A record of the conversation of the EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs Catherine Ashton and Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet appeared on the Internet, which, as follows from the description, turned out to be at the disposal of the staff of the Security Service of Ukraine.
Both European politicians discuss their impressions about the situation in Ukraine during the conversation. During the conversation, Urmas Paet also mentions that the snipers who shot at people in Kiev were hired by the leaders of the Maidan.
Speaking Paet said that all the evidence that he showed evidence that the protesters and law enforcement officers were killed the same snipers.
“It is very disturbing that the new coalition does not want to investigate these events, and now it is becoming clearer that behind these snipers there was not Yanukovych, but someone from the new coalition,” he said.
Paet fears that if “this история will begin to live their lives, then immediately discredits the new coalition. ”
Full transcript of the conversation
Ashton: Hello. How are you doing?
Paet: I'm fine. How are you?
Ashton: It's all right. I wanted to talk to you and find out your impressions.
Paet: I returned only last night, so I was there only one day.
Ashton: Your impressions?
Paet: The impressions are sad. I met with representatives of the Party of Regions, also with representatives of the new coalition and a representative of civil society. Her name is Olga. You should know her.
Ashton: Yes, Olga. I know her.
Paet: My impressions are really sad. There is no trust, including trust in those politicians who are included in the coalition or left it. Representatives of Maidan and civil society say: "None of them should be part of the new government, they all have a dirty past." Olga and other representatives of civil society received proposals to join the new government, but Olga, for example, said that she was ready to join the government only with her team and with foreign experts in order to start a real health care reform. So the level of trust is actually zero. And this is all against the background of problems related to security, territorial integrity, the Crimea, and so on. The Party of Regions is in an absolutely depressed state. They said they accept the fact that there will be a new government, early elections will be held. There is a very strong pressure on members of parliament. During the night, “uninvited guests” come to the party members, journalists saw people with weapons beat a deputy. All this is really happening. Olga and members of the civil society are absolutely confident that people will not leave the streets until they see that real reforms have begun. It is not enough just to change the government. These are the main impressions of both the European Union and Estonia in particular. We must be ready to participate, along with others, in the financial package.
Paet: It is necessary to give them an absolutely clear signal that replacing the government will not be enough, real reforms and actions are needed to increase the level of trust. Otherwise, everything will end in tears. Representatives of the Party of Regions also told me the following: “You see, if people in the east of the country really wake up, they will begin to demand respect for their rights. Some in Donetsk already say:“ We can’t wait any longer for the Ukrainian occupation to end in Donetsk. This is a Russian city, we want Russia to intervene. "And so on. Such are the impressions, in short.
Ashton: Everything is very, very interesting. We are having a meeting with all the European Commissioners. We are discussing what can be done. These are financial packages in the short, medium and long term. Where to get money, what to offer investment packages, business leaders and so on. From a political point of view: what resources we have to help civil society, and what measures need to be taken. I told representatives of civil society, Yatsenyuku, Klitschko and everyone I met yesterday: “We can provide you with people who know how to carry out political and economic reforms. Countries close to Ukraine can help carry out large-scale internal reforms. In these matters, we we have tremendous experience that we can share. I told the people on the Maidan: "Yes, you want real reforms. If you want to make them shorter and faster, you need to start the process. It is necessary to fight corruption, it is difficult. It will be necessary to select people who will work before the elections. "I spoke with Olga that she could become the Minister of Health. Such people are needed in this situation. But I also told them:" If you will only build barricades, blocking buildings, then we will not be able to provide money because we need partners. "
Ashton: I told opposition leaders who would become members of the government: “You can go to Maidan, you even have to communicate with Maidan, but you have to make sure that all people feel protected. I told the Party of Regions representatives:” lay flowers on the places of death of people, you have to show that you understand what happened here. Now you are angry, but people who have suffered, including corruption, have similar feelings. "Many grieve for the dead. And in general, there are too many sorrows and experiences in the city. It is necessary to normalize the situation. Your observations are also very interesting.
Paet: All this is true. The only person about whom representatives of civil society spoke positively is Poroshenko.
Ashton: Yes. Yes.
Paet: He enjoys a certain trust among people on the Maidan and among civil society. Olga also said that, according to all available evidence, people who were killed by snipers on both sides, among policemen and people from the street, were the same snipers who killed people on both sides.
Paet: She showed me the photos, referring to the opinion of doctors who talk about the same handwriting, the type of bullets. And the fact that the new coalition does not want to investigate the exact circumstances of what happened is all the more wary of people. There is a rapidly growing understanding that behind these snipers there was not Yanukovych, but behind them was someone from the new coalition.
Ashton: I heard they want to investigate. It is interesting. Go on.
Paet: This is an extremely annoying factor. This discredits the new coalition from the start.
Ashton: They need to be very careful. People require major changes. But it is necessary that the mechanism functioned. They (the new coalition) must simultaneously be activists, doctors and politicians. It is very difficult. They need to hold on for at least a few weeks, then there will be elections. I plan to return early next week. Maybe on Monday.
Paet: It is very important that people from Europe, and in general the West, demonstrate their intentions.
Ashton: A large group stays on Friday. William Hague - the other day, and I - on Monday.
Paet: I heard that Canadian Foreign Minister arrives on Friday, and William Burns has already been there.
Ashton: I know. Thank you, my friend.
Paet: Thank you too. All the best. Successful trip to Australia.
Ashton: What? Australia? Not. I have to postpone the trip because I have to deal with Ukraine.
Paet: Good. Goodbye.