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China put an end to the monopoly of the United States and Russia in the area of ​​long-range air defense systems

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China put an end to the monopoly of the United States and Russia in the area of ​​long-range air defense systems

The long-range air defense system was a traditional area of ​​monopoly on the part of the United States (the Patriot system) and Russia (the C-300 system). Turkish tender showed that for the first time in stories this monopoly is broken.

Statements that this is a copy of other systems are easy to refute. For example, the complex does not have a separate fire control radar, as on the Patriot and C-300, the HQ-9 missiles have a more powerful active homing head.

Thus, China should not simply imitate American and Russian technologies, the complex has its own characteristics, its own technological breakthroughs, the expert writes.

Another advantage of the Chinese proposal is that China has offered Turkey advanced technical cooperation to further improve HQ-9, which the US cannot offer in relation to its Patriot complex.

We are taking the first serious steps in the global arms market; China is still lagging behind the leading countries in developing some modern weapons systems, the expert admits.

But the Turkish tender showed that China is becoming a new great power that can make a great contribution to ensuring global and regional security.

As is known, the Chinese HQ-9 long-range air defense system “Red Flag” became the winner of the Turkish T-Loramids tender, winning the competition from the American Patriot system, the Russian C-400 and the European Aster.

The FD-2000 is an export version of the HQ-9 ADMS. It is wrong to assume that this complex is a copy of the Russian C-300. Russia showed C-300 for the first time at the Moscow Airshow in 1992, in 1993, deliveries of complexes to China began (according to other data, in 1996), after which Beijing began building its own HQ-9 complex, development continued for almost 15 years. Probably in the middle of the development stage, later Russian technologies were used.
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  1. Smiles to you
    Smiles to you 3 March 2014 13: 11
    +23
    Oh, These Chinese ... They all have their own design, and from scratch ...
    1. major071
      major071 3 March 2014 13: 19
      +32
      that this is a copy of other systems is easy to refute. For example, the complex does not have a separate fire control radar, as on the Patriot and C-300, HQ-9 missiles have a more powerful active homing head.

      The author forgot to mention a very important detail: PAINT ALL OTHER! laughing
      1. Patriot.ru.
        Patriot.ru. 3 March 2014 20: 25
        +4
        It's not about coloring. The homing head is unpredictable in EW conditions. Our anti-missiles are also induced by long-wave stations. And our scientists also received the Russian award for managing to show not only the azimuth but also the elevation angle on a long-wave locator.
    2. Su24
      Su24 3 March 2014 13: 24
      +17
      I wonder which of our leadership thought of promoting the S-400 in Turkey? So, as Iran, it’s not possible, but as a NATO country, so happy?
      It is good that the Chinese won the tender.
      1. beard999
        beard999 3 March 2014 14: 42
        +14
        Quote: Su24
        then from our leadership thought of promoting S-400 in Turkey

        And where did you get the idea that someone was really offering S-400 to Turkey? Actually, Rosoboronexport, regarding the sale of S-400 to the Turks, never even stuttered. It is the Turks who said they want the S-400, not the S-300. This is where the bike went to the media for a walk ... But in reality, Russia didn’t even offer S-300P air defense systems for the Turkish tender, but only an export modification of the Antey-2500 army air defense system (S-300VM) http: //www.kommersant .ru / doc / 2313349.
        Rosoboronexport has repeatedly stated that S-400 will not be delivered abroad in principle until these systems are delivered in the required quantity to the Russian Armed Forces.
        And in general, not the USSR, not the Russian Federation, has never delivered to the third countries the same air defense systems with which it equipped its aircraft. “Weakened” export modifications have always gone abroad.
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 3 March 2014 15: 08
        0
        And we have such a tradition - to trade with Turkey. Look at what they patrol on the Iraqi border - BTR-80, AKM, so no wonder.
    3. NEMO
      NEMO 3 March 2014 13: 24
      +24
      Quote: Smiles at you
      Oh, These Chinese ... They all have their own design, and from scratch ...

      The article, full of Amateur, especially smiled after reading the phrase:
      "Claims to be a copy of other systems easy to refute... For example, the complex does not have a separate fire control radar, as on the Patriot and the S-300 ... "
      What then in the picture? Maybe it’s still - Multifunctional HT-233 radar for illumination and guidance, surrounded by two PUs soldier
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 3 March 2014 13: 37
        +2
        Everything would be fine if the Chinese made quality products, then another thing. One country has already blasphemed, another in turn.
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 3 March 2014 15: 10
        +2
        No, this is a sunny awning. laughing It’s hot in Turkey, and under such a canopy the whole battery can take cover.
      3. 77bob1973
        77bob1973 3 March 2014 15: 23
        +4
        The fact of the matter is that he wrote a complete "noob", they have an active head on the rocket, on the S-300 there are six types of missiles, including even those with a nuclear charge.
    4. Cherdak
      Cherdak 3 March 2014 16: 06
      +3
      Quote: Smiles at you
      Oh, these Chinese.

      Another screech: "China does not follow a simple imitation of American and Russian technologies, the complex has its own characteristics, its own technological breakthroughs, the expert writes."
      There’s a little thing left - find out who this expert is?
      1. Nikaviz
        Nikaviz 3 March 2014 20: 30
        +3
        This is an expert ....
    5. Petr1
      Petr1 3 March 2014 16: 12
      +2
      Like two drops of water with the S-300 family, and who is the author?
    6. opinion
      opinion 3 March 2014 18: 01
      +4
      China threatens to demand US debt if Americans push Russia
      Strong China + Strong Russia = Weak West
      Do not envy the Chinese. Let them do it. And you do even better.
    7. sens99.ru
      sens99.ru 3 March 2014 18: 55
      +2
      The title of the article is incorrect. Monopoly is when one company or country, and not two!
      To say anything about the Chinese is useless. Want to minus, but they are stupid thieves. And the fact that they came up with useful things 2000 years ago, somehow it makes no difference to me!
    8. witch
      witch 3 March 2014 19: 38
      +2
      Well, they waited. They were sold. Soon, the yars with poplar-M will begin to invent their own))
  2. queen
    queen 3 March 2014 13: 11
    +3
    They are some kind of blue) Where will you hide them?)
    1. Lissyara
      Lissyara 3 March 2014 13: 29
      +2
      They are air based wink The wings are not visible in the photo.
      And some kind of "square" camouflage ...
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    3. lelikas
      lelikas 3 March 2014 15: 49
      +1
      Quote: regin
      They are some kind of blue) Where will you hide them?)

      They are not blue - dark blue - especially for Arab Europe.
  3. Alez
    Alez 3 March 2014 13: 12
    +3
    All characteristics on paper in real battles did not participate.
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 3 March 2014 13: 25
      +3
      Quote: Alez
      All characteristics on paper in real battles did not participate.


      So created against a kite laughing
  4. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 3 March 2014 13: 14
    +9
    Key phrase- "China has put an end ..." You can not read further. It's time for 15 years of studying the S-300 to stick something from yourself ...
  5. Wiruz
    Wiruz 3 March 2014 13: 14
    +4
    The fact that the Turks bought the air defense systems from China does not mean that the monopoly is destroyed, and even more so that the Chinese copies of Russian air defense systems are better than the original. IMHO
    1. aleks 62
      aleks 62 3 March 2014 13: 34
      +4
      A copy - to put it mildly ... With a range they have problems and are very large (they cannot make gunpowder) ...
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 3 March 2014 13: 37
      +5
      Quote: Wiruz
      and even more so does not mean that Chinese copies of Russian air defense systems are better than the original. IMHO

      A nuance in another is production capacities, the Chinese will have time to rivet 300 HQ-10 on each C-9 and in the end they will simply flood the market at bargain prices.
      There will always be a client who prefers a little more modest quality for the sake of quantity and delivery speed.
      So anyway, but they are quite serious competitors.
  6. kirqiz ssr
    kirqiz ssr 3 March 2014 13: 15
    .
    who says that China steals copies, only envious people say that they themselves can’t envy China well done Chinese will soon overtake the Russian Federation by technology, at least compare the Chinese drone and the Russian one it’s completely sucks, I mean the Russian drone completely sucks.
    1. Nikxnumx
      Nikxnumx 3 March 2014 13: 31
      +9
      Quote: Kirqiz SSR
      who says that China steals copies, only envious people say that they themselves can’t envy China well done Chinese will soon overtake the Russian Federation by technology, at least compare the Chinese drone and the Russian one it’s completely sucks, I mean the Russian drone completely sucks.

      Immediately obvious cool expert.
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 3 March 2014 13: 38
      +5
      Quote: Kirqiz SSR
      who says that China steals copies, only envious people say that they themselves can’t envy China well done Chinese will soon overtake the Russian Federation by technology, at least compare the Chinese drone and the Russian one it’s completely sucks, I mean the Russian drone completely sucks.


      Forgive us, O Great fan of Chinese drones! Where do we, the poor and the wretched, keep up with Chinese technology. Another gross fake:

      This year, Wing Loong or Pterodactyl became the most notable new example of unmanned aerial vehicles, as Defense News reports in its review. According to available information, this drone is now in working condition and is being adopted. Previously, China showed only its models. It looks very much like the American MQ-9 Reaper, with which the Pentagon bombed militant shelters in Pakistan. Few foreign journalists were allowed to look at him, but photographs and video footage that appeared on the Internet forced aviation journalist ace David Cenciotti to note that Pterodactyl appears to be “largely copied from the American model”
      However, it is much cheaper. Wing Loong is incredibly cheap at $ 1 million, while the Reaper is around $ 30 million. And now I hasten to warn potential buyers: what you get for this price may not be very efficient "
      Have you seen him in business? Really no? Here I am too ...
    3. sssla
      sssla 3 March 2014 14: 09
      +4
      Kirghiz he and the Kirghiz in Africa"" "The Russian drone sucks."" "
    4. Bezarius
      Bezarius 3 March 2014 14: 43
      +3
      yes you yourself are ethereal -_- '
  7. T-100
    T-100 3 March 2014 13: 15
    +2
    Thus, China should not simply imitate American and Russian technologies, the complex has its own characteristics, its own technological breakthroughs, the expert writes.

    Expert - really chtoli? Copiers - they are copiers, they added a little and gave out as their own)))
  8. propolsky
    propolsky 3 March 2014 13: 16
    0
    Everything is blown away, how to drink and refined with the help of what has also been taken over ...
  9. operrus
    operrus 3 March 2014 13: 19
    +5
    I can’t believe in Chinese developments, because they took our S-300 and contributed something, I believe something of my own, it’s like the Chinese are masters as usual, but I don’t completely believe it. The S-400 did not participate in the tender, the Turks wanted and ours refused, they offered only the S-300, the Turks were offended, they took the Chinese system.
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 3 March 2014 14: 31
      +3
      Quote: operrus
      S-400 did not participate in the tender, the Turks wanted
      ...

      The plane was fly-fly, the turkish hotel-hotel, the airplane by the khrill mahal-mahal, the offspring bats-i fell. Chinese systems, however ...
  10. visitor
    visitor 3 March 2014 13: 20
    +2
    added 4 new stickers and changed rubber mats
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    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 3 March 2014 13: 28
      +2
      Quote: SamboRussia
      The author apparently does not know that Russia does not supply s-400 for export!

      Why should he know? He has a different goal. And he, colorfully brought it to our attention. Another thing is that we read and smiled, and the Chinese are pleased to read this. wink
  12. Sambo russia
    Sambo russia 3 March 2014 13: 25
    +3
    The author apparently does not know that the S-400 air defense missiles are not exported!
  13. edeligor
    edeligor 3 March 2014 13: 26
    +1
    He laughed heartily. At the same time, a guy from the Kyrgyz SSR minus slammed for ignorance of the Russian language and the realities of the modern arms market. I didn’t understand one, ours that put up the S-400 for sale? Explain the knowledgeable.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 3 March 2014 13: 42
      +5
      Quote: edeligor
      I didn’t understand one, ours that C-400 put up for sale?

      No, the official position of Russia is not to supply the C-400 for export until the C-500 combatant arrivals enter service.
      1. edeligor
        edeligor 3 March 2014 13: 51
        +2
        I categorically welcome you hi Thank you, then the article is a full hat as I thought! What does the situation in Ukraine look like from BV?
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 3 March 2014 15: 10
          +2
          Quote: edeligor
          I categorically welcome you hi Thank you, then the article is a full hat as I thought! What does the situation in Ukraine look like from BV?

          In a word - slurred, there is a full-scale information war, both camps pour mud over each other, you have to read everything from both camps, and then look for the truth somewhere in the middle, due to their modest analytical capabilities.
          Our Foreign Ministry decided not to get stuck at all, the stupidest thing to be between a rock and a hard place was supporting one of the parties, especially since USAA still grinds a tooth on us, they do not forgive when they force them to wipe and swallow, especially to us. (They would have leaked us long ago, but they just can’t)
          The only, ours, in my opinion, was warned through unofficial channels of the fascists that if they touched the Ukrainian Jews, they would begin to die. The effect exceeded all expectations, Yarosh rushed to our ambassador in Kiev and began to tearfully assure that they did not even have anti-Semitism in their thoughts, apparently they really scared them.
          1. jjj
            jjj 3 March 2014 15: 21
            +2
            Quote: And Us Rat
            The effect exceeded all expectations, Yarosh rushed to our ambassador in Kiev and began to tearfully assure that they did not even have anti-Semitism in their thoughts, apparently they really scared them.

            Well done
          2. edeligor
            edeligor 3 March 2014 15: 57
            +3
            Quote: And Us Rat
            The effect exceeded all expectations.

            Thank. Ours has someone to take an example. They showed Bilogo, and then his corpse was disfigured, then many would have no desire to go under fascist banners.
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 3 March 2014 14: 34
      +1
      Quote: edeligor
      for ignorance of the Russian language


      Yes, this is not necessary, not bad for the Kyrgyz. They are just sure that Chinese is the best ...
      1. edeligor
        edeligor 3 March 2014 14: 58
        +1
        Really wink Choi, I did not think ... I read about droneless, other associations arose repeat
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 3 March 2014 15: 14
          +1
          Quote: edeligor
          ... read about droneless

          Oahahahahaha laughing laughing laughing I want to see what it is wassat
        2. jjj
          jjj 3 March 2014 15: 21
          +2
          Quote: edeligor
          droneless, other associations arose

          Little rascal ...
        3. geo1286
          geo1286 3 March 2014 23: 38
          0
          "beerless, other associations arose"
          nasty....))
  14. slthew
    slthew 3 March 2014 13: 30
    +1
    Why compare with the C300 complex? Everything is clear with the USA - the patriot is exhausted, but Russia has the latest developments - the finished C400 and the developing C500.
  15. Hamul
    Hamul 3 March 2014 13: 33
    +2
    Expert? Pliz expert give a complete comparison on TTX.

    in Turkey, China most likely won purely in terms of value, moreover, it is interesting - but how will Turkey fit the Chinese crafts into NATO standards?

    Threat. the Chinese are trying to cross Russian and American weapons in their TYPES. Maybe they really brought out some miracle of the south?
  16. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 3 March 2014 13: 37
    +1
    Whether we like it or not, China will very soon become one of the largest manufacturers, and therefore a supplier of military equipment, and these will not be Kalash. And we would not have to put the sticks in the wheels, but agree on joint projects and production. That in the future not to compete with each other knocking down the price, but to share the profit. Better yet, establish a joint monopoly on some kind of weapon, or a large market, such as the Asian one.
    1. real
      real 3 March 2014 14: 25
      +1
      About four years ago, in a military journal, there was an article that talked about the joint Russian-Chinese development of the Chinese version of the S-400 ... HQ-19 ... So, people are kouming upstairs!
    2. real
      real 3 March 2014 14: 31
      0
      Residents of Kovrov, where Degtyarevsky plant stands, everyone is aware that tracking, guidance, etc. Shipped to ...... China ...... for final assembly! Along the way, there is a production joint venture, Russian-Chinese in the defense industry! It seems that even a whole bunch ....
  17. supertiger21
    supertiger21 3 March 2014 13: 38
    0
    In general, one thing surprised me ... angry What the hell were they planning to supply the S-400 to Turkey ??? Was it not enough that the S-300 had already visited the US? And who is responsible for such transactions and contracts?
    1. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 3 March 2014 14: 36
      +1
      Weapons are just a technique for which they pay very well. I doubt that the Americans are not aware of its parameters, they are in the public domain, and are unlikely to copy, they have their own. In addition, options with underestimated characteristics are exported, the Americans recognize the maximum weaknesses of the s-400E. This will be a problem for Turkey, not ours. We are already experiencing a newer one.
  18. andrei332809
    andrei332809 3 March 2014 13: 40
    +1
    I do not believe. The declared performance characteristics are unlikely to correspond to the valid ones. in advertising demonstrations no one exploits the ultimate performance. and reliability, the period of maintenance-free operation, reaction time are in doubt.
    this is a personal opinion repeat
    1. major071
      major071 3 March 2014 14: 16
      +7
      hi Andrew! Add to your opinion:

      As the author declares - it is exclusive
      This is not in any country
      On C-300's, depicting your flag
      The Chinese appear in all its glory
      Then they will paint a wheel with new paint
      That launchers set at a different angle
      At the tender they shout: "Buy, ay, holoso!"
      And the Turks are driving their scrap metal. laughing
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 3 March 2014 14: 27
        0
        Quote: major071
        Add to your opinion:

        good
        healthy, Vova hi
    2. andrei332809
      andrei332809 3 March 2014 14: 37
      0
      Quote: andrei332809
      I do not believe

  19. TAMERLAN 7
    TAMERLAN 7 3 March 2014 13: 44
    +2
    The HQ-9 has a maximum range of 200 km, an interception height of 0,5-30 km, but at the same time the HT-233 illumination and guidance radar, with a detection range of 120 km, and tracking - 90 km. It is rumored to be capable of intercepting tactical ballistic missiles. The HQ-9 was developed by the China Academy of Defense Technology, formerly known as the Second Aerospace Academy, part of CASIC (China Aerospace Science & Industry Corporation). The development of early prototypes of the HQ-9 complex has begun back in the early 80s(unfinished) of the last century and continued with varying success until the mid-90s. In 1993, China purchased a batch of Russian S-300PMU-1 air defense systems.. The technical solutions and design features of this complex were largely borrowed by Chinese experts during further work on the HQ-9 (they finally did it, it’s better to say, they stole it). Maybe the decision of the Turks in favor of China is caused by their fears of both Russia (a long-standing enemy) and the USA (Islam is not alien to them and who knows ......)?
  20. Alexey M
    Alexey M 3 March 2014 13: 50
    +1
    Well done Chinese, what to say. Let us give them our unpainted technique we will hand over. They will paint it in blue and give out for their designs.
  21. Barsik
    Barsik 3 March 2014 13: 50
    +1
    From reliable sources it became known that the Chinese air defense system will be able to intercept the latest air kites of increased maneuverability and even made using stealth technology))))
  22. Strashila
    Strashila 3 March 2014 13: 56
    +3
    We can giggle, but we must pay tribute to the Chinese, they try to copy something, cross something ... they only go their own way. Access to Western technologies in electronics and to the Russian approach to solving technical problems give a lot of variations to work out their decisions.
  23. sub307
    sub307 3 March 2014 14: 00
    +1
    A clear "signal" for NPO Almaz.
  24. andrei332809
    andrei332809 3 March 2014 14: 08
    +1
    in stamped belay
  25. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 3 March 2014 14: 19
    +1
    No, this is not a copy, it’s really their rocket made of high-carbon wood and plastic, well, a little tin and generally painting like on children's slides, a rocket is super for beginner young technicians.
    1. Sochi
      Sochi 3 March 2014 14: 28
      0
      Are the Chinese twisting traction fans included?
    2. Capyar 48315
      Capyar 48315 3 March 2014 14: 38
      +1
      CHINA AND ITS TECHNOLOGIES DO NOT ALREADY CAUSE ANYTIME. Doubtful PRODUCT OF THIS SEGMENT NO ONE WILL BUY, MORE THAN THE NATO COUNTRY. DON'T TEAR STUPIDLY
      1. Sochi
        Sochi 3 March 2014 14: 48
        0
        China may be well done in the sense of copying and stealing other people's ideas and technologies, but so far they have no school in the design and development of new technology. Theoretical science is in their infancy, although they are going in this direction but not by leaps and bounds, and real results need to be expected soon.
  26. Yeraz
    Yeraz 3 March 2014 14: 20
    0
    Quote: TAMERLAN 7
    Maybe the decision of the Turks in favor of China is caused by their fears of both Russia (a long-standing enemy) and the USA (Islam is not alien to them and who knows ......)?

    Yes, just China agreed to do most of the complex in Turkey, and the rest refused, only a completely finished product, the Chinese agreed to transfer a significant part of the technology, and the rest did not, plus the price was probably lower.
    Yes, and Turkey has rapidly advanced in the development of its defense industry.
    and S-400 Russia most likely would not be sold, it simply designated its participation in the tender as one of the largest suppliers of air defense systems.
    1. Capyar 48315
      Capyar 48315 3 March 2014 14: 33
      0
      COMPLETELY POSSIBLE AND THE PRICE IS POSSIBLE DUMPING TO ENTRY INTO THE MARKET
  27. Vadim12
    Vadim12 3 March 2014 14: 21
    0
    Something on the S-300 looks suspiciously ... And how could he win a tender with the S-400, which is not exported?
  28. Capyar 48315
    Capyar 48315 3 March 2014 14: 30
    0
    It is interesting to look at them in battle or at least an unbiased field test. A GENERAL LONG-EXPECTED EVENT - CHINA CONSTANTLY INCREASES THE EXPORT OF WEAPONS, AND EVERYTHING IS MORE VARIOUS. DOES THERE THAT VIDEO COMPLEX LINKS HAVE?
  29. schizophrenic
    schizophrenic 3 March 2014 14: 30
    0
    Yes, everything ahead of China, just like not kidding, in 20 years they will be able to seriously compete with everyone if it doesn’t hurt even if they set Turkey back at a loss.
  30. real
    real 3 March 2014 14: 34
    0
    About four years ago there was an article discussing the joint Russian-Chinese development of the Chinese version of the S-400 (HQ-19).
  31. raven75
    raven75 3 March 2014 14: 42
    +1
    Too similar to the S-300/400 to be a purely Chinese invention. China, a normal country, unlike the West, is friendly to Russia. They have a sin to steal technology from other countries, but this is a common thing, all countries are doing this (for the Chinese, it works best). That's just to steal the technology of an iPhone and the technology of creating an air defense system are slightly different things. Both we and the United States have been practicing all this for several decades. All this at a time, do not sleep. Even twice and so on. Experience, as they say, you will not drink. In addition to electronics, there are so many things that are distracted by long-range air defense missiles ... Even 30-year-old airplane engines are a problem for the Chinese, not to mention rocket engines that can intercept even ballistic warheads
  32. TAMERLAN 7
    TAMERLAN 7 3 March 2014 14: 47
    0
    Turkish tender for the purchase of twelve long-range air defense systems (T-LORAMIDS) - the Turks rejected the American offer - Patriot air defense systems in versions PAC-2 GMT or PAC-3 from Raytheon and Lockheed Martin. Rejected the European proposal - the SAMP-T complex, or else the EUROSAM Land system from the consortium Aerospatiale, Alenia and Thompson-CSF. And our proposal is an export version of the military complex S-300VM from Almaz-Antey concern (Who said that the S-400 was offered to them?).
    The result of the tender is all the more surprising because there was direct pressure and threats from the United States and the NATO leadership to prevent the non-Western air defense system from winning.
    In addition, the FD-2000 complex has the lowest price, while our anti-aircraft systems (as well as the western ones) are extremely expensive. And their price increases significantly if the equipment is expanded by additional means (such as radio intelligence systems) .In fact, the T-LORAMIDS tender (Turkish Long Range Air And Missile Defense System) provides not only for the purchase of ready-made air defense systems, but also production in Turkey main components. This obliges Turkey to transfer a number of key technologies. Would we or the United States sell our missiles and we would have to transfer technology to them too. As the journalists wrote:
    For us, Turkey minus NATO is better than Turkey plus NATO.
    good
    1. raven75
      raven75 3 March 2014 15: 04
      0
      Do you have to pay for quality, or what?
      1. TAMERLAN 7
        TAMERLAN 7 3 March 2014 15: 16
        0
        No doubt price is a key factor in this deal! We don’t know what else the Chinese promised the Turks (not officially)! It is important for them to enter the market and this transaction is a good advertisement! For poor countries, cheaper but formidable crafts of China are a tempting alternative.
        For the smart there is a saying: "The miser pays twice!" SAM is not a spittoon, you save - a penny, lose - a ruble!
  33. konvalval
    konvalval 3 March 2014 15: 02
    0
    Quote: Smiles to You
    Oh, These Chinese ... They all have their own design, and from scratch ...

    That's right. And everything does not look like anything. And the expert is not a Chinese by chance?
    1. Smiles to you
      Smiles to you 3 March 2014 15: 41
      0
      Do you think mishandled? bully
  34. kind
    kind 3 March 2014 15: 53
    +1
    I do not believe in it. Where are the statistics. You need to shoot hundreds of missiles at real and training targets in various climatic and weather conditions, with a maximum of interference. To determine the probability of defeat, then draw conclusions, and the fact that their rockets fly is yes. Do they only hit the target? Well, about the fact that the Chinese do fireworks masters - it's true.
  35. zeleznijdorojnik
    zeleznijdorojnik 3 March 2014 16: 12
    0
    You can’t stop developing, you need to reduce the time between the outputs of the missile generations: s-300-beginning of the 70s, s-400-end of the 90s, adopted in 2007, and now with the s-500
  36. grandfather
    grandfather 3 March 2014 17: 23
    0
    ball on the collision of China and Turkey against Russia, more in this article nothing is stated in fact.
  37. 528Obrp
    528Obrp 3 March 2014 18: 02
    0
    They are underwater based
    Quote: regin
    They are some kind of blue) Where will you hide them?)

    They are underwater based, red for the red sea, yellow for yellow. But this is owls. secret know how.
  38. homosum20
    homosum20 3 March 2014 18: 34
    0
    Do not slander. China is our friend. True - with such friends, enemies are no longer needed.
  39. razved
    razved 3 March 2014 21: 04
    0
    They already supplied air defense systems to Latin America. So, their radar flew in a month fellow
  40. kelevra
    kelevra 3 March 2014 22: 30
    0
    China does not have a solid and reliable scientific base, they themselves recognized this, therefore, all the copied or newly created equipment does not work for them, large and frequent failures occur.
  41. donguz
    donguz 3 March 2014 22: 34
    0
    The Chinese Lunokhod also does not look like anything, though it did not work long.
  42. mvv
    mvv 3 March 2014 23: 21
    +1
    let the Chinese think that they destroyed the monopoly. let be!
  43. Vita_vko
    Vita_vko 3 March 2014 23: 43
    +2
    For Turkey, the main requirement is the complete transfer of technology. Neither the US nor Russia is ready for this. That is why, despite the worst performance characteristics, the Chinese air defense system won the tender. Turkey has a fairly powerful production and many competent engineers. I think in a couple of years the Turkish air defense system will surpass the Chinese version, all the more there is an agreement on joint work in this area.
    The main problem for the development of Chinese, and now also Turkish air defense systems is the lack of a system for training their own scientific personnel and a scientific school. All of their specialists study abroad and naturally have no experience in design work. Who will admit them to the latest research!
    But that's not the point. RosOboronExport had a political opportunity to gain a foothold in the Turkish technology market. Why not do what they did with India in the joint development of missiles and aircraft or the UAE in the development of the Panzer? But now the train has already left.
    Therefore now, taking into account the political situation in the circle of Russia, it is time to go further and begin negotiations with China on the creation of the Eurosian missile defense system. Firstly it will be a worthy response to Euro missile defense and the organization of a coup in Ukrainesecondly, a lot of countries wishing to protect themselves from the threat of missile strikes are drawn to this project. And it is not necessary for Russia to transmit ready-made secret technical solutions for this, it is enough to start joint research and development from level 0. This will significantly boost the entire scientific and technical potential and significantly reduce the cost of deploying our own missile defense system.