Israeli Navy stopped another arms smuggling attempt by Iran

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Israeli Navy stopped another arms smuggling attempt by Iran


Information that at the dawn of 5 March, the Israeli Navy S-13 special forces intercepted the Iranian ship is allowed for publication. Klos c following the flag of Panama in the waters of the Red Sea.

The reason for the operation was the intelligence of the planned delivery attempt weapons Iran, into the hands of the terrorist organizations Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

According to preliminary data, M-302 missiles manufactured by Syria were found on board the ship. The missiles were hidden in containers with a cement load bearing the Iranian label. The crew members of the 17 people had no idea about the hidden cargo and were apparently used blindly. Presently Klos c convoy guarded by warships and with the full assistance of the crew, to an Israeli military port located in Eilat for a full-scale search and seizure of smuggled weapons. The arrival of the ship is expected on Saturday evening.



Israeli intelligence tracked the movement of cargo throughout the journey, despite Iran’s attempt to confuse the trail. In the first section of the route, the missiles were transferred by a transport plane from Damascus to Iran, then the missiles were loaded on board Klos c under the guise of a load of cement. After sailing, the ship proceeded to the Iraqi port of Umm-Qasr, and only then headed towards Sudan. Sudan is a passport for smuggling weapons into the Gaza Strip, which is delivered by Bedouin clans of smugglers through Egypt to tunnels in the border town of Rafah on the Sinai Peninsula.



The Syria M-302 rockets are a copy of the Chinese WS-2 rocket, and have a launch range of 200 km.
This missile can have GPS / GLONASS GPS and carry a chemical or biological warhead.

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  1. 111 soldier
    +4
    5 March 2014 19: 30
    not tired of them still there muddy the water !! ?? just like a cartoon wait! the result of the series is always the same, only the scenario is different!
    1. Tumbleweed
      +17
      5 March 2014 19: 31
      missiles produced by Syria, it sounds menacing ... Without going into details, each state must be able to protect itself and the Israeli special services do not eat their bread for nothing.
      Pay attention to the smuggling route ... It's like going from Kolomna to Moscow via St. Petersburg ... Everything is too confused, but the fact that it was constantly monitored all the way indicates the introduction winked
      1. +12
        5 March 2014 20: 01
        Pay attention to the smuggling route ... It's like going from Kolomna to Moscow via St. Petersburg ... Everything is too confused, but the fact that it was constantly monitored all the way indicates the introduction

        The calculation was obvious that when these missiles would fall into Gaza, it is already impossible to detect the Iranian trace. Anyone can take weapons from Syria.
        And do not dig.
        1. Tumbleweed
          +2
          5 March 2014 20: 06
          Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
          The calculation was obvious that when these missiles would fall into Gaza, it is already impossible to detect the Iranian trace

          Therefore, they hid
          The missiles were hidden in containers with an Iranian-marked cement cargo.

          wassat
          1. +6
            5 March 2014 20: 12
            Therefore, they hid
            The missiles were hidden in containers with an Iranian-marked cement cargo.

            I hope there is no need to explain that no one was going to drag the bags of cement with the words "Made in Iran" to Gaza through underground tunnels?
            1. Tumbleweed
              +4
              5 March 2014 20: 34
              Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
              I hope there is no need to explain that no one was going to drag the bags of cement with the words "Made in Iran" to Gaza through underground tunnels?

              Well, if it did not work out in the sea and in Sudan it would have fallen off, then they would have been "covered" with sacks in Gaza ... After all, if the gun is hanging on the wall ... (c)

              Anecdote about:
              A tourist meets the mountains in the mountains:
              E. Who are you?
              T. (shaking) Ttturristt
              E. This is me a tourist, and you are a "tourist breakfast" laughing
              1. -1
                6 March 2014 01: 47
                Quote: rolling the field
                Well, if it did not work out in the sea and in Sudan it would have fallen off, then they would have been "covered" with sacks in Gaza ... After all, if the gun is hanging on the wall ... (c)


                Provocation. Someone needs a reason for some action. So they knit Syria, Iran and Gaza in a heap. If the militants need them, they will quickly carry them all directly, they will not ask anyone.
                1. dsp68rus
                  0
                  6 March 2014 12: 38
                  Quote: Geisenberg
                  Quote: rolling the field
                  Well, if it did not work out in the sea and in Sudan it would have fallen off, then they would have been "covered" with sacks in Gaza ... After all, if the gun is hanging on the wall ... (c)


                  Provocation. Someone needs a reason for some action. So they knit Syria, Iran and Gaza in a heap. If the militants need them, they will quickly carry them all directly, they will not ask anyone.


                  Seem to be ...
            2. +2
              5 March 2014 22: 30
              lol it’s not clear what they hoped for. Ok not bricks
            3. -1
              6 March 2014 01: 45
              Quote: Tourist Breakfast
              Therefore, they hid
              The missiles were hidden in containers with an Iranian-marked cement cargo.

              I hope there is no need to explain that no one was going to drag the bags of cement with the words "Made in Iran" to Gaza through underground tunnels?


              I hope there is no need to explain that it’s easier to cast kasama in gold on the spot, in Gaza than to transport them through three countries so that then you can beat a goat into a crack ...
        2. postman
          +2
          5 March 2014 23: 14
          Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
          Syria anyone can take away weapons.

          THEN WHAT SENSE in such a route?
          VALLEY !!
          1. Why use the IRAN port of shipment ??? (there everything is under total control, that to Iran, that from Iran)
          and! According to available information, 2007-2008's. WS-2 MLRS was sold to the Sudanese Armed Forces.
          Why such a "route"
          2.
          Quote: Original source y-net, Haaretz
          M-302 missiles manufactured in Syria They are a copy of the Chinese WS-2 missile, and have a launch range of 200 km.

          ??
          2.1 pictured rocket MLRS
          2.2 WS-2 same rocket MLRS (THE MOST FAREST IN THE WORLD)

          2.3 Missile control system: ANN with correction according to the GNSS receiver
          What PU are the Palestinians going to bullet with? How to enter the central control and correction?
          2.4. such missiles M-302 is not in service with Syria, and does not produce, and SSRC
          did not develop.
          They were not produced by the “Institute 4000 ″,“ Branch 340 ″, “Branch 350 ″ and“ Branch 702 ″, “Project 794 ″.
          Within the framework of "projects" are produced improved Khaibar-1 missiles with a range of up to 100 kilometers, a diameter of 302 mm and Tishrin-600 (M-600) missiles.


          Syria. In 1973, the Armed Forces of the SAR received the Soviet tactical missiles "Luna-M". In 1974, the USSR supplied Syria with OTR R-17e (200 missiles), and in 1983, tactical missile systems "Tochka" were received from the Soviet Union. In 1992, according to the foreign press, the SAR acquired from the DPRK an OTR of the Scud-S type with a range of up to 600 km. In August 1992, the Syrians made experimental launches of North Korean missiles. It was reported that part of the OTR "Scud-S" may have warheads equipped with OV.


          At present, the SAR ground forces are armed with 26 OTR R-17e and Skad-S launchers, 18 Luna-M launchers, 18 Tochka launchers. The stock of missiles is: R-17e - 190, "Scud-S" - 50-80, "Luna-M" - 90, "Tochka" -40. The ground forces have 4 missile brigades (OTR R-17e, OTR type "Scud", TR "Luna-M" and TR "Tochka"). Missile brigades include three missile divisions and a technical division. A missile test site is located in the area 15 km south-east of the city of Hama.
          Syrian specialists develop with foreign help solid rocket engine.
          3. HERE FOR WHOM can I shoot from Gaza with these MLRS?
          In Egypt? in Jordan? in Turkey?
          1. +4
            5 March 2014 23: 18
            They use them to shell Israeli residential areas. During the latest conflict, missiles fell in the Jerusalem and Tel Aviv area.
            1. +4
              5 March 2014 23: 23
              They use them to shell Israeli residential areas. During the latest conflict, missiles fell in the Jerusalem and Tel Aviv area.

              These missiles were also used by Hezbollah in 2006:
              1. dsp68rus
                0
                6 March 2014 12: 43
                Quote: Tourist Breakfast
                They use them to shell Israeli residential areas. During the latest conflict, missiles fell in the Jerusalem and Tel Aviv area.

                These missiles were also used by Hezbollah in 2006:


                Too lazy to look now, but I remember there is a photo where Israeli children sign, apparently for memory, shells and bombs, which they then shoot at Hezbollah.
            2. postman
              0
              6 March 2014 02: 14
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              They use them to shell Israeli residential areas.


              Even on the roads (! Along the curves)) from Beirut to Tel Aviv = 292 km
              Such a range is not needed for shelling ...
              / with surprise Uzan: Gaza-city twin Tel Aviv
              1. 0
                6 March 2014 11: 54
                Even on the roads (! Along the curves)) from Beirut to Tel Aviv = 292 km
                Such a range is not needed for shelling ..
                .
                200 km of these missiles range. Just half of Israel in the zone of fire. What's wrong?
                1. dsp68rus
                  0
                  6 March 2014 12: 43
                  Quote: Tourist Breakfast
                  Even on the roads (! Along the curves)) from Beirut to Tel Aviv = 292 km
                  Such a range is not needed for shelling ..
                  .
                  200 km of these missiles range. Just half of Israel in the zone of fire. What's wrong?


                  And what is the combat radius of the F-16?
                2. postman
                  0
                  6 March 2014 12: 59
                  Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                  200 km of these missiles range.

                  Whatever they (missiles) flew at, such a range requires LOT of what (PU, TsU, correction) - to them (this is not available to the Palestinians).
                  BLOCKED by makeshift and homemade
                  Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                  Just half of Israel in the zone of fire

                  Shell (gender of Israel)?
                  Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                  What's wrong?

                  1.
                  +
                  Quote: Postallion
                  According to available information, 2007-2008's. WS-2 MLRS was sold to the Sudanese Armed Forces.

                  + 2 + 3 I wrote above. ANSWER (logical NO)
                  1. +3
                    6 March 2014 13: 12
                    Quote: Postman
                    Whatever they (missiles) flew at, such a range requires LOT of what (PU, TsU, correction) - to them (this is not available to the Palestinians).

                    What you hit then you need all of the above, but this does not affect the range. By the way, terrorists hit city-sized squares.

                    Quote: Postman
                    Shell (gender of Israel)?

                    Yeah, from Metula to Hadera in the north and from Eilat to Rishin Lezion from the south to the center.
                  2. +2
                    6 March 2014 15: 45
                    BLOCKED by makeshift and homemade

                    Terrorists in Gaza use both artisanal and factory-made Chinese and Iranian-made missiles.
                    A few months ago, the Israeli Air Force destroyed a plant in the same Sudan, where the Iranians produced rockets for Gaza.

                    What would they (missiles) fly at such a range, a LOT of what is needed (PU, TsU, correction)

                    How does the range depend on the correction and the control unit? They don’t need accuracy.
                    1. postman
                      0
                      6 March 2014 18: 40
                      Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                      How does the range depend on the correction and the control unit? They don’t need accuracy.

                      For range you need:
                      1. "normal" PU, WILL NOT GET 200 km from the rail
                      2. "normal" thermal container, from weather conditions you WILL NOT GET this range
                      WS-2 is probably the most long-range MLRS in the world, I REPEAT: I have never heard of the M-302 at all (I doubt that someone heard "after the special operation" of Israel
                      Note: YES AND DO NOT STRENGTH SYRIA IS A PRODUCTION (I cited their "projects" and research institutes
                      3. The described MLRS missiles fly along a ballistic trajectory, the operating mode of the taxiway is not constant (literally everything is taken into account: target, weather conditions, etc.), platform alignment (horizontal), elevation angle, etc.

                      A separate fire control system is responsible for the accuracy of guidance
                      Without it, at such a "range" the missile may not even hit the city
                      1. +2
                        6 March 2014 21: 18
                        Quote: Postman
                        Without it, at such a "range" the missile may not even hit the city

                        And they didn’t hit, they didn’t hit the same Hadera with the discussed missiles.
                      2. postman
                        0
                        6 March 2014 22: 43
                        Quote: professor
                        And didn’t fall into the same Hadera

                        Well, what can I add, acre "crooked hands"
                        / I personally know the contingent of the Armed Forces of Egypt /
                        Quote: professor
                        discussed missiles did not hit.

                        which ones? M-302 ??
                        I don’t know such people (and Syria is unable to produce independently something like WS-2).
                        And I repeat: the transportation route leads to certain doubts (Why? If there are good WS-2s in Sudan!
                        Why use the IRANIAN port (there are spies, that are American, that Israeli is more than local.
                        HOW TO test: try in a Russian bank to open a substation with an Iranian counterparty, or pay / receive a transfer to / from Iran.
                        / do not envy
                      3. +2
                        6 March 2014 22: 54
                        Quote: Postman
                        Well, what can I add, acre "crooked hands"

                        Arithmetic intervened. An error of only one degree leads to a miss of 1 km at a distance of 40 km. Hadera was under 200 km.

                        Quote: Postman
                        I don’t know such people (and Syria is unable to produce independently something like WS-2).

                        A dry cargo ship will sail on Saturday evening and take a close look at the Syrian creation. By the way, the Tsakhal’s press service was never caught lying.

                        Quote: Postman
                        And I repeat: the transportation route leads to certain doubts (Why? If there are good WS-2s in Sudan!

                        How else? Via Lebanon to Egypt? So, on the border with Lebanon, unknown air forces constantly patrol and bomb everything.

                        Quote: Postman
                        Why use the IRANIAN port (there are spies, that are American, that Israeli is more than local.

                        request
                      4. postman
                        0
                        7 March 2014 01: 52
                        Quote: professor
                        How else?

                        So according to Tsakhal, they (missiles) were UNLOADED in Sudan, to deliver Schaub through underground paths ... where?
                        1. And in Sudan they were.
                        2. It is simpler from Syria (well, if so hotman) -to Sudan (well, or through Ukraine -to Sudan)
                        3. WHY in (h / s) Iran then?
                        Quote: professor
                        unknown air force

                        now it is fashionable to say "unknown polite" belay
                      5. +2
                        7 March 2014 08: 55
                        Quote: Postman
                        So according to Tsakhal, they (missiles) were UNLOADED in Sudan, to deliver Schaub through underground paths ... where?
                        1. And in Sudan they were.
                        2. It is simpler from Syria (well, if so hotman) -to Sudan (well, or through Ukraine -to Sudan)
                        3. WHY in (h / s) Iran then?

                        From Sudan, the "paths" are well trodden by boats to Sinai, and from there through tunnels to Gaza. They have already been bombed a couple of times in Sudan. From Syria to the Mediterranean it is not easier, every trough is tracked there. This is how they tried the first time and were immediately caught. Why through Iran? I do not know.

                        Quote: Postman
                        now it is fashionable to say "unknown polite"

                        They are as unknown as the "self-defense army of Crimea in masks and without insignia" laughing
                      6. postman
                        0
                        7 March 2014 12: 02
                        Quote: professor
                        Trails from Sudan are well trodden

                        Oleg, what am I leading to:
                        1.If there is GOOD WS-2 in Sudan, WHY drag half-light unknown M-302 (which no one saw and no one produces)
                        2.It’s easier to put WS-2 from Iran or something else in Sudan
                        Quote: professor
                        Every trough is tracked there.

                        Persian is even cooler.

                        Quote: professor
                        They are the same unknown

                        I wrote, this is the squeak of the season today.
                      7. +2
                        7 March 2014 16: 30
                        Quote: Postman
                        1.If there is GOOD WS-2 in Sudan, WHY drag unclear M-302 through half the world

                        Basil,
                        1. In Sudan, it is necessary to pay for them.
                        2. In Sudan, someone already bombed the plant ...

                        Quote: Postman
                        It’s easier to put WS-2 from Iran or something else in Sudan

                        Iran does not want to shine under sanctions yet.

                        Quote: Postman
                        Persian is even cooler.

                        I don’t know about Persian, but spy equipment was found near the port in Syria.
                        http://www.vosizneias.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Mideast-Syria-Israel_sham.j
                        pg

                        Quote: Postman
                        Note without correction for 200 km, shooting is pointless.

                        In big cities you can.
                      8. postman
                        0
                        7 March 2014 17: 41
                        ATP, I didn’t know (bombed)
                        What about equipment: identified?
                      9. +2
                        7 March 2014 18: 13
                        Quote: Postman
                        ATP, I didn’t know (bombed)

                        Here's Why Israel (Probably) Bombed A Factory In Sudan

                        Quote: Postman
                        What about equipment: identified?

                        what equipment?
                      10. postman
                        0
                        10 March 2014 15: 28
                        Quote: professor
                        what equipment?

                        Quote: professor
                        but in Syria, near the port, they found a spyware equipment.
                      11. +2
                        8 March 2014 00: 47
                        if there is a GOOD WS-2 in Sudan, WHY drag in half the world unknown M-302 (which no one saw and no one produces)

                        Perhaps some of the "Sudanese" WS-2 are already in Gaza. During the extreme turmoil, such rockets were fired a couple of times at Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
                        It is also possible that another part of these missiles were destroyed by some "Polite Air Force" while on their way to Gaza.
                      12. postman
                        0
                        7 March 2014 12: 04
                        Quote: professor
                        Only one degree error

                        Ballistics is a consequence of incorrect sources (elevation, elevation, sector, surroundings), and sources are "crooked hands"
                        Note without correction for 200 km, shooting is pointless.

                        Quote: professor
                        A dry cargo ship will sail on Saturday evening and look at

                        yes, interesting, let's see March 8
                      13. +2
                        6 March 2014 22: 21
                        postman
                        Without it, at such a "range" the missile may not even hit the city

                        It’s like you’ve been sitting in the bunker for the last ten years. Have you heard about the Second Lebanon War?
                      14. postman
                        0
                        6 March 2014 22: 49
                        Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                        You are like the last ten years

                        there was no such
                        with missiles and with Sui TsU of these yes dealt
                        Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                        Have you heard about the Second Lebanon War?

                        about 12000 or 13000 rockets?
                        from which died .... 40 people.
                        LAUNCHING from a self-made railgun, and not taking into account the surroundings, it is hardly possible to get without a control unit
                      15. +2
                        8 March 2014 00: 40
                        from which died .... 40 people.

                        I don’t know what your measurements are, but for us 40 people are quite serious losses. This is in the presence of a warning system about shelling and bomb shelters. It is worth adding the economic damage from the destruction, and that the north of the country during the war was actually paralyzed
            3. dsp68rus
              -2
              6 March 2014 12: 40
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              They use them to shell Israeli residential areas. During the latest conflict, missiles fell in the Jerusalem and Tel Aviv area.


              And Israel in the Arabs is finished off with cluster bombs and 152mm gun mounts ... in my opinion there is a completely equivalent exchange ...
        3. +1
          6 March 2014 01: 43
          Quote: Tourist Breakfast
          Pay attention to the smuggling route ... It's like going from Kolomna to Moscow via St. Petersburg ... Everything is too confused, but the fact that it was constantly monitored all the way indicates the introduction

          The calculation was obvious that when these missiles would fall into Gaza, it is already impossible to detect the Iranian trace. Anyone can take weapons from Syria.
          And do not dig.


          Tell me here na.hr.en trace on the rocket ?? She will just fly in and explode. Who would later be in Sudan or not? Maybe someone else will carry out the investigation regarding the extraordinary fall ??
          1. -1
            6 March 2014 11: 46
            Tell me here na.hr.en trace on the rocket ?? She will just fly in and explode. Who would later be in Sudan or not? Maybe someone else will carry out the investigation regarding the extraordinary fall ??

            From the wreckage, you can determine the brand and country of manufacture. Iranian missile is one thing - everything is clear here. But if the Syrian - then her and al-Qaeda, etc. can apply.
            1. +1
              6 March 2014 12: 27
              Quote: Tourist Breakfast
              Tell me here na.hr.en trace on the rocket ?? She will just fly in and explode. Who would later be in Sudan or not? Maybe someone else will carry out the investigation regarding the extraordinary fall ??

              From the wreckage, you can determine the brand and country of manufacture. Iranian missile is one thing - everything is clear here. But if the Syrian - then her and al-Qaeda, etc. can apply.


              And apparently another half of the camel on which the rocket was transported ...
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      3. +8
        5 March 2014 20: 05
        Israel in its repertoire ... Russia again is trying to stifle the Nazi scum alone ... in the UN, they almost proclaimed the bandier a hero .. And the Jews of the Arabs are being murdered, supposedly they have nothing to do with ... Who shot you in Poland and Ukraine en masse ..? Silence and wait again for the benefits of the differences in quotes to earn .. (just don’t say that you are a small and defenseless country ..) .. Well, okay, and we can do without you .. Only then do not be offended ..
        1. 0
          5 March 2014 20: 14
          I did not have time to write and immediately such a stormy (quiet) reaction .. Work clearly .. bully
          1. +9
            5 March 2014 20: 18
            I did not have time to write and immediately such a violent (quiet) reaction .. Work clearly.

            You'd better think before you write. In your opinion, it turns out that Russia needs the support of Israel for some reason.
            1. +1
              5 March 2014 20: 33
              You won’t spoil the porridge with butter. Especially if it were not for Russia, Ukraine and other countries of the former USSR, then such a country as Israel did not exist. For better or worse, decide for yourself. Especially since you are friends with the United States there, and your state of war does not stop. Maybe you should think, and are you friends with those?
              1. Mih
                0
                5 March 2014 21: 46
                And I’ll tell you so that our special services are not worth the shit. All prosrali - nowhere else to go. Americans have already agreed with the Ukrainians on the deployment of missile defense. And what do you think Aunt Haya, you have a package from Shonghai. Dismiss all without severance pay.
                1. dsp68rus
                  0
                  6 March 2014 12: 52
                  Quote: Mih
                  And I’ll tell you so that our special services are not worth the shit. All prosrali - nowhere else to go. Americans have already agreed with the Ukrainians on the deployment of missile defense. And what do you think Aunt Haya, you have a package from Shonghai. Dismiss all without severance pay.


                  The Americans agreed on this with the first protokhohlom that appeared in the world. A nation of topological traitors - they have not fulfilled a single treaty, everywhere they have obsolete.
              2. dsp68rus
                0
                6 March 2014 12: 51
                It’s a shame that people are mentally close, and they are engaged in such crap.

                Quote: scientist
                You won’t spoil the porridge with butter. Especially if it were not for Russia, Ukraine and other countries of the former USSR, then such a country as Israel did not exist. For better or worse, decide for yourself. Especially since you are friends with the United States there, and your state of war does not stop. Maybe you should think, and are you friends with those?
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            3. +1
              5 March 2014 20: 35
              Quote: Tourist Breakfast
              I did not have time to write and immediately such a violent (quiet) reaction .. Work clearly.

              You'd better think before you write. In your opinion, it turns out that Russia needs the support of Israel for some reason.

              You have a lobby and financial leverage in the main countries of the world .. (no need to pretend to be whole) Sorry for the comparison .. You are profitable this fascist scum settled in Kiev .. both financially and politically .. obviously!
              1. 0
                5 March 2014 22: 59
                Paid and already know who will answer for the pogroms
                1. dsp68rus
                  0
                  6 March 2014 12: 55
                  Quote: ty60
                  Paid and already know who will answer for the pogroms


                  Naturally know. They have long been appointed extreme.
              2. -1
                5 March 2014 22: 59
                Paid and already know who will answer for the pogroms
              3. dsp68rus
                +1
                6 March 2014 12: 54
                Quote: MIKHAN
                Quote: Tourist Breakfast
                I did not have time to write and immediately such a violent (quiet) reaction .. Work clearly.

                You'd better think before you write. In your opinion, it turns out that Russia needs the support of Israel for some reason.

                You have a lobby and financial leverage in the main countries of the world .. (no need to pretend to be whole) Sorry for the comparison .. You are profitable this fascist scum settled in Kiev .. both financially and politically .. obviously!


                They benefit from everything on which you can raise kipish. It just was a purely American trick - to ruin everything to which hands reach and arrange a war there. Now the Jews pulled themselves together. It is still not clear who studied with whom ...
            4. +1
              5 March 2014 22: 33
              No one asks anyone for support, I would like to hear the opinion of Israeli citizens on this situation. Should the international community share their views, or what? wink
              1. +5
                5 March 2014 22: 59
                No one asks anyone for support, I would like to hear the opinion of Israeli citizens on this situation. Should the international community share their views, or what?

                On the site 99% of all news about the situation with Ukraine. Why else discuss it here?
                1. dsp68rus
                  -1
                  6 March 2014 12: 57
                  Quote: Tourist Breakfast
                  No one asks anyone for support, I would like to hear the opinion of Israeli citizens on this situation. Should the international community share their views, or what?

                  On the site 99% of all news about the situation with Ukraine. Why else discuss it here?


                  The site is about military affairs, and in Ukraine, if not war, then something close. But I agree to discuss Israel is not the place ... without him there is enough bunting.
              2. dsp68rus
                -1
                6 March 2014 12: 56
                Quote: kirieeleyson
                No one asks anyone for support, I would like to hear the opinion of Israeli citizens on this situation. Should the international community share their views, or what? wink


                Does it change this opinion? Propaganda works - they will say what is needed.
            5. wax
              0
              6 March 2014 01: 44
              Russia, of course, will not refuse to support Israel in this matter, but Israel is not asking for it. This is a question of Israel itself, its integrity and decency, expressed in the presentation of its own position on the issue of rampant Bandera in Ukraine or non-presentation (meaningful silence), while Israel is trying to clarify its position to the international community on less fundamental and significant issues, taking care of impeccable a democratic image of a people that suffered during the Second World War the harassing actions and punitive operations of the Nazis and nationalists (including Bandera squads). So put the flag in your hands.
              1. wax
                0
                6 March 2014 14: 18
                Addition
                Information support was provided to Maidan by P. Poroshenko, the owner of Channel 5, Polish media manager Mikhail Bonyatkovsky, Internet television expreso.tv., D. Firtash and S. Lyovochkin, Inter TV channel. Mobile communications worked well, supporting rebel communications. Kolomoisky, Bogolyubov, Firtash, Pinchuk financed directly and through intermediaries.

                The Jewish political analyst A. Eskin said in an interview that Jewish oligarchs directly received advice from the American ambassador about the need to support the "rebellious people."

                Pay attention to the last sentence in the quote.
            6. dsp68rus
              -2
              6 March 2014 12: 46
              Quote: Tourist Breakfast
              I did not have time to write and immediately such a violent (quiet) reaction .. Work clearly.

              You'd better think before you write. In your opinion, it turns out that Russia needs the support of Israel for some reason.


              In your opinion, it turns out that Israel has documented an occasion on which it would later bomb Gaza or Syria in a blackened fashion.
          2. dsp68rus
            -2
            6 March 2014 12: 45
            Quote: MIKHAN
            I did not have time to write and immediately such a stormy (quiet) reaction .. Work clearly .. bully


            Apparently cartoons work. And then the people just do nothing but the ratings of the car.
        2. +7
          6 March 2014 00: 02
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Israel in its repertoire ... Russia again is trying to stifle the Nazi scum alone ... in the UN, they almost proclaimed the bandier a hero .. And the Jews of the Arabs are being murdered, supposedly they have nothing to do with ... Who shot you in Poland and Ukraine en masse ..? Silence and wait again for the benefits of the differences in quotes to earn .. (just don’t say that you are a small and defenseless country ..) .. Well, okay, and we can do without you .. Only then do not be offended ..


          There is such an opinion ... :)
          1. dsp68rus
            -1
            6 March 2014 12: 59
            Quote: Neksel
            There is such an opinion ... :)


            Neighing ...
        3. dsp68rus
          0
          6 March 2014 12: 44
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Israel in its repertoire ... Russia again is trying to stifle the Nazi scum alone ... in the UN, they almost proclaimed the bandier a hero .. And the Jews of the Arabs are being murdered, supposedly they have nothing to do with ... Who shot you in Poland and Ukraine en masse ..? Silence and wait again for the benefits of the differences in quotes to earn .. (just don’t say that you are a small and defenseless country ..) .. Well, okay, and we can do without you .. Only then do not be offended ..


          America quit ... now something like that by ourselves
        4. dsp68rus
          0
          6 March 2014 13: 14
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Israel in its repertoire ... Russia again is trying to stifle the Nazi scum alone ... in the UN, they almost proclaimed the bandier a hero .. And the Jews of the Arabs are being murdered, supposedly they have nothing to do with ... Who shot you in Poland and Ukraine en masse ..? Silence and wait again for the benefits of the differences in quotes to earn .. (just don’t say that you are a small and defenseless country ..) .. Well, okay, and we can do without you .. Only then do not be offended ..


          Purely American fire extinguish gasoline.
    2. +1
      6 March 2014 01: 41
      Quote: soldier 111
      not tired of them still there muddy the water !! ?? just like a cartoon wait! the result of the series is always the same, only the scenario is different!


      Grandfather Gebels once said - "In order to believe in the lodges, it must be monstrous" ... So it is difficult to imagine more monstrous and ideological nonsense like missiles from Syria through Sudan to Palestine.

      Question to local Jews: And long ago, your state began to trade in piracy ??? Type of loot ends chtoli?
      1. +2
        6 March 2014 07: 48
        Quote: Geisenberg
        .
        Question to local Jews: And long ago, your state began to trade in piracy ??? Type of loot ends chtoli?

        and what a tradition. Jews have been actively engaged in piracy since the 16 century.
        1. +1
          6 March 2014 12: 30
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Quote: Geisenberg
          .
          Question to local Jews: And long ago, your state began to trade in piracy ??? Type of loot ends chtoli?

          and what a tradition. Jews have been actively engaged in piracy since the 16 century.


          As I understand it, from the 16th century BC ... it explains a lot. You can’t destroy Gopnik in yourself ... but it’s time already, there’s his own land and nuclear weapons in Tikhari have been deceived.
      2. +4
        6 March 2014 09: 35
        Quote: Geisenberg
        Question to local Jews: And long ago, your state began to trade in piracy ??? Type of loot ends chtoli?

        You, as always, are not in the subject. Before the special forces stopped this bulk carrier off the coast of Eritrea, the Israeli embassy in Panama officially notified the local authorities of the cargo being transported and received permission to inspect the cargo. In this regard, piracy allegations did not come from the government of Panama under whose flag the cargo ship was moving, but exclusively from the all-knowing Geisenberg. wassat
        1. 0
          6 March 2014 12: 32
          Quote: professor
          Quote: Geisenberg
          Question to local Jews: And long ago, your state began to trade in piracy ??? Type of loot ends chtoli?

          You, as always, are not in the subject. Before the special forces stopped this bulk carrier off the coast of Eritrea, the Israeli embassy in Panama officially notified the local authorities of the cargo being transported and received permission to inspect the cargo. In this regard, piracy allegations did not come from the government of Panama under whose flag the cargo ship was moving, but exclusively from the all-knowing Geisenberg. wassat


          But you know everything as always. Who just let you inspect the court? Under an international treaty on the state border, inspect in a 12-mile zone, in neutral waters, even with permission, even without it, pirate.
          1. +2
            6 March 2014 13: 07
            Quote: Geisenberg
            Who just let you inspect the court?

            I repeat: Panama allowed me to inspect her ship.

            Quote: Geisenberg
            in neutral waters, even with permission, even without it, it’s pirate.

            I studied the law of the sea at the university, but did you study it at all? wink
            1. +1
              6 March 2014 13: 23
              Quote: professor
              Quote: Geisenberg
              Who just let you inspect the court?

              I repeat: Panama allowed me to inspect her ship.

              Quote: Geisenberg
              in neutral waters, even with permission, even without it, it’s pirate.

              I studied the law of the sea at the university, but did you study it at all? wink


              And he studied and used it in the work.

              Panama cannot authorize or prohibit the violation of international treaties. The fact that you are repeating something there repeatedly does not change the essence of the process. It is also piracy in Africa.
              1. +3
                6 March 2014 13: 36
                Quote: Geisenberg
                And he studied and used it in the work.

                Poorly studied and misused.

                Quote: Geisenberg
                Panama cannot authorize or prohibit the violation of international treaties. The fact that you are repeating something there repeatedly does not change the essence of the process. It is also piracy in Africa.

                What international treaty (title and paragraph) did Israel violate? Document to the studio.
  2. -9
    5 March 2014 19: 37
    We will set you free
    We will give souls to God
    The gaze to Allah is reversible
    There will be our Jerusalem!
    Mountains of ash and fire
    Your troops will enter the temple,
    You listen to their prayers
    Take souls to eternity!
    Jerusalem, Jerusalem!
    Jerusalem, Jerusalem!

    Gy smile
    1. +10
      5 March 2014 20: 21
      Dear Barbecue Sysoy Armagedonovich (well, so you zaregatsya) is this what it is? what
      1. -5
        5 March 2014 22: 00
        Quote: major071
        Dear Barbecue Sysoy Armagedonovich (well, so you zaregatsya) is this what it is?

        Dear Vladimir Mayor071, whoever needs it, he understood.
    2. -1
      6 March 2014 16: 53
      Hrenley here threw me cons? Muslims will never stop. What, isn't that so? In general, you need to unsubscribe if something is not pleasant, I always do that.
  3. +1
    5 March 2014 19: 38
    Everything is confusing, the missiles manufactured by Syria are marked by Iran and are transported to the Gaza Strip. They were encrypted cool, only to be seen as clever if they were calculated so quickly. Maybe it would have been something simpler. request
    1. +1
      5 March 2014 22: 17
      It’s not a secret that Israel is trying to compromise Iran .. so it’s a well-planned action ...
      1. dsp68rus
        -1
        6 March 2014 13: 07
        Quote: cerko
        It’s not a secret that Israel is trying to compromise Iran .. so it’s a well-planned action ...


        And there is.
    2. dsp68rus
      0
      6 March 2014 13: 06
      Quote: ruslan7608
      Everything is confusing, the missiles manufactured by Syria are marked by Iran and are transported to the Gaza Strip. They were encrypted cool, only to be seen as clever if they were calculated so quickly. Maybe it would have been something simpler. request


      . Information occasion. Then they will say that Syria specifically produces rockets for the shelling of Israel, well, as always, the descendant will find a descendant, etc. ...
  4. 0
    5 March 2014 19: 38
    A Syrian missile of a Chinese copy with GPS control ... Right now, my head will burst from such truthful information ... We are waiting for the introduction of troops into Syria
    1. dsp68rus
      0
      6 March 2014 13: 07
      Quote: Samaritan
      A Syrian missile of a Chinese copy with GPS control ... Right now, my head will burst from such truthful information ... We are waiting for the introduction of troops into Syria


      Terrorists little chtoli?
  5. +17
    5 March 2014 19: 43
    Soon some armed forces will appear in Syria without identification marks. To the question of who you are, the answer will be: "Self-defense of Crimea" Only they will say it in Hebrew wassat
    1. Tumbleweed
      +6
      5 March 2014 19: 55
      Quote: lonely
      Soon some armed forces will appear in Syria without identification marks. To the question of who you are, the answer will be: "Self-defense of Crimea" Only they will say it in Hebrew


      I thought that everything is so clear that there is no need to comment, but I look no one mentioned that as soon as attempts to soften the sanctions against Iran begin, Israel, like a skillful magician, pulls out another fact of smuggling from the "pocket" (development YAO ...). So, I wouldn't even be surprised that Iran learned about the smuggling of Syrian missiles, which they can carry
      chemical or biological warhead.
      in containers with Iranian labeling from the Israeli press.
      Someone can shake the tube with the UN, someone only intercept contraband. After studying the rockets, they’ll probably find Assad and Ayatollah’s inscriptions or fingerprints wassat
      1. +8
        5 March 2014 20: 08
        So, I’m not even surprised that in Iran they learned about the smuggling of Syrian missiles that they can carry

        Too complicated and risky operation to denigrate poor Iran. And then the unsuccessful moment was chosen - now everyone is not up to Iran.
        1. Salamander
          +1
          5 March 2014 21: 06
          Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
          Too complicated and risky operation to denigrate poor Iran. And then the unsuccessful moment was chosen - now everyone is not up to Iran.


          Nothing, soon information will appear in the press that this vessel was still planning to go to Vladivostok, where the locksmith Kuzmich lives, who supplies the chemical or biological warhead for missiles, having previously stolen it in the warehouse. Then the news will be just right wassat

    2. Mih
      +1
      5 March 2014 21: 54
      The indigenous inhabitants of Crimea are Karaites professing Judaism. In the troops of Vitald Litovsky, they made up his guard. Karaite dishes can be tasted in Trakai, located next to Lentvaris, not far from Vilnius. With greetings, not that, not that.
    3. dsp68rus
      0
      6 March 2014 13: 11
      Quote: lonely
      Soon some armed forces will appear in Syria without identification marks. To the question of who you are, the answer will be: "Self-defense of Crimea" Only they will say it in Hebrew wassat


      This stage has already slipped there three years ago. So go by.
  6. Smiles to you
    +7
    5 March 2014 19: 50
    Indeed, some " Vologda laces "Although, I must confess, In fact, the Israeli Specialists and Intelligence Service, it is not in vain that they eat Matsu and drink Kasher Vodka ... hi
    1. +7
      5 March 2014 20: 58
      Quote: Smiles at you
      drink kasher vodka

      Kasher vodka - how disgusting, and matzo - far from ice.
      1. 0
        5 March 2014 21: 40
        In! Why?
        1. Mih
          0
          5 March 2014 22: 11
          Everyone drinks vodka, even Chechens. I personally drank with them at 95.
        2. +3
          5 March 2014 22: 48
          Quote: muhomor
          In! Why?

          Because it’s from potatoes, not from grain,
          1. +3
            6 March 2014 00: 07
            Quote: igor67
            Quote: muhomor
            In! Why?

            Because it’s from potatoes, not from grain,


            You seem to have mixed it up with kosher on dogs, then you can’t cereal products.
      2. +10
        5 March 2014 23: 01
        Quote: atalef
        Kasher vodka - how disgusting, and matzo - far from ice.

        There is no kosher vodka by definition; all vodka is kosher. Checked. hi
  7. +2
    5 March 2014 19: 51
    "Thugs are coming
    They have trimmings at their feet "
    Anthem of Israeli Special Forces laughing

    They trod a wow bus ... From Syria via Iran and South Sudan to the Gaza Strip. In my opinion, it's easier to dig. It is only by the fact that such a roundabout route, it becomes clear that the special services of the Semitic are not for nothing eating bread (matzo, in the sense).
    1. +4
      5 March 2014 20: 02
      Quote: Luga
      the special services of the Semites are not in vain eating bread (matzo, in the sense).
      Matsu is only one week a year. And the rest of the time and they eat bread. wink
      1. +1
        5 March 2014 20: 32
        Quote: Nagan
        Matsu is only one week a year. And the rest of the time and they eat bread. wink


        Well, they eat and eat, I do not mind, the main thing is that it is not in vain smile

        Honestly, I have long believed that Israel is high time to get out from under the mattress protectorate and to establish normal relations with neighbors, then they will cease to explode. And so, in general, for which they fight for it and run into it.
        In general, I am almost always glad when something that could explode does not explode.
        1. Kus Imak
          +5
          5 March 2014 20: 51
          Quote: Luga
          Quote: Nagan
          Matsu is only one week a year. And the rest of the time and they eat bread. wink


          Well, they eat and eat, I do not mind, the main thing is that it is not in vain smile

          Honestly, I have long believed that Israel is high time to get out from under the mattress protectorate and to establish normal relations with neighbors, then they will cease to explode. And so, in general, for which they fight for it and run into it.
          In general, I am almost always glad when something that could explode does not explode.


          We have all the neighbors sitting under the protectorate, one with an American, one with another country.
    2. Kus Imak
      +3
      5 March 2014 20: 46
      It will not work. There are rocks on the border. Excavations only in the sandy desert go well.
  8. +15
    5 March 2014 19: 53
    Missiles of this class are not very applicable in a civil war against mobile gangs adhering to guerrilla tactics. * But it would be the very thing to shoot at civilian targets. And Israel, quite understandably, does not want Hamas to have such an opportunity, even a theoretical one. Well done, special services do not eat their bread in vain.
    Well, from the point of view of international law, Iran is still under sanctions, including a ban on the sale of weapons. But this attempt to violate the sanctions regime cannot but affect the course of Iran’s negotiations with the UN, and most likely will lead to a toughening of the position of the West. Having pierced in Ukraine, they cannot help but try to win back on anything and anyone, and Iran is a very suitable candidate for whipping boys.


    * This is me to the question of why the Syrian government, which is in a state of civil war, fuse weapons to the side.
  9. +3
    5 March 2014 19: 56
    no one denied the ability of the mossad to work
  10. +3
    5 March 2014 20: 01
    http://guzei.com/online_radio/listen.php?online_radio_id=999
    We have a radio that is very Russophobic. Almost fascists call Russia Russia because of Ukraine.
    1. +10
      5 March 2014 20: 07
      Quote: ruslan207
      We have a radio that is very Russophobic. Almost fascists call Russia Russia because of Ukraine.

      as if you are exceptional in this. we ourselves have such tongue
  11. Smiles to you
    0
    5 March 2014 20: 02
    Quote: Nagan
    Missiles of this class are not very applicable in a civil war against mobile gangs adhering to guerrilla tactics. * But it would be the very thing to shoot at civilian targets. And Israel, quite understandably, does not want Hamas to have such an opportunity, even a theoretical one. Well done, special services do not eat their bread in vain.
    Well, from the point of view of international law, Iran is still under sanctions, including a ban on the sale of weapons. But this attempt to violate the sanctions regime cannot but affect the course of Iran’s negotiations with the UN, and most likely will lead to a toughening of the position of the West. Having pierced in Ukraine, they cannot help but try to win back on anything and anyone, and Iran is a very suitable candidate for whipping boys.


    * This is me to the question of why the Syrian government, which is in a state of civil war, fuse weapons to the side.

    You may be right, but as you know, Goal for inventing a cunning ... Could not find a video where in Syria the Bomjahideen are being shot at by the SSA. of slingshots (Dimensions are impressive) by mines ...
    1. +16
      5 March 2014 20: 06
      Quote: Smiles at you
      I could not find a video where in Syria the Bomjahideen was being shot at by the SSA. of slingshots (Dimensions are impressive) by mines ...
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  12. +9
    5 March 2014 20: 07
    if special services prevent bloodshed in their country in advance, I have nothing to say for the good fellows hi
  13. Smiles to you
    +1
    5 March 2014 20: 09
    Quote: And Us Rat
    Quote: Smiles at you
    I could not find a video where in Syria the Bomjahideen was being shot at by the SSA. of slingshots (Dimensions are impressive) by mines ...

    Yes, yes .. SPS ...
  14. 0
    5 March 2014 20: 26
    They forgot something about Syria ... in the world media! and Iran ...? And Russia remembers keep in mind ..! soldier
  15. +1
    5 March 2014 20: 41
    Each has its own cockroaches.
  16. kelevra
    +1
    5 March 2014 20: 45
    Hey Israel, do you know that anti-Semites and fascists came to power in Kiev ?! It is very strange that there are no statements made by the main offenders on this issue!
    1. +11
      5 March 2014 21: 24
      Quote: kelevra
      Hey Israel, do you know that anti-Semites and fascists came to power in Kiev ?! It is very strange that there are no statements made by the main offenders on this issue!

      Fair? Now, if Ukrainian Jews feel bad, the option suitcase, train station, Israel is always open for them. And to fight all anti-Semites in the World is to scoop out water with a sieve. There are plenty of them among the participants in this forum. All the same, Ukraine is not directly threatened for 1500 km from us. We have immediate threats.
      As for the ship, it was not taken from floundering bay. Intelligence led the cargo and ship for several months and collected a maximum of information.
      Dry cargo ship Klos-C was built by the St. Petersburg enterprise "Severnaya Verf" and launched in 1996. Its length is 110 meters and its displacement is about 7.000 tons (IMO 8918710). The vessel is owned by Whitesea Shipping & Trading, a registered Marshall Islands company. According to Mikhail Voitenko, editor-in-chief of the Marine Bulletin, the company has owned the vessel since July 2012. From that time until July-August 2013, the vessel operated in the Persian Gulf - Red Sea region. From August to December, the vessel operated in the Black Sea. On December 27 it left Istanbul, on January 23 it arrived in Bandar Abbas (Iran), from where the flight with weapons began. The shipowner's nationality is unknown.
      Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, speaking at a conference of auditors in Tel Aviv, said that the ship's captain is a Turkish citizen.
      The last time the ship's location was recorded on February 21. Then it was in the Strait of Hormuz, not far from the Iranian port of Bandar Abbas. The last port, in which the cargo ship called, was the Iraqi Umm Qasr.
    2. +9
      5 March 2014 23: 07
      Quote: kelevra
      Hey Israel, do you know that anti-Semites and fascists came to power in Kiev ?!

      I saw among the "defenders" of the Crimea Cossacks - famous lovers of Jews and "fighters" against the Nazis and anti-Semites. Now I am all in doubt: who is better than Cossacks or Bandera?
    3. -4
      5 March 2014 23: 10
      I already wrote, after payment, everyone still knows who is responsible for the pogrom
  17. 0
    5 March 2014 20: 56
    Well, it’s not that Israel should be praised for the successful multi-operation operation hehe heh .... (we have no time for us to crush the Nazis ..) That's how we live .. we don’t have time to fight back (there the Saudis have quieted down suspiciously again preparing explosions ..?)
    1. 0
      5 March 2014 23: 17
      while we are discussing Samostin, some will climb into Syria. Everything is implicitly connected here.
    2. -1
      5 March 2014 23: 17
      while we are discussing Samostin, some will climb into Syria. Everything is implicitly connected here.
  18. -8
    5 March 2014 21: 38
    a funny article or a report on the spent shekels, you see what rocket (Ukraine) the Kalibish boys fished out of the Russian Sea: their Khazar ancestors turned over three times in their grave for joy.
  19. 0
    5 March 2014 22: 21
    Quote: Mih
    And I’ll tell you so that our special services are not worth the shit. All prosrali - nowhere else to go. Americans have already agreed with the Ukrainians on the deployment of missile defense. And what do you think Aunt Haya, you have a package from Shonghai. Dismiss all without severance pay.

    We will not judge our special services, but our children or grandchildren!
  20. Mih
    0
    5 March 2014 22: 24
    Calm is only in heaven. Neutron warheads - peace of our borders!
  21. Xolod
    -9
    5 March 2014 22: 39
    I don’t like nosy, but their intelligence works for a sight for sore eyes ... (
    1. +8
      5 March 2014 23: 02
      Quote: Xolod
      I don’t like nosy, but their intelligence works for a sight for sore eyes ... (

      So well-developed olfactory receptors. We all smell it right away. tongue
  22. -8
    5 March 2014 23: 02
    Yeah, they would have organized a hunt for penguins.
    When I hear that the Mossad special forces have seized the Peter the Great aircraft carrier with a smuggling of roach, then this operation can be entered into the history.
    And the poor Syrians are already being persecuted, all and sundry.
    It is strange why the ammunition did not bear the inscription "Made reliably. Moishe, Haifa. Repair and production of imported umbrellas."
    Of course, I understand the fellow Jews that they are bored, in connection with the events in the spontaneous, they hammered a bolt ... Well, the "type" and distinguished themselves a little.
    1. -1
      5 March 2014 23: 21
      By the way, thanks for the minus.
      But instead of slandering a pi ... some pear, it would be better if they rushed to Odessa (that is), to save their brethren.
      Then they themselves will shout all over the world that Benders "accidentally" cut Jews.
      1. +6
        5 March 2014 23: 31
        Quote: LiSSyara
        By the way, thanks for the minus.
        But instead of slandering a pi ... some pear, it would be better if they rushed to Odessa (that is), to save their brethren.
        Then they themselves will shout all over the world that Benders "accidentally" cut Jews.

        Even Mishka Yaponchik put in Svidomo’s subconscious mind that Jews in Odessa should not be touched. This is troublesome.
        1. 0
          6 March 2014 00: 08
          Under the Jap, there were no Bendera! ABOUT!
          I myself, when I studied in Kiev during the Soviet era, I liked to walk along Podil (the story however, but you will meet figs), and I visited Odessa a couple of times.
          Just like honey to the soul, and even at the end of the 80's ...
  23. -7
    5 March 2014 23: 20
    There are hundreds of states in our world. Large and Israeli. Maybe start a heading "from the life of dwarfs" on the site? You never know of those in this world. laughing With the minuses, everything is clear. Solid fat hi
  24. Smiles to you
    +1
    6 March 2014 01: 13
    Kasher vodka - how disgusting, and matzo - far from ice.
    As they say, the taste and color ... felt-tip pens are different. I liked it. very edible ... hi with u ...
    1. +2
      6 March 2014 09: 39
      Quote: Smiles at you
      Kasher vodka - what a nasty thing

      What did Keglevich not please you? laughing
  25. +1
    7 March 2014 09: 19
    Fake some sort of cargo is inspected before getting into the gas and it must be naive to send rockets into the gas knowing that they will not fall there