid to protest ..
      And, one more important factor. At present, in North Kazakhstan, judging by the Kostanay region, there is a "quiet" migration of the "Russian" population in the Russian Federation, in the absence of objective reasons. What will happen with the escalation ??!
      Those. during active hostilities, most of the "Russian" population will go to Russia, and so on. the reason itself will disappear ...
      These are the "untimely thoughts", don't blame me ... lol
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 9 March 2014 18: 36
        +3
        Another example of the 5 southern regions of the South Kazakhstan region transferred to Uzbekistan, kipish was not frail until 4 regions were returned (Gagarin could not be defended)
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      3. RusKaz
        RusKaz 9 March 2014 19: 52
        +1
        Quote: Alibekulu
        A shelf of youngsters arrived

        Hey, youngster himself !! = /
        Quote: Alibekulu
        It doesn't suit me very well either. But, to argue in terms of "like - dislike" leave nymphets ..

        Pfffff ..)) It was just a figure of speech, and not reasoning NRA - not NRA))
        Unfortunately, there is something there, and this has to be perceived as a fact.
        A significant part of the "Russian" population of our country has already stated this more than once.
        And for the Kazakhs there is no land beyond the "Kairak" (customs post on the Kazakh / Russian border).
        And, the Russians, like ours and in the Russian Federation, have repeatedly stated that the North. K-n (like Crimea wink) "primordially Russian lands" and also donated to Kazakhs ..

        Firstly, this is far from a fact, but just your observation)
        Secondly, whatever the Russians say on the Internet, in real life everything can be different;)
        Thirdly, Russians also have families to protect
  • Semurg
    Semurg 8 March 2014 10: 38
    +3
    But the events in Ukraine will in any way affect us all, without exception, residents of the Republic of Kazakhstan, I'm not talking about the economy, but talking about thoughts in their heads, a radicalization of positions has taken place. Russian-speaking people began to write on the Internet that RK is next, and Kazakhs have become even more suspicious of their neighbors. I think we have passed some kind of Rubicon, and if something like this starts, it will be a bloodier mess than in Ukraine (there this business restrains the belonging of the conflicting people to the same roots and one religion we will not have these brakes, but on one "sabyr" - patience and tolerance will not sit for a long time) But I hope we will not start sawing our homeland for the ghostly dreams of some part of people about building an empire. Happy holiday to all women, I’ll go to marinate meat for barbecue.
    1. RusKaz
      RusKaz 9 March 2014 02: 29
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      Russian-speakers could start writing that our republic is next in the sense that the next Americans we will begin to rock the boat, and not what you thought)
      As I understand it, you have a prejudice that the Russians living in Kazakhstan are sleeping and see Kazakhstan as part of Russia))) This is a misconception)

      if I understand you correctly, of course)
    2. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 9 March 2014 17: 35
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      And, if it is serious, then everything suggests that, in principle, the leadership of the Russian Federation "handed over" SevKaz RK.
      Note that for all 20 years, official Moscow has never raised the question of "the situation of the Russian-speaking population of K-na."
      Moreover, remember that the top leadership of the Russian Federation, in no way reacted to the "legendary" speech of the NAS in Turkey ...
      And this is evidence that the Kremlin values ​​Kazakhstan too much as an ally.
      So that is enough. Themselves fooled belay The apocalyptic script reviewed. Tone raised .. And okay ...
      Although this does not mean that it is not necessary to carry out a complex of measures to strengthen the country's defense capability.
      By the way, the program of development of megacities recently adopted should be reviewed ..
      Include Kostanay and Petropavlovsk in it. As outposts against Chelyabinsk and Omsk ..
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 9 March 2014 18: 31
        +2
        Not everything is right first in the south and west. Astana is in the center, north in 10-15 years, when an excess of Kazakhs accumulates in the south and west, who want to go to live in the north, and now start building early.
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  • Refugee from Kazakhstan
    Refugee from Kazakhstan 8 March 2014 10: 46
    +3
    Any nation can cover any aggression with good intentions. Particularly popular: the issuance of Russian passports to citizens of a neighboring sovereign state, informational support on the need for independence and the withdrawal of one or another part of the territory of a sovereign state, in the event of an attempt to restore constitutional power by a sovereign state, a scheme is included: to protect the lives of its citizens, as well as the possibility of self-determination as autonomy or joining its territory, troops are being introduced. That's all! The same Mr. only in the other hand.
    1. RusKaz
      RusKaz 9 March 2014 01: 59
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      Quote: RK refugee
      Any nation can cover any aggression with good intentions. Especially popular: issuing Russian passports to citizens of neighboring

      and still popular are the development of democracy and human freedoms))) American style even))
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 8 March 2014 11: 11
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    Quote: Clegg
    would give an order to shoot for defeat,

    With this question to our generals please.