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Ukrainian Armed Forces will be swept away when trying to seize the Crimea

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The situation in Ukraine could escalate into a large-scale war if the new regime that seized power in Kiev attempts to force the capture of Crimea. In this scenario, Ukraine can wait a very sad fate.

First you need to figure out what the forces are still in the Crimea, and what the current Ukrainian authorities currently have. As for the Crimea, the media receives very contradictory information - if you are guided by the words of officials from Kiev, then there are already more than 6 thousands of Russian soldiers in the Crimea. However, it is not yet possible to confirm this information. One can be sure that the BRT-80 convoy arriving in Simferopol and near 20 attack helicopters that flew to the Crimea (the video shows that these are Mi-35 shock and transport Mi-8). Regarding the information about the arrival of the 13 airborne IL-76 with paratroopers - this information is also not yet confirmed.

At the moment, the Russian Federation has the opportunity to deploy up to 25 thousand military personnel in Crimea - such is the quota for the Black Sea based there fleet RF In fact, the entire contingent is 16 thousand (of which 2 thousand marines). So, even if the information about the transfer of 6 thousand Russian military is correct, then officially no agreements have been violated. In addition, the Russian Federation has the right to deploy in Crimea up to 24 large-caliber artillery systems and 132 units of armored vehicles and 22 units aviation. The abovementioned troops are significantly superior in number and equipment to the Ukrainian troops stationed in the Crimea.

From the above, it can be concluded that, without violating any agreements, the Russian Federation can protect the Crimea with more than 11 by thousands of soldiers - 2 thousands of marines of the Black Sea Fleet and 9 thousands of additionally deployed soldiers (airborne or Special Forces). You can also transfer 24 MSTA-S self-propelled artillery mounts or a number of Smerch multiple launch rocket systems. On the spot, there are 20 Su-24 front-line bombers.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine can try to carry out a lightning military operation and try to take control of the Crimea. However, even if they can organize and dispatch half of their army (which seems rather difficult, given the chaos prevailing in the country), the success of this event will tend to zero.

Suppose that the Ukrainian Armed Forces send 40000 people to the war for the Crimea, 500 tanks etc. as part of the ground forces and try to provide them with support for their Air Force (20 Su-27, 80 MiG-29, 36 Su-24, 36 Su-25). Once again, we note that this alignment is practically impossible, if only because a significant part of the equipment is on paper, but is not capable of fighting in fact (this is especially true for aviation). But even with such an optimistic variant for Ukraine, the troops will fail, as it will not be possible to quickly overcome the very narrow Perekop Isthmus (connects the peninsula with the mainland and has a width of only 7 km). Those 11 well-trained soldiers will be quite enough to keep him, especially given the powerful artillery support they can provide with the ships of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy and modern aviation, which is already fully operational at the airfields of the Western and Central military districts of the Russian Federation.

Most likely, very soon after the grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine receives such a tough rebuff, it will simply fall apart and turn into a disorderly retreat, with a significant part of the officers generally moving to the side of the Russian Federation, since the Russians from Eastern Ukraine also serve in the army.

Further events can develop in different ways - taking advantage of the situation, the RF Armed Forces can go further and try to establish control over Eastern Ukraine - there should be no problems, given the high level of Russia's popularity in the eastern regions. In this situation, the newly minted authorities in Kiev have every chance of falling in front of even more radical groups of people. However, the positive point of such a scenario is that the probability of a civil war is minimal, and the question of Eastern and Western Ukraine can be resolved once and for all.

In another version, the Russian Federation may simply limit control over the Crimea. Then a real civil war could flare up in Ukraine. Scattered and combat-armed units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will greatly contribute to this. Most likely, everything will start with the fact that radical forces will go from Kiev to “bring order” to the East. In the conditions of chaos arising from the hostilities, heavy weapons from combat units will easily fall into their hands, in addition, many servicemen from Western cities may join them. Given the huge arsenals, which, although well and decently stolen and sold out over the 20 years of independence, they will be enough to cause irreparable damage to the state and kill many people. The outcome of such a scenario is absolutely unpredictable - the only thing that is clear is that the Ukrainians, in any case, will be the losing party.

So it remains only to hope for the prudence of the Kiev authorities, the best solution for which would be to give the population of Crimea to decide for themselves about their future without interfering with the planned referendum. Instead of empty threats and tantrums, the leadership would have to think about the reasons for the situation. Is there something surprising in the fact that this will be the reaction to the fact that the first laws of the new government will be anti-Russian? Since the country's authorities do not want to reckon with the opinion of a significant part of the population of their own country, these people will have to think and manage their own future.
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  1. Hs487
    Hs487 3 March 2014 09: 22
    +32
    So all that remains is to hope for the prudence of the Kiev authorities, the best solution for which would be to let the people of Crimea decide their own future without interfering with the planned referendum. Instead of empty threats and tantrums, management should think about the reasons for the situation.

    That’s what, and there’s little hope for the prudence of the Natsiks who seized power in Kiev. Moreover, I fear that they are interested in bloodshed, realizing that the West will take their side in any situation. And he will accuse Russia of aggression.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 March 2014 13: 04
      +9
      I put the minus to this analyst with his assumptions.
      1. Canep
        Canep 3 March 2014 13: 15
        +56
        Suppose that the Ukrainian Armed Forces send 40000 people, 500 tanks, etc. to the war for the Crimea. as part of the ground forces and try to provide them with support for their Air Force (20 Su-27, 80 MiG-29, 36 Su-24, 36 Su-25).
        Bullshit - half of the demoralized army !? They will have losses on the march will be up to 30% l / s - deserters. Another third will simply not fight, and the rest looking at all this will simply go over to the side of Russia. I think such a forecast is more accurate. Only banderlogs will really fight, because they have already gotten dirty in the blood and, if normalized, the prison shines on them.
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        2. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 3 March 2014 14: 14
          +25
          hi
          Yesterday I was summoned to the draft board in the so-called. K (command) 378 - i.e. reserve personnel who are called upon to equip military commissariats to the wartime states and organize mobilization of human and transport resources in the accountable territories.
          Charges are organized (on the basis of the military registration and enlistment office) for a period of 10 days — arrival at 08.00, from 13.00 to 14.00 a break and at 17.00 at home.
          True, I, it seems, managed to convince the command to regret and not attract the old man to these horror stories and let him go to his old woman, on the stove.
          Yes, NO any storerooms of other categories (I mean the deployment of the reinforcement apparatus and the manning of troops) WAS NOT CALLED.
          By the way, the people arrived in an organized manner, but then, some who were not aware of the importance of the moment, purely because of their personal indiscipline (but not because of fear of future events) “faded”.
          Different people have arrived -
          - one person liable for duty arrived with his mother (!), shook his rights, in the sense that he did not have time to deal with any “garbage” and that he could leave at any moment, as a free citizen of an independent country, at his discretion, and his mother all the time demanded 100% guarantee that his son would not immediately be sent to the front ...
          - there were several more 50-year-old volunteers who were eager to urgently join the Armed Forces of Ukraine "to protect Ukraine from Russian aggression" ...
          How many people - there are so many opinions and it’s absolutely useless to dissuade someone of the wrongness of their opinions, everything immediately goes into the OP (from the word yelling is the best argument in the absence or lack of arguments) - everyone has the right to his own truth.
          Here is a situevina, brothers, Slavs and not only ...
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 3 March 2014 14: 57
            +4
            Looks like not everyone in Ukraine started moving! One thing for 200g. to ride on the Maidan (who does not ride ....), and another thing is against him (Mos-la) with a rush to go! Scary !!! You can get on the arrogant red face!
            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 3 March 2014 15: 23
              +7
              hi
              I am "FOR" healthy optimism, but I think that it is not worth engaging in hats - it never led to anything good - after all, there are other not LESS OPTIMIST opinions and there are a lot of them ...
        3. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 3 March 2014 14: 20
          +9
          After the announcement of total mobilization, conscripts in them are fleeing not to the military registration and enlistment office, but to Russia.
          In fact, the current zapadents will be in the bay, the military understands too well that to fight with the army is not Molotov’s cocktails to throw into an unarmed golden eagle here the answer will be clear and extremely unpleasant.
        4. bif
          bif 3 March 2014 14: 51
          +8
          Banderogs have already tried - to take the Supreme Council in Crimea by storm at night, they got "a Zapatka"! Further the forecast is only like this
          1. Lyapis
            Lyapis 3 March 2014 15: 05
            +14
            Banderlog can be understood, dealing with the military, this is not at all the same as beating an unrequited golden eagle and yelling their slogans on the Maidan, here they can shoot ...
            By the way, at the expense of slogans, there is a great way to troll benders ...
      2. Genry
        Genry 3 March 2014 13: 16
        +10
        Also set a minus.
        He has too much good opinion about the current, shuffled leadership of the Ukrainian army.
        1. combat36
          combat36 3 March 2014 14: 00
          +2
          and where does this guide? soldier Is it going to attack? soldier
      3. Ascetic
        Ascetic 3 March 2014 13: 22
        +12
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I put the minus to this analyst with his assumptions.


        Creepy nonsense! In Crimea, enough holding limited military operation and the maximum that is possible there low intensity military conflict(and that when escalating from the outside using the partisan underground). Even not a local war, as was the case with South Ossetia. All this is stated in Military doctrine of the Russian Federationwith which a military analyst at least needs to have an idea before writing nonsense.
        mattresses in such conflicts do not use the army at all. They have PMCs for this (Iraq is an example of this kind of conflict today). We do not have PMCs, so we have to use the Armed Forces.
        1. zardoz
          zardoz 3 March 2014 15: 18
          +1
          Well, schA polite uncles in the Crimea probably have PMCs :)
      4. Uncle
        Uncle 3 March 2014 13: 25
        +10
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I put the minus to this analyst with his assumptions.

        Right now, everyone who is not too lazy to write is called analysts, experts and political scientists. The site is full of sensible people, but no one crawls into analytics, apparently ANALitik is associated with something bad. smile
        1. soaring
          soaring 3 March 2014 14: 02
          0
          good drinks + + + + + + + + + +
      5. Altona
        Altona 3 March 2014 13: 27
        +13
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I put the minus to this analyst with his assumptions.

        -------------------------------
        He hypothetically decomposed the most ideal situation for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, without taking into account the moral and volitional component ... And on the "heroic" video posted on Ukrainian resources, where our special forces politely asked the Ukrainian underground like (I did not remember the rank) to surrender weapons and cartridges he resisted to the last, but as I understand it, not for Ukraine, but for reporting on the warehouse ... Ours got tired of bickering and they left ... Moreover, turning its warehouse into ruins is enough for a shot from an RPG ... But the Svidomo went into hysterics from such a crap on all resources ...
        And as regards general maneuvers of the Ukrainian army, it will be destroyed even on the march when approaching the positions, or rather, it can be destroyed even on the march without engaging in a clash with the personnel of the Russian Armed Forces ... There is an extensive arsenal of surveillance tools for both space and air. ..
        And keep in mind that the territory of Ukraine is for the most part an open area, you will not hide much ... But in the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces this is most likely unknown ...
        1. Bagatur
          Bagatur 3 March 2014 16: 25
          +1
          For maydanchiki and their sponsors from the USA and the EU, military specialty is not important .. it is hardly possible! Important shelter spilled ... forever disgrace Ukrainians and Russians! This is where the dog is littered ..
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      7. edeligor
        edeligor 3 March 2014 13: 42
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I put the minus to this analyst with his assumptions.

        Quite the same. An article from the series - "A bush is a collection of twigs and leaves" Ukraine, at the moment, is such a complex conglomeration of currents and influences that the situation can change from a change in the "breeze". You will not envy VVP ... we can only hope for its experience and the KGB past, in the good sense of the word.
      8. Flooding
        Flooding 3 March 2014 13: 43
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I put the minus to this analyst with his assumptions.

        So it’s not just me cheekbones ...
      9. RUSS
        RUSS 3 March 2014 13: 58
        +3
        The author is not a military analyst, but a "schoolboy" or a developer of computer games and strategies for mobile devices.
        1. Altona
          Altona 3 March 2014 14: 10
          +6
          Quote: RUSS
          The author is not a military analyst, but a "schoolboy" or a developer of computer games and strategies for mobile devices.

          -----------------------------
          That's okay ... "Commander-in-Chief" Turchinov is generally a Protestant pastor, but he controls the troops and gives orders ... recourse
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      10. Cynic
        Cynic 3 March 2014 18: 02
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Minus I put this analyst

        More precisely GORET analytics, at best. Similarly, put a minus.
        In my opinion, everyone who even considers publicly such scenarios are, at best, a short-sighted person, at worst a provocateur.
        Ukrainians feeling the support of Russia in the forces themselves to decide their fate and Ukraine!
        drinks
        1. korotkov2033
          korotkov2033 3 March 2014 18: 43
          0
          I think it will not come to a clash of two armies, there will be an ordinary guerrilla-terrorist war in eastern Ukraine and the nearest regions of Russia, this is a terrible thing.
    2. smel
      smel 3 March 2014 13: 12
      +21
      I wonder why the prudent McCain and the terrible horse of the European Union have not yet come to support the "Crimean separatists" and give them buns. Apparently they are afraid that they themselves will be ground into minced meat.
      1. PValery53
        PValery53 3 March 2014 22: 49
        0
        For the "terrible horse of the European Union" to you from Britain, a categorical "thank you"! Catherine Ashton will be "happy"!
    3. zanoza
      zanoza 3 March 2014 13: 21
      +10
      Quote: Hs487
      ... realizing that the west will take their side in any situation. And he will accuse Russia of aggression.


      The announcement of mobilization in Ukraine, the movement of military units towards Crimea in the West do not cause "concern and concern." This is not surprising - double standarts. Hands turned to the lawful president just for thoughts about the involvement of the Armed Forces to establish constitutional order, and then the cry: "In the gun!" - already in action. And to the people of Crimea denied the right to defend themselves from the unconstitutional actions of the current Kiev clique, from the machinations of nationalists and banderlogs.
      Therefore, the truth behind the Crimea and the outstretched "hand" of help is appropriate and timely!
      1. Grenader
        Grenader 3 March 2014 15: 45
        +2
        Once again, we note that this alignment is practically impossible, if only because a significant part of the equipment is on paper, but in fact it is not able to fight
  2. Alez
    Alez 3 March 2014 13: 03
    +15
    Everything can be expected from the Maydauns, they don’t need heavy weapons, the main thing is hard drugs. The rest will come to them in hallucinogenic fantasies and a crusade, and victory and a march and a gay parade.
    1. Canep
      Canep 3 March 2014 13: 22
      +3
      Quote: Alez
      they need hard drugs
      Great idea!!! through Kadyrov’s old connections (if they exist, of course) or the mafia to plant an installment of cheap heroin for them. Let them stick out.
      1. soaring
        soaring 3 March 2014 14: 08
        +2
        lol wassat yes .... the warriors will be cool ... with the pupils, after the bounce, they will not even be able to aim wassat ... I agree, let them stick around, even on drugs, even on aspen coke! good
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv 3 March 2014 14: 21
          +5
          So they poured West all garbage on Maidan into the cauldrons. A friend of mine, Berkutovets, said that all the riffraff was stoned to death, look at them, they beat them, and they don’t feel fuckers and they don’t understand their squirrel.
          1. Commander
            Commander 3 March 2014 16: 19
            0
            That's for sure!! A woman friend said: one grandmother earned $ 2000 on the Maidan, but fell ill and went to the clinic. They took tests - it turned out that she became a drug addict !!! Poured into tea and vodka, into soup. Now let them be treated.
      2. dr.star75
        dr.star75 3 March 2014 15: 10
        +1
        Yeah, then abandon and tie our FSKN with the support of the Armed Forces! And tell the intermediaries the euro: are you dear people are not marketers by accident? Well, you can further develop the topic laughing
    2. techmesh
      techmesh 3 March 2014 18: 29
      0
      Alez agrees with you, but does not seem to you that this is a bit like the Syrian scenario. The right sector, the same terrorists who are currently doing mayhem may not even sin by murders. They tried the blood. Therefore, although there is little chance, with the technical support and coordination of the actions of the Americans, France, and England, they will organize sabotage and terrorist attacks.
  3. svp67
    svp67 3 March 2014 13: 03
    +9
    Suppose that the Ukrainian Armed Forces send 40000 people, 500 tanks, etc. to the war for the Crimea. as part of the ground forces and try to provide them with support for their Air Force (20 Su-27, 80 MiG-29, 36 Su-24, 36 Su-25).
    And how will it cover the eastern and northern borders? That is, any attempt to resolve the Crimean issue by force will lead to the fact that units of "polite people" will go through the borders not covered by the troops to Kiev and Lvov, at the request of the LEGAL President of Ukraine, and with them groups of "not polite" from Kharkov and Donbass ...
    And the mobilization in Ukraine has clearly shown how much the people of this country are ready to risk their lives, and the authorities - their ability to conduct such events ...
    1. Lyapis
      Lyapis 3 March 2014 13: 07
      +35
      And how will it cover the eastern and northern borders?

      Probably, they think that "abroad will help" them. lol
      1. aleks 62
        aleks 62 3 March 2014 13: 27
        +12
        How puffed ... Wait a long time !!!! Or diapers will run ...
      2. werewolf
        werewolf 3 March 2014 14: 14
        +3
        His trip to the "OCHKA" (bowl of genoa) was filmed
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      4. Altona
        Altona 3 March 2014 15: 31
        0
        Quote: Lyapis
        Probably, they think that "abroad will help" them.

        -----------------------
        Social networks write that the PMC "Greystone Blackwater Ltd." is landing in Kiev, I don't know if it's true or a duck ...
  4. Gagarin
    Gagarin 3 March 2014 13: 05
    +38
    It seems to me that Generalissimo Turchinov understands that the term for treason is already set aside for him, in the event of hostilities he will have a tower, by the way, historically, either on Khreshchatyk or Maidan public traitors were hanged in 1945, a good tradition should not be forgotten!
    1. Canep
      Canep 3 March 2014 13: 18
      +1
      Quote: Gagarin
      traitors were publicly hanged on the Maidan in 1945, a good tradition should not be forgotten!

      "This is not our method." laughing on a zone with confiscation is quite enough in my opinion.
      1. yur
        yur 3 March 2014 14: 23
        +8
        Quote: Canep
        "This is not our method." on the zone with confiscation is quite enough in my opinion.
        And in my opinion it is NOT enough. As the example of a disabled wheelchair user with a scythe showed, you can jump out of the "zone", and after the "traditional methods of 1945" - hr ... nushki!
  5. RUS96
    RUS96 3 March 2014 13: 06
    +4
    But what kind of nonsense. If the war, then no one will not count as much as possible according to the quota, how much it is impossible. There simply WILL NOT be a war. There is no reason and no reason.
  6. uhu189
    uhu189 3 March 2014 13: 08
    +8
    Everything is now being decided not at all on the Perekop Isthmus, and not even in Kiev, but in Washington, Brussels and Moscow. Rather, most likely everything has already been decided, we just see the acts of the unfolding play in stages. And most likely there will be no war, otherwise it would have already begun a long time ago.
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 3 March 2014 14: 16
      +3
      Quote: uhu189
      Everything is now being decided not at all on the Perekop Isthmus, and not even in Kiev, but in Washington, Brussels and Moscow.

      Trumps give Moscow events on the ground, politicians operate on facts and it depends on the people how many trump cards Putin will have in the negotiations. There is no analytics, of course, but it’s right about the southeast: if Putin doesn’t plan his release, then for the southeast everything can end sadly, I won’t even fantasize about it. I hope the support of the southeast is in Putin's plans, while anarchy ...
    2. yur
      yur 3 March 2014 14: 37
      +5
      Quote: uhu189
      Everything is now being decided not at all on the Perekop Isthmus, and not even in Kiev, but in Washington, Brussels and Moscow. More likely, everything is already
      Maybe someone will be surprised, but everything is decided not in Washington, and not in Brussels, but ONLY in Moscow. I can’t say that only Putin is sure that there are a number of influential people, but the decision on the further development of the situation will be made in Moscow.
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 3 March 2014 15: 06
        +2
        Quote: yur
        Maybe someone will be surprised, but everything is decided not in Washington, and not in Brussels, but ONLY in Moscow.

        Well, if more precisely from her determination, but without the will of the people shown to the whole world, Moscow will not help. Therefore, we wish the southeast more determination of activity and, of course, good luck, and not only from Russians smile
        The current events are decisive and crucial for the whole Russian and not the Russian world, and even the war 080808 is insignificant in comparison.
  7. skifd
    skifd 3 March 2014 13: 08
    +14
    Oh, mom ... Damn, I don’t even know how to react ...:

    "NaSa wrote:
    Interesting is true or not
    Quote:
    Maxol »26 Feb 2014, 17: 32
    Estimate, but I saw the Chechens right here in Yevpatoria! Straight, real Chechens. In our yard, with a scoop, a couple of such lived. I never thought that I would ever hear their language again. And these are also hefty ones, trained. They walked first along the Teatralnaya, then after the column they moved and caught the Maydaun provocateurs. Well guys worked! It’s immediately clear that this is not the first time. No way, Kadyrov sent us help. With such guys, we and the fascists will bend.

    Message Maras »26 Feb 2014, 16: 05
    In general, if my wife and eyesight do not betray me, today in Yalta I saw a man of 15 Chechens. In vain I was looking for a guide among them - this team was nothing like a tourist group. Red beards, square hari, greyhound looks - everything is written on the Internet about these animals. I’m sitting here now and thinking: did they just come here to watch the boom or did the Tatars begin to disappear without a trace today or tomorrow in the city?

    Lamber26 »28 Feb 2014, 14: 07
    Three pumped-up Chechens came to my mother in Bakhchisarai twice, asking where our neighbors are young Tatars, where they could go, where their relatives live, whether they participate in the actions of the Mejlis. They asked for contacts. They knocked very loudly on their door, they wanted to knock it out. Really scared by their appearance. All in black, in military boots, with walkie-talkies. They turned to the district police officer, he really does not know anything about them. True, he says that a couple of similar complaints came from other areas. Now the police are trying to figure out what's what. It seems to me that from such mountaineers the Crimean Tatars will have a lot of problems. What is happening in Simferopol and Sevastopol is far away, and these strange bearded thugs can appear in any village. I'm afraid to imagine what will happen if the Chechens find those they need. Offhand they will be taken away somewhere, there will be cut off ears and fingers sent to relatives. Or even in slavery to someone will give. After all, after the Chechen war, these people are full of experience and impudence. There were no such people here before. So, indeed, they came for a good reason and with a direct targeting of the Tatars and those who help them with all the "pro-Maidan" rallies.
    http://crimean.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=119412

    The husband recently saw a group similar in description, near Novus to Borisov ... "
    1. zeleznijdorojnik
      zeleznijdorojnik 3 March 2014 13: 18
      0
      Something a little old messages, a week ago. Since then nothing has been heard about it.
      1. skifd
        skifd 3 March 2014 13: 30
        +1
        Took off today from the Sevastopol site .. request
    2. yur
      yur 3 March 2014 14: 49
      +3
      Quote: skifd
      Oh, mom ... Damn, I don’t even know how to react ...:
      Respond normally. Putin uses ALL opportunities to "coerce sanity" of those who have been zaidan and distant. The involvement of the Chechen special forces is a great move in the best traditions of the Russian Empire.
  8. Rus_87
    Rus_87 3 March 2014 13: 09
    +11
    We have survived ... we are already counting on possible scenarios in case of war with our native Ukraine ... I would have said it before, laughed in person ...
    1. Hs487
      Hs487 3 March 2014 13: 15
      +15
      Quote: Rus_87
      We survived ... we are already counting on possible scenarios in case of war with our native Ukraine ...

      Well, not with Ukraine, but with the Natsiks who illegally usurped power in Kiev.
      1. Rus_87
        Rus_87 3 March 2014 13: 17
        +7
        Quote: Hs487
        Quote: Rus_87
        We survived ... we are already counting on possible scenarios in case of war with our native Ukraine ...

        Well, not with Ukraine, but by the Natsiks who illegally usurped power in Kiev.

        I agree with you completely
  9. IRBIS
    IRBIS 3 March 2014 13: 09
    +4
    Yulia has already called for a fight against the "occupiers", i.e. with us Russians. The Kiev authorities are also not doing well with their heads. We survived ... We are considering options for a clash between the Armed Forces of Russia and Ukraine, complete insanity, which, unfortunately, can become a reality.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 3 March 2014 13: 28
      +4
      Quote: IRBIS
      Yulia has already called for a fight against the "occupiers", i.e. with us Russians.

      Julia was going on March 3 to Moscow to talk, I wonder, in whose capacity?
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 3 March 2014 14: 08
        +5
        Quote: Uncle
        Julia was going on March 3 to Moscow to talk, I wonder, in whose capacity?


        Well, I can assume our prisons will be more comfortable, Yulia should like it ...
        1. alexng
          alexng 3 March 2014 16: 22
          0
          And it won't work with simulation anymore, the horns will quickly break off "... and something else, and something else, which is not talked about, which is not taught in school."
    2. alex-s
      alex-s 3 March 2014 14: 11
      +2
      Julia, it’s felt, she’s completing! With such calls, she really will spend the rest of her worthless life in a wheelchair!
  10. AVV
    AVV 3 March 2014 13: 10
    +4
    Yes, even if they want to accuse them of legitimacy themselves, 0 their people did not elect, but they came to the hands of the right sector, it surprises me. How did the right sector not dare them yet ??? Kayuk threatens them with a definite !!!
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  13. Gagarin
    Gagarin 3 March 2014 13: 13
    +4
    A small amendment, not with Ukraine but with the Nazis!
    Quote: Rus_87
    we are looking for possible scenarios in case of war with our native Ukraine
  14. rasputin17
    rasputin17 3 March 2014 13: 14
    +3
    Most likely, everything will start with the radical forces going from Kiev to "restore order" to the East.

    The situation is unpredictable! In the words of Partos, "I propose a fight" if the Banderlogists flee from Kiev to establish their order in the Crimea and eastern Ukraine !!
  15. darksoul
    darksoul 3 March 2014 13: 14
    +6
    I don’t like these options ... in the fratricidal war, both one and the second brother will lose. Bendera’s need to push. I really hope that not a drop of blood of our guys and the Ukrainian army will be shed enough courage not to submit to Bender’s gloom ..zy
  16. philip
    philip 3 March 2014 13: 15
    +6
    None of the possible scenarios of hostilities given by the author are acceptable. The West wants to pit us so that our brother would shoot at our brother. If it really happens from despair, then it will be up to Landon with a call to Berlin and Paris.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 3 March 2014 13: 17
      +3
      Roskomnadzor has blocked access to the communities of Ukrainian nationalists "VKontakte"

      MOSCOW, March 3. At the request of the General Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation, access to the communities of Ukrainian nationalist organizations on the VKontakte social network was terminated.

      Read more: http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2014/03/03/1239669.html
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 3 March 2014 14: 27
        +1
        Quote: Apollon

        MOSCOW, March 3. At the request of the General Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation, access to the communities of Ukrainian nationalist organizations on the VKontakte social network was terminated.


        In less than half a year ... (c) Why did they itch for so long?
      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. 3 March 2014 14: 34
        +1
        Quote: Apollon
        Roskomnadzor has blocked access to the communities of Ukrainian nationalists "VKontakte"

        Partially, one checked blocked (Відплата Майданhttp: //vk.com/maidan_vozmezdie) and the second -
        RIGHT SECTOR
        official page
        http://vk.com/public62043361
        and it is not necessary to look for it; it is not disguised - it acts.
        And blocked with a strange pretext-
        We found suspicious activity on the Vidplata page and temporarily froze it in order to wrest it from the hands of intruders.

        If you have the opportunity to contact Vidplata, inform him that his page is safe, but needs defrosting
  17. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 3 March 2014 13: 17
    +2
    I would like this "anal - itik" (nersesyan - Moscow), just kick "soup", whatever he is clever, on account of the war between Ukraine and Russia, no matter how many and what weapons we have, we will not fight against each other and there is no need to be smart on this topic, especially to Nersesyan. You need to have conscience and tact, and site administrators should not miss such articles - even hypothetically allowing a military conflict between fraternal peoples.
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 3 March 2014 13: 44
      +2
      Quote: cherkas.oe
      and site administrators should not miss such articles - even hypothetically allowing a military conflict between fraternal peoples.

      Yes, to me, your minuses (the minuser is quiet, but slightly authoritative), I always wrote on the drum and I will write what I think, but at least you erase your fingers about the minuses. tongue
    2. yur
      yur 3 March 2014 15: 01
      +2
      Quote: cherkas.oe
      site administrators should not miss such articles - even hypothetically allowing a military conflict between fraternal peoples
      And what - bury your head in the sand? Someone three weeks ago suggested that the Nazis would come to power in Kiev? War? War, God forbid, and I pray the Lord that this never happens, but you must be prepared for everything and consider all versions (no matter how it hurts).
  18. VADEL
    VADEL 3 March 2014 13: 18
    +3
    But even with such an optimistic version for Ukraine, the troops will fail

    Not for Ukraine, but for the Nazi Government of Kiev.
  19. Sma11
    Sma11 3 March 2014 13: 19
    +3
    The command of the Armed Forces of Russia continues to transfer troops to the territory of Ukraine, TSN was informed by the representative of Ukraine to the UN, Yuri Sergeyev.
    According to correspondents, from yesterday in the Crimea there are already more than 15 thousand Russian troops and about 50 pieces of equipment, among which there are armored vehicles and armored personnel carriers.
  20. Bigriver
    Bigriver 3 March 2014 13: 21
    +4
    Delusional article.
    I can argue that from the side of Ukraine it will not even reach concentration and deployment.
    1. bigELDAK
      bigELDAK 3 March 2014 13: 56
      -3
      set +, but do not forget that Ukraine has a lot of experience in guerrilla warfare, especially una unso over the past 25 years - terrorist acts, looting, raids will give way to power, the situation is far from being resolved.
  21. Duke
    Duke 3 March 2014 13: 21
    +5
    Armed forces of Ukraine
    Ground forces number 57 people (000 tank brigades, 4 mechanized brigades, 15 airborne brigades, 3 airborne brigade, 1 artillery brigades, 15 missile brigades, 2 airmobile regiment and various support units).
    In 2012, the Ukrainian Air Force included up to 40 thousand people; there were 160 combat and 25 transport aircraft in service.
    The Ukrainian Navy includes 30 thousand people (36 warships, 18 anti-submarine helicopters, 14 anti-submarine combat aircraft).
    Everything is in extremely poor condition.
    This is even before the split in the Crimea.
  22. vsdvs
    vsdvs 3 March 2014 13: 24
    0
    We do not expect, we guess. Other people are counting and, judging by what we see, they calculated not today, and not only tomorrow.
  23. densh
    densh 3 March 2014 13: 25
    +6
    If an attempt to invade Crimea by a regular Ukrainian army is carried out, then its main task, rather, will be to create an excuse for bringing NATO "peacekeepers" into the country, rather than a military victory over Crimea. shout "and will be the main consequence of the" invasion ".
    Well, lastly:
    30 crews of the Ukrainian Air Force went over to the side of the Crimean Autonomy. The military pilots, who were formerly part of the Ukrainian Air Force, announced their transition to the side of the Crimean people with their combat vehicles.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 3 March 2014 13: 40
      +3
      Quote: densh
      .... the main task, rather, will be to create a pretext for bringing NATO "peacekeepers" into the country, and not a military victory over Crimea ...

      Without the UN Security Council, this is impossible. And the Security Council’s decision is ALREADY preventively blocked by China.
      1. densh
        densh 3 March 2014 13: 48
        +3
        Quote: BigRiver
        Without the UN Security Council, this is impossible.

        Do not be so naive, as if recently the West has been reckoned with the UN. The main thing is the excuse, and what it will be, it doesn’t matter.
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 3 March 2014 13: 54
          +2
          Quote: densh
          ... Do not be so naive ....

          Do not be so unobservable.
          It was the blocking of Security Council decisions by Russia and China that held back aggression in Syria for two years.
          1. densh
            densh 3 March 2014 14: 07
            0
            Quote: BigRiver
            Do not be so unobservable.

            So the invasion can do without the UN under the auspices of, say, the European Union or NATO. Whether the UN helped Libya or Yugoslavia a lot.
  24. aleks-konst
    aleks-konst 3 March 2014 13: 26
    0
    One question about the benefits in the air. And we are able to withstand our S-300s, there are several dozen of these complexes in Ukraine.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 3 March 2014 13: 53
      +2
      And we are able to withstand our S-300s, there are several dozen of these complexes in Ukraine.

      Something I doubt that the air defense officers will sit at the control panels. There, people are adequate. In addition, the special forces of the Russian Federation are already located on the territory of Ukraine, and similar goals should already be under the gun.
  25. andrei332809
    andrei332809 3 March 2014 13: 27
    +1
    So all that remains is to hope for the prudence of the Kiev authorities,

    let’s speak directly, the prudence of Nata, pindos and frogs. but since these "players" are absolutely not sorry for human "chips", it can turn into anything. I hope that our leaders will not give slack under the onslaught of all the world's "defenders of rights and freedoms"
  26. Gagarin
    Gagarin 3 March 2014 13: 28
    +22
    At the risk of running into a massive minus, I’ll still say.
    A famous Russian proverb says - There was no happiness but misfortune helped!
    I can’t even imagine how it would be possible to return to Russia its original lands of Donbass and Crimea, but the Maidan appeared here.
    1. shibi
      shibi 3 March 2014 13: 42
      +1
      So this is Putin’s tricks! )))
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 3 March 2014 13: 56
      +4
      Not yet returned. And there is doubt that they will return. Showdowns are ripening, maybe even a couple of shots from the tank will be made, but before the territories of Ukraine join Russia ... very far away, too complicated question.
      1. densh
        densh 3 March 2014 14: 11
        +2
        Quote: Wedmak
        And there is doubt that they will return.

        Well, Crimea can still follow the pattern of South Ossetia, but Donbass seems to be merged this time (but I don’t want to believe in it).
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 3 March 2014 14: 26
          +2
          but Donbass, it seems, will be merged this time (but I do not want to believe in it).

          Why merge? The point is not that it is possible or not possible, we want or do not want. If we join Crimea to Russia, even with his consent, bandits in Kiev may well unleash terror there for 10 years ahead. They are quite capable of it. They will also help from the west. If we connect the whole South and East, we will get (legally) annexation of the territory of the neighboring state by actually force. Although the same Yanukovych, although a rag, is against it. And again, we’ll get such a hot spot on the side that Chechnya seems like an easy walk.
          The best solution, in the event of the division of Ukraine, is to leave the autonomous states / republics / regions. Perhaps under the protectorate of Russia. But it is even better that Ukraine does not split up, and the bandits are kicked out by their own. Especially distinguished can be in the next world.
          1. densh
            densh 3 March 2014 17: 22
            +2
            Quote: Wedmak
            The point is not that it is possible or not possible, we want or do not want.

            I’ll say right away that we want to join Russia. The question is whether Russia will be able to help Crimea and the Donbass and Odessa. I’m afraid not. And Crimea remains at the moment the most convenient region for control. expansion of potentially friendly territories. And of course, support for pro-Russian parties in the Southeast needs not only finances but also advisers and instructors, not excluding the training of party activists in Russia.
    3. densh
      densh 3 March 2014 13: 58
      +3
      Quote: Gagarin
      At the risk of running into a massive minus, I’ll still say.

      And here's a plus for you, not a minus, and do not hope. I think so too. And my opinion is that Russia should not reduce the pressure before the fluttering of the Kiev rooster and the threats of Western "friends". In the end,the winner is not judged.
    4. Doznanied
      Doznanied 3 March 2014 14: 11
      +1
      Yes, say it right.
  27. ssf2257
    ssf2257 3 March 2014 13: 28
    0
    The new "power" seems to begin to turn on the "brains" on the instinct of self-preservation, that is, boys, nix! And all this organized criminal group will RUN IN SPRAY!
  28. individual
    individual 3 March 2014 13: 30
    +1
    In Kiev, the Nazis conducted their coup.
    In response, the Russians in Ukraine are making their revolution.
  29. moremansf
    moremansf 3 March 2014 13: 31
    +4
    The first act that can give an impression of Ukraine’s ability to wage war was observed: Saturday’s attempt to use an airmobile brigade in Dnepropetrovsk to return Crimea to its control. As a result, out of the entire brigade — and this is no less than 1500 people — there were only six Ural trucks with fighters, of which one was detained by the Dnepropetrovsk police, and five disappeared in the space between Dnepropetrovsk and Perekop.
  30. Andrey123
    Andrey123 3 March 2014 13: 31
    -4
    Brothers, in our busy times, let us not make radical statements and actions. The Russian and Ukrainian people have always been united. And it cannot be otherwise, because one blood flows in our veins! I have many friends and relatives in Russia. Most of you also have friends and relatives in Ukraine. Most of all, I do not like it when peoples clash their heads over 2-3 subjects who can also make mistakes! And for the sake of them we will risk our loved ones, for their sake we will not sleep peacefully and poison at each other. Everyone carries out their orders and cannot refuse to execute them, since it is no longer clear which order is legal. Let's condemn the actions not of each other, but of the subjects whose orders we obey. Believe me, people in Ukraine are tired of cynicism, lies, theft, corruption, injustice, poverty. All Ukrainian people want only one thing - Peace and justice. Only because of this, uprisings began. And it doesn't matter who started them and who is "at the helm" now. The main thing is that the people want change and do not want to be gagged. I agree that there should be order in everything (but how to overthrow the dictatorship, which is rooted in all the branches and structures of the country), I agree that you cannot invade someone else's territory, no matter who it belongs to (but there are orders that the military cannot help but execute). But we must be honest with ourselves and each other, appreciate each other, make the right decisions (not based on media lies and unverified information) and take care of our families. Now is not the time of wars, now is the time for changes for a better life for all people. There will never be a common understanding, since everyone will always have their own opinion. But you always need to make decisions and draw conclusions that are honest before your own conscience, and not before political intrigues and games. Regardless of whoever writes and speaks, the Ukrainian people have always loved, love and will love the Russian people, have never infringed on the rights of Russians on their territory and cannot even imagine a war with their brothers! What is happening now in Crimea and some other regions of Ukraine is an outright sabotage, since those who provoke it have no identification marks. I am sure that Russian soldiers will not hide under impersonal camouflage. This is all a game of subjects with paid puppets. I don't want their games to cripple all of us. Everyone should sort out his "swamp" himself, without weapons, humiliation and encroachment on the territory of other states, but in a normal civilized way. Now everything is very difficult and there are a lot of influences, nationalities, interests, principles, etc., but we all must have restraint, not to make hasty and wrong decisions, for which we will be ashamed later, but to try to collect this multifaceted Rubik's cube and not become participants in the game. PEACE!!!
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 3 March 2014 13: 45
      +6
      Quote: Andrey123
      And it doesn't matter who started them and who is "at the helm"

      right here, namesake, you are absolutely wrong!
      1. Andrey123
        Andrey123 3 March 2014 14: 16
        0
        Andrei, I just wanted to write that the people did not follow the personalities of those who started or who became at the helm (they appeared later, and they have a temporary helm, they themselves say this more than once), but went against further corruption , lies, theft, dictatorship, monarchy, etc. No one is against the expensive residences of the Presidents (if the country's budget allows), but only they should be in state ownership and not appropriated. Understand only me correctly, the people just got sick, and there wasn’t and there was no interethnic hatred or regional sign, people just lived, was afraid and waited for a push. The goal was only this - to overthrow the dictatorial regime. God forbid that everyone would draw conclusions from this and not repeat the mistakes of the previous government. After all, the people will not tolerate this again.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 3 March 2014 15: 12
          +1
          Quote: Andrey123
          I just wanted to write that the people did not follow the personalities of those who started or who became at the helm (they appeared later, and they have a temporary helm, they themselves say this more than once), but went against further corruption, lies , theft, dictatorship, monarchy, etc.

          Once again for those who are stunned by the Maidan slogans and junta propaganda, for those who are not able to independently add two and two.
          Sooner or later, the times of trials come, it was and it will be so.
          When everyone must choose one of two sides: good or evil.
          All. The rest is from the evil one.
          Evil is hypocritical and multifaceted. It hides behind the masks of notorious values ​​and double morality. If you cannot recognize him, you will be his victim and performer.
        2. Aleksandr65
          Aleksandr65 3 March 2014 23: 11
          0
          Well, why are you fooling around? Before Yanukovych refused, no one stood on the Maidan and did not want to overthrow him. And right after that, they suddenly wanted to? By the way, what about the residence of Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, and others. Akhmetovs — conducted audits, excursions, requisitions? Not? What’s so? Ahhh, these are good oligarchs, in your board, everyone has earned on garlic! What can I say ...
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 3 March 2014 13: 54
      +5
      Quote: Andrey123
      Believe me, people in Ukraine are tired of cynicism, lies, theft, corruption, injustice, poverty. All Ukrainian people want only one thing - Peace and justice. Only because of this, uprisings began. And it doesn't matter who started them and who is "at the helm" now.

      Voluntarily or involuntarily, but you are the mouthpiece of the Nazi government in Kiev. Hopefully, involuntarily and thoughtlessly.
      1. Andrey123
        Andrey123 3 March 2014 14: 19
        .
        Why is the peace and justice of all now called Nazism? In Ukraine, none of other nationalities have NEVER been humiliated! EVERYTHING IN UKRAINE IS EQUAL !!! And all Ukrainians want this to continue!
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 3 March 2014 14: 37
          +4
          Excuse me, where did you see peace and justice on the Maidan? Can this coup d'état be called peaceful? Or fair?
          Yes, Yanuk stole KAMAZ there, but the guys ... just a little remained before the election, they could solve the problem in a truly peaceful way.
          And now how will you decide?
          1. Andrey123
            Andrey123 3 March 2014 15: 25
            -4
            You are right, you could. And one could wait. But they will not give it. The results of the vote are fraudulent, as everywhere is Ya. And how to honestly vote? Can you tell me?
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 3 March 2014 20: 19
              +1
              How to honestly vote? Can you tell me?

              Oh, if only I knew. However, now there is only one headache - throw a rabbit gang out of chairs in Kiev. It is desirable bloodless.
            2. Aleksandr65
              Aleksandr65 3 March 2014 23: 14
              0
              And now there will be people of another I. How can I honestly vote? Can you tell me?
        2. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 3 March 2014 15: 04
          +2
          Quote: Andrey123
          In Ukraine, none of other nationalities have NEVER been humiliated! EVERYTHING IN UKRAINE IS EQUAL !!!

          LIE !!! Here is your face:

          And there’s nothing to pretend to be a lamb! Why are the invaders in Parliament one of the first to abolish the Language Law ??? Went away from here, crawled Bandera !!!
          1. Andrey123
            Andrey123 3 March 2014 15: 39
            -3
            Do not generalize. There is no desire to rummage through the Internet and look for counterarguments of isolated cases.
            1. kare
              kare 3 March 2014 16: 22
              +1
              Ride into the pool, undead
            2. Jogan-xnumx
              Jogan-xnumx 3 March 2014 17: 13
              0
              Quote: Andrey123
              Do not generalize. There is no desire to rummage through the Internet and look for counterarguments of isolated cases.

              Go better go quietly! You will do the only useful thing. And without such nasty things as you, there really will be peace for people.
              1. Andrey123
                Andrey123 3 March 2014 18: 51
                -2
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScTD_r1hRXs
                1. zardoz
                  zardoz 3 March 2014 19: 49
                  +1
                  And what did you mean by that?
        3. Ivan.
          Ivan. 3 March 2014 15: 24
          +1
          Quote: Andrey123
          Why is the peace and justice of all now called Nazism? In Ukraine, none of other nationalities have NEVER been humiliated! EVERYTHING IN UKRAINE IS EQUAL !!! And all Ukrainians want this to continue!

          For the first time in recent years, Ukrainian nationalists walked along Khreshchatyk without any resistance. Having once contracted the PSPU, Natalya Vitrenko is in decline, and the Communist Party, which has a faction in the Verkhovna Rada and deputies with integrity, simply refused to fight.

          At this moment, in the center of Kiev, on Bogdan Khmelnitsky Street, police and SBU officers are preparing to storm the apartment, where a group of enthusiasts who have teamed up via the Internet have settled down. These people made an attempt to disrupt the nationalist march organized by the Freedom Party in honor of the anniversary of the creation of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, which fought against the Soviet system in Western Ukraine.
    3. alex-s
      alex-s 3 March 2014 14: 26
      +3
      Everyone should sort out his "swamp" himself, without weapons, humiliation and encroachment on the territory of other states, but in a normal civilized way.

      But Bendera for some reason without weapons do not want to understand! Something when Sashko Bily came with a gun in the region. executive committee, put all languages ​​in the ass!
      1. Andrey123
        Andrey123 3 March 2014 14: 30
        -4
        This does not mean that the Ukrainian people do not condemn this action (if this is all of course true, and not media distortions). Normal decisions were never made by force.
        1. alex-s
          alex-s 3 March 2014 15: 55
          0
          Normal decisions were never made by force.

          Why so. All the most significant events are either a war or its consequences.
    4. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 3 March 2014 14: 40
      +2
      Quote: Andrey123
      Only because of this, uprisings began. And it doesn't matter who started them and who is "at the helm" now.

      Go and hang this noodles on your maidan among those earcaps that are still raging there. If you don’t care who is at the helm, it’s so important to me. At the helm Fascists and criminals seized power by armed gangster coup with American support !!! There will be no peace for you !!! Such an infection only needs to be amputated, burned in the bud! Only then will there be peace for normal people, and not for such freaks who do not care about all human and divine laws, feeling their impunity. Now that the smell is fried and you have to answer for the Nazi Sabbath, they remembered about the world, you bleat that all the brothers? You are not worthy of even a kind word on your graves!
      1. Andrey123
        Andrey123 3 March 2014 15: 33
        -3
        But Thieves and Low-moral managers - these were normal mean ?! Let's find normal, I'm for. But where to find them ?! And I do not bleat about the brothers, the way it is, we are brothers. Interethnic strife is heated precisely by your statements! And how are you going to burn the infection? War? Whom against whom? And about the graves, it doesn’t matter what is written there, it is important how you appear before God and your conscience.
        1. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 3 March 2014 17: 30
          0
          Quote: Andrey123
          And how are you going to burn the infection? War? Whom against whom?

          Such as you just burn, the skins of the corrupt! Just as the "peaceful demonstrators" were burned with bottles of VVshnikov boys. Now you're grunting about peace and friendship, brother for brother ..., I remembered that the rest are people too ... But where were you before, so loyal to everyone? Or do you want to say that now there are highly moral managers? Better get out of here, Bandera muck. You will never be my brother! ONLY THE ENEMY !!! Report to your God yourself, but do not touch my conscience, remember for yours.
          1. densh
            densh 3 March 2014 17: 48
            +1
            Quote: Jogan-64
            Now you're grunting about peace and friendship, brother for brother ...

            Ivan. Drive the proletarian bolt onto 123 trolls. hi
            In such cases, I recommend presenting the following to the patient:
            1. Jogan-xnumx
              Jogan-xnumx 4 March 2014 23: 40
              +1
              Quote: densh
              Ivan. Drive the proletarian bolt onto 123 trolls.

              Is that so, although it infuriates, to be honest, this scum that pretends to be a benefactor. drinks
          2. Andrey123
            Andrey123 3 March 2014 18: 38
            -1
            http://news.bigmir.net/ukraine/779241-Berkutovcy--zhestoko-b-jut-lezhachego---no
            voe-video

            And at this time, the boys from the Internal Troops were stroking the "peaceful demonstrators" on the head.
          3. Andrey123
            Andrey123 3 March 2014 18: 43
            -2
            What is a video like? BB + mercenaries Titushka paired
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5g-SA3OU2w
          4. Andrey123
            Andrey123 3 March 2014 18: 50
            -2
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScTD_r1hRXs
          5. Andrey123
            Andrey123 3 March 2014 18: 52
            -1
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScTD_r1hRXs
          6. Andrey123
            Andrey123 3 March 2014 18: 57
            -1
            Such ka you simply call - Troll. How much do you get paid for inciting ethnic hatred on the Internet?
            1. zardoz
              zardoz 3 March 2014 19: 51
              +1
              How much do you get paid?
          7. Yalta
            Yalta 11 March 2014 01: 47
            -2
            So your true identity, the Nazi, has opened. Who is not with us is against us .., yes? Does it frighten the incomprehensible?
        2. Don
          Don 3 March 2014 18: 56
          +1
          Quote: Andrey123
          And I do not bleat about the brothers, the way it is, we are brothers.

          You try to tell about this in the freedom party or the right sector. I have already listened to their nonsense, including on this site. They shout that the Muscovites (notice they do not even want to call them Russian) are not Slavs, but Ugro-Finns. And believe me, this is still trifles.
      2. Andrey123
        Andrey123 3 March 2014 18: 51
        -3
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScTD_r1hRXs
    5. kare
      kare 3 March 2014 16: 10
      +1
      Forum users, do not pay attention. Today in Kiev apparently dismissed the prshushku. This is one of them. There are several people on the site.
      1. densh
        densh 3 March 2014 17: 42
        +5
        Quote: kare
        Forum users, do not pay attention. With

        A brainwashing technique for Ukrainians on the Internet who resist the US and Nazi occupying forces in Kiev.
        1. Venue: social networks, sites, blogs, news feeds, comments in video feeds, YouTube, justice and so on.
        2. Comments should be with supporting pictures, links, videos, even if they are simply cut out of the general context.
        3. Use cultural speech in conversations; be friendly and welcoming
        4. Do not get fooled by provocations, do not respond with aggression to aggression
        5. Attack on the post, video, commentary is carried out purposefully, in groups of 10-20 people, you will simply be defeated by facts alone
        6. Force the opponent to use a mat and other obscene expressions by any actions
        7. Constantly point out to the opponent that he is behaving uncivilized
        8. If the opponent crushed your lies with facts, make an emphasis on his grammatical errors, this demoralizes and shames the opponent, veiling the fact of your lies
        9. Try to make a split between groups of opponents, for example, people call to stand up for the defense of Donetsk, and you write that yourself from Donetsk and it makes no sense to fight, it will only get worse

        1. Do not use the words seizure of power, Bandera, militants, terrorists, extremists, Nazis, nationalists. Always say - the people of Ukraine
        2. Do not write that we are for Europe, write that we are for united Ukraine
        3. Do not use language differences. Southeast and Crimea writes "in the Ukraine" - agree with them, do not make discord in this. Try to write in Russian, the Ukrainian speech immediately repels many.
        4. Try to convince them that they were cheated or cheated
        5. Try to convince that Russia only needs resources and labor from Ukraine
        6. Try to convince that everything is bad in Russia, use pictures of remote places, old buildings, dumps, demotivators about old women, retirement, hungry children and other facts of human pity are ideal
        7. Try to convince that nobody is going to them, that nobody is going to grab or demolish anything from them
        8. To show to the maximum how Yanukovych and the PR deputies lived, to emphasize that this is all stolen people's money
        9. To prove to them that Ukraine will be strong only together, individually to intimidate that Russia from the South-East and Crimea will make them their slaves or something bad
        10. If the opponent shows you the successes and achievements of Russia, reproach the opponent for being subjected to Kremlin propaganda. To convince your opponent that you allegedly have relatives in Russia who are terrified of Russia's poverty and poverty
        11. In the same way, in this vein, do the opposite, if the opponent shows you facts of poverty and devastation in Europe, the EU or the USA
        12. Try to convince as much as possible that the Maidan is supported by both the Southeast and the Crimea, they say you have friends there, relatives who are behind the Maidan.
        13. If the opponent can prove to you that the National Bank is controlled by the United States, emphasize that this is done in all countries, for the convenience of the economy. Also emphasize that the US and the EU want to help Ukraine and are very worried about it.
        1. Aleksandr65
          Aleksandr65 3 March 2014 23: 26
          +1
          That's for sure, that's how they work, in particular 123.
        2. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 4 March 2014 23: 48
          0
          With your permission, I will post this on other resources. hi
  31. Neophyte
    Neophyte 3 March 2014 13: 31
    +7
    Information is incorrect! Crimeans form a new state, a referendum is
    confirm March 30. Ukraine has no right to wage war against the Crimea,
    more, the army of Ukraine is neutral. Mobilization -1,5%, just ridiculous,
    the appeal consists of students who are only familiar with sticks. Neither Russia nor Ukraine will fight with each other.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 3 March 2014 13: 40
      +1
      Quote: Neophyte
      the appeal consists of students who are only familiar with sticks.

  32. nemec55
    nemec55 3 March 2014 13: 33
    +1
    The author, isn’t it embarrassing to write such an eruption. These are only two nicknames of a Jew that can be bummed among themselves. Because they don’t have a soul and a green mass in their head. One of them is probably the same.
  33. Bully
    Bully 3 March 2014 13: 34
    0
    Provocative little article! It seems that the customers are still the same, with stone Catholic faces
  34. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 3 March 2014 13: 34
    +5
    Who would doubt that...

    Without firing a single shot, the entire Crimean grouping of Ukrainian troops was captured and blocked by groups of Russian military on trucks and "tigers"! At the same time, our military does not even remove license plates from cars to disguise themselves ...

    Not a single Ukrainian soldier even tried to seriously resist. A whole brigade of Ukrainian marines, armed with armored vehicles, artillery, and so on. heavy weapons, sitting quietly behind the fence of his unit, as in a corral, surrounded by a group of "polite people" armed only with small arms and deprived (thank God) of the right to use these weapons. And this is on its own territory!

    The commander of the Navy of the Naval Forces of Ukraine went over to the side of the "enemy", and his former chavny merrily rushed away from the Crimea with the permission of the "self-defense forces"!

    Ukrainian air defense claims (!) Of violation of the sovereign airspace by foreign helicopters. Well, yes, it’s not to shoot a passenger plane.

    How do you do the rest of the "non-Crimean" ZSU group? Why are they not moving to save their surrounded comrades? Where are the columns of Ukrainian tanks, covered with an air armada, rushing to crush the cowardly MOSCA LEE? Also "do not fall for provocations"? That's right - it's not in the former Yugoslavia to sell uniforms and weapons to all opposing sides, as a Russian volunteer wrote:
    Earlier it was said about the Ukrainian contingent, which broke all corruption records, that the trident of the Ukrainian emblem is the initial "Ш" in the word "schwerts" (in Serbian - a merchant). Before leaving Gorazde, only two submachine guns remained for the entire Ukrainian company (one of them was serviceable). All other weapons, including armored personnel carriers, were given (sold) to Serbs and Muslims.

    http://artofwar.ru/p/polikarpow_m_a/serbia.shtml

    Or in Iraq, cola from the American canteen to trade. Shame on you! I always said before that the ZSU are not operational, that most of the officers in them are useless ballast.
    Where the so-called. "HEROi muydana"? Why are they not going to "save the Crimea", trapping the rat land? Yarosh was only enough to ask for help from Dokku Umarov, which only aroused a keen interest in his person from Ramzan Kadyrov, who promised to help him go to meet him, and knowing Ramzan Akhmadovich and the fact that he does not throw words to the wind , Yarosh has every chance to fear for his life. And another HEROy Sashko Bilyi prefers to deal with the so-called. Interior Minister Avakov, promising to hang him ...
    1. sapsan14
      sapsan14 3 March 2014 14: 37
      +11
      Good day! With all agreement with the foregoing, I ask that the Ukrainian army be treated with respect. Firstly, it is the merit of many real officers that we do not consider the APU as an enemy. And thank God! Secondly, you would have thought: in many parts there are those who graduated from the USSR military schools with us and they are no worse than us. Thirdly, there are units that can spoil the nerves of anyone. It's just that OURS are there and no one will fight (except for fools). And you have to be thankful that:
      A whole brigade of Ukrainian marines, armed with armored vehicles, artillery and so on. heavy weapons, sitting quietly behind the fence of his unit, as in a pen
      Do not insult the soldiers, please.
      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 3 March 2014 15: 11
        +1
        Quote: sapsan14
        Good day! With all agreement with the foregoing, I ask that the Ukrainian army be treated with respect. Firstly, it is the merit of many real officers that we do not consider the APU as an enemy. And thank God! Secondly, you would have thought: in many parts there are those who graduated from the USSR military schools with us and they are no worse than us. Thirdly, there are units that can spoil the nerves of anyone. It's just that OURS are there and no one will fight (except for fools). And you have to be thankful that:

        Good afternoon, as I understand it, there are essentially no questions. We do not consider the APU as an adversary, only because the APU sits quietly like a mouse behind a broom, because their officers do not want to shed blood for no one, and besides, the Urainian officers are well aware of what will happen if they come out with weapons in their hands .. .
        As for the officers, the real officers acted like this ...

        Or maybe you can remind you who shot down our planes from the "Buk" in 2008, and whom the Americans brought with "cargo 200" to Sevastopol, look well ...

        These are also "real" Ukrainian officers ... Now they are waiting for the next, new government to give them ranks and preserve their estates with dachas, and it makes no difference to whom to swear allegiance to Crimea or Ukraine. And what can be expected from the officers and soldiers brought up on the "Heroism" of Mazepa, Petliura and the ghouls-Banderlog from the OUN-UPA.
        Quote: sapsan14
        Do not insult the soldiers, please.

        And where I offended them. They sit and do the right thing, for their own health, it’s right ... When this disaster ends, the Galicians will go home, with the exception of those who agree to take a new oath, and conscripts from the Crimea and the South-East will serve in the new army or the Autonomous Republic of Crimea or Russia.
        1. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 3 March 2014 17: 09
          0
          Quote: Novel 1977
          These are also "real" Ukrainian officers ...

          I looked ... It seems that they spit in my soul. Not Russians, but these ... who are ready to sell their mother for an extra dollar ... I will say one thing. It is a pity that you allowed them to get out of Georgia alive. I would not allow it! And I wouldn’t take such prisoners ...
      2. perfect100
        perfect100 3 March 2014 15: 16
        0
        Golden words!
  35. shibi
    shibi 3 March 2014 13: 36
    0
    Laughed at the article laughing
    A very in-depth analysis was obtained by the author.
  36. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 3 March 2014 13: 42
    +2
    If, God forbid, it comes to a serious war, then it should end with parades of our troops in Berlin, Paris, London and Fashington.
    1. Hort
      Hort 3 March 2014 13: 55
      +3
      yeah, marching on radioactive funnels is a dubious pleasure ...
    2. Yalta
      Yalta 11 March 2014 01: 41
      -1
      Rather, in the nearest cemetery, the aggressor.
  37. Russ69
    Russ69 3 March 2014 13: 45
    +1
    As for the war, then it will not be, in my opinion. But some skirmishes do not exclude. Thugs are always enough ...
  38. Not served
    Not served 3 March 2014 13: 46
    +3
    Let's call a spade a spade. There are no longer any Armed Forces or Army in Ukraine. There are military, but not the army. If they had a real army, then the Generals would have sat in Kiev for a long time and sent the Maydans to rally in the desert (figuratively). This happens in many unstable countries like Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan.
    A war would have looked like that. They would come together on Perekop, set up tables, plump, faces would beat each other, hangover and go to water the oats to and through Lamanche. laughing
  39. Russ69
    Russ69 3 March 2014 13: 46
    +9
    Another video with turntables ...
    1. tomas.09
      tomas.09 3 March 2014 14: 29
      +2
      Still, on this video "Flight of the Valkyries" would be superimposed.
  40. Muadipus
    Muadipus 3 March 2014 13: 48
    +12
    I never thought that I would say this: - Thank God, my grandfather, a veteran of the Second World War, did not live to see these days. And he does not see all this shame. First, the country for which he fought was destroyed, then his native Ukraine gives glory to the Nazis, and now there are voices saying that a Russian can fight with a Ukrainian.

    For the sake of the blessed memory of our grandfathers, the Russians and Ukrainians are obliged to unite and rid themselves of the Galicians. Let them go in peace.
    1. bigELDAK
      bigELDAK 3 March 2014 14: 07
      +4
      I propose to give Poland these territories in all seriousness for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR42i5j6Xbc&feature=player_embedded
    2. Yalta
      Yalta 11 March 2014 01: 40
      -2
      And he does not see the Nazis in the Kremlin. In Ukraine, patriots of their land and nation. To unite? Dismiss. From the friendship of Russia and Ukraine, nothing good has come of it.
  41. skifd
    skifd 3 March 2014 14: 02
    +5
    Amused!
  42. Ivan Russky
    Ivan Russky 3 March 2014 14: 08
    .
    This threat of invasion is already noticeably affecting our economy. Our stocks are falling in the global market, the dollar and the euro jumped in price. If the EU countries seize the accounts of our aligarchs who actually control our country, then they will give everything away, and they won’t ask us, and Crimea and everything that is there. So there will be no intrusion. Just another political bluff.
    1. carver
      carver 3 March 2014 14: 44
      +5
      Quote: Ivan Russian
      Ivan Russian Today, 14:08 New
      This threat of invasion is already noticeably affecting our economy.


      All krants go go boa.
      1. Michael_59
        Michael_59 3 March 2014 17: 13
        0
        Quote: carver
        All krants go go boa.

        Well, the trololo only registered, and you already choke on it)))
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 3 March 2014 16: 21
      +3
      This threat of invasion is already noticeably affecting our economy. Our stocks are falling in the global market, the dollar and the euro jumped in price.


      But this just suggests that all "stock exchanges" have the same attitude to the real economy as Yanukovych does to ballet. That our factories suddenly stopped? Or was the state order canceled? Or suddenly all the shops were closed? Why would they, shares, fall? And why should the dollar and the euro, whose owners have more debts than money, grow? There is no economy there. Continuous politics, so if necessary, they will shut down all these exchanges and let the parasites-traders scream.
    3. kare
      kare 3 March 2014 17: 09
      0
      Excuse me, do you have a gold-currency account? What personal losses have you suffered?
  43. Arh
    Arh 3 March 2014 14: 10
    +4
    I think Ukrainians are sober-minded, they should understand that this power is fascist and they won’t go normal for it, which cannot guarantee a normal life where laws are violated by the same power! In addition, they know that Crimea is Russian Land! ! !
    1. Yalta
      Yalta 11 March 2014 01: 37
      -2
      At your Zhirik fascist. Openly, moreover ..
    2. Yalta
      Yalta 11 March 2014 01: 37
      -1
      A Russian in Crimea is dirt on the neck of pro-Russian gorlopans.
  44. Not served
    Not served 3 March 2014 14: 11
    +1
    But on the other hand, there is an unpleasant aftertaste that our people in Ossetia were shot down by BUKs (I can not vouch for accuracy) and non-Georgians were sitting at the consoles.
  45. RUSS
    RUSS 3 March 2014 14: 15
    +4
    Quote: Altona
    That's okay ... "Commander-in-Chief" Turchinov is generally a Protestant pastor, but he controls the troops and gives orders ...


    It gives orders, but only into the void.
    In connection with the latest information from Ukraine, Turchinov can only give orders to himself.
  46. johan
    johan 3 March 2014 14: 20
    -2
    "The Armed Forces of Ukraine will be swept away in an attempt to seize Crimea by force"

    Agitation from the category of North Korean horror films. Like the DPRK army will deliver a stunning and deafening blow to the United States.

    The main striking force of the putschists is Yaroshi and the scumbags from the right sector subject to him, but they won’t hit him in the forehead. Penetrate small groups in the Crimea, undermine the killing of civilians, undermine the situation. In short, everything that hunted bandera in the West. Ukraine during and after the war
    I would not want that. And I would not want our bites off Crimea from Ukraine, like Abkhazia and South Ossetia from Georgia. Recognize territorial integrity, so acknowledge to the end
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 3 March 2014 14: 41
      +1
      And I would not want our bites off Crimea from Ukraine, like Abkhazia and South Ossetia from Georgia. Recognize territorial integrity, so acknowledge to the end

      There was no talk of biting off yet. And the Armed Forces of Ukraine (the remnants of those who did not quit) are sitting in their units and are silent. Because you are more clearly understood by the whole hopelessness of military intervention.
      1. Yalta
        Yalta 11 March 2014 01: 34
        -1
        It’s not about biting off .. The Kremlin does it by turning on the fool ..
      2. Yalta
        Yalta 11 March 2014 02: 40
        0
        Crimea, Taman and Kuban were annexed by Catherine ll in 1783. Before that, 350 years old, there was a Tatar khanate in Crimea. And there were Russian spoon-washers, which were brought under the Union, to serve sanatoriums. And the descendants of the invaders. It's sad, but true.
    2. Yalta
      Yalta 11 March 2014 01: 36
      -1
      What coupists? What are you looking at? We have a revolution in Kiev, restoration of rights, the overthrow of the pro-Russian convict-president. What do you want. Rossi mass media is rubbing lies.
  47. Flipman
    Flipman 3 March 2014 14: 21
    +1
    Quote: Ivan Russian
    This threat of invasion is already noticeably affecting our economy. Our stocks are falling in the global market, the dollar and the euro jumped in price. If the EU countries seize the accounts of our aligarchs who actually control our country, then they will give everything away, and they won’t ask us, and Crimea and everything that is there. So there will be no intrusion. Just another political bluff.

    Well, so long ago it’s time to create a powerful economic institution as opposed to Europe and America! The Customs Union will grow and we will all be independent of the West practically, but they depend on us!
    1. Yalta
      Yalta 11 March 2014 01: 33
      -2
      Vanya, it’s good to look for enemies everywhere. Those who run around with a club in search of who to pile on, quickly find the one who piles on him. It’s better to be friends, trade, love, than to jam the helmet ..
  48. TAMERLAN 7
    TAMERLAN 7 3 March 2014 14: 22
    +5
    The whole east, south and Russian-speaking from the western regions of Ukraine in Of their will not shoot. But nationalists, this is not the army, so-the militia, they are zero against the army! If any of them serves in the army, then the Ukrainian army forgot the last time they shot, flew or swam!
    1. Yalta
      Yalta 11 March 2014 02: 02
      -1
      What kind of "OWN"? Occupants, they are in Africa occupants. They sit at home, and not in a foreign country with machine guns.
  49. dmb
    dmb 3 March 2014 14: 24
    +3
    Judging by the title of the article and its text, the next "military analyst" is a petty provocateur. Let's hope that, unlike him, the officers and soldiers of Russia and Ukraine are reasoning more sensibly. Instead of killing each other, it is better to pile on those who have made this mess, including the "analyst" himself.
    1. Yalta
      Yalta 11 March 2014 02: 42
      0
      Respect and respect ..) Good opinion.
  50. Igmail
    Igmail 3 March 2014 14: 24
    0
    no war will be, there will be a scenario with the script 08.08.08
    1. Yalta
      Yalta 11 March 2014 03: 15
      -1
      Until the golf course is rolled out from Russia, there will be no peace on the planet. I read and read your slogans. Hitler’s children ... not even Dzhugashvili.