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If Russia does not solve the issue of Crimea, then Turkey will decide it

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The events unfolding in recent months in Ukraine are an excellent occasion and an opportunity for Russia to once and for all resolve all issues relating to Crimea and the security of the Black Sea naval base fleet Russian Navy in Sevastopol. The role of the infrastructure located in the Crimea for the Black Sea Fleet is huge - up to 70% of all military facilities of this naval group are located there. It is worth noting that the creation of new bases of the same scale will cost the budget of the Russian Federation a lot of money. Naturally, the moral side of the issue should not be forgotten either - Russia, in any case, must defend the interests of Russians living in Ukraine.

So, let's imagine one of the options for resolving the current situation - the preservation of the Crimea as part of Ukraine, with some expansion of autonomy after the referendum. Russian troops, respectively, leave the peninsula, retreating before the threats of Western states. It would seem that with such a development of events the issue of Crimea is frozen for an indefinite period. However, it is difficult to believe in the political stability of Ukraine in the coming years, so the present situation could well be repeated - and then, with the second stage, Russia could finally take the Crimea into its composition (and possibly part of the eastern regions). This option seems to be quite far-sighted - especially if now, with the first stage, it would have turned Ukraine into a federal state. Then, after the final division into East and West, no one would have doubts about the legitimacy of what happened.

But the above scenario has one big drawback - a player such as Turkey is not taken into account. The Turks have their own plans for the Crimea - this was perfectly demonstrated by the urgent visit of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Turkey Ahmed Davutoglu to Ukraine and his support for the territorial integrity of this state. And this decision is absolutely logical - if the Crimea will be part of the Russian Federation, then it will be impossible to wrest it from there. And always feverish Ukraine is a completely different matter. In this matter, time plays into the hands of Turkey - the number of Crimean Tatars in the structure of the Crimea AR population increased from 1,6% at the time of the collapse of the USSR to 12,1% in 2001 year. Data in recent years is not available, but in any case, the trend is on the face. The Crimean Tatars have already shown their desire to reunite with Turkey: when the unrest began in the Crimea, they even got into a fight with the rally Russians, but soon realized that so far there was not enough force to counter it. Already after this, hackers posted on the Internet a secret correspondence between Lviv radicals and the leaders of the Crimean Tatars, in which ultraradicals asked the Tatars to prepare for them weapon, so that they come to the Crimea and "figure it out" with everyone.

In addition, do not forget that Turkey is gaining more and more military power every year and is gradually becoming one of the strongest players in the region. If before the Turkish army was the second largest in NATO, but it could not boast of high-quality and modern military equipment. Recently, the arsenals of the Turkish Armed Forces are replenished every year, and in addition, own equipment of any complexity is being developed - for example, from 2015 it is planned to begin production of the national tank Altay, which according to the given performance characteristics is not inferior to the best world standards. Another major project is the development of its own 5th generation TFX fighter, which is scheduled to appear in 2020. As for more specific plans, Turkey plans to start purchasing US 5th generation F-35 fighters in 2017-2018. 100 aircraft will be purchased, which, combined with 200 F-16s, makes the Turkish Air Force a very serious rival for any country. The 4 B737 Peace Eagle long-range radar detection and control aircraft that are being bought in the United States and detecting targets at a distance of up to 600 km will be able to perfectly coordinate the entire combat Aviation. In other areas, success is no less - the development of their own drones, operational tactical missiles, various armored vehicles, etc.

It is clear that having strengthened so much, Turkey, which even now does not always act according to the official course of NATO, will begin to play its game. And in this case, very serious difficulties arise for the Russian Federation, since a civil war is already possible within the Crimea itself, with unpredictable consequences.

That is why, it is more logical and more correct to be right now, without missing an excellent opportunity, to help the Autonomous Republic of Crimea gain independence, and later, if there is a desire, to join the Russian Federation. This, of course, will cause a storm of indignation from the Western countries - there will be no need to wait for the recognition of the newly-baked republic, but in fact it makes little difference. The example of South Ossetia and Abkhazia is still before us - the pseudo-isolation of Russia will last for 1-2 of the year, after which they will simply stop talking about this problem and everything will return to normal. Only here, the Russians of the Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation will not have to worry any more, as today there is no need to worry about the safety of Ossetians and Abkhazians.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 5 March 2014 11: 51
    +62
    Therefore, no interim decisions are needed here and on March 30 there should be a referendum and the question is whether the Crimeans want to be part of the Russian Federation ??? Or in a pinch as a separate independent state !!!
    1. Tumbleweed
      Tumbleweed 5 March 2014 15: 49
      +58
      Sha !!! Turkey can no longer decide anything. Turkey has enough of its own maydauns, as soon as they get into the Crimea, and Turkey itself will disintegrate ... Turkey itself is now actively bending down, they tried to incite the "instigator" into the scorching heat of Syria, but Erdogan was able to avoid this honor for which now they are taking revenge.
      Crimea began to restore its historical status, however while it already not Ukrainian, but while not Russian. The process has begun and it is irreversible, but I like the fact that after each Olympics (Beijing-South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Sochi-Crimea) Russia "grows" in territories ... wassat
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 5 March 2014 15: 56
        +23
        Sha !!! Turkey can’t decide anything. Turkey and its maydaunas have enough

        this does not prevent any country from interfering in the affairs of another.
        Influence the Tatars, for example, train militants or supply weapons and money.
        it is not necessary to have a Turkish corvette off the coast of Crimea, but Turkey can, and I am sure that it does, have agents of influence to destabilize the situation in the region from among the same Tatars.
        welcome to the real world, my friend))))
        1. Tumbleweed
          Tumbleweed 5 March 2014 16: 05
          +13
          Quote: Stas57
          this does not prevent any country from interfering in the affairs of another.

          It never bothered anyone. But to intervene you need to have strength and money. Russia is not the same as in the 90s, and the President is not EBN. And we see this very well, and we Russians and citizens (rulers) of other countries ... Obama puffs his cheeks, and nothing else and unlike before, America’s allies (vassals) openly argue that sanctions will not support
          Quote: Stas57
          Influence the Tatars, for example, train militants or supply weapons and money.

          The Tatars were already influenced by Kadyrov and the government of Tatarstan. As for the militants and weapons, Turkey clearly understands that the Kurds are much more dangerous for it than the Crimean Tatars are for Russia. And the Russian special services have woken up from hibernation - lately, "fried" facts have surfaced too early ... But he remembers everything and the "response" comes at the most unexpected moment ...
          Quote: Stas57
          welcome to the real world, my friend))))

          I live in it, do not suffer from virtualism request
          1. Stas57
            Stas57 5 March 2014 16: 17
            0
            But to intervene you need to have strength and money

            Both there and there, the question of open intervention, right?
            I will not be sure

            The Tatars were already influenced by Kadyrov and the government of Tatarstan.

            as well as the Yakuts of the Republic of Sakha, yeah.
            What relation do the Kazan Tatars have to the Crimean? What are pressure levers?
            the answer is no.
            and influence = 0
            Kadyrov is similar.

            They were just given to understand - stay quiet, everything will be fine with you, will yell, everything will be bad.
            Who said? Yes, maybe the same Turks, it’s quite not time for Turkey yet, Maybe our respective authorities, here I can’t say, because I have friends in the civil services of Kazan, but not in Crimea ((((
            And all as one they say, Shaimiev for the Crimean no one to call in any way.
            1. elmi
              elmi 5 March 2014 17: 11
              +7
              If Russia does not solve the issue of Crimea, then Turkey will decide it

              If they decide to solve the problem of Crimea, then later we will have to solve the problem with the Kurds)) for the Kurds will not have a dialogue besides us)))
          2. gfs84
            gfs84 5 March 2014 16: 19
            +15
            Here it was a carrot from Russia:

            Crimea and Tatarstan on Wednesday signed an agreement on economic and humanitarian cooperation. “We have a lot in common, we want to develop cooperation in all areas without exception,” said the Prime Minister of Crimea Sergei Aksenov before signing the agreement. According to the President of Tatarstan, the agreement regulates, in particular, cooperation in the field of medicine, tourism, investment and innovation. “A road map will be developed, working groups will be created, responsible ministers who will be involved in the implementation of this agreement will be identified,” RIA Novosti quotes Mr. Minnikhanov.

            “In the coming month, we must prepare and sign more realistic steps. Representatives of our ministries, representatives of the Council of Ministers of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea will sign this program, ”said the head of Tatarstan.

            If the Crimean Tatars still do not understand anything, they will use a whip (in the person of Kadyrov and instead of the business delegation, there will most likely be the Vostok battalion).
            1. Stas57
              Stas57 5 March 2014 16: 27
              +4
              Here it was a carrot from Russia:
              but this is possible- economic pressure + promise to build the largest mosque to them. Akhmad Kadyrov)))
            2. fisherman
              fisherman 5 March 2014 16: 38
              +8
              the Maydan people are also trying to bake gingerbread cookies for sashashka. In the Ukrainian parliament, a bill has been registered in support of Ukraine's entry into NATO.
              1. agbykov
                agbykov 5 March 2014 23: 43
                +5
                It is necessary to free all of Ukraine, not only Crimea! Ukraine in NATO is a mortal danger for Russia!
              2. Free Island
                Free Island 6 March 2014 11: 35
                0
                at the expense of Ukraine’s entry into NATO-it’s just children's games mayDAUNNUT. NATO does not accept states with territorial problems. Georgia is an example of this. If, after a referendum in March, Crimea declared independence, the rest of the regions want it, Ukraine will not see itself in NATO as its ears
          3. stappler
            stappler 5 March 2014 21: 43
            0
            - everything is clear with the Tatars, Minikhanov went, the bet on the young Tatars is correct, they should do business, not for the elderly. what to do with the military, the Ukrainian who did not go over to the side of the Crimea, roam there in droves, what to do with units that did not join the Crimea, there are soldiers from other regions. you need to give apartments on a skirt, but what to do,
            the situation is either pan-or disappeared.
        2. Syrdon
          Syrdon 5 March 2014 17: 11
          +7
          Well, specialists on what, FSB, etc. Crimea is not the Caucasus; there is nowhere to hide especially. With good agents and orm, you can end a variegated riffraff within a year.
        3. Alexei
          Alexei 5 March 2014 17: 25
          +2
          Quote: Stas57
          Influence the Tatars, for example, train militants or supply weapons and money.
          it is not necessary to have a Turkish corvette off the coast of Crimea, but Turkey can, and I am sure that it does, have agents of influence to destabilize the situation in the region from among the same Tatars.

          Maybe he does, BUT without scope. Because on a grand scale you can burn, and Turkey is not the United States, the weight categories are different.
        4. biglow
          biglow 5 March 2014 19: 32
          +5
          Quote: Stas57
          Sha !!! Turkey can’t decide anything. Turkey and its maydaunas have enough

          this does not prevent any country from interfering in the affairs of another.
          Influence the Tatars, for example, train militants or supply weapons and money.
          it is not necessary to have a Turkish corvette off the coast of Crimea, but to have agents of influence to destabilize the situation in the region from among the same Tatars

          Tatars have already bought and Kadyrov came and explained to them popularly what would happen to them if they started the massacre in the Crimea and it would be with them that they would simply be exterminated, there was nowhere to run from the Crimea reliably clogged with ...
          the author of the article or the provocateur or does not follow what is happening
      2. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 5 March 2014 16: 39
        +1
        Quote: tumbleweed
        Turkey and its maydaunas have enough, it costs them to get into the Crimea and Turkey itself will collapse ...


        Do not explain why?

        Quote: tumbleweed
        Turkey itself is now actively bending down, they tried to incite the "instigator" into the scorching heat of Syria, but Erdogan was able to avoid this honor for which now they are taking revenge.


        In my opinion, he tried so hard to get into this war that he jumped out of his pants.
      3. elmi
        elmi 5 March 2014 16: 41
        +12
        For some reason, lately little attention has been paid to other regions wishing to be under Crimean rule. Why I say because a peaceful coup took place rapidly in Crimea and Amiya swore allegiance to Crimean rule and everything seemed to settle down. police for the people, then the police for power back from Kiev and appointees from Kiev take power again. But the people are against and no one seems to help unlike the Crimea. Why only be limited to the Crimea, it is necessary to follow the example of the Crimea take other regions. Then it may be too late.
        1. IRBIS
          IRBIS 5 March 2014 17: 01
          +9
          Quote: elmi
          Why only confine ourselves to Crimea, it is necessary to take other regions, following the example of Crimea, then it may be too late.

          And then you yourself answer your question:
          Quote: elmi
          in other regions of the leapfrog, the people overthrow the appointed government from Kiev and the police for the people, then the police back for power from Kiev and the appointees from Kiev again take power.

          Quote: elmi
          But the people are against and no one seems to help, unlike the Crimea

          But, alas, I disagree with the last statement. On the face - the infantilism of the majority, temporary euphoria and nothing more. And how can you defend someone who is already lying on his back under the new power? Send troops and defend their interests while they eat bacon in the kitchens? Help when they are not doing anything themselves? Even now, in this very East, they speak louder and louder about the "aggressiveness" of Russia, and these are the voices of not only "zaslanets", there are also many Russians. So understand them. Here is their view of what is happening: If we do not defend, it means we have sold, we defend, we will be aggressors.
          1. elmi
            elmi 5 March 2014 17: 33
            +3
            Quote: IRBIS
            But, alas, I disagree with the last statement. On the face - the infantilism of the majority, temporary euphoria and nothing more. And how can you defend someone who is already lying on his back under the new power? Send troops and defend their interests while they eat bacon in the kitchens? Help when they are not doing anything themselves? Even now, in this very East, they speak louder and louder about the "aggressiveness" of Russia, and these are the voices of not only "zaslanets", there are also many Russians.

            In my opinion, one strong desire of the people against the government is not always enough. Sometimes a strong desire stumbles upon stiff opposition. Perhaps if there weren’t our support in the Crimea and the police acted tough, for example, as we have riot police, the people would not be able to remove the local authorities . And so it is necessary to quickly hold a referendum and try to turn the eastern regions of Ukraine to their side.
        2. stappler
          stappler 5 March 2014 21: 57
          +1
          in-of, it is necessary to support Donbass Kherson, Nikolaev first of all with money,
          otherwise people can’t be moved from work, you need to talk with shadow leaders, give guarantees, negotiate in order to support them.
      4. DMB87
        DMB87 5 March 2014 19: 43
        +1
        Already decided:

        In a telephone conversation, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan agreed that in Crimea it will be possible to ensure interethnic and interfaith peace, despite the aggression of the radical forces of the Maidan.
        "On both sides, confidence is expressed that, despite the aggressive actions of the radical and extremist forces of the Maidan, it will be possible to ensure international and inter-confessional peace and tranquility in Crimea," the Kremlin’s press service said in a statement. In addition, it is reported that Putin and Erdogan agreed to maintain contacts on this score at various levels.
      5. Siberian German
        Siberian German 6 March 2014 03: 38
        0
        this is not so - if all the Turks see that Crimea will be theirs then they will be glad all
    2. smel
      smel 5 March 2014 15: 57
      +2
      Ohhhh. This is not the last mess. Oh not the last !!!
    3. Manager
      Manager 5 March 2014 16: 27
      +5
      Quote: AVV
      Or as a last resort

      No extreme cases! We will no longer have such an opportunity.
    4. Su24
      Su24 5 March 2014 16: 37
      +8
      So, let's imagine one of the options for resolving the current situation - the preservation of the Crimea as part of Ukraine, with some expansion of autonomy after the referendum. Russian troops, respectively, leave the peninsula, retreating before the threats of Western states. It would seem that with such a development of events the issue of Crimea is frozen for an indefinite period. However, it is difficult to believe in the political stability of Ukraine in the coming years, so the present situation could well be repeated - and then, with the second stage, Russia could finally take the Crimea into its composition (and possibly part of the eastern regions). This option seems to be quite far-sighted - especially if now, with the first stage, it would have turned Ukraine into a federal state. Then, after the final division into East and West, no one would have doubts about the legitimacy of what happened.


      I don’t understand what is far-sighted here. Leaving Crimea in order to return again - why? Crimea is already under our control, as they say - "they don't look for good from good." The division of Ukraine into two parts is also not the best option. Having erected the border, we will immediately get a new NATO member at hand. It is much better to take the southeast of federalized Ukraine under an unofficial protectorate, and then spread its influence further west.
      1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
        Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 5 March 2014 18: 58
        +1
        But about NATO when Ukraine is divided, you are wrong. The West does not recognize such a division and, consequently, Ukraine will have "territorial problems" and it will not be possible to deploy NATO bases. Well, as for the supply of weapons, there is nothing to do - I will supply and actively.
    5. vo.dum
      vo.dum 5 March 2014 16: 53
      +8
      If after everything that happened Crimea will not become Russian it will mean only one thing ... Putin caved in ... it will be very insulting ...
    6. sds555
      sds555 5 March 2014 16: 56
      +26
      A bit of humor laughing
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      2. kolobok63
        kolobok63 5 March 2014 17: 55
        +3
        Liked, but too much MAT !!!
        1. sds555
          sds555 5 March 2014 18: 29
          +2
          I agree, maybe then moders will clean
      3. jagdpanzer
        jagdpanzer 5 March 2014 18: 38
        +4
        Goebbels notes about it is strong !!! I neighing ... laughing
      4. Free Island
        Free Island 6 March 2014 11: 41
        0
        ahhahaaaaaaa! thanks, neighing like a horse heartily in all twenty-two teeth))
    7. 0251
      0251 5 March 2014 17: 06
      +6
      That is why, it will be more logical and correct now to help the Autonomous Republic of Crimea gain independence, and, if there is a desire, to join the Russian Federation without losing a great opportunity. This, of course, will cause a storm of indignation on the part of Western countries - we won’t have to wait for the recognition of the newly-minted republic, but in fact it does not change much. The example of South Ossetia and Abkhazia is still before us - the pseudo isolation of Russia will last 1-2 years, after which they will simply stop talking about this problem and everything will return to square one. Only now for the Russian Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation there is no need to worry more, as today there is no need to worry about the security of Ossetians and Abkhazians. That is why we need to get ahead of the events and accelerate the accession of Crimea to Russia and less to watch what Europe and America say about this.
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    9. SHAKESPEARE
      SHAKESPEARE 5 March 2014 19: 01
      +1
      See a live report from Dobass, The Capture of the Donetsk Regional State Administration.
      http://novosti.dn.ua/details/219438/
    10. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 6 March 2014 01: 25
      0
      Quote: AVV
      Therefore, no interim decisions are needed here and on March 30 there should be a referendum and the question is whether the Crimeans want to be part of the Russian Federation ??? Or in a pinch as a separate independent state !!!


      Until March 30th, as much as 25 days. Margelov, at one time, was only one brigade of the Airborne Forces during this time, just to finish the armed rebellion in this ridiculous country. Now imagine what a nuclear power or a military bloc can do ... I would not really expect everything to go smoothly in a referendum, including before and after it.
  2. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 5 March 2014 14: 25
    +3
    "Survive. Terek Front" - to re-read, or what? ..
    1. tungus
      tungus 5 March 2014 16: 04
      +6
      Better "the era of the dead."
  3. Clegg
    Clegg 5 March 2014 14: 29
    -9
    secret correspondence between the Lviv radicals and the leaders of the Crimean Tatars, in which the ultra-radicals asked the Tatars to prepare weapons for them so that they would come to Crimea and "deal with" everyone.
    Link please?

    It is clear that having strengthened so much, Turkey, which even now does not always act according to the official course of NATO,
    Erdogan under the cap of the Americans, without looking back at Washington, he will not do anything
  4. Clegg
    Clegg 5 March 2014 14: 35
    +2
    The Turkish Air Force flew eight F-4 fighters into the air on the afternoon of March 16, which flew to intercept a Russian reconnaissance aircraft flying along the Turkish Black Sea coast, Reuters reported.

    According to the Turkish side, the situation was resolved without complications: the Russian plane remained in international airspace, and Turkish pilots only accompanied it.
    1. 222222
      222222 5 March 2014 16: 34
      +15
      The usual flight on the usual route of the usual IL-20 conventional orthbr OSNAZ .. What kind of panic ????
  5. Zhenya
    Zhenya 5 March 2014 15: 47
    +17
    It is Turkey that will get its teeth for the 10th time; history does not teach this country.
    1. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 6 March 2014 01: 05
      +3
      And the Maidans are happening because the presidents of Ukraine work inefficiently. How does Turkey live and how does Ukraine? But they initially had similar data on the territory, population, geographical location ...
      Turkey has the best:
      lifespan
      resorts
      army
      DIC
      wealth
      and so on
      Even Erdogan suppresses his rallies and successfully copes with the Kurds.
      And he escaped from Ukraine ...

      So the people took power. Whatever Bandera’s would be with 2 arms and legs — where was the propaganda and work with them? Let it drift away, and new fascists formed on the Slavic lands ... Do you think these 90-old people have survived from Hitler’s time? Not. This did not work the Ukrainian government. INCLUDING from among Russians. Which 23 years assimilated and did nothing to change the situation.

      This is what Putin said about everything. He said clearly - on the ground, people also have to do something before relying on the Russian army ...
  6. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 5 March 2014 15: 48
    +22
    from the Don.
    I think Ukraine should say goodbye to Crimea! Moreover, holding a referendum on Crimea may happen earlier than March 30! Hit the iron while it's hot!
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 5 March 2014 16: 05
      +3
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      , referendum in Crimea may occur earlier than March 30!

      Will not be before. March 30 final decision ...
      1. borisjdin1957
        borisjdin1957 5 March 2014 17: 46
        +1
        From the Don.
        I did not take the referendum before March 30 from the ceiling! Http: //politikus.ru/articles/14108-aksenov-referendum-o-statuse-kryma-mo
        zhet-proyti-ranshe-30-marta.html
    2. does it
      does it 5 March 2014 19: 49
      +1
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      Strike while the iron is hot!

      What is true is true.
  7. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 5 March 2014 15: 51
    +9
    The task is difficult, let's wait until March 30 ...
  8. Stas57
    Stas57 5 March 2014 15: 53
    0
    If Russia does not solve the issue of Crimea, then Turkey will decide it

    this is absolutely true, Turkey "rightly" considers the Caucasus and the Crimea its interests.
  9. NikoEro
    NikoEro 5 March 2014 15: 55
    +3
    Erdogan, although he is Washington’s protector, is an extremely self-willed person. But even so, Turkey will not climb into the Crimea, because for her, the face in the international arena is much more important, and in the event of aggression his Asian partners will be able to stain him. In 2008, Turkey was generally ready to attack the Russian Federation in connection with the conflict in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, this is information from our intelligence agencies. Then we would not be able to respond commensurate to aggression, now the situation is slightly different, Turkey is not so actively mobilizing its armed forces, and the Russian Federation is already ready for a possible attack from the South. Do not think that our command is so naive as to forget about the most powerful Turkish army, which, by the good, is the strongest in the region. But no one will allow Erdogan to take a step, and so he is always struggling with something, and then there is also a front to open. It is dearer to itself, an imaginary threat nevertheless. But still. Good article, expanding the geography of the current situation.
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 5 March 2014 16: 03
      +5
      Do not think that our command is so naive as to forget about the most powerful Turkish army, which, by the good, is the strongest in the region.

      I will clarify

      there is one small but ...
      namely, the internal politics of Erdogan, who, fighting a possible coup d'etat and a military coup actually knocked out the strongest military elite,
      But one should not forget that Turkey has been a NATO member since the 52 of the year, and there are few who want to get involved in the 3 world because of Erdogan.
      Yes, and of course, getting into the war for the Crimea, the Turks run the risk of running into huge troubles with the Kurds (I’m sure that there will be good intentions for independent Kurds right there), but they’d better keep the Kurds than fight for Crimea
  10. RUSS
    RUSS 5 March 2014 15: 56
    +6
    Most likely, Crimea's entry into Russia will be smooth and can stretch for a year or more, first you need to smoothly and peacefully leave Ukraine, prepare the "ground" for entry into Russia, but I think if (I really hope) Crimea will be independent after the referendum ( plebiscite), then legally it will be independent, but in fact it will be OURS!
  11. ZU-23
    ZU-23 5 March 2014 15: 56
    +4
    We fed the Turks wow people, Crimea in any case should be pro-Russian.
  12. TS3sta3
    TS3sta3 5 March 2014 15: 56
    +7
    Turkish society is split, a political crisis is brewing, the Turkish people do not support their own government and are easily amenable to provocations in organizing unrest, there are problems with territorial integrity, which does not suit Turkish ethnic Kurds. Turkey could not consolidate on the issue of Syria - Turkey’s own population oppose the war. even the project for organizing a pan-Turkist alliance did not move beyond conversations and stalled safely. what Crimea is there, we would survive.
    1. dmb
      dmb 5 March 2014 16: 27
      +5
      Sometimes, in order to survive, they arrange a war. A great opportunity: to strangle the opposition (not patriots, 5th column), to write off your own stupidity and inability to lead the country to external enemies, finally to consolidate the nation, to give it a national idea (ours are beaten). True "benefit" and temporary is achieved only with victories. In case of defeat, the leader may not have time to escape.
  13. super-vitek
    super-vitek 5 March 2014 15: 57
    +4
    And preferably not only with Crimea! I would like to see other regions loyal to us as part of Russia, and in western Ukraine to "fart" Transcarpathia towards the west !!! But everything should be within the limits of the right, so that the mosquito does not undermine the nose !!!
  14. Net
    Net 5 March 2014 15: 59
    +2
    One thing confuses me, why Putin, the Foreign Ministry and the Ministry of Defense deny the fact of blocking military units by the forces of the Ministry of Defense? Well, you can buy the "pixel" shape, but "Tigers", the latest modifications of the SVD ... We do not mind, but the local "fifth column" periodically travels to the places of deployment with video cameras and the monotonous question: "What are you doing here?" Maybe everything has already been decided and the West spit on the intrigues of local blokheers?
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 5 March 2014 16: 07
      +8
      Quote: Netto
      One thing confuses me, why Putin, the Foreign Ministry and the Defense Ministry deny the fact of blocking military units by the Defense Forces?

      GDP said we are not interfering. This is enough, in politics only fools shout openly about their actions.
    2. NikoEro
      NikoEro 5 March 2014 16: 12
      +9
      With the same success, one can ask a question to Mr. Kerry and Obama: why do some of the Maidanites speak American English without understanding Ukrainian speech and act extremely professionally for the spontaneously dissatisfied? I doubt that they will say: "ahhh, they caught the devils, but these are our guys, so you can't just walk in foreign lands." Why then should we open all the cards, besides it was clearly said that tiger cubs are a gift from kind people, weapons are sold in shops and in black markets, etc. etc. So the policy here is absolutely adequate, if only because it is reciprocal, not initiatory. The answer is comparable in ideology.
      1. both s69
        both s69 5 March 2014 16: 29
        0
        Quote: NikoEro
        what is the policy here is absolutely adequate, if only because it is reciprocal, and not initiatory. The answer is commensurate in ideology.

        Well said! good
        1. terran125
          terran125 5 March 2014 18: 53
          -1
          I don’t care if in Turkey every year the same thing happens that this hour in Ukraine only in favor of Russia (strait under control) repeat then we can talk about an adequate answer soldier
    3. Stas57
      Stas57 5 March 2014 16: 24
      +4
      Quote: Netto
      One thing confuses me, why Putin, the Foreign Ministry and the Ministry of Defense deny the fact of blocking military units by the forces of the Ministry of Defense? Well, you can buy the "pixel" shape, but "Tigers", the latest modifications of the SVD ... We do not mind, but the local "fifth column" periodically travels to the places of deployment with video cameras and the monotonous question: "What are you doing here?" Maybe everything has already been decided and the West spit on the intrigues of local blokheers?

      because it is known to the whole world, even to the last New Zealand farmer, but with the exception of the drugoi blogger, no one squeals and pretend that this is so.
      these are the rules of the game at the moment, and Putin could call them Martians, and all the world media, despite the squeals, will call them "the self-defense forces of the Martians."
      and what does it mean this suggests that we are no longer 90 Russia, and we can impose our own rules of the game.

      ps. Remember how the movie with Steven Ssigal about the train and satellites?
      they know that we have it, but they pretend they don’t know,
      we also know that they know that we have it and pretend that we do not know that they know it.
      they know that we know that they know that we have it and pretend we don’t know .... and so on
      1. corn
        corn 5 March 2014 19: 08
        0
        Stas 57 and Net too.
        And how do you like the option that some Russian oligarch, or better not a Russian one, bought weapons, equipment (cheaper for Russia) and ...
    4. Mentor
      Mentor 5 March 2014 19: 33
      +1
      Who knows, this Putin. Perhaps he absolutely honestly denies that the VL belongs to the Russian army. There is another country that is armed with "Tigers" and the latest modifications of the SVD. Yes, and Slavic faces wink
  15. Vtel
    Vtel 5 March 2014 16: 02
    +11
    Crimea, it smells of Rus there - the Turks have nothing to catch there, let them take a textbook on the history of Russia. And the Crimean Tatars are easier and smarter to become Russian Tatars - it is both easier and more reliable than jumping on a stick and dreaming about Crimea-Tatarstan.
  16. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 5 March 2014 16: 07
    +10
    Crimea must be defended no matter what it costs us! otherwise the descendants of this will never forgive us ..
  17. ed65b
    ed65b 5 March 2014 16: 08
    +6
    The author distorts and does not own info.
    After that, the hackers posted on the Internet a secret correspondence between the Lviv radicals and the leaders of the Crimean Tatars, in which the ultra-radicals asked the Tatars to prepare weapons for them so that they would come to Crimea and “deal with” everyone.

    This correspondence was posted on the network only at the very beginning of the Maidan - this time.
    the number of Crimean Tatars in the structure of the population of Crimea increased from 1,6% at the time of the collapse of the USSR to 12,1% in 2001.

    The number of Tatars has grown due to returnees from the republics of the SA. in percentage terms, these 12% 300.000 can not be compared with the Russians and Ukrainians. These are two.
    The Crimean Tatars have already shown their desire to reunite with Turkey: when the unrest began in Crimea, they even entered into a fight with the Russian protesters, but soon realized that they did not have enough forces to counter it.
    The Tatar population of Crimea is not at all homogeneous and those who came out to fight are the terrorist "Hizbut Tahrir" (which will be 100% banned by the new Crimean authorities) and the "Mejlis" which does not represent the entire Tatar people at all. is three.
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 5 March 2014 16: 37
      +4
      Quote: ed65b
      Deutero juggles and does not own info


      The author does not just distort, the article, I think, is clearly provocative.
      The official position of Russia is to maintain the territorial integrity of Ukraine, the task is to ensure free elections while maintaining interests total populationchange support autonomyCrimea through a referendum.
      No connectionsNow, the main thing is to expand the autonomy of Crimea, having the opportunity to conclude international treaties, Crimea,practically, and so will become Russian.
      And then ....Why marry, if a girl already gives? laughing
    2. VAF
      VAF 5 March 2014 17: 20
      +4
      Quote: ed65b
      The Tatar population of Crimea is not at all homogeneous and those who came out to fight are the terrorist "Hizbut Tahrir" (which will be 100% banned by the new Crimean authorities) and the "Mejlis" which does not represent the entire Tatar people at all. is three.


      That's right, +! drinks But ... you think that Mr. Minnikhanov came only to ... "to talk about ... the economy" lol
  18. nemec55
    nemec55 5 March 2014 16: 09
    +1
    That's right, you can’t retreat money. Therefore, the referendum will not be held in May or March 30th, but even earlier. For now, iron is hot.
    Everyone really understands both the west and the east, EVERYTHING, the Russian Crimea. Here they only resist the bastards, well, that's understandable, they will survive.
  19. Wirt0
    Wirt0 5 March 2014 16: 11
    +8
    Dam .. Crimean Tatars need to be closely monitored. hell knows what they can throw out, since they talk with the Natsiks and promise support.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 5 March 2014 23: 13
      0
      Quote: Wirt0
      Crimean Tatars must be closely monitored. hell knows what they can throw out, since they talk with the Natsiks and promise support.
      ----- in the Crimea, sho, there are no more quarries ????????
  20. Shefango
    Shefango 5 March 2014 16: 12
    +1
    I don’t think that Turkey will intervene, it now has enough of its own problems.
  21. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 5 March 2014 16: 12
    +7
    Judging by the way V.V. Putin conducts his game, a simple combination with the Crimea is unlikely to take place, there will most likely be a filigree and accurate composition of several multi-running combinations for the ultimate goal of the President is Ukraine .. Crimea thinks in this the situation, the question has been resolved .. Here are such thoughts ... Vladimir Vladimirovich plays very well, he takes pride
    1. both s69
      both s69 5 March 2014 16: 32
      +3
      Quote: plotnikov561956
      Vladimir Vladimirovich plays very well, takes pride

      Chess, probably indulging in leisure ...
      lol good
  22. parusnik
    parusnik 5 March 2014 16: 14
    +2
    What to guess .. Turkey intervenes, does not intervene .. wait, everything will depend on the development of events in the southeast .. the maidanutye southeast will not be suppressed .. The situation will be different with Crimea, it will have to suppress it will have to think differently ..
  23. RUSS
    RUSS 5 March 2014 16: 16
    +4
    Quote: ed65b
    The author distorts and does not own info.


    The author is Armenian, and therefore distorts, they love to "troll" each other.
    1. ultra
      ultra 5 March 2014 16: 35
      +2
      Quote: RUSS
      The author is Armenian, and therefore distorts, they love each other to "troll"

      I wanted to write the same thing! laughing What the author describes is unrealistic in the short term. hi
  24. Havoc
    Havoc 5 March 2014 16: 17
    +2
    According to President Nazarbayev, Turkey wants to join the Customs Union.
    1. ultra
      ultra 5 March 2014 16: 38
      +3
      Quote: Havoc
      Turkey wants to join the Customs Union.

      She wants to join the European Union, and all this talk to speed up the process! hi
      1. alone
        alone 5 March 2014 19: 34
        +4
        laughing Like adults, they began to heatedly discuss what is not and cannot be. Turkey recognizes the territorial integrity of Ukraine. Turks in Crimea have economic interests (a tourist zone, how they can create tourist centers, everyone knows) and cultural interests (with Tatars). And all. It is not difficult to understand that the author, Leonid Nersisyan-Armenian by nationality, clearly provokes interstate and interethnic relations between Turkey and Russia.
        Even in a dream, the Turks do not give these Armenians peace. Are you accustomed to blaming the Turks everywhere for everything? Maybe the Crimean earthquake in 1927 was also the work of Turkey?
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 5 March 2014 19: 46
          +2
          In fact, Turkey remains the most silent country in the Crimean issue!
          Russians should be grateful to Turkey in this situation. But as always, the half-witted are full on the site! hi
  25. DPN
    DPN 5 March 2014 16: 17
    +7
    If the Crimeans got such happiness, there is an opportunity to return home to Russia, then we ask you to be welcome, there may not be another case, the choice is theirs.
  26. bistrov.
    bistrov. 5 March 2014 16: 23
    +11
    Crimea is definitely Russian land and its place is only part of Russia. There are no intermediate stages, such as a separate republic. Referendum: - only to Russia! But do not forget about southern and eastern Ukraine. Here you can still create a separate, independent republic, with subsequent accession to Russia. Create it at least to give legitimacy to a referendum on self-determination. The fact is that in the separation of the Crimea there will inevitably be difficulties with supplying it with electricity and water, and with transport links. He receives both of them from mainland Ukraine and the roads go through it, and the creation of alternative sources and paths will require large expenditures and time. In any case, these issues need to be well thought out and act quickly and clearly. I don’t really like how things are going in eastern and southern Ukraine. It is necessary to block there any influence of the illegal Kiev pro-American regime.
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 5 March 2014 16: 48
      +5
      Quote: bistrov.
      No intermediate stages, such as a separate republic. Referendum: - only to Russia!


      Do not forget that this is Ukraineand not some kind of vicious Romania or Poland.
      You can’t deal with Ukraine as a conquered country. There are none, and they are brothers. You can quarrel with relatives, but no fights to the blood.
      1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
        Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 5 March 2014 19: 30
        +3
        It is not good for a relative to appropriate and try to hold on to what has always belonged to another and only happened to happen to him.
    2. corn
      corn 5 March 2014 18: 58
      -1
      bistrov
      Quote
      "Referendum: - only to Russia!"

      1. There is no place of residence in your profile. By flag you are a citizen of Ukraine.
      On March 2.6-7, the legitimate government of Crimea will adopt the wording of the issue submitted to the referendum.
      3. The legitimate government of Russia, at the moment, sees Crimea as part of Ukraine.
      You have the right to express your opinion, but, thank God, that you will not make the decision.
      1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
        Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 5 March 2014 19: 33
        +3
        It is not a fact that the Russian government sees Crimea as part of Ukraine. Rather, the opposite. What diplomats and sometimes top officials say is often not at all what they intend to do.
  27. Burberry
    Burberry 5 March 2014 16: 23
    +6
    Quote: plotnikov561956
    ... Vladimir Vladimirovich plays very well, takes pride

    I liked the "teachings" of our troops the most. :)
  28. gfs84
    gfs84 5 March 2014 16: 24
    +4
    Well, isn’t it.
    They are doing everything for Russia to introduce troops ...
    And who after this kindles a war ?!

    In the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, they registered a bill defining the country's course towards NATO membership, prepared by deputies from the Fatherland faction, which believes that "non-aligned status of Ukraine did not bring security guarantees to the country." The draft document proposes amendments to the Law “On the Fundamentals of National Security of Ukraine” and the Law “On the Fundamentals of Domestic and Foreign Policy”, according to which Euro-Atlantic integration and joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization as a foreign policy strategy of Ukraine are enshrined at the legislative level, ITAR-TASS reports.

    Quickly they forgot about their non-bloc status ...
  29. RUSS
    RUSS 5 March 2014 16: 24
    +1
    Quote: Havoc
    According to President Nazarbayev, Turkey wants to join the Customs Union.


    Turkey itself does not know what and where it wants, they want in the EU and there was infa that in the SCO and the CU, at the same time they strive for hegemony in the Middle East, flirting with the Arabs from the Gulf as opposed to Iran. And according to Nazarbayev, it is clear that he wants to see his "older sister" or even "mother" - Turkey in the TS.
  30. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 5 March 2014 16: 25
    +4
    Here it is necessary to act firmly and thoughtfully. A very important policy issue in relation to the Crimean Tatars. They should become loyal to local authorities, and local authorities, in turn, loyal to Russia (this is at least). We should not be poor relatives in Crimea and beg for conditions for our fleet to stay there. It is necessary to correct the idiotic historical mistakes of Khrushchev and Yolkin. Over the Crimea shed a lot of Russian blood.
  31. Stas57
    Stas57 5 March 2014 16: 32
    +1
    By the way, and not a word about Kazakhstan?
    And there, IMHO, the same got nervous at the top, Nazar-bye arrives on the 10 of March to Moscow.

    Kazakhstan has Baikonur, many Russians and various problems. bully
    There is infa from the field, enlighten what they write there?
  32. TAMERLAN 7
    TAMERLAN 7 5 March 2014 16: 34
    +2
    For clarity:
    (If something has changed - I apologize)
    The number of personnel of the Turkish Armed Forces, not counting reservists, is 720 thousand people (2011). A military-trained reserve of up to 90 people can be used for mobilization in wartime, including 000 - a reserve of the first stage.
    Ground troops (Türk Kara Kuvvetleri) are subordinate to the commander-in-chief of the SV and number 391000 people, there were 3363 tanks (731 Leopards and junk), 4625 BBMs, 6110 barrels (self-propelled guns, MLRS, AS ..).
    Air Force:
    The number of personnel is 60 thousand people.
    Combat aircraft - 21 squadrons:
    fighter-bomber - 8
    fighter air defense - 7
    reconnaissance - 2
    combat training - 4.
    Auxiliary aircraft - 11 squadrons:
    transport - 5
    training - 5
    refueling - 1.
    208 F-16, the rest is junk F-4, F-5!
    Navy:
    14 submarines, 19 frigates, 7 corvettes.


    Are you scared? soldier Of course, NATO is behind them, but NATO itself is scared. No.


    Elephant and Pug

    They drove through the streets of the Elephant
    As you can see,
    It’s known that Elephants are a curiosity with us -
    So crowds of onlookers followed the Elephant.
    From nowhere, meet Moska them.
    Seeing the Elephant, well, to him to rush,
    And bark, and scream, and tear,
    Well, that's how he gets into a fight with him.
    "Neighbor, stop being shameful,"
    10 Her mongrel says: “Do you care about the Elephant?
    Look, you wheeze, and he goes to himself
    Forward
    And she doesn’t notice your barking at all. ”-
    "Eh, eh!" Moska answers her:
    “That's what gives me the spirit,
    That I, completely without a fight,
    I can get into big bullies.
    Let the dogs say:
    “Ay, pug! know she is strong
    What barks at the Elephant! ”
  33. Gagarin
    Gagarin 5 March 2014 16: 38
    +1
    If I am not mistaken, there is an agreement between Russia and Turkey since the time of Catherine.
    Conditions say that if Russia completely loses Crimea, the Turks will be the first to inherit.
    Ukraine used Crimea as a member of the CIS, which was the heir to Russia and the USSR.
    Completely moving away from Russia to Europe, Ukraine is losing the right to Crimea.
    Something like this.
    1. corn
      corn 5 March 2014 18: 46
      +1
      You are mistaken, because the current Turkey is not the legal successor of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire, as a subject of international law, has disappeared, which means there are no agreements with it. The contract was concluded between the Russian Empire and the Ottoman Empire.
      I am not a historian, I can be confused in particulars, but, in fact, somewhere like this
  34. Naum
    Naum 5 March 2014 16: 42
    +5
    Quote: Vtel
    Crimea-Tatarstan.

    Crimea? This is their old dream - to revive the predatory khanate, which for three hundred years plundered southern Russia (the present lands of southern Russia and Ukraine). Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Russian Polonyans passed through the slave markets of Kafa (Feodosia). The Krymchaks confirmed their "loyalty" to Russia in 1942-3, actively helping the fascists suppress the partisan resistance in the Crimea and personally participating in punitive operations (like their ideological brothers-Bandera) .Stalin was three times right to put them all in the cars. not to Kazakhstan they should have been deported, but outside Russia, to the very same Turkey, to their historical owners. Now the predators are hiding and are preparing to jump on the back of the Russian Crimea. You should never let them out of sight! And do not trust anyone. They respect only strength and only reckon with it!
  35. andrei332809
    andrei332809 5 March 2014 16: 42
    +1
    then Turkey will decide

    the cheek won't crack?
  36. Galan
    Galan 5 March 2014 16: 44
    +4
    What does the Turkish Republic have to do with Crimea? In 1774, Empress Catherine II concluded with "... His Saltanov in-vom, the most respectable saltans, the great and most respectable king of the most humble, Mecca and Medina and the protector of Holy Jerusalem, the king and emperor of the most extensive provinces settled in the countries of Europe and Assy, and in White and The Black Sea by the brightest and most powerful and greatest emperor, Saltan, the son of the Saltans, and the king and son of kings, Saltan Abdul Hamid Khan, the son of Saltan Ahmed Khan "Kuchuk-Kaynardzhi peace treaty. As far as we know, Turkey did not declare that it is the legal successor of the Ottoman Empire (otherwise it will have to be responsible for the Armenian genocide, which I really don't want to). So she does not and will not have any rights to the Crimea, at least legal, but about the Crimean Tatars, they are their brothers both by faith and by blood on the Volga.
  37. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 5 March 2014 16: 45
    +5
    What kind of grass is smoked by onalitegs. Yesterday, some stupid person (to put it mildly) said that the Ukrainian Hetman Sagaidachny with the aircraft carrier George HW Bush entered the Black Sea on March 3. The aircraft carrier is accompanied by seventeen other ships and three submarines that passed through the Aegean Sea on March 3. The carrier is also said to carry 90 aircraft on board, including helicopters of various types, and several F-22 Raptor fighters. Each submarine has twenty-four missile silos for launching nuclear warheads.
    After that, all the Svidomo maydauns screamed with joy, screaming that Russia was over, and America would restore order.
    http://censor.net.ua/news/274090/flagman_vms_ukrainy_sagayidachnyyi_vernulsya_v_

    chernoe_more_vo_glave_avianosnoyi_gruppy_vms_ssha


    Today it turned out that somewhere along the road "Sagaidachny" accidentally lost an armada of American ships - maybe it accidentally sunk it, having driven it to the shallows?

    Today they started to frighten Turkey. And Turkey needs it, ask yourself? Turkey is not accepted into the EU, Turkey has its own Maidan for the second year, in Turkey the Kurds, who now have an official base in Iraq, where they are welcomed with open arms by their fellow tribesmen. Turkey was unable to deal with Syria, while the "Syrian Express" works like a clock, bringing all the necessary "goodies" to Assad's troops. And you say Turkey. Yes, if Turkey suddenly announces any claims to Crimea, then tomorrow some Onishchenko will find some kind of virus in Turkish resorts and ban the entry of tourists there, which the Turkish economy may not be able to withstand. Or does Turkey need a war to lose the holiday season? Moreover, everyone now perfectly understands that they will have to deal not with impoverished Ukraine and its dead "army", but with Russia, so Erdogan called Putin yesterday and said that everything was calm ...
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 5 March 2014 16: 47
      +3
      What kind of grass do these onalitags smoke.

      Yes, everything is fine, the usual info-war, and it is also important not to lose it by the way))
    2. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin 5 March 2014 16: 57
      +1
      Hetman Sagaidachny with aircraft carrier George HW Bush. The aircraft carrier is accompanied by seventeen other ships and three submarines that passed through the Aegean Sea on March 3. The carrier is also said to carry 90 aircraft on board, including helicopters of various types, and several F-22 Raptor fighters. Each submarine has twenty-four missile silos for launching nuclear warheads.

      ... about 30 minutes ??? laughter and only .... Turkey nuclear ships in the World Cup will not miss the amusement ......
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  38. Agent 008
    Agent 008 5 March 2014 16: 47
    -5
    In the last two days I see - Putin spoke! But I don’t like something, what he says and how ... Some kind of insincerity, a fake smile on his face! He babbles something about the fact that it is already necessary to negotiate with the rebels, again to give billions to Kiev! What is it? Politics? I believe that now America and the West are enemies! Why these fake smiles? Crimea should be ours, and Eastern Ukraine separately from Western ... It will not be our way, then it will be as America wants! There’s already talked about deploying a missile defense system near Kiev! And this is just the beginning ... How would Putin not outwit himself ...
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 5 March 2014 16: 54
      +2
      Agent 008

      That's right,agent, I even guess whose.
      1. VPO
        VPO 5 March 2014 17: 05
        -5
        Yes, he wrote everything right. + We ate GDP. All the accumulations of our "managers" are overseas. What can we talk about. What is the victory in the form of Crimea? We already have NATO and the Americans on the border, and you are happy about the Crimea. The country has been merged long ago, now it remains to fight back at the border and rejoice in trifles. Well, even if a miracle happens and the Crimeans leave for the Russian Federation. And for example, the Americans will stand near Kharkov, it's like "victory". 2 weeks did not write anything on the site, some urapatriots rejoicing for something incomprehensible. Then what? In a couple of three years, BlackWater will be running around the Krasnodar Territory and you will remember the Crimea. This is a grandiose failure of the Russian Federation's policy towards the neighboring fraternal country.
    2. Kazakh
      Kazakh 5 March 2014 17: 50
      +2
      In the last two days I see - Putin spoke! But I don’t like something, what he says and how ... Some kind of insincerity, a fake smile on his face!
      with them the only way a smile is courtesy and a knife in the bosom and with an open visor with a pig it is better not to talk
  39. Lissyara
    Lissyara 5 March 2014 16: 49
    +3
    I recall the words of Potemkin.
    “Ours, thanks to God, asked the Turks such a pepper, which is nice. Thanks to Fedor Fedorovich, ”Prince Potemkin so enthusiastically responded to this victory.
    And in our time, there will certainly be Usak Pasha (as the Turks called him).
    PS This is also a hint to the French ... Nobody forgot about Corfu Island either.
    And the "lord of the seas" (at that time) from the Foggy Albion still remembers P.S. Nakhimov.
  40. inkass_98
    inkass_98 5 March 2014 16: 51
    +2
    Quote: AVV
    Another major project is the development of its own 5-generation TFX fighter, which is scheduled to appear in the 2020 year.

    Has the "Great Aviation Power" at least one aircraft independently developed and built? Apparently there arose a secret school of designers, which no one knew about.
  41. Rostovchanin
    Rostovchanin 5 March 2014 17: 01
    +4
    I will support Crimea this year personally !!! I’ll go on vacation and take them a thousand and a half bucks !!!! laughing
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 5 March 2014 17: 24
      0
      Quote: Rostovchanin
      I will support Crimea this year personally !!! I’ll go on vacation and take them a thousand and a half bucks !!!! laughing

      I envy! I would also go .. If everything goes according to plan ... Tourists from Russia will be the most desirable and respected (and not just for the money) I think that Crimea will make big investments in infrastructure and defense .. Well, God forbid, everything worked out for Putin as conceived!
    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 5 March 2014 17: 24
      0
      Quote: Rostovchanin
      I will support Crimea this year personally !!! I’ll go on vacation and take them a thousand and a half bucks !!!! laughing

      I envy! I would also go .. If everything goes according to plan ... Tourists from Russia will be the most desirable and respected (and not just for the money) I think that Crimea will make big investments in infrastructure and defense .. Well, God forbid, everything worked out for Putin as conceived!
  42. Navy7981
    Navy7981 5 March 2014 17: 02
    0
    Or maybe it's all the machinations of Turkey ??? No.
  43. old rocket man
    old rocket man 5 March 2014 17: 04
    +6
    Erdogan is well aware that no matter how strong Turkey and its position at the moment, it will never become as strong as Russia. He also understands that Russia will never reconcile with the capture of Crimea by Turkey. This will be a constant problem until then. until Turkey, in the end, is defeated, as a result of which Turkey will lose not only the Crimea, but also the Armenian Highlands, Kurdistan, and, possibly, the straits coupled with the European part of Turkey.
    1. Alexandr0id
      Alexandr0id 5 March 2014 19: 20
      +2
      ridiculous, reasoning at the level of 1877, when there were ri with 70 million Russian people and oi with 6 million Turks on board, at that time Russia was close to straits and other resort places, allied with Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks and other Montenegrins and huge losses attributed to frost and runny nose. 140 years have passed and now there are 140 million Russia with millions of drunks and drug addicts and the just-begun correction of self-consciousness after a successful Olympics, and 75 million Turkey with a generally healthy and energetic population. Armenian highlands are lost for Armenians forever, because it was given to the Kurds, who were actually Armenians and genocide by order of the Sultan, and the independent Kurdistan has already become a Turkish project and is seen within the borders of Iraqi Kurdistan under the protectorate of Turkey.
      Turkey will not climb into Crimea equestrianly, crowded and armed in any situation, it’s just stupid, they still didn’t have enough time to participate in the Ukrainian civil war for a knowingly unprofitable region. in this sense, the very Kirkuk with the Turkoman population, oil rigs and collapsed Iraq as an opponent seems much more interesting, and even that is not so obvious and clumsy as we or the Americans.
      1. nomad74
        nomad74 5 March 2014 20: 25
        0
        Quote: Alexandr0id
        ridiculous, reasoning at the level of 1877, when there were ri with 70 million Russian people and oi with 6 million Turks on board, at that time Russia was close to straits and other resort places, allied with Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks and other Montenegrins and huge losses attributed to frost and runny nose. 140 years have passed and now there are 140 million Russia with millions of drunks and drug addicts and the just-begun correction of self-consciousness after a successful Olympics, and 75 million Turkey with a generally healthy and energetic population. Armenian highlands are lost for Armenians forever, because it was given to the Kurds, who were actually Armenians and genocide by order of the Sultan, and the independent Kurdistan has already become a Turkish project and is seen within the borders of Iraqi Kurdistan under the protectorate of Turkey.
        Turkey will not climb into Crimea equestrianly, crowded and armed in any situation, it’s just stupid, they still didn’t have enough time to participate in the Ukrainian civil war for a knowingly unprofitable region. in this sense, the very Kirkuk with the Turkoman population, oil rigs and collapsed Iraq as an opponent seems much more interesting, and even that is not so obvious and clumsy as we or the Americans.


        Right! 100500
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  44. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 5 March 2014 17: 08
    0
    Quote: AVV
    Or as a last resort as a separate independent state !!!

    good And then accept Russia as an autonomous republic. There are examples of Buryatia, Yakutia!
  45. upasika1918
    upasika1918 5 March 2014 17: 13
    0
    The author is a provocateur.
  46. bubla5
    bubla5 5 March 2014 17: 27
    +1
    Come on, the Turks have their own Crimea in the ass, Kurdistan
  47. Agent 008
    Agent 008 5 March 2014 17: 28
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    Quote: old rocket
    Agent 008

    That's right,agent, I even guess whose.

    Are you a liberal? Then everything is clear!
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 5 March 2014 17: 58
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      Quote: Agent 008
      Are you a liberal? Then everything is clear


      Do you, Rashid, even understand what a liberal is?
      The liberal (liberalist), judging by your comment, is what you are.
      Although I think it’s more from a lack of intelligence than from a political orientation laughing
  48. RUSS
    RUSS 5 March 2014 17: 33
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    Quote: Naum
    Only it wasn’t necessary to deport them to Kazakhstan, but outside of Russia, to the same Turkey, to their historical masters


    Yes, true to the Circassian brothers who "left" for Turkey in the century before last.
  49. ilya_82
    ilya_82 5 March 2014 17: 56
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    from 2015 it is planned to begin production of the Altay national tank

    Author is this serious? and about the fifth generation fighter? I, according to secret data, learned that by 2020 Turkey plans to launch the seller Doner-kebab-ohm into space
  50. Orakyl
    Orakyl 5 March 2014 18: 02
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    The author of the article, Nasredin, seems to have forgotten about a small nuance that Erdogan has problems in Turkey now, gently, above the roof. Yes, and they urgently need to join the EU, since Ukraine took their place in anticipation. Therefore, as they say, not in this life !!!