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Christoph Hörstel: The West Cannot Be Trusted

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Christoph Hörstel: The West Cannot Be Trusted



The crisis in Ukraine and the role of the West in it were commented on by Golos Rossii by government adviser and publicist from Germany Christoph Hörstel

- Events in the Crimea. Full combat readiness of the Russian armed forces on the peninsula. How to treat this, or rather, how serious the situation?

- I consider the situation very serious. First of all, because the West, unfortunately, was not afraid to reach its aggressive goals in Ukraine to communicate with completely unacceptable radicals — with such forces in Ukraine, from which we in our Western countries are definitely defending ourselves. However, they are absolutely unpredictable, they have their own agenda, mostly violent. And such people during the Second World War were already on the side of Adolf Hitler.

- The West was counting on this development of events?

- In my opinion, the clarity and consistency of the Russian reaction came as a surprise to the West.
This, of course, is typical in Russian. We say: the Russian bear wakes up slowly, and when I wake up, something, of course, happens! And how quickly it happened now came as a surprise to many in the West. I remember how Steinmeier returned after signing the treaty, which violated, thanked Russia and immediately called for cooperation. Here it became noticeable that an unclean conscience stirred. And he realized that what we did would not be perceived positively. And Lukin, a skilled adviser to Putin on special issues, did not sign.
That is exactly what happened: Steinmeier had a real presentiment, but he did not follow him. Instead of warning our friends - the French and the Poles - they say, guys, we cannot do that - he just continued in the same vein.

- In accordance with the agreements of February 21 between the legitimate President Yanukovych and the foreign ministers of Poland, France and Germany, EU policy primarily guaranteed the safety of the Ukrainian president. Under these documents, they put their signatures. Now Yanukovych is on the run. What then are the concluded agreements?

“By not complying with these important agreements, the West confirms that it cannot be trusted.” And this is a problem. This is very difficult to fix. We have two other platforms where the loss of trust is irreplaceable. These are negotiations in the format of "5 + 1" and Syria.
And I know this will have consequences for these important topics. In addition, we still have an attempt at a coup in Venezuela, another state friendly to Russia.

- Why, in fact, here in the West, do not talk about non-compliance with the Kiev agreements from February 21?

- This I can explain to you very precisely. Most of the blame for this, in my opinion, falls on Russia. Because Russia does nothing for public relations, for relations between people, but relies too much on classical diplomacy and on classical diplomacy of statements. Need a lot more
- speaking quite primitively - Russian propaganda in the West, so that Western people understand that our governments are wrong. And so this great power of critically-minded citizens, who don’t want any disputes with Russia at all, and, in fact, positively disposed towards Russia, is completely irrelevant, and therefore over the past 15-20 years it has been possible to severely undermine Russia's reputation in Germany. West.

- What would you as a government adviser advise the Russian government?

- Until you have been asked, you should not declare your opinion, but I just said about this one point, I can, roughly speaking, quite easily agree with all the steps of Russia, except for the only one, namely, concerning the sensible public of the West, people, who don’t want any new NATO aggression, it’s all the same against whom, whether it’s about Syria, Iran or Russia, that these people were simply left out of work. Left alone with their completely isolated governments and the media, it’s very sad, with historical point of view is completely wrong.

- The current government in Kiev called on NATO to intervene in the situation. Here the question arises: how legitimate is the government, with whom should Russia speak and, first of all, will the alliance interfere in the situation?

- I think that NATO will do very well if it retains such caution as it is now. But one can easily imagine, and the current events show, that if Ukraine is mobilized by its illegal government in the way it has been done so far, by conscription and so on, that the West will simply try, helping the Ukrainian military, and further stir up unrest here, so that NATO does not need to intervene itself, it can do it indirectly. This can be imagined. It is impossible to imagine anything more.

- What do you understand or what is generally understood in principle as “indirect”? Is it far right in the West?

“The indirect assistance of NATO to Ukraine in the event of a possible armed clash, or only in the event of a threat, when both sides confront each other, armed from head to toe and fully mobilized, - this can be anything that is imaginable. That is, the supply of weapons, advice, secret information about the movements of Russian troops - something like that.

- How legitimate do you consider the current government in Kiev?

- I have already said: I consider it illegal. I do not think that the group that came to power there convincingly represents Ukraine. I am certain that this group, together with NATO, will try to bring about a situation in which credible re-elections in Ukraine will become impossible. People are pretty much intimidated. I mean, the 60 of thousands of people from Ukraine who have been seeking asylum in Russia since the beginning of the year are quite unequivocal, and if NATO ignores it, it makes its position extremely vulnerable, and I can only say that we will use it with friends to attacks.

- The EU, the USA, Ukraine, Russia - all the parties are in favor of the territorial unity of Ukraine, but are all the parties really interested in the unity of this post-Soviet republic?

Yes, unity is such a beautiful word. I'm interested in him too. However, the problem is how to fill it with content. And if now the so-called Council of Maidan or the government, whose legitimacy is weak, sends armed gangs from Kiev to rage everywhere in the country, especially in areas where the overwhelming majority are people of Russian origin, Russian-speaking or Russian, then we have problems with unity, because it is, in fact, unwilling by the central authorities. Because instead, they continue to drag in power grabbing and intimidation, and this is a big problem.

- In the current discussion we are talking primarily about the peninsula of Crimea. Whose do you see this peninsula?

- This peninsula is Russian like nothing else. There can be no two opinions here, and now this is not about provincial thinking. We know how Ukraine got to the Crimea - because of Khrushchev, and then they didn’t take it that seriously, because they couldn’t imagine that the Soviet Union would collapse, and now suddenly we had such a discussion. I think it’s about people, and the most correct thing to advise Russia is to say: we keep our troops on alert, which will allow us, with the full support of both houses of parliament, to protect Russian citizens there, but we will not aggressively move forward. And I think that here it is quite possible to trust the Russian vision of the situation, as it has so far been formulated.

- At the end of March in the Crimea should pass a referendum. This was announced by the head of the Crimean parliament. What to expect from him?

- Well, I think, in the West, too, they will not doubt that the result of the vote will be absolutely clear - either a direct transition to Russia, or the preservation of its independence from Kiev.
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http://rus.ruvr.ru/2014_03_03/Kristof-Hjorstel-Zapadu-nelzja-doverjat-7419/?print=1
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  1. Energy
    Energy 4 March 2014 11: 23
    +40
    The West is ready to support even the bald trait if only it were against Russia. The West supported frankly fascist Maidan, who abolished the Russian language in the country by almost the first law ... who automatically dictate their terms to local authorities in the regions, urge Doku Umarov to terrorist attacks in Russia ... the US and the EU are just cheap there is no honor or conscience! Give, God, the strength to withstand the Russian people!
    1. avg
      avg 4 March 2014 11: 45
      +10
      Russia does nothing for public relations, for relations between people, but relies too much on classical diplomacy and classical diplomacy of statements. Need a lot more
      - speaking quite primitively - of Russian propaganda in the West, so that Western people understand that our governments are wrong.
      I do not get tired of repeating this. But when it comes to our officials and politicians with their snickering press attache and the like. See how Yulka Tymoshenko lies on the site of Batkivshchyna and no one takes her to clean water. Yes, with GRU special forces alone, which the whole Ukraine, along with the USA and Europe has been catching for several months, can make a global brand. And the catch phrase: "they spoke Russian with a Russian accent... ”, Shakespeare is resting.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 4 March 2014 11: 57
        +7
        Quote: avg
        I do not get tired of repeating this.

        To begin with, in Russia itself it is necessary to get hold of our own, the state ideology of which we are currently deprived of by the Constitution of Russia, Art.
        1. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 4 March 2014 12: 27
          +4
          Quote: Boris55
          To begin with, in Russia itself it is necessary to get hold of our own, the state ideology of which we are currently deprived of by the Constitution of Russia, Art.


          That's right!

          It’s necessary, Fedya! I have to!

          Like it or not, you will not please everyone! AND DON'T NEED TO TRY!
        2. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 4 March 2014 12: 27
          +1
          Quote: Boris55
          To begin with, in Russia itself it is necessary to get hold of our own, the state ideology of which we are currently deprived of by the Constitution of Russia, Art.


          That's right!

          It’s necessary, Fedya! I have to!

          Like it or not, you will not please everyone! AND DON'T NEED TO TRY!
      2. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 4 March 2014 12: 09
        +6
        The main thing is that Putin does not go on negotiations with Yulia. She utterly utterly out of = thirst for power and money.
        Tymoshenko and this pack of nationalists are nothing more than vultures on the body of Ukraine, which has already fallen, but is not yet dead, and it will depend on Russia which of its organs will continue to live on and pull the rest. If the East unites against the Kiev authorities and strengthens the border with the Zapadentsy, then, given Russia's support, they will maintain independence, and relying on their industrial potential, they will grow rapidly, especially since Russia already has a package of orders. And let the zapadentsy poke around in the land, plant potatoes and go to work in Britain or Germany.
      3. IRBIS
        IRBIS 4 March 2014 13: 17
        +3
        Quote: avg
        "They spoke Russian with a Russian accent ...", Shakespeare is resting.

        It is a masterpiece! Only now I finally found out how my voice sounds to others and what my accent is! Until now, I believed that I speak Russian without him, without a Russian accent. But no ... Here it is ...
      4. aksakal
        aksakal 4 March 2014 13: 34
        +1
        Quote: avg
        And the catch phrase: “they spoke Russian with a Russian accent ...”, Shakespeare is resting

        - I don’t know, in Russia they reproach me all the time: “what do you say exactly like on TV?”, meaning the way the announcers of federal channels speak in Russian. Mokvichi do not understand how they say, somehow resting on the letter "a", so there is still a Russian accent. The purity of the Russian language was preserved only in Kazakhstan
        1. avg
          avg 4 March 2014 15: 02
          +1
          Quote: aksakal
          Mokvichi do not understand how they say, somehow resting on the letter "a", so the Russian accent is still there.
          What you are talking about is a dialect or dialect. It can be Moscow, Ryazan, Vologda, Kiev or Uzhgorod ... but not Russian.
          Quote: aksakal
          The purity of the Russian language was preserved only in Kazakhstan
          Many would like to cling. But do not take the palm of the Svidomo journalists. Most likely they were taught by the Yankers, who have long been unsatisfied with the way the English distort their language.
    2. operrus
      operrus 4 March 2014 11: 55
      +4
      The Russian people will survive, they won’t defeat such an evil thing. I think as a result of this fuss the West will make itself worse (self-mutilation), that in the economic, in the political sense, our people are patriotic and not snickering, I think for the sausage that the Americans bought us in 90 years from them no longer. And in the economy, the big question is who will be worse, and in the West they can count money.
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    4. elmi
      elmi 4 March 2014 11: 59
      +4
      Christoph Hörstel: The West Cannot Be Trusted

      Yes, the West throughout history has crushed Russia, as soon as Russia began to revive, set up wars, overthrew our kings displeasing to them. History shows that 90 percent of the troubles come from the West, does history really teach nothing and have to step on the rake again ?! It is time to revive without looking back to the West, rely only on ourselves. The West will never be a faithful ally, they are allies for the time being. Alexander 3 said - Russia has only two allies: its army and navy!
    5. agbykov
      agbykov 4 March 2014 12: 22
      +2
      They also repealed the law banning the propaganda of fascism and Nazism. The representative of Ukraine at the UN has already accused the whole world of the USSR of slandering Bandera and Bandera (http://lenta.ru/news/2014/03/04/bandera/).
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 4 March 2014 13: 19
        +1
        Quote: agbykov
        They also repealed the law banning the propaganda of fascism and Nazism. The representative of Ukraine at the UN has already accused the whole world of the USSR of slandering Bandera and Bandera (http://lenta.ru/news/2014/03/04/bandera/).
        in other words, they almost directly said sho "the world community" - bullshit is not washed. Because sho are not Ukrainians laughing
  2. smel
    smel 4 March 2014 11: 35
    +14
    There are sober people in the West. And over time there will be more. The Nazis will demonstrate the bastard nature of the American masters
    1. AVV
      AVV 4 March 2014 12: 59
      +1
      It is necessary to extend the stations of Russia to Europe more to Europe !!! And to create other television stations that would open the eyes of Europeans !!! At one time, different voices of Europe and America helped to ruin the USSR, we also need to change the public opinion of Europe and America, there are many sane people !!!
  3. hawkeye
    hawkeye 4 March 2014 11: 46
    +11
    Yes, unity is such a beautiful word. I am also interested in him. However, the problem is how to fill it. And if now the so-called Maidan Council or the government, whose legitimacy is weak, sends armed gangs from Kiev to commit atrocities everywhere in the country, especially in areas where the vast majority are people of Russian origin, Russian-speaking or Russian, then we have problems with unity, because, in fact, the central authorities do not want him. Because instead, they continue to push through a seizure of power and intimidation, and this is a big problem.

    This review from the article accurately describes the situation in Ukraine - 100%
  4. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 4 March 2014 11: 47
    +1
    Well, the fact that the West cannot be trusted is an axiom, as well as the fact that "through every two points you can draw only one straight line." the leader needs to hang this inscription in his office and repeat like a mantra. "THE WEST CANNOT BE TRUSTED !!!", "THE WEST CANNOT BE TRUSTED !!!", "THE WEST CANNOT BE TRUSTED !!!", "THE WEST CANNOT BE TRUSTED !!!", "THE WEST CANNOT BE TRUSTED !!!" ...
  5. Klim2011
    Klim2011 4 March 2014 11: 48
    +9
    My friend is now in Germany, information from him: news Ukraine comes first in the news, but no anti-Russian pressure is visible in the German media. And in terms of propaganda, we certainly need to draw the right conclusions. Good experience is -RT. Success must be developed in this direction.
    1. upasika1918
      upasika1918 4 March 2014 12: 42
      +2
      As for propaganda, the man is not quite right. RUSSIA TODAY works competently. Not so long ago. After all, to grow such personnel is not easy. Such a channel will not grow over night. They are great.
    2. RND
      RND 4 March 2014 13: 18
      +3
      Quote: Klim2011
      My friend is now in Germany, information from him: news Ukraine comes first in the news, but no anti-Russian pressure is visible in the German media. And in terms of propaganda, we certainly need to draw the right conclusions. Good experience is -RT. Success must be developed in this direction.

      Here's an example. The thoughtful Fritzes took a wait-and-see attitude and brought their hackers under control. Moreover, the "fakies" from the regional committee helped. laughing And we have poop, such as rains, oh, Shenderovich and others like them, everyone is swimming and stinking. Makar, Mr. ****, was generally struck ... It’s time to flush the toilet of history! am
  6. Keeper
    Keeper 4 March 2014 11: 51
    +3
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DHVtxirISc

    Interesting person....
  7. Shefango
    Shefango 4 March 2014 11: 51
    +5
    A referendum is needed throughout South-Eastern Ukraine, and not just in Crimea
  8. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 4 March 2014 11: 52
    +4
    Yes, there are sane people in the West, but it looks like outright ill-wishers of Russia and everything Slavic have entrenched themselves in the governments of most EU countries! At home, without looking back at anyone, they brutally suppress any protest actions of their own peoples and the first among them are Americans! As they say: " They notice a speck in someone else's eye, but they don't see a log in their own! The usual policy of double standards.
    1. demel2
      demel2 4 March 2014 12: 52
      +2
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      It seems that the governments of most EU countries have entrenched themselves with outright ill-will

      And there is at least one EU country that would treat us kindly. You can’t fix them. Yes, and lay them big and thick.
  9. nomad74
    nomad74 4 March 2014 11: 56
    +7
    A normal man, the Germans believe every penny, they drag the whole of Europe to drag on themselves, and here Ukraine! 50 million hungry mouths! And what if they moved to Germany en masse, mainly from the western regions! So they immediately remembered that these people fought for Hitler! It's only the beginning!
  10. Naum
    Naum 4 March 2014 12: 05
    +3
    PR campaigns are necessary and important, but they require a lot of expenses and you can't "huddle" here! The word is the most powerful weapon on Earth. I, a newspaperman, know that for sure. All costs will return in the end with interest. At least by saving military funds and saving human lives. Why do our rulers big and small understand this so poorly? Personally, I have only one explanation for this phenomenon - the old "secrecy" complex. How to say something "superfluous" to "scribblers"! And they themselves have the language of the ass. Take the same Yanukovych. The earliest creature! But the President ... Is it really true that "the leaders are according to the people"?
  11. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 4 March 2014 12: 05
    +8
    Christoph Hurstel is right! Russia really should cover its actions, positions, principles for residents and Europe and the whole world.
    Unlike the Yankees, the West knows what fascism is and its consequences. And it is not the fault of the people that many politicians, having played with "democracy", are deceiving, do not say the word, keep silent. Their interest (politicians), that on their territory was calm, there were no speeches, actions. People are looking for information, looking for the truth. If Russia does not give it, then these heads will be filled with other material!
    Well and most importantly, Russia itself should not change its mind and take the first step forward, take the second, and not stop with a raised leg and look back! Very uncomfortable pose!
  12. Neophyte
    Neophyte 4 March 2014 12: 15
    +3
    However! And in the West there are adequate politicians! In addition, Germany as
    the main donor in the EU, it begins to realize that financial assistance to Ukraine will be disastrous and unprofitable. A gang of radicals will plunder everything.
    Yes, and in general, Ukraine is becoming a headache for Germany.
    1. cerko
      cerko 4 March 2014 12: 44
      +1
      at the expense of a headache, let me disagree, the territory of present-day Ukraine for Germany has always been manna from heaven
  13. Stinger
    Stinger 4 March 2014 12: 23
    +1
    If NATO supports Kiev, then God himself ordered us to help Afghanistan get rid of NATO. .
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 4 March 2014 12: 28
      +2
      Quote: Stinger
      If NATO supports Kiev, then God himself ordered us to help Afghanistan get rid of NATO. .

      They will not support anything, except unofficially and with loud statements.
      We do not need to be afraid of NATO and losing in the information field.
      1. demel2
        demel2 4 March 2014 12: 59
        +1
        Quote: Russ69
        We do not need to be afraid of NATO

        Right, we don’t need to be afraid of NATO, but we need to look carefully at our fifth column and the southern outskirts. IMHO at this stage, the internal enemy is more dangerous than the external.
    2. AVIATOR36662
      AVIATOR36662 4 March 2014 13: 32
      +1
      Afghanistan will always be a special country. There, war is a national sport. Like in Russia, hockey with a ball. To think how to make not only drugs from poppy seeds, but also cheap medicines, yes!
  14. AVIATOR36662
    AVIATOR36662 4 March 2014 12: 36
    +1
    Quote: Energetic
    The West is ready to support even the bald trait if only it were against Russia. The West supported frankly fascist Maidan, who abolished the Russian language in the country by almost the first law ... who automatically dictate their terms to local authorities in the regions, urge Doku Umarov to terrorist attacks in Russia ... the US and the EU are just cheap there is no honor or conscience! Give, God, the strength to withstand the Russian people!


    And the kindest representative of Ukraine at the UN spoke out that at the Nuremberg trials all the evidence against Bandera and their crimes was brazenly falsified. That's the way it turns out they are very nice to themselves. Cynicism has no words.
  15. valokordin
    valokordin 4 March 2014 12: 38
    +1
    Zapadentsev still show their masters, but for now they have only the owner of the United States and the late Bandera. Only ours does not need to chew snot, but also remember that the Banderites were not alone in supporting them, not only the Zapadents, but also people dissatisfied with the corruption of power.
  16. Mviktor
    Mviktor 4 March 2014 12: 51
    +1
    Quote: Energetic
    The West is ready to support even the bald trait if only it were against Russia. The West supported frankly fascist Maidan, who abolished the Russian language in the country by almost the first law ... who automatically dictate their terms to local authorities in the regions, urge Doku Umarov to terrorist attacks in Russia ... the US and the EU are just cheap there is no honor or conscience! Give, God, the strength to withstand the Russian people!


    This only proves once again that the West is our enemy and cannot be trusted, we cannot be guided by geyevropeyskie values. I think if the West supplied us with gas, they would now block the pipe to Russia. With the West, you need to behave the same as they do to us. It is high time for Russia to place bets in development on the domestic market and develop economic relations with the Asian market: China, Korea, Japan.
    And no southern flows, the more so this project is still unprofitable, also an opportunity to abandon the Mistral
    1. Vitaliy735
      Vitaliy735 4 March 2014 14: 33
      +1
      But China sees the development of the situation in its favor and supports Russia. It can be very interesting depending on what the EU and the USA do.
  17. smith7
    smith7 4 March 2014 12: 52
    +1
    "The West cannot be trusted" - the title of the article is fundamentally "not about that." Already 500 years ago, interstate relations have not been built on "trust". Ask a first-year student of MGIMO or another student of a diplomatic university about this. And in the modern world, political decisions are based primarily on economic expediency, and secondly on "everything else." Shouts about the observance of "human rights", "declarations of independence" are a feeding trough for "plebeian" brains (the brains of the electorate). The task of politicians and those in power is only to pack their political and economic motives in a "democratic wrapper". Multi-step combinations to seize resources and markets of the Slavic-Eastern world have been implemented by the British Empire and its vassals (including the United States) for centuries in a row ... Only the Orthodox world has preserved some shreds of universal humanity in its mentality. One should speak with the "West" only in the language of strength and economic expediency. Even the Catholic (like some other Christian denominations) church, which for 1,5 thousand years was the spiritual ridge of Western civilization, resembles a stall selling "nishtyaks" lol Their "democracy" has long learned how to sell seats in parliaments and buy trade unionists for real money. They didn't wash themselves so long ago. How can one think about trusting "such" people, i.e. brought up by "such" ideology that VERA is an empty sound for them. And the diplomats should not relax any more! I think Yanukovych, when he signed on February 21, knew EVERYTHING ... He tried to somehow "save face", "face visibility", "spread straws" ... He knew that he (and his Ukraine) would be thrown! Perhaps in this way he wanted to sign an excuse for himself in front of the Western "partners" who keep his stolen billions (and which are now so lacking for the life of his country). We will not be told about it ... I probably will not live :) But Christoph Hörstel has a deep thought - and the "guarantees" signed by Westerners earlier on more other issues, how? It is indicative, clearly and openly, they threw away Ukraine - they threw other countries on other issues. The world community, UN, OSCE and other intergovernmental structures are disavowed. The planet is on the doorstep of the "BIG KHANA"! I'm scared ... For our children. The world that we will pass on to children is on the verge of collapse. Who's guilty? What to do?
  18. konvalval
    konvalval 4 March 2014 13: 29
    +3
    Hurstel, although German, is our German. We accept it in the CPSU (b).
  19. wax
    wax 4 March 2014 13: 32
    +1
    The first stage of becoming a European power at the level of Germany and France is over.
    Kiev is now an ideal place for a prosperous and happy life.
    The second stage began on February 21, 2014. Agreement signed on February 21, and on February 22 (at least before the expiration of 48 hours "from the moment of signing") Yanukovych was removed from power. Currently, the US representative to the UN calls this Agreement an empty piece of paper. So what is this if not a coup d'etat in Ukraine with the support of the US and the EU? The agreement has turned into a bumaku since its signing! Moreover, the EU immediately (February 24) recognized the usurpation of power.
  20. siberalt
    siberalt 4 March 2014 13: 40
    +2
    If Christophe understands almost everything, then why is it not clear to seasoned Western politicians? In Crimea, he predicts 2 development options. It is quite logical. But there are others. For example, the construction of a new Ukraine from Crimea on the basis of the dynamic unification of other regions into a single state. Or the creation of a confederation, which is even worse for them. Who will feed Kiev and zapadentsev? Belarus, and the Eurasian Union, have not yet said their word. Here, as it were, Astana can be turned into a new Nuremberg. Until the end of March, something else may happen that everyone will not have time for Ukraine. All options do not count.
    1. Vitaliy735
      Vitaliy735 4 March 2014 14: 41
      +3
      Kiev is not yet completely occupied by zapadentsy. People in Kiev are eyeing, gathering information, waiting. This is just the beginning of events. With Lvov it’s clear, and that’s half. Ukraine will wake up and Lviv will be cleared of Bandera. Now it is important to keep the Southeast. Do not allow the infection to creep.
  21. pechv
    pechv 4 March 2014 15: 09
    +1
    Reasonable and all to the point. We are waiting for the next series of accusations and the repetition of the darkest phrase about the current Secretary of State "knows he is lying." Painfully, everything is woven with white threads ...
    Today in Euronews showed a demonstration of protest against Russia and Putin, presenting this action as ... from the eastern regions of Ukraine. True, they did not say a word - from which city and when.
    They manipulate, distort, without thinking about the reputation. In the words of PU: "It's all sad."
  22. voliador
    voliador 4 March 2014 20: 57
    0
    For now, I’m wondering how the questions will be formed in the election bulletin.