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West goes to the "Stalinist Bazaar" - to trade in Ukraine

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West goes to the "Stalinist Bazaar" - to trade in UkraineToday, as you may remember, I planned to talk about our internal problems in the context of the Ukrainian crisis. But we will have to retreat from the plan - because on this front, more and more urgent questions arise. Although, by the way, they have something to do with our internal flaws.


I want to draw your attention to how the last few days after the decision of Russia to send troops is changing the agenda of Western propaganda. That is, the tonality, of course, remains the same - we are branded as arsonists of the war, which is in the order of things. After all, if people in Ukraine are killed by Nazi "European integrators", and Russian Tanks they haven’t entered there yet, although they promised - Putin, of course, is the “arsonist”.

However, new notes appeared on this agenda. I will highlight two: threats and trade. And now we will see why this is the same thing. And why the second is more disturbing than the first.

Note one: threats.

There is nothing special, the usual arsenal.

At first, it was a threat to consider Putin a byaki, and Russians — wild barbarians. But since they still think so, such threats did not evoke a vivid response.

Then came the second wave: "we will give a decisive rebuff." Also without comment: our western brothers in reason are able to "fight back" only through the extermination of unarmed people and the bombing of peaceful cities. Russia, on the other hand, is crying out of this civilizational tradition.

And here is the third wave - “excommunication from civilization”. Hint was about "economic sanctions", but somehow quickly turned the topic - for what are such sanctions in the world of the victorious global economy? But the upcoming summer summit of G8 in Sochi boldly announced a boycott. Even under the guise of Russia as it were excluded from the "Big Eight" (where, by the way, our country is chairing this year). So in their dadzibao they signed: “G7”.

Something tells me that Putin’s reaction to this selfless demarche is easily calculated. Maybe once such a thing, we will also be expelled from the WTO?

But: “excommunication from civilization” is a completely different conversation. This is not really a threat, but ...

Note two: trade.

The “exception” of the G8 is trade, so to speak, in a big way.

In the sincere presentation of the West, Putin is such a savage king, longing to show off in a pinch in front of TV cameras in the company of the “elect” in the interval between undemocratic atrocities. Well, because there is no greater value, right? And Washington is just on the distribution of these values: it wants - favors, but it wants - and will select.

And now, putting up for auction this “highest value”, the West also designates its stake in the fuss around Ukraine. After all, there is a suspicion (confirmed by the Crimean experience) that the Russian intervention will stem the bloody chaos in Ukraine, will bring the “Ukrainian bridgehead” out of the operational functionality of the Third World War. And for some reason, our Western partners do not want to allow this - it follows from their actual position, if you do not pay attention to democratic verbiage.

This fact we must clearly state in our understanding.

However, trade is trade, so that one and the same product can offer different prices.

And here is one more note in the western information rhetoric: Putin, they say, simply takes what belongs to Russia by right. In this context, words like “provocation” or “invasion” disappear; on the part of Ukraine, “suddenly” some “Russians” are found — that is, something separate from “Ukrainians”. And - attention! - the very concept of "Ukraine" is replaced by the concept of "Crimea". And with a hint that "belonging by right" one can recognize also "East".

This is a specific trade in Ukraine. Playing on its dismemberment in the name of some "higher civilizational values."

Suppose, they say, these Russian maniacs choke with their Crimea and their Kharkov - if only they would leave Kiev and Lviv for us to nurture Nazism as the highest manifestation of advanced European thought. (However, the Nazis were more terrible than the current 70 years ago, they also thought that they had Ukraine. And Russia has experience in dealing with the Nazis correctly.)

What is characteristic: the opinion of Kiev clowns regarding this trade is of no interest to western curators at all.

But this is a misunderstanding of the logic of the "Stalin bazaar". For the "Stalinist bazaar" is never a trade.

***

So as of today, this “trade” is virtual. Because Russia does not take part in it.

And - I really hope - will not accept.

The task of Russia, as it is seen in the logic of its strategic interests, including Eurasian integration, is not to take the Crimea from Ukraine and something else, not to attach this “something” to the Russian Federation. Our task is to stop the Nazi lawlessness in Ukraine, protect our people, fulfill our mission as a guarantor of the sovereignty and integrity of Ukraine and take all of Ukraine from the West, and involve all of Ukraine in a constructive Eurasian project.

It may be tempting to bargain - and it is very natural for a significant “Europeanized” part of Russian “elites”.

But we must understand what we are selling in this case.

... And there is one circumstance that allows you not to breed panic. Observations on the behavior of Putin’s Russia in world politics, as they say, at a distance inspire such certainty: Comrade. Putin and his associates in the name of "universal values" do not pass. Even if some tactical steps cause alarm or misunderstanding, they still end up in the interests of the country. It is in our interests, in the interests of our children - Great Russians, Little Russians, including the Crimean Tatars.
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  1. Grbear
    Grbear 5 March 2014 11: 17
    +31
    It may be tempting to bargain - and it is very natural for a significant “Europeanized” part of Russian “elites”.


    This is the most dangerous for Russia. And Crimea and other Russian territories are not a subject for bargaining. stop . It's Russia.
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    2. skifd
      skifd 5 March 2014 14: 46
      +7
      Only the West realized that Russia was ready to play all-in, immediately began to cut rates, bargaining for a buyback.
    3. Tumbleweed
      Tumbleweed 5 March 2014 15: 11
      +14
      With all due respect to the author of the article, I do not have an analogy between the words "bazaar" and "Stalin" ... It is customary to bargain at the bazaar, but Stalin firmly and toughly pursued his policy and no one could bargain from him hi
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 5 March 2014 15: 32
        +6
        Quote: tumbleweed
        Stalin firmly and firmly pursued a policy and no one managed to bargain anything from him

        They said it right! Do not forget that thoughts must be stated clearly and truthfully.
        And always remember that the US goal has already been voiced, but not yet reached everyone!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P_4qowx8hI
    4. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 5 March 2014 16: 12
      +5
      Our task is to stop Nazi lawlessness in Ukraine, protect our people, fulfill our mission of guaranteeing the sovereignty and integrity of Ukraine and take away all of Ukraine from the West, and involve all of Ukraine in a creative Eurasian project. (from article)


      Why does Russia need the integrity of Ukraine?
      In Ukraine, there will never be order in the present borders, because it unites not unified. It is impossible to keep in one state called Ukraine antagonistic irreconcilable nations with different cultures, languages, religions.
      In this state, the existence of Russian and Russian-Ukrainian people with zapadentsy, Bandera is impossible.
      The division of Ukraine is a blessing for everyone and, above all, for Ukrainians.
      Therefore, the division of Ukraine into:
      - Western - Galicia;
      - central - Kiev;
      - South - East - Kharkov as part of Russia,
      the most favorable solution to the political crisis.
      Crimea is a separate song, it is not Ukraine, and it never has been, it should be part of Russia and restore the historical justice allowed by political criminals Khrushchev and Yeltsin.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 5 March 2014 18: 42
        0
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Why does Russia need the integrity of Ukraine?
        In Ukraine, there will never be order in the present borders, because it unites not unified. It is impossible to keep in one state called Ukraine antagonistic irreconcilable nations with different cultures, languages, religions.

        This problem was perfectly handled in the USSR, before the betrayal of the hunchbacked one!
        And it is not necessary to divide Ukraine, it is necessary to expel traders from power in the Russian Federation, and then by a national republican referendum to annex all post-Soviet republics to Russia, whose people want to live together.
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 5 March 2014 19: 14
          +3
          S_mirnov (4)
          This problem was perfectly handled in the USSR, ...


          They coped, coped and failed. Bandera until the mid-50s sat in the forests and enjoyed the support of the local population.
          And then realizing the futility of this type of struggle, they chose another option: to quietly promote their sons into the party, to power in order to achieve high posts, in order to destroy the state from the inside.
          Where do you think the "communists", "secretaries of the Communist Party of Ukraine" like Kravchuk, leaders like Kuchma, who tore Ukraine away from Russia? From those roots, Ukrainian nationalists.
          Zapadentsev, Bandera, Galicians who have lived for hundreds of years under the Poles and Austro-Hungarians, you can’t re-educate and destroy, and do not transplant.
          The only way out is to separate them from sin away so that the rest of the Ukrainian people are not balamuti.
          And to separate Russian, pro-Russian Ukrainians from pure frenzied Ukrainians such as Tymoshenko and her supporters, there will be no sense in their joint life, there will necessarily be an infringement of the rights of Russians.

          So that you are wrong. The common life in the USSR under the slogan "friendship of peoples" is a thing of the past. More than 20 years of life in different states have become an insurmountable barrier to living together in a single state.
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 5 March 2014 19: 55
            0
            Quote: vladimirZ
            then, realizing the futility of this type of struggle, they chose another option: to quietly promote their sons into the party, to power in order to achieve high posts in order to destroy the state from the inside.

            This is the KGB to blame. And missed the Soviet Union by the way, too!
            Quote: vladimirZ
            Where do you think the "communists", "secretaries of the Communist Party of Ukraine" like Kravchuk, leaders like Kuchma, who tore Ukraine away from Russia?

            From there, from where Gorbachev and Yeltsin. The KGB was first destroyed (more precisely, honest workers in the KGB, traitors remained), then the state. No other way!
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 5 March 2014 20: 15
              0
              S_mirnov (4)
              This is the KGB to blame. And missed the Soviet Union by the way, too!


              I agree the KGB is guilty, but the KGB cannot fight with all the people. Otherwise, it will result in the genocide of an entire nation.
              It is necessary to understand the Galicians different people, with a different culture, religion, language, mentality. They are other people, not ours, Western. You can’t fix them in any way. They are somewhat similar to the Baltic states, nationalism only multiplied by centuries-old slavery.
              At one time, they did not need to be added to the artificial education of Ukraine, as the shocking politician Zhirinovsky said, where they gathered everyone: Ukrainians, Russians, Galicians, Russians, etc. etc., and they were all called "Ukrainians". There would be no such headache for everyone now.
              1. vlum
                vlum 5 March 2014 20: 28
                0
                This headache would not be for everyone now.


                What are you ?! If you woke up in the morning, and nothing hurts you, then you have already died.
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 6 March 2014 12: 27
          0
          Well, let's flap your wings again. Someone will say HOW

          drive traders out of power in the Russian Federation


          And when will it be yet. And with eastern Ukraine and Crimea it is necessary to solve now.
  2. AVV
    AVV 5 March 2014 11: 27
    +18
    Only Western politicians are mistaken that Kiev will depart, Kievan Rus just started from here !!! And no Uro.dy there in the form of Keri can prevent this !!! The whole Southeast will live, work together with Russia !!!
  3. 111 soldier
    111 soldier 5 March 2014 14: 00
    +3
    Ah, where have you been before !! Russia will now taxi itself !!
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 5 March 2014 15: 32
      -4
      Well, the whole tsimes is now to at least take part in the taxiing process, because the helm slowly slips out of sweaty hands. And soon this nonsense may turn in such a way that the general people will finally explain to stupid Russia that the East and South of Ukraine are the original Russian lands, given away by the tyrants Lenin and Khrushchev to the artificially created state. And these lands can now be taken, the West democratically and generously permits. And the monuments to Lenin in Ukraine are demolished just by the patriots of Russia, who hate the leader for having deprived the great country of historical territories. laughing fool
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 5 March 2014 15: 36
        +1
        Quote: inkass_98
        the general people will finally explain to stupid Russia that the East and South of Ukraine are the original Russian lands, given away by the tyrants Lenin and Khrushchev to the artificially created state.

        What does Lenin have to do with it? Lenin, on the contrary, united states around Russia! Or do you think that Bender’s monuments to V.I. Lenin are destroyed as a thank you for the gift?
        "And the monuments to Lenin in Ukraine are demolished by patriots of Russia who hate the leader for having deprived the great country of historical territories." - go nuts bend! Those. Western Ukraine is overflowing with Russian patriots?
      2. polly
        polly 5 March 2014 17: 45
        +5
        Yes, Ilyich already tired of everything ... am
      3. waisson
        waisson 5 March 2014 20: 38
        0
        they are only with monuments and know how to fight mongrels Bendera -A MONUMENTS THAT MAKE IT BAD FOR THEM
  4. saag
    saag 5 March 2014 14: 00
    +3
    And how do I plan to stop this Nazi lawlessness? I know from history one way, but they’re obviously not going to use it and will not assemble it, the gut is thin
  5. Good cat
    Good cat 5 March 2014 14: 04
    +2
    I am for the fact that the Lviv region would go to Poland.
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER 5 March 2014 15: 14
      +9
      Quote: Good cat
      I am for the fact that the Lviv region would go to Poland.

      Especially when you consider that the Poles and Bandera fiercely hate each other.
      You can give it away, but only a lot in Lviv and normal people who just feel sorry for humanly ..
    2. Nikolaitch65
      Nikolaitch65 5 March 2014 17: 00
      +1
      I am for the fact that the Lviv region would go to Poland.

      you might think, we need Bandera Poland, they themselves will not be happy
    3. Nicholas
      Nicholas 5 March 2014 22: 10
      0
      Give the Poles Volhynia? Read the story !!!
  6. psychologist
    psychologist 5 March 2014 14: 08
    +5
    everywhere the West wants to stick their little hands !! but here they will be definitely broken !! they play out with their double standards! will grow a flawed generation on their own head! then certainly not a little!
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 5 March 2014 14: 33
      0
      Here it will be appropriate to mention our unforgettable V.S. Chernomyrdin, his statements can be attributed to the Ukrainian events and the participation of the West in them: "... your hands are itching, so scratch in another place!" (Not in Ukraine)
  7. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 5 March 2014 14: 09
    +12
    JV Stalin did not bargain with the Nazis, he destroyed them! soldier
  8. gfs84
    gfs84 5 March 2014 14: 10
    +5
    Trade is replaced by barter ...
    Zh8 exchange for a bridge to the Crimea:

    Russian Transport Minister Maxim Sokolov said that the construction of a bridge across the Kerch Strait will take at least 3,5 years, and its cost will be at least 50 billion rubles. “3,5 years is a minimum, although we have shown the shocking pace of building a bridge to Russky Island,” Mr. Sokolov quotes Prime. “The bridge is no less complicated here,” the minister said. “Even without the railway component, substantial financial resources are expected - at least 50 billion rubles. With the railway component, this figure will be greater, ”said Maxim Sokolov. 4-5 project options are being considered, the ministry specified. “The feasibility study will be ready by the end of this year. The construction can be financed either with the use of extra-budgetary sources, or at the expense of budgetary funds with a certain adjustment of the state program, ”the agency reports.

    I also propose to exchange the WTO for Kiev)))
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 5 March 2014 14: 37
      +4
      By F8 do you mean a hole in the thing I was thinking about? And is 8 the size or quantity of wp? Present to gays in Europe for free for general "use"!
      1. gfs84
        gfs84 5 March 2014 14: 54
        +2
        Exactly)
        Only with the number I gave the blunder Russia in this company there is no place)))
        Well, if only as a v.dreyulyatel)))
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 5 March 2014 15: 33
          0
          Then you need to write Ж7, where 7 is the favorite pose of supporters of European integration. You are, a new position in the Eurokamasutra.
      2. sabadg
        sabadg 5 March 2014 15: 05
        +2
        as Delyagin wrote on his website ... we are lucky if they ask from the WTO ... and those who initiate this should be buried with honors in the Kremlin wall in the future .... such savings will come for RUSSIA ... what thanks I have to say for that
    2. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 5 March 2014 19: 33
      0
      one bridge is only 36 times cheaper than the entire Olympics ?! he will probably be gold.
  9. v53993
    v53993 5 March 2014 14: 12
    +1
    How can we not recall the wise exclamation of Kisa Vorobyaninov: "Bargaining is inappropriate here!" Money for a barrel, gentlemen!
    Classics of the genre. But the gentlemen mentioned do not read smart books. They only re-read themselves, and even then rarely.
  10. be0560
    be0560 5 March 2014 14: 19
    +3
    I feel sorry for the Americans who each time elect inadequate presidents. And the pseudo-democracy that they are so proud of is nothing more than ordinary verbiage, reinforced by bayonets. I sympathize with you Mr. Obama. No politician from you ... Better change your profession - go to the wipers ...
    1. v53993
      v53993 5 March 2014 14: 21
      0
      I sympathize with you Mr. Obama. No politician from you ... Better change your profession

      They made them the good monkeys of the bad president, and now they are tormented.
    2. sabadg
      sabadg 5 March 2014 15: 08
      +1
      Well, who among the presidents was better than Obama? This one at least on time with Syria didn’t begin to aggravate .. he didn’t climb ... But a cowboy like Bush would have bombed for a long time and America would have on its ass a full set of adventures on land and in air and at sea ... So let's wait Pour Obama ... he even has a competent team ... they don’t go where they don’t have to ... So far
  11. Lesnik
    Lesnik 5 March 2014 14: 19
    0
    Trade will be unambiguous.
    But the results will be, let's say, not in the interests of the "dermocrats" hi
    Only the clinical oligophrenic does not understand that the "crap" will get the donut hole and not Ukraine laughing
    1. sabadg
      sabadg 5 March 2014 15: 12
      +1
      The referendum will solve everything ... the main thing is that the ORANGE-GUARDS would not come up with some kind of bloody trick ... they can’t build anything else ... to drag from the budget what’s bad and arrange club-like performance on a dachshund .... I hope with the militants then at least paid the tariff? From their pockets ... The organizers’s pockets are lighter ... they could have strengthened the budget for the year of Ukraine with their own funds ... from their foreign accounts ... Greed doesn’t give ... they also climb bugs ... It's only the beginning ... bully
  12. made13
    made13 5 March 2014 14: 22
    +4
    There is no democracy without power behind - not in vain Al Capone said that with a kind word and a gun you can achieve much more than just a kind word. Russia organized the exercises, the launch of ICBMs - can this sober up Yaytsenyuk and his puppeteers?
  13. Sergo Chita
    Sergo Chita 5 March 2014 14: 29
    +2
    Pseudo-rulers of Ukraine again threw everyone in Ukraine
    .
    Mr. Turchinov, in the presence of the ambassadors of the USA, Germany and Poland in Ukraine, signed a preliminary agreement with the IMF on the provision of financial assistance to Ukraine, according to which the entire gas transmission system of Ukraine from the moment of signing the final main agreement on financial assistance is transferred free of charge to the American company Chevron, the owners of Mariupolsky, Zaporizhzhya and Dnepropetrovsk metallurgical plants are required to transfer 50% of the shares of companies to the German company Ruhr, the coal production of Donbass is also transferred to the Finnish daughter of Ruhr.

    In addition to political requirements, the signed document contains a clause on the provision to the NATO bloc of territories near Kharkov for the deployment of American missile defense systems, as well as the American fighter aviation link for covering missile defense facilities.

    The source is the first deputy ambassador of the Czech Republic to Poland (http://ukr-press.ru/index.php?page=item&id=20).
    Why not bargain for the last thing

    *

    Klitschko-blue, on his lips the whole homosexual ananate on an Internet
    Yatsenyuk-Kinder surprise with a carrot
    homosexual avakov, orders boys, and whoever you can’t make out there
    such a pigeon
    1. gfs84
      gfs84 5 March 2014 14: 32
      +1
      Here is the answer:

      The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine categorically denied the information about negotiations on the deployment of the American missile defense system (ABM) in the country. It is reported by Interfax.

      “There are no such negotiations, and there was not even a hint of them,” assured Yevgeny Perebiynis, head of the Foreign Ministry’s information policy department. According to him, Ukraine and the United States only discuss the provision of financial assistance without any additional conditions.

      At the same time, information on the possible deployment of missile defense was denied by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. “I have not heard this statement, but if so, then we see another example of how, with the full connivance of our Western partners, those who are currently sitting in the Verkhovna Rada are trying to speculate on relations between the Russian Federation and the West. They are trying to aggravate these relations, hoping to catch something there in troubled waters, ”he said.

      Do not see the provocation maydanutyh)
    2. corn
      corn 5 March 2014 19: 44
      0
      Chitago Earring - PROVATOR

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      PS I will not delete the info in connection with a large number of comments - these are still people's opinions.
  14. nemec55
    nemec55 5 March 2014 14: 29
    +1
    Maybe not in the subject, but as Vladimir Vladimirovich said yesterday <Oh mlyayayaya and you know how many weapons there are in the Crimea passed to the government of Crimea, oh, there are a lot of them, and this and that type of just bastard> And what a cunning face it was, well, just ATAS laughing
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    2. nomad74
      nomad74 5 March 2014 20: 00
      +2
      Quote: nemec55
      Maybe not in the subject, but as Vladimir Vladimirovich said yesterday <Oh mlyayayaya and you know how many weapons there are in the Crimea passed to the government of Crimea, oh, there are a lot of them, and this and that type of just bastard> And what a cunning face it was, well, just ATAS laughing
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  15. Auralski
    Auralski 5 March 2014 14: 31
    +7
    Article plus, of course. But politics is the art of the possible, I cannot assess whether there are enough resources for pie in the sky. Putin is already so much clearing of the previous ones that a golden monument can be erected to him. But he will give his best, as always. We will help you as much as we can.
    1. demel2
      demel2 5 March 2014 15: 14
      +3
      Quote: AUralski
      . Putin already has so much rake heaped up

      Well, if the government would have dispersed the liberals, there would have been no price at all.
      1. matross
        matross 5 March 2014 16: 35
        0
        Quote: demel2
        still would have dispersed the liberals in the government

        I suppose, given the new situation, the government does not have much time left. As soon as one of them does not what is needed, or even just blather - immediately zvizdets! Dima will be put in charge of the court, the rest of the "economists" tries. Mattresses won't help!
  16. Sergo Chita
    Sergo Chita 5 March 2014 14: 36
    +1
    Obama was bent for Syria,
    and now he himself stood in the pose of Rex
    1. Sergo Chita
      Sergo Chita 6 March 2014 04: 01
      0
      Yesterday at Paris, Foreign Ministry Lavrov bent Kerry,
      after he went to the German Foreign Ministry to bend, they put the painting on the Agreement of 21.02.2014.
      The information war is very brutally changing the minds of the people.
      the junta’s move is simple, while the people will bicker among themselves,
      Kindersurprzhyzhid + Golubokavakhs WILL SELL THE RESIDUES OF UKRAINE.
      one must be a fool to not understand this.
      .
      Do you think that the Russian Federation sent its aircraft to the Crimea,
      Yes, hell, did not guess - such errors are a failure.
      .
      they could provide equipment, crew, weapons, but there is NO warrior,
      It’s clear to everyone, even the warriors of Ukraine,
      it is mainly BERKUT and from the special forces of the Crimea, Ukraine.
    2. Sergo Chita
      Sergo Chita 6 March 2014 04: 01
      0
      Yesterday at Paris, Foreign Ministry Lavrov bent Kerry,
      after he went to the German Foreign Ministry to bend, they put the painting on the Agreement of 21.02.2014.
      The information war is very brutally changing the minds of the people.
      the junta’s move is simple, while the people will bicker among themselves,
      Kindersurprzhyzhid + Golubokavakhs WILL SELL THE RESIDUES OF UKRAINE.
      one must be a fool to not understand this.
      .
      Do you think that the Russian Federation sent its aircraft to the Crimea,
      Yes, hell, did not guess - such errors are a failure.
      .
      they could provide equipment, crew, weapons, but there is NO warrior,
      It’s clear to everyone, even the warriors of Ukraine,
      it is mainly BERKUT and from the special forces of the Crimea, Ukraine.
  17. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 5 March 2014 14: 42
    0
    Well, everything is like in Odessa Privoz: here is trade, that is the theft and the pursuit of "thieves" with them at the head and heart-rending cries - KEEP THE THIEF, but he is nearby and does not run away, but organizes the pursuit ... so I would be very surprised if someone with brains appeared in Washington, but no, everything is on the same track!
  18. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 5 March 2014 14: 46
    +1
    I think it is necessary to actively negotiate the division of Ukraine. "It will not work to take away all of Ukraine from the West." about half of the inhabitants of Ukraine seriously consider Russia an enemy, and Ukraine as their homeland for which one must fight, 25 years of anti-Russian propaganda have not passed by. As a result, we will either really get the need to occupy a part of the country with all the consequences, or it will be limited to the pro-Russian southeast, but already without the legitimate and generally recognized right to its annexation.
  19. Yura
    Yura 5 March 2014 14: 47
    0
    So as of today, this “trade” is virtual. Because Russia does not take part in it.
    And - I really hope - will not accept.
    And I am almost sure of this (with the exception of force majeure, which cannot be ruled out). Russia does not need a fragmented Ukraine, Russia needs a fraternal neighbor strong economically with strong defense friendly to us, and then there will be less headache in this direction of our borders. In general, thinking about what our president has been doing lately, I begin to understand the scale of his trust in us, his people, without him these actions would have been impossible, as well as trust in the majority of the Ukrainian people for the sake of which this is all done and not only in the interests of Russia .
    1. demel2
      demel2 5 March 2014 15: 18
      +1
      Quote: Jura
      Russia does not need fragmented Ukraine

      And where to put the Zapadentsev? Tame them hardly succeed.
      1. Yura
        Yura 5 March 2014 16: 38
        0
        Quote: demel2
        And where to put the Zapadentsev? Tame them hardly succeed.

        A good question, but there is an answer to it, where is it even more thorough after the Second World War.
  20. saag
    saag 5 March 2014 14: 58
    +1
    Quote: Jura
    Russia does not need a fragmented Ukraine, Russia needs a fraternal neighbor strong economically with strong defense friendly to us, and then there will be less headache in this direction of our borders.

    if for 23 nothing of this has appeared, then it will not appear even now
    Quote: chunga-changa
    As a result, we get either really the need to occupy part of the country with all that it implies, or confine ourselves to the pro-Russian southeast, but without the legitimate and universally recognized right to join it.

    I think there will be one Crimea, with the southeast there are big doubts, whatever it may be
    1. Yura
      Yura 5 March 2014 16: 43
      0
      Quote: saag
      if for 23 nothing of this has appeared, then it will not appear even now

      Quote: saag
      I think there will be one Crimea, with the southeast there are big doubts, whatever it may be

      You are very pessimistic, nothing has ended yet, there will be a day and there will be food, although everything can be.
  21. Yuri Sev Caucasus
    Yuri Sev Caucasus 5 March 2014 14: 58
    +1
    Yes, the trouble is in the minds of our neighbors. So I want to be in a geyropu to be like a mustache syphilized geyropeytsy.
    On Ukrainian sites, Crimea in general is a continuous battlefield, but heroic hungry military men are holy oath. And they repulse the arrogant invaders. Direct reports from the battlefield.
  22. stroporez
    stroporez 5 March 2014 15: 00
    +1
    Little Russia -------- the cradle of Great Russia, Kiev --- the mother of Russian cities ............ there shouldn’t be that Schaub there the fascist beast was nestled ......... ... otherwise why are we standing ...
  23. pensioner
    pensioner 5 March 2014 15: 29
    +14
    But today is the day of the death of I.V. Stalin. Recall the great man!
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 5 March 2014 16: 25
      +1
      http://img15.nnm.me/9/6/b/2/1/0cd981e87169c4dcd948c61b20b.jpg
      Quote: retired
      But today is the day of the death of I.V. Stalin. Recall the great man!

      Soon, all of Europe, in a panic, will begin to recall when they get yashiki with muslims.
  24. atos_kin
    atos_kin 5 March 2014 15: 42
    +8
    Quote: retired
    But today is the day of the death of I.V. Stalin. Recall the great man!


    Bright memory!
  25. parusnik
    parusnik 5 March 2014 16: 19
    +1
    Europe, so far only Europe, comes to an understanding .. with a black sheep, even a tuft of wool, if it was not possible to kill the whole thing at once ..
  26. Renat
    Renat 5 March 2014 16: 30
    +2
    "Kemsk volost" is more relevant than ever.
  27. Mi
    Mi 5 March 2014 16: 59
    +2
    The zapadentsy shout with foam at the mouth that they are the only "white people" in Ukraine! Only in contrast to the South-East and even more so from the Crimea, the Western Outskirts for 300 years have fallen under just about anyone - Romania, Hungary, Poland, and Austria-Hungary ... Apparently this is how truly "white people" turn out!
  28. Agent 008
    Agent 008 5 March 2014 17: 22
    +1
    Yes, I read in one article what "reforms" Yatsenyuk should carry out in order to get a loan from the IMF ... For such "reforms" it is necessary to shoot on the spot! And the East of Ukraine should run without looking back towards Russia ... Putin has nothing to negotiate with Kiev! Kiev fell under the West! Now Putin should not lull us to sleep on TV, saying that he will "negotiate" with the new Kiev, but urgently drag the Crimea and the East of Ukraine to Russia!
    1. waisson
      waisson 5 March 2014 20: 50
      +3
      all as before but on a different scale
  29. diff
    diff 5 March 2014 18: 27
    +1
    The realities of the modern world are as follows, the Yankees, in any case, if they get into the territory of Ukraine, will install missile defense, and they will build a couple of bases. Otherwise, they have nothing to do there. The Yankees will not be engaged in charity work, well, perhaps a couple of "Guantanomo" will be built. They will tear Ukraine themselves, tk. their integrity has always been ensured by Russia. Today it looks like a bunch of gopniks, where everyone is trying to snatch a piece just for sebe. It is not profitable to study in a multinational world to maintain integrity among gopniks, because in troubled waters you can get more into your pocket. And the people who do not feel strong power always follow those who are closer and closer. Therefore, although bargaining is not appropriate, we still need to take at least something. On the other hand, it would be right for us to wish, if Ukraine begins to split up, the creation of independent republics, like Abkhazia. In such a situation, it is easier to negotiate with one people.
    Ukrainians, do not cherish the hopes that the West promises you. Look at the former Yugoslavia, how are the Slavs living there today, but in the same Poland?
  30. yvk-evg
    yvk-evg 5 March 2014 19: 50
    +1
    Now Russia urgently needs to intensively provide Crimea with "assistance from the regions of Russia", even from Tatarstan "specifically", so that the Crimeans surpass the rest of the outskirts in terms of living standards and defense capabilities! After the referendum of Crimea (for some reason I am sure that after it Crimea will be an independent state), I should not forget to include in its constitution a clause on the possibility of joining other regions of the southeast of the outskirts with Crimea. Both Crimea and Russia to make every possible and impossible effort to hold referendums on the annexation of all coastal regions of the outskirts to Crimea, especially Odessa and Nikolaev! There has never been in history at the outskirts of the Black Sea and should not be !!! In my opinion, it is vitally important to focus attention on this, besides, through Odessa there is a direct route to Transnistria (Transnistria, by the way, itself needs to start helping Odessa now in squeezing Banderlog out of the region).
    1. Navy7981
      Navy7981 5 March 2014 23: 22
      0
      I agree with you. Help Crimea needed, proper, competent, effective.
  31. nomad74
    nomad74 5 March 2014 20: 04
    0
    5th of March. / ITAR-TASS /. In the Verkhovna Rada (Parliament) of Ukraine, a bill was registered that determines the country's course towards NATO membership.
    And we will go north!
  32. Serebryakov. 75
    Serebryakov. 75 5 March 2014 21: 20
    +2
    Maydanutym ... dec!
  33. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 5 March 2014 23: 09
    0
    Whatever you say, I liked the map, though there are not enough 3 regions (Chernihiv, Sumy and Poltava) in the northern part, the rest, I think, will catch up in a year or two.
  34. Navy7981
    Navy7981 5 March 2014 23: 39
    +1
    And where was our foreign intelligence or was it all planned? Wasn’t the fascist national coup calculated? 23 years there, Americans grazed. Yet on the surface lay. When all this Gorbachev’s pack collapsed the country, then the treacherous Bialowieza conspiracy, it was already clear that Ukraine would not become a normal state, a contradiction to a contradiction. Nothing can happen where the killers become heroes, half of the territory is donated, and the main policy is to bend the damned to her .... Even in geopolitics, you can remain people, but here ...
  35. Navy7981
    Navy7981 5 March 2014 23: 42
    0
    But I believe - we will break through !!! Russia has always won! As there Alexander Suvorov said "where the Russians - there is a victory !!!"
  36. siberalt
    siberalt 5 March 2014 23: 47
    0
    This author is enough for "However". But the "mara ... ovskie" "lowered" from the Baltic states seize the body to scabies. Andrei, respecting you as a historian, I cannot fully agree with your conclusions about two-dimensional politics in a separate anthill. By eating information buns processed by the body, you can pick up a lot from what came out of them. But, is it worth passing it off as the ultimate truth?
  37. EvilLion
    EvilLion 6 March 2014 00: 19
    +1
    You can include Ukraine in any civilization project only by dismembering it and including it in the Russian Federation, because a state built on an anti-Russian ideology with a population that does not accept the Russian world will remain anti-Russian forever.
  38. Cristall
    Cristall 6 March 2014 00: 42
    0
    Not enough strength for the whole southeast. The abovementioned regions will not be handed over to the Russian Federation (Kherson Nikolaev and especially Odessa, it is the largest in Ukraine by territory! Especially because it has borders and, most importantly, access to the Danube!)
    Something seems to me after Kiev deftly deceived the people who agreed with Skorik, urgently appointing a new governor --- Odessa will be kept. After the loss of Crimea - in fact, the role of this port, the area of ​​the mouth of the Danube - will be high. Is Kiev ready for such losses? No.
    My opinion, even if the confrontation really began here, the NATO and UN destroyers would come to us faster. After the loss of the peninsula, forts (exit points to the World Cup) will be kept under strict control, mentally promising everything you want. They turned on the repressive apparatus, verbally reassuring, patriotically instructing.
    And also, I would like to know the approximate future. What will happen? Only the opinion that a polar animal will come will not suit me. He has been living with us for a long time since 1991 ..
    I would like to know specifically the role of Odessa, the animal .. well, it’s not our fault that around Odessa, someone built Ukraine .. smile
  39. Pesnyadv
    Pesnyadv 6 March 2014 00: 49
    -1
    Quote: vladimirZ
    Our task is to stop Nazi lawlessness in Ukraine, protect our people, fulfill our mission of guaranteeing the sovereignty and integrity of Ukraine and take away all of Ukraine from the West, and involve all of Ukraine in a creative Eurasian project. (from article)


    Why does Russia need the integrity of Ukraine?
    In Ukraine, there will never be order in the present borders, because it unites not unified. It is impossible to keep in one state called Ukraine antagonistic irreconcilable nations with different cultures, languages, religions.
    In this state, the existence of Russian and Russian-Ukrainian people with zapadentsy, Bandera is impossible.
    The division of Ukraine is a blessing for everyone and, above all, for Ukrainians.
    Therefore, the division of Ukraine into:
    - Western - Galicia;
    - central - Kiev;
    - South - East - Kharkov as part of Russia,
    the most favorable solution to the political crisis.
    Crimea is a separate song, it is not Ukraine, and it never has been, it should be part of Russia and restore the historical justice allowed by political criminals Khrushchev and Yeltsin.


    I allow myself to disagree with you.
    There you are, man.
    You have a head with brains and a priest with lord.
    So what?
    It is necessary to tear your ass from the head?
    Or fasten it for the duration of bowel movements?
    How do we solve the problem ?!
    Hat on his head. and even without a hat.
    And our priest is always wrapped in pants and underpants ...

    Even if a partition of Ukraine occurs, it is immediately necessary to think how to reconnect it !!!
  40. terrible
    terrible 6 March 2014 02: 31
    +1
    the most interesting thing is that Ukrainians in Russia living beyond the Maidan. among us we also live as occupants.
  41. Pesnyadv
    Pesnyadv 6 March 2014 02: 56
    0
    Quote: formidable
    the most interesting thing is that Ukrainians in Russia living beyond the Maidan. among us we also live as occupants.


    They chop the branch on which they sit ...
  42. Sergo Chita
    Sergo Chita 6 March 2014 04: 11
    0
    Yesterday at Paris, Foreign Ministry Lavrov bent Kerry,
    after he went to the German Foreign Ministry to bend, they put the painting on the Agreement of 21.02.2014.
    The information war is very brutally changing the minds of the people.
    the junta’s move is simple, while the people will bicker among themselves,
    Kindersurprzhyzhid + Golubokavakhs WILL SELL THE RESIDUES OF UKRAINE.
    one must be a fool to not understand this.
    .
    Do you think that the Russian Federation sent its aircraft to the Crimea,
    Yes, hell, did not guess - such errors are a failure.
    .
    they could provide equipment, crew, weapons, but there is NO warrior,
    It’s clear to everyone, even the warriors of Ukraine,
    it is mainly BERKUT and from the special forces of Crimea, Ukraine