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Battle arsenals Square

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Especially for "Atlanta Russia”Alexander Khramchikhin, deputy director of the Institute of Political and Military Analysis, analyzes in detail what the modern Armed Forces (VS) of Ukraine are and what response they can offer Russia in the event of a military conflict.


Battle arsenals Square


Immediately after the collapse of the USSR, the Armed Forces of Ukraine in their combat potential shared with China third and fourth places in the world (after the United States and Russia). However, during the post-Soviet period they experienced the hardest decline. Now on paper, the Ukrainian army is still quite large (although approximately 2-3 times in all classes of equipment is less than that in 1992 year), but in reality it is hardly even among the strongest armies in the world 50.

This situation is due to the fact that for the past 22 years, the troops have not received any new equipment (except 10 tanks T-84 "Hold"), and combat training was at a very low level. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are chronically underfunded throughout the entire period of the country's independence, the prestige of military service is very low. Ukraine is among the ten largest exporters weaponsAt the same time, on 80-90% its export is a sale of equipment from its own aircraft, and not the worst, but the best. Exclusively for export, and not for the armed forces of their country, the Ukrainian military-industrial complex operates.

Organizationally, the ground forces are divided into Operational Command (OK) “West” and “South” and Territorial Administration (TU) “North”. OK "West" includes three mechanized, missile and artillery brigades, mechanized, airmobile, special forces, artillery, anti-aircraft missile and two army aviation shelves. OK “South” - a tank, three mechanized, airmobile, airborne and artillery brigades, special forces, reactive artillery, anti-aircraft missile and army aviation regiments. TU "North" - a tank, two mechanized, airmobile and artillery brigades, reactive artillery and anti-aircraft missile regiments.

The 25-i airborne (Gvardeiskoe village, Dnipropetrovsk region), 79-I (Nikolaev) and 95-I (Zhytomyr) airmobile brigades, 3-i (Kirovograd) and 8-i (Khmelnitsky) regiments of special forces are considered the most combat-capable.

The ground forces have 12 launchers (launchers) of tactical missiles "Tochka-U" (78 is still in storage), the firing range of which reaches 120 km. The tank fleet consists of the 10 of the aforementioned “Strongholds” and the 1100 T-64, of which 76 has been upgraded to a modification of the T-64BM “Bulat”. Approximately 650 T-64 is still in storage, around 500 T-72 and up to 250 T-80. The number of infantry fighting vehicles, airborne combat vehicles (BMD) and armored personnel carriers is about 3,8 thousand, of which the newest can be considered as 400 BTR-80. There are 3,1 thousand artillery systems, of which only the multiple rocket launcher systems (MLRS) - 137 "Hurricanes" and 82 "Smerchias" have sufficiently serious combat power. It must be borne in mind that all of these figures are “paper”: up to half of the equipment is, in fact, completely inefficient, absolutely all of it (except for 10 “Plots”) is very outdated, practically having developed a resource, since it was produced in the USSR.

The same applies to the military air defense, where there is a Buk-М60 anti-aircraft missile systems (ZRK) up to 1, up to 125 Osa and 150 air-missiles Strela-10, and to 70 anti-aircraft rocket-gun complexes (ZRPK) " Tunguska. The most modern air defense systems "Tor" were withdrawn from service because of the inability to service.

Army aviation has a 51 combat helicopter Mi-24 (before storage 90), up to 60 multi-purpose helicopters Mi-8, several heavy transport Mi-26.

Air Force (Air Force) and Air Defense (Air Defense) are divided into Air Command (VK) "West", "South" and "Center". VC "West" has in its composition two brigades of tactical aviation, three anti-aircraft missile regiments, one radio engineering brigade. VK "South" - two brigades of tactical aviation, two anti-aircraft missile brigades, 4 anti-aircraft missile regiments, two radio engineering brigades. Of these, the 204 brigade of tactical aviation (Belbek, Sevastopol) and three anti-aircraft missile regiments are deployed in the Crimea - 50 (Feodosia, Alushta), 55 (Evpatoria), 174 (Dergachi, Sevastopol). VK "Center" includes three brigades of tactical aviation, two anti-aircraft missile brigades, five anti-aircraft missile regiments, one radio engineering brigade.

There are about 20 Su-24 front-line bombers as part of the 7 tactical aviation brigade in Starokonstantinov (before 55 in storage) and 43 attack aircraft Su-25 in the 299 brigade in Nikolaev (4 in storage). Fighter aircraft consists of 60 Su-27, including 13 Su-27UB (still 5 in storage) and 96 MiG-29, including 18 MiG-29UB (before 50 in storage). Also, about 50 MiG-23 and up to 20 MiG-25 are in storage. For the post-Soviet period, the Air Force did not receive any new equipment, only the 1 MiG-29 and 13 Su-25 were upgraded. Of those aircraft that are listed in the ranks of the Air Force, not more than half can actually rise into the air (presumably 20-25%). There is up to 40 training aircraft L-39 (as many more in storage) and up to 100 various transport aircraft.

Ground-based air defense incorporates the 30 divisions of anti-aircraft missile systems (ZRS) C-300P, 14 battalions of the Buk-М1 air defense system; The 4 of the C-300В division and the 12 of the С-200 divisions of the СРС were withdrawn from service because of the impossibility of service.

If the ground forces and the air force, even on paper, have significant potential, then the naval forces of Ukraine are extremely weak. They include the submarine of the 641 project (it’s already 44), the patrol ship (frigate) of the 1135P project, two small anti-submarine ships (MPK) of the 1124М project and the patrol ship of the 1124P project, the IPC of 12412 project, two missile boats (12411T project and 206МР project) , 1400M project patrol boat, two 266М sea-going minesweepers, 1258 project minesweeper, large landing ship (BDK) of 775 project, medium landing ship (KFOR) 773 project. The real combat potential of the Navy is practically zero in any aspect (shock, anti-submarine, air defense).

In naval aviation, there are 5 anti-submarine amphibians Be-12 (3 is still in storage), 7 transport aircraft, 13 helicopters for various purposes (Ka-27, Ka-29, Mi-14).

Coastal units of the Navy are stationed in Crimea. The 1 Battalion of the Marine Corps is in Feodosia (armed with 40 BTR-80, 8 mortars, anti-tank missile systems and Igla portable anti-aircraft missile systems), and at Perevalnoye, 36-I mechanized coastal defense brigade (39) , 64 BMP-75, 2 on BTR-50 and BTR-70, 80 artillery systems, including Grad 90 MLRS. There is a 18 division of coastal defense with two launchers of the Rubezh anti-ship missile system (with anti-ship missile missile system P-25).

The Ukrainian Armed Forces do not have any real impact on the territory of the Russian Federation unless they strike first, and the Su-24 pilots will agree to act as a kamikaze, and the technical condition of the aircraft and the level of training of the pilots will accomplish the task at least in this version. The probability of this option is zero. Moreover, all aircraft munitions were produced during the Soviet period, the storage period for most of them has already expired. Moreover, all of these munitions are either conventional unguided free-falling bombs, or missiles with a range of only a few kilometers.

It is somewhat easier to influence Russian troops in the Crimea, but this simplicity is also very conditional. It is obvious that parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the peninsula have already been neutralized. At the same time, a Russian anti-aircraft missile regiment is stationed here, which is complemented by the anti-aircraft defense of the cruiser “Moscow” and fighters from the territory of the Krasnodar Territory. The Ukrainian side will not be able to achieve surprise, since both the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and their supporters in the South and East of Ukraine are in full readiness (not only in the Crimea). Even the elite units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces have no chance of success in such a situation, they also become kamikazes. The expectation of provoking a war in order to receive foreign aid will only have the opposite effect: NATO forces will not take part in the war under any circumstances, and if the Ukrainian side starts to fight first, it will, to a large extent, also lose Western political support.

General mobilization may be for the Armed Forces of Ukraine "control shot". There are certain doubts that the Ukrainian state can really hold it. Let us even put aside low training of potential reservists, as well as the fact that a significant part of them are on earnings outside the country, or will try by all means to avoid conscription. Let us assume that it is possible to gather several hundred thousand reservists at the recruiting stations. After that, they will have to be separated into military units (a very difficult task in itself), and then provided with all kinds of allowance and position. Moreover, all these people are simultaneously transformed from producers to consumers. As a result, not only the military budget, but the economy as a whole is being hit hard. The longer the mobilization lasts, the harder it will be to hit the economy. And if at the same time the war does not start (most likely it will be so), even those reservists who come to the army of their own accord in order to defend their homeland will quickly begin to decay morally, this is an inevitable property of human psychology.

Saakashvili, starting his August adventure, was sincerely convinced that his army would easily defeat not only the Ossetian militiamen, but also the Russian Armed Forces. The current Ukrainian leadership is much more adequate, it is well aware that the real capabilities of the country's Armed Forces are almost zero. Therefore, mobilization is likely to quietly "shut up." And the tedious political and economic bargaining will begin.
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  1. invisibility
    invisibility 5 March 2014 08: 18
    -6
    I did not like the title of the article.
    1. Canep
      Canep 5 March 2014 08: 31
      +32
      Quote: invisible
      I did not like the title of the article.

      Title as a title.
      And the content is all about the glands. Where's the fighting spirit ??? The Ukrainian army in the smy mass (you cannot say otherwise) is not trained and not motivated. She reminds me of the army of Kazakhstan in 96-97 years (I served in these years). For two years, 1 field exit, 1 ZRP exit on Emba for firing. And that’s all. AND ALL BATTLE PREPARATION !!!. But the difference is that since the 2000s, movement has begun in Kazakhstan, and officers who served in the union have not yet quit. And in Ukraine, there was little left of the army (there were 700000), but what was not trained in the proper amount.
      1. buzer
        buzer 5 March 2014 09: 36
        +2
        As far as I remember, there were not and there are no Kazakh military units in Emba. "The Emba training ground is a Soviet and Russian military training ground for the air defense (air defense of the Ground Forces) in Kazakhstan. It was located 10 kilometers south of
        Emba town of Mugalzhar district of Aktobe region, 200 kilometers south of Aktyubinsk. Official name: 11 State Scientific Research Testing Ground of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (11 GNIIP). "
      2. bigELDAK
        bigELDAK 5 March 2014 13: 15
        +14
        "Fighting spirit" in western Ukraine, there almost all the polls (especially young people) have anti-Russian sentiments. With the tacit support of Latvians and Poles, even if the government is replaced by a pro-Russian government, there will be terrorist attacks, raids like barbarians, in general, it is not only the parties who are to blame but deputies with Nazi manners. For a long time there will be BEDLAM. http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = AR42i5j6Xbc & feature = player_embedded
        1. kirieeleyson
          kirieeleyson 6 March 2014 00: 50
          +2
          eh, bloody boys, they have not yet seen how a comrade in arms, lying next to him, had a leg torn off from an ordinary "frog." Urapartriots of fascism, having picked up a Kalashnikov assault rifle for the first time, can count on several dozen rounds and a couple of wounds, one of which turns out to be a "control" shot to the head. Sold out pshekovatye nations.
      3. Papakiko
        Papakiko 5 March 2014 17: 05
        +3
        Quote: Canep
        But the difference is that since the 2000s in

        Quote: Canep
        And the content is all about the glands. Where's the fighting spirit?

        Air defense readiness was demonstrated on 08.08.2008.
        NATO forces will not take part in the war under any circumstances, and if the Ukrainian side begins to fight first, it will, to a large extent, lose political support from the West. The country's economy as a whole gets a very hard blow. The longer mobilization lasts, the harder the blow to the economy will be. .
        Here I put it for these lines - to the article.
        The horse will go into battle under the supervision of hundreds of "maydauns" and "banderlog" fosters. And NATO will generously pay for all this "fun".
        Geopolitical interests will be embodied in the blood of fraternal peoples.
        Kayn, what do you want to do with your brother Abel ?!
        But Kainu n ... b!
        He does not think about what will be prepared for him after.
      4. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 5 March 2014 17: 37
        +3
        Quote: Canep
        Where's the fighting spirit ???

        You forget about Bandera. It’s quite possible to organize detachments and enter the territory of the Russian Federation. And the direct occupation of the territory may well affect the mood of the people. No one will fight openly and will come out at night. Well, and especially loyal oaths can shoot. And how do you imagine the lesson cities? If people take to the streets? yes they’ll turn upside down with their hands. Will you shoot at them?
        1. badger1974
          badger1974 6 March 2014 00: 57
          +1
          even we have in the Crimea as it is calm. no one does not climb at night and does not overturn armored troop-carriers, they are pissing even at night, but attacks on monuments are yes, there can be such special operations on the scale of a full-fledged war with the Russian Federation, so look, be careful with such a thunderstorm, there will be more retreating in one roadside pillars to play, what are you cvtʻicz & they sit from the trunk on the o..pu
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 6 March 2014 17: 08
            -1
            Quote: badger1974
            Even in our Crimea it’s somehow calm. no one gets out at night

            God grant
            Although it’s quite possible to sail to Crimea. It’s still unknown how your Tatars will react to joining
      5. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 9 March 2014 09: 47
        0
        There is a spirit, but only a very heavy deodorant will not help!
    2. Sakmagon
      Sakmagon 5 March 2014 10: 21
      +2
      I did not like the title of the article.

      ... and the content itself.
      An article from the cycle "if my grandmother had ..."
      ...and what kind of resistance can they give to Russia in the event of a military conflict...

      And it writes "Deputy Director of the Institute of Political and Military анализа"!!! To drive such a broomstick!
      This "analyzer" SERIOUSLY considers a situation in which I attack my uncles and my brothers and nephews start shooting at me !?
      It looks like the entot "Author Alexander Khramchikhin" is French ... and his surname is de biel...
      1. self-propelled
        self-propelled 5 March 2014 10: 53
        +11
        ... and the content itself.

        the whole point of the article comes down to the last two sentences
        The current Ukrainian leadership is much more adequate, it is well aware that the real capabilities of the country's armed forces are almost zero. Therefore, the mobilization is likely to be quietly “hushed up”. And the tedious political and economic bargaining will begin.
        1. Skiff-2
          Skiff-2 6 March 2014 00: 19
          +1
          Quote: self-propelled

          the whole point of the article comes down to the last two sentences
          The current Ukrainian leadership is much more adequate, it is well aware that the real capabilities of the country's armed forces are almost zero. Therefore, the mobilization is likely to be quietly “hushed up”. And the tedious political and economic bargaining will begin.

          Alas, the mobilization by silent glanders nevertheless goes on, and in the east too (!). And you know how? At the mines, the employer sends groups of young guys previously selected by the military registration and enlistment office in an orderly manner, right from the shift, form teams and send them to units. Some parts (or parts) are advanced towards Zaporozhye. The military commissariats work around the clock ... it seems that we underestimated the organizational skills of Kolomoisky and American advisers. These creatures want the Russians to kill the Russians, protecting the fascists, who will finally be able to tackle the eastern regions. I’m afraid to get it, but the military commissariats really work ... I hope this is not only me who sees it.
          1. Suhow
            Suhow 6 March 2014 03: 14
            0
            yes they do work and volunteers eat
      2. Su24
        Su24 5 March 2014 13: 45
        +16
        The fact that Ukrainians are brothers is clear to us. But, the task of military analysis is to assess the potential of the armed forces, regardless of emotions and feelings. Georgians are our Orthodox brothers, nevertheless, there was still a conflict. In the case of Ukraine, it is impossible to exclude 100% a situation where radicals from the Right Sector will drive several brigades / regiments to our troops in the Crimea. It is clear that the probability is very low, but it cannot be completely ruled out. Otherwise, why did Russia now send troops into the Crimea, if there is absolutely nothing to fear?
        So, an objective assessment of the state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is still necessary.
      3. bif
        bif 5 March 2014 15: 11
        +10
        The content of the article corresponds to the topic. This is Military Analysis, i.e. dry numbers and a sober calculation of probabilities! And the style of such articles does not imply the expression "brother to brother", etc. so do not drive on a person. By the way, his analysis is very optimistic, for example, only 4 mig-29s out of 45 at the Belbek base in Crimea are generally capable of taking off.
      4. Staff Sergeant
        Staff Sergeant 5 March 2014 19: 30
        +3
        Totally agree with you. In the current situation, I see the appearance of such articles as a provocation.
        I am sure that competent comrades are well aware of all aspects of various scenarios.
        1. Staff Sergeant
          Staff Sergeant 5 March 2014 20: 11
          0
          Minus Svidomo Ukrainians? )))
          For the slow-witted, I mean comrades from the Russian Federation ..
          1. Tema_zp
            Tema_zp 5 March 2014 20: 43
            +1
            Ordinary analytics ordered by someone. The General Staff of the Russian Army, I think knows about the state of the Ukrainian army much more))))))
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    3. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 5 March 2014 13: 24
      +7
      Quote: invisible
      I did not like the title of the article.


      True eye hurts ??
    4. bif
      bif 5 March 2014 15: 03
      0
      Quote: invisible
      I did not like the title of the article.

      "What do you call a yacht, so it will float!" Captain Wrangel
      1. Walking
        Walking 5 March 2014 17: 27
        +6
        Quote: Sacmagon
        I did not like the title of the article.

        ... and the content itself.
        [b] An article from the cycle "if my grandmother had ..." [/ b]
        ...and what kind of resistance can they give to Russia in the event of a military conflict...

        And this writes [b] "Deputy Director of the Institute of Political and
        This "analyzer" SERIOUSLY considers a situation in which I attack my uncles and my brothers and nephews start shooting at me !?
        It looks like the entot "Author Alexander Khramchikhin" is French ... and his surname is [b] de Biel [/ b] ...


        Do you think those that were on the Maidan will not shoot at you? There, apparently, there are enough young people with brainwashed for 20 years who don’t consider you a brother. Less emotion.
      2. allexx83
        allexx83 6 March 2014 00: 32
        0
        vrUngel)))
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  2. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 5 March 2014 08: 23
    +16
    Here photos and videos from the Crimea showed the state of the MiGs - a sad picture. (Of 49 aircraft, 3 or 4 can fly) Something tells us that in all other parts of the Ukrainian Armed Forces the situation is deplorable.
    1. badger1974
      badger1974 5 March 2014 11: 43
      +30
      Drying 24 months ago four months ago, it could be alone, because there was about 3-4 hours between flights, and as I will report to you as a resident of the Crimea, a complete decline in the border suburbs and the total theft of fuel and lubricants and scrap metal, I am ashamed to live in such an incomplete like everyone in the Crimea, so let them poison what they want, and we’ll go nowhere in full course to Russia, behind Pont
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 5 March 2014 14: 28
        +8
        Volodya, congratulations to you! You finally agreed that it was not MiGs but Su-24))) It is possible that the Russians flew from the Black Sea Fleet.
        1. badger1974
          badger1974 5 March 2014 15: 03
          +7
          communicating with colleagues on military subjects from Simferopol revealed that really 24,
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 5 March 2014 15: 05
            +7
            So, and I told you about this from Komsomolsk laughing
  3. P12P
    P12P 5 March 2014 08: 24
    +29
    Ukraine could not save the combat-ready army - it cannot save the state, who does not want to feed his army, will feed someone else's.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 5 March 2014 08: 31
      +4
      Quote: P12P
      Ukraine could not save the combat-ready army - it cannot save the state, who does not want to feed his army, will feed someone else's.

      If the new government draws the appropriate conclusions, it will reform the army. In its current state, it is an armed uncontrollable rabble.
      1. badger1974
        badger1974 5 March 2014 11: 54
        +16
        during the reform there will be a controlled but the same rabble, in the outskirts of history there is one significant flaw - this is a lifelong betrayal and mischief, and from this moronic greed to soak up with mother’s milk
        for me insanity is considered the anthem of the outskirts - the outskirts are still not dead - no pride for solidarity, a call for internationality, pride in the end, they constantly spread rot htostfu, rabble with the motto "I" with the purpose of life "ME"
        1. 31231
          31231 5 March 2014 12: 22
          +5
          Friends say that almost all officers on the camera play autonomy, and outside the camera when taking the oath of Crimea, they require salaries and financial support, like the army of the Russian Federation.
          1. Vl690006
            Vl690006 5 March 2014 12: 57
            +15
            At one time, a simple medical lieutenant from the Moskva GVRK received as much as the commander of the flagship of the Sagaidachny Naval Command. After that, talk about service zeal as much as possible, if they pay so little.
            And who else in fraternal Ukraine wants to fight against Russia except for banderlogs.
          2. badger1974
            badger1974 5 March 2014 13: 53
            +6
            you were not mistaken, bullseye
          3. krpmlws
            krpmlws 5 March 2014 15: 43
            +4
            Well, duck is now a great opportunity to raise their material status by joining the army of Crimea laughing
        2. Suhow
          Suhow 6 March 2014 03: 32
          -1
          - a hymn is a hymn
        3. kartalovkolya
          kartalovkolya 9 March 2014 10: 06
          0
          Very rightly noted, let me also add something: at the time of the rapid fall, in 1918. In Ukraine, a song was often sung with the following words: "Ukraine has not died yet, from Kiev to Berlin, Haidamaks have not yet surrendered Deitschland, Deitschland uber alles! Of course, it was not the Haidamaks who sang it, but the inhabitants of workers' quarters and settlements, but how accurate and accurate, and most importantly, it is still relevant now! It's almost the current anthem! (as a child I read about this in the book "The Tale of a Stern Friend")
      2. 31231
        31231 5 March 2014 12: 20
        +3
        If the new government draws the appropriate conclusions, it will reform the army.


        Rumor has it that the new government is also giving away part of the state package in metallurgy for a pittance. Hope for the best, oha. In Ukraine, after all, "democracy".
      3. Pashhenko Nikolay
        Pashhenko Nikolay 5 March 2014 16: 32
        0
        The new government will not be able to do this. What kind of shisha, as they say?
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    3. Corsair
      Corsair 5 March 2014 13: 44
      +2
      Quote: P12P
      he who does not want to feed his army will feed a stranger.
      IN ROOT I do not agree with your comments, neither our Armed Forces, nor the state of Russia, DO NOT INTENTION "feeds" at the expense of Ukraine.
      Our army (and its participation in the events in the ARC, GDP in communication with the media did not confirm (!) fellow ) I am ready to assist the neighboring friendly state in restoring the rule of law.

      And all business ...
      1. lordinicus
        lordinicus 5 March 2014 13: 48
        -6
        Quote: Corsair
        Quote: P12P
        he who does not want to feed his army will feed a stranger.
        IN ROOT I do not agree with your comments, neither our Armed Forces, nor the state of Russia, DO NOT INTENTION "feeds" at the expense of Ukraine.
        Our army (and its participation in the events in the ARC, GDP in communication with the media did not confirm (!) fellow ) I am ready to assist the neighboring friendly state in restoring the rule of law.

        And all business ...


        Restoring the rule of law, that's how. To return to us the prisoner Yanyk, who stupidly ruined the country and stole so much that he did not know where to put the money? I honestly don’t understand how friends and brothers can offer such legality.
        1. Master_Lviv
          Master_Lviv 5 March 2014 15: 05
          +13
          In this case, at least the country was whole, and there was something to steal from. And at maydaunov - not a stake or a yard, well, yes, freedom always comes naked!
        2. kotvov
          kotvov 5 March 2014 20: 22
          +4
          Yes, no one hates this thief. The question is to hold new elections and the president is happy. But how to conduct them now under the pressure of banderlogs, the question is. I didn’t want to believe, but I'm afraid Ukraine will fall apart.
        3. Corsair
          Corsair 5 March 2014 21: 27
          +2
          Quote: lordinicus
          Restoring the rule of law, that's how.

          And this is WITHOUT "maidans", WITHOUT murders and usurping power.

          Or do you still undertake to assert that the current "vlast" in Kiev and a number of regions is LAW ???
        4. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov 5 March 2014 21: 47
          +4
          So you have more convicts! Bilov is not enough for you? And who is to blame for putting the convicts on your neck? But we still need Yanyk, he’s cool! And then, give it to you, and you will kill it! Our guarantor of the constitution decided you rid of this potential sin !!! And last, if you don’t understand something, it doesn’t mean it is not wink
    4. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 5 March 2014 17: 46
      +1
      Quote: P12P
      Ukraine was unable to maintain a combat-ready army

      They didn’t plan to fight with us. They weren’t going to fight with anyone at all. Which armies in Bulgaria, the Czech Republic and other dwarfs? As of the beginning of 2011, the armed forces of Bulgaria amounted to 31 regular army personnel and 315 thousand reservists, another 303 thousand served in other paramilitary groups.
      150 thousand professional army is enough for defense + in reserve about a million. And now they will generally join NATO and make bases on their territory
  4. region46
    region46 5 March 2014 08: 26
    +1
    Well, why write it. After all, we all know that this will not happen !!!!
    1. I think so
      I think so 8 March 2014 22: 34
      0
      Never say "never" ... Remember the Soviet years ... In what nightmare could one dream Russia is at war with Georgia (!) ... but it was ... Azerbaijan with Armenia ... Moldovans with Russians ... Ukrainians shot down Russian planes ... And you say "we know" ... don't be naive ... you have been fooled many times already ... and now they will be fooled ... be sure ...
  5. Anastasios
    Anastasios 5 March 2014 08: 27
    +35
    Hello everybody. You read the comments that the Germans write on spiegel. de about the case in Bilbeck. 99% laugh at the Ukrainian army. Ukrainians do not disgrace! By the way, there are a lot of sympathizing and understanding the position of Russia. Merkel nervously scratches the back of her head ...

    I just want to say "you have no methods against Kostya Saprykin" dear American partners. It looks like Putin is winning the information war, and most importantly, everything is according to the law. And yet, "the polite fighters of self-defense of the Crimea" were very surprised. Where boots, earflaps and budenovka. Young is already the ARMY! Time has been well spent since 2008. http://forum.spiegel.de/showthread.php?t=115255&page=2
    1. SkiF_RnD
      SkiF_RnD 6 March 2014 03: 59
      0
      And you do not have to be ill. If there is such information, so to speak, first-hand, how is Germany with the army now? It is painfully interesting to find out, but on the Internet there are only propaganda, like our "T-90 in a jump". hi
      1. I think so
        I think so 8 March 2014 22: 42
        0
        Yes, do not pay attention to this anastasis ... this is an urapatriotic Troll ... I will never believe that the average person (the burgher as they said in the Soviet years) will have an opinion different from that imposed on the media ... And in Germany, be sure the ideological press the media is cleaner and tougher than the Soviet one ... Putin, IN PRINCIPLE, CANNOT WIN, including the ideological war for a simple reason ... Nobody hears him there, they show and distort ...
  6. Yuri Sev Caucasus
    Yuri Sev Caucasus 5 March 2014 08: 46
    +4
    Here is such a sad truth. Self-propensity did not show fodder on horseback. They forgot to count the number of militants of the right sector. It was the force that brought down the legitimate authority, how many batons and Molotov cocktails and other ammunition.
    1. Sergey7311
      Sergey7311 5 March 2014 09: 10
      +14
      The fighting spirit of the "Right Sector" is really strong ... But the question is, what is it based on? On the idea and belief in one's own conviction of a revolutionary idea or on some psychotropic drugs allocated under the "Lend-Lease" by the State Department ???
    2. badger1974
      badger1974 5 March 2014 12: 07
      +21
      you live far away along the way and don’t know the essence, the cowardice of the yanyk only helped these imperial women, it was necessary to give the order to sweep back in December, when they already realized that the order wouldn’t be there at all, then they got intoxicated, and the yanyk escaped, but in Crimea it’s rabble in November did not find support, therefore, the muck penetrating the Crimea was suppressed by the forces of local self-defense in the bud, I'm sorry you will not spoil in my porch, no matter how healthy and famous you are, but you can spoil the Kiwils and no one will say a word to you
      they can only fight with scum-monuments
      1. Vl690006
        Vl690006 5 March 2014 13: 03
        +7
        Grandmother and grandfather from Sevastopol drove this scum from the west during the presidential election. Then the calf Yanukovych won. I remember how they drove away the free people and how within 2 hours they removed all the campaign tents for Tymoshenko.
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      3. Suhow
        Suhow 7 March 2014 00: 30
        0
        bagjer1974 if you gave the order, then go to the end, and if you send the sack, resign. about Kiev, not everyone supported the Maidan or Yanyka. but it seemed to me that Maidan was supported by many people of Kiev, they just didn’t hear others. This was a parody of the president that set everyone up.
  7. kmike
    kmike 5 March 2014 08: 52
    +23
    "The 25th airborne (Gvardeyskoye village, Dnepropetrovsk region) is considered the most efficient." A unit of paratroopers moved from Dnepropetrovsk to Kiev on the orders of Yanukovych, on the way they were stopped by the maidanuts, disarmed and sent back on foot. I don't know, but it is quite possible that more kicks were pushed. Sadly, but really to what extent Yanukovych brought his army. But, I hope they will see the light, overthrow the fascists and these adventurers, and we will again be brothers in arms.
    1. Irtysh
      Irtysh 5 March 2014 12: 50
      +12
      Well, here you can’t get rid of the fact that normal military do not want to fight for Yanuk the thief and for obscure Maidan. Nevertheless, they are their fellow citizens.

      Honestly, I don’t know how I would act in the place of these paratroopers. Most likely, he could also have received a trend. :-(

      In such a way, Berkut also got rid of the youngsters. : '(

      The brothers Ukrainians pulled themselves into a very difficult situation. I do not envy.
      1. Jager
        Jager 5 March 2014 23: 31
        +2
        Surrender of weapons is already a crime! In wartime, this act under such circumstances is 100% execution. Even the most stupid person understands that a "crazy" weapon in the hands of a person not controlled by strict discipline and the Charter (let alone a radical militant activist) will sooner or later come into action.
      2. Suhow
        Suhow 7 March 2014 00: 35
        0
        Irtysh situation is more than complicated - the cops do not trust the authorities and they cannot resolve the situation, add economic problems to this
  8. Good cat
    Good cat 5 March 2014 09: 07
    +5
    All this would be very funny if it were not so sad
  9. 2sila
    2sila 5 March 2014 09: 07
    +9
    The collapse of the army was not Yanukovych.
    It all started with Kravchuk, and then only on an increasing basis.
    Maidanut people do not need an army at all, NATO base, here is their minimum program.
    Although now they can think.
  10. Sergey7311
    Sergey7311 5 March 2014 09: 08
    +7
    It is sad to admit, but the Ukrainian army is a rather miserable sight ... The government, such an impression, has not dealt with the defense of the country at all for the last fifteen years. The power of the Soviet army turned into the power of the Ukrainian army. But this is not her fault, but trouble. And the blame on Kuchma, Yushchenko, Yanukovych and those who have a lower rank and rank ...
  11. vasiliy2310
    vasiliy2310 5 March 2014 09: 29
    +3
    They exchanged their army for the American
  12. Anastasios
    Anastasios 5 March 2014 09: 55
    +20
    Quote: 2sila
    The collapse of the army was not Yanukovych.
    It all started with Kravchuk, and then only on an increasing basis.
    Maidanut people do not need an army at all, NATO base, here is their minimum program.
    Although now they can think.

    everything is right. Yanukovych was in power only 3 years, and before that there were Yushchenko, Tymoshenko, etc. What did they create with them? found a whipping boy ... not a country but some kind of flock with brainwashed. they think that they will immediately receive visas and immediately to Europe for free bread ... na.h. here this gopota is not needed. here the Romanians are already. and the Bulgarians are overwhelmed. Everyone is waiting for the good uncle to give money, and they will steal money for the heroes for this.
    1. CIANIT
      CIANIT 5 March 2014 10: 03
      +3
      He said everything correctly.
    2. Jager
      Jager 5 March 2014 23: 42
      +4
      I had an interesting conversation about the EU with a Lviv migrant worker, an illegal builder. He spoke with all his hands and feet for the EU, for the ideas of the Maidan and "nezalezhnosti". The final point of the conversation was a passage about how he made great money in Italy last year, 2 thousand euros. And what if Ukraine is in the EU, there will be European salaries, working conditions, new factories. In general, pink snot and drool. And the peasant is already over 50, like a scientist should be. But my question stumped the fighter for a "bright future in the EU." "Listen, why are you here, at the" cursed her "work and feed? Go back to Italy and earn money there - the borders are open." The peasant immediately shrank and began babbling about "this is how good it was with Scoop, I had a good job."
      UGH!!! The clinic is complete. And there was a cloud of people like him at the construction site, all the beggars from the "Westerners". And all as one they were poking around in the "evil and hostile" land near Moscow and at the same time dreamed of European integration and independent Ukraine.
    3. I think so
      I think so 8 March 2014 22: 57
      0
      Dear Anastas, don't you still understand the meaning of ALL WEST ACTIVITIES against the RUSSIAN WORLD? In a nutshell, this is a line from the International - "BEFORE THE BASIS, AND THEN ...". For the first time (17 years) they almost succeeded, but a REAL STATE ACTOR STALIN came to power and ... created an even more powerful country than the West was trying to destroy ... Now, excuse me in power in Russia ... jerks ... which, up to the caliber of Stalin, I can't even imagine how many HUNDREDS of KRATS are missing ... Therefore, in Ukraine, in Russia and wherever there is a Russian world, they will ONLY CRASH and CRASH ... And most likely they will succeed ...
      "Everyone expects that a kind uncle will give money"

      And what does delirious thinks or fantasizes about a hungry b.s.d.o.- it doesn’t bother anyone at all ... it ALREADY LEAKED INTO THE UNITAS OF HISTORY ... And everyone is waiting for it to suck or die or kill one another. ..
  13. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 5 March 2014 09: 58
    +12
    Why did Ukraine need an army, in fact, from whom to defend itself? From the European Union or Russia. After all, the stump is clear that it is one thing to scream at the whole world about the "Moscow Threat" and a completely different real situation. After all, the Ukrainian leadership perfectly understood that Russia would never go to Ukraine will not attack, so they were systematically ignoring the army. And besides, NATO does not need a Ukrainian army, they need a "Ukrainian Legion" that can be sent to Afghanistan-Iraq, and so that the heads of the Ukrainian lads are cut off for the interests of ExxonMobil.
    1. 222222
      222222 5 March 2014 12: 29
      +3
      Standard Oil (3) SU Today, 09:58 AM New
      "Why did Ukraine need an army in fact ..."
      When you talk about the army of any state, see the Military doctrine of this state .. from the military doctrine of Ukraine from 2012 "10. Ukraine considers as military-political risks or challenges that increase the level of threat of the use of military force against Ukraine, such intentions or actions states, coalitions of states:
      making territorial claims;
      calls or attempts to review existing state borders;
      the buildup of force and arms groups near the borders of Ukraine, the creation of new ones, the expansion and modernization of existing military bases and facilities;
      the creation or purchase of new, as well as the modernization of existing weapons systems and military equipment, primarily offensive in nature, which leads to an imbalance in the balance of forces;
      intensification of intelligence activities of special services of foreign states, as well as foreign organizations against Ukraine;
      conducting informational and psychological measures to destabilize the socio-political situation, interethnic and interfaith relations in Ukraine or its individual regions and places of compact residence of national minorities;
      application of political and economic sanctions against Ukraine;
      the use of military force in the region or with the participation of the states of the region;
      support for separatism;
      justification for the use of military force as a means of resolving interstate disputes;
      the weakening of legislative restrictions on the use of military force outside its own territory;
      violation by states of international agreements, treaties on the non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, their means of delivery, arms control, arms limitation and reduction, or withdrawal from them (termination of participation in them);
      stimulation of escalation of military conflicts in the region.
      11. The threat of the use of military force against Ukraine can be realized by:
      drawing Ukraine into a military conflict between other states;
      armed aggression;
      armed conflict at the state border;
      the development of internal instability into armed conflict within the state.
      12. Ukraine can be dragged into military conflicts, which will differ in the causes, goals of the parties and consequences, in particular: ..... "

      . if interesting and special then ..http: //constitutions.ru/archives/7794
  14. Anastasios
    Anastasios 5 March 2014 10: 01
    +26
    Yesterday's GDP performance is BOMB. This is not a click on Obama's nose; it is a weighty CRACK. everything is in shock here. all checkmate ... learn Merkel!
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 5 March 2014 11: 26
      +6
      Yesterday's GDP performance is BOMB. This is not a click on Obama's nose; it is a weighty CRACK. everything is in shock here. all checkmate ... learn Merkel!
      More? And we have very briefly and little coverage of the reaction of ordinary people in Europe. Show of course, but not enough. I don’t speak German to read forums in the original.
      Please deploy a little.

      Sincerely ...
      drinks
      1. Anastasios
        Anastasios 5 March 2014 18: 36
        +9
        OK. translate everything does not make sense, but in general terms:

        1 Americans constantly provoke Russia and everyone is tired of it.
        2 nobody believes the press. literally: blah, blah, blah democracy. blah, blah, blah progressive humanity. blah, blah, blah Obama shut up tired.
        3 SHO AGAIN TO HELP SOMEBODY ???? And how are we ??? THEY DID NOT BUILD ANYTHING FOR 22 YEARS !!!! YANUKOVICH WAS ON THE AUTHORITY ONLY 3 YEARS ...
        4 (and most importantly) according to the law, Yanukovych is the president, and all the other bnd are oligarchs.
        5 Russian troops are very peacefully disposed towards the locals who support them.
        6 from whom will we buy gas?
        7 AND BASIC: WHY IS KOSOVO POSSIBLE, BUT NOT RUSSIAN ???
        8 media are not objective

        but these are comments. the media certainly do shit on you. But PEOPLE ARE NOT BLIND ...
        1. Anastasios
          Anastasios 5 March 2014 19: 18
          +2
          and more about Putin’s press conference:

          http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wladimir-putins-pressekonferenz-zur-krim-d
          er-ahnungslose-vom-kreml-a-956869.html

          Nobody believes the media ... Russia clearly leads in this information war ...
          1. Anastasios
            Anastasios 5 March 2014 19: 33
            +5
            # 8 Gestern 15:50 von chagall1985
            Jetzt stellen wir uns mal vor
            Die Krim hätte mal zu den USA gehört.
            Und auf der Krim würden 60% Amerikaner wohnen.

            Glaubt irgendwer ernsthaft, dass die Amerikaner irgendwas anders gemacht hätten als Putin?

            Im Gegensatz ich könnte mir sogar vorstellen das die zwei Schritte weiter gegangen wären.

            copy and translate through google translator. this is the essence of the opinion about Russia. smile OBAMA is tired of everyone ... angry
            1. Anastasios
              Anastasios 5 March 2014 21: 42
              +1
              OK, at the request of workers a summary:

              One might think that the Americans would have acted differently in this case, but they could have completely unraveled everyone (not verbatim, but the meaning is preserved).
              1. dmitriygorshkov
                dmitriygorshkov 5 March 2014 22: 02
                +1
                Thank you Anastas DE, straight in the heart! drinks
                1. Anastasios
                  Anastasios 5 March 2014 22: 12
                  +7
                  Guys, to be honest, I was very cautious about Putin. But if Vladimiritch does not bend and the Crimea returns (I never thought I would see this) I will hang a portrait of his house. Well done man, steel eggs !!! If this happens, you can celebrate this day as Independence Day of Russia. Glory to Russia to the heroes of SALA laughing
                  1. kartalovkolya
                    kartalovkolya 9 March 2014 10: 25
                    0
                    Something too much pathos, well, everything is smooth and straightforward. Maybe you are right in something, but I don’t believe that all Germans are for Russia and Putin! Unless, for fear of a gas cut-off ...
              2. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 6 March 2014 11: 04
                0
                Thank you very much for your detailed comments. good
                1. I think so
                  I think so 8 March 2014 23: 21
                  0
                  Do not believe the stories of this Anastas ... You read the comments on filtered sites and then powders your brains ... You are "happy" ... In reality, an ordinary German citizen is under the HUGE PRESS OF THE MEDIA ... and there are no sites or comments do not mean ANYTHING ... 90% of Germans in the question of Ukraine are not on the side of Russia ... including Merkel ... Take off the pink glasses that they are trying to put on you ... Turn on your brain ... You are already too they deceived many times ... Well, the words of praising Putin ... are simply ridiculous ... This Putin p.r.o.s.r.a.l southeast of Ukraine in no way helping the Russian people there and this is at best, but at worst, he is simply a PARTICIPANT IN THE CONSIDERATION. Which one? And this ... Russia is giving up ALL of Ukraine to the West, and in return gets the Crimea ... And Putin looks like a hero and the West is happy. And that the Russian world is a loser, after such a DRAWING put on the edge of the abyss ... the West knows it, but Putin ... I doubt it ... as old as the world "leaders, beads, fire water."
  15. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 5 March 2014 10: 03
    +6
    It must be borne in mind that all these figures are “paper”: up to half of the equipment is, in fact, completely operational, absolutely all of it (except for 10 “Oplotov”) is very outdated, having practically exhausted the resource since it was produced in the USSR.

    But do not underestimate. Indeed, during the 2008 war, our planes were shot down, including by Ukrainian air defense systems.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 5 March 2014 18: 47
      0
      Quote: Kovrovsky
      Indeed, during the 2008 war, our planes were shot down, including by Ukrainian air defense systems.

      It would be strange if they hadn’t shot down. In general, their direct purpose
      Non-suppression of air defense is our jamb. How many were shot down as a percentage of sorties?
    2. Luke
      Luke 6 March 2014 07: 10
      0
      Soviet air defense systems. If you are talking about Avtobaza and anti-aircraft missiles. Although air defense exercises have not been held since the moment the plane was shot down in Tel Aviv.
  16. amigo1969
    amigo1969 5 March 2014 10: 20
    +4
    Article clearly +! Cold numbers and conclusions ... A bunch of scrap metal + a demoralized mass of people (I ask you to note - from DIFFERENT regions of Ukraine) who do not want to fight. The mobilization failed successfully - which is to be expected. It’s one thing to throw cobblestones in militia with dugouts in Kiev; it’s another thing to go to an army with real combat experience. I know firsthand the situation in the power structures of Ukraine - quite often, while serving, I flew there on business trips .... Even in the years that were no less stable for Ukraine - only the SBU and the Ministry of Internal Affairs were financed. The army of Ukraine is a storage base for old scrap, for subsequent sale))
  17. Mazadrive
    Mazadrive 5 March 2014 10: 42
    +2
    I recall shots from the movie "The Armed Baron"

    Thank you for the article and the numbers.
  18. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 5 March 2014 10: 44
    +6
    Even if the Ukrainian army had three tanks and one boat? Is that an occasion to speak arrogantly about her? Who needs a war between us?
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  19. mashine
    mashine 5 March 2014 11: 06
    +24
    at one time, this was our country that left the Ukrainian Armed Forces such an inheritance. The military-industrial complex, research institutes, design bureaus are still relevant. They still can’t sell it. Think about how powerful the USSR was if even 1 part of its former power that had been chopped off is still not finished. How much they sold, sold, cut for other people's grandmother, sent for scrap. Poor Ukraine Here it is a story, how proud, strong, bright, clean people sink to the bottom. The most annoying thing is that Ukrainians and Russians and Belarusians are 1 people. Not even brothers, but 1 people. Here are the Russians and Serbs - brothers. And Ukraine, Belarus, Russia - this is 1 organism. History will return everything to its place. May God see in his lifetime.
  20. Neophyte
    Neophyte 5 March 2014 11: 25
    +1
    I wonder what the Ukrainian army will do when they stop paying it?
    In any case, the Ukrainian military in the Crimea should understand this and
    go under the jurisdiction of the ARC. As long as information on the transition to the side of the ARC,
    contradictory. Time is needed for awareness.
    1. badger1974
      badger1974 5 March 2014 14: 06
      +7
      Everything is already our Crimean, subofficial officers of the outskirts were just bargaining, but I won’t give my kid back to the beginning of these officers, this is a priori
  21. pensioner
    pensioner 5 March 2014 11: 34
    +2
    The same applies to military air defense, where there are up to 60 anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) "Buk-M1"

    Already less ...
    96 MiG-29, including 18 MiG-29UB (up to 50 more in storage)
    Already less ... repeat
  22. pensioner
    pensioner 5 March 2014 11: 39
    +2
    There are certain doubts that the Ukrainian state is capable of really holding it.
    And here is your untruth, uncle! According to Euronews today it was shown that the doors to the military registration and enlistment offices in Kiev do not close. Draftees (all under- and over forty) in Ukrainian say that they are ready to the last drop of blood, etc.
    1. viktorR
      viktorR 5 March 2014 13: 21
      +3
      Well euronews are still those pi ... ly. Can’t you share the link?
  23. Sirop
    Sirop 5 March 2014 11: 51
    +3
    Yes, we do not have an army and will not be there for a long time, it’s sad (((!!!
  24. GRAY
    GRAY 5 March 2014 11: 52
    +14
    Quote: retired
    And here is your untruth, uncle! According to Euronews today it was shown that the doors to the military registration and enlistment offices in Kiev do not close.

    Closers must be installed laughing
  25. lordinicus
    lordinicus 5 March 2014 11: 53
    -6
    I can say for the Russian-speaking Ukrainians. Among my friends, no one refused to appear on the agenda, and they come. I understand that people over 25 are not being called up, people create lines for 25 who come themselves and there are many, very many. On the roads in the dark, air defense systems are transported, I personally saw 2 launchers, a radar and a control station from the S-300, which drove along the road and went to the side of the border with Russia.

    I don’t know how everyone is, but so many are ready to defend their homeland.

    I can say that people are not fighting weapons, but I think few people disagree with this. In Ukraine, there are people who are ready, to be honest, I do not know those who refuse to defend their homeland.
    1. viktorR
      viktorR 5 March 2014 13: 23
      +3
      And where exactly did you see passing PU?))
    2. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey 5 March 2014 13: 27
      +7
      From whom to protect from Russia? Or offered to rob in Russia, well, how are the bandits? Or do you seriously believe that the Russian army will start large-scale databases. Don't make my slippers laugh, but it will be like this - the longer the martial law is, the faster the army will scatter, because they need to eat, and besides the slogans about protecting the nenka, by the way, to defend from the evil one from the brothers, forgive the army to feed, dress and pay money, and father has a gold reserve of nem - watch the movie "Wedding in a Robin" - that's about the current situation in the outskirts.
    3. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey 5 March 2014 13: 27
      0
      From whom to protect from Russia? Or offered to rob in Russia, well, how are the bandits? Or do you seriously believe that the Russian army will start large-scale databases. Don't make my slippers laugh, but it will be like this - the longer the martial law is, the faster the army will scatter, because they need to eat, and besides the slogans about protecting the nenka, by the way, to defend from the evil one from the brothers, forgive the army to feed, dress and pay money, and father has a gold reserve of nem - watch the movie "Wedding in a Robin" - that's about the current situation in the outskirts.
    4. badger1974
      badger1974 5 March 2014 14: 16
      +11
      no ct 25 people out of 30 million? this is power - and I understand
      I’m Crimean, I personally saw with binoculars beyond Armenian how they prepare positions for D-20 152 mm, or in the outskirts of the army the new Mehlis, or the guys just don’t want to fight, stupidly burying guns under the caponier in the open, from the seven from the thermal bar you can all of them there put it, think about what patriotism and professionalism are, and the fact that the S-300 platform is jammed at the first power-up, the frequencies are known, the defender is ahead, and I will tickle you, the homeland - you are not the homeland but the ugly one
    5. Master_Lviv
      Master_Lviv 5 March 2014 15: 03
      +12
      Don’t you sign for all Russian-speaking Ukrainians, okay, dear? Many of my friends said that when they receive the summons, they won’t go anywhere. I, too, because I, and they consider the junta in power illegitimate, and no one will execute criminal orders.
      1. badger1974
        badger1974 5 March 2014 21: 35
        +1
        oooo, the notes of the "right sector" that sang gamayun,
        you’ll also go like a flock of sheep, this junta will also chase you to castration there. and go
        But there’s no pressure on the Crimeans anymore, is there an objection ?, then in the Crimea there are disassemblies, there are grape colas, the Black Sea crabs are hungry, come on, what’s up?
    6. pensioner
      pensioner 5 March 2014 17: 18
      +7
      Quote: lordinicus
      I don’t know how everyone is, but so many are ready to defend their homeland.

      In fact, it is customary to write Homeland. With a capital letter. This is the first. And secondly, if they personify your homeland (photo below), then accept my condolences. By the way: do not be surprised that you will have to protect ssaka too. According to his loud statement, he is Ukrainian ...:
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 5 March 2014 22: 28
        +3
        By the way: do not be surprised that you will have to protect ssaka too. According to his loud statement, he is Ukrainian ...:
        ....... the transmission of the spirit of the winners from timid Georgians took place in public ....... awesome advisers at the Maidan, och fighting, they hung a scarf on Misha’s snack ... look at the faces nickname and egg, gum is resting
    7. Hitrovan07
      Hitrovan07 5 March 2014 18: 09
      +2
      You are right, people are fighting - and with whom exactly are you going to fight?
      With Russia?
      Or against Yanukovych?
      Can you imagine the image of an "enemy" yourself?
      Your comment shows that Russia in vain sided with half of the inhabitants of Ukraine.
    8. Anastasios
      Anastasios 5 March 2014 18: 44
      +8
      and who will you fight for? for Kolomoisky, Turchinov, Gepu and dopu ??? what will you have from this? You are brainwashed cannon fodder. Once again I will say: GERMANS DO NOT WAIT FOR YOU !!! Stay at home, Build your country and do not give yourself to us.
      1. tracer
        tracer 5 March 2014 20: 41
        +5
        Vladimir Vladimirovich often talks with Angela Merkel on the phone. He is a man not married ..... She is also not married. But what if ? The case .. young .... Then it’s precisely from such a union that many hiccups form and colic in the stomach. wassat repeat
        1. Jager
          Jager 5 March 2014 23: 58
          +3
          In this case, Russia will grow not only in Crimea, but in general throughout Europe and make the EU part of the Customs Union. And then for the first and last time I will vote for GDP, but - until the end of time! laughing

          And on the sly we'll send Old Man to restore order in the fraternal republic. I am sure that in the spring, when sowing potatoes, somewhere in the Belarusian outback, we will see "freedom fighters" Yatsenyuk and Yarosh in quilted jackets and with shovels in white handles. As the saying goes, "labor made a person out of the opposition." soldier
    9. Danilov
      Danilov 5 March 2014 21: 29
      +1
      You say that there are already queues at the military registration and enlistment offices for mobilization, and "there are many, very many." Well, where are these very many in a real situation? Where are these hundreds of thousands of soldiers outraged by the monstrous aggression who are ready to give their lives for "Nezalezhnaya"? Dear, or you have been misled, or you are simply lying. Personally, I think you are a liar.
    10. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 9 March 2014 10: 31
      0
      You are just a vile PROVOCATOR, go out of the site, otherwise you will be on the "shit"!
  26. Gray 43
    Gray 43 5 March 2014 11: 55
    +1
    Yeah, review, I thought that not so bad ...
  27. Makarov
    Makarov 5 March 2014 12: 03
    -1
    While living here, I saw solid lines in the military enlistment office in small towns and this is the East of Ukraine ... you’ll more likely try to assess the situation, otherwise you’ve already been engaged in cap-hacking - in the distant 41st year ..... and the fighting spirit of those who decided to go to war is high ... most likely among young animals before the first shot, but there are a lot of officers. Basically these are those that for 20 years are used to living in a state separate from Russia + the lack of propoganda from Russia for 20 years has done its job .... and there are many such people ... if I hadn’t seen it I wouldn’t believe it
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 5 March 2014 13: 18
      +5
      Quote: Makarov
      Living here, I saw in small towns solid lines at the draft board and this is the East of Ukraine ...

      They were deregistered. yes
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    2. badger1974
      badger1974 5 March 2014 14: 32
      +12
      You saw solid queues to receive the promised babal, the recruited for the collection does not go home to go further to do his own thing, but goes to the command of the commander of the following group to the distributor, if the screw is to "quarantine" if the nail is to the "crew", do not carry nonsense here mares, stupid person, do you even know the fundamental documents that regulate mobilization? and I called my kent in the outskirts, so he said that the recruits should arrive with a week's ration and at least 200 hryvnia, so people come in and out going about their business
      clarification, I'm from the Crimea, we are all under arms, and we need your furniture
      1. iConst
        iConst 5 March 2014 15: 28
        +7
        Quote: badger1974
        ... your furnishing
        Smiled smile
  28. bvi1965
    bvi1965 5 March 2014 12: 16
    +2
    Quote: Sergey7311
    It is sad to admit, but the Ukrainian army is a rather miserable sight ... The government, such an impression, has not dealt with the defense of the country at all for the last fifteen years. The power of the Soviet army turned into the power of the Ukrainian army. But this is not her fault, but trouble. And the blame on Kuchma, Yushchenko, Yanukovych and those who have a lower rank and rank ...


    And why did they have to do defense? And Russia for what. It will help if fraternally.
  29. GRAY
    GRAY 5 March 2014 12: 30
    +2
    Quote: lordinicus
    I understand they don’t call people over 25, people create lines for 25 who come themselves and there are many, very many

    This is called conducting training with the military.
  30. Gagarin
    Gagarin 5 March 2014 12: 33
    +3
    Fighting spirit, the state of iron of the Ukrainian army is certainly deplorable, but nonetheless the presence of hundreds! tanks, rocket and art systems, Grads, Mi-24, Drying is not a trifle, ticking or even for the sake of provocation it is possible to slam the door very loudly ...
    1. Hitrovan07
      Hitrovan07 5 March 2014 18: 15
      +1
      Yeah, under this door your army will be buried.
      And who will be to blame - Russia or those "revolutionaries" who came to power in Kiev.
      Yanukovych - a rag, a corrupt official and a scoundrel.
      BUT those who came in no better way.
      Think with your own head and not with propaganda, you think that you will defend your Motherland - so you are really "cannon fodder", your new authorities will show themselves just like the Georgian Saakashvili (remember how he valiantly ran under the flashes of cameras). As a result, you are at that very "door", and your new leaders are in their villas in the West.
  31. Aydar
    Aydar 5 March 2014 12: 46
    +3
    how many military, transport, helicopter planes, air defense systems and artillery systems, tanks and armored vehicles and all to prosrat !!! what is the fighting spirit of the army, if the soldier is hungry, and there were no major exercises. not an army but a rabble. how much good is gone !!! several pairs of IL-76 and a couple of dozen Mig-29, then we will certainly find application. Chimkent base and Semipalatinsk base are re-opening.
  32. lordinicus
    lordinicus 5 March 2014 12: 49
    -10%
    I thought not to write, but decided what was needed.

    I am 30 and I thought that Ukraine and Russia will be together I do not know as a single state, union or just allies. This is logical, we speak the same or a similar language, even with a language barrier we can always understand each other 100%, it is much more difficult to communicate with people from other nations, the question is not in the language barrier they think differently, the values ​​are different.

    But what is happening now plunged me into shock and horror. I thought, well, Tsar Putin sent troops into the Crimea, well, there are many Russians there who support this venture. But when I started talking with my relatives from Russia, I was shocked by what they say! It seems that people have brainwashed, such nonsense is even difficult to come up with. Well, I think okay, my relatives are not an indicator of who does not happen. But when the staff and friends began to say that their relatives in Russia were saying the same fumble as mine, I was horrified.

    In short, what relatives from Russia say - that we in Ukraine became Russophobes, that we hate Russians. To be honest, this offended me at first, I’m not a Russophobe and I don’t have any hatred for Russians! But then I thought, I’m an adult, I need to talk around sharp corners, but where is the anger in my heart, they hate me because I support the removal of the criminal Yanyk and I think it’s wrong that Putin sent troops to the Crimea (not Russian, and the Way). In reality, people have anger in their hearts, and all acquaintances and friends say that their relatives in Russia also have anger in their hearts!

    If you are Russian and you have read this message to the end, please turn it around, all Russian speaking Ukrainians are not Russophobes, they do not hate Russians. We had sorrow in our country, we had a prisoner who worked in the country HORROR (my little example of horror - people came to a friend and said give your company for price or the prosecutor’s office would send you, the people were from Yanyka-son, the friend’s family lived I have a few days, they were afraid)! Now, soldiers have invaded our country without any real reason why no one understands foreign soldiers, Russian-speaking Ukrainians do not understand. People who live in Ukraine are scared, really scary, but from Russia they say that we hate them and that soldiers are right in Crimea!

    Now there is an abyss between Ukrainians and Russians, not between the authorities, but really between people. Russian-speaking Ukrainians have never had hatred of Russia, but it is born; I see it every day from my friends, and they are all Russian-speaking. People in Russia, please come to your senses, what they say on the telly about us is a lie, almost everyone in Ukraine already understands this.
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 5 March 2014 13: 06
      +6
      Neo-Nazis from all over Europe have drawn to you. What for? Nobody understands this here.
      1. lordinicus
        lordinicus 5 March 2014 13: 16
        -13%
        What are neo-Nazis? Relatives brought me this brain. Not that I, neither my acquaintances nor acquaintances of acquaintances, no one saw these notorious neo-Nazis.

        Climbing up on Russian news sites, I did not see any news about these comrades. Who is it? Actually in Ukraine no one has seen and does not know about these neo-Nazis.
        1. ArhipenkoAndrey
          ArhipenkoAndrey 5 March 2014 13: 30
          +9
          And I did not see the portrait of Bandera on the wall either, comrade, do you live in the cellar?
          1. lordinicus
            lordinicus 5 March 2014 13: 41
            -10%
            Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
            And I did not see the portrait of Bandera on the wall either, comrade, do you live in the cellar?

            In general, I can’t understand why all of you found Bender, he spent the whole war with the Nazis in a concentration camp. You Shukhevych need this is really a criminal.

            I have never seen a portrait of Bender on the wall in my entire life. Maybe in western Ukraine there is but their problems. I have no friend or acquaintance zapadentse, all my friends and acquaintances from the east and the center of Ukraine we do not have this! If some scumbag hangs in his office a portrait of Bender and God forbid Shukhevych, the dude will be dick. But Russian-speaking Ukrainians do not have this, NO ONE!
            1. Luke
              Luke 6 March 2014 07: 27
              0
              In the center of Kiev are portraits of Bandera Ishukhevych. Bandera sat from 42 to 44. At 41, he fought against the SA. At 44 he covered up the retreat of Hitler.
        2. ArhipenkoAndrey
          ArhipenkoAndrey 5 March 2014 13: 30
          +2
          And I did not see the portrait of Bandera on the wall either, comrade, do you live in the cellar?
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        4. GRAY
          GRAY 5 March 2014 13: 48
          +2
          http://topwar.ru/page,1,2,40717-v-kiev-stekayutsya-evropeyskie-neonacisty.html
        5. IOwTZ
          IOwTZ 5 March 2014 14: 51
          +3
          Quote: lordinicus
          What are neo-Nazis? Relatives brought me this brain. Not that I, neither my acquaintances nor acquaintances of acquaintances, no one saw these notorious neo-Nazis.


          Is it clearer? And then some nonsense.
        6. Luke
          Luke 6 March 2014 07: 24
          0
          Bandera, Shukhevych, OUN-UPA, Muzychko, Tyagnibok, Yarosh. Here are your heroes for six months. Do you offer to love them?
    2. Vl690006
      Vl690006 5 March 2014 13: 25
      +10
      The representative of Ukraine to the UN said that the USSR at one time provided fabricated information in the Nuremberg trials and that Bandera also fought against fascism and did not participate in punitive operations.
      You are for such a future UKRAINE. This is what the official representative said.
      And Putin already said that Yanek himself brought your country to such a state, etc.
      + they’ve just shown on TV how in Rivne the mother of the prosecutor whom your Yarosh whipped at his workplace said in a great mov that she had worked as a teacher all her life and that his son was an honest man. She also added that Yarosh was a bandit who killed people and that his place was in prison.
      1. lordinicus
        lordinicus 5 March 2014 13: 34
        -9
        Quote: Vl690006
        The representative of Ukraine to the UN said that the USSR at one time provided fabricated information in the Nuremberg trials and that Bandera also fought against fascism and did not participate in punitive operations.
        You are for such a future UKRAINE. This is what the official representative said.
        And Putin already said that Yanek himself brought your country to such a state, etc.
        + they’ve just shown on TV how in Rivne the mother of the prosecutor whom your Yarosh whipped at his workplace said in a great mov that she had worked as a teacher all her life and that his son was an honest man. She also added that Yarosh was a bandit who killed people and that his place was in prison.


        They speak on TV and write to everyone who is not lazy. If such was the case, let the relevant authorities understand it, it’s obviously episodic episodes that’s not massive. I speak for myself all that I heard and saw. I didn’t see neo-Nazis on my street, I didn’t see my friends, I didn’t see my acquaintances. What are you speaking about!
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 5 March 2014 19: 58
          +2
          Quote: lordinicus
          I didn’t see neo-Nazis on my street, I didn’t see my friends, I didn’t see my acquaintances. What are you speaking about!

          Dear, where do you live? If in the East, then they have not yet reached you apparently.
          Quote: lordinicus
          all Russian speaking Ukrainians are not Russophobes, Russians do not hate

          No one doubts this. The conversation that the Zapadents seized power in Kiev.
          Quote: lordinicus
          In short, what relatives from Russia say - that we in Ukraine became Russophobes, that we hate Russians.

          Specifically, no one hates the Ukrainian people, after all, they lived together for 23 years, they were mutually beneficial. The problem is that the Ukrainian people believe that Russia is to blame for all troubles. Gas is expensive, Russia is to blame, the standard of living is low, Russia is to blame. You vote for whom you consider necessary and will continue to agree.
          Yanukovych, of course, since she wanted to please both yours and ours. For me, live as you want. But tell me, honestly, under what president did you live well? Now we are waiting for our 90s, we were also given advice by the ICF how to live, the result is known. I would like to make a mistake, but soon they will beat for Russian speech at best
        2. badger1974
          badger1974 6 March 2014 01: 30
          -1
          yes there. fools-friends if you barely recognize yourself in the mirror, if at all, you turn to a drug dispensary before it's too late. otherwise you’ll find that when it’s not the head that cut the neighbor’s head, but controlled by the devil, you already have a clear diagnosis
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    4. Setrac
      Setrac 5 March 2014 13: 27
      +6
      Quote: lordinicus
      I thought, well, Tsar Putin sent troops into the Crimea, well, there are many Russians there who support this venture.

      This is not so, the Russian army was in Crimea BEFORE all these events.
      1. lordinicus
        lordinicus 5 March 2014 13: 35
        -7
        Quote: Setrac
        This is not so, the Russian army was in Crimea BEFORE all these events.


        Yes, there was the Russian army, like friends were, but now we see the Russian-speaking Ukrainians as the Russian army is very not friendly.
        1. badger1974
          badger1974 5 March 2014 14: 48
          +13
          after March 30 and Crimea you will be unfriendly morons, but rather a nail in your outskirts of the coffin
          1. Tema_zp
            Tema_zp 5 March 2014 18: 49
            0
            I have been a fan of this site for a long time. A lot of interesting and informative articles on historical and military topics.
            I am a resident of Zaporozhye and even though I am Russian by nationality I have been living in Ukraine since birth.
            What happened in my country can be called differently (coup, revolution), but this is our common problem, and above all, the citizens of Ukraine. Dear until March 30, you are the same citizen of Ukraine as I am (you have the same passport as mine) to write such things is not beautiful and stupid.
            I love my homeland Ukraine, like most users of this site love my homeland. I understand perfectly well that in the event of a military conflict with Russia, the chances of winning this war are 0, but I respect the people who are now standing near the military registration and enlistment office. They are doing their duty. As I assume, if mobilized, users of this site will fulfill their duty in relation to their homeland. I don’t understand why Crimea should be an enemy in relation to me or my relatives, because I didn’t feel any aggression towards the inhabitants of Crimea. I think you should still apologize.
          2. Tema_zp
            Tema_zp 5 March 2014 18: 49
            0
            I have been a fan of this site for a long time. A lot of interesting and informative articles on historical and military topics.
            I am a resident of Zaporozhye and even though I am Russian by nationality I have been living in Ukraine since birth.
            What happened in my country can be called differently (coup, revolution), but this is our common problem, and above all, the citizens of Ukraine. Dear until March 30, you are the same citizen of Ukraine as I am (you have the same passport as mine) to write such things is not beautiful and stupid.
            I love my homeland Ukraine, like most users of this site love my homeland. I understand perfectly well that in the event of a military conflict with Russia, the chances of winning this war are 0, but I respect the people who are now standing near the military registration and enlistment office. They are doing their duty. As I assume, if mobilized, users of this site will fulfill their duty in relation to their homeland. I don’t understand why Crimea should be an enemy in relation to me or my relatives, because I didn’t feel any aggression towards the inhabitants of Crimea. I think you should still apologize.
            1. badger1974
              badger1974 5 March 2014 21: 58
              +1
              I’ll tell you so dear, it’s already fed up with this western subsidized rowing, which has only a gas pipe, songs and dances, constant swearing, judicial wars with each other and complete failures in the technical sphere of production, poverty has faded away, this lackeys have faded, if you are stupid, then stupid, go to castration, and Crimea has always been on the hind legs since 1991 - remind me of a year? when they tried to break the Crimeans, I was sick of living by cattle, live by cattle,
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 5 March 2014 17: 30
          +6
          Quote: lordinicus
          Yes, there was the Russian army, like friends were, but now we see the Russian-speaking Ukrainians as the Russian army is very not friendly.

          Yes, anything can be seen for you, paid for Sevastopol, wipe silently. And what does Russian-speaking mean? Is it a bandera? There are Russian citizens of Ukraine - these are Russian (whom you promise to cut Bandera), and there are Russian speakers - these are Bandera, so you have a suitcase for a Bandera - a station - Europe.
          Nobody holds you on the Russian land of Ukraine.
    5. aquatic
      aquatic 5 March 2014 17: 54
      +6
      Change your training manuals, such propaganda does not work with us, hire professionals)
      Putin is not the Tsar. Right sector fascists? Yarosh - Fuhrer? opposition (K, I, etc. - rags that do not solve anything, which they openly send to .. those who brought them to power - read the Ukrainian forum, what they write about them, oh well, you know)

      everything else in your text is nonsense, Ukrainians for the most part are not Russophobes, and who is Russophobe is exclusively his problem and not our Russian people) and, by and large, we should put this down to it. There is no abyss between Ukrainians and Russians, because we are one people.
      Putin did NOT inject wax until he injected; the fleet contingent was always there; he was there legally! it was simply brought to the maximum permitted by the contract.
      and Putin told you quite clearly and clearly, it's up to your people, not you personally! not fascists! to all the people! and if someone wants to start killing in order to force others to decide "differently" you will regret. If your militia, which you spat on and burned, your army, which you do not respect, will not or will not be able to protect people, mothers, wives, smiling children, respected old people, peasants and family defenders
      - then they will have to be protected by a Russian soldier. We do not want this, we hope that your militia army will manage the peasants, BUT, if you have to, it is clear that you said IT WILL BE SORRY ANYONE!
      so go home is not yet cognitive
    6. Hitrovan07
      Hitrovan07 5 March 2014 18: 20
      +5
      Russians don’t hate Ukrainians, it doesn’t matter if they speak Russian or not. And your elite is no different from the Russian elite (the same corruption, money and real estate in the West). But the Russians did not bring the Nazis, bandits to power and did not kill people on the street - you have Maidan, we have Bolotnaya. You have blood - we are all alive and well. You better think about why it happened and why you have written so much about hatred of Russia and nothing about why you yourself have achieved SUCH results in your country.
    7. Prutkov
      Prutkov 5 March 2014 19: 11
      +5
      I do not quite agree with you. Yanyk is a thief. It's not even discussed. But in order for him to leave the presidency, it was necessary to wait for the elections in March 15th year. It wouldn't have passed anyway. And no Donetsk helped him. But to bring the country to bankruptcy by the Maidan ?! Go into debt to the IMF ?! what awaits us next? Rising prices FOR EVERYTHING, freezing wages and social services, raising the retirement age, including the military. The austerity regime has not helped anyone, not Greece, Cyprus, or Spain. Life will stop. Business, and in our country it is built on trade, will die. Soon we will remember the Yanukovych-Azarov regime as a bright past. They even drew a social budget. And what do our new ones draw? I am glad for Crimea, that they have a chance to heal normally.
      1. badger1974
        badger1974 5 March 2014 22: 11
        +1
        this is koment of a sane person, so we Crimeans thought, but since it’s like that, maybe it’s the best, but the Ukrainians are sorry, they’ll have to tie the belly in front if they’ll sit on your ass, it’s still lost for you. get up from your knees, there is an opportunity, miss it
      2. Luke
        Luke 6 March 2014 07: 43
        0
        You knowingly took the pseudonym of a wise man. So far you have the most sensible comment.
  33. bender8282
    bender8282 5 March 2014 12: 53
    +3
    and with whom is this army actually fighting? with their citizens?
  34. Megatron
    Megatron 5 March 2014 13: 06
    +3
    Makarov
    And to hell with them, they will give one Kalash for five, and 90% after the first shots will still run away.
    From such "officers" who have been sitting on the stove for 20 years is also questionable.
  35. M72
    M72 5 March 2014 13: 07
    +9

    Really "polite military"))))
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 5 March 2014 20: 53
      +3
      Quote: M72
      Really "polite military

      Great guy!
  36. Semenov
    Semenov 5 March 2014 13: 07
    +7
    All this is propaganda. Mobilization will undoubtedly be useful for confusion and deepening economic chaos. It was the opposite today to look at the contented Kerry and the insignificant and miserable Yatsenyuk and Turchinov as they clung to Kerry for the promised billion. You can’t get a lot of such leaders, although they already nowhere - no one needs it.
    1. lordinicus
      lordinicus 5 March 2014 13: 29
      -14%
      Here you are wrong in the bud.
      "Mobilization" and the external threat brought together people, men and women, 20s and 50s. I say what I saw with my own eyes.

      Regarding billion Kerry
      We need help, real help, not words. Our currency is getting cheaper, I am already getting 25% less, and prices in dollars have remained the same. Russia does not want to help; she has covered a loan. The loan did not cover Yatsenyuk, but me.
      If Russia gives a loan, I will vote for a politician who will advocate good relations with Russia, because I will know Russia will help. In the meantime, Russia does not help, but only makes it worse, and judge for yourself why should I vote for a politician who will negotiate with Putin again for the hundredth time for some reason. The West said, the West did, and Russia said one thing, but did a completely different one? This is now seen by everyone in Ukraine, and above all by Russian-speaking Ukrainians.

      You are talking about some kind of geopolitics, I need to support my family.
      1. ArhipenkoAndrey
        ArhipenkoAndrey 5 March 2014 13: 35
        +8
        Yes, such an impulse and for peaceful purposes, you rallied and began to rebuild the economy, clean the Maidan from shit, forgive me, and rallied with my brothers to fight and beg for pennies - it’s a shame who gives credit to one and the other, it’s necessary to give credit to the owners will not have to give?
        1. lordinicus
          lordinicus 5 March 2014 13: 45
          -10%
          Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
          Yes, such an impulse and for peaceful purposes, you rallied and began to rebuild the economy, clean the Maidan from shit, forgive me, and rallied with my brothers to fight and beg for pennies - it’s a shame who gives credit to one and the other, it’s necessary to give credit to the owners will not have to give?

          The Ukrainians did not lead their army to Russia. So you write about the brothers - and who is ready to help us. Not a single country in the world wants to help us, even the famous Europe, only America says something about help. Where is Russia, well, where? Do you want to help the soldiers so that a war starts on my street? Why do I need such help, help peacefully!
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 5 March 2014 17: 36
            0
            Quote: lordinicus
            Not a single country in the world wants to help us, even the famous Europe, only America says something about help. Where is Russia, well, where?

            I wonder what character you need help with.
          2. Luke
            Luke 6 March 2014 07: 50
            0
            Russia did not enter its army anywhere. It has been in the Crimea since Soviet times. And now under the contract of 1997.
          3. kartalovkolya
            kartalovkolya 9 March 2014 11: 43
            0
            Oh, you blind man! Yes, the war has already begun at you.
        2. slon53
          slon53 5 March 2014 15: 11
          +6
          Quote: "About the billion Kerry.
          We need help, real help, not words ... The West said, the West did, but Russia said one thing and did something completely different? This is seen now by everyone in Ukraine and, above all, by Russian-speaking Ukrainians. "

          Putin offered you 15 (fifteen billion), they gave you three, that's bad, but for one billion from the "minke" you are crucifying - the West said, the West did.
          And what about real help - what did you do yourself to put the Nazis in their place in your country?

          And the song is constant - now Russia, before the USSR they had to give everything, and it was in the order of things, as you almost cursed.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 5 March 2014 17: 38
            +2
            Quote: slon53
            And the song is constant - now Russia, before the USSR they had to give everything, and it was in the order of things, as you almost cursed.

            So for this Russian "former" hate that they stopped giving.
          2. Ukraine
            Ukraine 15 March 2014 04: 16
            0
            Do you know where the Russian money went? I'll tell you! during the Maidan "Berkutovets" received from 200 to 400 dollars a day! special prize for a detainee in riot. you should have seen whom you detained! students from the Institute of Culture and a sixty-two-year old man who threw a grocery bag towards the thugs! after the flight of the Yanyk and those close to him, they counted the treasury - they didn’t find your billions! only the gold and foreign exchange reserves remained!
            1. Kolovrat77
              Kolovrat77 15 March 2014 04: 29
              0
              WE ARE NOT SORRY, YOU WANT TO GIVE YOU THESE FANTASTS AS Fool MAKHORKI. TELL BETTER AS BANDERLOGS FOR 20 YEARS FROM ECONOMIC LEADER, UKRAINE HAS BEEN POVERTY.
        3. slon53
          slon53 5 March 2014 15: 11
          +1
          Quote: "About the billion Kerry.
          We need help, real help, not words ... The West said, the West did, but Russia said one thing and did something completely different? This is seen now by everyone in Ukraine and, above all, by Russian-speaking Ukrainians. "

          Putin offered you 15 (fifteen billion), they gave you three, that's bad, but for one billion from the "minke" you are crucifying - the West said, the West did.
          And what about real help - what did you do yourself to put the Nazis in their place in your country?

          And the song is constant - now Russia, before the USSR they had to give everything, and it was in the order of things, as you almost cursed.
      2. Saburov
        Saburov 5 March 2014 13: 52
        +2
        So we would give whom we would give, otherwise your grief-rulers will steal everything as always. In general, REVOLUTION IS A CHANGE OF PUBLIC FORMATION, that is, there was a monarchy, a bourgeois republic or communism has become, and you have only crooks who have moved the old and at the same time they are also trying to play off people with their brothers, they would refuse the Nazis, condemn them, or give us Sashko Bely and Yarosh as a sign that they are against the fascist element and then it would become clear that we would agree. Your former president, although he was a thief but he didn’t incite people to the bloody slaughter, even police forbade the use of weapons, and these newly-minted rare corrupt su..i!
        1. lordinicus
          lordinicus 5 March 2014 13: 59
          -8
          Quote: Saburov
          So we would give whom we would give, otherwise your grief-rulers will steal everything as always. In general, REVOLUTION IS A CHANGE OF PUBLIC FORMATION, that is, there was a monarchy, a bourgeois republic or communism has become, and you have only crooks who have moved the old and at the same time they are also trying to play off people with their brothers, they would refuse the Nazis, condemn them, or give us Sashko Bely and Yarosh as a sign that they are against the fascist element and then it would become clear that we would agree. Your former president, although he was a thief but he didn’t incite people to the bloody slaughter, even police forbade the use of weapons, and these newly-minted rare corrupt su..i!

          That is, saving me is only the entry of Russian troops into my city, so that they would search me and force me to do something? Not a dude, things are not done like that, now no one is forcing me to anything and I freely go and speak. Whether I will resist the restriction of my rights, oh, how I believe it, and all my friends and acquaintances will be, no one will just sit like loshpeny and nod, if the king the priest said, then it’s pavilion no matter what.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 5 March 2014 17: 39
            +3
            Quote: lordinicus
            That is, saving me is only the entry of Russian troops into my city, so that they would search me and force me to do something?

            Do you have Russian troops in your city? Are you being searched? Forcing to what? smile
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          3. Vl690006
            Vl690006 5 March 2014 18: 26
            0
            First you need to work in order to feed your family, then you need to fight along the streets. Decide all the same.
            For example, from November 16, 2013 to September 28, 2014 I am on official holidays and holidays (earned). And he distributed about 1 million rubles to these children and siblings so that they would not ask.
          4. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 5 March 2014 20: 24
            +2
            Quote: lordinicus
            and I walk and speak freely

            Well done, keep walking. If you didn’t go and helped Berkut, now you would get your 20 billion. It’s funny to listen to you. The troops will come, search you and force you to do something bad))))
          5. aquatic
            aquatic 5 March 2014 22: 23
            0
            searched you?))) forced?
            read the draft laws of your revolutionaries) it will not be possible to speak freely in Russian soon) if you don’t take your mind and you are fond of) or words about the struggle for your rights are worthless
          6. Luke
            Luke 6 March 2014 07: 53
            0
            To you, no one is going to Lviv. The man wanted to say that money is given to legitimate representatives of the state. There are no such people in Ukraine now. And do not give it away to everyone so precisely!
        2. badger1974
          badger1974 5 March 2014 22: 17
          +1
          After March 30, Muzychenko and Yarosh will have the ground burning under their feet, if Aksyon says to water them in latrines, then we will provide them completely in the city of Nes, this is a matter of time, and Aksyon has already mentioned us once, then the process has already begun
      3. badger1974
        badger1974 5 March 2014 14: 53
        +5
        you don’t need help, but castration is needed, and a place in a separate room with soft walls, and in no case but a tuxedo, degi
        1. Tema_zp
          Tema_zp 5 March 2014 20: 57
          +1
          Why are you so evil? As if Bendera's people are knocking at your door right now. Regarding Crimea, everything is clear. The Russian Federation showed everyone that Crimea is in the sphere of its geopolitical interests. You will hold your referendum. Yatsenyuk's government cannot do anything about it. He does not have an army to enter the Crimea. You yourself will drive away various extremist groups. For you "polite guys on Russian technology." The only problem is with the Tatars.
          I live in Zaporozhye. The region is not going to secede. How to live in future Ukraine with an increase in communal services, an increase in taxes and the possible adoption of some kind of anti-Russian legislation is not known, and even less hysteria.
          1. aquatic
            aquatic 5 March 2014 22: 28
            +1
            don’t worry brother, the fascists will not be at your helm, and they will not be waiting for you in Europe, the rest depends a lot on you.
          2. badger1974
            badger1974 5 March 2014 22: 36
            0
            hysteria is a mental illness associated with the impossible achievement of a goal due to circumstances or reasons. but impotence is clearly evident in you, just as you will go to castration, and you will lead the child. the polite guys in the west will explain to you that it’s so much better. explained to the Romanians, the Bulgarians, identity, Greece and the newly arrived nonsense, but by the way, your children do not smoke with organs, do they smoke? for countries such donors
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      4. Vl690006
        Vl690006 5 March 2014 15: 03
        +3
        Russia gave a loan under Azarov. What is the problem?
      5. Vl690006
        Vl690006 5 March 2014 15: 03
        0
        Russia gave a loan under Azarov. What is the problem?
      6. Megatron
        Megatron 5 March 2014 15: 25
        +3
        The loan did not cover Yatsenyuk, but me

        On the contrary, they will plunder Yatsenyuk with Tyagnibok, and you and your family will pay!
      7. iConst
        iConst 5 March 2014 15: 54
        +2
        Quote: lordinicus
        ... We need help, real help, not words. Our currency is getting cheaper, I am already getting 25% less, and prices in dollars have remained the same. Russia does not want to help; she has covered a loan. The loan did not cover Yatsenyuk, but to me ...
        Yeah, Yatsenyuk will transfer the money, and he will share with you ... Keep your pocket wider! As wide as possible! laughing
        And anyway - did he understand what he just said? In what perspective did you set it?

        This is the behavior of a prostitute.
      8. Tema_zp
        Tema_zp 5 March 2014 19: 02
        0
        As a rule, assistance at the state level translates into lending. For example, IMF, EU, Russia, etc. (don't cling to the lenders order)
        The main principles of lending are:
        urgency - for how long is the loan given (How much to pay?)
        profitability - why pay?
        security - in this case, these are any securities of Ukraine. The guarantor of which is the government. Now someone can guarantee that the government of Yatsenyuk will last a year or two? Maybe in six months there will be another Maidan and the next ruler will do what Grandfather Lenin did (I didn’t take creditors and whoever took it and go ahead). Like that. Help to the population can come from public organizations (Russian, European)
      9. Tema_zp
        Tema_zp 5 March 2014 19: 02
        0
        As a rule, assistance at the state level translates into lending. For example, IMF, EU, Russia, etc. (don't cling to the lenders order)
        The main principles of lending are:
        urgency - for how long is the loan given (How much to pay?)
        profitability - why pay?
        security - in this case, these are any securities of Ukraine. The guarantor of which is the government. Now someone can guarantee that the government of Yatsenyuk will last a year or two? Maybe in six months there will be another Maidan and the next ruler will do what Grandfather Lenin did (I didn’t take creditors and whoever took it and go ahead). Like that. Help to the population can come from public organizations (Russian, European)
      10. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 5 March 2014 20: 14
        +1
        Quote: lordinicus
        Russia does not want to help; she has covered a loan. The loan did not cover Yatsenyuk, but me.

        It would be strange if it hadn’t covered up. Where have you already received 5 billion? Money has not been paid for gas .... You are clearly told: there is an agreement between Yanukovych and the three Bulbashs: to hold elections. Tomorrow, instead of Yatsenyuk, Tymoshenko will come and say that she didn’t ask for money and doesn’t know anything. you decide and then we will talk with the legitimately elected president. and this ..... Russia also has a rubber budget
        Quote: lordinicus
        which will again agree for the hundredth time with Putin is unclear what

        The conversation may be about gas, trade, and orders for your plants. + Entry into the Customs Union. Billion Kerry and 20 billion Russia are slightly different amounts. Moreover, the International Monetary Fund has set you nice conditions
      11. aquatic
        aquatic 5 March 2014 22: 19
        +1
        Russia helped you and BEFORE the Maidan, money was given before your "revolution", practically without conditions) but now if you don't take your mind, you will do as the West said ... and -25% is not the limit, there we are talking about doubling payments FOR EVERYTHING.
      12. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
        Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 6 March 2014 01: 09
        0
        Russia was ready to give a loan to friendly Ukraine, and not to the one where the government chooses Bandera. We have already poured so much money into the economy of Ukraine, and all is not enough for you. We sat on a pipe and hung legs. Yes, we have gas for the population more expensive than yours. Enough, tired. You can’t put things in order, your problems. Divorce and maiden name. Everyone should remain at their own, what you received after the Pereyaslavskaya joy from the bounty of Russia - return and sail on yourself, as you know. Swim, look and come back. We will accept, we are kind.
      13. Luke
        Luke 6 March 2014 07: 47
        0
        And what did the west do? How much money did you give? And Russia without further ado gave 3 lard and a discount on gas. What did the EU give?
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  38. M72
    M72 5 March 2014 13: 48
    +5
    Quote: lordinicus
    In the meantime, Russia does not help, but only makes it worse, and judge for yourself why should I vote for a politician who will negotiate with Putin again for the hundredth time for some reason. The West said, the West did, and Russia said one thing, but did a completely different one? This is now seen by everyone in Ukraine, and above all by Russian-speaking Ukrainians.

    But how can I give something to your leaders if they try to sit with their ass on 2 chairs, from which even the ass cracked.
    Here is a striking example of Lukashenko ... chose a strategy of friendship with Russia and there are no problems at all. Even the oligarch from Uralkali agreed normally, without hysteria.
    In general, the prevailing opinion that is necessary for you in the European Union, kind of, is good there. Do you all want to leave for Europe? And who will raise your country ???
    If you do not need your country, then maybe we’ll already agree ... we are helping you all to move to Europe, and we will take back the land.
    1. lordinicus
      lordinicus 5 March 2014 13: 55
      -12%
      And I do not care for my leaders, I will not pray for them.
      I know only for myself and friends and acquaintances. We all see now that Russia is not helping and wants to destroy everything in Ukraine, and that’s exactly what we see here sitting in cities where 100% of the population speak Russian.

      I see that Russia is raising prices for all the crap that is possible, closes the borders on the goods that I do with my own hands. Well, where is the help? There is not even a word about help from Russia. Why should I be friends with Putin if he only makes it worse, plus he sets my family in Russia against me. What is friendship and brotherhood?
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 5 March 2014 17: 42
        0
        Quote: lordinicus
        I see that Russia is raising prices for all the crap that is possible, closes the borders on the goods that I do with my own hands. Well, where is the help?

        But you want to be on friendly terms with Europe, what kind of trade with the "occupiers" can there be? Be consistent.
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 5 March 2014 20: 18
        0
        Quote: lordinicus
        We all see now that Russia does not help and wants to destroy everything in Ukraine

        Tell me specifically, what do you want from Russia? How much money to give so that you feel good? Maybe gas is free? And will a driller on Yamal get it for free? Our gas is more expensive than your price
      3. aquatic
        aquatic 5 March 2014 22: 32
        +2
        going to be friends for money?))) BEAUTY)) for some reason I'm not surprised
      4. mazdie
        mazdie 5 March 2014 22: 38
        0
        Russia will not give a ruble of illegitimate power, choose a president, then I'll talk
      5. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
        Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 6 March 2014 01: 14
        0
        And without help is already impossible? But they were the richest republic of the Union! Than whining, would work better. If you do poorly and expensively, who will take your goods? And as for the price increase, so in Russia the prices are higher than yours. Why should we supply you something at bargain prices? What friendship and brotherhood are there, if you can only hear from you: give, give, give.
      6. Luke
        Luke 6 March 2014 08: 01
        0
        What did Russia raise prices for? What do you do to the manufacturer yourself?
  39. M72
    M72 5 March 2014 13: 57
    +1
    Quote: lordinicus
    The Ukrainians did not lead their army to Russia. So you write about the brothers - and who is ready to help us.

    And we, too, except for what was agreed. I threw off a video where a Tatar journalist-Troll tried to find out who these "polite soldiers" are. So these are your Berkutovites who were betrayed + by your former military men. We gave them the only weapon and uniform. So they walk without stripes.
    1. lordinicus
      lordinicus 5 March 2014 14: 02
      -3
      Quote: M72
      Quote: lordinicus
      The Ukrainians did not lead their army to Russia. So you write about the brothers - and who is ready to help us.

      And we, too, except for what was agreed. I threw off a video where a Tatar journalist-Troll tried to find out who these "polite soldiers" are. So these are your Berkutovites who were betrayed + by your former military men. We gave them the only weapon and uniform. So they walk without stripes.


      Cool :). That is, if someone comes to the North Caucasus and gives local weapons, let them protect themselves, will that be right? Man, are you even an Orthodox Christian? For in Christianity they speak in a completely different way!
      1. badger1974
        badger1974 5 March 2014 15: 14
        +7
        brake, in the North Caucasus they are born with weapons, do not carry nonsense of Christianity, you threw gas at people during Orthodox fasts, and you yourself saw how you were engaged in violence, cleaning food chips and burning widowers, shame will come to you with lead in your head
      2. repytw
        repytw 5 March 2014 17: 05
        0
        Where are you from Ukraine?
        1. badger1974
          badger1974 6 March 2014 16: 22
          +2
          Where are you from Ukraine?

          I answer, I’m from Crimea, I have been in self-defense of Crimea since November, I stopped activity in suppressing Maydaun’s tugging in my native Crimea, because your Maydaun’s rabble wasn’t here and there aren’t any, they are clogged
      3. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
        Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 6 March 2014 01: 17
        0
        And those who came to the Caucasus and gave weapons, we have already destroyed, al not heard?
      4. Luke
        Luke 6 March 2014 08: 05
        0
        That is exactly what happened in the Caucasus. Now they have dispersed the shoble, though not all. And what did Muzychko do during the first Chechen group of 200 Ukrainians?
  40. M72
    M72 5 March 2014 14: 02
    +2
    Quote: lordinicus
    I see that Russia is raising prices for all the crap that is possible, closes the borders on the goods that I do with my own hands. Well, where is the help? There is not even a word about help from Russia. Why should I be friends with Putin if he only makes it worse, plus he sets my family in Russia against me. What is friendship and brotherhood?

    Are you really so naive or pretending to be ??? States interact through politicians. If you have prostitutes there instead of them, then hosh no hosh citizens will suffer.
    Plin, a couple of such comments from the residents of Ukraine, and I will definitely think that they are in Africa.
    1. lordinicus
      lordinicus 5 March 2014 14: 09
      -7
      Quote: M72
      Are you really so naive or pretending to be ??? States interact through politicians. If you have prostitutes there instead of them, then hosh no hosh citizens will suffer.
      Plin, a couple of such comments from the residents of Ukraine, and I will definitely think that they are in Africa.


      Man, the new government is doing everything right in my opinion so far, I have not seen a single act that cut my rights or freedoms. Will do something wrong new power, I will go to the Maidan or whatever else is needed. An example if they forbid me to speak Russian oh how I will be sewing, believe me.

      So I don’t understand how Russia can influence the power in Ukraine by worsening the attitude towards Russian-speaking people in Ukraine? Explain to me I do not understand? I did not support the removal of Yanyk because he was for the West or for Russia. Yanyk was a criminal and what does Russia have to do with it? Now Russia wants to return Yanyk as the only legitimate ruler, how does this relate to reality? How can such an act Russia regain the confidence of the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine? I expected that Russia would protect me, US-speaking Russian speakers, and what was actually being done. Russia only makes it worse.
      1. Vl690006
        Vl690006 5 March 2014 16: 19
        +6
        We-We-We ........
        I will say to myself, about my ancestors and about my homeland-RUSSIA
        I am not Russian (by ethnicity a Muslim-Bashkir-Turkic group) -but I am a RUSSIAN
        It was like emotions, and now the facts:
        1. MY PRA-PRA-grandfather gave in the 19th century a summer camp (we were a nomadic people) for immigrants from the Chernihiv region and the village and now there is and is called Chernihivka.
        2. In 1876, he did not build a mosque, but a 4-class school, where Ukrainian children studied.
        3. We have a school in Ufa where to study in the Great Move (even under Yushchenko they said thanks from the Rada)
        4.My grandfather Khasanov Minegali liberated Ukraine and died on April 10, 1914 and was buried in the Tiraspol region.
        It turns out- WE help_ and where are YOU.
        R.S. I have already sent 20 thousand rubles to Sevastopol to one teacher (Ukrainian by nationality) and to the astonished question that she will not be able to return so quickly, I said, THANKS, that you (Ukraine) are pompous (again).
        And it is necessary to fight among themselves only on sports grounds
      2. Vl690006
        Vl690006 5 March 2014 16: 19
        +2
        We-We-We ........
        I will say to myself, about my ancestors and about my homeland-RUSSIA
        I am not Russian (by ethnicity a Muslim-Bashkir-Turkic group) -but I am a RUSSIAN
        It was like emotions, and now the facts:
        1. MY PRA-PRA-grandfather gave in the 19th century a summer camp (we were a nomadic people) for immigrants from the Chernihiv region and the village and now there is and is called Chernihivka.
        2. In 1876, he did not build a mosque, but a 4-class school, where Ukrainian children studied.
        3. We have a school in Ufa where to study in the Great Move (even under Yushchenko they said thanks from the Rada)
        4.My grandfather Khasanov Minegali liberated Ukraine and died on April 10, 1914 and was buried in the Tiraspol region.
        It turns out- WE help_ and where are YOU.
        R.S. I have already sent 20 thousand rubles to Sevastopol to one teacher (Ukrainian by nationality) and to the astonished question that she will not be able to return so quickly, I said, THANKS, that you (Ukraine) are pompous (again).
        And it is necessary to fight among themselves only on sports grounds
      3. aquatic
        aquatic 5 March 2014 22: 36
        0
        to himself, he answered) no matter what he is, the LEGAL ruler, if you want to be friends and help, be predictable and reliable, and for this you must follow the LAW, and not kill. Remember the joke about two bricks that you wanted to give others a nose) I'm afraid it will come true soon
      4. mazdie
        mazdie 5 March 2014 22: 41
        0
        that is, pressure under pain of death, and the destruction of your family on the deputies, these are the correct actions of the new "power" ??????????
  41. M72
    M72 5 March 2014 14: 13
    +3
    Quote: lordinicus
    Yanyk was a criminal and what does Russia have to do with it? Now Russia wants to return Yanyk as the only legitimate ruler, how does this relate to reality? How can such an act Russia regain the confidence of the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine?

    Damn, everything is much worse than I thought. At our place yesterday, the President kind of clearly said on this issue:
    1. Yanukovych is a thief and he has no political future.
    2. We want to return it. because he signed an agreement that will hold elections in December. Yanukovych, though a thief, but he is the President legally elected from you, and so that there is no mess, you need him to sit until December, elections are held and lawfully transferred power !!!

    If you all spit on the law there, then it’s clear why you ended up in such an ass
    And yet ... the Nazis overthrew your power !!! Who tortured and killed yours !!! But as I see it all the same, who overthrew it, the main thing is that they give loans. I AM
    1. lordinicus
      lordinicus 5 March 2014 14: 22
      -9
      Quote: M72
      Damn, everything is much worse than I thought. At our place yesterday, the President kind of clearly said on this issue:
      1. Yanukovych is a thief and he has no political future.
      2. We want to return it. because he signed an agreement that will hold elections in December. Yanukovych, though a thief, but he is the President legally elected from you, and so that there is no mess, you need him to sit until December, elections are held and lawfully transferred power !!!
      If you all spit on the law there, then it’s clear why you ended up in such an ass

      1. Yanukovych a thief and a killer. It needs to be judged, 90% of Russian-speaking Ukrainians understand this, I think I will keep silent about Westerners. Therefore, such a person as the head of state does not need 90% of the population of Ukraine.
      2. Is it a joke to bring back the killer and the thief? Explain the logic to me, without sarcasm, how can a murderer and a thief occupy a leading position?

      If I’m reluctant to bring this back to rule me or my family, I will find an automaton, I will find those like me and I will partisan to the last. And to tell that he is not legally chosen, Yanyk violated the law and no one doubts this.

      Regarding Putin, he is a corrupt girl who says one thing, then does another, then he says the third. An example, he introduced troops into the Crimea and called it exercises. Does he even make friends with his head?

      You need to look at Putin through his actions, in Ukraine no one listens to him, he has lost all authority in his own words and in his actions.

      Personally to me, Putin stupidly threw me at the mercy of fate. I feel neither protection nor support from him, and so all my friends and acquaintances think.
      1. Pashhenko Nikolay
        Pashhenko Nikolay 5 March 2014 17: 27
        +3
        You need to look at Putin through his actions, in Ukraine no one listens to him,Why did you suddenly start to be responsible for the whole of Ukraine? Crimea asked for help and he received it. Have you asked for help? Are you in what area? Putin stupidly threw ME at the mercy of fatePutin promised to help everyone if he receives an appeal from the regional authorities. Did your authorities turn for help? Or do you need to carry out illegal military intervention to help you? Or just toss some money off the lord's shoulder?
        1. Ukraine
          Ukraine 15 March 2014 04: 22
          0
          and why do you sign for the whole Crimea? who asked for help? Aksenov, Konstantinov and a group of Gopniks? Your churkin poked in a letter allegedly written by a yanyk - they say he asks to send troops to the Crimea. even if it’s not a fake, according to our laws, without the decision of the supreme radon, we have no right to do this! they also suddenly forgot about the letter and began to refer to the Crimea.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 5 March 2014 17: 47
        +3
        Quote: lordinicus
        Regarding Putin, he is a corrupt girl who says one thing, then does another, then he says the third. An example, he introduced troops into the Crimea and called it exercises. Does he even make friends with his head?

        Scold our presidents, we will scold our presidents without your help.
      3. BYRY
        BYRY 5 March 2014 19: 59
        +3
        This is not what I wrote. But it is very revealing about this troll.


        Bandera discussion technology Place of action: social networks, websites, blogs, news feeds, comments in video feeds, YouTube, YouTube, etc. * Comments should be with supporting pictures, links, videos, even if they are simply cut out of the general context. * In conversations, use cultural speech, be hospitable and welcoming * Do not get fooled by provocations, do not respond with aggression to aggression * Attack on a post, video, commentary is carried out purposefully, in groups of 10-20 people, alone you will simply be smashed with facts * Force your opponent to use obscene language and other obscene expressions * Constantly point out to the opponent that he is behaving uncivilized * If the opponent crushed your lies with facts, make a return emphasis on his grammatical mistakes, this demoralizes and shames the opponent, veiling the fact of your lies * Try to create a split between groups of opponents, for example, people call to stand up to defend Donetsk , and you write that you yourself are from Donetsk and it makes no sense t fight, it will only get worse * Do not use the words seizure of power, Bandera, militants, terrorists, extremists, Nazis, nationalists. Always say - the people of Ukraine * Do not write that we are for Europe, write that we are for a united Ukraine * Do not use language disagreements. Southeast and Crimea writes "in Ukraine" - agree with them, do not disagree on this. * Try to write in Russian, the Ukrainian speech immediately repels many. * Try to convince that they were deceived or deceived * Try to convince that Russia is from Ukraine only resources and labor are needed * Try to convince that everything is bad in Russia, use pictures of remote places, old buildings, dumps, demotivators about old women, retirement, hungry children and other facts of human pity are ideal * Try to convince that no one is coming to them, that no one can seize or demolish anything from them * To show to the maximum how Yanukovych and the PR deputies lived, to emphasize that it is all stolen from the people, your money * To prove to them that Ukraine will be strong only together, separately intimidate that Russia is from Southeast and Crimea will make them their slaves, or something else bad * If your opponent will show you the successes and achievements of Russia, reproach your opponent for being subjected to Kremlin propaganda de. Convince your opponent that you allegedly have relatives in Russia who are horrified by the poor and destitute of Russia * Do the same, in this way, only the other way around, if your opponent shows you the facts of poverty and ruin in Europe, the EU or the USA * Try to the maximum to convince that the Maidan is supported by both the South-East and the Crimea, they say you have friends and relatives there who are for the Maidan. * If your opponent can prove to you that the National Bank is controlled by the United States, emphasize that this is done in all countries for the convenience of the economy. Also emphasize that the US and the EU want to help Ukraine and are very worried about it. Such interesting information came from people who are embedded in the Internet hundred "Pravogosektor" So,
        that you don’t have to deal with provocation and hysteria. I’ll give it here
        weighted, FINE and CERTAINLY verified facts. A lot of unnecessary
        material in this topic. I have to pass a lot through a sieve
        useless facts, rumors ... I have the honor
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 5 March 2014 20: 54
          0
          yes it’s understandable, because whole states work for them, they’ve become proficient. All the same, the brother really will win. They still wash themselves with their lies.
      4. uwzek
        uwzek 5 March 2014 21: 08
        0
        And why are you (I mean the Ukrainians, and not you personally) of this thief and the killer popularly chosen? Or did he only in the last three years begin to kill and steal?
        Why look for a machine somewhere, when you are given a rare opportunity to get one for free by joining an army that is independent? The purchased certificates of flat feet and typhoid hernia with progressive myopia will have to be written off as a liability ...
      5. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 5 March 2014 22: 48
        +1
        Quietly Quiet!
        Quote: lordinicus
        2. Is it a joke to bring back the killer and the thief? Explain the logic to me, without sarcasm, how can a murderer and a thief occupy a leading position?

        Explain to you? Trollik, dear, and who do you have in power now? Not thieves? Not killers?
        Guys! You don’t have to waste your nerves on this paid-up ch.m.! Putin himself threw it! So God himself told us! smile
      6. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
        Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 6 March 2014 01: 22
        0
        And I like Putin and he is not a corrupt girl, but a real man, who finally decided to return what belongs to Russia by right. And here you are a natural woman. if you cannot protect yourself and you just whine about help.
  42. stalkerscc
    stalkerscc 5 March 2014 14: 20
    +1
    The main thing is that after the "Elections" regular "puppets" of the West, like Yanyk or Tymoshenko, do not come to power.
  43. Yarik
    Yarik 5 March 2014 14: 22
    +2
    lordinicus Today, 11:53 AM New
    I can say for the Russian-speaking Ukrainians. Among my friends, no one refused to appear on the agenda, and they come. I understand that people over 25 are not being called up, people create lines for 25 who come themselves and there are many, very many. On the roads in the dark, air defense systems are transported, I personally saw 2 launchers, a radar and a control station from the S-300, which drove along the road and went to the side of the border with Russia.

    I don’t know how everyone is, but so many are ready to defend their homeland.

    I can say that people are not fighting weapons, but I think few people disagree with this. In Ukraine, there are people who are ready, to be honest, I do not know those who refuse to defend their homeland.



    Well, well. The question is not whether to protect from whom, but to protect for whom? For the sake of a gang of incomplete banderlogoobraznyh? Well, although at 25 you can powder your brains ...
    1. lordinicus
      lordinicus 5 March 2014 14: 27
      -6
      Quote: Yarik
      Well, well. The question is not whether to protect from whom, but to protect for whom? For the sake of a gang of incomplete banderlogoobraznyh? Well, although 25 brains are not really ...

      And no one is protecting the authorities; everyone is ready to protect their homes and relatives. This is a big difference.

      All politicians are corrupt and full-time. My opinion and my friends, politicians should be as much as possible, squeeze them to the last, and when they run out of steam let the kittens I did not ask them to kneel at the helm.
      1. Saburov
        Saburov 5 March 2014 21: 47
        +4
        You talk with such people and ask them who is to blame and who are adults and reason soberly.
  44. stalkerscc
    stalkerscc 5 March 2014 14: 25
    +4
    It’s not even that they’re 25, but that all Little Russia has been brainwashed for 20 years.
    1. lordinicus
      lordinicus 5 March 2014 14: 29
      -12%
      Quote: stalkerscc
      It’s not even that they’re 25, but that all Little Russia has been brainwashed for 20 years.

      That word Little Russia is an insult to Russian-speaking Ukrainians. I think if you say such crap somewhere in Donetsk and the Dnieper, then you can get it on the head.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 5 March 2014 17: 49
        +3
        Quote: lordinicus
        That word Little Russia is an insult to Russian-speaking Ukrainians.

        Then Ukraine-an insult more repeated?
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 5 March 2014 17: 59
        +2
        Quote: lordinicus
        if you say such crap somewhere in Donetsk and the Dnieper, you can get it on the head.

        Judging by your comments, you already tried to talk such crap there ...
      3. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
        Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 6 March 2014 01: 25
        0
        Well, with us, if you say that Crimea was originally Khokh ... sorry, Ukrainian, then you can also get by, or maybe by ...
  45. M72
    M72 5 March 2014 14: 31
    +4
    Quote: lordinicus
    1. Yanukovych a thief and a killer. It needs to be judged, 90% of Russian-speaking Ukrainians understand this, I think I’ll keep silent about Westerners

    Did you blame him? The court made such a decision ??? I can also say that you are a murderer and a thief, even here a couple of people will subscribe and here with such public opinion you can safely get wet. So??
    There is impeachment to remove the president, go ahead !!!
    This answers your second question. If a person is not recognized as a thief, then there is no need to crap.

    About the killer ... who said that he is a killer ??? Who did he kill ?? He forbade all the cops to shoot, which he should not have done !!!

    Quote: lordinicus
    Regarding Putin, he is a corrupt girl who says one thing, then does another, then he says the third. An example, he introduced troops into the Crimea and called it exercises. Does he even make friends with his head?

    I will ask for examples !!! Specifically, where did he say one thing and did the other ???

    Quote: lordinicus
    Personally to me, Putin stupidly threw me at the mercy of fate. I feel neither protection nor support from him, and so all my friends and acquaintances think.

    How did he personally throw you ??? as??? What protection did you expect from him ?? so that he and a group of paratroopers burst into Kiev, overcome all and pull you out in his arms ?? And you would later say that you invaded our territory ???
    We have dressed and armed your Berkutovites and former military men here, and you already shout that the Russians are in Kiev !!!
  46. stalkerscc
    stalkerscc 5 March 2014 14: 45
    +5
    Quote: lordinicus
    Quote: stalkerscc
    It’s not even that they’re 25, but that all Little Russia has been brainwashed for 20 years.

    That word Little Russia is an insult to Russian-speaking Ukrainians. I think if you say such crap somewhere in Donetsk and the Dnieper, then you can get it on the head.

    Ukraine was called Little Russia during the time of the Russian Empire. So there is no insult.
  47. spirit
    spirit 5 March 2014 14: 52
    +4
    1100 T-64s, of which 76 were upgraded to the T-64BM Bulat modification. There is still about 650 T-64, about 500 T-72 and up to 250 T-80m in storage

    Yes! Yes! we know) on paper) and the pirates in Somalia probably captured the Bulgarian tanks))))) All the most combat-ready for a long time plowed the expanses of the black continent, and those that remained probably half of the spare parts are also sold out. Tanks seem to be standing, but what's inside? Xs))) laughing
  48. stalkerscc
    stalkerscc 5 March 2014 14: 59
    +6
    Lordinikus and here's another thing. If the word Little Russian (which I absolutely do not understand) offends you, I can call you Ukrainian (although I believe that there is no such nationality).
  49. iConst
    iConst 5 March 2014 15: 01
    +1
    Quote: lordinicus
    Restoring the rule of law, that's how. To return to us the prisoner Yanyk, who stupidly ruined the country and stole so much that he did not know where to put the money? I honestly don’t understand how friends and brothers can offer such legality.

    Yes exactly. To return - and only then you will throw him out like a shy cat, but only through the elections. Just like brothers and offer!

    Actually, the article is somehow derogatory and therefore did not like. I do not think that everything is so neglected. The author clearly embellished.

    But worst of all, he talks about scenarios of conflict with the fraternal people - that’s the minus. Even thoughts should not be about that. Otherwise, everything - the Americans won.
    Let the Ukrainian brothers think the same thing.

    So I sometimes fought with my brother in childhood. But it didn’t mean anything: if someone had touched him, he would have broken.
  50. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 5 March 2014 15: 06
    +12
    Well, what can I say, everything was said by Oles Buzin ...

    Without firing a single shot, the entire Crimean grouping of Ukrainian troops was captured and blocked by groups of Russian military on trucks and "tigers"! At the same time, our military does not even remove license plates from cars in order to disguise themselves. Not a single Ukrainian military even tried to seriously resist. A whole brigade of Ukrainian marines, armed with armored vehicles, artillery, and so on. heavy weapons, sitting quietly behind the fence of his unit, as in a corral, surrounded by a group of "polite people" armed only with small arms and deprived (thank God) of the right to use these weapons. And this is on our own territory! The only case of "resistance" happened yesterday, this is me about the PR action of Ukrainian flyers:

    "We are not Bandera! America is with us! This is the Soviet flag, are you going to shoot?" It's a shame. Pathetic. They know that no one will touch them with a finger. They would have gone to defend Ukraine from Bandera's people with songs and chest forward! And even with a heroic red flag at the ready. But no! We sat out, you could really get it on snot! And America did not even bring diapers to its heroes ... Shame!
    The naval commander of the Naval Forces of Ukraine went over to the side of the "enemy", and his former chavny merrily rushed away from the Crimea with the permission of the "self-defense forces"! The air defense of Ukraine declares (!) About the violation of the sovereign military aviation by foreign helicopters. Well, yes, this is not to shoot at a passenger plane.
    How do you like the actions of the rest of the "non-Crimean" ZSU group? Why are they not moving to save their surrounded comrades? Where are the columns of Ukrainian tanks, covered by an air armada, rushing to crush the cowardly MOSCA LEE? Also "do not fall for provocations"? That's right - it's not in the former Yugoslavia to sell uniforms and weapons to all opposing sides, as a Russian volunteer wrote:
    Earlier it was said about the Ukrainian contingent, which broke all corruption records, that the trident of the Ukrainian emblem is the initial "Ш" in the word "schwerts" (in Serbian - a merchant). Before leaving Gorazde, only two submachine guns remained for the entire Ukrainian company (one of them was serviceable). All other weapons, including armored personnel carriers, were given (sold) to Serbs and Muslims.

    http://artofwar.ru/p/polikarpow_m_a/serbia.shtml

    Or in Iraq, cola from the American canteen to trade. Shame on you! I always said before that ZSU are not operational, and are only warehouses with Soviet weapons that were not yet stolen and sold, and that most of the officers in them are useless ballast, as if some Ukrainian comrades did not try to convince us otherwise.
    Where the so-called. "Heroi muydana"? Why are they not going to "save the Crimea", ditching the Crimean land? Yarosh was only enough to ask for help from Dokku Umarov, which he only aroused keen interest in his person from Ramzan Kadyrov, who promised to help him go to meet him, and knowing Ramzan Akhmadovich and the fact that he does not throw words to the wind , Yarosh has every chance to fear for his life, as well as the General Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation, which has put him on the international wanted list. And another HEROy Sashko Bilyi prefers to deal with the so-called. Interior Minister Avakov, promising to hang him ...
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    2. Anastasios
      Anastasios 5 March 2014 18: 27
      +5
      for me, so Admiral Berezovsky is more a patriot of Ukraine than this one with which America. Germans write correctly: deshovaya propaganda. one is generally surprised at the Russian excerpt: a crowd of 200 people for 4 soldiers, he would shoot. who knows with weapons or not?
    3. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 5 March 2014 22: 53
      +1
      But cool! Normal armies shout with us God! And these squeal America with us! Though they know that they will not kill them! They can’t even imagine the devil that America is not for everyone God !!! Here you have lordinicus UA homeland! You are homeland you write with a small letter! But America with a big !!!