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"This" ice age "has already arrived"

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"This" ice age "has already arrived"“It’s too early to talk about what sanctions could be, since the situation is unfolding, it is possible that in a month it may turn out to be completely different than it is now. Especially in the light of the progressive destabilization of Ukraine, ”political analyst Sergei Karaganov told the newspaper VIEW, commenting on Washington’s threats to impose sanctions on Moscow.


The Russian Foreign Ministry on Monday called unacceptable threats to US Secretary of State John Kerry, who attacked Moscow’s actions to protect compatriots in Ukraine.

“Without bothering to try to understand the complex processes taking place in Ukrainian society and objectively assess the situation, which continues to deteriorate after a violent seizure of power in Kiev by radical extremists, the state secretary operates on the Cold War stamps, offering to“ punish ”not those who organized the coup, and the Russian Federation ", - stated in the appeal of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Recall that shortly after the decision of the Council of Federation, Secretary of State Kerry threatened Russia with economic isolation, and also stated that the United States and several other countries "are ready to completely isolate Russia" in the international arena, excluding from G8. The Russian Foreign Ministry recalled that the new Kiev regime “trampled the February 21 agreement,” signed by the foreign ministers of Germany, France and Poland, the partner countries of the United States in NATO. It is indicative that the reaction of the West to Kerry’s “hawkish” statements was far from unequivocal. The foreign ministers of Germany and Belgium Frank-Walter Steinmeier and Didier Reinders called for the preservation of Russia in G8.

The appeal of the Russian Foreign Ministry ends on a conciliatory note - they express hope in Smolensk Square that the readiness to be guided by common interests in the G8 comes to the fore. One should not overlook the fact that Moscow in the “Ukrainian issue” is supported by China, also a member of the UN Security Council.

Sergey Karaganov, dean of the faculty of world economics and world politics, honorary chairman of the presidium of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy (SWAP), spoke about how serious the threats sounding from Washington are in an interview to the VIEW newspaper.

VIEW: Sergey Alexandrovich, how much are the demarches of the Western partners in the G-8 painful for Russia? Perhaps the West should more actively use G8 as a platform for dialogue with Moscow?

Sergei Karaganov: It seems to me that “our Western partners” were not ready for such a tough response of Russia to the series of actions that Russia regarded as a provocation. I mean that absolutely unprecedented campaign of slander that attacked Russia last year in connection with the Olympics in Sochi. This led to the fact that we in Russia (both the population and part of the elite) decided that the West decided to conduct an unfriendly policy.

Among other things, against this background, the decision on the senseless and hopeless accession of Ukraine to the association agreement with the European Union did not matter, except as a political call from Russia. Now we see that our Western colleagues are in some confusion. The Russian reaction there is abrupt, frankly.

Apparently, now you need to understand where the situation in Ukraine is leading. It leads to the collapse of this state. De facto, there apparently already does not exist a central authority — or it will disintegrate further. It will be necessary to think all together what to do about it. But for the time being we hear extremely harsh statements from the American side, less harsh statements in Europe, although the Europeans do not stint on threats. We are threatened with the "ice age".

Although, judging by the policy over the past year, Russia has the impression that this “ice age” has already arrived and, in fact, Russia has nothing to lose.
But, nevertheless, it is necessary to talk - and it is necessary to talk first of all with Germany, if she can pursue an independent policy. For me, it is clear that the old bunch of Russia - Poland - Ukraine did not work. Poland works on the interests of someone known to remember its great past that never existed.

VIEW: You mentioned the differences between the US and Germany. Can they be considered a manifestation of the refusal of the German Foreign Ministry to support the US call for the exclusion of Russia from G8?

S. K: Of course, there are disagreements between Washington and Berlin, and they will remain. But the problem is that Russia's reaction to the Ukrainian events is a shock for everyone, including the Germans. They are still trying to "swallow" these news, and it is difficult, if possible at all. I repeat, you need to understand that the main content of Western policy towards Russia over the past year and a half has been an unprecedented confrontation.

VIEW: What is the probability that differences between the Germans and the Americans over Russia will increase? Or will they soon "digest" this news and will again speak with one voice?

S. K.: The problem is that America does not speak with one voice. Now both within the European Union and within the United States there are very serious internal disagreements and contradictions. I think that a single camp in the current circumstances will not work out, although there will be attempts to create it.

VIEW: There are threats of the use of personal sanctions against those who made decisions about the possibility of using troops in Ukraine. How real are these threats?

S. K.: The decision on the use of troops was made by the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of Russia - President Putin. I do not know what kind of sanctions we can talk about.

VIEW: Can, for example, the EU refuse at least for a while from the Russian gas and oil? Does the US have the opportunity to drop the price of oil and gas, as it was at the end of 80?

S. K.: Rejection of energy consumption is impossible, and everyone understands this perfectly. The United States does not have the opportunity to drop oil prices, because the situation is fundamentally different. For this, as it was then, an agreement with Saudi Arabia will be needed, but I doubt that the kingdom will go for this artificial reduction - in 1980-ies the Saudis were seriously afraid that the Soviet Union would try to break through to the Indian Ocean, but now it is obvious that there is nothing like .

Perhaps we will see an attempt to slightly lower oil prices, which, however, will be clearly unprofitable for the initiators themselves - after all, China (as one of the main consumers of energy resources) and other direct competitors of the West will benefit from this decline.

But one should expect that there will be attempts at threats, bluffs. I think it will not come to serious economic sanctions, but it is clear that some symbolic steps will be taken. On the other hand, they will seek to put pressure on some individuals.

But in principle, I repeat, it’s too early to talk about what sanctions could be, since the situation unfolds, it’s possible that in two or three weeks or a month it may turn out to be completely different from what it looks like now. Especially in light of the progressive destabilization of Ukraine.

VIEW: Will there be attempts to achieve the condemnation of Russia through the UN?

S. K.: There will be attempts, but as we know, we have one blocking vote in the UN Security Council, and maybe two, if we take into account the position of China. In any case, the Security Council cannot act as an instrument of sanctions - this is the strength and weakness of this international body.

VIEW: In Kiev, talking about the possibility of closing the border with Russia. Is such a threat real, and if so, who will suffer the most from it - Ukrainians or Russians?

S. K.: Everyone will suffer, especially the residents of Ukraine itself. But I doubt the capacity of the Ukrainian elite as a whole. Of course, I don’t want the people of a fraternal country to collapse and catastrophe, in which he plunges thanks to the unscrupulous and antinational policy of this country's elite for at least the last decade.
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  1. Hs487
    Hs487 6 March 2014 18: 23
    +19
    But while we hear from the American side extremely harsh statements, less harsh statements - in Europe, although Europeans do not skimp on threats. We are being threatened with an “ice age”.
    Although, judging by the policy over the past year, Russia has the impression that this “ice age” has already arrived and, in fact, Russia has nothing to lose.

    Actually, it didn’t end, we just at certain periods of time harbored the illusions that the West was kind to us
    1. rozowik
      rozowik 6 March 2014 21: 12
      +7
      Which cannot be strange, because the West directly stated that it would not allow us to strengthen to the power of the USSR, and we saw all these "friendly relations"
      1. Polovec
        Polovec 6 March 2014 21: 25
        +8
        I did not like this venture with the announcement of the introduction of troops ...
        But it seems that now it’s too late to think about it. In any case, it is impossible to retreat. Now we just have to give up the slack and in the eyes of the whole world we will look like a rag on which everyone wipes his feet.
        On the other hand. If we so persistently defended and defended Syria, then is Ukraine really less dear to us?
        Severe times are coming, but we have little choice.
        And to believe in the West - do not respect yourself.
        In general, I believe that in Europe only with Germany and you can talk. Although of course the Americans are bending them now.
        We showed ourselves in Iraq, once again in Iraq, Libya.
        For a man who grew up in the USSR and served in the Soviet Army, I was just hurt from humiliation.
        In Syria, it seemed to me that we are regaining dignity.
        Putin must not cede Ukraine to this bloodthirsty, unprincipled, greedy Amer scum!
        1. baltika 3
          baltika 3 6 March 2014 21: 57
          +3
          Right, we will be next
          1. Penzyac
            Penzyac 6 March 2014 23: 31
            +3
            Ukraine is already, WE. And we must directly declare this to the West bluntly, the red line of our patience is crossed and there is no need for cowardly pacifism, like, if only there is no war. It is enough to spare Western vanity, China will support us, and we will support it; together we are invincible.
        2. witch
          witch 6 March 2014 22: 27
          +3
          Polovec
          I think the GDP itself understands this. If he backs off as a politician, he will be dead to the people. Well, I don’t exclude that the next step will be Russia. In the holey-back amerikashki with Ukrainians, the actions have already been worked out. So let’s give in with the Ukrainians the enemy is at home. and then how will he begin to live, you can observe in Syria and Yugoslavia.
          and all this is going to destroy the big powers so that no one could demand gold in exchange for theirs. and then rule, the green paper will not be crushable
    2. Stanislas
      Stanislas 6 March 2014 21: 16
      +6
      Quote: Hs487
      during certain periods of time, we had illusions that the west was kind to us
      It’s better to say that at certain times we tried to impose the illusions through the media that the West was kind to us.
      1. platitsyn70
        platitsyn70 6 March 2014 21: 39
        +4
        there was not even an illusion; the shameless policy of the United States will drive both the United States and the EU into the grave. A few more years of development of China and Russia will put a big cross on the United States.
      2. Salamander
        Salamander 6 March 2014 21: 45
        +8
        Well, in the USSR this has already happened - the rise of the country, a clash with Western interests, a hostile attitude. I wish that in Ukraine everything ended better than in Spain (with the civil war and fascist dictatorship). But Pasaran! Fascism will not pass!
      3. AVV
        AVV 6 March 2014 23: 00
        +5
        Quote: Stanislav
        Quote: Hs487
        during certain periods of time, we had illusions that the west was kind to us
        It’s better to say that at certain times we tried to impose the illusions through the media that the West was kind to us.

        This is all a bluff, the Anglo-Saxons need our wealth, and they do not need Russia as a state, therefore, even McCain came to Russia to the previous election campaign. To dissuade Vladimir Putin from being elected president, the Bolotnaya provocation was also organized, they felt that if he was the president, they would have big problems, and would sleep badly at night !!! In this one they are right, they won’t have a quiet life !!!
    3. sssla
      sssla 6 March 2014 22: 01
      +3
      Quote: Hs487
      , it’s just that at certain periods of time we had illusions that the West was kind to us

      Otozh during these periods it was necessary to obey reasonable people who talked about this "chill" And then everyone is so clever. Everyone is his own proFesor laughing
    4. jjj
      jjj 6 March 2014 22: 15
      +5
      So far, as we see, we can gain a foothold in the Crimea and Sevastopol. And then these are only assumptions. The rest of the east and south almost fell under Bandera. While lay down. Truly, people can rise only in the event of a spill of blood. And only in the event of a spill of blood will Russia intervene. Anyway, we can only wait
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 6 March 2014 22: 37
        +2
        The fact that a split has occurred between the USA and Germany is understandable. The trade turnover between Russia and Germany is 10 times greater than that of the United States and Russia, they have something to lose, in addition, investments in the Russian economy, in addition to gas. And America is overseas, and Germany is very close and they do not need a hotbed of tension.
        And sanctions are for ordinary people. Russia can respond with such sanctions that it will then have to be at war with us. China and I can bring down the dollar, and it’s very simple to use a different currency, ruble or yuan when paying for oil. Let me remind you that Russia is the second largest player in the oil market. It is clear that we will have to tightly follow the NASDAQ, DOE JONES, and the SNP500 will also fly the RTS, but there is nothing to be done about it, like in a war. So America will rub off, puff over the ocean there and prefer to forget as soon as possible, as was the case with Georgia, Syria, etc.
    5. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 7 March 2014 06: 12
      0
      Russia for the West in any form and with any political regime was the goal for expansion and hatred.
  2. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 6 March 2014 21: 01
    +5
    Please write in this thread about Donetsk. What is it right now ?!
    1. SHILO
      SHILO 6 March 2014 22: 26
      +7
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Please write in this thread about Donetsk. What is it right now ?!


      Panic and stupidity recourse

      Excerpts from POPULATION OF DONBASS (Pavel Gubarev)
      - Yes, he may already be alive.
      - THAT IS STILL UNKNOWN! TO TAKE HOSTAGES - CHANGE FOR GUBAREV - NEVER ELSE! TO BRAKE SBU AND SILOVIKOV - GRAB WEAPONS! IMMEDIATELY!
      - Block the city, entry - exit, otherwise they will take, the struggle is for the city!
      - YES THAT THERE GUBAREV - HE IS ALREADY A DEATH EVERYTHING - NEED TO START MILITARY ACTIONS IN THE CITY AND CHOOSE A NEW HQ - TIME TO DELIVER WEAPONS -! BEGIN TO GRAB THE ARMED ROOMS _ DUMA _ GO-EM, SBU and MAIN TELEVISION AND HOSPITALS!
      - then it will help them. Guys, write an open letter not to Putin but to Kadyrov. Believe me, he will spit on everything and send Chechen special forces for protection.
      - garbage, protect those who threw their cocktails and killed them, headed by the Ministry of Internal Affairs gay and child molester, and they ass lick Bendery this power
      - etc.

      https://vk.com/polkdonbassa
      1. mig29mks
        mig29mks 6 March 2014 22: 55
        +1
        that you lick an ass right! garbage they are
        , vigilant and dirty. Where the trough is there and they!
      2. Uncle
        Uncle 6 March 2014 22: 55
        0
        Quote: SHILO
        - Yes, he may already be alive.

        Some kind of kabzdets, were they all crazy there?
      3. ant1958
        ant1958 7 March 2014 01: 17
        0
        there are no cops
  3. Rus2012
    Rus2012 6 March 2014 21: 03
    +12
    The mess in Ukraine is the first sign of "tectonic shifts in global transformation." As a result, after a very short time - the world will change so much that it is being discussed - it will seem like a trifle ...
    The Anglo-Saxons, and first of all their leader on the front line - 3,14ndosia, will break off all their teeth and completely lose all their influence in this world. Other times are coming, truly "the end of this world" and another era - "a new heaven and a new earth." And the "Russian world" will rise as a phenomenon ...
    1. Mih
      Mih 6 March 2014 22: 11
      +2
      Agree
      Zavarukha in Ukraine is the first sign
    2. witch
      witch 6 March 2014 22: 29
      +3
      Rus2012
      would not jinx it
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 6 March 2014 22: 37
        +2
        Quote: warlock
        would not jinx it

        such things cannot be jinxed!
        You can only * get it ...

        GDP said it will go to the end.
        I want to believe and hope ...
        1. typhoon7
          typhoon7 7 March 2014 01: 11
          +1
          I agree, we simply have nowhere to retreat. They have already rushed to our home and are threatening us, which is good. Fights seem unavoidable.
  4. ZU-23
    ZU-23 6 March 2014 21: 06
    +4
    Here are the idiots, they took the steering wheel and they don’t know how to steer, as they say they bought the right, but they didn’t buy the ride. So what, where now will they steer against the people.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 6 March 2014 22: 29
      +1
      Quote: ZU-23
      So what, where now will they steer against the people.

      ..that will be. It looks like there will be a fierce civil war ...
      And 3,14ndosam is poorer, the more Slavic people are killed, it is more profitable for them: in the battle of the end, there will be less of us ...
  5. a52333
    a52333 6 March 2014 21: 11
    +8
    S.K .: Of course, there are disagreements between Washington and Berlin, and they will remain.
    I think that Germany has boiled over 70 years more than ours, let us set an example, they will pick it up! laughing
    1. Polovec
      Polovec 6 March 2014 21: 32
      +7
      In Germany, the entire economy, and therefore politics, is controlled by the United States. They are still under occupation.
      Quite recently, the press passed the info that for the first time in 30 years, the Americans increased their contingent of ground forces in Germany.
      More fun than all of Japan. American heroes used their cities of Jeroshima and Nagasaki as test sites. Okinawa is happy that the troops of these ghouls are standing there.
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 6 March 2014 22: 18
        +4
        So the majority of Poshoks, especially young people, believe that it was the USSR dropped atomic bombs on them ... you can’t imagine the CINEMA!
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 6 March 2014 22: 34
      +4
      Quote: a52333
      I think that Germany has boiled over 70 years more than ours, let us set an example, they will pick it up!

      ...Alas
      Germany is NOT SURE! They are still an occupied country. Their leadership is suppressed by the CHANCELLOR, who every newly elected chancellor goes to sign a foreign committee. Validity 99 years. The countdown goes from 1945year ...
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 7 March 2014 00: 18
        +2
        The more often they (Germans) remind about this, the greater will be their desire to free themselves from guardianship and the more problems the Colorado potato beetle will have in the future.
  6. parus2nik
    parus2nik 6 March 2014 21: 12
    +4
    In Kiev, they started talking about the possibility of closing the border with Russia. Is such a threat real, and if so, then who will suffer the most - Ukrainians or Russians?
    Well, yes, it’s the Russians who go to work in Ukraine, close, close ... Your bandits from the defense corps of the Nazi revolution will not roam around our border provinces ..
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 7 March 2014 00: 28
      +2
      But we won’t close the borders and even allow money transfers, but only through Russian banks, in the worst case, we will accept refugees, besides healthy adult men, let them go and free their country, we will help with training, weapons and ammunition, even volunteer reinforcements ( as in Spain in the 30s) we will give. Are there real Russian men in Ukraine, or not?
      1. ant1958
        ant1958 7 March 2014 01: 19
        +1
        close mosprivatbank
  7. uhu189
    uhu189 6 March 2014 21: 14
    +1
    And how did Karaganov speak, but just recently he was still singing completely different songs ... Did he really begin to understand a little?
    Quote: Rus2012
    The mess in Ukraine is the first sign of "tectonic shifts in global transformation." As a result, after a very short time - the world will change so much that it is being discussed - it will seem like a trifle ...

    This is what scares ... Are we ready for a change? You yourself know very well that first you need to change yourself before changing everything around. But there will indeed be shifts, you are right.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 6 March 2014 22: 45
      +2
      Quote: uhu189
      Are we ready for change? You yourself know very well that first you need to change yourself before changing everything around.

      ... there are enlightened people! Take a look around.
      And where are three Russians (or rather Russians) - there is Russia!
      1. uhu189
        uhu189 6 March 2014 22: 56
        +1
        You know, at one time I asked V.A. Efimov - how much, in his opinion, should be the number of people who know and accept BER in order for her ideas to begin to really affect the life of society. He answered me that he estimated at least 3 percent. Are there at present these 3 percent? I would like to believe that yes. Otherwise it will be tight ...
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 6 March 2014 23: 12
          +2
          Quote: uhu189
          He answered me that he estimated at least 3 percent.

          People living in the Russian expanse have a special threefold thinking. Therefore, they perceive BER ideas at the subconscious level ...
          Now, after Sochi2014 and the events in Ukraine, they say Russian Spirit - woke up!
          Yes, it is felt in everything - the victory of the Olympians, "polite people", an unprecedented unity of elites and peoples in one impulse ...
          1. uhu189
            uhu189 6 March 2014 23: 18
            +1
            I agree, this is felt. The Olympics was a landmark, it seems she was prepared for this. But against us they began to awaken something that we had not seen before. No less powerful and ancient egregors. It is clear that we will win anyway, I have no doubt about that, but at what cost? Our willingness is inversely proportional to the price that we will have to pay for it ...
        2. Penzyac
          Penzyac 7 March 2014 00: 36
          0
          Well, these 3 percent support banderlogs, most of the others, fortunately, allow us to hope for the best, although many are fooled.
          1. uhu189
            uhu189 7 March 2014 07: 23
            +1
            I'm afraid you did not understand what I was talking about. I assure you that those who belong to these 3 percent are real patriots of their country and there are no banderlogs and their supporters among them.
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 7 March 2014 00: 29
      0
      “Being determines consciousness,” any student knows.
      1. uhu189
        uhu189 7 March 2014 07: 24
        0
        I'm not a fan of Marx, and experience shows that he was wrong
  8. Bakht
    Bakht 6 March 2014 21: 16
    +4
    "The amount of intelligence on the planet is a constant value. The population is growing."

    A month ago, I wrote that the geopolitical project Ukraine was created by Russia. And it can exist only with the support of Russia. If Bandera refuse to support Russia, then Ukraine in its current form is not a tenant. The collapse of the country is simply inevitable.
    1. Moon bird
      Moon bird 6 March 2014 22: 20
      +1
      the geopolitical project "Ukraine" was created by the Habsburgs, it is an exclusively German project.
    2. ant1958
      ant1958 7 March 2014 01: 21
      0
      how to deal with these 3.14dorasami
  9. Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol 6 March 2014 21: 19
    +6
    It seems to me that "our Western partners" were not ready for such a tough Russian response to the series of actions that Russia regarded as a provocation.
    You don’t think it is. The "steering convoys" on the other side of the puddle, well, did not expect that they would again be smashed on the second cheekbone after Syria.
    The problem is that America does not speak with one voice. Now both within the European Union and within the United States there are very serious internal disagreements and contradictions. I think that in the current circumstances it will not be possible to put together a single camp, although attempts will be made to create one.

    The confusion and vacillation in the elites and the ruling structures is already noticeable to the "blind" ... How not to remember Comrade Lenin ... The upper classes cannot (the USA), and the lower classes do not want (the EU) ...
    Good luck to you "doves of peace" in "mutual love".
    Refusal from the consumption of energy is impossible, and all are well aware of this. The United States does not have the opportunity to drop oil prices, since the situation is fundamentally different. For this, as then, an agreement with Saudi Arabia will be required, but I doubt that the kingdom will go for this artificial decline - in the 1980 years the Saudis were seriously afraid that the Soviet Union would try to break through to the Indian Ocean, but now it’s obvious that there is nothing like it .
    This number will definitely not work ... China, India, and so interfering Qatar and Iran. Yes, and Iraq is "tired" of "patronage" ... Not those times, gentlemen ... Farewell to the "oil weapon"!
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 6 March 2014 22: 49
      +1
      Quote: Oleg Sobol
      The problem is that America does not speak with one voice. Now both within the European Union and within the United States there are very serious internal disagreements and contradictions.


      I will say more, both there and there are mutually exclusive teams, the second part of which works for us. The main thing is that at the forefront of the battle - again we ...
  10. Capyar 48315
    Capyar 48315 6 March 2014 21: 20
    +6
    all these sanctions are nothing for us compared to the loss of Ukraine. The European Union, which consumes our gas, doesn’t come out very sharply anymore, but if the beginning of November and not March were in the yard, trynds would be even a tone lower. Yes, and the United States will butt for a relatively short time - they have many problems in other regions that are not resolved without the Russian Federation (DPRK Iran Syria) Yes, and without air traffic through Ulyanovsk, evacuation from Afghanistan will be expensive ... In short - you want sanctions - I have them !! !
  11. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 6 March 2014 21: 21
    +3
    But the idiots in the West understand that it’s impossible to take and return everything back if Russia suddenly takes and leaves the Crimea punitive troops will immediately pour in and any image of Russia will be undermined forever, it’s not easy to wipe our feet about us, Russia simply you’ll disappear as a subject of international law. You look at the same slogans of the West, which repeat like a mantra over and over again, and I begin to understand that these people are truly crazy, they are already programmed robots and they can no longer be saved.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 6 March 2014 22: 51
      +1
      Quote: Standard Oil
      you can’t take it and bring it back if Russia suddenly takes and leaves Crimea


      it will be a complete surrender ...
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 7 March 2014 00: 41
        0
        Fortunately, Putin is not Yanukovych.
  12. Dikson
    Dikson 6 March 2014 21: 23
    +3
    No, after all, it was not in vain that Glazyev "let slip" about the possible abandonment of the dollar in interstate transactions ... If China does not betray us, America will simply get a kirdyk, and Obamka will indeed become the last president of this country .. The question is that China is Russia will demand for such a service ... But on the whole, Karaganov is right - the planet is really preparing to swap the poles along the way ...
    1. uhu189
      uhu189 6 March 2014 21: 52
      +2
      If everything had been so simple, then they would have refused the dollar, for a long time. Failure is the last resort, the most radical of all possible peaceful means in our arsenal and this will inevitably lead to war. And I'm afraid China will not support us, it cannot support such measures - it will bring down its own economy faster than it will in the USA. I'm afraid such an action will bring down the dollar first, then the United States, and then the whole world ... I just really would like you to understand that.
      1. Moon bird
        Moon bird 6 March 2014 22: 26
        +1
        the dollar is just an instrument of colonial control of the world and Russia, incl.
        It’s no secret that we do not even exchange real resources for beads, but for virtual digital signs with zeros.
        to abandon the status of a colony, you must first at least "like the constitution" slightly change and, for example, introduce priorities nat. legislation ......
        who will refuse the dollar? Central Bank with the head controlled by the IMF?
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 6 March 2014 22: 53
        +2
        Quote: uhu189
        I'm afraid China will not support us, it cannot support such measures - it will bring down its own economy faster than it will in the USA.


        China has nowhere to go but to support us with all its might. Otherwise, after us, they will be debased ... and not being shy about their means.
      3. Penzyac
        Penzyac 7 March 2014 00: 48
        0
        China is gradually reducing dollar reserves ...
        He is storing gold, oil and metals ...
    2. Mih
      Mih 6 March 2014 22: 09
      +2
      Your thinking is very worthy ++++.
    3. Penzyac
      Penzyac 7 March 2014 00: 44
      0
      China will require at least not to stop them from sorting out with Taiwan and Japan, and supply of resources, of course. This, I think, is quite reasonable and doable.
  13. novobranets
    novobranets 6 March 2014 21: 24
    +4
    Maidanutye seized power, but do not know what to do with it. They resemble a herd of monkeys who robbed a library. Masks-shows are already beginning to annoy everyone, the Maidan is no longer needed, there is no government in the proper form, there is no money, the game has become not interesting. It is impossible to create any kind of functioning administrative structure without finances. Soon, the people, dissatisfied with the lack of salaries and pensions, will begin to grumble. The United States and the European Union tactfully sent them to the bathhouse. Like "your last letter, in which you asked for money, we did not receive." What will they do next, sit with a cap on the porch? request
    1. Moon bird
      Moon bird 6 March 2014 22: 35
      +1
      there is no need to reassure ourselves that the "maydanutye" do not know or understand anything.
      those who launched maydanutykh know everything, understand everything, and do everything according to a clear plan.
      then who did not have time - he was late. Crimea managed, Donetsk and Kharkov - no. Unfortunately, those who oppose the northern fluffy will come there ...
      Maidan will be sent to the TV picture, but in reality they will put Amer mercenaries in muzzles into tanks and machine guns, they will have a hefty rich bill - they will be thrown from the same Syria
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 7 March 2014 01: 04
        0
        Well, the Americans have already made a reserve of coffins for the Orlington cemetery, but it’s unlikely that they will send their mercenaries home, the places on Ukrainian graveyards are cheaper. However, I do not envy those who dare to shoot people, the Pskov paratroopers have such a short conversation, mercenaries can not be taken prisoner. Putin has permission to use troops to protect the population.
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 7 March 2014 00: 54
      0
      They already sell their homeland: - to whom the pipe, - to plants, - to black soil.
  14. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 6 March 2014 21: 24
    +4
    H. moderators. Create a topic in Donetsk and Gubarev .. please. I am writing with phone. uncomfortable.
    1. zzz
      zzz 6 March 2014 21: 27
      +9
      LYUDMILA SOROKINA (Butler)
      Urgently! Maximum repost. The wife of Pavel Gubarev Katya calls for help. This is Catherine, the wife of Pavel Gubarev. Pavel needs you on SCHORSA 62! 19:00! SBU building! Today at 22:00 Gubareva will be transported by plane to Kiev !!! URGENTLY BLOCK THE AIRPORT. Donetsk, get up! Maximum repost !! MODERATORS, LEAVE THE APPEAL UP, DO NOT REMOVE,
    2. zzz
      zzz 6 March 2014 21: 27
      0
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      H. moderators. Create a topic in Donetsk and Gubarev .. please. I am writing with phone. uncomfortable.
    3. zzz
      zzz 6 March 2014 21: 28
      0
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      H. moderators. Create a topic in Donetsk and Gubarev .. please. I am writing with phone. uncomfortable.
    4. Duke
      Duke 6 March 2014 22: 15
      +2
      Your trouble begins.
      KIEV, 6 March - RIA Novosti. The Ukrainian government intends to cut pensions by 50% in March as part of optimizing budget expenditures, the Kommersant-Ukraine newspaper writes on Thursday, referring to the relevant draft of the Ministry of Finance of the country, available to the newspaper.
      From the document it follows that serious cost reductions can affect mainly the social sphere. The new Ukrainian authorities have repeatedly stated the difficult economic situation in the country. In particular, the Prime Minister of the interim government Arseniy Yatsenyuk said earlier that the state treasury is empty and government spending is not paid for several weeks.
  15. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 6 March 2014 21: 29
    +4
    The ice age has come a very long time ago.
    Not everyone remembers anymore, but the Battle of the Ice with the Western Crusaders.
    Since then, Westerners have been constantly fighting with General Moroz in the winter.
    So it was in two World War II.

    And if they did not grow wiser, the next now ice war will end again with frostbitten frostbite.
  16. Oksana
    Oksana 6 March 2014 21: 30
    +4
    Against the backdrop of all the US and NATO statements about breaking all military contacts with Russia, I had a question:

    How are they going to establish supply for the contingent in Afghanistan if Russia closes the corridor through its territory?

    Only the high mountain passes of Pakistan remain, and the spirits make fun of burning columns with cargo.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 6 March 2014 21: 42
      +5
      Pakistan has accumulated many interesting questions for the Yankees ...
    2. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 6 March 2014 21: 49
      +2
      why are you with them teleportators, they will teleport their troops through the territory of Russia. The plan for the withdrawal of troops through the territory of Uzbekistan has failed, and now Manas is destined to fly from Manas air base, it is not known how.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 7 March 2014 01: 14
        0
        Exactly, they will be stoned with opium and teleported ... to full nirvana.
    3. mig29mks
      mig29mks 6 March 2014 23: 03
      0
      like they carry nuclear fuel from us, what will they drown? freaks))))))))
    4. Semurg
      Semurg 7 March 2014 00: 13
      0
      Quote: Oksana
      Against the backdrop of all the US and NATO statements about breaking all military contacts with Russia, I had a question:

      How are they going to establish supply for the contingent in Afghanistan if Russia closes the corridor through its territory?

      Only the high mountain passes of Pakistan remain, and the spirits make fun of burning columns with cargo.

      Georgia-Azerbaijan-Kazakhstan-Uzbekistan-Afghanistan
  17. v53993
    v53993 6 March 2014 21: 31
    +2
    Secretary of State Kerry threatened Russia with economic isolation, and also said that the United States and several other countries are “ready to completely isolate Russia” in the international arena, expelling them from the G8.

    Let them build a fence about ten meters high around us at their own expense. We will not be lost, because Russia as a planet on which there is everything for life.
  18. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 6 March 2014 21: 37
    +1
    The campaign of Pavel Gubarev will be interrogated personally by Yarosh ...
    1. zzz
      zzz 6 March 2014 21: 40
      +1
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      The campaign of Pavel Gubarev will be interrogated personally by Yarosh ...


      Yes, he’s just free, mock enough!
  19. maxcor1974
    maxcor1974 6 March 2014 21: 38
    +4
    The collapse of Ukraine is almost a foregone conclusion. The oligarchs will cut IMF loans and perish in foggy Albion, unless of course they manage to leave. The population of the data given to them in feeding the regions will last without salaries for about six months, and then even those who shouted for a single and indivisible take to the streets. So by October-November you can expect the emergence of a new government in Ukraine. History repeats itself ...
  20. Black
    Black 6 March 2014 21: 48
    +4
    I look at the faces of the "police" nationality in Donetsk .... active, decisive ...
    Feel the power behind them.
    I have no words.....
    1. zzz
      zzz 6 March 2014 21: 50
      +3
      Quote: Chen
      I look at the faces of the "police" nationality in Donetsk .... active, decisive ...
      Feel the power behind them.
      I have no words.....


      They brought from Kiev! For everything paid, the oligarchs do not spare money.
  21. stayer
    stayer 6 March 2014 21: 52
    +2
    As they wrote in the next branch. The United States and the EU were pushing, trying to figure out what kind of sanctions to impose. But as it turned out, all that they gave Russia, either it doesn’t need nafig, or it itself will ask you to do it. For example, to block the accounts of officials abroad or be asked to be kicked out of the WTO.
  22. Oksana
    Oksana 6 March 2014 21: 53
    0
    Quote: platitsyn70
    why are you with them teleportators, they will teleport their troops through the territory of Russia. The plan for the withdrawal of troops through the territory of Uzbekistan has failed, and now Manas is destined to fly from Manas air base, it is not known how.

    laughing
  23. psychologist
    psychologist 6 March 2014 21: 54
    +5
    Now we see that our Western colleagues are in some confusion. The Russian reaction causes a rash there, frankly.
    well done!! said bluntly !! I think they did not only rush it caused, but cramps and colic !! laughing
  24. Revolver
    Revolver 6 March 2014 21: 56
    +4
    The ice age may well come in Ukraine if they block the border, and with it the pipe. Ukraine has just left its forests around Chernobyl, so you can’t count on wood heating. Well, maybe if all the trees in the parks and on the streets are cut down, enough for a year or two, and then?
    Oh yes, Ukraine has its own coal. But this is bad luck - he is more and more in the Donbass, and Donetsk miners have nothing to do with banderlogs and do not want to have. So if miners go on strike, banderlogs will not climb into the mine. And even if they climb, coal is not a baseball club to wave on the glass; there is something to be learned.
  25. targitai
    targitai 6 March 2014 21: 58
    0
    Did they take Dak Gubarev or not? And then controversial infa about him. About 3 hours ago in Russia 24 said that everything was fine with him. There was even an interview with him.
    1. techmesh
      techmesh 6 March 2014 22: 14
      0
      For Russia1 showed, the SBU took.
  26. Mih
    Mih 6 March 2014 22: 03
    +1
    The decision on the use of troops was made by the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of Russia - President Putin. I do not know what kind of sanctions can be discussed.

    War is war. And Euros ... you need to understand that it will be fought with tactical nuclear weapons at the beginning of the war. Is Europe a fat woman ready for this? I think that sausage burghers are not ready for this. And the French, who use frogs, are starving, poor. Yankees - homosexual and black, will sit, as always, across the ocean. But they, ki, do not understand that in this situation, and will come full.
    Are these hu..plets ready for this? I think that they do not understand, since no one wants to die, but to have to.
  27. Mih
    Mih 6 March 2014 22: 17
    0
    Quote: novobranets
    Maidanutye seized power, but do not know what to do with it.

    The famous question of the revolutionaries. Chernyshevsky, perhaps also x ...
  28. I. Timofeev
    I. Timofeev 6 March 2014 22: 22
    0
    "Just right at a press conference, the employees of the SBU of Ukraine arrested the People's Governor of Donbass Pavel Gubarev !!"

    http://anna-news.info/node/13910
  29. Stinger
    Stinger 6 March 2014 22: 24
    0
    Our "colleagues" will be even more dumbfounded if we introduce a ban on the sale of German cars in our country, replacing them with Japanese ones. About 40% of the German car industry works for Russia.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 6 March 2014 22: 39
      +1
      Quote: Stinger
      About 40% of the German automobile industry works for Russia.

      The same Siemens, 45% is tied to the Russian Federation. According to German economists, sanctions will reduce 300.000 workers, billions in cash.
  30. ssf2257
    ssf2257 6 March 2014 22: 26
    +1
    Ice Age ????? It will pass, and come spring-century of spring. For centuries, Slavs are trying to crush, enslave, destroy ... But according to the law of nature, after winter, spring wakes up everything that has subsided, the Russian bear wakes up and looks out of the den to see the sun around to see different mongrels yapping at all voices with foam in the grin. Will bark once and only the tails will flash. Breaking legs scratch this horde, forgetting why they gathered in the mongrel and for what .............
    SPRING CAME.............
  31. spymaster
    spymaster 6 March 2014 22: 29
    +2
    I always knew that nothing is done just like that - everything has its own idea, and if it is its goal, predicting, ahead of and insuring future events, then its genius begins to amaze.
    2012 year - 1.) "Why does Russia need Mistrals?" - mastering new technologies and ... practically no more big arguments ... 2.) "Why such a specific attitude towards Germany on the gas market? - Russia and Germany establish strong economic relations and ... practically no more major arguments .. . why play in foreign financial markets (London City) ... here I don't understand much, but ...
    2014 year - France refrains from imposing sanctions against Russia because of major military-industrial cooperation. Germany refrains from imposing sanctions against Russia because of ... the gas market. The UK refrains from imposing sanctions against Russia, because it believes that the termination of the participation of Russian banks at the London City site will bring considerable losses to the economy of Great Britain itself.
    I was always sure that everything was not just like that. Global politics considers it not to be five years old, or even decades. Maybe this advantage is temporary, but time plays into our hands ... and then, temporary often turns into permanent, and sometimes it just becomes enough to achieve the goal.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 7 March 2014 00: 24
      0
      In fact of the matter! Europe is tied to Russia. Yes, and behind the puddle, the Boeing has already howled, having heard about the sanctions, and not only he alone .. Investment is not only money, it is also a control lever ...
  32. konvalval
    konvalval 6 March 2014 22: 40
    +2
    Yes, in the camp of the adversary, panic. The stock of scarecrows apparently ran out. They no longer know what else to freeze. And GDP is calm like a bear in a den. It's not spring yet. And the Paralympic Games, however, are on the nose.
  33. techmesh
    techmesh 6 March 2014 22: 49
    0
    Judging by the article we have with the West "Nuclear Winter" and not "Ice Age". As far as I know myself, we have never had and never will have other relationships with them, only business. If earlier they cut a window to Europe in order to educate themselves, now there is nothing in common with either religion or culture. Europe is full of sodomy, pedophilia, ostia. America is eternal war and chaos. Solve the issue with (collapsed) Ukraine and change priorities, a sea of ​​prospects - Asia, Africa, East, South America.
  34. Moon bird
    Moon bird 6 March 2014 22: 55
    +2
    that's what is characteristic. the facts say one thing - they kill Russians on the outskirts because they are Russians.
    and where are our notebook mothers, their defenders of the Russian people — the mighty army of Russian nationalists?
    where is Demushkin’s roll, where is Potkin, where is Thor? where are all these fucking cleaver and shults who are for the Russian people?
    why are there no convoys of skinhead volunteers to protect Russians from Bandera with arms in their hands in Donetsk?
    why even Kadyrov is in the skullcap, but they are not?
    is it like this?
  35. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 6 March 2014 23: 01
    0
    Interview, as they say: "Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye" or "do not wake the sleeping dog"!
  36. operator35
    operator35 6 March 2014 23: 07
    +1
    Vladimir Vladimirovich is beautiful - calm as a boa constrictor, bends his line, gives out instructions, is silent ...
    right now I saw the repo - already in Sochi checks everything! piece of iron just !!!
  37. Inok10
    Inok10 6 March 2014 23: 08
    +6
    personal opinion, purely personal .. but I think the main events of the so-called "ice age" will unfold just about the Arctic .. Ukraine is, of course, our "sore throat" which has been skillfully stepped on and chosen the time .. the so-called "reconnaissance by force" .. what we will answer, how we will behave, then they will build their own strategy and tactics .. I feel sorry for Gubarev, but it seems like Yarosh got to Ramzan in “Krovniki” for “unworthy words”, Chechens don’t throw words into the wind .. he was born in Kiev , a lot of good children with Syrets, Children's railway "Pionerskaya", "Yablonka", the park "XX Congress" (well, then it was like that) :) :) .. until Ukraine itself raises the Bandera people on a pitchfork, our help is "dead poultice "...
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 7 March 2014 00: 30
      0
      Yes, in the Arctic, Canada will certainly remember Ukraine Ukraine ... And the north is almost all bare.
      Earlier, radar battalions stood around the islands, but now only abandoned equipment is rusting, and objects with broken windows look at the ocean ..
  38. Eklmn
    Eklmn 7 March 2014 00: 54
    0
    Quote: operator35
    Vladimir Vladimirovich is beautiful - calm as a boa constrictor, bends his line, gives out instructions, is silent ...
    right now I saw the repo - already in Sochi checks everything! piece of iron just !!!
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 7 March 2014 01: 01
      0
      Strong comment !!! drinks
    2. ant1958
      ant1958 7 March 2014 01: 29
      0
      Is it about Ukrainians?
  39. not main
    not main 7 March 2014 01: 01
    0
    Quote: Inok10
    ... until Ukraine itself raises the Banderaites, our help to the "dead poultice".

    This is the answer to the future of Ukraine and our actions! It is impossible to cure a patient if he himself does not want it!
  40. russkijbelarus
    russkijbelarus 7 March 2014 01: 20
    0
    I think they don't want to completely destroy the Russian Federation, tk. "uncontrollable chaos" must still be managed. And in, God forbid, a devastated nuclear country, there will be "underdogs" who will bypass the "protection from the fool" and will still fire in some of the states ... Therefore, they will try to make Mother Russia unbearable to the maximum, but not go a certain feature ... Although, Ukraine-Enta already has that very feature: the last frontier ...............
  41. russkijbelarus
    russkijbelarus 7 March 2014 01: 24
    0
    I think they don't want to completely destroy the Russian Federation, tk. "uncontrollable chaos" must still be managed. And in, God forbid, a devastated nuclear country, there will be "underdogs" who will bypass the "protection from the fool" and will still fire in some of the states ... Therefore, they will try to make Mother Russia unbearable to the maximum, but not go a certain feature ... Although, Ukraine-Enta already has that very feature: the last frontier ...............
    Comrade Stalin, Peter the Great, Alexander Nevsky ... - look what the adversaries do with OUR land ...
  42. Known who
    Known who 7 March 2014 03: 59
    0
    By and large, the West does not care about Ukraine and its people, for them the main thing is to annoy Russia and this they will achieve by all possible, including illegal means.
  43. domiemon
    domiemon 7 March 2014 06: 15
    0
    So far, no one in the West is talking about the military scenario and everyone is trying to avoid this topic. Although events are developing very rapidly and nothing can be ruled out. Yesterday in The New York Times and Forbes analysts were talking with might and main about the possibility of undermining the economic potential of Russia and weakening its economy by exporting shale gas to Europe (I have never read more nonsense). Similar to what happened in the 80s when Saudi Arabia collapsed in oil prices. Here is the strategy voiced by US Under Secretary of State Bill Burns:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/07/us-ukraine-crisis-containment-idUSBREA
    2600320140307
    In general, all the same good old "containment strategy". The world is becoming bipolar, and with the growing influence of China, even tripolar. But everything does not end in Crimea. This is only the first act. The second act of the Marlezon ballet will take place either in the Arctic or in East Asia, where the PRC sleeps and sees, as it were, seize the Senkaku Islands (Duyaydao) and Taiwan
  44. PValery53
    PValery53 7 March 2014 06: 33
    +1
    Quote: rozowik
    the West directly stated that it would not allow us to strengthen to the power of the USSR

    It would look anecdotal if Russia asked the West for "permission" whether it could "strengthen" itself. "She will not allow" - And this Europe is hunting for Russia to "chkhala" ?!
  45. dmb
    dmb 7 March 2014 08: 19
    0
    "If the Jews began to join the Cossacks, then this is a worthwhile business." If we compare what Karaganov said and wrote before this article even with Navalny, then the latter will look like a Stalinist and a Putinist at the same time.