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Refugee from Ukraine: I do not want to participate in a fratricidal war

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Refugee from Ukraine: I do not want to participate in a fratricidal warNot all military service in Ukraine are going to weapons in the hands to defend the new power. So, one of the residents of Kiev came to Russia and intends to seek political asylum here.


At four in the morning, Anatoly Kokhno found out about the mobilization and tore up his military ID. At seven I arrived at Boryspil airport, at eight forty flew away from Kiev. In Moscow, Anatoly said he did not want to participate in hostilities and asked for political asylum.

"If it was some kind of real threat to the population, and not political games, it would be a completely different conversation. But I don’t get into politics: it's bad when a brother goes to his brother," Anatoly explains his decision.

According to Anatoly, many Ukrainians were shocked by the announcement of mobilization. Several of his friends also tore up their documents and did not go to the military registration and enlistment offices.

Anatoly is sure that in the near future thousands of people will leave Ukraine for Russia. The flow of people, he said, is likely to go through Belarus.

Those with relatives in Russia will be much easier to move and obtain citizenship. For example, Anatoly in Moscow was waiting for his wife and daughter. Did not sleep all night. "I asked to collect things and urgently take off. Because the child needs a father. Alive," recalls Anatoly, Zemfira, wife.

In the coming days, Anatoly will need to go to the Federal Migration Service and write an application for asylum. He has seven days to do this.
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  1. demon184
    demon184 3 March 2014 12: 26
    +7
    It’s bad that good people leave Ukraine, only the Nazis will remain there and then it’s not far from the war. It is the Nazis who must flee to Europe, it is impossible to build Kiev and Ukraine.
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 3 March 2014 12: 45
      +1
      This is the Nazis must flee to Europe, you can not build Kiev and Ukraine
      Fascists are proud birds - until you kick you will not fly! An urgent need to send troops before they were brought in by the American Americans.
    2. ulis83
      ulis83 3 March 2014 16: 05
      -2
      Guys, please tell me: Do you really believe that the Nazis are in power in Ukraine now, and the mythical "brown plague" is rolling in the country? Believe me, this is absolutely not the case. Come, take a look, talk to people, and only then draw conclusions.

      Understand that now there is a full-blown information war, and on both sides. You (in Russia) are told one thing, to us (in Ukraine) - another. It is only less objective to judge the situation in a country only while inside this same country. So, I can confidently say that there is no fascist threat in Ukraine.
      1. Dimkin
        Dimkin 3 March 2014 17: 36
        +6
        I agree with you that there is an information war on both sides and in order to understand better, you have to be in place and constantly ask yourself: "Who benefits from this?" But this is what I fundamentally disagree with, so who has come to power in Ukraine now, perhaps for you people with UPA flags and Stepan Bandera's posters are not fascists, but for me they will forever be Nazi Germany's henchmen, and therefore fascists.
      2. DON-100
        DON-100 3 March 2014 17: 38
        0
        ulis83 Well, tell us what happened and is happening there. Personally, I am interested in the opinions of Ukrainians on the events taking place in their homeland.
        1. ulis83
          ulis83 3 March 2014 18: 35
          -1
          What has happened and is happening with us?
          In short, everything looks something like this (in my opinion): after a sharp change in the foreign policy of Ukraine, people who disagree with this went to express their protest on the Maidan, on November 30 they dispersed them. The public was outraged and already on December 1 there was no where on the Maidan to fall an apple. At the same time, the very essence of the protest has changed: people have already married not for the EU, but against tyranny, total corruption, the state’s dribbling. treasury, social. insecurity, unwillingness of the authorities to conduct any dialogue with the people, etc., etc. I did not conduct surveys, but among my friends (I live in Vinnitsa, central Ukraine), almost everyone supported the Maidan protest.

          Until January 19 (two months from the start of the protests), the authorities stubbornly ignored the Maidan and did not engage in dialogue. Then there were well-known tragic events. People died on both sides of the barricades.

          As for the "Right Sector", the radical nationalists from this group became the strike ("assault") force of the Maidan. However, now they have stepped aside and, by and large, do not affect anything. In the new government, their representatives did not receive a single seat, and most likely, over time, "PS" will merge.

          Therefore, there are no fascists in official Kiev. And to call the liberal Jew Yatsenyuk a fascist is not even funny.

          VO "Svoboda" is also not fascists, and not even nationalists. These are populists who, on the basis of nationalist ideas, build for themselves a kind of image of patriots of Ukraine.

          Say, nothing has changed in Ukraine? Like, some were removed from the trough, others were brought ... Perhaps. But there is one important (turning point) moment - after all the events that have happened, anyone, even the most "inveterate politician" who comes to power (at any level), will know that apart from his own. pockets have to think about people. Otherwise, let's say, people will not understand and may get angry.
          1. DON-100
            DON-100 3 March 2014 19: 25
            +1
            Well, let’s say that it was, I understand perfectly well the people who went to the Maidan to express their protest against corrupt authorities, but this had to be done within the framework of the law, as a result, everything turned into a real coup. Why was it to arrange this outrage, these pogroms, to kill the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs?
            1. ulis83
              ulis83 3 March 2014 23: 51
              0
              Killing people is impossible to justify. It was an all-Ukrainian catastrophe and tragedy, which showed that one’s own people cannot be ignored. Especially if this people has a high level of public consciousness.

              Another confirmation of civic cohesion is the lineup of volunteers in Ukrainian military enlistment offices (moreover, google the Ukrainian media throughout the country) who are ready to defend their homeland. Now there is talk that Ukraine, if necessary, can put up a millionth army to defend itself. Believe me, this is actually so.

              Therefore, I urge you to oppose a possible fratricidal war. A terrible disaster can happen.
              1. ikrut
                ikrut 4 March 2014 03: 06
                +2
                Where and what queues. Well, you can't lie so shamelessly !!!! even in the selling media announced that in 2 days they managed to mobilize 1,5% of the planned. Kolomoisky organized a particularly "handsome" mobilization at his rally in Dnepropetrovsk. Where, according to his call, a column of identical guys immediately stood out from the crowd and marched towards the military enlistment office. There is no need for a circus.
                There is no army. Google the opinion of a Maidan supporter, a former Interior Ministry general - Ya. There is nothing to fly. nothing to wear, nothing to arm, nothing to start. And it’s commonplace that no one wants to serve. There are only gangster groups of gopots from football and hired fools. The videos of these deceived people who were taken to Kharkov from Poltava were very revealing. ostensibly for a "walk". Their passports were taken away, and then, when the people went to storm the administration building, the militants from the right sector threw them forward at the attackers, and they themselves fled. boys 16-18 years old. were shaking with fear and not understanding what was what. There is NO civil cohesion ANY. The country is RADICALLY divided into the South-East and Center with the West. And this cannot be sewn with anything.
          2. Kite
            Kite 3 March 2014 22: 08
            +1
            Quote: ulis83
            la-la-la ..... Otherwise, let’s say, people don’t understand and can get angry.

            So you don’t understand who wound your tail so that they were harder?
            I’m afraid they will call them a provocateur, if I suggest that the Maidan continue the same method of driving the new government, or leave it ready for three months, it will be necessary. (will revolutionaries allow this against themselves?) But what, they suddenly found crystal-clear honests (millionaires and billionaires - hmm fool ), even PS removed himself?
            "Simplicity is worse than stealing." the saying is, are you a simpleton or .....?
            1. ulis83
              ulis83 3 March 2014 23: 29
              -1
              I will not answer your attempts to insult.

              I just want to ask: what is it that your media are telling you about Ukraine, what is your opinion that is so distorted on our account? ..
              1. Kite
                Kite 4 March 2014 13: 11
                0
                Quote: ulis83
                I just want to ask: what is your media telling you about Ukraine,

                So our media is not available to you? Yo-mine! However, you have a "flourishing democracy" already! wassat
                We saw how it was not the first time that the Maidan canceled the elections and the elected authorities (why not think about the results before the elections?), Saw how servicemen were beaten and burned. We saw makeyns and other riffraff, having fun at your "holiday". We saw provocateurs with firearms on the Maidan and shooting in the backs of unarmed (only with shields) "eccentrics" who jumped out onto the shooting stage. We saw the face of a moron tyagnibok (oh, and the leaders climbed out!), Heard Yarosh - bro Umarov, Sashko Muzychko - gave a lesson in democracy (is he still teaching?) an administrative building (not ashamed to fool the youths?), and intimidated traffic inspectors, burned-out buses on intercity routes (Kiev-Odessa). You have achieved so much in democracy that it is time for your teachers to think about renouncing the self-imposed titles of leaders of the democratic world. And all your successes under the leadership of you despised corrupt oligarchs! (all the media played a tune).
                Let's get back to the beginning.
                Quote: Kite
                So you don’t understand who wound your tail so that they were harder?
          3. pulemetchik_39
            pulemetchik_39 3 March 2014 23: 56
            +1
            I just happened to watch one video, filming of the Ukrainian channel. A "checkpoint" was shown there, it seems in Chernivtsi, or in Cherkassy (I understand, the difference is big, but in tune). So, footage of beating people, breaking windows on buses is not democracy, this is not a peaceful protest! These are the Bandera savages! Well, when they showed me how a minibus, heading to St. Petersburg (there were, by the way, most of them were women) was thrown with bottles of fuel, then my eyes were already on my forehead! The bus is being bombarded with Molotov cocktails on the move, tell me what is it? Is this how you understand the struggle for your rights - by burning people alive?
            I really want to believe that all the scum that we saw on numerous records will be found, and they will get theirs.
          4. ikrut
            ikrut 4 March 2014 02: 59
            +3
            This is all LIES - from beginning to end. picture from ukrSMI, In buyout there is not a word of truth. Originally, the Maidan was built on anti-Russian and anti-Russian sentiments. Long before the first dispersal of "onzhdetey", the main speech of the Maidan was - "Whoa, do not jump." Such a Nazi flash mob. Later. 1.01. was a Nazi march across Kiev with swastikas, chants "to her knives." trampling on the Russian flag and intimidating the population. And these were only the most delicate flowers. It all started later. All Nazis organizations have been preparing for many years in camps in ZapUkriya. Specialists from the States were in charge. Supervised early. SBU - nalivaychenko. Funded, oddly enough, by Jewish oligarchs. They themselves all live abroad. There is a video and a photo about it. The right sector united all pro-Nazi organizations with iron discipline. In their program document, Russia is named - ENEMY number ONE. And the fate of the Russians who disagree with this is intimidation, terror or destruction. All this is written and accessible. the rest of the events are known. Yanukovych is just a stupid Seluk. crossed the road to the chosen of God, raking off Ukraine. I decided to do everything myself. And he paid for it. Nazi fighting units were created, capable of resisting the police. The authorities were intimidated and demoralized by the West. For the chosen ones, it is all the same what and how will happen to the natives in Ukraine. But it is better to keep them at enmity with each other, periodically giving priority to one or the other. Classic script by Mein Kampf. Only tougher and more cynical. Adolf was kinder than they are today. of course no one will think about people. "Reforms" have already been announced. which will not only greatly worsen the situation of the population, but will practically collapse it into the abyss. There is no longer any question of freedom at all. party ban, media and TV censorship. Physical persecution of dissidents is already over the edge. Under a full cap of the grant-eating, oligarch-controlled mass media. Such are the things, little kids.
      3. ikrut
        ikrut 4 March 2014 02: 45
        +2
        Why believe in what you see with your own eyes? The junta in Kiev sits on the bayonets of the Nazis and the money of God's chosen oligarchs. Now DEMONSTRATIVELY and in defiance of the natives in the industrial regions of Ukraine, the divine oligarchs HIMSELF have appointed Gauleiters. The same Kolomoisky, with his security forces, crushed any dissent in Dn-sk. And what is most interesting - in alliance with the Nazis. "Jewish Kiev" even wrote about it. probably to them, in a hurry, did not have time to bring the leading line. I myself live in the Dnieper. Now I have arrived in Crimea - good there is an opportunity - that is where peace, order and grace are. So that just "exhaust" everything and observe.
        Now they are writing from Odessa. Activist pensioners and hundreds of young unarmed children were barricaded in the Regional State Administration. And militant units are marching around them in the city now. several hundred. With shields and bats. With Nazi chants. Imported from Western Ukraine. Led by the odious bandit Sashka Bilym. The fact that in Rivne with a machine gun commands the area. And no one can help those around. There will be blood and sacrifices. But corrupt ukrosmi not say a word about it. Do not lie to people, dear.
      4. crazyrom
        crazyrom 4 March 2014 05: 21
        0
        The threat is fascist or not fascist - it does not matter. The main thing: the enemies of Ukrainians and Russians seized power in Kiev. That's the problem. And these bastards are trying to quarrel two fraternal branches of the same people.
  2. jjj
    jjj 3 March 2014 12: 27
    +8
    They run away, and who will protect their people from fascist evil spirits?
    1. HAM
      HAM 3 March 2014 12: 34
      +1
      I think you are wrong, in Ukraine there is someone to stand up for (I cannot find the right word, the words "people", "Ukraine" are too hackneyed), their children and parents.
      1. jjj
        jjj 3 March 2014 12: 54
        +7
        Take out the family - yes. But healthy men must be in the militia in order to liberate their homeland with their actions. But it turns out that Russians should release from Russia. Which can then again be called invaders
    2. Papakiko
      Papakiko 3 March 2014 14: 11
      +2
      Quote: jjj
      Run away

      Ostriches.
      So far .. in the warmth we were not particularly interested in them, flirting with a geyropoy and mattress. How under .. the scoop started to warm up immediately, running from there.
      Why not to the New Land or to Taimyr?
      And in this case, we also probably need to run away from the problems created by our "partners" and "relatives"?
      Or get up to his full height with his head held high and meet all this rabid multi-colored army?
  3. ed65b
    ed65b 3 March 2014 12: 31
    +11
    happy that qualified, educated close spirits and mentality brothers come to us. It is necessary to welcome and in every possible way help them settle down in Russia, as well as to focus on Russian people living in the republics of the Soviet Union, and to simplify their entry and obtaining passports and citizenship of the Russian Federation. Well, then give up gastric and introduce a visa regime in CA.
    1. Duke
      Duke 3 March 2014 12: 48
      +1
      Eduard, I completely agree with you, especially who has families here.
  4. Hort
    Hort 3 March 2014 12: 44
    +3
    albeit a little cynical, but such refugees need to be helped in every possible way to relocate to Siberia and the Far East. Better let the brothers live there than the Chinese will climb.
    Now, if our president had abandoned the idea of ​​holding the World Cup in football and the funds allocated for this would be spent on the construction of new cities in the Far East and Siberia, I would probably become his ardent supporter
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 3 March 2014 12: 51
      +2
      under the guise of mass events and so rebuild the infrastructure in cities (roads, sidewalks, etc.), the Universiade after the World Cup in football will be in Russia. In my opinion in Krasnoyarsk. - Consider there will be another clean and fresh city - in addition to Sochi, Kazan, Vladivostok, Grozny and so on.

      It is not necessary to build new cities - but already standing to equip. The devastation is over, the time to clean and bring beauty and gloss.

      Each of us wants to live in a beautiful city, walk on neat curbs and ride on smooth roads. The treasury in the country is full. I think everything is achievable.
      1. Hort
        Hort 3 March 2014 13: 58
        0
        necessary and still as it should. The construction of new settlements will contribute to the settlement of territories and reduce the temptations to occupy these territories with their immediate neighbors.
        Nobody says that existing ones don’t need to be improved and improved, but new ones are needed
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  5. ikken
    ikken 3 March 2014 12: 46
    +1
    By the way, about the combat effectiveness of the Ukrainian army
    Tank troops of UkraineTank troops of Ukraine

    http://zapret-no.livejournal.com/25893.html
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 3 March 2014 14: 28
      0
      This is the Kharkov Steam Locomotive Plant, the site of modeonization and / or disposal.
  6. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 3 March 2014 12: 49
    +4
    Those who travel do not want to die under the false appeals of the Right Sector and the Fatherland. They do not want to be pawns and meat in the brewing war of the west and east of Ukraine.
    For whom will those who mobilized fight? For Yarosh? Yatsenyuk? The elderly?
    You, those who came to the military registration and enlistment offices of Kiev and the West, ask yourself: Who am I fighting for? FOR UKRAINE? or for the right sector? Sector members will not climb under bullets and shells. They will be in detachments.
    And what ideology are you going to fight?
    Like this: "Beat the Russians. They want to seize Ukraine. Let's liberate the Crimea and the east!" Well, if with such, then it is understandable, then in battle there will be a quick reassessment of your stereotypes and you will not want to fight.
    Or something like this: "FOR the nezalezhnaya Ridna Ukraine. For Batkivshchyna. FOR Stepan Bandera's pryntsyp!" It is also understandable - you want to pour out the accumulated nerves and anger on others in any way, and then emptiness will come and among the corpses you will become either crazy or even more embittered - the war breaks the beliefs and the meaning of life.
    Or this: "For Ukraine in the European Union. For freedom and for non-profitability!" Then remember in battle who remained behind you and what will happen to your property and family if you are taken prisoner. If you get caught by the Russians or the Easterners, the Sector will not approve and declare you a traitor.
  7. Stiletto
    Stiletto 3 March 2014 12: 50
    +4
    Quote: hort
    Though a little cynical, but such refugees need to be helped in every way in resettlement to Siberia and the Far East.


    I support, but with a little clarification: without a touch of cynicism, really: Siberia and the Far East are the pearls of Russia. It does not mean "link", "hard labor", "felling the forest", etc.
    It seems that in the center of Russia, for example, here, in the Tver region, brothers from Ukraine will be happy.
    1. smart ass
      smart ass 3 March 2014 14: 33
      +1
      I live in N. Tagil, in Moscow hr .. n expel ..
    2. avg
      avg 3 March 2014 15: 16
      +1
      Quote: Stiletto
      Siberia and the Far East are the pearls of Russia.

      That's for sure. The one who happened to travel across Siberia and the Far East cannot but love this land.
  8. smith7
    smith7 3 March 2014 12: 59
    +2
    The whole question is "essentially" in the choice of the people of Ukraine, in the legality of the government in principle. Until it settles down, the reservists also have questions: "Who and for what mobilize us to fight with whom?"
  9. Shefango
    Shefango 3 March 2014 13: 05
    +3
    The site is becoming inaccessible from Ukraine. Or an influx of readers :)
    If we win the information war, then we will avoid fratricidal.
  10. moremansf
    moremansf 3 March 2014 13: 42
    +1
    Just tired of this mess ... people want to live in peace ...
    According to the FMS of the Russian Federation, over the past 2 weeks, 143 thousands of Ukrainians entered Russia ...
    1. ulis83
      ulis83 4 March 2014 11: 21
      0
      Look how Channel One showed the lines on the Ukrainian-Russian borders with a plot from the Ukrainian-Polish border

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y80B7Cni5p4
  11. Slevinst
    Slevinst 3 March 2014 13: 43
    +1
    He argued with his wife yesterday if we had such a situation, leaving the country to devour nonhumans or staying and protecting, you can’t run forever, you have to fight evil here and now, the family is a serious reason for the child to escape, they are more important of course, but if will you run away in what world then your child will grow up
  12. Arkan
    Arkan 3 March 2014 14: 29
    0
    Who will save my homeland? Ah, I'm on the run so far ...........
  13. Gronsky
    Gronsky 3 March 2014 14: 50
    +1
    Want to laugh with tears in your eyes. Here you are: http://lenta.ru/news/2014/03/03/lviv/
    As the saying goes, "well, it’s better to shoot yourself right away."
  14. alex shnajder
    alex shnajder 3 March 2014 15: 02
    +3
    all such heroes, but there is a nuance, if hostilities begin, my wife and I will also go to another country, I do not want to kill Russians, I myself have lived in Russia for 15 years, I live in Kiev right now, and let Pan Yarosh fight, until I observe echelons of the right sector on the road to the Crimea.
    why normal people should die .... let the marginal naked asses revolutionaries die.
  15. konvalval
    konvalval 3 March 2014 19: 29
    +1
    Quote: ulis83
    Guys, please tell me: Do you really believe that the Nazis are in power in Ukraine now, and the mythical "brown plague" is rolling in the country? Believe me, this is absolutely not the case. Come, take a look, talk to people, and only then draw conclusions.

    Understand that now there is a full-blown information war, and on both sides. You (in Russia) are told one thing, to us (in Ukraine) - another. It is only less objective to judge the situation in a country only while inside this same country. So, I can confidently say that there is no fascist threat in Ukraine.

    You did not see how they vote in the Parliament? But Sashka beaten and Yarosh, too, do not show you? Come to Russia and they will show you everything.
  16. kelevra
    kelevra 3 March 2014 22: 21
    0
    With a head guy!
  17. bars280
    bars280 4 March 2014 08: 08
    0
    I live in Komsomolsk on Amur (Russian), my aunt Ukrainian lives with her son near Kiev. So she calls us and cries, tells that in their house all the windows on the ground floor were knocked out, they are generally afraid to go out. Now they want to come to us. And do not say that the Russian occupiers. We have half of Ukraine’s relatives.