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Results of the week. “So according to a dozen of you, citizens. For a dozen per capita "

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Help ensure peace and tranquility


On the Perekop isthmus, which connects the peninsula of Crimea with the rest of the territory of Ukraine, are the fighters of the Crimean "Berkut". This is reported by news agencies, citing a source in the law enforcement agencies of the Crimea.



The new head of the Crimea, Sergey Aksenov, said during a speech that a referendum on the status of autonomy would be held in Crimea on March 30 of 2014.

“Considering the above, understanding my responsibility for the life and safety of citizens, I appeal to Russian President Vladimir Putin with a request for assistance in ensuring peace and tranquility in the territory of the ARC,” the statement said.



The Federation Council at an extraordinary meeting of 1 in March, devoted to the situation in Ukraine, approved the appeal of the President of the Russian Federation on the use of Russian forces in Ukraine.



Comments from our readers:

Canep

In their place I would have thought about where to dump, and not about the holiday season in the Crimea. Pskov paratroopers (100% contract soldiers) need a few hours to take control of Kiev, if you act through the territory of Belarus, I do not think that the Old Man will be against. Do not be surprised if I hear this in the morning news. Then they will have to answer for this rebellion.


Vl690006

Greetings to the brothers Slavs from the Muslim Brotherhood (Russians). I hope that OUR friendly fraternal UKRAINE come peace and calm. And I hope that this, God forbid, will be without our help. But, if necessary (by the will of ALLAH), we will help our Slavic brothers (HOW TO ATTEND THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION, OUR ANCESTORS 500 YEARS AGO).


Sakhalininsk

War with whom?
Do you really think that the Maidan trash will fight with Russia or the Ukrainian army will fight for this gathering? I have tremendous doubts on this point, but if our brazen-Saxon order of the pork snout is put, then I am always ready to come to the recruiting station.


Kharkov, Odessa, Donbass, Crimea ...



In Donetsk, protesters tore the flag of Ukraine from the flagpole in front of the regional state administration building and hoisted the flag of Russia.

As a UNIAN correspondent, during a rally of supporters of Russia in the square to them. Lenin's jubilant crowd of many thousands chose Pavel Gubarev as the “people's governor”, ​​who calls himself the commander of the so-called “People’s Militia of Donbass”.



In Kharkov, the rally participants in support of the city authorities launched an assault and seized the regional state administration building, where Euromaidan supporters barricaded themselves.

Several hundred young people, most of them with St. George ribbons, after the rally in the city center on Freedom Square went to the RSA, in front of which stood the order of 100 Euromaidan activists, UNIAN writes.



Comments from our readers:

chisya

Comrade returned from the rally. Says for euromaidan were visitors. In the crowd of ours in the administration they threw a light-noise with bolted up bolts. A lot of ordinary people suffered. But still they dodavili. If it were not for the cops, they would have torn to pieces, and our cops would have gone with our batons, but they would pull these euro-Maidans from the crowd. Some of these peaceful protestants are talking to the stage, pulled out and put on their knees.
I also saw the boy 14 years behind euromaidan, such parents should be planted on a stake. The spirit of revolution damn.


Vasily Klopkov

For me, as a Kharkiv citizen, today was the real day of victory! You know, as they say, do not wake famously while it is quiet. Those from Westland woke us up! And today we drove them, like shit cats!


Altona

So what? Where is the vaunted Ukrainian statehood? Could not stand the test of time ...


Strezhevchanin

C'mon, you imagine the gap of a simple average person’s pattern, they just threw a Molotov cocktail and already hung over every administration Russian flags !!! Panic media, ambassador's tip from the US ...... you just imagine how many drugs Brzezinski already used.
We remember very well and will not forget where and against whom Sashka whites fought against, we are not going to forgive your life credo.


Egoza

The people demand a referendum not only on federalization, but also in general on the withdrawal of the Donetsk region from Ukraine !!!
And the police are great! Here it is precisely know "for whom"
Seeing such a thing, the deputies have already appealed to Turchinov and Yatsenyuk to remove Avakov from the post of Minister of Internal Affairs, because “in a critical situation he cannot manage. He is certainly very smart and good, but the police do not follow his orders
I wonder who they want to put in his place! God forbid Yarosh determine !!!

Viktor Yanukovych: wait for me ...

Viktor Yanukovych gave a press conference in Rostov-on-Don. Previously, he asked the Russian authorities for protection and received it. Despite the events in Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych still considers himself the head of state.




So I found the untimely (de facto) chair, but not lost (de jure) of the presidential post, Viktor Yanukovych. Looking for him for a long time: from the Kharkov center to the Sevastopol suburbs. Searched in the air and on the water, in administrative offices and basements. In the international search even filed.

But Viktor Fyodorovich “found” himself - on the territory of the Russian Federation - on the territory of the country, about whose interests he was going to wipe his feet a couple of months ago, thinking about the possibility of signing an association agreement with the EU. As a result, the legs wiped out about Mr. Yanukovich himself, and after that, Viktor Fedorovich did not invent anything better than “teleportation” to Russia.

Before finding himself in Rostov-on-Don, Yanukovych first glanced at one of the Moscow hotels, and then at the elite settlement of the Moscow region. In the week, on behalf of a certain Ukrainian citizen in Barvikha near Moscow, an elite mansion was purchased for fabulous money, which the owners could not sell for several years - the price was such that, as one character says, the ears fold into a pipe. Within a day, a “man who looked like” Viktor Yanukovych was noticed in this mansion. This information was provided to the media by the lord, who, apparently, understands a lot about the Moscow elite real estate and knows how to look behind her high fences - the ex-prefect of Moscow, Oleg Mitvol.

So, the legitimate president of Ukraine was found ... And now, attention, the question is: does he need it in Russia? Does Moscow, Rostov, etc. Need? a gentleman who was famous for his enchanting attempts to sit down on several chairs at once. If needed, then as a living bait, which can not be named frisky exactly ...

Zhirinovsky here just now proposed to shelter Yanukovych somewhere near Belgorod and “make” him the governor of the Belgorod region so that he would start preparing a “triumphal” return to Ukraine. There is an opinion that Belgorod residents are at least not delighted with such an offer ...

Comments from our readers:

Vo.dum
Yanukovych is a strong trump card in the fight for Ukraine. I do not exclude that he will return to Kiev on a white horse, in order to give this place to someone from pro-Russian politicians. The same Tsarev ...


Someone
And you do not admit the thought that all this was played like a note? Yanukovych has disappeared, the opposition begins to make mistakes, Russia is suspiciously silent, and here once - the teachings, two - Yanukovych is again on the scene. Surely the West was ready for Yanukovych’s power actions, but for this it is unlikely.


Akhtuba 73
Definitely specialists work not now, but for a long time. I do not think that the Vilnius decision to send to ... The European Union Yanukovych took it himself. He would get by (pardon) three times. Even then, they worked and guaranteed that they would not give up and would bring everything to the bitter end. That lead. After the speech and the decree of Yanukovych puzzles began to take shape into a clear picture ... there is still a lot of sooooo business, but with such a multi-pass I take off my hat to GDP.


Tomket
Or maybe he will have a role like Khrushchev? Transfer of land to Russia?


How the Russian ship "BBC" did not notify

By itself, his arrival without an announcement looks unusual - before the visits of Russian ships to Cuba were always covered by the press, a foreign news agency notes. According to information posted on the information resource "Black Sea Fleet", its current name "Viktor Leonov" received in 2004. It was built in Poland and in 1988 went into operation under the name "Odograph". Then it became part of the Black Sea fleet. Board number - "ССВ-175".



The first media to announce the arrival of a Russian military ship to Cuba was the BBC company. Then information about the entry of the Russian Navy ship into the Cuban port was confirmed by the Russian Today Russian information and analytical channel of international broadcasting. RT, in particular, reports that the crew will meet with the leaders of the Cuban Navy, as well as with the authorities of Liberty Island.

Results of the week. “So according to a dozen of you, citizens. For a dozen per capita "


First of all, the BBC was worried about why their chief editors neither Havana nor Moscow reported about the visit of the military ship from Russia to Cuba ... They were choked up ... Apparently, there are fears that at this rate Russian warships will start “without warning Bi-bi To enter the ports of Great Britain and the United States.

And in Poland, probably the Pole who was responsible in the “pre-democratic” 1988 for the transfer of the ship to the Soviet Union is thinking about suicide ...

Comments from our readers:

Tersky
The average reconnaissance ship "Viktor Leonov" anchored in the port of Havana not far from the Temple of the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God ... The guys just put candles on the way, the only secret is who and what? ..


Theadenter
Interesting? Is this somehow connected with the signing of an agreement on Russian military bases abroad?


Roman 1977
Hello mattress! We returned!


Tatarus
They give us ships for the Olympics, we just for them. From the breadth of the soul.


Anxiety in the west

In accordance with the decree of the President of the Russian Federation, the troops of the Western military district, as well as the formations and military units deployed on its territory, the 2nd Army of the Central Military District, the command of the East Kazakhstan region, the Airborne Forces, the Far and Military Transport, were suddenly raised on alert aviation.



According to Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, the checks are not related to the situation in Ukraine. “These exercises will take place, including at the borders of Russia with other states,” said Shoigu. “Ukraine may be among them.”



During the exercise, units of the Marine Corps conducted a night landing on the coast (unequipped coast) of the Barents Sea. A total of about 100 marines and 15 units of equipment participated in the landing.

In the sky of the Voronezh, Kursk and Lipetsk regions heard the roar of military transport workers, the whistle of helicopter propellers. There is a large-scale transfer of air groups. During the transfer, actions are taken to cover individual units of the Ground Forces from the air.

During the audit, special attention is paid to the use of communication and warning systems. Monitoring of the connection is carried out outside the selected frequency range.

Military pilots take part in actions to detect and destroy armored vehicles of a conditional enemy in conditions of unfamiliar polygons.

The skills of search and rescue operations are being developed in various parts of the terrain from the south-western regions of Russia to the polar sections of the territory.

The check will last until March 3 and will affect a total of almost 150 thousand troops. During the exercises, up to 90 aircraft and 120 helicopters, several hundred tanks and armored personnel carriers, dozens of warships.

These teachings are connected with events in Ukraine or not connected - it is the tenth matter. The main thing is that military maneuvers of substantial scale are conducted on a regular basis, army units gain much-needed experience, the security system is methodically built. If at least 1% of such exercises Mr. Yanukovych spent that way a couple of months ago in Kiev and Lviv, then you see, gentlemen with Bandera tridents today would continue these very tridents to quietly clump up manure in their yards ...

Comments from our readers:

Ek.Sektor
(About the statements of Shoigu - author's note) I would be very surprised if he had said something else.


Velikoross-88
Of course, they are not connected, just like the missile defense system in the Czech Republic and Poland is not connected with the nuclear potential of the Russian Federation and is directed exclusively against the DPRK ...


Yanus
If suddenly our troops will be in the Crimea - so it is not on purpose, just GLONASS knocks)))
In Western Ukraine, the circus in general. Locals ask them to arm, including tanks. They will be able to start them? ))


Kapitan Oleg
Yes, they just horses harnessed to them.


... and base come

Russia intends to increase the number of military bases outside the country, and is negotiating with a number of countries: with Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, the Seychelles, Singapore. This was announced by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu. He stressed that negotiations are underway, and Russia is already close to signing documents with the countries mentioned.





After such information, I want to ask myself a question: have we really experienced a difficult and morally destructive era, an era of timelessness?

Russia is again entering the international arena not only at the political level, but also at the level of ensuring its own security militarily. The presence of military bases on the territory of foreign countries is not a tribute to fashion and not a whim of leadership. This is one of the significant components of Russia's geopolitical and geostrategic success. This is, after all, an attribute of a strong country.

It would be desirable to hope that the military bases opened (and in some cases renewable) will fulfill the role assigned to them, based on considerations of national security. Well, and besides, I want to think that the military base, for example, in the Seychelles will not end up being an ocean view bungalow set to “work out tactical activities for reclining on beaches and champagne consumption” at public expense by people with big stars. Well, but as a sanatorium for a proven private and officers - quite ...

Comments from our readers:

Gxash
Great news! Expanding the list of foreign outposts (otherwise military bases) will provide an opportunity to be active in a much wider territory than now. This will strengthen the geopolitical weight of Russia and allow for prompt response to a possible threat from a potential enemy.


UREC
The guys are throwing booze and trend - we are waiting for great things!


Polly
- In response to the deployment of American missiles in Europe due to the nuclear threat from Iran, Russia may feel the nuclear threat from Paraguay and deploy its missiles in Cuba.
- So Paraguay has no nuclear missiles!
- Already have, we sold.


Generalissimo Turchinov

The speaker of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, Oleksandr Turchynov, assumed the duties of the President of Ukraine and “in the appendage” of the functions of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Republic. This is stated in the relevant decree of February 26 2014 of the year.





Immediately after the announcement of himself acting as the Supreme and All Ukraine, Mr. Turchinov fell with angry criticism of the Crimea. They say that arbitrariness, administrative buildings are seized, non-state banners are hung out, people are rally ... Here is a quote “from” of Turchinov himself

Any attempts to seize administrative buildings will be regarded as a crime against the Ukrainian state with all the consequences that should be.


Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin quickly responded to this pearl through Facebook:

Who else but us?

We have to admit (objectively) that while Russia was preparing for the Olympics, the Olympics themselves and (yes) their victories at the Olympics (which we are certainly proud of), the United States and Europe under its control, which Washington, through the mouth of V. Nuland, rudely reminded her place, won the next cold (informational) war, and in fact bloodless (without invasion) took Ukraine.



- Did not take! - readers will say. - Kernes in Kharkov has not yet surrendered! .. And others! Kerch! Sevastopol! Simferopol! There, Russian flags raise!

Yah?

A few days before Yanukovych’s flight from his residence, US Secretary of State John Kerry said: “There is no time for intrigue and games. President Yanukovych must immediately undertake serious negotiations with opposition leaders to create a transitional government with broad support. ” Here it is, the key: “There is no time for intrigue and games”! Well, it is clear: in the courtyard of the Great Depression 2.0, we must hurry with the orange revolutions. Especially in Ukraine, all this is not the first time, everything is already run in ...

How was the Western war against Ukraine conducted - and at the same time against Russia?

As usual. Newspapers and television plus Twitter with Facebook. Through communications, the “fifth column” in the country quickly became active - all those dissatisfied and all those marginal that they would like to taste in the “independent” republic of power and at the same time earn extra money. It was exactly the same way in 1917 in Russia in the time of Kerensky, who had inherited a loose state from Nicholas II, in Russia. In 1917, power "lay under my feet", and it was picked up by the Bolsheviks - Lenin and his revolutionary team, a small number, but great in skill. At first, no one believed that the Bolsheviks represented a serious force. And they did not believe correctly: they did not even imagine such. But they were in the right place at the right time and showed themselves as the most organized people. Another thing is surprising: after Lenin came to power, most of the residents of St. Petersburg and Moscow felt that this was not for long (at least Melgunov wrote in detail and convincingly about this) that they would not cope with power, that they would not be popular and that in general everything is formed by itself. Kerensky, with the help of the army, will take and win. Well, everything was formed - right up to the civil war and the red terror, about which then (in emigration, of course) the mentioned Melgunov wrote a whole book.

Now, in Kiev and other cities, the authorities have "picked up" the most active and most organized, and at the same time fed by the West people, who are the heroes of many journalistic television reports. As many Ukrainians recognize, now only these heroes are shown on TV. It may well be that these people constitute a clear minority (it’s not even possible to calculate this; according to some estimates, there are only two million obvious “zapadents” in Ukraine, and that's what they want in the EU and curse the “cursed Muscovites” who occupied them unhappy homeland), but most do not want any entry into the gay EU, nor the care of the gendarme hegemon of the United States, nor the threatening economic disorder with Russia (as such can happen). But, while the majority "does not want", the minority is organized and acts. And he does it! Yanukovych fled, a “iron Julia” appeared in a wheelchair on “Maidan”, and the new “government” did not have a hryvnia in the treasury. And right there the United States drew up with generous proposals from the IMF and the EU, represented by the head of the foreign affairs committee of the European Parliament, Elmar Brock, who promised Ukraine already 20 billion euros for reform.

Yes, here the key is structural reforms. The media writes that the EU and the United States are already working hard on the “short-term package of financial assistance to Ukraine.” Conditions of assistance are known: economic and political transformation.

All clear! After all, it was precisely with the help of such “packages” that obliged the country to carry out “structural reforms”, including privatization (hello to Chubais), the IMF and other fraternal capitalist lenders from various European “clubs” who had once successfully destroyed Russia.

The free (almost) Russian press at that Yeltsin time tirelessly chanted Western aid and promised a quick capitalist paradise. The same thing happened before, in the late Gorbachev years, when the country was being prepared for a catastrophe. In the late perestroika mediocre films full of primitive propaganda, life in the USA and Western Europe was glorified, the heroines were currency prostitutes and sailors who ran to the side of the Statue of Liberty, and so on and so forth. The Soviet Union was ridiculed by its own people as a “disgraceful scoop”. In a few years the great country was trampled into the mud. The Soviet people, one might say, have trampled her there. And the former communist propaganda simply disappeared. “Soviet Russia” and then Den’s newspaper, which Yeltsin didn’t like very much, did not make the weather.

Today, the major Ukrainian and, of course, Western media submit unilaterally the corrupting activities of this very West: as a democratic and full desire to defend the rights and freedoms of an independent Ukrainian people, oppressed by the bloodthirsty (and outsider) tyrant Putin, who will give them their gang tentacles ( Al Capone is resting) almost to the very western edge of the long-suffering Europe, on the way banning the Ukrainians from Oseledians and embroidery and imposing Masonic ties on them, not to mention the imposition of a ban on the ancient Ukrainian The rayn protoyazyk, from which, as you know, later came this primitive Russian, which is only a distorted version of language ...



Comments from our readers:

Canep
Yes, Putin simply needs to send letters to Ukraine on 3, enter a visa regime even for short-term visits, close the border, and wait a bit, Maidan 2.0 will not take long to wait, and to speed up the ripening - privately finance pro-Russian organizations.


Kite
About the visa regime said the first Tyagnibok. Of course, if so, then the other side (Russia) will look at the file of the applicant for a visa. But banderlog it is not clear that Europe will precisely isolate itself with visas / filters from thugs. And one more thing: if European officials become deputy officials in Kiev, then they will offer very categorically to forget the previous methods of “peaceful rally”.


m262
That's right, here some comrades advise to wait or even close the borders. There is nothing to wait for, the information war had to be started back in August, why I have ORT and RTR news in Minsk, I can watch every evening on TV without any problems, but not in Ukraine ??? (Was in the Crimea in the summer). The money confiscated from Vasilyeva can be sent to the benefit of the Motherland, or is it already ... about?
If someone is on the site from the Kremlin, “throw” Oleg's article on GDP !!!
Everything is just beginning (well, I hope it's not too late)!


goody
Information warfare is the strongest weaponwhich for some reason is not used in the country that is on the list of the first arms exporters in the world ...


Normman
What “elite” is such a policy! Who in today's Russia will resist the information war? Medina, with the "Name of Victory"? Svanidze? Maybe the creators of the "Fashion sentence" or "Our Rashi"? Wake up, we lost the information war in our territory! State policy in the information field is the encouragement of moral and material healthy forces of society, strengthening the state and society, developing immunity to external influence. In fact, the opposite is true! State support for us is clearly and covertly received by destructive and frankly pro-Western forces - Serebrennikov, Mikhalkov, “Rain”, “Yandex”, etc. What kind of coordinated response can we talk about? WHO WILL COORDINATE? What and where to answer?


Candidacy from europe

Kai Dickmann and Paul Ronzheimer, chief editor and senior correspondent respectively "Bilda", they interviewed Vitaliy Klitschko in Kiev (at the Millennium Hotel), since, according to his own statement, he is a presidential candidate of Ukraine. Among other things, the interview touched upon the Russian topic.



According to Mr. Klitschko, the Ukrainian people already feel: the oppression of the state and its police apparatus is gone forever.

When asked by a correspondent that Russia brought its army units on the Ukrainian border into combat readiness, and if Klitschko is not afraid of this, the former boxer replied that Russia's reaction was worrying him. He noted that "there were attempts by some media to depict a picture of a coup and protesting radicals." This is wrong, says Klitschko. However, Russia is currently trying to exert a strong influence on the east of Ukraine, Klitschko said, and therefore "we must be very careful."

A direct question followed: “Are you afraid of Russia's military invasion of Ukraine?” Klitschko said that he could not imagine such a thing, because such an escalation is undesirable for both parties. According to the presidential candidate, there is more likely a question about Yanukovych. He must be brought before a Ukrainian court. Further, Klitschko noted that Yanukovych was probably hiding in the Crimea, in a Russian military camp.

What can Germany do, asked the journalists, and what can the European Union do?

To this, Klitschko replied that the EU plays a very important role and must negotiate with Putin. And it would be desirable for the EU to play the role of a mediator and try to prevent unrest in the region.

Obviously, let us add on our own that the EU in the future Ukrainian elections has relied on Klitschko. Klitschko himself is in contact with the German press, which also speaks of his European preferences. The presidential candidate expects "urgent assistance from the EU" and not from the United States. For Washington, the leader of Ukraine is Yatsenyuk.

And further. Russia, most likely, will go "parallel" to the German course - and, accordingly, against the American course. Germany is the first economic force of the European Union, and Russia is highly dependent on the EU as a gas supplier. It should be remembered about the recent progress with the South Stream project.



Comments from our readers:

Tuzik
The West wants to wash Russia with blood, this is their primary goal, for this they will do everything, they really need a second Syria on the border with Russia. So, unfortunately, the victims will have to wait, this machine is already running ...


Simple
Oleg, not all the newspapers looked.
"Bild". 05.02.2014 - 00: 04 Uhr
World boxing champion Vitali Klitschko ... gets recognition and support from Dieter Graumann ... of the President of the Central Council of Jews in Germany in the fight against the Ukrainian government.
Graumann told Bilda: “Vitali Klitschko, who demonstrates personal ties with the Jewish community, entered the battle not on the stomach, but on death, and fighting for freedom and against dictatorship in Ukraine. He passionately stands for justice and a course in a free Europe. He is a hero of our time, an example of courage. ”
At the same time, Graumann warns Klitschko about other members of the opposition: “Unfortunately, at the moment there are ultra-right, fascist and anti-Semitic party Freedom, which is part of the opposition movement in Ukraine.
Therefore, Vitali Klitschko must be very careful in this regard and always maintain the correct distance. ”
That's such a disposition.
At the end of this whole forest, Vitali Klitschko will be handed a personal fire extinguisher. In memory.
And shake hands for faithful service.


Turn around, hut ...

In recent days, amid the sad Ukrainian events, interest in the South Stream gas pipeline project in Europe has intensified, and some bureaucratic problems have been resolved. Bulgaria approved the investment proposal for the construction of the offshore section of the pipe, and Austria decided to return to the project.



Recall that in the last years of Yeltsin’s rule from Russia to the European Union and Turkey almost all the gas went through Ukraine. Last year, only half of Russian gas flowed in Ukrainian transit: the merit was in that Nord Stream. Yes, the EU is shocked by the Third Energy Package (we wrote about this on VO, briefly: the European Commission insists on revising the agreements concluded by Russia with Austria, Bulgaria, Hungary, Greece, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, because the signed documents violate EU legislation. True, the commission at the same time “forgets” about the legal priority of national legislation). But the "Maidan" in Ukraine quickly cool hot heads.

It became known that Austria is going to return to the South Stream project. Information about this came from Sochi. Moreover, shortly before the negotiations in the Olympic city, the approval of environmentalists in Bulgaria was received. Earlier, commitments for the construction of the "Southern" confirmed Hungary and Serbia.

The discussion of the development of bilateral cooperation between Gazprom and the Austrian company OMV was held on February 23 (at the meeting of A. Miller and G. Royce). Speech in Sochi was about Russia's gas supplies to Austria and the country's participation in the "South Stream".

A few years ago, OMV became fascinated with the competitive project Nabucco. In this regard, the "South Stream" could go to the north of Italy through Slovenia. But Nabucco has ceased to exist even as a plan. The construction of the Italian section of the pipeline is relatively disadvantageous: to pull the pipeline to Austria is shorter and cheaper.

As they say, every cloud has a silver lining. Now, perhaps, the European Commission will cease to shake the “Third Energy Package”. At least, Gazprom has a new powerful argument.



Comments from our readers:

Igor39
Well, what, it is necessary to cut the Ukrainian GTS into metal, also grandmas.


ed65b
... Now head and combed. Why is Putin silent and who benefits from the situation in Ukraine? .. GAZPROM !!!!!! Taxiing in the interests of Russia. Putin analysts fame. With one blow he cut the Gordian knot of contradictions with Brussels. Will there be a second hit and will there be a third hit and where?


Rattenfanger
Naturally! From the minute to the minute, volt-mounted stormtroopers will be seated on the main pipe. But geyropeytsy people are gentle, in the winter in an unheated room they are not used to living.


Not rebuilt

Mikhail S. Gorbachev said that the crisis in Ukraine was due to the retreat of its leadership from democratic procedures, the inability of the authorities to engage in dialogue and fight corruption. With such a statement, as reported "Lenta.ru" With reference to the Associated Press, he spoke at a forum in Sharjah (UAE).



The deep reason for unrest in the republic, according to the former Soviet leader, was the incompleteness of perestroika.

It is not very clear, let us add from ourselves what exactly Sergey Sergeevich had in mind, and who and when in Ukraine was underreconstructed. The former self-styled president of the USSR seems to have fallen into political childhood.



Comments from our readers:

Serg
So his age is like that! Can't you do anything ...


creak
From such before in the village of matches hid ...


avant-garde
He, in my opinion, he is a stunner!


Tersky
It would be better if he didn’t bring up in his time ...


Ukrainian President with a Georgian accent

Mikheil Saakashvili stated that he received proposals from the leaders of the Ukrainian opposition who came to power to take high positions, reports Newsru.com with reference to Interfax.



“There were paradoxical proposals, including to hold high official posts, both openly and in private conversations, but I certainly don’t have such plans,” Saakashvili said on Wednesday night when it was broadcast from Kiev on the air, “ Selection of the “Rustavi-2” TV company.

“I told them (the leaders of the Maidan) that my heart is here (in Ukraine), because our struggle is here, but my existence belongs to Georgia. With the Soviets, with all I can, I will help, but we cannot do what they have to do, but they need to make quick reforms, ”Saakashvili continued.

However, let us add from ourselves, despite the fact that his “existence belongs to Georgia”, Mr. Saakashvili decided to go to the United States. Maybe to Georgia, who knows.

Newsru.com indicates that Saakashvili, saying that he misses Georgia very much, for many reasons decided to leave for America. “I will speak openly about these reasons in due time,” the ex-president said.



Comments from our readers:

And Us Rat
No, well, that's who asked his opinion ?! Each barrel plug.
Tie money ran out? Earn?
He and Gorbachev need to create a movement "The Elusive Joe." Who the fuck are not needed by anyone, you see, Yanek will catch up to them ... if they don’t grab ...


Fin
Well settled, and there and here Georgia ... It seems and did not run away ...


Captured by racial delusions

Drunk Jacek Protasiewicz, one of the most senior European politicians (Vice President of the European Parliament), discovered the Germans in Germany.



As reported "Vesti" with reference to "Bild".

Protasevich took a luggage cart from an airport employee and headed for the exit from the building. The customs officers tried to make a remark to the Pole, and then he shouted: “Heil Hitler!” The Vice-President refused to show the passport to the representative of the authorities. Instead, he asked the German in uniform if he was in the Auschwitz concentration camp. Airport staff called the police. She put handcuffs on Protasevich and took him to the station.

A sober politician presented his version of events to the authorities. Yes, he drank a few glasses of wine on board. However, the behavior of the German customs officer was a flagrant violation of all international norms and agreements.

“One of the customs officers asked me to open the luggage. I agreed, but warned him that in this way he was encroaching on my diplomatic immunity. Then a German in boorish form demanded my passport. When I started to resist, he shouted: “Raus!” Then I wondered if he had ever been in Auschwitz, and if he knows what the given word can take, ”said Protasiewicz.

The politician said that he informed the head of the European Parliament Martin Schulz about the incident. Protasevich said he was going to tell Germans in the European Parliament that they "are not supermen."

So, we add from myself. If it were not for the few glasses, which Mr. Vice President of the European Parliament has treated himself to, the Germans would probably have remained in captivity of racial delusions.



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Simple
"Raus" perceived in Poland, as a very rough estimate, which is on par with Heil Hitler and Hände hoch, Protasiewicz justified himself at a press conference in Strasbourg on Thursday.
Cool knowledge of German.


UN parasites

The other day the press presented a report of the United Nations Commission, which noted that the leadership of the DPRK could be brought to an international court on charges of crimes against humanity. The government of Kim Jong-un is accused of torture, massacres, violence against women, children, forced abortions. We are also talking about concentration camps, slave labor and the like. The commission worked for a whole year (with lunch breaks and weekends), and here’s the result - three hundred and seventy-two pages of charges. Tribunal smacks. Moreover, the 372 pages, prepared to be sent by mail to the leader of the North Korean communists, were added: they wrote on it that Kim Jong-un was personally responsible for all the crimes. The main person on the commission, Michael Kirby, wrote the following: “Any official of the DPRK who orders crimes against humanity, commits them or assists them, falls under criminal responsibility in accordance with international law.”



The North Korean government immediately replied to the received mail. The propaganda machine applied its favorite style. Something stylistically similar was popular in the USSR when it came in newspapers about the plans of world imperialists, who extended their dirty hands, for example, to fraternal free Cuba.

The DPRK authorities' response to the UN report was published by the Korean State Central Telegraph Agency. Here is the main message to the UN: "The report distorts the true picture of the people of Korea enjoying true freedoms and is spiced with outright lies and fabrications, deliberately fabricated by enemy forces and rabble, such as elements of dubious origin, who fled from the North."

In addition, the North Korean government advised no longer the United Nations, but the United States not to stick their heads in the affairs of others and go on to study the issue of human rights violations in their own country.

“The so-called investigation commission was craftily drafted last year by the United States and its cronies ... and we never even recognized the fact of its existence,” the Interfax official quoted the words of the DPRK MFA official.

Yes, let us add, the UN has long become an American puppet. Ban Ki-moon's recent Olympic sermon on homosexuals is an excellent confirmation of this.

North Korea is hardly a heavenly place. However, how much can you believe the speakers? It turns out that the commission members were not even allowed into the DPRK! They had to go to South Korea, where in front of them (publicly) three dozen of some witnesses, whose past has not been verified, appeared before them. And why check, if the findings of the report are certainly set in advance. At least, it’s naive to blame one Kim Jong-un — he is not an angel, but he wouldn’t have been able to do enough work in the short time of his reign to cover the 372 page plus the accompanying text.

Kim Jong-un, like any other political figure, be it Obama, Putin or Nicholas Maduro, whoever you want, requires an objective approach to himself. Especially when it comes to the investigation. The United States and its puppet structure - the UN - has long neglected objectivity. Assad is the poisoner of his people, despite the evidence to the contrary, Putin is a tyrant, thief, gangster and occupier of Ukraine, Maduro is the oppressor and enemy of “free enterprise”, and Obama is the torch of exceptional power, assuring the entire planet that the unrest in Kiev is sign of democracy.

By the way, China has already stated that it objects to the consideration of the “DPRK case” at the International Criminal Court and promised to veto a relevant resolution in the UN Security Council.

Therefore, it turns out that commission members in vain received a salary for a whole year.



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aktanir
If we try to judge objectively, then where now the influence of our world star-and-strip gendarme is necessary is in North Korea. Really local residents feel sorry. Look, on any photos, including official, go about what people went to 70's. There is no access to the Internet, there is no access to world information, ordinary people suffer from food shortages, modern medical care, all those things that we have been using for decades. There really is a collective farm. And instead of going where it’s not necessary - to Ukraine, Syria, etc., they would have climbed better into this North Korea, cleaned up the regime, and simply would have helped ordinary people to live like a human being. Then the two Koreas would be united, and they would live happily ever after. Why the hell Russia support Kim Jong-un, I do not understand. No economic privileges are worth it. On another misfortune, happiness cannot be built. In general, what kind of nonsense: forgive ten billion, to give 10 more, and then forgive them ???? !!!!


Astartes
You cannot judge objectively, simply because you get all the information about North Korea from the state-South Korean information trough. Well, calls to clean up the power of the North. Korea, instead of protecting the Russians of Ukraine, is generally a masterpiece of betrayal.


Jager
I advise you to go somewhere in our Russian outback, for example, in Vologda. And see what kind of "real collective farm" is going on there. North Korea in comparison with it is the torch of civilization.
But why in Vologda - but at least under Shatura, the Moscow region. The village is still on the wood, there is no gas and there will not be. As the Internet, medical care and other benefits of large cities.
The North Koreans have a national IDEA - albeit perverted to the limit, but at least some. Israel has, the United States. And we have? Except for "steal, run," did not see.


clidon
That is, a feudal idea with deified leaders who got hung on - this is the idea for which hundreds of thousands of people have to die? Are you sure that the northerners deserve this? Would you like to believe in such an idea and live like this?


Pleasant surprise

Ban Ki Moon has been driving the UN since 2007. He was re-elected Secretary General of the World Organization in 2011. Ban Ki-moon - exclusively career diplomat. All his life - a brilliant climb on the career ladder and red carpet. He knew only the ups, his falls happily passed. So at the Olympics in Sochi, he did not miss the room, but carried a torch. But as if in order to belittle the hosts of the Olympiad, in the same place in Sochi, the UN Secretary General pushed the speech about the rights of the blue.



Arriving at the Olympics in Sochi, Ban Ki-moon first of all ordered not to offend gays and other LGBT people. As reported "Lenta.ru" referring to the Associated Press, the head of the international organization demanded to stop attacking members of sexual minorities and subject them to discrimination. He said this, speaking with an appeal to the International Olympic Committee.

Here are his words: “We all must stand up against attacks on lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transgender people and intersex people. We must ensure that they are not arrested, imprisoned or subjected to discriminatory restrictions. ” “Hate as such is not the place in the 21st century,” the UN Secretary General added.

So that's why Mr. Ban Ki-moon arrived at the Olympics. Preach the Western ideals of LGBT. Or, perhaps, to approve the Olympic standard, forgotten almost from ancient Greek times.

But it was Ban Ki-moon and the president of the International Olympic Committee, Thomas Bach, who were entrusted to carry the flame of the Olympics on the second day of the Olympic torch relay. Noteworthy is one phrase uttered On that day, the UN torchbearer:

"Sochi is a great place for the Games, I am pleasantly surprised by the hospitality of the people of Russia."


The surprise of Russian hospitality is, as they say, “something with something”. Even if the surprise was pleasant. What are you waiting for, Mr. Secretary General? A shed instead of a suite, balanda instead of rich borsch, sour fruit compote from dried fruit instead of vodka with the brand Soyuzplodimport?

With such a secretary, only a veto, often used by Russia and China, saves the face of the UN.

Recall that in the 2006 year, being a candidate for the General Secretary, Ban Ki-moon proposed some kind of unspecified reform of the world organization as an election platform. In 2014, we can definitely say: the reforms took place, the organization finally became pro-American.



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pensioner
"Hate as such is not the place in the 21st century."
You, Munya, would preach better in Kiev, on the Maidan ...


Name
Ban Ki-moon does not serve, he serves.


duchy
We must assume that this fruit clearly has difficult links with the top leadership of the United States. Wait a bit, there will be a “Monica Lewinsky” in the men's version.


groin KZ
You can still recall how he was recently mentioned by high-ranking Western officials in their talks about who the opposition should put in power in Ukraine. “Ban Ki-moon will help us put everything together there.” It's the same tape and sticky snot, which glues the bandit US policy with hangers-on.


About the ability of critical judgment

The US State Department has released an annual report on the observance of human rights in the world, reports correspondent RIA "Novosti" Alexey Bogdanovsky.



“From Maidan Nezalezhnosti in Ukraine to Gezi Park in Turkey, the authorities used force to disperse peaceful protests, causing serious injuries to many,” the report says.

As for Russia, the State Department says that the authorities "continue to suppress" those who are critical of the government.

Along the way, the State Department criticized Egypt (there, as we know, they overthrew the democratically elected Mursi). Among other countries that inherited from the State Department propagandists are Nigeria, Myanmar and Cuba.

According to the State Department, about a third of the world's population lives in authoritarian countries that use security forces to consolidate power and fight dissent.

Nothing of the kind, add on my own. WorldwideOf course, not excluding the United States, states use force to suppress citizens' dissent. And of course, they use it to “consolidate power”. The state apparatus has a monopoly on the use of violence. This is an axiom that is well known in the State Department. By the way, the propagandists from this ministry are well aware that more than six thousand people were arrested in the USA alone in the cases of Occupy Wall Street. The references to “democracy” and “human rights”, which other propagandists like to use, are simply idle talk. They have no meaning either in the United States, or in Russia, or in Myanmar, or in Cuba, or in France. By the way, in the latter country, the security forces recently arrested a 262 man who had caught them at a rally against the government.

Great weekend to everyone!



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FunkschNNX
The State Department criticizes ... It’s cool to hear that from a country leading several wars in foreign territory at the same time.


Fin
"From Maidan Nezalezhnosti in Ukraine to Gezi Park in Turkey, the authorities used force to disperse peaceful protests, causing serious injuries to many,"
Is Turkey the next?


* “So according to a dozen of you, citizens. A dozen per capita "- the phrase from the movie" The meeting place can not be changed "
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  1. Name
    Name 2 March 2014 07: 31
    +48
    "On the Perekop Isthmus, which connects the Crimean peninsula with the rest of Ukraine, there are fighters from the Crimean Berkut."- these guys will not back down and will not sell! soldier
    1. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 2 March 2014 09: 49
      +28
      Given the cynicism with which impunity all Maidan evil spirits mocked these men with impunity, now we can say with a probability of 99,9%, and the fact that the Maidan people can pass through this barrier only by destroying them.
      1. Russian
        Russian 2 March 2014 09: 56
        -90%
        So, dear comrades-in-arms, this morning several hundred Cossacks from Krasnodar were sent to the Crimea, including 14 people from our Yermolovsky smoking.

        I support the Ukrainian people and strongly opposed sending guys from our kuren to Ukraine. I myself was offered, but I refused, it’s not nice for me to be at enmity with the fraternal people who are fighting for their freedom, in their own land ... And although the official version of sending Cossacks to Crimea is supposedly to protect the Russian-speaking population from the rebellious Crimean Tatars, but I I am sure that there is a catch in this and will not do without provocations ...

        If our government is so worried about the Russian people, why doesn’t it send the Cossacks to the republics of the North Caucasus, where the Russians are really oppressed, or at least, for example, to the Stavropol Territory, where the whole Russian-speaking population is fleeing, and leaflets are distributed in the markets with the inscription: “ Muslim citizens, don’t buy houses from Russians, soon you will get them for free. ”

        Those. it is obvious that the government pursues other goals, and not the protection of the Russian-speaking population, and, worst of all, if a fratricidal war begins for the sake of the goals of politicians. Indeed, for an outbreak, only one provocateur with a weapon in his hands will be enough, who will open fire on at least one, at least on the other side, then the first blood will be shed and that’s all - war ...

        They are trying to push us with their foreheads purposefully, they tell us how evil Bendera hate us, that they want to introduce criminal liability for the Russian language in Ukraine, although in reality this is not true. Our colleague Ivan Polukarov has been at the epicenter of events for several weeks and says that he is treated like a brother, and he did not notice any anti-Russian sentiments, while the Ukrainians on the Maidan are shown the chevron of the Russian army, which was allegedly broken during the battle, which’s they say, "you see, we were shot by Russian security forces."

        I will not deny the possibility of the involvement of our security forces in an attempt to disperse the Maidan, since I don’t have the information, everything can be, but the Chevron story is a clear provocation, because it’s clear to the moron that if the Russian security forces took part, it’s clearly not in the Russian form, as in Kiev there are many video cameras and journalists, and no one needs an international scandal ...

        Those. they show us how Ukrainians hate us, and Ukrainians are told that they are shot by Russian security forces, it’s clear to a fool that they just push us against our foreheads! Do not succumb to provocations, do not fall for false media propaganda. I think that the introduction of Russian troops into the territory of the Crimean peninsula is also a kind of provocation, although I fully understand the discontent of Ukrainians, Crimea, however that may be, is Ukrainian land, it will say something like this: “Here Sevastopol is a city of Russian glory, Khrushchev presented Crimea to Ukraine, ”and so on, but Kiev, too, was once Rus, was Kievan Rus, but now is another time, and at the moment Crimea is an integral part of Ukraine, and the entry of Russian troops and Cossacks into the territory of Crimea, Ukrainians can rightly regard both the fight, and they will be right ...

        The guys from our Ermolovsky kuren went to protect the Russian population from the rebellious Tatars, and if in fact they were deceived and there will be an order to engage in battle with the Right Sector or in general with the Ukrainians, then they promised to turn around and leave. “We will not fight with the brothers,” said my friend and associate, deputy. Ataman of Ermolovsky kuren Averyanov Artem, for which he respects him a lot ... He also promised me to drop all reliable information and, if possible, video from the scene, so we will keep you posted. Do not forget that we are brothers by blood! Glory to Russia! Glory to Ukraine!
        1. morpex
          morpex 2 March 2014 11: 28
          -81%
          Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
          I support the Ukrainian people and strongly opposed sending guys from our kuren to Ukraine.

          Thank you BROTHER for your support. I imagine how difficult it was for you to make a decision that fundamentally differs from the official policy of the Kremlin. There, in the Kremlin, they do not consider us brothers. A low bow to you Vitaly. hi
          1. pushkin71
            pushkin71 2 March 2014 11: 40
            +31
            Ukraine was given artificial statehood. You have not dealt with her. Admit it and take today's situation as the accomplishment of historical justice. Remember the anecdote about the nag, "Well, I didn’t do ..."
            1. morpex
              morpex 2 March 2014 12: 25
              -44%
              Quote: pushkin71
              a situation as an accomplishment of historical justice.

              What kind of justice are we talking about? A man with a gun came to my house. The horror is that I considered and consider him a brother. Now blood will be shed. And it will be. Remove the blinders from the eyes!
              1. Salamander
                Salamander 2 March 2014 13: 48
                +32
                Quote: morpex
                What kind of justice are we talking about? A man with a gun came to my house


                And you pour him some tea! Proven Method!fellow
                1. Mature naturalist
                  Mature naturalist 2 March 2014 14: 32
                  +10
                  she fell off the Crimea smile

              2. Rakti-kali
                Rakti-kali 2 March 2014 14: 12
                +39
                Quote: morpex
                What kind of justice are we talking about? A man with a gun came to my house.

                And you turned your back on him, bent down and lowered your trousers, and when your Russian brothers decided to stop this outrage, they began to cry about "blood will be shed." Blood had already been spilled - "Berkut" was bleeding trying to save the people of Ukraine from bandits. Where were YOU then? Bottles and cobblestones were brought to terrorists, shot at soldiers of the BB, or galloped on the Maidan?
                1. AVIATOR36662
                  AVIATOR36662 3 March 2014 01: 56
                  +1
                  This kind man was already killing defenseless people for 1 etc. a month. "Is it a good addition to your pension?"
                2. Viktor Shmagin
                  Viktor Shmagin 3 March 2014 04: 14
                  +4
                  He came to his house, but we also don’t want the young men from different sectors to come to our houses and would tell us what language to speak and what TV shows to watch. All my life, the tails have been twisted by cattle on farms, and here they have become so smart, they choose the government on the mudan, you can rob, eat on the ball, you don’t need to clean cow shit, and even such crazy grandmothers pay, and they’re coming, who’s earning for the wedding, who’s on a cow or a pig. And the magazine whores then say, all of Ukraine is in mudan. It was not there from our places, but mostly Western wuyks. The only thing I agree with them is that Mazepovich must be judged
                  1. Kidey
                    Kidey 3 March 2014 19: 15
                    0
                    I absolutely agree with you am
                3. I am a Russian
                  I am a Russian 15 June 2014 17: 33
                  0
                  Quote: Rakti-Kali
                  And you turned your back on him, bent down


                  ABOUT! For morpex such a pose rate.Veston by the principle of my hut I hide I don’t know what.

                  supporter of fucking integration with a geyopa
              3. Kir
                Kir 2 March 2014 15: 11
                +14
                Yes, not someone needed to remove the excess, the head, since it is anyway yours, the provocateurs are clearly superfluous, though earlier it was necessary to do. Although if you tear off the real head, the customer of this vile action, you can now turn the tide, there’s just something to be afraid of by surgeons, not understanding that it’s better to cut off the phalanx than with the gangrene running, the whole arm, and it's not a fact that they will save the Man.
                written for morpex, p_u_s_s_k_i_y and other bastards.
              4. Very smart
                Very smart 2 March 2014 15: 24
                +19
                morpex
                You've made a bunch of corpses there, and themselves, without outside help! Already grown up to be responsible for their actions! And very reluctant to answer! And the man with the weapon has not come yet, and you have already put it in your pants! "The cat smells whose meat it has eaten ..." So expect ...
              5. smile
                smile 2 March 2014 15: 45
                +21
                morpex
                When the Soviet army came with weapons in hand to liberate European countries from fascism. there were also Nazi supporters there. But on the whole, for some reason, normal people did not consider us invaders. When now Russia has only indicated that if the Euro-fascists begin to kill the Russians and come to impose their order on the part of Ukraine that has not yet been captured by them, you here begin to groan that a "man with a weapon" has come to you ... who has blinders before your eyes? You don't have to answer - this is a rhetorical question, the answer is obvious.
                1. Babon
                  Babon 3 March 2014 01: 37
                  +3
                  Oh, if you consider how the West brings historiography, it becomes sad. Everywhere Russian troops "invaded" them. And nothing so that they created colonies, and engaged in the slave trade. This is how they carried democracy?
              6. Setrac
                Setrac 2 March 2014 16: 52
                +14
                Quote: morpex
                A man with a gun came to my house.

                But you let a Western man with a weapon into your house, you created a precedent, if it is possible for others, it can mean Russian.
              7. Yars
                Yars 2 March 2014 17: 07
                +21
                A man with a weapon came to your house at least three months ago and seized all power in Ukraine! M is not your brother, as people on Independence are sponsored and controlled from the west, thereby pitting among themselves not a homogeneous population of Ukraine !!! So the Marine do not pray BOSH here !!!
                1. Kuznetsov
                  Kuznetsov 3 March 2014 00: 46
                  -15%
                  I am Russian by nationality and Russian-speaking, like most of Kiev. I was with Maidan all the time. Like my friends spent a lot of money on the Maidan: food, medicine, helmets, fuel for generators ... It's hard for you to understand. But there is no State Department there !!! NO !!! We drove the criminal out of power and his family. Open your eyes. No one rushes into the Russian language in Ukraine. We do not need to be protected.
                  1. Viktor Shmagin
                    Viktor Shmagin 3 March 2014 04: 21
                    +7
                    Change your surname to Koval, and why they burned the Golden Eagle, as soon as they came to the law on languages, you canceled the liar, and Namudans rode what Russian-speaking you are
                    1. Kuznetsov
                      Kuznetsov 3 March 2014 16: 33
                      -4
                      :) I told you it would be hard to believe. But half on the Maidan speaks Russian. It just doesn’t work for you according to the template. Golden Eagles were not saints in this confrontation. Porey. I, too, at the beginning was relatively loyal to them. Yes, and now I understand. that there is not a majority. The government of Yanyk pushed us between their foreheads. It rinsed them well. They were stubbornly sure that there were only banderlogs. Look at the photos of his estate and you will understand that Yanyka had a big vava in his head. Nobody touches the barracks of the Kiev golden eagle and does not suit the lynching. As throughout Ukraine. Why should I change my last name? do not carry nonsense. I treat Ukrainians with patriots of the Russian Federation with understanding. So you understand that the patriot of Ukraine can be not only Ukrainian by nationality. On the Maidan there are Jews, you will not believe it :) I go to Western Ukraine once a year to rest. I am Kiev. Is it hard to believe? and will have to
                      1. k141208
                        k141208 4 March 2014 19: 31
                        +2
                        What do you think in this situation in Russia? Obviously, it’s quiet to wait when in Ukraine those on whom it will depend financially will deploy their military bases as missile defense systems in Poland.

                        Naturally, Socrates is my friend, but his shirt is closer to the body. And Russia enters the game, doing exactly the same as the United States for several months - organizes and supports the change of power to pro-Russian, but not throughout the country, but in individual regions. At the same time, note that from the Western “democrats” variant this variant is distinguished by complete bloodlessness and the absence of destruction of the region’s economy.

                        Of course, it is necessary to recognize Russia as before this, and the Western partners of Ukrainian protesters are violating the UN declaration mentioned above, but it and only it.

                        Again, the question to you is why the same international document can be violated by Western "democracies", and all over the world, and can not be violated by Russia, and only if events develop that really threaten its security?

                        If you think that the last statement does not correspond to the reality and security of Russia, Ukraine’s falling into debtors of NATO countries does not threaten anything, then answer why the Caribbean crisis occurred when the USSR, which had by that time a bunch of strategic missiles on its territory, decided to place them in an independent from the USA state, but in close proximity to US borders.

                        We can say that it is foolish to see the geopolitical background in the actions of the West after the end of the Cold War, but then the question still remains: why should the West cover the budget deficit of Ukraine?

                        Are you really ready to fight with arms in order to financially depend not on Russia, but on Western countries (as we found out, it doesn’t work to depend on anyone with a negative trade balance)?
                      2. Cynic
                        Cynic 4 March 2014 20: 36
                        0
                        Quote: k141208
                        then answer why the Caribbean crisis occurred when the USSR, which by that time had a bunch of strategic missiles on its territory, decided to deploy them in a state independent of the USA, but in close proximity to the US borders.

                        Can ?
                        The USSR deployed missiles, or rather tried to deploy, in response to the deployment of missiles with nuclear weapons in Turkey.
                        Only .
                        hi
                      3. k141208
                        k141208 4 March 2014 21: 50
                        0
                        This is the point that not only Russia intervenes in the affairs of other countries with its armed forces when it comes to its own security, and this is understandable.

                        The first part of my comment on Kuznetsov posts has gone somewhere, so I will repeat it here.

                        Good afternoon!

                        All your posts on this forum are more than reasonable and understandable.

                        However, in my opinion, you are very much though absolutely sincerely mistaken in your two statements.

                        1. “It’s hard for you to understand. But there is no State Department there !!! NO !! ”
                        2. Events in Ukraine do not directly affect Russia's security, and therefore its intervention in the form in which it occurs is an aggression, and not a defensive reaction to the threat to its own security.

                        I will try to explain my vision of the situation. I admit that I myself may be wrong and be mistaken, I would like you to admit this as well. Therefore, I will be grateful if you answer the questions posed in the text and comment on statements that you do not agree with.

                        You yourself perfectly understand that having a deeply negative trade balance, Ukraine now physically cannot be a financially independent state. The difference between imports and exports must be covered from external sources and these loans are clearly political for certain preferences that the lender will receive.

                        It’s pure madness to assume that the creditor of Ukraine as a state can return its money back in the foreseeable future, and even earn market interest on this.

                        Question to you: why do Western economies want to donate several tens of billions of dollars to the state of Ukraine?

                        I think this is not Ukrainian high technology, known throughout the world, which they want to receive in exchange for their money. And they do not date their agricultural producers in order for countries with lower labor costs to destroy their agricultural complex with cheap imports.

                        Why Russia is ready to give tens of billions of dollars to Ukraine is understandable, I venture to assume that other states have similar goals.

                        From whom will Ukraine take the money and who will order its policy. Ordinary participants of the Maidan, as you obviously, sincerely believed that no one was from the outside. However, their aspirations have nothing to do with reality.

                        I repeat it is quite obvious that, despite all the slogans about the independence of the state of Ukraine, it does not have financial independence now and all previous years, just like Russia did in the 90s when it was sitting on the IMF’s needle. At the same time, a financially dependent state cannot pursue an independent internal or external policy, which we also perfectly see in the example of Russia in the 90s.

                        What is happening, the Russian authorities completely legally agreed without using violence to democratically elected. even kleptocratic, Ukrainian that Ukraine will be financially dependent on Moscow, not Berlin and Washington.

                        After this, a violent seizure of power is realized by politicians who are ready to take money not from Moscow, but from the west.

                        At the same time, without the information and political pressure of the Western partners of the Ukrainian opposition, they would not have been able to come to power, their militants would have simply been locked up in prisons as they do in all countries, including France and the United States.

                        Do you really think that the amoebic inaction of the Ukrainian president, which led to the success of the coup, was not the result of pressure from outside?

                        It is quite obvious that real, even if not military, foreign assistance in the violent seizure of power by the opposition of another state violates the UN declaration on the inadmissibility of interference in the internal affairs of another state. Moreover, this intervention resulted in human casualties.
                      4. Cynic
                        Cynic 4 March 2014 22: 03
                        0
                        Quote: k141208
                        The first part has gone somewhere

                        She didn’t go anywhere, where you posted it there she is.
                        If you are interested in my answer, then click on my nickname, then, in the window that opens, click Last comments there are all my posts. Definitely for your posts. hi
                      5. k141208
                        k141208 5 March 2014 00: 05
                        0
                        Thank you, in the way you specified, I found both yours and your posts.

                        Nick did not change, registered on the forum only today because he saw rational people here with my opposite view of events, and discussing the topic with such people is most useful for his own understanding of the situation.

                        I did not quite understand about the idealization and lack of cynicism.

                        What is your opinion about the events? In your opinion, in this situation, did Russia need to intervene in events as it did or does not need to, or is it necessary but somehow differently?

                        Kuznetsov's opinion - Russia does not need to intervene, the coup that has taken place does not affect Russia and it is ready to substantiate its opinion.

                        Mine is necessary, the coup affects Russia and I also justify it.

                        I do not believe in the fact that there may be military operations between Russia and Ukraine.

                        Despite the shouting from Ukraine, in fact, no one takes away anything, but only creates conditions in which the people living in Crimea can decide for themselves who to go next with.

                        Moreover, they should go only by themselves, and they in no way force other regions to follow themselves, as in contrast to which the Kiev administration is trying to do self-appointed contrary to the constitution.

                        If they vote to leave the existing legal status of autonomy, Russian soldiers will not shoot them, this is probably understood even by the most militant Ukrainian opponents.
                        .
                        It turns out that the screams of the Ukrainian authorities should not be directed to the Russian officials and the international community, but to the residents of Crimea, who will make this choice.

                        They are the Russian military and defend without attacking anyone. Without the military support of Russia, such a choice for the residents of Crimea would not have been possible to make a self-appointed Kiev government.

                        I do not believe in the official story about the need for physical protection of the Russian army from the "Bendera", which is supported by many on this forum. The same Maidan was full of Russians, but not among the militants, but among those who came out for a really peaceful protest.

                        It is necessary to protect from supporters of the current central government, among which there are Russians and Ukrainians and anyone, so this is not an ethnic conflict, but an internal political one. In it, one side is the central authority, on the side of which many Ukrainian participants in this forum are trying to dictate their will to the other by force. In this case, the only legal basis for this dictate is the constitution of the state, which the current central government violated in a flagrant manner by the overthrow of the legitimate president and his self-election.

                        Some double standards are obtained: we in Kiev want to violate the basic law, we do not want to violate, we have good reason for this - we could not stand the year before the next presidential election, but you don’t dare in Crimea, we will mobilize for you as a whole country. Western standards of democracy in action, Ukrainians learn fast.
                      6. Cynic
                        Cynic 5 March 2014 16: 35
                        0
                        Quote: k141208
                        Thank you

                        You're welcome .
                        Quote: k141208
                        Do not quite understand

                        After reading this post I think you will begin to better understand.
                        Quote: k141208
                        Your opinion

                        No need, ARCH
                        Quote: k141208
                        Despite the screaming ...

                        Again, you are trying to reason this situation from the standpoint of common sense.
                        Quote: k141208
                        Some kind of double standards come out

                        Didn’t you meet earlier statements _
                        NO TRUTH! THE TRUTH IS EACH OWN!
                        After all, a standard is a norm, a model.
                        That is all in accordance with their standards. Only .
                        They also say _
                        sat down with the cheaters to play cards - first learn to "roll" ...

                        wink
          2. Kuznetsov
            Kuznetsov 3 March 2014 17: 09
            -3
            Pancake. Threw eror. It's a shame. He wrote from the heart. I will not be lazy again. I don’t know why. I am Russian speaking. I’m sitting here writing from the office and in our room of 3 two people speak Russian. So ... the Ukrainian-speaking comrade is apolitical to lawlessness. And we are two Russian speakers with two hands for the Maidan. Golden eagle - angels. Believe please. With all their loyalty and forgiveness, they were simply doing terrible crimes. I will not describe everything. There’s not enough time to argue. And now nobody shoots them. There is a golden eagle barracks, nobody touches her. I am the law on languages. Right now there will be a gap in your template! ... Even the son of Shukhevych (head of the UPA) was against this stupid cancellation. As a sign of solidarity with the East of Ukraine, the people of Lviv talked in Russian for a day (nobody had beaten anyone there for Russian before). Nobody forbade anywhere and does not forbid speaking Russian. And the Rada agreed to return the law to its place. I myself am Kiev. Born in Kiev. The father is military. I did not hear Ukrainian until 10 years old. We traveled to the Soviet military towns where everyone spoke Russian. And do not carry nonsense about surnames. Try to at least try to imagine that what I posted is true. You can clink in the internet. You may come across confirmations.
            1. Babon
              Babon 3 March 2014 19: 40
              +1
              You’re persecuting lies, I don’t believe you. As a servant I do not believe! One would believe, I do not know, would I write here?
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 3 March 2014 19: 40
              +4
              Quote: Kuznetsov
              Golden eagle - angels. Believe please. With all their loyalty and forgiveness, they were simply doing terrible crimes. I will not describe everything.

              Well banderlog not put up a video with their crimes? Maybe because there was no crime?
            3. Kuznetsov
              Kuznetsov 4 March 2014 01: 13
              -5
              Tomorrow morning I’m driving a comrade beaten to the hospital. He is getting worse again. Blood blew from my ears today.

              My father graduated from Kiev anti-aircraft missile. I was with my father in Kazakhstan in Ayaguse (now there seems to be only camel spines growing there) and in Hungary near Segesh (Segeshefehervar prod correctly). I even went to school there. Then in Ukraine. For his childhood he changed 6 schools. In Hungary, instead of kindergarten, it was constantly grazing near his father in the barracks.

              I'm not going to exhibit anything. He who wants will find. Look, for example, an ambush on avtomaydan Berkutovtsev. As a naked Cossack brought to the 15th frost. The first dead on the Maidan, Sergei Nigoyan. Such an Armenian Bendera. My family left Karabakh. They ran away from the war. Internet is a free zone. Who wants to find, will find
            4. Setrac
              Setrac 4 March 2014 13: 30
              0
              Quote: Kuznetsov
              As a naked Cossack brought to the 15th frost.

              Is that who doused himself with gasoline? We know !!! Separate him so that he doesn’t burn himself,. This kOzak alive, alive and well, he died.
        2. Cynic
          Cynic 3 March 2014 21: 00
          +4
          Quote: Kuznetsov
          Right now there will be a gap in your template !.

          If you can only think using templates, then why should you suspect others?
          And you do not need to try to betray the trashy arguments for the latest news. Fantasy not working? So read books, maybe you’ll think up a new one.
        3. Kuznetsov
          Kuznetsov 4 March 2014 01: 18
          -2
          in fact of the matter. that it’s not from books but from my life. we have a terribly unpleasant situation here. But let us figure it out in our own country. Not my enemy is Russian. The last thing I want is to fight, and even with you. But if I have to, I’ll go without delay.
        4. Cynic
          Cynic 4 March 2014 09: 13
          +1
          Quote: Kuznetsov
          . But let us figure it out in our own country.

          Please understand. Where no one called for help, we are not .
          Quote: Kuznetsov
          But if I have to, I’ll go immediately.

          Got an agenda?

          Today the TV channel Rain listened, out of the corner of my eye I looked. Well, what are the masters of defaults, just no words.
          And the information about the presence in Russia of a document signed by the president of Ukraine on military assistance?
          Signed you see the former president of Ukraine de facto, nude lawyers homegrown, admirers of the law when it is profitable.
        5. Kuznetsov
          Kuznetsov 4 March 2014 11: 54
          -1
          Who called you? self-proclaimed prime minister of Crimea Aksenov. His party in the elections in Crimea won a victorious 3% of the vote, for a second (If I remember correctly, it is called "Russian Unity"). They held a meeting of his election at the gunpoint of muddy comrades and took away the phones from the deputies.

          I did not wait for the agenda. How I came from behind the city to Kiev, running to the draft board.
        6. Cynic
          Cynic 4 March 2014 13: 12
          +3
          Quote: Kuznetsov
          Who called you? self-proclaimed prime minister of Crimea Aksenov.

          Hmm, you need to follow the information.
          View Churkin’s statement to the UN Security Council.
          You can say de facto not the president, only this de facto not the president is de jure.
          You just think about what the current Kiev type of government smacks such a fever? And the last appointment is generally something.
          Work out the money invested in them?
        7. Kuznetsov
          Kuznetsov 4 March 2014 16: 09
          -1
          The President of Ukraine does not have the right to call the army of another state without the permission of parliament.
        8. Cynic
          Cynic 4 March 2014 16: 47
          +2
          Quote: Kuznetsov
          The President of Ukraine does not have the right to call the army of another state without the permission of parliament.

          I don’t know if he has such a right or doesn’t have it, but characteristically _ You suddenly remembered the legality !!!
          When they whipped up power under themselves, they didn’t remember something of sanctity.
          Remember, you have to pay for everything, sooner or later.
        9. Kuznetsov
          Kuznetsov 4 March 2014 17: 18
          -1
          Just for me here about the legality of the introduction of the military contingent on the basis of the request of Yanyk indicated. That was the answer. If he recognizes his legitimacy, then admit that he himself, without the permission of the Rada, did not have the right to invite you.

          Tired of arguing.

          Maybe about a hostile attitude towards Russian speakers on the Maidan, will this affect? I constantly passed under this sign. This is from the European Square. Propaganda works well on both sides. But trust me. I am not a member of any of the parties.

          http://varlamov.me/2014/maidan5/15.jpg
          http://www.echo.msk.ru/blog/varlamov_i/1246234-echo/
        10. Rider
          Rider 4 March 2014 17: 48
          +1
          Quote: Kuznetsov
          Propaganda works well on both sides. But trust me. I am not a member of any of the parties.

          and at the same time listen to the echo of matzah ?! wassat
          then it’s clear how you got such a mess in your head.

          I advise the resource - Eye of the planet.
        11. Kuznetsov
          Kuznetsov 4 March 2014 18: 00
          -2
          Impenetrable. I took a photo from neta. I didn’t do my own. I don’t listen to the echo of Moscow. I do not watch TV. I basically do not keep him at home. All the news or on the net or what he saw. BUT what I fluently saw from Varlamov’s text approximately coincides with my opinion.
          Just typed the text of the inscription in Google (Agree beautiful) and the word Maidan. Try it yourself
        12. Rider
          Rider 4 March 2014 18: 16
          0
          Quote: Kuznetsov
          Impenetrable.

          let's round off.
          you believe in the Maidan and "the right to choose" - your right.
          I personally do not believe in it.

          By the way, a wonderful article appeared on the site
          I advise you to read.
          and yes, you may find it an insult, but the title photo in it reflects the REAL situation in your country.

          I wish you good luck (you will really need it very much)

          http://topwar.ru/40702-buduschee-shokiruet-chto-zhdet-ukrainu.html
        13. Kir
          Kir 4 March 2014 18: 16
          0
          You don't have to answer. only there are more and more doubts about your Russianness, but the transformation of the "family name" seems to be more and more real Kuznetsov-Kovalschmitt, so that an "apolitical" provocateur would walk you side in the right direction. but about tweeo mostly filled with liberalizing and other nasty things. like Ilyushenka Varlam, etc. generally keep your mouth shut.
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 4 March 2014 18: 47
      +1
      Quote: Kuznetsov
      If he recognizes his legitimacy, then admit that he himself, without the permission of the Rada, did not have the right to invite you.

      Yeah, if yes.
      Quote: Kuznetsov
      Tired of arguing.

      But who was arguing here, an exchange of views on who and how sees the same thing.
      About the rule of law. Here, today, at its press conference, GDP issued that based on international standards, such a state as Ukraine does not exist and, accordingly, Russia is not bound by any treaties with it and can be guided by interests in protecting its citizens, etc.
      Maidan!
      Yes, the schoolboy is now homeless without a leash and a muzzle!
      It is good that the GDP was concerned about the fate of the Black Sea Fleet bases in the Crimea, otherwise they would soon have been prepared for the fate of Rem's attack aircraft.
      They would have strangled themselves so that they would not share power.
      No one will share power!
      History needs to be taught, not skipped!
  2. Setrac
    Setrac 4 March 2014 13: 34
    +1
    Quote: Kuznetsov
    But let us figure it out in our own country.

    You have NOT figured out how to defend your country, then it will be yours. You could not defeat any NATO bandits, what kind of freedom can we talk about?
  • savrog
    savrog 3 March 2014 07: 20
    +4
    Sit quietly in your pebble, you look and we’ll not shoot you, but if you trample to the east, then that is already SKY SLAVAN and not Bendera’s
    1. Kuznetsov
      Kuznetsov 3 March 2014 16: 47
      -5
      You have a mixture of concepts. Bandera - there is a warrior of the UPA. The basis of the UPA was Ukrainians, i.e. Slavs. Many Slavs ...
      1. Kir
        Kir 3 March 2014 16: 55
        +3
        Yes, the thoroughbreds were Slavs, it might not be worth lying there, many facets donate without genuine names, but at the same time, who paid these things for sure, the same Slavs?
        Generally speaking, a warrior about a gangster element, you will forgive yourself surrendered with your head no further.
      2. Kuznetsov
        Kuznetsov 3 March 2014 17: 38
        -5
        Where did you sit, what did you pass? ... Damn .... I am a historian by training. I read something other than the Soviet version of history. This topic is worthy of a separate page (UPA), but you don’t have enough nerves to oppose. Do not find fault with the words. About paid. I will tell the truth. BUT DO NOT BELIEVE. I used to just watch news about equipment and war games on this site. But when this kotovasia began, he could not stand it and registered. My friends and I raised money for Maidan myself. Every citizen of Kiev could do this. and many did. Who dragged in purses, who by car. Who threw off in the general cash desk and bought something expensive. I do not know how much, but I think thousands of 2 euros spent their hard-earned money on the Maidan. This is not counting the time and labor hours to equip the barricades. How did I know what to buy? Gag sites were created where the info about what the Maidan needed was located. http://www.galas.org.ua/ one of them. Who put up the offer (where I need to take a ride ... I will place ... firewood) who needs (mainly medicines, firewood and food). YES, field kitchens ... army tents were brought not by people, but by parties. But it’s hard to call Bender Klitschko. He barely speaks Ukrainian (by the way, the son of a military man is also like me). It’s just that at some point the people got so sick that the support was huge. Grandmothers poured Molotov cocktails and helped break the paving stones. Did you notice that all the aggression was only on the Golden Eagles? But there was a dofiga of internal troops. And they tried not to touch them. The golden eagle in violation of the laws put these salagas like meat forward. Not ... they, too, got it, but it's more likely to be related. Golden eagle in Ukraine 4000 seems to be everything. But these beauties distinguished themselves so that the special forces reformed on their basis will not only change their name, but will change their form.
      3. Kir
        Kir 3 March 2014 18: 17
        +2
        In damn Russian and does not know what it means passed with his head, and by the way they added themselves saying
        ..... We traveled through the soviet military towns
        that is, your father served the USSR either by compulsion, or by not understanding what system he works on, then where and what did they read except for the Soviet version? and to see either they believed in some impudent propaganda, having failed to distinguish from the truth, or you have to forgive your brains from birth with a twist. And then we remember how your fellow countrymen met with bread and salt of European integrators from the Reich. Then suddenly out of nowhere ....., well, sites like by magic and like on naked enthusiasm, then forgive me forgiving 1990, I hear that de and Kuban. and Krasnodar, and Novorossiysk and a lot of yours

        In short, finish the propaganda, I want to prove that I am able to build the State, Forward !, but not to barricades and offices, but to machines, to equip cars, to brooms to equip a new happy life, and at the same time stop begging like your hetman, and at the same time learn to perform the promise you like it or not.
      4. Kuznetsov
        Kuznetsov 3 March 2014 18: 30
        -2
        And to you the same dear. I was warned that you will only spend time convincing. Did not believe. Father did not serve under duress.
    2. Kidey
      Kidey 3 March 2014 19: 25
      +3
      YESA HEAVY TO YOU Bandera soldier
    3. Kuznetsov
      Kuznetsov 4 March 2014 01: 54
      -4
      The Russian Bandera sounds interesting .... I came to the military enlistment office yesterday and I was also met there by a Russian-speaking Bandera with my brother in N. Novgorod (sort of) ...
      Well, honestly. I don’t know why I’m talking so actively with you here. Looks like I want to convey something to you. Or maybe just because on the nerves we are all here and I want to talk.
    4. Cynic
      Cynic 4 March 2014 09: 14
      +1
      Quote: Kuznetsov
      I came to the draft board yesterday

      Is there a lot of people?
    5. Kuznetsov
      Kuznetsov 4 March 2014 11: 38
      -1
      Not a lot, but it was. True, I came a little too long. It was a countryside. I needed a storeroom room. The guy who collected the relevant data from the journal was already written. There was a stampede in the neighboring military registration and enlistment office. The required number was collected until 13.00 Sunday.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 4 March 2014 13: 37
    -1
    Quote: Kuznetsov
    I don’t know why I’m talking so actively with you here.

    Go and persuade the Maidanites, you will immediately feel the difference as they say "anus" you will feel. These are not kind Russians for you.
  • Kuznetsov
    Kuznetsov 4 March 2014 14: 03
    -1
    I regularly communicate with the Maidan. I’m not far from work. There are many intelligentsia and office plankton. I did not feel aggression towards others. Those who do not think so, if they behave adequately (do not shout "fascists, Bendera ..." do not rip off the symbolism) conduct even fierce emotional conversations / disputes.
  • savrog
    savrog 4 March 2014 09: 49
    +1
    And the hero did not serve Bender in the SS, fascist henchmen
  • Kuznetsov
    Kuznetsov 4 March 2014 11: 56
    0
    Correct the nickname. Probably wanted to write SVAROG.
  • Babon
    Babon 3 March 2014 20: 39
    +5
    Bandera warrior against unarmed people. Against the regular parts of Bandera, there’s nothing at all, well, they can write down children and pensioners as adversaries, and that’s all, all Bandera’s victories.
  • Cynic
    Cynic 4 March 2014 13: 27
    +1
    Quote: Kuznetsov
    Bandera - there is a warrior of the UPA.

    Shukhevych and Yarym would not understand you.
    There is such a thing as remake so now the whole history of the OUN and the UPA is a remake.
    Archives have a long memory.
  • k141208
    k141208 4 March 2014 19: 22
    +1
    Good afternoon!

    All your posts on this forum are more than reasonable and understandable.

    However, in my opinion, you are very much though absolutely sincerely mistaken in your two statements.

    1. “It’s hard for you to understand. But there is no State Department there !!! NO !! ”
    2. Events in Ukraine do not directly affect Russia's security, and therefore its intervention in the form in which it occurs is an aggression, and not a defensive reaction to the threat to its own security.

    I will try to explain my vision of the situation. I admit that I myself may be wrong and mistaken, I would like you to admit this. Therefore, I will be grateful if you answer the questions posed in the text and comment on statements that you do not agree with.

    The message is too long so I will break it into several.

    You yourself perfectly understand that having a deeply negative trade balance, Ukraine now physically cannot be a financially independent state. The difference between imports and exports must be covered from external sources and these loans are clearly political for certain preferences that the lender will receive.

    It’s pure madness to assume that the creditor of Ukraine as a state can return its money back in the foreseeable future, and even earn market interest on this.

    Question to you: why do Western economies want to donate several tens of billions of dollars to the state of Ukraine?

    I think this is not Ukrainian high technology, known throughout the world, which they want to receive in exchange for their money. And they do not date their agricultural producers in order for countries with lower labor costs to destroy their agricultural complex with cheap imports.

    Why Russia is ready to give tens of billions of dollars to Ukraine is understandable, I venture to assume that other states have similar goals.

    From whom will Ukraine take the money and who will order its policy. Ordinary participants of the Maidan, as you obviously, sincerely believed that no one was from the outside. However, their aspirations have nothing to do with reality.

    I repeat it is quite obvious that, despite all the slogans about the independence of the state of Ukraine, it does not have financial independence now and all previous years, just like Russia did in the 90s when it was sitting on the IMF’s needle. At the same time, a financially dependent state cannot pursue an independent internal or external policy, which we also perfectly see in the example of Russia in the 90s.

    What is happening, the Russian authorities completely legally agreed without using violence to democratically elected. even kleptocratic, Ukrainian that Ukraine will be financially dependent on Moscow, not Berlin and Washington.

    After this, a violent seizure of power is realized by politicians who are ready to take money not from Moscow, but from the west.

    At the same time, without the information and political pressure of the Western partners of the Ukrainian opposition, they would not have been able to come to power, their militants would have simply been locked up in prisons as they do in all countries, including France and the United States.

    Do you really think that the amoebic inaction of the Ukrainian president, which led to the success of the coup, was not the result of pressure from outside?

    It is quite obvious that real, even if not military, foreign assistance in the violent seizure of power by the opposition of another state violates the UN declaration on the inadmissibility of interference in the internal affairs of another state. Moreover, this intervention resulted in human casualties.
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  • k141208
    k141208 4 March 2014 19: 28
    +1
    Good afternoon!

    All your posts on this forum are more than reasonable and understandable.

    However, in my opinion, you are very much though absolutely sincerely mistaken in your two statements.

    1. “It’s hard for you to understand. But there is no State Department there !!! NO !! ”
    2. Events in Ukraine do not directly affect Russia's security, and therefore its intervention in the form in which it occurs is an aggression, and not a defensive reaction to the threat to its own security.

    I will try to explain my vision of the situation. I admit that I myself may be wrong and mistaken, I would like you to admit this. Therefore, I will be grateful if you answer the questions posed in the text and comment on statements that you do not agree with.

    The text is long, so I divided it into 2 comments on 2 of your posts.

    You yourself perfectly understand that having a deeply negative trade balance, Ukraine now physically cannot be a financially independent state. The difference between imports and exports must be covered from external sources and these loans are clearly political for certain preferences that the lender will receive.

    It’s pure madness to assume that the creditor of Ukraine as a state can return its money back in the foreseeable future, and even earn market interest on this.

    Question to you: why do Western economies want to donate several tens of billions of dollars to the state of Ukraine?

    I think this is not Ukrainian high technology, known throughout the world, which they want to receive in exchange for their money. And they do not date their agricultural producers in order for countries with lower labor costs to destroy their agricultural complex with cheap imports.

    Why Russia is ready to give tens of billions of dollars to Ukraine is understandable, I venture to assume that other states have similar goals.

    From whom will Ukraine take the money and who will order its policy. Ordinary participants of the Maidan, as you obviously, sincerely believed that no one was from the outside. However, their aspirations have nothing to do with reality.

    I repeat it is quite obvious that, despite all the slogans about the independence of the state of Ukraine, it does not have financial independence now and all previous years, just like Russia did in the 90s when it was sitting on the IMF’s needle. At the same time, a financially dependent state cannot pursue an independent internal or external policy, which we also perfectly see in the example of Russia in the 90s.

    What is happening, the Russian authorities completely legally agreed without using violence to democratically elected. even kleptocratic, Ukrainian that Ukraine will be financially dependent on Moscow, not Berlin and Washington.

    After this, a violent seizure of power is realized by politicians who are ready to take money not from Moscow, but from the west.

    At the same time, without the information and political pressure of the Western partners of the Ukrainian opposition, they would not have been able to come to power, their militants would have simply been locked up in prisons as they do in all countries, including France and the United States.

    Do you really think that the amoebic inaction of the Ukrainian president, which led to the success of the coup, was not the result of pressure from outside?

    It is quite obvious that real, even if not military, foreign assistance in the violent seizure of power by the opposition of another state violates the UN declaration on the inadmissibility of interference in the internal affairs of another state. Moreover, this intervention resulted in human casualties.
    What do you think in this situation in Russia? Obviously, it’s quiet to wait when in Ukraine those on whom it will depend financially will deploy their military bases as missile defense systems in Poland.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 4 March 2014 20: 26
      +1
      Quote: k141208
      All your posts

      Not my merit, a certain amount was deleted by the moderators.
      Quote: k141208
      in my opinion, you are very strong

      Exactly what is in yours, in mine is not so very and completely in the wrong way as you might suppose.
      So
      Quote: k141208
      1. “It’s hard for you to understand. But there is no State Department there !!! NO !! ”
      2. Events in Ukraine do not directly affect the security of Russia

      Do you know what your problem is? You idealize everything too much, you do not have a healthy share of cynicism. laughing
      Do you know these words _
      Our mind is seething
      And ready to lead a mortal battle.
      The whole world of violence we will destroy
      To the ground, and then
      We are ours, we will build a new world ...
      Who was nothing, that will become everything.

      So they describe the situation around us!
      It was said _ Everything will return to square one
      And here you are, trying to consider something from the standpoint of common sense.
      Danger Ukraine from Russia.
      Eh hehe, the greatest danger to Ukraine is Ukraine itself!
      There is only one danger for Russia from Ukraine: the liquidation of the Black Sea Fleet bases and some defense industry operations in the Southeast.
      All !
      Yes, why did they actually change the nickname?
  • T-73
    T-73 2 March 2014 17: 11
    +8
    Quote: morpex
    A man with a gun came to my house. The whole horror is that I considered and still consider him a brother.

    The diagnosis however is disappointing
  • LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 2 March 2014 23: 29
    +3
    Quote: morpex
    A man with a gun came to my house. The whole horror is that I considered and still consider him a brother. Now blood will be shed.


    - to your house ?? In my opinion, we came to our common (Russian Crimea), where in fact we have to protect the Russian-speaking population, as well as our base of the Navy of the Black Sea Fleet. But accordingly, to stabilize the political and economic situation in the republic (c).

    Taking off my hat hi in front of the greatest strategist!
  • Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 3 March 2014 00: 01
    +3
    "A man with a gun" - are you talking about Muzychko with a machine gun or Tyagnibok with the Nazis, or are you dear to the special forces from Galicia prepared by the West?
  • Current 72
    Current 72 3 March 2014 01: 22
    +4
    Marine! So people like you supported these fascist Maydans, YOUR OWN INACTIVITY, and now you scream that there will be a lot of blood. But it will be on your conscience, because of your inaction. Therefore, I put you one more minus!
  • aviator_IAS
    aviator_IAS 3 March 2014 13: 12
    +4
    Quote: morpex
    What kind of justice are we talking about? A man with a gun came to my house. The horror is that I considered and consider him a brother. Now blood will be shed. And it will be. Remove the blinders from the eyes!

    Protect you have come. Or do you think that a Russian soldier carries a greater threat than Bandera? The soldier acts by order and according to the charter, and the Maidan army according to the concepts. That there are few videos on the Internet where the gopot, unbelievable from impunity, drives the police. Are these better? Are these yours? If the police cannot protect themselves, then what can we say about ordinary people. And do not say that you protect yourself. They no longer defended it if they allowed such a mess. If there were no lawlessness, Russia would not have had reason to restore order.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 4 March 2014 03: 31
    +3
    morpex (1) UA March 2, 2014 12:25 ↑
    Quote: pushkin71

    What kind of justice are we talking about? A man with a gun came to my house. The horror is that I considered and consider him a brother. Now blood will be shed. And it will be. Remove the blinders from the eyes! stop that is, according to your House, overseas and European baboons are running around with weapons, is this normal? and your brother came to find out if everything is in order, and offering help is horrible? ... yes, you have something old with your head!
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  • alone
    alone 2 March 2014 11: 52
    -59%
    Quote: morpex
    Thank you BROTHER for your support. I imagine how difficult it was for you to make a decision that fundamentally differs from the official policy of the Kremlin. There, in the Kremlin, they do not consider us brothers. A low bow to you Vitaly.

    Valery, all those who have not yet completely lost their minds, next to Ukraine and its people. You can be 100% sure of this. This is a big political mistake. And it won’t lead to good.
    1. pushkin71
      pushkin71 2 March 2014 12: 26
      +34
      What mistake?!!!! In your opinion, do you need to prosrt everything and give Uncle Sam and Geyrope their original lands? Aren't YOU lost your mind, are you our sensible? Give your apartment to the Chinese, and if you do not give, it will be a big police mistake! Clowning swamp!
      1. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 2 March 2014 22: 45
        +2
        Quote: pushkin71
        everything must be done and given to Uncle Sam and Geyrope

        Oh, it's their blue dream! It would be necessary for the people to think in that smoking, and tries ... do they need such a Cossack?
    2. Salamander
      Salamander 2 March 2014 15: 01
      +10
      Quote: lonely
      This is a big political mistake. And it won’t lead to good.


      And what will lead to good? Sit and stupidly wait until they finish off the last Russian-speaking Ukrainian? Finally dirtied Kiev and other cities? Will they turn the whole of Ukraine into a nationalist camp? Well, you wait ...
    3. Fin
      Fin 2 March 2014 15: 24
      +11
      Quote: lonely
      Valery, all those who have not yet conclusively lost their minds,near Ukraine and with his people. You can be 100% sure of this. This is a big political mistake. And it won’t lead to good.

      Near Ukraine, this is tantamount to when your brother cleaned his face, and you stood next to him. Then they regretted and came up with a reason that you would be misunderstood. Or do you seriously consider the seizure of power by the nationalists - a revolution? And why then this revolution, SE and the Crimea do not accept?
      1. Vlad-32
        Vlad-32 2 March 2014 22: 25
        +2
        Right thoughts. Now such dirt will begin to pour on us. Already from across the ocean they threaten a finger. But we have already gone through this. We are not cowardly. It’s now reported that the commander of the Ukrainian Navy took the Oath of allegiance to the Crimea. And there was information that the Armed Forces from Kiev refuse to go to the Crimea. Maybe we won’t have to enter the troops either?
    4. xan
      xan 2 March 2014 15: 40
      +5
      Quote: lonely
      This is a big political mistake.

      The big political mistake will be the abandonment of power in Ukraine to Bandera and other cave Russophobes.
      Now the Furious will overcome the federalization of Ukraine
    5. T-73
      T-73 2 March 2014 17: 14
      +3
      Quote: lonely
      close to Ukraine and its people

      so, slightly on the side, in range. But not together. According to Freud, a mistake)))
    6. Shur
      Shur 2 March 2014 23: 20
      0
      The USA invested a lot of money in Azerbaijan .. Very noticeably by the way ..
    7. Cynic
      Cynic 4 March 2014 09: 16
      0
      Quote: lonely
      This is a big political mistake. And it won’t lead to good.

      I can’t recall _ Karabakh, whose is it?
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 2 March 2014 12: 17
    +17
    Quote: morpex
    Low bow to you Vitaliy

    When he bowed, see the head hit hard.
    1. morpex
      morpex 2 March 2014 12: 27
      -21%
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      when he bowed, see the head hit hard.

      I didn’t expect any other comment from such a demagogue as you. As always, the insulted insults.
      1. Motors1991
        Motors1991 2 March 2014 15: 08
        -48%
        On Friday, at the All-China People’s Assembly, a bill was signed on the accession of the territories of Russia to China, for this it is necessary to hold a referendum in this territory and receive an appeal from the legitimate authorities, the term for obtaining Chinese citizenship for a Russian is 2 months, no certificates are needed, one application is enough. share or not, it’s still a big question, but you’ve already created global problems for yourself. About such trifles as the GXNUMX, from where you can tell you have already thrown it out, I will not say anything. But this is only the beginning. ism good thing, but common sense, which is less observed, much better.
        1. Kir
          Kir 2 March 2014 15: 33
          +12
          I’m willing to ask, they read in the original, but who sang?
          1. Viktor Shmagin
            Viktor Shmagin 3 March 2014 04: 32
            +2
            Yes, he’s lying like a gray gelding, they have Goebbels as heroes, that’s how they lie. Well, at least somehow spit in a neighbor’s bowl
        2. xan
          xan 2 March 2014 15: 49
          +15
          Quote: Motors1991
          On Friday, at the All-China National Assembly, a bill was registered on the accession of the territories of Russia to China

          Serious people confirm such things with links without reminders.
          Quote: Motors1991
          about such trifles like the GXNUMX, from where you can tell you have already thrown it out, I will not say anything.

          Link again
          Quote: Motors1991
          Patriotism is a good thing, but common sense, which is less and less observed, is much better.

          Common sense is to remove Bandera and Natsik from power in Ukraine by any means.
          Crimea is not yours, accidentally came to you. There will be a referendum - it is democratic.
          1. Motors1991
            Motors1991 2 March 2014 16: 08
            -34%
            The ambassadors of the USA, Canada, Great Britain have already left Moscow, all consultations within the framework of G-8 have been stopped. The message on China was on the Ukr.net website. Personally, I have no doubt that Big Friend and Big Brother of Russia will do just that, their claims in Russia he doesn’t hide much. Judging by how fast the number of fascists is growing, you have to think that in a week all of Ukraine will be in their ranks.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 2 March 2014 16: 57
              +8
              Quote: Motors1991
              Ambassadors of the USA, Canada, Great Britain have already left Moscow
              And before that, the Russian ambassador left the United States, can you explain in what cases the ambassadors are recalled?
              War is inevitable.
            2. T-73
              T-73 2 March 2014 17: 26
              +10
              Quote: Motors1991
              the number of fascists is growing, we must think in a week all Ukraine will be in their ranks

              boy with washed MOSGIES .. what can I say? Sorry for the kid, but they wanted to record in the pioneers
              1. Motors1991
                Motors1991 2 March 2014 19: 03
                -13%
                My son is 54 years old and I've seen enough in my life to have my own point of view on current events and I already have something to compare with. You are ready to kill us, and it’s even boring for me to think that God forbid I have to shoot at Russians, if not Russians, but say Poles or Romanians, landed in Crimea, then tanks and guns would have long been found, and most importantly, soldiers and commanders who very quickly kicked the aliens together with their fleet.
              2. T-73
                T-73 2 March 2014 19: 18
                +12
                Motors, we are more likely one generation.
                Quote: Motors1991
                Are you ready to kill us

                Yes, the mind is either there or not
              3. Cynic
                Cynic 2 March 2014 20: 23
                +7
                Quote: Motors1991
                I'm 54 years old son

                So what ?
                I’ll be more.
                Quote: Motors1991
                .You are ready to kill us

                Hmm, there are no words alone emotions.

                You cannot violate the law yourself, require others to comply with it.
                Was the agreement signed on February 21? It was ! Violated? Violated!
                All .
                Those who hit in the back must be crushed, so that others would not be disgraceful.
                And Crimea, as it was Ukrainian, remains Ukrainian.
              4. infinite silence ...
                infinite silence ... 2 March 2014 21: 07
                +18
                You are 54 years old ... Do not you understand ??? The goal is not to kill civilians! And cleanse our country from Nazism!
                http://www.srbijadanas.net/fotografija-dana-hitler-spasitelj-u-kijevu/ Вам это нравится??????????????
                Or do you like it ?????????

                Fathers and grandfathers drove it up, and at 54 you suddenly flamed up with loyalty ??????? Or did American tolerance wake up? What is happening to you ???

                I could still understand young stupid! They don’t read, are not interested in anything ... But you then? ... Or would you also take part in such a bacchanalia ???


                Shame on you ...
              5. infinite silence ...
                infinite silence ... 2 March 2014 21: 20
                +8
                Today Donetsk slightly showed himself)))

                The referendum - YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                Russia is with us !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              6. Kuznetsov
                Kuznetsov 3 March 2014 00: 57
                -13%
                You imagine as if all of Western Ukraine here is escorting their "soldiers" to that world. There are enough freaks like that everywhere. Every family has its black sheep. BUT for some reason I see such records only on RuNet ??? Even the radical "Right Sector" does not allow such idiots. Well, the Russian Federation is also full of idiots who throw ridges. Deal with your idiots, and do not bother us to deal with ours.
                Movie with Sasha Bilym.
                Yes . But ... we here Maidan have arranged against corruption and against urki in power. Here is a fool and got to the first bureaucrat who came across. If I’m not mistaken, a NEW AUTHORITY criminal case has already been opened against him. No one supports large-scale lynching.
              7. savrog
                savrog 3 March 2014 07: 36
                +6
                All your power fascists need to destroy them
              8. Kuznetsov
                Kuznetsov 3 March 2014 16: 44
                -7
                Complete nonsense. But unfortunately you were rinsed there, which you won't believe. But if it comes to that, I will say so. I am not going to run away from my homeland of Kiev. We will stand to the last. Shapkozakidatelstvo about we take one division for 1.5 hours Kiev - nonsense. Berkut also believed that they would take the Maidan in 40 minutes. But no .. it didn't work. The guys with only truncheons and cocktails burned 2 armored personnel carriers (the protesters did not have a heap of barrels on the Maidan, all the bikes). The guys were shot on the Maidan like in a dash of rabbits. The most disgusting thing is that they shot at those who wanted to take the wounded, at the girls of nurses, and simply into the depths of the masses of protesters in order to nightmare. I'm just sure that none of you will believe me. It is rather a cry from the heart. You know, my grandfather went through the war (the kingdom of heaven), he put orders and medals in his grave so that his relatives would not quarrel for them later. My mother's grandfather is a Polish girl. Always one of the toasts was for the friendship of Ukrainians with Russians and "to the glory of Russian weapons." The grandfather also did not like Bendera. But I never liked how the Russian Federation climbs into the internal affairs of Ukraine. We'll figure it out here ourselves. You do not need to climb to us. We do not have Bandera (there are most likely, but their number does not increase). Or do you have a Banderaite - a collective image for all patriots of Ukraine? then yes, I am a Banderite.
              9. Setrac
                Setrac 3 March 2014 19: 47
                +6
                Quote: Kuznetsov
                then yes, I am a Bandera.

                And no one doubts.
              10. Kuznetsov
                Kuznetsov 4 March 2014 01: 21
                -3
                Well, why a citizen of Ukraine can not be a patriot of Ukraine ??? quite normal phenomenon. As normal as other patriotism
            3. Shur
              Shur 3 March 2014 20: 27
              +2
              We do not have Bandera supporters, but there are nationalists, but not with such subtext and deeds. I do not know about your grandfather, my mother was deported before the war, but everyone knew who and what was there then. Together in Siberia they lived in exile. And for some reason they clearly knew who the Westerners were. Grandfather spoke in surzhik, but not in show. And never, never divided into Russian and Ukrainian. About you do not have ... Bandera and the "truth" version of history .. Live well according to your version of history, the more you live already, what hurts? Are there any calls in Russia to go to war against you? You have such speakers. And in principle, as a historian, you should have at least a little understand the essence of the processes and causes of your situation. If you do not understand, then you are worthless as a "historian". Now the answer is openly-Ukrainians fought in Chechnya? As the answer will be, as a historian analyze and draw conclusions.
            4. Kuznetsov
              Kuznetsov 4 March 2014 01: 43
              -2
              Show me the responsible in Ukraine, who can also listen to go to war (!!!) in Russia. This is banal suicide.
              I perfectly understand the situation in Ukraine. in Chechnya, they fought with the citizenship of my country. Organized by Dmitry Korchinsky. The opposition and the Right Sector are not letting him in for a cannon shot. They demanded that he be detained by the past authorities for provocations. It didn’t kill him .... they beat us with chains and ran a bulldozer at the camera at VVshnikov. His power Yanyka released to flee to Transnistria. and ran under the guise of an amnesty. Despite the fact that this cattle on the wanted list in the Russian Federation comes regularly to visit you at rallies of young patriots. The person is vile and odious. Under Kuchma, in an era when Putin’s godfather Medvedchuk was the head of the presidential administration, he was even attached to some kind of broadcast on a television channel.
              I myself stood once in December around the VVshnikov and cadets of the Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in a cordon. Back to them. Protected from provocation. Frightened children were simple. A freak was caught 20 meters from me. Threw fireworks at them. They detained Maidan. They gave it to the cops. So they let him stsuki !!!!
              Bandera in Russia, as I understand it, is a collective concept. All Ukrainian nationalists are included in it. There are nationalists. definitely. Politics are influenced, but the influence is exaggerated. The Svoboda party showed nationalism only with embroidered shirts and trousers. It won in the Lviv region. Now they are terribly dissatisfied there. The cattle say. I don't see any chances of growth in popularity. They are now smoothly moving away from radical slogans in order to stay afloat. Also hunting for parliament ...
              My grandfather did not divide the nations either. Brotherly and all. I did not like when the neighbors interfere. Zapadentsev also did not favor. His brother was killed by UPA fighters there (fighters, militants ... bandits .. it doesn’t matter) and his daughter was with her grandfather upbringing until adulthood. But all this sharing has not yet begun to communicate closely. As you begin, you understand that everyone has common problems. And language is the latest. It is used as a bugaboo. In Kiev, horseradish you will find a normal Ukrainian-language newspaper. I must say I’m not looking. I don’t care what language to read. Even better in English. To practice was.
          2. savrog
            savrog 4 March 2014 09: 55
            0
            Grandfather fought against the Nazis and you take off for one WHO YOU AFTER THIS. The ancestor of your great chamber, and will not tell you anything, but how would you look at it?
          3. Kuznetsov
            Kuznetsov 4 March 2014 11: 48
            -3
            COMRADE. How much can you repeat !!! Yes, not the Nazis came to power in our country !!! What can be called a fascist Jew Yatsenyuk (prime minister) ??? how Klitschko can be called a fascist (you should have heard how he speaks bad Ukrainian). Tyagnybok is a walking political appendix and he is actively moving away from radicalism and Farion closed his mouth to his fool. The head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Avakov is a Kharkov citizen (also barely speaks Ukrainian). We have the head of the regional administration of the Dnipropetrovsk region. the new government put the Jew Kolomoisky (!?). Grandfather is not ashamed. For me, grandfather has more authority than parents. NOT ASHAMED!!! I myself do not like fascists, communists, ultranationalists. GUYS yes how you do not understand !!! IF THE NEWSPAPER IS CALLED THE TRUTH - THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY WRITE THE TRUTH !!!
          4. Rider
            Rider 4 March 2014 12: 42
            +1
            Quote: Kuznetsov
            COMRADE. How much can you repeat !!! Yes, not the Nazis came to power in our country !!!

            comrade, it’s enough to drive the blizzard, the aligarchs came to power, and the Nazis were their battering ram.
            Now the aligarhat are directly seated as governors.
            you can repeat as much as you like about the "free choice of the people" but the fact remains that Ukraine as a state did not survive, you are in danger of default and collapse.
            you cannot smear freedom for bread, and your western friends are in no hurry with loans.
            and those (if any) on predatory terms.

            Well, here's about "not fascists" in Kiev.

            http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/923/vgwa578.jpg

            admire.

            probably this is a provocation.
            laughing
          5. Kuznetsov
            Kuznetsov 4 March 2014 13: 10
            -2
            Where did you find such a damn thing? :))))))))) Was that a joke? or are you serious.
            Kiev city council. The building on Khreschatyk. I can go for the sake of you and other misinformed people to take a picture today or tomorrow. And in general, take a picture of the center of Kiev on your smart. Therefore, I can not vouch for the quality. I will poke holes in the walls from bullets, facades (including the Kiev Regional State Administration), etc.
            Just say yes / no. Although I am not far from relatively. But a couple of hours wasted reluctance.
          6. Rider
            Rider 4 March 2014 13: 19
            0
            Quote: Kuznetsov
            Where did you find such a damn thing? :))))))))) Was that a joke? or are you serious.

            recently posted on TopVar (well, that is)
            and the poster was probably already removed.
            but this thing doesn’t change.
            we heard vyskazaniya like "htoy do not jump that - matskal"
            or "matskalyaku to gilyaku"
            or "Bandera come - please navide"
            such cool things.

            Do you want to tell about the killed soldiers too?
            about the one to which the eye and hand were cut off.

            but this is not the most important thing, but the main thing is that your aligarhat directly decided to steer the country.
            So let's see where you go.

            Have a nice trip to default.
            laughing
          7. Kuznetsov
            Kuznetsov 4 March 2014 13: 42
            0
            "That is not a jump - that is." Students shouted for a couple of days. I heard it myself. They quickly changed their minds. Then they started shouting "Hto do not jump - that Azirov" (Azarov rudely distorted the Ukrainian language, for which he received the nickname Azirov, Bloodsucker (he wanted to say bloodsuckers in Ukrainian, but such crap came out in live broadcast)).

            "komunyaku on gillyaku" did not hear, but I can assume that they were shouting.

            "Bandera come - put things in order" did not exactly hear and I doubt that they were shouting. We would quickly lose support from Kiev.
            On the Maidan, about a hundred protesters have already died (many are slowly moving to a different world in hospitals) and about 15 people from mentor and explosives. Many protesters were shot on the same day. Lesions in the head and neck. They shot even the nurse. I feel sorry for everyone. Yanyk pushed us with his foreheads in order to stay on the chair. I definitely didn’t hear about the severed arm. Nobody used such atrocities to the VVshniks. They are just soldiers who were allowed to eat meat. I knew a knocked out eye at a golden eagle. But the self-defense of the Maidan gave him first aid and gave it to an ambulance. It is possible that the arm was amputated (creepy). In hospitals there are about five hundred protesters with injuries of varying severity. How many police do not know.

            With aligarhs, rotten meat can really come out. There was a power vacuum and it was decided to rush to fill it with "heavyweights". If so, I will go to the Maidan again. And so on until they begin to reckon with the people.

            But in Russia, monuments to Stalin are being erected. I don’t know about Russia, but in Ukraine the overwhelming majority of citizens hates Stalin. In general, everything stuck together for my grandmother into a common nightmare before Khrushchev. Holodomor, Germans, post-war workdays. They lived normally in the village only under Brezhnev. And then not immediately. My great-grandfather was "dispossessed". Survived 10 years in the Gulag.
          8. Rider
            Rider 4 March 2014 14: 00
            0
            Enough of demagogy,
            he heard, he did not hear.
            IT WAS AND IT FACT.
            as is the fact that these baderlogs were used to seize power.
            You can shout as much as you like that yanyk is a thief (and I completely agree with these), but to tear the country apart for the sake of planting the same thieves on the throne, hiding behind the words of "independence and freedom" is not the best way out.
            haven't eaten yet
            pulls all the rally?
            you say that There was a power vacuum and it was decided to rush to fill it with "heavyweights". If so, I will go to the Maidan again. And so on until they begin to reckon with the people.
            and so FIKH YOU, the Nazis will not let you roam, they will not obediently take down noise and hammer cocktails ... uh Bandera, of course. Well, but about the GULAGs, khokhlomors, etc., it’s not even interesting to read, since the population of “Ukrainians” was actively growing under the USSR ( despite all of the above) but with the onset of "nehzalezhnost" - it is also actively reduced.
          9. Rider
            Rider 4 March 2014 14: 07
            0
            Well, here's an interesting video for a change with "eagle snipers"

        3. Cynic
          Cynic 4 March 2014 14: 08
          +1
          Quote: Kuznetsov
          ... My great-grandfather was "dispossessed". Survived 10 years in the Gulag.

          Are you local at all?
          Constantly blunders in posts that stem from ignorance of the realities of life. This is not taught, for their knowledge you need to be born and live here.
          Have you not met the draft board?
        4. Rider
          Rider 4 March 2014 14: 20
          +1
          Quote: Cynic

          Are you local at all?
          Constantly blunders in posts that stem from ignorance of the realities of life.

          To be honest, I also got that feeling.
          but the point is not quite that.
          if it’s just a fooled, or misguided person, then after a couple of months without a salary (as it is being heated) it will resolve itself. will understand what they were led on the Maidan.
          if it is simply a "fighter of the invisible front," then the meaning of the discussion is completely lost.

          why should the wall say that it is brick, it will keep repeating all the time - whitewashed.

          and vaabsche, their country and live.
          still unmanaged - high slurping bucket.
          haven’t tasted for 20 years
        5. Cynic
          Cynic 4 March 2014 14: 38
          +1
          Quote: Rider
          but the point is not quite that.
          if it’s just a fooled, or misguided person, then

          This is precisely the point, a person sincerely defending his position (we will not clarify whether it is correct or not _ Everyone has their own truth) is one thing, but a person who consciously perverts events and lies for this ...
          In general, it’s clear what the conversation is about.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 4 March 2014 13: 55
    +2
    Quote: Kuznetsov
    What can be called a fascist Jew Yatsenyuk (prime minister) ???

    It is the Jews who are the fascists, their fascism is embedded in their religion, not the Germans invented fascism for themselves. Hitler was brought to power by the Zionists.
  • Kir
    Kir 4 March 2014 16: 50
    0
    Again, the same thing is not fascism and them, but rather national fascism, or something else like that, but considering how they relate to each other, it is rather a division by sects, or whatever they are called there. And with regards to the shikelgruber, so blind or paid does not notice that the Germans and Russians put him in the Scientific and Technical, and as a result in Economic development to surpass the Anglo-Saxon gang, that’s pitted us We know each other !!!
  • Ural guys
    Ural guys 3 March 2014 14: 34
    +3
    Fine. For 50 years, nothing has changed. Now we know the enemy by sight.
    How to learn to invoke German tanks we do not need. So we drove their grandfathers into the coffin, and we also drive these grandfathers there.
  • Ural guys
    Ural guys 3 March 2014 14: 34
    +1
    Fine. For 50 years, nothing has changed. Now we know the enemy by sight.
    How to learn to invoke German tanks we do not need. So we drove their grandfathers into the coffin, and we also drive these grandfathers there.
  • Viktor Shmagin
    Viktor Shmagin 3 March 2014 04: 41
    +1
    He lies again, at such an age it would be time to grow wiser, although it happens so, he was a young fool, aged, became an old fool, What didn’t get kicked when the mummies took
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 2 March 2014 20: 31
    +2
    These kids are from that breed of people who burned their hut to fry fried eggs. It is not necessary to wishful thinking and consider living in the East and Crimea. They understood everything right and we in Russia are the same. If the government is where people, by the way, all have a second passport, mostly American and pay taxes in Europe and the USA, which means all property and accounts are there, which is what we are talking about. The American ambassador orders you no worse than Gauleiter Koch. I always teach young people not to turn themselves into biomass for adventurers and crooks.
  • Kuznetsov
    Kuznetsov 3 March 2014 16: 51
    -2
    Well, after all, everyone who could afford it has money stored in Switzerland. But the children, after all, are not sent to Irkutsk or Kazan to study, but all to the eternally decaying bourgeois. I don’t know, comrade, like you, but it has already hesitated in my country. We do not have a Bender riot. I repeat. A rebellion against kleptomaniacs in power. For 3 years, our state debt has grown by the same amount as the capitals of dozens of leading aligarchs !!! They steal everything and take all bribes !! From the cop to the judge !!! It's unbearable. Maybe you are in the Russian Federation wrong? or have you put up with this?
  • savrog
    savrog 4 March 2014 10: 01
    0
    Your glad consists of the same oligarchs as there were current now under the fascist flags.
    Although the power in all the world is money first of all, "to be near the water and not to get drunk" and this will not fix anything, only the WORLD GREAT FLAME 3 then money will no longer be needed.
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 2 March 2014 21: 24
    +3
    Yes and ..... with them, with the ambassadors. Website ukr.net, there, for the ambassadors.
  • Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 2 March 2014 22: 48
    0
    Quote: Motors1991
    all consultations within the framework of G-8 have been discontinued.

    Yes, and to hell with them. Less than any, more with save.
  • Shur
    Shur 2 March 2014 23: 40
    +2
    You are the infantry and nothing more ... What do you think about higher matters? China, not China .. no need to catch up the horror and produce Western provocations. Go to the Maidan ..
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 3 March 2014 00: 55
    +3
    Yes nas.at us in the USA, Melkobritov and other trash.
    We will not lose much by leaving the G8. They will lose more. We finally have BRICS.
    We have everything that our detractors really need. They can’t take it by force ... they will agree, there’s no where else to go.
    And Motors, your views will not find a wide response on this resource.
    All officers have 1-2 higher educations and a lot of life experience. Your opus will find a hot response only to frostbitten with a bottle in his hand or from marginals such as liberals. Which, I’ll tell you a secret, we do not like to put it mildly.
  • Viktor Shmagin
    Viktor Shmagin 3 March 2014 04: 35
    0
    Lies again, notice how rude lies
  • ele1285
    ele1285 2 March 2014 17: 00
    +6
    Quote: xan
    Quote: Motors1991
    On Friday, at the All-China National Assembly, a bill was registered on the accession of the territories of Russia to China

    Serious people confirm such things with links without reminders.

    Yes, this is bullshit, I read some article on the digest of the Ukrainian press, I didn’t even pay attention to anything. But in the comments there was some idiot who wrote such a heresy. Moreover, the gag is complete. And this Motors1991 was bought like a Papuan in the mirror .I'm just too lazy to look, but this is from the series:
    In eastern Ukraine - anti-Putin rallies, participants - with St. George ribbons and regionals
    Sunday, March 02 2014, 14: 18. Ukrainian truth newspaper.
    Shizanutye shorter and without a brain
    1. Shur
      Shur 2 March 2014 23: 44
      +1
      Yes, he is the very "Papuan" .. Sadly, but they master the information material very quickly .. Degradation and special education affects. And in general, people have been hilling to the fullest for the last twenty years. Victim.
  • smile
    smile 2 March 2014 15: 52
    +12
    Motors1991
    Come on, we will survive. :))) We will survive. And do not console yourself with the geopolitical dreams of the Euro-fascists - they will not come true. By the way, what did you really like how the maydaunas actually destroyed Ukrainian statehood? :))) Did you like this independence? Are you warm, girl? Are you warm, blue?
    1. Motors1991
      Motors1991 2 March 2014 16: 15
      -29%
      Do you like Bandyukovich? And you in Russia think that all Ukraine dreams of returning a bandit and a kleptomaniac to the throne? I don’t really like the new government, just like any other, but between the bad and the very bad, any normal person chooses what is better.
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 2 March 2014 17: 05
        +12
        Quote: Motors1991
        but between bad and very bad, any normal person chooses what is better.

        A masterpiece of thought, I applaud. It’s like choosing between hanging or drowning you, and you ask, what is better?
      2. T-73
        T-73 2 March 2014 17: 32
        +4
        Quote: Motors1991
        I don’t really like the new government, like any other

        Anarchy - the mother of order? Somewhere I heard it already
      3. smile
        smile 2 March 2014 18: 16
        +5
        Motors1991
        I don’t like it at all. But he is much better. than thieves, bandits and simply fascists who seized power in Kiev. Precisely because a normal person chooses the first between the bad and the worse by an order of magnitude, there is doubt about your normality, excuse me.
      4. Cynic
        Cynic 2 March 2014 18: 30
        +6
        Quote: Motors1991
        any normal person chooses what is better.

        There is such a film, Belorussky Station. There is a scene where the young leader convinces the old accountant to sign a financial document that violates the instructions, motivating _ The instruction is outdated, etc.
        Having once broken the law, where do you stop?

        And yet, with the Maidan, more precisely with its dispersal, not everything is so clear. Analyze yourself a very strange picture is obtained.
        Well, at least _ Simple Maidan workers, who do not pose any threat, were dispersed literally at once and harshly, but those who replaced them and represented an immediate threat ...
        Or by the principle of _
        - Chukchi, do you even know how to read?
        - Chukchi, however, is not a reader. Chukchi is a writer.
      5. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 2 March 2014 22: 52
        +2
        Then forget the Russian language. Sew on a mov. Although it still works out - zig x ... eh.
      6. Shur
        Shur 2 March 2014 23: 47
        +1
        Yes? Did we choose it too? Just do not have a sore head .. for a healthy one. If you do not like the new government as the old, so what's the matter, on the Maidan with protests ..
      7. aviator_IAS
        aviator_IAS 3 March 2014 00: 33
        +1
        Quote: Motors1991
        Do you like Bandyukovich? And you in Russia think that all Ukraine dreams of the return of a bandit and a kleptomaniac to the throne

        You look who now in Rada chose. The same thieves of bandits, only plus also the Nazis. And who will you vote for in the election? There is really a circus of moral freaks. And I think there will be no elections. Sashko Bely will not allow it.
        Now everyone has already forgotten about Yanukovych. He is a political corpse. But de jure president of Ukraine. But do you really think that liberating the Kharkov administration, people climbed under the bullets of thugs for Yanyka. The people fought for their rights.
      8. Current 72
        Current 72 3 March 2014 01: 42
        +4
        Motors1991! So which side are you on? On the side of the western Maydanuty, or on the side of the eastern and Crimean Ukrainians. Decide. And you can’t swear by age, otherwise people say: grew up under the sky, and what is required.
      9. BYRY
        BYRY 4 March 2014 02: 48
        0
        Tell me, where did this de bella star come from. At what posts did he grab them? With such a concussion of the brain, there should be skulls for the whole epaulet.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 2 March 2014 16: 55
    +6
    Quote: Motors1991
    On Friday, at the All-China People's Meeting

    What's this? New Chinese Legislature?
    1. T-73
      T-73 2 March 2014 17: 34
      +5
      Quote: Setrac
      New Chinese Legislature

      maybe yes. Celestial Vech. A word for Tibet)))
      1. Shur
        Shur 2 March 2014 23: 52
        +1
        Eel laughing They don't like them and that's it. The most interesting thing is they endure .. well. I understand what it is when you are threatened on a national basis, I know that, I felt it myself. And I didn’t understand such “not to like”. I remember the same thugs in the Republic of Tatarstan calling to hang Russians and there was no time for jokes. Crowds of Tots activists and others were walking. Wait a little longer and this is waiting for you too .. I saw the eyes of these "people", I know that only force can stop them.
  • T-73
    T-73 2 March 2014 17: 24
    +3
    Quote: Motors1991
    At the All-China National Assembly, a bill was registered on the accession of the territories of Russia to China

    and Torli livened up !!! I thought they chewed snot, but no - they chewed)))
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 2 March 2014 18: 37
      +3
      Quote: T-73
      and Torli livened up !!!

      And where did you see the trolls _
      Trolling, rarely trolling - is a type of virtual communication in which one of the participants - the troll - instills anger, conflict, hidden or explicitly bullying, belittling, insulting another participant or participantat..

      There is a conversation about provocation at the state level.

      The fifth column in the face of the Influence Agents has revived, more precisely.
      hi
      1. T-73
        T-73 2 March 2014 19: 21
        +1
        Quote: Cynic
        There is a conversation about provocation at the state level.

        A conversation at the level of communication of individual people. I took it.
      2. Current 72
        Current 72 3 March 2014 01: 48
        +1
        ..... The fifth column in the person of Influence Agents has revived .... With this conclusion, I agree with you Cynic!
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 2 March 2014 20: 20
    +4
    Motors1991 - it’s sad, a set of stamps and a complete lack of thought, I strongly doubt that in eastern Ukraine we need troops, the people themselves will figure it out, the troops are not even needed against the military commander-in-chief, this jester has no units capable of fighting, troops are needed for in order to cool down the ardor of the democratizers, so that they know that little will appear, and the red line is not a drawing on the ground, this is the line with which they will begin to be destroyed, expertly, using modern means and they know very well that it will be so, and therefore scream . And 8 or 20, it’s the club of economies, they never expected Ukraine there, well, they won’t get together tomorrow, and God bless them, Russia will not have to spend money on the reception. It will be necessary to resort themselves to non-binding consultations that affect the rating in the media.
    1. Motors1991
      Motors1991 2 March 2014 20: 57
      -9
      Here I am about the same thing, how can we figure it out without you.
      1. Fin
        Fin 2 March 2014 21: 22
        +3
        Quote: Motors1991
        Here I am about the same thing, how can we figure it out without you.

        Since November, they have been waiting for you to figure it out. Figured out? You at least read the biographies of their new Gauleiters. Do you know what conceptual thinking is? In short, this is the ability to find a causal relationship and to predict further developments. It is a pity that at the age of 54 it did not develop.
      2. aviator_IAS
        aviator_IAS 3 March 2014 00: 36
        +1
        Quote: Motors1991
        Here I am about the same thing, how can we figure it out without you.

        Militants from Westernism? I don’t think that now people will endure it. We realized that there’s nowhere to retreat further.
      3. Current 72
        Current 72 3 March 2014 01: 51
        +2
        Motors! You already figured out by allowing this chaos, so be quiet in a rag and chew snot.
  • Shur
    Shur 2 March 2014 23: 34
    +2
    The eight without Russia is no longer an eight :) And who needs this eight without China? China is not so weak and shortsighted. Analysts in China warn about constant attempts to drive a wedge between Russia and China in light of the world redistribution (read "The article by the wise Chinese comrade Li Shenming" The world is on the verge of great changes and upheavals "published in the newspaper Huangqiu Newspaper shibao ", with my humble comments.
    More information at http://voprosik.net/kitajskie-analitiki-o-budushhem-peredele-mira/ © QUESTION ")
    Eight is an interest club, no interests, so why wipe your pants there?
  • Ustian
    Ustian 2 March 2014 15: 54
    +3
    Quote: morpex
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    when he bowed, see the head hit hard.

    I didn’t expect any other comment from such a demagogue as you. As always, the insulted insults.

    a statement!
  • T-73
    T-73 2 March 2014 17: 17
    +6
    Quote: morpex
    veiled

    interesting, but in the Ukrainian language there is such a word? Is it so historical? No, and never will be. Ukrainian is the first Esperanto. Artificial language with 80% of borrowings. Technical terms and latin do not take into account
  • Viktor Shmagin
    Viktor Shmagin 3 March 2014 04: 27
    +1
    And what did you expect for your comment, applause and respect
  • haron
    haron 2 March 2014 13: 34
    -34%
    ALEXANDER ROMANOV, as a person confident and understanding in politics, please answer me one question.
    The Baltic states, according to the Russians, are also randomly educated and Russians are being oppressed there, unlike Ukraine - so what are YOU RUSSIANS NOT RELEASING RUSSIANS IN THE BALTICS ?? !!
    I think that you don’t want to hang out with NATO, and indeed there are no bases and pipelines in the Baltic states. Russian in the Baltic you do not need.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 March 2014 13: 45
      +32
      Quote: haron
      Baltic states, according to Russians, is also a random education

      This is the land we bought from the Swedes!
      Quote: haron
      and Russians are being oppressed there, unlike Ukraine

      And there they are also oppressed in Ukraine, only now in Ukraine they are also being killed.
      Quote: haron
      - so why DO YOU RUSSIANS NOT RELEASE RUSSIANS IN THE BALTICS ?? !!

      The time will come to free when the Russians rise there, and they rise Russians in Estonia are ready to follow the example of Crimeans
      anaga.ru - 61% of Russian-speaking respondents were ready to take to the streets if a Russian riot began.
      then let's get in touch.
      Quote: haron
      I think you do not want to butt with NATO

      Yes, we put on your NATO.
      1. haron
        haron 2 March 2014 14: 27
        -30%
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And there they are also oppressed in Ukraine, only now in Ukraine they are also being killed.

        When and whom ??
        You read the answer of your consul in the Crimea that the murder of Russian lies.
        Yes, even if someone else was killed there, why did they take it to be banderlogs that no one allowed to go there.
        In general, the stump was found as they came up with.
        It is like a chemical weapon in Hussein.

        If they had not lied, but referred to the "invitation" of the Crimean parliament, it would have been clearer. Or, even better, to wait for the referendum - in reality it would have been too much for you.

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Russians in Estonia are ready to follow the example of Crimeans
        anaga.ru - 61% of Russian-speaking respondents were ready to take to the streets in the event of the start of a Russian riot.

        So the Balts, the Poles, the Czechs knowingly want to stick a missile defense system at their place.
        And at the expense of not killing in the Baltics is it you in vain. Do not give work on a national basis and leave for starvation dying is not a murder?
        1. family tree
          family tree 2 March 2014 15: 21
          +16
          Quote: haron
          And at the expense of not killing in the Baltics is it you in vain. Do not give work on a national basis and leave for starvation dying is not a murder?

          No, of course, this is worse, it is Nazism, precedents are examined by the Nuremberg Tribunal, the sentence is also passed, we will execute, we will report, as that.
        2. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul 2 March 2014 18: 14
          +9
          If they had not lied, but referred to the "invitation" of the Crimean parliament, it would have been clearer. Or, even better, to wait for the referendum - in reality it would have been too much for you.
          Go teach your EU, and we don’t need your advice. The Russians who liberated Eastern Europe from fascism, now it turns out, according to EU propaganda, were worse than the Nazis.
        3. Shur
          Shur 3 March 2014 00: 01
          +2
          So I understand you are a fighter for the rights of Russians in the Baltic States? If not, you get stupidly provoking your opponent in your "conversation" and no more
          Yes, everything has its time. Rejoiced and will be. It will reach the Russians in the Baltic. All satraps and a henchman of the United States, including the Nazis of the Baltic states, will be answered.
      2. Kir
        Kir 2 March 2014 15: 49
        +12
        Well, it’s probably worth reminding haron that in the same Riga until 1939 70% of the population were Germans, and the natives lived mainly on farms, and for the most part they were servants if they lived in the city, this is one thing, the other is that the eastern part It is populated by Russians, as Our lands are, and they even have some kind of name (they once knew one of them). In Lithuania, so forgive me for knowing either Polish or Lithuanian (in the old sense of the word) there were roots, and the capital Vilnius had a different Slavic Name, and in what other way I can squeeze, the Prussians are a Slavic tribe! Estonia, in general, is part of the Finnish lands, and part of the Russians, and the population is a mixture of Finns and Russians.
        So it turns out that in the minds of many Baltic states on the Slavic, or Finno-Ugric lands, and the whole division and "history of antiquities" is nothing more than a wildly politicized myth aimed at dismembering lands and quarreling kindred peoples !!!
        1. haron
          haron 2 March 2014 21: 42
          -12%
          Quote: Kir
          So it turns out that in the minds of many Baltic states on the Slavic, or Finno-Ugric lands, and the whole division and "history of antiquities" is nothing more than a wildly politicized myth aimed at dismembering lands and quarreling kindred peoples !!!

          What are you waiting for!
          Come on, liberate these lands and the Russians living there, drive the Estonians into farms and return the Germans to Riga. Oh yes! They are not Germans, remind them that they were Slavs 1000 years ago, introduce them to the historical truth, open their eyes to them.
          In mind, Russians in Crimea appeared on Potemkin’s bayonets only in the 18th century. So where is the historical succession of lands.
          You do not release the Russians in the Baltic states because you do not need a war with Europe, and Ukraine, with its bicopio, as a prostitute for extradition, decided to remember when she was a girl. So you decided that Sho Neher Baba was sitting idle, let him work for you until I gave myself to another.
          1. Rider
            Rider 2 March 2014 22: 48
            +5
            Quote: haron
            Come on, liberate these lands and the Russians living there, drive the Estonians into farms and return the Germans to Riga. Oh yes! They are not Germans, remind them that they were Slavs 1000 years ago, introduce them to the historical truth, open their eyes to them.

            this is kankretno to you with anger demolishes a tower.

            do not worry so, everything has its time.

            and you are waiting for a visit of Euro value.
          2. Fin
            Fin 2 March 2014 23: 03
            +2
            Quote: haron
            What are you waiting for!
            Come on, free these lands and Russians living there,

            How sausage you are with anger in the morning! Take a sedative at night, be less nervous and completely calm. Don't worry about us, everything has its time. Don’t rely on NATO - it’s a ghost, it seems like it is, as soon as a real threat arises, all the gaydoras will scatter home. They are a little smelly, and if diapers are not brought up on time, they will refuse to fight at all. I gave a link there a little earlier, read about the English "special forces". I still laugh!
          3. denort
            denort 2 March 2014 23: 07
            +2
            everything needs to be done in due time. and in the Baltic states will come ...
          4. Kir
            Kir 3 March 2014 01: 22
            +2
            (for haron-a)
            An eccentric does not need to suffer from foolishness, for example, I know perfectly well that Belarusians and Ukrainians (not Westerners), Poles and Lithuanians were together at the Rodnoverch holidays, give time and we will again become one, as well as the Slavs are not ascribed to them hatred of the Finns and Türks, only some do not want this and sow discord and hostility in every way !!!, one of them is beneficial to be at least tiny, But the Leader is a nest, the other has markets for his Mr., and at the same time have cheap labor, also, to a large extent, control over trade routes, a tribute to collect, by current duty.
            And according to Russians in Crimea, only in the 18th century lie, but don’t lie, and you were there before. this is one and the other and this is which side to this situation, eh? like a question arose in connection with Ukraine.
            And by the way, let me ask you what acre of flag and maybe permanent residence, do you relate to the Czech Republic, and at the same time to Ukraine?
        2. Shur
          Shur 3 March 2014 00: 04
          +2
          Yes, where are they, because they are writing history in the USA ..
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 2 March 2014 14: 03
      +18
      Quote: haron
      YOU RUSSIANS DO NOT RELEASE RUSSIANS IN THE BALTIC ?? !!


      jokes are over, next stop is Brussels
      1. haron
        haron 2 March 2014 14: 30
        -22%
        Quote: seller trucks
        next stop brussels

        If Brussels is Soviet land, then what about Prague?

        It painfully reminds me of a speech about the homeland of the Gott in the south of Ukraine and the need to return it to itself.
        1. T-73
          T-73 2 March 2014 18: 01
          +9
          Quote: haron
          If Brussels is Soviet land

          what does it mean if?)))
        2. delfinN
          delfinN 2 March 2014 18: 13
          +13
          Aw, Czechs, you have not forgotten that our little gold was stolen when we had the same mess 100 years ago. We always come for our money.
          1. Salamander
            Salamander 2 March 2014 20: 57
            +6
            Yes, I have to call on the road wink
        3. Ural guys
          Ural guys 3 March 2014 14: 37
          0
          By the way, it is the Russian land. Read the story.
        4. Ural guys
          Ural guys 3 March 2014 14: 37
          0
          By the way, it is the Russian land. Read the story.
    3. Fin
      Fin 2 March 2014 15: 34
      +12
      Quote: haron
      The Baltic states, according to the Russians, are also randomly educated and Russians are being oppressed there, unlike Ukraine - so what are YOU RUSSIANS NOT RELEASING RUSSIANS IN THE BALTICS ?? !!
      I think that you don’t want to hang out with NATO, and indeed there are no bases and pipelines in the Baltic states. Russian in the Baltic you do not need.

      Do not worry, the turn will come. Everything will be hard at once. Do not tell NATO, it is worth bombing factories producing diapers and start a war in winter http://politikus.ru/events/13841-angliyskie-morpehi-primerzli-k-podguznikam-i-ot
      kazalis-ot-uchastiya-v-ucheniyah.html laughing
      1. Rider
        Rider 2 March 2014 22: 55
        +5
        Quote: Fin
        it is worth bombing factories producing diapers and start a war in winter

        oh yyaaa not mozhuuuuu !!!
        (I fight in convulsions on the table)
        i (ki) are frozen
        wassat

        nuuuu bliiinn ...

        By the way, oh and terrible women in Norway, at first I thought that this was a man.

        although it may have been before.
    4. Yars
      Yars 2 March 2014 17: 19
      +16
      and in Ukraine, not only Russians are asking for help from Russia, but also Ukrainians
    5. aviator_IAS
      aviator_IAS 3 March 2014 00: 41
      +1
      The people are now intimidated in the Baltic states. As soon as he realizes that it is possible and necessary to fight for his rights, he will achieve a better life. Even within the borders of existing states.
  • ele1285
    ele1285 2 March 2014 12: 47
    +20
    Quote: morpex
    There, in the Kremlin, they do not consider us brothers.

    I still do not understand why Ukrainians so stubbornly separate themselves from Russians. One country - one people. Only in unity is our strength.
    And then for the medal
    1. morpex
      morpex 2 March 2014 13: 05
      -23%
      Quote: ele1285
      One country - one people. Only in unity is our strength.

      So that’s the whole point, Sasha! I, too, have always believed and think so. But can this be done in this way? Remember the Pereyaslav Rada, Khmelnitsky! Even in those much more troubled times, the Russian Tsar acted as an intelligent and far-sighted politician, which cannot be said about the current Tsar of Russia ...
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 2 March 2014 13: 25
        +22
        Quote: morpex
        Remember the Pereyaslav Rada, Khmelnitsky! But how can this be possible?

        Of course, Valera, I don’t remember Pereyaslav Rada, I only know from books. And it’s not about GDP. Is it the business of yourself. Did Putin occupy Ukraine? Or is Russia proposing to cut you out? Tell me, did Russia do anything bad to you? Look, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Poland are not at all opposed to seizing pieces of territory from Ukraine. But they are silent about them. Is it because of NATO? Or because Vitaly Bundesverovich Klitschko is a German protege? You yourself have to decide who you are. You want to be independent, but the question is from whom? I respect your opinion, but it's up to you. Now it’s not the 17th century, and Russia is dependent on the world economy and the dollar, only penguins in Antarctica are completely independent.
        My father-in-law and my mother-in-law live in Yekaterinoslav, they have already been told - don’t expect a pension in the coming months. What will they live on? Or Arsenyuk’s authorities will deliver food to their homes and cancel utility bills? What will most people feed their children? Or become like Sashko Bely? I, for example, do not understand what methods the Ukrainians offer. Try to reasonably explain.
        1. morpex
          morpex 2 March 2014 14: 02
          -11%
          Quote: ele1285
          Look, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Poland absolutely do not mind to grab pieces of territory from Ukraine.

          If the aforementioned "friends" climbed into Ukraine with weapons, I would only welcome military assistance to Russia. But by bringing troops to Crimea, Putin worked to a greater extent on their side. What a trump card he gave to the West and the United States! I repeat once again that this is A monstrous mistake. Wait a month or two for Putin and our revolutionaries would have gnawed each other's throats themselves. As it was already in 2004.
          1. family tree
            family tree 2 March 2014 14: 27
            +11
            Quote: morpex
            If the aforementioned "friends" climbed into Ukraine with weapons, I would only welcome the military assistance of Russia. But by bringing troops into Crimea, Putin worked to a greater extent on their side

            Achoa? Already entered? It seems so far only the Commander-in-Chief has untied his hands, so this is for efficiency. Then, if cho, there will be no time to confer. And the fact that in the Seva Marines, so we are our guard, we have the right.
            ps Not. I haven’t been here for three hours, request unscheduled "Day of the Tinsmith", a friend put a "loaf" on its side on the ice, told him that thorns are not a panacea.
          2. ele1285
            ele1285 2 March 2014 14: 31
            +13
            Quote: morpex
            Wait Putin a month or two, and our revolutionaries would gnaw each other's throats themselves. As it was in 2004.

            Valera, GDP doesn’t climb, as all politicians have stated their position, the Americans did exactly the same with the EU. Let your revolutionaries bite and divide their portfolios, as it was in 04. Have you started to live better after that bite? And we are in Russia at least certainly not worse. And why did you attack Putin so much? Would your impulse and energy be in the 91 year, against the collapse of the Union. And then Valera, have you ever been to Sevastopol? Most of the people there think that they are Russia, and not like Ukraine. And they, too, just like most, want a normal life, and not depend on the fool of the Maidan.
          3. T-73
            T-73 2 March 2014 18: 34
            +5
            Quote: morpex
            But Putin, to a greater extent, worked to their side by bringing troops into the Crimea. What a trump card he gave to the West and the USA! Once again I repeat that this is a monstrous mistake.

            Yeah, the troops entered. I’ll tell you in secret that in Russia there is general mobilization !!! I'm at the moment blowing dust off a warrior
          4. infinite silence ...
            infinite silence ... 2 March 2014 23: 23
            +3
            http://www.anti-nato.com/foto/fotoalbom-prestupleniya-nato.html

            Look ... Everything is developing according to this scenario for us ... This is not 2004 already ...
          5. Shur
            Shur 3 March 2014 00: 14
            +1
            Why are you just about Russia, and how many wonderful "mistakes" have American democrats made? Do you think you are more aware of the situation than GDP?
            Yes, anything can be blamed on GDP for the economy, etc., but he is a security officer, and not you. Geopolitics is not always a visible and logical part of politics.
            In Crimea, so the base of Russia and in your GDP cannot protect its base? Yah? And what trump card did he give US? There are already trunks under the table and cards speckled in the face flying, and you're talking about trump cards. Everything is more serious if you do not understand.
          6. Gomunkul
            Gomunkul 3 March 2014 09: 58
            0
            If the aforementioned "friends" climbed into Ukraine with weapons, I would only welcome military assistance from Russia.
            Then it would be too late to send troops to Ukraine in Russia, this is a war with NATO. hi
          7. Gomunkul
            Gomunkul 3 March 2014 09: 58
            0
            If the aforementioned "friends" climbed into Ukraine with weapons, I would only welcome military assistance from Russia.
            Then it would be too late to send troops to Ukraine in Russia, this is a war with NATO. hi
        2. infinite silence ...
          infinite silence ... 2 March 2014 23: 14
          +7
          No hairstyle, no looks ...
          Quote: ele1285
          Arsenyuk’s power will deliver food to homes and cancel utility bills


          One of the conditions of the agreement with the EU is the increase in utility bills by 7 (!) Times and the abolition of privileged categories (free travel for pensioners, labor veterans) ... This cannot be explained ...
      2. homosum20
        homosum20 2 March 2014 13: 47
        +10
        Getman Mazepu better remember.
      3. housekeeper
        housekeeper 2 March 2014 15: 03
        +26
        But is it possible in this way? Remember the Pereyaslav Rada, Khmelnitsky! Even in those much more troubled times, the Russian Tsar acted as an intelligent and far-sighted politician, which cannot be said about the current Tsar of Russia ...
        How is that? Ukraine has a legally elected President who asked for help from a neighboring state. Everyone knows what this President is, but the legal formalities have been met. Who authorized a handful of impostors in Kiev to speak on behalf of the people of Ukraine? Maidan? Clinical Russophobes throughout Ukraine? And they asked the rest of the inhabitants of Ukraine about this? Or are they cattle and slaves and there is no need to reckon with them? Yes, we were silent in the hope that all this would be settled, that common sense would wake up in the heads of the "Maidan". But our patience is also not unlimited. Why should a bunch of Natsiks show how to live for the whole of Ukraine? Why are the flags of the EU, Poland, Georgia on the Maidan normal and the flags of Russia in Odessa, Nikolaev, Crimea, Dnepropetrovsk, Donetsk, Lugansk, Kharkov are separatism? There was a photo from the Maidan barricades with the slogan "Understand, we are sick and tired!" So you understand us, we are also "ZADOLBALO !!!"
        PS I wrote and realized that this answer is probably not for you personally, but for everyone who is screaming about the occupation of Ukraine. So I apologize if I hurt you hi but then "Ostap suffered" already laughing
        1. T-73
          T-73 2 March 2014 18: 37
          +3
          I wanted to quote something, but this is superfluous, there is nothing to add. Just +
        2. morpex
          morpex 2 March 2014 20: 15
          -5
          Quote: little house
          Which one? Ukraine has a legally elected President who asked for help from a neighboring state

          You are a smart person! Do you not understand that this is only a formality? Like the protection of the Russian population, it’s also a myth. I don’t know the real reason, but I’ll try to name two three that you won’t be told on TV.
          A small victorious war is an expression used in January 1904 by Vyacheslav Konstantinovich Plehve, the Russian minister of the interior and chief of the gendarmes in relation to the impending war with Japan: “To keep the revolution, we need a small victorious war.” This expression was later used in similar cases when the government of the country, which turned out to be untenable in domestic politics, tries to divert the attention of its people from this fact by unleashing just such a "small victorious war."
          Most likely, the demarche towards the Crimea was undertaken in order to slightly cool China with its plans for the Crimea (the construction of a large port right next to the Black Sea squadron was already an almost settled issue) bypassing Russia. And by the way, this may be the main reason. After all, China is not bad He took a piece of land from the silly, who calls you "legitimate" president.
          Effects? I will not name the worst. In a better case, that is, provided that the world, so to speak, community swallows this demarche.
          Russia gets another subsidized region with separatist sentiments. Really? Yes.
          1. morpex
            morpex 2 March 2014 20: 54
            -8
            Quote: morpex
            Effects?

            But Putin, with his ill-considered actions, created yet another precedent. Get pzhalst. This is already serious:
            . A draft law on the accession of Russian territories to China was registered at the all-China people's representatives ’meeting, MP Sun Wan Han presented it at a meeting on Friday, reports with reference to the Chinese CCTV channel.
            As indicated in the document, admission to the People’s Republic of China as a new subject of a part of a foreign state is also possible in the absence of an international agreement on this, if:

            1) a referendum was held in the part of a foreign state at which the issue of joining China will receive approval;
            2) is the appeal to China of legitimate public authorities in part of a foreign state.

            "The procedure will be as follows: the initiator of the proposal - state authorities in a part of a foreign state apply to the Government of China. The Government informs the National People's Congress of this, the Government of China consults with them. If it agrees with the proposal, it submits a draft constitutional law on the adoption of a part of a foreign state. to the People's Republic of China, which determines the status, name and other legal issues, "Wan Han said.

            In addition, she proposed another bill - to simplify the acquisition of Chinese citizenship for residents of Russia.

            "A simplified procedure for admission to citizenship for Russian citizens is being introduced. What is the simplification: requirements related to the need to reside in China, the presence of a legal source of livelihood, renunciation of Russian citizenship, the period for obtaining citizenship is 2 months, not a year. These are removed. the bills can become an instrument of the geopolitical relevance of Greater China, "says Sun Wan Han.

            Recall that Russia sent its troops into Ukraine allegedly with the aim of protecting ethnic Russians and the Russian-speaking population from encroachment and physical violence.
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 2 March 2014 21: 21
              +4
              Quote: morpex
              Recall that Russia sent its troops into Ukraine allegedly with the aim of protecting ethnic Russians and the Russian-speaking population from encroachment and physical violence.

              And if you quote in full?
              APPEAL OF THE FEDERATION COUNCIL OF THE FEDERATION OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION VV PUTIN ON THE PROTECTION OF CITIZENS OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION IN UKRAINE
              Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich!
              The Council of the Federation of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation, emphasizing that for many centuries the fraternal peoples of Russia and Ukraine have lived in peace and harmony, noting that the refusal to fulfill the Agreement on normalizing the situation in Ukraine of February 21, 2014 poses a real threat of bloodshed in the eastern and southern areas of Ukraine and humanitarian disaster throughout the country, Taking into account the repeated appeals of the authorities of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the citizens of the Russian Federation living in Crimea, dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, is calling on you to take comprehensive measures to protect the life and safety of citizens of the Russian Federation living in Ukraine, our compatriots and personnel of the military contingent of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation located in Ukraine.
              Council of the Federation
              Federal Assembly
              Russian Federation
              Moscow March 1, 2014


              It sounds a little different. and if you mention the words of Yanukovych at the conference ...
              Yes, we can say _ He is not the president, not the president.
              So which one did not immediately impeach? Words don’t know this? Or does the earth burn underfoot, since in fact almost defeating them they began an adventure?
              1. Olegovi4
                Olegovi4 2 March 2014 23: 00
                +4
                Yes, they are not accustomed to read, or are already weaned. Have they read the document on European integration? What for? After all, there are "golden mountains". And then some piece of paper is Moscow ...
            2. housekeeper
              housekeeper 3 March 2014 00: 49
              +2
              Recall that Russia sent its troops into Ukraine allegedly with the aim of protecting ethnic Russians and the Russian-speaking population from encroachment and physical violence.
              We will remind you without the "supposedly". Is it possible that the Chinese living in Russia are threatened with violence? Or are they increasingly hearing the slogans "suitcase-train station-beijing"? And in Ukraine, more and more often "suitcase-station-Moscow", "mos ... willow on knives", "glory to the nation, death to enemies" are heard (who is meant by the enemy to be explained?). Have you ever heard the slogan "Ukraine for a mustache"? So this is an exact copy of the slogan "Deutschland über alles". And do not tell me when and by whom he was last massively voiced? And why do they impose on me the captain of the 201st Schutzmanschaft battalion Shukhevych and the SS Galicia division as "heroes"? What should you call all this? And how to proceed in such cases?
          2. Salamander
            Salamander 2 March 2014 21: 07
            +4
            Quote: morpex
            Do you not understand that this is only a formality? Like the protection of the Russian population is also a myth.


            And have there ever been wars ONLY "in defense of the population" ??? I hope you are an intelligent person and understand that there must always be a good reason for an entire state to start a war.

            Quote: morpex
            Russia gets another subsidized region with separatist sentiments. Really? Yes.


            What are you saying! Open Wikipedia:

            The economy of Crimea.
            The main industries are industry (more than 530 large and medium-sized enterprises), tourism (Western Crimea, Southern Coast of Crimea, Eastern Crimea).
            The average net salary in the Crimea for 2013 amounted to 2854 hryvnias (UAH) or 250 euros (EUR) (not bad for Ukraine).
            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AD%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0

            %B0_%D0%9A%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BC%D0%B0

            They will not die of hunger, do not be afraid. They can feed themselves calmly, and tourism will only grow.
          3. housekeeper
            housekeeper 3 March 2014 00: 22
            +2
            Effects? I will not name the worst. In a better case, that is, provided that the world, so to speak, community swallows this demarche.
            Russia gets another subsidized region with separatist sentiments. Really? Yes.
            No, it's possible. But in the case of non-intervention to get a crowd of refugees on its territory, this is real. And which is better?
          4. AVIATOR36662
            AVIATOR36662 3 March 2014 02: 06
            +2
            We will make "candy" from Crimea, it will be more beautiful than Sochi! It will be super profitable!
      4. Rider
        Rider 2 March 2014 23: 09
        +3
        Quote: morpex
        But is it possible in this way? Remember the Pereyaslav Rada, Khmelnitsky!

        but remember that this was preceded by the enslavement of Ukrainians by the West (though they weren’t there then, but we will consider Ukrainians) persecution on faith, cutting out dissenting FOREIGN INTERVENTION.

        it turns out to you what prerequisites are needed.

        BRAVO Valera!
        Natsik West applaud you standing.
        1. Salamander
          Salamander 3 March 2014 20: 31
          +1
          Quote: morpex
          But is it possible in this way? Remember the Pereyaslav Rada, Khmelnitsky!


          I especially "admire" the fact that there are 2 types of condemnation of the entry of Russian troops into Ukraine: bad - entered early and bad - late entered! Wherever you throw - everywhere a wedge laughing
      5. aviator_IAS
        aviator_IAS 3 March 2014 00: 53
        +1
        Quote: morpex
        After all, I also always believed and think so. But is it possible in this way?

        It is possible that from the outside it seems that the GDP arrived in a hurry, and it was necessary to give these clowns in the Rada screw up to the fullest. After all, it is now clear that they do not control anything and no one. At first, I also thought that the rush was not needed here. But firstly, I didn’t have all the information that was available to the president, and secondly, when the lawlessness was wild, many residents of the south-east of Ukraine turned to various authorities, including the GDP, asking for protection. And various media outlets unanimously reiterated that Putin turned in the Russians. I wonder why the Ukrainian army did not respond to these requests. And now they have even announced mobilization - to fight with their people. I am generally silent about the SBU - there has already been a CIA branch there since Yushchenko (and most likely earlier).
    2. Duke
      Duke 2 March 2014 13: 59
      +4
      Alexander, I completely agree with you.
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    4. denort
      denort 2 March 2014 23: 08
      0
      Well, the Americans are already preparing for this - they shot the film "Assault on the White House"
    5. ssn
      ssn 2 March 2014 23: 55
      +4
      I am Ukrainian, and I will never forgive the communists for an amnesty for banderlogs. They needed to bring their totalitarianism to its logical conclusion, and not play peace. And glyadish and mom Bear Hunchback would have gone for an abortion.
    6. ssn
      ssn 2 March 2014 23: 55
      +3
      I am Ukrainian, and I will never forgive the communists for an amnesty for banderlogs. They needed to bring their totalitarianism to its logical conclusion, and not play peace. And glyadish and mom Bear Hunchback would have gone for an abortion.
  • smile
    smile 2 March 2014 13: 00
    +23
    morpex
    What, the evil Kremlin came up with Bandera, right? Or do you think that Bandera is the Ukrainians? Or do you think that the evil Kremlin has no right to protect the Russians? And that is exactly the official policy of the Kremlin ... There, in the Kremlin. Ukrainians are considered part of the Russian people, and rightly so. but they oppose the American puppets, nostalgic for the Nazi past, to destroy the Russians and Ukrainians .. to kill Ukraine, which is already agonizing ... What, is this very bad? And whose brother are you yourself? Are you sure that you yourself are a real Ukrainian? And now, bow to our lying, overgrown urrrod .... what themselves?
    I’m not sure that you are Ukrainian ... my Ukrainian relatives despise your kind. Have seen enough already - and in 44-45, and after 91 ...
    1. morpex
      morpex 2 March 2014 13: 21
      -15%
      Quote: smile
      Have seen enough already - both in 44-45, and after 91 ...

      look for your relatives. My relatives are fine. One lies under Sevastopol, the other rests in the waters of the Baltic Sea, the third without legs after the Balaton. Thank God the Fourth is still alive. He fought with 41 by 48. And with Bandera, real, not those that Putin and Co. fear you.
      I also honestly gave my debt to the Motherland of the USSR in due time. And I know what war is and what it is eaten with. And it is not for you Mr. "mummer marshal" to offend me here with Bandera. Be sure. I AM UKRAINIAN. And I am proud of it. This is mine. Motherland. Here are my ancestors. They probably turn over in their graves from the actions of their brothers. I repeat again, I am not an enemy of Russia and Russians. I am an enemy of the government that rules you.
      1. smile
        smile 2 March 2014 15: 14
        +14
        morpex
        Don’t worry, I also know what war is, a lieutenant general no less mumbled. And my grandfather was also wounded near Balaton, and so my and your grandfather, to put it mildly, didn’t react well to your independent feelings ... very bad, and you don’t pretend that you don’t know this, don’t cover your grandfathers with ideas against which our grandfathers were at war.
        And our government is not perfect ... but there are no fascists. And if you share Bandera’s ideas about independence, then you are their free or involuntary accomplice. although, apparently, you don’t understand this.
        1. morpex
          morpex 2 March 2014 18: 10
          -8
          Quote: smile
          Don't worry i

          I can’t help but worry .. Vladimir would like to, but I can’t ..
          Quote: smile
          and my and your grandfather, to put it mildly, didn’t react well to your independent moods ... very bad, and you don’t pretend you don’t know this,

          I have never denied the obvious. But it is not our fault that by the will of one UPYR (Gorbachev) and three ORKs (EBN, Koavchuk and Shushkevich) we ended up on different sides and in different countries. But my grandfather, who is now 91 years old, is an old communist and the soldier cried today when he learned about Putin's monstrous act. Silently cried. He told me still a little boy that where you live and where your ancestors rest, there is your HOMELAND. And you don't need to "liberate" me. You brought me with your "liberation" war. War in my house. Your back will not be turned on by Putin. And you know what.
          Quote: smile
          And if you share Bandera’s ideas about independence,

          Vladimir. Maybe enough about Bandera? You’re just like your television. I’ve said a hundred times how many Bandera people we have and what their real strength is. We took off ourselves so far and would have done it now.
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 2 March 2014 21: 35
            +5
            Nope, they didn’t do it, and don’t do it. Harnessed for a long time (if harnessed at all), and the East of Ukraine would not have risen if it had not been for the last actions of Russia. And so far, not a drop of blood has been spilled in the Crimea, but all because there are people with weapons there, and they know how to handle them and when to put them into business, unlike frostbite scum from your West.
            Look at the facts in person, and do not be touched by your belonging to the country Ukraine, which is incompetent, alas.
          2. denort
            denort 2 March 2014 23: 17
            +3
            how do you deal with them if the Americans staged a coup d'etat and reshaped the entire power vertical? take a gun and partisan in the woods?
          3. Rider
            Rider 2 March 2014 23: 22
            +3
            Quote: morpex
            You brought the war with your "liberation". The war is in my house. Putin won't turn on the back of yours. And you know what.

            hello marine!
            what war ?! WHERE DO YOU SEE THE RUSSIAN TROOPS? !!!
            (well, except Crimea, of course)
            WELL WHERE?
            you should worry more about the fact that your acting condom ... uh denta.
            appointed ALIGARCHES governors
            like that, those who robbed you will rule you.

            read for the sake of interest who are you going to protect
            http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/232898-narodnyy-gubernator-donecka-prizval-
            k-soprotivleniyu-oligarham.html
            1. family tree
              family tree 2 March 2014 23: 37
              +7
              read for the sake of interest who are you going to protect

              I will add. Kiev february 2014
          4. Shur
            Shur 3 March 2014 00: 26
            +4
            Listen .. You are our fraternal brother. Didn't you silently skip it famously to our border !!! Aren't your "fellow citizens" now boasting of "feats" in Chechnya? Enough already pointing the finger at the "extreme". Not in the EU, but the NATO buffer and companies pulled you and it is not necessary to say that you are so naive and did not realize. !!! Stop tearing your shirt. Late. You failed and never in the history of Russia could not cope. And admit that you turned away first .. And not only you. Asia is full of the same. That's where the fried smells and the charges of betraying Russia go too.
          5. Shur
            Shur 3 March 2014 00: 37
            +2
            I have a sister in Volnyansky district and I didn’t just pass by here. Let's honestly turn your back, and we waved away. And today, Russia is helping Ukraine economically, and not vice versa. Before, you let the enemy go, not us in Russia. In Russia, they fought with separatists, Nazis and just terrorists all these years. We have a lot of young people who fought for our country against terrorists paid by the West. Do not blame Russia for the war, do not. First, let's see who has already shot and who is now calling to fight. Yes, and we will not forget those who organized all this for you, well aware of the consequences.
      2. Fin
        Fin 2 March 2014 15: 48
        +6
        Quote: morpex
        Here my ancestors lie. Which in a coffin probably turn over from the actions of their brothers.

        Do you think they would approve of the actions of Natsik on the Maidan?
      3. xan
        xan 2 March 2014 16: 01
        +11
        Quote: morpex
        I am UKRAINIAN. And proud of it.

        There will be a referendum in Crimea, and Crimeans will speak out on it. And you want to leave them to live in Ukraine. Why force them? You do not find that it is not democratic? Are you Crimean? If not, then what's the difference? Continue to be proud of your Ukrainians, but you don’t need to impose your Ukrainians on other people — those who were in Crimea, especially in Sevastopol, know that Ukrainians are not held in high esteem there.
        1. morpex
          morpex 2 March 2014 18: 24
          -3
          Quote: xan
          Quote: morpex
          I am UKRAINIAN. And proud of it.

          There will be a referendum in Crimea, and Crimeans will speak out on it. And you want to leave them to live in Ukraine. Why force them? You do not find that it is not democratic? Are you Crimean? If not, then what's the difference? Continue to be proud of your Ukrainians, but you don’t need to impose your Ukrainians on other people — those who were in Crimea, especially in Sevastopol, know that Ukrainians are not held in high esteem there.

          And that without the use of force, this cannot be done? And what did ruukim live in Crimea before? Yes, I am not a resident of Crimea. But I went there every year to rest. And to Sevastopol and Feodosia and Saki. I traveled all over Crimea. I met only hospitality from Russians, Tatars and Greeks. I didn’t hide my Ukrainians. I talked with I’m fluent in Kharkiv surzhik. I perfectly know both Russian and Ukrainian. I haven’t met any kind of language infringement. And I haven’t seen Bandera there, and now they’re not there. I called my friends, not that they wave flags, simple Crimeans. They always supported Russia. And now they have a shock and horror from happening a box. They don’t know how to live further. Will you help? I doubt it. Google it. Look at what's happening in Abkhazia with the infrastructure at the famous resorts. Surprise. I'm afraid that the same thing will happen to Crimea ..
          1. T-73
            T-73 2 March 2014 18: 43
            +2
            Quote: morpex
            And what did ruukim live in Crimea before?

            I could insert my 5 cents in this topic, but too much. Crimea is not Ukraine de facto. Sorry de jure
          2. ele1285
            ele1285 2 March 2014 19: 00
            +2
            Quote: morpex
            I am fluent in Russian and Ukrainian.

            I don’t know how in Ukrainian, but in Russian, mind you, throughout the Union, this is the opinion of Soviet philologists and linguists, only ONE person spoke absolutely correctly - Academician Likhachev. So that pride is a mortal sin.
            1. morpex
              morpex 2 March 2014 19: 05
              0
              Quote: ele1285
              So that pride is a mortal sin.

              I repent San. laughing For there is such a sin ...
          3. tank64rus
            tank64rus 2 March 2014 20: 49
            +3
            I was in Abkhazia this year, but many Georgians ruined them, went to the grave where the lads were buried and prayed. In the 90s, then they prepared the battalion Eternal to them. Nothing Abkhazians are being built slowly. It’s hard for them but they try. And as for Bandera, you don’t need to touch this topic better. My uncle from Western Ukraine rose to the rank of lieutenant general. In 1947, his brother, along with his whole family, was cut out by Bandera and did not spare even a 6-month-old baby. A soldier must kill as necessary, but he kills the enemy, and defenseless people are the executioner. And yet you probably weren’t in the world, but I already drove people to the 4th Chernobyl unit to die for the sake of Ukraine. But fascism is worse, it is radiation in the brains of people and not in a power unit.
          4. tank64rus
            tank64rus 2 March 2014 20: 49
            +2
            I was in Abkhazia this year, but many Georgians ruined them, went to the grave where the lads were buried and prayed. In the 90s, then they prepared the battalion Eternal to them. Nothing Abkhazians are being built slowly. It’s hard for them but they try. And as for Bandera, you don’t need to touch this topic better. My uncle from Western Ukraine rose to the rank of lieutenant general. In 1947, his brother, along with his whole family, was cut out by Bandera and did not spare even a 6-month-old baby. A soldier must kill as necessary, but he kills the enemy, and defenseless people are the executioner. And yet you probably weren’t in the world, but I already drove people to the 4th Chernobyl unit to die for the sake of Ukraine. But fascism is worse, it is radiation in the brains of people and not in a power unit.
          5. Dovmont
            Dovmont 2 March 2014 23: 12
            +4
            morpex! Do you really think that the reunification of Crimea with Russia will bring him only ruin? And what has Ukraine given to Crimea over these 25 years? AND? Everything that was built from industry under the Union (my childhood passed in the Crimea and these construction projects were in front of my eyes) is all profanely non-polluting! In my native Armyansk there were 2 large industrial enterprises: aniline-paint and titanium-magnesium plants, in the neighboring Krasnoperekopsk a soda factory worked. There was enough work for all Crimeans, and now what? Everything is ruined! I believe that historical justice should triumph and Crimea, Donetsk, Odessa, Nikolayevshchina should return to Russia. Moreover, these territories have never belonged to Ukraine, but at different times were transferred from Russia by tGotsky, Wart and drunk Eltsin
          6. denort
            denort 2 March 2014 23: 20
            +1
            shock and horror can only come from the realization of the inevitable war between America and Russia. this is normal, nothing can be done, people don’t want war. but Hitler at one time did not ask people either - he simply took over and began to kill.
          7. Rider
            Rider 2 March 2014 23: 24
            +1
            Quote: morpex
            Look what is happening in Abkhazia with the infrastructure at the famous resorts. Surprise. I'm afraid that the same will happen with Crimea ..

            can you prove that it got worse?
            worse than when and compared to what?
            or do you think that under the control of the Natsik Ukraine would flourish?

            nhhhhh ...
            your hoh ... uh uh Ukrainian belief in freebies, worse than Russian "maybe"
            1. morpex
              morpex 3 March 2014 15: 24
              -2
              Quote: Rider
              can you prove that it got worse?

              Yes, it’s easy. On those. Look. You can google yourself.


              pic.twitter.com/qADQQrB9Nw "
              http://dobry-sosed.livejournal.com/4866.html

              http://nasha-canada.livejournal.com/1408144.html
              Poverty and sluggish conflict ..
              1. Rider
                Rider 3 March 2014 15: 54
                +1
                Quote: morpex
                Yes, it’s easy. On those. Look. You can google yourself.

                oooh tweeter and LiveJournal, et - well, just ARGUMENTSHCHISCHE.
                (besides they do not open from the short circuit laughing )


                By the way, I asked for an ANALYSIS, the development of these resorts if they remained part of Georgia.
                where is the confidence that fat would be better?

                But how do you manage the aligarchs?
                get gang?

                and slipping info about the arrival of foreign mercenaries in Kiev, and the transfer of Polish armored vehicles to the border?

                so who is going to fight with, Marine?

                is it time to decide.
              2. morpex
                morpex 4 March 2014 13: 34
                0
                Quote: Rider
                so who is going to fight with, Marine?

                I? Fight? Hello. Arrived .. Is it me who invaded the territory of an independent state? Is it my media to pour mud on 24 hours a day Russia? I’ve been repeating for the hundredth time! I love Russia and the Russians. But I hate the power that has brought to the point that we now have. And yours and ours equally. And Putin, after his decision to send troops to Ukraine, stood on a par with Yanukovych. We will suffer from this conflict and we and you. And it is still unknown who is more .... But to fight .. No .. I won’t shoot at Russian to please Putin and Yanukovych ..
              3. Rider
                Rider 4 March 2014 19: 42
                0
                Quote: morpex
                I AM? Fight? Hello. Arrived .. Is it me who invaded the territory of an independent state?

                and maybe you can show WHE the invading troops on the "independent" (from the brain) state?
                if you do not know, then in the Crimea, Russia has a completely legal right to dispose of its troops.
                when you find them elsewhere in Ukraine, then we'll talk.

                your country (once again) has proven its incompetence as an "independent state"

                welcome to default.
  • T-73
    T-73 2 March 2014 18: 40
    +2
    Quote: morpex
    which Putin and Co. fear you

    I don’t know if Putin is afraid of us or not, but Dom-2 is a terrible thing. They twist it before bedtime. But terrible Putin doesn’t know that we have video recorders and we are watching pirate cassettes at this time
  • Vl690006
    Vl690006 2 March 2014 21: 25
    +3
    Actually, we chose our government, and your government seems to have chosen the Maidan. I have been to Sevastopol many times and for a long time. With whom he did not meet and talk, then all were born in the RSFSR, i.e. in Russia. One Korean woman was born in Petropavlovsk-on-Kamchatka and works in a military hospital; another grandfather in Grozny; crane operator in the 30th dock in Yaroslavl, etc. etc. And to the question "where are the indigenous Ukrainians" answered, "at the heat of Ukraine." But I can add, and I also have it in Bashkortostan. Next to me are two Ukrainian villages - Chernigovka and Bogolyubovka. + there is a Ukrainian school in Ufa. Even under Yushchenko, people came from the Verkhovna Rada and said thank you.
    My grandfather liberated Ukraine and is buried in Transnistria in the 44th
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 2 March 2014 21: 34
      0
      Quote: Vl690006
      and your government seems to have chosen the Maidan.

      It chose itself, Maidan at least a third of the ministers did not approve, however ...
      Maidan has now begun to interfere, and the further, the more.
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  • aviator_IAS
    aviator_IAS 3 March 2014 00: 57
    +1
    Quote: morpex
    I am the enemy of the government that governs you

    A normal government is driven by national interests and not driven by calls from the US Embassy.
  • savrog
    savrog 3 March 2014 08: 00
    -2
    My great-grandfather served in the NKVD and people like you shot a traitor in the back of the head
    1. morpex
      morpex 3 March 2014 15: 26
      -2
      Quote: savrog
      My great-grandfather served in the NKVD and people like you shot a traitor in the back of the head

      It’s visible ... Apple from an apple tree ......
  • vlad63
    vlad63 3 March 2014 15: 41
    +1
    Even assuming that you are an enemy of our government, it’s reasonable to ask

    Do you have a government?
  • haron
    haron 2 March 2014 13: 37
    -17%
    Quote: smile
    Or do you think that the evil Kremlin has no right to protect the Russians? And that is exactly the official policy of the Kremlin ... There, in the Kremlin.

    And I will ask you. Why don’t you protect the Russians in the Baltic states there, they don’t even consider them citizens?
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 2 March 2014 13: 46
      +10
      Quote: haron
      Why don’t you protect the Russians in the Baltic states there, they don’t even consider them citizens?

      This is the strategic reserve of the Supreme High Command. And you may not be a citizen, but you must be a man.
    2. Salamander
      Salamander 2 March 2014 13: 55
      +12
      Quote: haron
      Why don’t you protect the Russians in the Baltic states there, they don’t even consider them citizens?


      If they have the courage to rise up against - we will help! And so who to protect? As Stolypin said, “the strong must be saved,” that is, those who are ready to defend their position, even with weapons ...
      1. kurtz755
        kurtz755 2 March 2014 23: 58
        0
        Absolutely true!
    3. smile
      smile 2 March 2014 15: 17
      +10
      haron
      These states were formed at a time when we were ruled by those who destroyed our country. If there had also been a collapse of statehood, as in Ukraine - do not worry, now they would intervene. By the way, my parents live in Lithuania. So here. even there are no such people as the head of the right sector or Sashko Bily. So, do not pretend. that you don’t understand anything.
    4. Cynic
      Cynic 2 March 2014 21: 37
      +2
      Quote: haron
      Why aren't you protecting Russians in the Baltic states

      Already sounded _ In the order of a live queue.
  • ele1285
    ele1285 2 March 2014 13: 41
    +10
    Quote: smile
    real Ukrainian

    And who is a real Ukrainian? I’m wondering all the time. Is this the one who spent the whole war in the crypt? Or Yarosh with Bely? Or Farion? Someone answer.
    1. haron
      haron 2 March 2014 14: 43
      -14%
      Quote: ele1285
      And who is a real Ukrainian? I’m wondering all the time. Is this the one who spent the whole war in the crypt?

      Other associations do not come to mind at all ??
      J.R. Apanasenko, M.P. Kirponos, S.K. Timoshenko, AL. Єremenko, I.D. Chernyakhovsky, R.Ya. Malinovsky, F.Ya. Kostenko, Ya.T. Cherevichenko is the Ukrainians.
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 2 March 2014 15: 22
        +15
        Quote: haron

        J.R. Apanasenko, M.P. Kirponos, S.K. Timoshenko, AL. Єremenko, I.D. Chernyakhovsky, R.Ya. Malinovsky, F.Ya. Kostenko, Ya.T. Cherevichenko is the Ukrainians.

        Something dear, they were not glorified on the Maidan, and their portraits were not hung there. Maybe then they were not Ukrainians for "real" Ukrainians?
      2. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 2 March 2014 21: 08
        +6
        Quote: haron
        J.R. Apanasenko, M.P. Kirponos, S.K. Timoshenko, AL. Єremenko, I.D. Chernyakhovsky, R.Ya. Malinovsky, F.Ya. Kostenko, Ya.T. Cherevichenko is the Ukrainians.

        If these people were alive, then, I repeat, ALL participants in the Maidan would now be either in the camp or in Sibenitsa. These Ukrainians knew from whom and how to protect their homeland.
      3. aviator_IAS
        aviator_IAS 3 March 2014 01: 03
        +1
        Quote: haron
        J.R. Apanasenko, M.P. Kirponos, S.K. Timoshenko, AL. Єremenko, I.D. Chernyakhovsky, R.Ya. Malinovsky, F.Ya. Kostenko, Ya.T. Cherevichenko is the Ukrainians.

        Now you have listed the worst enemies of the current government of Ukraine. It is the authorities, and then the people themselves will figure it out. And the authorities are so afraid of these enemies that they even fight with monuments, not even specific people, but simply everyone - except Bandera and Shukhevych. It reminds me of the Taliban.
  • 222222
    222222 2 March 2014 15: 14
    +13
    - Hello, hello. Is this an anonymous FSB helpline ?!
    - Yes, Vyacheslav.
  • Bootlegger
    Bootlegger 2 March 2014 16: 45
    0
    look at it and everything will be clearly FIRED-http: //www.srbijadanas.net/fotografija-dana-hitler-spasitelj-
    u-kijevu /
    1. aviator_IAS
      aviator_IAS 3 March 2014 01: 10
      0
      Photo on the Serbian forum. In the comments, the Serbs write what they think about banderlogs.
  • T-73
    T-73 2 March 2014 17: 10
    +4
    Quote: morpex
    Low bow to you Vitaliy

    Bowed? Bent down? Wait so a little bit ... There, in the Kremlin ... Go to your Rada, on the Maidan. Troll on the wrong site
    1. T-73
      T-73 2 March 2014 18: 45
      +4
      Yes, in fact, write. What are the impersonal to me? I don’t care
  • smile
    smile 2 March 2014 12: 50
    +21
    Russian
    Kaneshno-kaneshnya ... but in fact, the good Banderaites are very loyal, they are just fraternal to the Russians - well, they have such a tradition - look at the photos of Russians who were hacked by axes of Bandera, and not only children and women, that's good illustrates the cannibals - oh. sorry. tolerant general people who wore a Nazi uniform and had a good grandfather as a leader to Bandera .... and when we personally see the calls of the leaders of modern Bandera, such as Tyagnibok, Sasha Biloy to destroy us - then it’s all untrue - they admonish us, to see us from Moscow ...
    Congratulations ... you are a tolerant example ... and already a brainless layman ... It is very remarkable that you, tolerantly whitewashing the real fascists, are trying to suck us in, that the Bandera people are the Ukrainians. That the evil Moscow is deceiving us ...

    When compiling the answer, I observed a lot of stress with the selection of decent words ... sorry ... I just really don’t like MrRrrraz, which lies so brazenly in the eyes of people .. how are you ... or did you write this opus out of wit? :)))

    When you talk about the "guys" from some kind of kuren who declare that they will defend the Russians from the Tatars, but they won't be from the Bandera - they say, let them cut them - they can - brothers zhezh ... . to see your face ... and try to look into your deceitful shifting eyes ..... you are a real calibrated tolerant scoundrel, from the breed of those who call Russia "this country"!
    I have a big request, could you change your nickname .. and then you are dirtying yourself with the title "Russian" ... disgusting ..
    1. haron
      haron 2 March 2014 14: 51
      -26%
      Quote: smile
      they’re directly fraternal towards the Russians - well, they have such a tradition - look at the photos of Russian Bandera villains hacked by axes, and not only children and women, this is well illustrated by cannibals -


      So, just in case, I think to recall about 400 Russians who served on the German side and slaughtered their own Russians.

      Muravyov Battalion
      Combat Union of Russian Nationalists
      Brotherhood of Russian Truth
      Higher German school for Russian officers
      Division Russia also - Russland Division
      Volunteer SS regiment "Varyag"
      Green Special Forces
      Cossack Stan
      Lokot Republic
      Zeppelin Organization
      Republic of Zueva
      RONA
      ROA
      Russian civilian auxiliary police, Sevastopol
      Russian building
      Russian detachment of the 9th Wehrmacht Army
      Russian National Labor Party
      Russian fascist party
      Khivi
      Russian auxiliary police (schutzmannschaft)
      15-th Cossack Cavalry Corps SS
      The 1-th Russian national SS brigade "Druzhina", also known as the 1-th Russian national SS detachment
      29-I Grenadier Division of the SS (Russian Nr.1)
      30-I Grenadier Division of the SS (2-I Russian)
      Air Force KONR (Air Force ROA)
      1-I division ROA / VS KONR (600-infantry division of the Wehrmacht)
      2-I division ROA / VS CONR (650-I infantry division)
      600-I Russian division of the Wehrmacht
      602th East Battalion
      645-th Battalion
      ROND / RNSD
      Asano Brigade - Russian units of the Kwantung Army
      Guard of the Russian fascist party
      Corps of the Russian Monarchist Party
      Russians at the service of the Japanese and Manchu special services Manzhou-Guo
      Russen (Russia) - news and propaganda agency
      1. smile
        smile 2 March 2014 15: 05
        +14
        haron
        And why are you "just in case"? To the fact that Bandera are not cannibals? To the fact that the fascist coup in present-day Ukraine does not threaten the Russians? To that. that Putin is a scoundrel because in this case he defends the interests of the Russian people and Russia? Why, huh?
        Moreover, why are you so impudently distorting the numbers?
        Firstly, 300 thousand - these are our traitors along with Hee Wee, all kinds of possible nationalities to whom weapons were not trusted, and a significant majority of which switched to the side of the Red Army as soon as possible? And in general, went there under the threat of immediate destruction and in order to try to return to us?
        The total number of Russian traitors did not exceed 50 thousand. People of different nationalities were in the "Russian" formations, divisions and other formations. About 10 thousand served in the auxiliary police. The so-called "Cossacks" did not consider themselves Russian at all.
        So, do not try so hard. listing all that can be found, especially since the personnel of the compounds often turned to replenish the newly created ones.
        And in general, I do not understand what you are trying to prove? Did I say something bad about Ukrainians? I generally consider Bandera not Ukrainians. and geeks of the Ukrainian part of the Russian people. Now, what are you trying to object?
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 2 March 2014 15: 35
          +12
          Quote: smile
          haron
          The total number of Russian traitors did not exceed 50 thousand. IN

          Not, judging by the flag, people like him are, in general, the most ardent anti-fascists. They went to the factories in the time of the Reich in black shirts to protest. And they released little weapons for Hitler. Let the log be taken out of your eye.
          1. smile
            smile 2 March 2014 16: 06
            +11
            ele1285
            That's it. Also, my dear colleague, I forgot to add. that our modern followers of all sorts of Vlasovites are now fans of modern maydauns, are indignant at Putin's intolerant actions. dared to support the people of Ukraine. not struck by the Euro-fascist ideology and the Russians living there. There was one such patriot - Svinidze was terribly indignant that ours were going to grant citizenship to Crimeans in a simplified manner. Svinidze said that this would cause Russian pogroms in all CIS countries ... he voiced his blue dream. :)))
            But most of all, those who are waving rags with Nazi symbols surprise us — they go to Russian marches, then. it turns out that they sang with Bandera ... miracles, supposedly ultra-Russian patriots sang with ultra-Russophobes .... which in the world just doesn't happen :)))
            1. Babon
              Babon 3 March 2014 03: 19
              +1
              smile
              You are cruel, generally speaking, from free time people fall into some kind of liberalism. I personally, offer courses of occupational therapy, Russia is big, there is work to do where))) Just in the West, labor is everyday routine. No need to dream, you have to work there. And to scum Russia, they give money for this.
        2. haron
          haron 2 March 2014 22: 37
          0
          Quote: smile
          haron
          And why are you "just in case"? To the fact that Bandera are not cannibals?

          Besides, my comment was written in response to your memories of the actions of Bandera during and immediately after the Second World War. And if now some (no more than ten thousand) say that the Russian language should be banned, they beat the prosecutor's face and torture the prosecutor to impose "order" in Kharkov, this does not mean that all western and central Ukraine is "banderlog". And there is no reason at all to send troops.
          A prostitute and a redneck Yanukovych separated the Ukrainians from the Russians as it did not work for Yushch, and your government put this Judas in the deck.

          Quote: smile
          Moreover, why are you so impudently distorting the numbers?
          Firstly, 300 thousand - these are our traitors along with Hee Wee, all kinds of possible nationalities to whom weapons were not trusted, and a significant majority of which switched to the side of the Red Army as soon as possible? And in general, went there under the threat of immediate destruction and in order to try to return to us?

          I won’t blame you for anything, because maybe you don’t know that together with Heavi the number reached 1,5 million. There were more than 240 thousand Ukrainians, up to 300 thousand Baltic states, and about 400 Russians, so you have reason to gloat over.
          Quote: smile
          And in general, I do not understand what you are trying to prove? Did I say something bad about Ukrainians? I generally consider Bandera not Ukrainians. and geeks of the Ukrainian part of the Russian people. Now, what are you trying to object?

          I will try to argue.
          You consider a part of Bandera not a part of the Ukrainian people and geeks.
          Unfortunately, they are Ukrainian and this can be proved by genetics, place of residence and the fact that these are their original lands, the language of use.
          In the past, this part of the population gradually joined at first to Muscovy, then to the Russian Empire, and then to the USSR from about 1650 to 1944.
          Yes! they have different views on cohabitation with Russians, Belarusians, Poles, Hungarians, Slovaks, Romanians - different from the point of view of Moscow and sometimes Kiev. There are approximately 35 million of them, of which a thousand are radical nationalists who will be cured of their own. You do not call on the Ukrainian army to treat Zhirinovsky or Serdyukov (read tyagnibok and tymoshenko), although you yourself cannot deal with these degenerates.
          1. Rider
            Rider 2 March 2014 23: 41
            +5
            Quote: haron
            I won’t blame you for anything, because maybe you don’t know that together with Heavi the number reached 1,5 million. There were more than 240 thousand Ukrainians, up to 300 thousand Baltic states, and about 400 Russians, so you have reason to gloat over.

            nuuu bliiinn, out of 70 MILLION of the population under occupation on the side of the enemy, it became LESS ONE PERCENT !!! Yes, with such numbers BE Proud.
            and for the representative of the people who lay down under the occupiers, A LITTLE LESS THAN COMPLETELY - these figures are an impossible dream.
          2. smile
            smile 3 March 2014 02: 05
            +3
            Why are you lying so impudently? ... which one and a half million .... not, I understand that they pay for a lie ... but have a conscience ... lie in moderation ...., I understand without a lie your masters, who- father and mate ... can’t live .... I understand that you are brainless and fighting for anyone .... but have a conscience ... at least some ...
            1. haron
              haron 3 March 2014 09: 32
              -4
              Quote: smile
              but have a conscience ... lie in moderation ...., I understand without a lie your masters, who are father and mate ... can’t live .... I understand you are brainless and fighting for anyone .... but have a conscience ... at least some ...

              That's why I love you, it’s for a heightened sense of justice.

              As you quickly figured out me - a corrupt hack, a distributor of lies from the "owners", with a complete lack of conscience. Yes, probably these figures are deceitful, all the state security officers and intelligence officers who were combing out accomplices after the war - to the wall.
              1. Rider
                Rider 3 March 2014 11: 36
                +2
                Quote: haron
                That's why I love you, it’s for a heightened sense of justice.

                stop whining already.
                here enlighten

                Cooperation between Soviet citizens and the occupiers took various forms, both in terms of voluntariness and degree of involvement in the armed struggle - from Baltic SS volunteers who fought fiercely near Narva, to "Ostarbeiters" who were forcibly stolen to Germany. I believe that even the most stubborn anti-Stalinists will not be able to enlist in the ranks of fighters against the Bolshevik regime without a twitch. Usually, these ranks include those who received rations from the German military or police department, or who held in their hands weapons obtained from the hands of Germans or pro-German local governments.

                That is, to the maximum the potential fighters against the Bolsheviks fall into:
                foreign military units of the Wehrmacht and the SS;
                eastern guard battalions;
                construction units of the Wehrmacht;
                Wehrmacht support personnel, they are also “our Ivanes” or Hiwi (Hilfswilliger: “volunteers”);
                auxiliary police units (“noise” - Schutzmannshaften);
                border guard;
                “Air defense assistants” mobilized to Germany through youth organizations;

                How many Russians fought on Hitler’s side? HOW MUCH WERE THEM?

                We probably will never know the exact numbers, since no one really counted them, but some estimates are available to us. The lower estimate can be obtained from the archives of the former NKVD - until March 1946, 283,000 “Vlasovites” and other collaborators in uniform were handed over to the authorities. The upper estimate can probably be taken from the works of Drobyazko, which serve as the main source of figures for the advocates of the Second Civil version. According to his calculations (the method of which he, unfortunately, does not disclose) laughing laughing wassat through the Wehrmacht, the SS and various pro-German paramilitary and police units during the war years passed:
                250,000 Ukrainians
                70,000 Belorussians
                70,000 Cossacks
                150,000 Latvians
                90,000 Estonians
                50,000 Lithuanians
                70,000 Central Asian
                12,000 Volga Tatars
                10,000 Crimean Tatars
                7,000 Kalmyks
                40,000 Azeris
                25,000 Georgian
                20,000 Armenians
                30,000 North Caucasian nationalities

                Since the total number of all former Soviet citizens who wore German and pro-German uniforms, they are estimated at 1,2 million, then the share of Russians (excluding Cossacks) is about 310,000 people. There are, of course, other calculations that give a smaller total number, but we will not waste time on trifles; we take the Drobyazko estimate from above on the basis of further reasoning.

                http://topwar.ru/2684-skolko-russkix-voevalo-na-storone-gitlera.html


                I emphasize.
                that the data is taken AT MAXIMUM.
                that is, the numbers are the largest of the largest.
                that is, in reality they were GORAAAZDO LESS.

                so we see that (as I said) this is LESS ONE PERCENT of the population of the occupied lands.

                to a descendant of the people "what you please" is UNAUTHIBLE HEIGHT.
                1. haron
                  haron 3 March 2014 23: 29
                  -3
                  Quote: Rider
                  then the share of Russians (excluding Cossacks) is about 310,000 people. Of course, there are other calculations that give a smaller total number, but we will not be trifled with, we will take as a basis for further considerations an estimate from above named after Drobyazko.

                  Thank you for the clarification.
                  I did not know that the Cossacks are not Russian. That is, it really turns out that I brazenly lied. 310 Russians and 000 non-Russian Cossacks worked for the Germans, I brazenly lied to more than 70 (or 000%) because I still consider Russians to be Cossacks. And if you measure the site of VO then the Ukrainians and Belarusians must also be considered Russian, because this is one people. That is 20 Russians.

                  I honestly admit that for this I received from the State Department a ration of fat and a chapel.

                  I also honestly admit that seeing double standards in your approaches to explaining events is just a joke. At the same time, I am also joking about the lies of European politicians, whose style of lies you recently adopted, since the fluency in five languages ​​helps me see lies from any angle.
                  And Schweik was and will be my hero.

                  Good luck to all of you in your hard work - pulling yourself by the hair from the dung of lies.
                2. Rider
                  Rider 4 March 2014 08: 31
                  0
                  Quote: haron
                  Thank you for the clarification.

                  for SPECIALLY
                  I advise you to READ the link that I gave.
                  there you will see ...
                  and yet quote (from the same place):It is interesting to calculate how many were those who actually held weapons in their hands.

                  The number of hiwi at the end of the war Drobyazko gives about 675,000, if you add the building parts and take into account the decrease during the war, then I think we will not be very mistaken, assuming that this category covers about 700-750,000 people out of a total of 1,2 million.

                  more...

                  Of the Russians, Belarusians, and Ukrainians, about 90 security “ostbatalons” were formed, through which about 80,000 people passed, including the “Russian National People’s Army” reorganized into five security battalions. Of the other Russian combat units, one can recall the 3th 1st Russian national SS brigade Gilya (Rodionova), who went over to the partisans, the approximately 6th "Russian National Army" Smyslovsky and the Kaminsky army ("Russian Liberation People’s Army") that arose as the self-defense forces of the so-called Lokot Republic. The maximum estimates of the number of people passing through the Kaminsky army reach 20,000. After 1943, Kaminsky’s troops retreated with the German army and in 1944 an attempt was made to reorganize them into the 29th SS division. For a number of reasons, the reorganization was canceled, and the personnel was transferred to re-equip the 30th SS division. At the beginning of 1945, the armed forces of the Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia (the Vlasov Army) were created. The first army division is formed from the “Ostbatalons” and the remnants of the 30th SS division. The second division is formed from the “Ostbatalons,” and partly from prisoner-of-war volunteers. The number of Vlasovites at the end of the war is estimated at 40,000, of which about 30,000 were former SS and Ostbatalonians. In total, about 120,000 Russians fought at different times in the Wehrmacht and the SS with weapons in their hands.

                  Cossacks, according to calculations Drobyazko, put 70,000 people, take this figure.


                  here we get a modest figure LESS THAN 200 000 PEOPLE
                  which, together with the police and other traitors, makes up the figure of the NKVD voiced above.

                  Well, you can continue to be confused, and be proud of the position of the waiter.
                3. Cynic
                  Cynic 4 March 2014 09: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Rider
                  Quote: haron
                  Thank you for the clarification.
                  for SPECIALLY

                  Clever enemy, the enemy is doubly.
                  The person applies in practice _
                  What is the point of lying if the same result can be achieved by carefully dosing the truth?
                4. Rider
                  Rider 4 March 2014 10: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: Cynic
                  Clever enemy, the enemy is doubly.

                  but it’s not an enemy, people with education (if not lying), moved to Europe for goodies.
                  now writes unpleasant for the former homeland.

                  the conclusion is an opportunist.

                  it’s not even interesting to kick.

                  if we had all such enemies, I would be happy.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 2 March 2014 17: 08
    +6
    Quote: haron
    So, just in case, I think to recall about 400 Russians who served on the German side and slaughtered their own Russians.

    Yes, what are they Russian, Russified it, naturalized in Russian Jews and others.
    For example, I did not change my surname, although I don’t have Russian, and representatives of some God-chosen nationalities consider it necessary to mask their surnames as local ones.
    Gussky it.
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 2 March 2014 21: 43
    +1
    Clever, I thought somehow the number of all these gopots and their "exploits". Moreover, together with the Tatars and Caucasians, who also betrayed their country. Divided by 2. This time. More than half of this number NEVER took part in serious hostilities. This is 2. Behind loud names such as "Guards of Russian Fascism", etc., there are either organizations no more than a battalion in number, or simply "knocked down" on the subject of Nazism sakeries.
  • aviator_IAS
    aviator_IAS 3 March 2014 01: 14
    +1
    Quote: haron
    So, just in case, I think to recall about 400 Russians who served on the German side and slaughtered their own Russians.

    Traitors were everywhere and always. And in the Czech Republic too. I doubt that now you are praying for them.
  • cosmos111
    cosmos111 2 March 2014 13: 13
    +23
    Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
    Russia! Glory to Ukraine!


    GLORY OF RUSSIA AND THE RUSSIAN ARMY, THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE WHICH BEAT fascists = Bandera, expelling this brown plague, from their cities, sat !!!!!


    compare yes picture where the brothers ,but where is the brown plague ((((
  • marader555
    marader555 2 March 2014 14: 18
    0
    and what is it that we put so many minuses to the person p_u_s_s_k_i_y put ??? he is right in many ways !!!
    1. smile
      smile 2 March 2014 15: 07
      +10
      marader555
      They didn’t set it down, they expressed their attitude to his thoroughly lying hypocritical position, which he promotes, pretending to be tolerance.
  • tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 2 March 2014 14: 24
    +13
    Is it about those brothers who fought against us in Chechnya? Change your nickname, you're not Russian.
  • orek
    orek 2 March 2014 14: 40
    +11
    I support the Ukrainian people and strongly opposed sending guys from our kuren to Ukraine.
    SW RUSSIAN. Who sent, for what purpose ??? This is a provocation. If you want to yourself, then this is called differently.
    The fraternal Tatar people HAVE WHO TO INDICATE FOR THE INCORRECT ATTITUDE Towards Ukrainian compatriots. This is no different from the "assistance" on the Maidan of other states.
    Only state (Russian) power structures have a mandate of the legitimacy of presence in the territory of another independent State. Therefore, stop your friends, prohibit interfering in GEOPOLITICS. Do not give in to emotions.
    1. tank64rus
      tank64rus 2 March 2014 20: 11
      +3
      This was written by a simple provocateur. What the hell is a Cossack.
  • Mature naturalist
    Mature naturalist 2 March 2014 14: 41
    +13
    Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й

    so here you are, it turns out:



    http://vk.com/kazakns?w=wall87967130_8425%2Fall
  • matross
    matross 2 March 2014 14: 43
    +12
    Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
    this morning several hundred Cossacks from Krasnodar were sent to the Crimea

    Who were "sent", dear? And for what? Your mummers in the neighboring Stavropol Territory cannot restore order, Caucasians "oppress" them, if not more sharply! What should they do in Crimea? There, the locals, with the support of Russia, will decide everything!
    Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
    if in fact they were deceived and there will be an order to engage in battle with the Right Sector or in general with the Ukrainians, then they promised to turn around and leave. “We will not fight with the brothers”,

    If their brothers in the "Right Sector" would have made their way to the Maidan. They will leave, scared! Warriors, bleat!

    marine

    Quote: A man with a gun came to my house. The whole horror is that I considered and consider him a brother. Now blood will be shed. [/ Quote

    Tell the families of golden eagles in the hostel or on the square in Donetsk and Kharkov, or tens of thousands of Ukrainian refugees in Russia about the people with weapons that will come to the house! Do you say blood will be shed? Who will pour it? Those who throughout Ukraine are afraid to leave their homes because of the Bandera outlaws ?? Or the police? The army can be Ukrainian? Fleet? On "Sagaidachny" you have already been answered with the Andreev flag!
    But Bandera - yes, it will be shed. Wait.
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  • xan
    xan 2 March 2014 15: 31
    +11
    Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
    So, dear comrades-in-arms, this morning several hundred Cossacks from Krasnodar were sent to the Crimea, including 14 people from our Yermolovsky smoking.

    100% fake
    Already read this nonsense on foreign media with analysis from the local members of the forum.
    In Crimea, there are no militias and Cossacks from Russia. Serious power has long been in Russia for resolving serious issues. We must already forget about impotence 90s.
    1. does it
      does it 2 March 2014 20: 49
      0
      Quote: xan
      In Crimea, there are no militias and Cossacks from Russia. Serious power has long been in Russia for resolving serious issues. We must already forget about impotence 90s.

      I came across the Internet and I think it's true or not. what
      1. family tree
        family tree 2 March 2014 22: 02
        +3
        Quote: kvirit
        I came across the Internet and I think it's true or not.

        what 955 orders in two months? It is fantastic. Last year at that time, more precisely on February 28, there was only 166 else.
  • dustycat
    dustycat 2 March 2014 15: 37
    +5
    Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
    Our colleague Ivan Polukarov has been at the epicenter of events for several weeks and says that he is treated like a brother, and he did not notice any anti-Russian sentiments,

    Here on YouTube, a video with one of the "peaceful demonstrators" twisting those caught on the border of the Tambov region was spinning back - as they rolled in the trunk several times just because they were Russian. And he is holy simplicity with his armor and barrel ("you never know, one life") to rob them ... to do the robbery went.
  • Colonel
    Colonel 2 March 2014 15: 59
    +7
    Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
    I will not deny the possibility of the participation of our security forces in an attempt to disperse the Maidan, since I do not have information

    I will not deny, because I do not have information, i.e. if you had, then ... ???
    Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
    to the Stavropol Territory, from where the entire Russian-speaking population flees

    Yes, we do not run away from here, on the contrary we are settling in. And if someone wants to run away, then here is h.r all over his face. Not in the subject of course, but I did not like your comment.
  • cosmos111
    cosmos111 2 March 2014 16: 59
    +10
    Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
    They purposefully try to push us with their foreheads, they tell us how evil Bendera hate us, what kind of Russian language in Ukraine


    here is one of the "brothers" of Bandera, a (white Sashko) terrorist and killer, participated in the 1st and 2nd Chechen wars on the side of the militants (((((
    shot in the backs of our soldiers and slaughtered the Russian population (((
    listen to what he says, and without translating it is understandable, Mr. N.I.d.a. (((

    1. orek
      orek 2 March 2014 20: 09
      +7
      Why this video does not delete YouTube ??????? And interviews with HEROES OF THE "BERKUT" DIVISION immediately become unavailable.
      RUSSIAN (in the broad sense of the word) ALL COUNTRIES UNITE !!!!
      1. aviator_IAS
        aviator_IAS 3 March 2014 01: 22
        +4
        Quote: orek
        Why doesn't this video delete YouTube ??????? And interviews with HEROES OF THE "BERKUT" DEPARTMENT immediately become unavailable.

        Guess yourself? This is an information war.

        Does Sashko still wear the "Army of General Dudayev" patch? ...
        This army was just waiting for him. It is necessary to expedite the meeting.
    2. Passer
      Passer 2 March 2014 21: 04
      +1
      Does Sashko still wear the "Army of General Dudayev" patch? ...
      In muDak!
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  • Danilov
    Danilov 2 March 2014 17: 01
    +4
    Everything is clear, but to the slogan "Glory to Ukraine" you, dear one, forgot to add "Glory to the heroes, Glory to the Nazis, Glory to Hitler".
  • T-73
    T-73 2 March 2014 17: 06
    +8
    Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
    I will not deny the possibility of the participation of our security forces in an attempt to disperse the Maidan, since I do not have information,

    Do not possess - do not pi ... and. Provocateur cheap
  • Yars
    Yars 2 March 2014 17: 15
    +13
    So I read your commentary "Russian" and I can't understand where you got so many stars on your shoulder straps. Not only do you know the history poorly, so you don't know well what is happening in Ukraine today, or rather what people came to power, what laws are being canceled and introduced and what plans they have for the future of Ukraine! It turns out that the elementary paid troll, or rather the enemy of Russia and all the Slavs! If you don’t know, then I’ll tell you, the term Kievan Rus appeared only in the 19th century and was introduced by the historian Maksimovich, and Hrushevsky passionately used it when he invented the history of Ukraine and lived at that time in Austria. The state has been called from the end of the centuries Ancient Russia or the Ancient Russian State !!!
    1. T-73
      T-73 2 March 2014 18: 59
      +1
      Quote: YARS
      where do you get so many stars on uniform

      for the number of comments. To do this, you do not need to know something (
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 2 March 2014 19: 05
        +1
        Quote: T-73
        for the number of comments.

        Yeah, the connoisseur of the connoisseur sees from afar!
        You can still say for the length of service!
        belay
        1. T-73
          T-73 2 March 2014 19: 23
          +1
          Quote: Cynic
          You can still say for the length of service

          and harmful working conditions
  • Novik
    Novik 2 March 2014 19: 36
    0
    This is copy-paste.
    Andrey Khartanovich's blog
    http://endryx.livejournal.com/885246.html
    01 Birch 2014 at 12:45 PM
    negative
    1. Novik
      Novik 2 March 2014 19: 53
      0
      Or rather
      http://vk.com/kazakns?w=wall87967130_8425/all
      Denis Cossack
      February 28, 2014 at 20:29

      Quote: Mature Naturalist
      so here you are, it turns out:

      good
  • vezunchik
    vezunchik 2 March 2014 19: 38
    0
    Fooled ???
  • bear
    bear 2 March 2014 19: 48
    +4
    p_u_s_s_k_i_y, morpex brothers like you, and no enemies.
    Pick up a snot Cossack !!! atom disgusting
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 2 March 2014 20: 06
    +2
    It means lobbing with those who have already passed laws putting Russians in the position of 2nd-class citizens. The right sector does not hide that they are descendants of Bandera and SS divisions of Galitchin. Today, their leader Yaroshenko turned to Doku Umarov to kill the Russians in the Caucasus. In general, I think this is a mishandled Cossack.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 2 March 2014 20: 06
    0
    It means lobbing with those who have already passed laws putting Russians in the position of 2nd-class citizens. The right sector does not hide that they are descendants of Bandera and SS divisions of Galitchin. Today, their leader Yaroshenko turned to Doku Umarov to kill the Russians in the Caucasus. In general, I think this is a mishandled Cossack.
  • cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 2 March 2014 20: 48
    +3
    Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
    So, dear comrades-in-arms, this morning several hundred Cossacks from Krasnodar were sent to the Crimea, including 14 people from our Yermolovsky smoking.

    That you deceive how ... ........deleted by moderator Apollo, neither Cossacks nor other volunteers allowed anyone into Crimea, yesterday they wrapped my godson and his brother, the Cossacks of the Seversky Kuren from the village of Azov, who, as part of a group of more than twenty people, tried to cross over to Crimea.
  • Sibiriya
    Sibiriya 3 March 2014 01: 27
    0
    Liberast you however
    coward
    not remembering kinship
  • AVIATOR36662
    AVIATOR36662 3 March 2014 01: 52
    0
    Another provocateur ?! How much have their nature bred ?!
  • equity
    equity 4 March 2014 22: 09
    +1
    Russian:
    Quote: They purposefully try to push us with their foreheads,

    laughing Mndaa, with your tongue any foreheads may be pushed ... you just need to do what you are told that's all, this is your mission, lackeys are lackeys! ..
  • ele1285
    ele1285 2 March 2014 15: 02
    +12
    Quote: Sakhalininets
    Considering, with what cynicism all Maidan evil spirits abused these men using impunity

    I don’t understand if this is cynicism or paid. The Ukrainian media wrote that a rally in support of Ukraine began in Moscow. And it’s funny and disgusting.
    1. sarmat-4791
      sarmat-4791 2 March 2014 15: 12
      +7
      Judging by the photo, a mighty bunch
      1. builder
        builder 2 March 2014 15: 31
        +6
        Another "March of Millions" wink
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    3. Cynic
      Cynic 2 March 2014 19: 06
      +2
      Quote: ele1285
      in Moscow, a rally in support of Ukraine

      For the first time or what?
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  • Russian
    Russian 2 March 2014 18: 47
    -17%
    Well, well, how do you like this video ?? Why did they kill him for having the Russian flag ?! Clean your brains first, or all will be Putin .....deleted by moderator Apollo kiss with his buddies billionaires?

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  • Russian
    Russian 2 March 2014 09: 49
    -56%
    So, introducing troops into the Crimea, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin effectively:
    - Written off debt to Ukraine in the amount of about 30 billion US dollars;
    - Agreed to refuse a long-term gas supply contract that is extremely disadvantageous for Ukraine;
    - Ensured more or less free gas supply to Ukraine until the conflict is resolved and the parties reconciled;
    - He sacrificed the international reputation of Russia to save Ukraine’s reputation in the event of a virtually inevitable default;
    - It made it even easier for Ukraine to receive international loans on favorable terms;
    - Accelerated Ukraine’s entry into NATO, and the removal of disagreements on this issue from the domestic political agenda;
    - He opened the possibility of revising the unpopular agreements in Ukraine on the lease of military bases in Crimea and the deployment of the Russian Black Sea Fleet there (in the medium term);
    - Healed the disagreements about the strategic direction of Ukraine’s development between its eastern and western regions, and rallied the culturally different parts of Ukraine into a single nation, to the extent that even Yanukovych failed to achieve a valuable 12 (26?) Slammed billions;
    - Created a political cover for the transitional government and V.O. President to carry out inevitable, but extremely painful and unpopular reforms. Yesterday they were called "the government of suicides", but now in the foreseeable future, most likely, it will be necessary to clear a new place in the hryvnia in order to print their portraits there.

    In addition, I would like to thank the Foreign Ministry and the Duma of Russia, for the efforts made to convince the Ukrainian fifth column to voluntarily renounce the right to participate in the Ukrainian elections, the right to own land, and from receiving pensions and other benefits and subsidies from the Ukrainian state
    1. pushkin71
      pushkin71 2 March 2014 10: 28
      +27
      Think broader and further than 2 years in advance: Russia is returning the land. Read the story at least. What agreements, alliances, etc. are valid at least 100 years now? What are you worried about? About some contracts? About some kind of NATO? This is all momentary. The military port in the Black Sea and the industrially developed East of Ukraine will return all temporary losses with interest. The main thing is that without a lot of blood.
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 2 March 2014 12: 39
        -12%
        Quote: pushkin71
        Think broader and further than 2 years in advance: Russia is returning the land.

        I am afraid that these lands are just a piece of cheese in a mousetrap. This is most likely a cunning multi-move of the West, a gambit that was not solved in Russia. After all, history teaches that in the event of outside interference in the affairs of the state, internal strife is forgotten, the nation rallies and leads this nation. the most aggressive and rallied. In Ukraine, alas, it will be Bandera's "Right Sector". And after all, everything has already begun to take shape normally - the East and South-East of Ukraine have themselves trampled the Maydans, the budget of the new government is bursting at the seams, the Kievites themselves are driving the Maydauns ... And here on you. Tyts-fucking, Russian troops in Crimea. Kiev screams: "Aggression !!!, Occupation !!!", the whole world is against Russia, all the dogs are now being hanged on her. -Transport Yanuca to Crimea and ensure its temporary security (behind the scenes). Further dialogue, re-elections, federalization, the collapse of the new "government" and then a referendum in Crimea and accession on a LEGAL basis. Beautiful mnogohodovka. Longer? Yes, but Russia is in chocolate, galiciai in shit. will be, I don’t know. Most of the world media outlets will present Russia as an aggressor, young people with a jingoistic patriotic brainwash it, and Russia, even by joining Crimea, will receive an openly unfriendly state at its borders in the near foreseeable future. I hope that in the event of partition my city will be in Russia, otherwise we Russians, in this situation, will have a bad time here.
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 2 March 2014 13: 53
          +8
          Quote: revnagan
          . Beautiful mnogohodovka

          What I like about us is that we EXACTLY know three things. How to train the team, how to cure any disease and how to lead the state. Yes, and we also like to give advice that no one needs and that no one hears. .
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 2 March 2014 15: 35
            -7
            Quote: ele1285
            we also love to give advice that no one needs and that no one hears.

            But it’s a pity. My predictions are justified, for example, that Ukraine will wake up in ukroreich has justified itself 100%. I don’t want to, but I think that the presenter will repeat. Although ... there is an option that will set the stage for the arrival of Yanuk at the PR congress in Crimea announced on March 3 ... Perhaps this will save the situation, Kiev, with the gang and asshole headed, will have to agree with Yanyk on the division of spheres of influence, and then again the referendum, elections, federalization, etc. etc. I want to believe.
            1. aviator_IAS
              aviator_IAS 3 March 2014 11: 12
              0
              Yanukovych - a used condom. Nobody needs him now.
          2. xan
            xan 2 March 2014 16: 09
            +1
            Quote: ele1285
            What I like about us is that we EXACTLY know three things. How to train the team, how to cure any disease and how to lead the state

            Plagiarism, my friend!
            It is said by the Italian about Italians, whom I do not specifically remember.
            1. ele1285
              ele1285 2 March 2014 17: 29
              +3
              Quote: xan

              Plagiarism, my friend!
              It is said by the Italian about Italians, whom I do not specifically remember.

              There’s no plagiarism, but quoting. Since I don’t remember who said it, I don’t refer. And I did not assign intellectual property.
              By the way, the expression "plagiarism, my friend" is exactly the same plagiarism. I've heard it before. So let's not engage in nonsense, especially since the expression was addressed to a certain person.
      2. atalef
        atalef 2 March 2014 17: 40
        -12%
        Quote: pushkin71
        Think broader and further than 2 years in advance: Russia is returning the land. Read the story at least

        Yes, there was one such one, the same considered all his lands. The Sudetenland, part of Poland (Danzing is a German city), Austria is, well, the Germans. yes etc. Do you know the end? Read the story.
        Quote: pushkin71
        The military port in the Black Sea and the industrially developed East of Ukraine will return all temporary losses with interest

        I don’t get it? Is it the salvation of the oppressed Russian-speaking population, or what?
        1. Novik
          Novik 2 March 2014 20: 02
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          Read the story.

          By the way, also an interesting story, at the expense of the Crimea
          JEWISH CRIMEA USA: WHY KHRUSHCHEV GIVED CRIMEA


          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IhjbgKmzpA
          If this is true, I wonder how history would develop if Israel were in the territory of Crimea + Sochi (to the border of Abkhazia) + Kherson region + Odessa region?
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 2 March 2014 20: 15
            +3
            Quote: Novik
            Read the story.
            By the way, also an interesting story, at the expense of the Crimea

            This is a provocation, one of the main strategic goals of which is the desire to provoke a violent surge in anti-Jewish sentiment in Russia. Like, again, the Jews are to blame for everything.
            1. Novik
              Novik 2 March 2014 20: 26
              +1
              Quote: Setrac
              This is a provocation, one of the main strategic goals of which is the desire to provoke a violent surge in anti-Jewish sentiment in Russia. Like, again, the Jews are to blame for everything.

              request
              They probably would have had a reliable friend (a lot of our peoples are connected), represented by Israel.
              And all world politics would have developed completely differently.
              Russia - Israel - China - Germany.
              This is a force that no one can resist.
              ***
              Behind events in (in) Ukraine, a message flashed almost unnoticed
              Iran refused to create an atomic bomb
              Iran refused to create an atomic bomb due to moral principles, and not because it is prohibited by treaties. This was announced by President Hassan Rouhani on Saturday at a meeting of the high command of the Ministry of Defense.

              http://www.rg.ru/2014/03/01/iran-site-anons.html
          2. Kir
            Kir 3 March 2014 02: 05
            0
            Novik, why only to the borders of Abkhazia, if the Mingrelians-Orthodox Georgian Jews lived and live along the coast and not only on it, and this is not my invention, just had good friends of a family of migrales, just from Abkhazia, oh how they did not like Abkhazians this is a separate song .......
        2. pushkin71
          pushkin71 2 March 2014 21: 10
          +1
          Can we talk about the Palestinian lands? How Israel wets the Arabs, and for one of their children, the elderly, all indiscriminately? Also the snout is not clean. They would be silent to themselves in a rag. A lot of all sorts of "correct" gathered around Russia.
    2. Arberes
      Arberes 2 March 2014 10: 35
      +35
      The only thing I want to tell you, dear Russian , a big game has begun and it is very cruel! The name of this game is "Divide and Conquer"! It would be naive to believe that Russia will indifferently observe how the "fraternal" Ukraine finally leaves for the Euro-Atlantic Union! Now it is finally clear that Ukraine is falling apart and Russia will do everything possible from her to grab her share! And just like the Euro-gay community is fully entitled to it! This is a harsh and terrible reality, and it was not Russia that started this rat fuss for Ukraine! Let NATO wait until Ukraine reunites ???
      Cynically??? Yes, cynical! But at least honestly and fairly!
    3. Sunjar
      Sunjar 2 March 2014 10: 56
      +13
      In the first part of your post, I put you minus.
      To some extent, the really Ukrainian and Russian people are trying to knock their heads together. Only the difference between ordinary citizens of Ukraine and "Maidanuty" is monstrously huge. Among the "Maidanutyh" are Ukrainian nationalists (Ukrainians are the greatest people on the planet, and the rest are slaves, trash and subhumans), fascists (almost the same doctrines, but taking into account that others can join them), collaborators (some Crimean Tatars , UNO-UNSO, and of another kind of traitors). All of them in one way or another intersect and interact with each other. But specifically, they are now united by the struggle against Russia. And if they gain power, they will begin to gnaw each other's throats for the loot, the power itself, and for the praise of the United States and Europe.

      These are the ones that must be extinguished without a twinge of conscience. After all, our ancestors at one time in the same Ukraine one to one exterminated the same. Then no one doubted that they were doing something wrong. It was necessary to get rid of this evil spirits and our ancestors did it, and now we don’t need to be timid and build ourselves a humanist. All these humanists destroyed far more people than warriors.

      This is the whole difference between inciting hostility towards the Ukrainian people and calling for help in pacifying all kinds of scum. I am for the Ukrainian people, but against the Nazis, fascists, collaborators, traitors of Ukraine and Russia, regardless of their nationality, status in society and even useful merits in society. Once you signed up for traitors, wait for fair retribution.

      As for the entry of Russian troops into Ukraine: there was no full-scale entry. Basically, all this is rumor. The fact that a couple of hundred Cossacks, and special forces too, is just fine. For an ordinary citizen of Ukraine, he will be equal to whom, and he himself, seeing an example in front of him, will act more literally and wisely, and not sit like a sheep at home.

      Also, Ukraine should not be given money until they have all this gimmick settled down. And there is no need to send troops there. And all because soon they (the "new government") will have to pay salaries, pensions, benefits, but they will have nothing to pay. Neither Europe nor the United States will give them this money, both have their own problems above the roof. Europe needs to feed its people, but there it is not very calm. The United States has a state. the debt is astronomically high, so they won't give money either. About the United States, some may say that they print as much as they want, but in view of their debt, this printed money will further aggravate their situation, they don’t need it. BUT, there is a very big BUT: if Russia introduces its troops there, the whole World will start an aggressive information and diplomatic attack on Russia, and will make it pay for the restoration of Ukraine, on its own terms. This despite the fact that it was Europe and the United States that muddied all this shit.

      Therefore, Putin does not make loud statements about this, therefore he does not send money. But there is diplomatic support, information, well, and special services are already actively helping on the ground.
      1. Russian
        Russian 2 March 2014 11: 11
        -19%
        On television, and in all our media, information comes from only one side, I have laid out an alternative point of view for you. Yes, one may not quite agree there, but there is food for the mind, and it is up to you to decide who to trust. I think it is necessary to read a lot of all kinds of opinions and news in order to more or less understand this issue. 
        Sincerely. 
        1. morpex
          morpex 2 March 2014 11: 38
          -17%
          Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
          I laid out an alternative point of view.

          You laid out the position of a person who thinks not as a patriotic urit but as a person worried not only for the fate of the Ukrainian people, primarily for the fate of Russia and the Russians, because the consequences of this invasion will be very unpleasant. First of all, for Russia.
          1. smile
            smile 2 March 2014 16: 11
            +9
            morpex
            Over the past two months, more than six hundred thousand Ukrainians have left for Russia. Looks like to be closer to the invaders, huh?
            1. atalef
              atalef 2 March 2014 16: 20
              -11%
              Quote: smile
              Over the past two months, more than six hundred thousand Ukrainians have left for Russia. Looks like to be closer to the invaders, huh?

              Well this is certainly not true. Moving to permanent residence in Russia so many people (10 tons per day) would provoke at least a problem with their resettlement. The numbers can be submitted as you wish. This year, 4 million people came to Israel who are interested in the same number of people who left (because the bulk of the tourists) - but you can say the same. what has arrived.
              Look not only at the message - look a little wider. Then questions arise. Why are they lying?
              1. smile
                smile 2 March 2014 18: 32
                +5
                atalef
                This is a real figure voiced by our border guards - over two months more than 670 thousand people. Of course, many did not come for permanent residence ... for now ... but to wait. Moreover, those come. who has someone to come to. Who has relatives with us. Usually there come much less tourists and guest workers. The influx is obvious, and in cases where the war began between Israel and its enemies, did the Jews begin to travel intensively to these countries? No?
                The fact that sometimes it is slightly underestimated and in the framework of an ordinary psychological warfare is given exaggerated attention to certain events is normal. But you yourself should think why from the side that you adhere to. judging by your words, they are not just lying, there is a complete disinformation and nothing but it ... Why do you not have questions for your position? You do not try to watch wider? Why?
              2. Motors1991
                Motors1991 2 March 2014 19: 15
                -5
                I already wrote how difficult it is even for a Russian to obtain a residence permit, this is not Israel for you, in Russia you need to beat the thresholds for years.
        2. cosmos111
          cosmos111 2 March 2014 12: 55
          +18
          Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
          On television, and in all our media, information comes only from one side, I laid out an alternative point for you

          here are Ukrainian cities where the population raised the Russian flags, knocking out Bandera !!!!


          and one more R_U_S_S_K_I-Y---Bandera = Uniate, for me, not when I was not and never will be !!!
        3. ele1285
          ele1285 2 March 2014 14: 04
          +10
          Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
          to more or less understand this issue. 

          Now there is an information war and it is very difficult for an ordinary person to separate the truth from the lie. At the moment, everything is understood at the genetic level, or more precisely, from the memory of the ancestors. For example, I do not understand those who say that Ukraine should be left alone. Nonsense the neighbor’s house is on fire, people are helping to extinguish, and Moroders are stealing something. And your position in this allegory is simply to stand and look at the fire.
        4. aviator_IAS
          aviator_IAS 3 March 2014 11: 26
          0
          Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
          On television, and in all our media, information comes from only one side, I have laid out an alternative point of view for you. Yes, one may not quite agree there, but there is food for the mind, and it is up to you to decide who to trust.

          We also look at alternative sources, but the level of your alternative goes off scale. Goebbels glory haunts?
      2. vikruss
        vikruss 2 March 2014 12: 31
        +18
        If Ukraine fully enters the realm of the influence of the West and NATO henchmen, namely, everything moves under the supervision of Bandera emmissars, And if Russia does not stop this adventure, then Mr. Russky, your cheap arguments will not be worthless, sorry. And if you think at least as much as you think in military strategy, you should foresee such an option, And for Russia then it will turn out to be a very, very uncomfortable chair for you and your generations to sit down with. When NATO settles there, it will be too late to wave hats .... VLADIMIR PUTIN YOUNG, NEED TO WORK AWAY, AND DO NOT STOP IN THE CRIMEA. Open your eyes gentlemen and understand at last, True friends, their neighbors or say partners, do not encircle military bases. Since the collapse of the USSR, America has not closed one of its bases in Europe, but rather moves them closer to the heart of Russia. Does anyone want to object? Enough to believe in good words, the smallest facts speak much louder than the best but false promises.
        1. Fin
          Fin 2 March 2014 13: 06
          +9
          Quote: vikruss
          If Ukraine fully enters the sphere of influence of the West and NATO henchmen, namely, everything moves under the supervision of Bandera emmissars,

          And then r.u.s.s.c.k.i. would write that the GDP is all pros .. l.
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    5. Name
      Name 2 March 2014 10: 57
      +15
      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      introducing troops into Crimea, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin effectively

      And forgive me, I have already deployed troops, or still not yet .... You do not stir up the water, do not be likened
    6. GHG
      GHG 2 March 2014 11: 09
      +16
      Please don’t count other people's "grandmothers", we will give them up to kopeck for brothers. I see you do not bother with all the expenses of Russia, but not as the State Department?
    7. Fin
      Fin 2 March 2014 11: 45
      +10
      Do you distribute the Zapadensky leaflet? Nick change to start peacekeeper horseradish.
      The guys from our Ermolovsky kuren went to protect the Russian population from the rebellious Tatars, and if in fact they were deceived and there will be an order to engage in battle with the Right Sector or in general with the Ukrainians, then they promised to turn around and leave. “We will not fight with the brothers”,

      You zapadentsy worked there? Have you become brothers already? That is, you can introduce yourself as the Right Sector and beat the Russians forward? And will the Cossacks watch? But will the Cossacks protect them from the Tatars?
    8. cosmos111
      cosmos111 2 March 2014 12: 44
      +10
      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      So, introducing troops into the Crimea, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin effectively:

      RUSSIAN
      I respect you for your courage, for patriotism, for your anti-Salafi position, ansionism !!!

      but on the issue of Ukraine,categorically disagree with you !!!

      the Russian army in Ukraine, to protect something, Ukrainians, Russians, about fascist Bandera gangs !!!

      who is in the leadership, the "right sector" (white sashko) and the like,their hands are up to the elbow in the blood of Russian soldiers including TERSKY KAZAKOV, CHIASS ((((((
      their crimes on our land do not have a statute of limitations, now our army and Ukrainian militias will kill this beast !!!!!
    9. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 2 March 2014 13: 14
      +8
      r_u_s_s_k_i_y "So, having sent troops to the Crimea, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin effectively:
      - Written off debt to Ukraine in the amount of about 30 billion US dollars;
      - I agreed to refuse from a long-term gas supply contract, which is extremely disadvantageous for Ukraine "
      Are you all so smart in the Kuban? If you bring someone’s thoughts, please do a reference please hehehehehe ...
      Comrades! Cossack then along the way does not give his thoughts for his.
      This is a headline from the newspaper "Argumenty nedeli" In the internet you will find who wants.

      "The Crimean deputy saw a" positive "in the Russian military

      The deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Crimea Igor FRANCHUK (fraction "Regions of Crimea") believes that due to the introduction of Russian troops into the territory of Crimea, Ukraine will receive a number of dividends.

      FRANCHUK expressed his opinion in an ironic form on a page on Facebook.

      "Among the advantages, according to FRANCHUK, is the cancellation of Ukraine's debt in the amount of about US $ 30 billion; an agreement to abandon a long-term gas supply contract that is extremely disadvantageous for Ukraine, ensure more or less free gas supplies to Ukraine until the conflict is resolved and the parties are reconciled, and so on. . "
      And then our Cossack repeats almost one in one words of Franchuk. If only I would change offers in places.
      The rest, Mr. Igor Franchuk, the deputy from the Crimea set out in Facebook heh heh heh heh ... and our dubious Kuban lad gives his thoughts for his own. Heels in the chest, for the Motherland and the fraternal Ukrainian people suffer ... Or are you Franchuk? Disguised? Lying is bad!
    10. smile
      smile 2 March 2014 13: 16
      +11
      Russian
      You forgot to mention Putin’s most important sin - by his actions he saved millions of Russian people. Wretch ...
      By the way, why are you writing this nonsense? What kind of crazy - "made it even easier to get loans"? What nafig loans, who lined up to give loans to a country that was destroyed thanks to the fascists fed from the outside .... the country is in agony ... who will give it money? Are you sho, s blind zihala? :)))
      Do you seriously think that without letting the bandarlogs wipe out our fleet from Sevastopol and once again protect our Sevastopol from the Nazis. Putin ... made it possible for the fascists to review some kind of treaties there, etc. and so on ... do you yourself believe in the foolishness you replicate? :)))
      I don’t understand who you intend to influence with your rather obvious and uncomplicated lies .... You see, oligophrenics do not stay on this site ... they are not interested here. And your lie can only affect those that are too poorly disguised ....
      By the way, when we saved Ossetia, Abkhazia and our peacekeepers from Georgian troops. you also probably had mourning, right? :))) You also mumbled about irreparable losses to the Russian international position?
      Then, with a feeling of deepest contempt, allow me to take my leave. :)))
    11. Hug
      Hug 2 March 2014 13: 48
      -23%
      Dear r_y_s_s_k_i_y, I accidentally put you (-). In fact, your post deserves 1000 (+). You write everything correctly. And yet, if blood is shed in an armed conflict between the Russian and Ukrainian armed forces, then this will mean the beginning of the end of GDP, and for Russia - huge financial, economic and image losses. One can forget about the concept of "brotherly people" for decades! If all this is worth it, then the flag in hand!
      But! With all the might of the Russian army, an easy walk will not work! Internet hooray patriots should think about this, how to think about the fact that blood, pain, dirt and "zinc" - an attribute of any war - will be relevant not only for Ukrainians ...
      1. Hug
        Hug 2 March 2014 16: 21
        -24%
        Something it all reminds



        And one more thing: I am very actively minus and my so-called "rating" is rapidly going into the area of ​​negative values ​​- then I am right! Well, apparently, not being a paper marshal is more dear to me.
        1. xan
          xan 2 March 2014 16: 41
          +5
          Quote: Kram
          Well, apparently, not being a paper marshal to me - the truth is more expensive.

          Those who planned something against the Russians hope I got it, these are democrats like Yarosh, Tyagnibok, Muzychko and others
        2. Hug
          Hug 2 March 2014 17: 24
          -11%
          Alexander Babich, a Russian-speaking, Odessa historian, who wrote scripts for Russian TV "History of the Russian State", "Victory Time" and "Battle for Moscow": "I can't put into my mind the phrase" RUSSIAN OCCUPATION FORCES IN UKRAINE "!!!!"
          1. family tree
            family tree 2 March 2014 17: 57
            +4
            Quote: Kram
            Alexander Babich, a Russian-speaking, Odessa historian, who wrote scripts for Russian TV "History of the Russian State", "Victory Time" and "Battle for Moscow": "I can't put into my mind the phrase" RUSSIAN OCCUPATION FORCES IN UKRAINE "!!!!"

            Well, that can't be right. what Our occupation didn’t say anything about the occupation. request
            1. Hug
              Hug 2 March 2014 20: 17
              -5
              The first president of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk called on the Russian authorities to stop and prevent a war between peoples. He wrote about this in his blog on Snob.ru.


              “The worst thing that can be imagined is a war between Ukraine and Russia. I do not believe that this war can happen, but any dangerous actions of politicians can lead to a conflict. In the Federation Council are sitting sick peoplethey don’t understand what they say... We must stop and cool down, "the politician wrote.

              Kravchuk believes that Russia should think about relations between peoples, and not defend power. “We must give the people the right to figure out their own internal affairs,” the former president insists.

              The politician notes that at the moment Crimea is occupied and calls the actions of the Russian troops "in fact the seizure of territory." “Doesn't Russia really understand that it can become an aggressor, and Putin initiates aggression, and that this is the beginning of the Third World War?” He said indignantly.

              Kravchuk also stressed that every citizen will defend their territory as their home, and he is no exception. "My great-grandfather and grandfather fought in the First World War together with Russia and have royal awards. I am 80 years old, but I will take weapons and will defend my land," he writes.

              The former president also criticized the so-called "humanitarian mission" of Russia and also recalled that the Russian Federation is the guarantor of the territorial integrity of Ukraine. “Russia says that something is happening here that it doesn’t like. We also don’t like much of what is happening in Russia. But Russia itself must resolve its own issues,” Kravchuk said.

              He recalled the experience of Chechnya, where many civilians died, and noted that not only the military are killed in the war, for whom it is a professional duty. "There are also old people, women and children ... They also have to die by the will of some schizophrenic?", the politician asks.
              1. fzr1000
                fzr1000 2 March 2014 21: 57
                +3
                Enough to quote this scum. He, Brokeback, EBN and this one from Belarus, Shushkevich, will burn in Hell, and the descendants of their descendants will be the eternal stigma of Judah.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 2 March 2014 21: 59
                  0
                  Quote: fzr1000
                  He, Brokeback, EBN and this one from Belarus, Shushkevich, will burn in Hell, and the descendants of their descendants will be the eternal stigma of Judah.

                  In the future, Yeltsin will be spoken of as the man who kept Russia from collapse.
                  1. fzr1000
                    fzr1000 2 March 2014 22: 05
                    0
                    Come on .... We break it ourselves, fix it ourselves? "I have no more questions."
          2. aviator_IAS
            aviator_IAS 3 March 2014 11: 48
            0
            Quote: Kram
            Alexander Babich, Russian-speaking, Odessa historian

            And what do the Shenderovichs, Gozmans, Nemtsovs and other devotees say? In general, you will probably hear it. smile The stronger Russia is, the more squeals of different trash. This alone says that we are going in the right direction.
          3. xan
            xan 4 March 2014 00: 13
            +1
            Quote: Kram
            "I can't put into my mind the phrase" RUSSIAN OCCUPATION FORCES IN UKRAINE "!!!!"

            A Bandera in power in Kiev may mean scribbler!
        3. ele1285
          ele1285 2 March 2014 17: 44
          +3
          Quote: Kram
          Something it all reminds

          And so I'm right!

          It reminds me that I don’t understand anyone else, either Sashka Bilogo or Yarosh.
          And the rating does not mean at all that you are right or wrong. It says how people treat you on a particular site, that’s all. If you are so interested in rating, register on the trident’s website. You’ll be a generalissimo there.
        4. Kir
          Kir 2 March 2014 17: 50
          +3
          kram and how much is the truth today? Of course, this refers to the buck and other currencies native to you.
          1. Hug
            Hug 2 March 2014 20: 54
            -8
            Re.:Kir

            kram and how much is the truth today? Of course, this refers to the buck and other currencies native to you.


            Poor fellow - you speak directly with newspaper and television stamps. This, of course, is not fatal, but exaggerated slogan thinking, infected with a virus called D. Kiselyov, is not treated at Kashchenko. As for how much it costs, I will not say. In my 58 years, I have never sold my conscience, like some paid trolls. And about the clinical hero - go (o) the one who put the well-being of his country of Russia at stake, I can only say that he has very few opportunities left to get out of the foul-smelling situation into which he drove himself. And the sooner he realizes this, the better for Russians, incl. and for you, sickly. He and his "sixes" (Council of the Federation) still have the opportunity to save face, but if the Russian army gets bogged down in Ukraine, when the point of NO RETURN is passed, Russia may face very tragic events.
            Try to understand this, you are our zombie.
            1. Kir
              Kir 3 March 2014 02: 19
              0
              kram, I have nothing to do in the clinic, but in yours and Kashchenko it’s not going to work anymore, you have a terrible provocateur and hiring a diagnosis (who knows, this may also be a serious mental illness),
              1 soft method - camp for about eleven years
              2 medium hard-security prison
              3 hard-lifelong

              If you're talking about me, then I write on my own, as Conscience and Understanding of the situation dictates, but according to your conscience there are oo ... very serious questions, since apparently these "prisoners of conscience" are close to you, it is funny to God and sickeningly prisoners of that which from birth you did not have.
            2. Kir
              Kir 3 March 2014 02: 41
              0
              And about the clinical hero - go (oh), so don’t write something you don’t understand, because it’s just not given to you, go in the initial meaning of the word belonged to the Free Citizen not taking part in politics, and then he migrated to medicine , so operate with the application to Political figures, either in terms of the correct political and no other meaning, or be kind to use other terms.
        5. smile
          smile 2 March 2014 18: 36
          +3
          Hug
          Yes. it reminds us. that the side you support is lying. as her ideological ancestors - grandfather Hitler with Goebbels. Congratulations.
          And your joy that people negatively evaluate your lies looks strained. :))) You can express yourself more directly - you are lying and people see that you are lying, and this makes you happy. :))) So you are an unusually conscientious liar. Congratulations again. :)))
          1. Hug
            Hug 2 March 2014 19: 56
            -7
            Re .: smile

            Hug
            Yes. it reminds us. that the side you support is lying. as her ideological ancestors - grandfather Hitler with Goebbels. Congratulations.
            And your joy that people negatively evaluate your lies looks strained. :))) You can express yourself more directly - you are lying and people see that you are lying, and this makes you happy. :))) So you are an unusually conscientious liar. Congratulations again. :)))


            Russian channel caught showing "refugees from Ukraine to Russia" against the background of the Polish border
            http://rus.newsru.ua/ukraine/02mar2014/war_is_lie_is_war.html

            Russian "Channel One" talks about "an increase in the flow of migrants from Ukraine to Russia", and illustrates these messages in bursts of cars on the border with Poland. The corresponding story was shown on the air on Sunday, March 2.

            As reported in the report, over the past two weeks "fleeing the riots" from Ukraine to Russia have already left about "140 thousand people."

            At the same time, the plot shows the queues of cars at the Shegini-Medika checkpoint, which is located on the border of Ukraine and Poland.

            As the social activist Vitaliy Umanets wrote, everything is calm on the Ukrainian-Russian border, there are no queues or hype.

            As you know, in recent days, most Russian media have spread a lot of false messages about the situation in Ukraine.

            In particular, they were caught lying that the Ukrainian military massively lay down their arms and accept Russian citizenship.

            At the same time, the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine assured that all the military in Crimea are faithful to their oath and will defend the interests of the Ukrainian people to the last patron.
            1. Hug
              Hug 2 March 2014 20: 03
              -13%
              Aliens forever

              Vitaliy Eduardovich Portnikov - Ukrainian journalist and publicist


              It remains to take a few more steps on the Crimean land blown by all the winds - and the Russians for the Ukrainians will become invaders.

              It is painful to see how the ambitions of two conceited politicians — who believed in Putin’s imperial mission and clings to the remnants of power of Viktor Yanukovych — destroy mutual understanding between two peoples close to me. It hurts not at the political level - on the physical. It remains to take a few more steps on the Crimean land blown by all the winds - and the Russians for the Ukrainians will become invaders. Not Putin, not Medvedev, not Shoigu - Russians! Just like the Russians, not Stalin, were the invaders of Latvia or Estonia. Just as the Russians, not Brezhnev and Podgorny, were invaders of Czechoslovakia.

              I still remember the painful shame that I experienced in the 80s-90s when I spoke in Russian in Tallinn or Prague. Shame from looking at me. A silent reproach of a man whose people were forced to retreat in front of infuriated tanks and keep their freedom in their hearts. Perhaps it was more difficult for me, a non-Russian, than those Russians who identified themselves with the occupation and proud of by her. But in the end, it's not about the origin. It is a matter of conscience.

              Yes, everyone will also speak Russian here - but less and less. And this Russian for Ukrainian citizens will have nothing to do not only with the Russian state, but also with Russian culture, literature, history - as always happens in countries that resist aggression. Ukrainians - no matter what ethnic group they belong to - will drop drop by drop from themselves not a slave, but this centuries-old connection with Russia, which insulted and betrayed them.

              And then Ukraine will bloom, heal wounds, forget about the torn away territories - and, as is usually the case with happy countries, tourists from Russia will come to us in order to live with dignity at least a couple of days, as it doesn’t work out at home. They will be friendly, they will be surprised that they are fluent in Russian and wonder where the monuments to Pushkin and Bulgakov come from.

              Only they will be strangers here. Completely aliens. Aliens forever.
              1. fzr1000
                fzr1000 2 March 2014 22: 01
                +3
                I cried. "You should write novels, citizen chief."
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 2 March 2014 22: 13
                  +1
                  Quote: fzr1000
                  I cried. "You should write novels, citizen chief."

                  He copied it from somewhere, he did not compose it.
              2. Setrac
                Setrac 2 March 2014 22: 13
                0
                Quote: Kram
                A silent reproach of a man whose people were forced to retreat in front of infuriated tanks and keep their freedom in their hearts.

                Are you talking about the outraged Wehrmacht tanks? An interesting idiom is "Raging Tanks". What is your native language?
                Quote: Kram
                to live with dignity at least a couple of days

                What do you mean by "living with dignity."
              3. vlad63
                vlad63 3 March 2014 16: 45
                +1
                That's where "conscience", "truth", "freedom" comes from! This character was the herald of Maydaun, until a video (about 15 minutes) was posted in one of the newspapers with the joys of this A. She was terribly indignant and threatened punishment from the new government newspaper. He was no longer allowed to the microphone on the Maidan stage.
          2. Egoza
            Egoza 2 March 2014 21: 26
            +2
            Quote: smile
            Yes. it reminds us. that the side you support is lying. as her ideological ancestors - grandfather Hitler with Goebbels. Congratulations.

            What else could Kravchuk say? how can he condemn Bandera, if when he was a teenager he carried them food in caches, which he gladly told the world only under Yushchenko !!!! am
            Listen to Kravchuk - do not respect yourself!
            Kuchma immediately said that they lied to the media that he supported the denunciation of the Kharkov agreements .... so they did not invite him on TV! wink
        6. Cynic
          Cynic 2 March 2014 19: 29
          +3
          Quote: Kram
          Something it all reminds

          Yeah, too. How is it that one forum member from the marshals was written off for such allusions.
          Quote: Kram
          not to be a paper marshal to me - truth is more expensive.

          If you quote something, then at least re-read _
          Socrates is a friend, but the closest friend is truth.


          And yet, you are not original _
          “A lie must be monstrous to be believed in”
    12. lazy
      lazy 2 March 2014 14: 17
      +5
      that is not r_u_s_s_k_i_y you g_a_d_ё_n_y_sh dishonoring your people
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    14. T-73
      T-73 2 March 2014 19: 14
      0
      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      So, introducing troops into the Crimea, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin

      Facts to the studio!
    15. aviator_IAS
      aviator_IAS 3 March 2014 10: 24
      +1
      Lies in every word!

      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      - Written off debt to Ukraine in the amount of about 30 billion US dollars;

      Nobody has written off anything to anyone yet. There is simply no one to talk to now. When they find someone, more or less sane - they will ask for everything. yes

      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      “It made it even easier for Ukraine to receive international loans on favorable terms.”

      Which have not yet figured out who will give out. The funny thing is that they counted on Russia.

      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      He accelerated the entry of Ukraine into NATO, and the removal of disagreements on this issue from the domestic political agenda


      First, one of the main conditions for joining NATO is the absence of territorial disputes and conflicts. And secondly, you’ll talk about the settlement of differences in the south-east of Ukraine. Just be careful. They can beat a lot. In fact, the anti-NATO sentiment in the Russian-speaking areas has significantly increased. And in the western regions, when they realize that they were thrown as usual they will be very disappointed in NATO.

      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      Opened the possibility of revising the unpopular in Ukraine agreements on the lease of military bases in Crimea and the deployment of the Russian Black Sea Fleet there (in the medium term)


      What is the lease now? smile The Black Sea Fleet is at home and even grew numerically.
    16. aviator_IAS
      aviator_IAS 3 March 2014 10: 38
      +1
      We continue the conversation.

      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      Healed differences over the strategic direction of Ukraine’s development between its eastern and western regions, and rallied culturally different parts of Ukraine into a single nation

      You rave!

      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      Created a political cover for the transitional government and V.O. President to carry out inevitable, but extremely painful and unpopular reforms. Yesterday they were called "the government of suicides", but now, in the foreseeable future, most likely, it will be necessary to clear a new place in the hryvnia in order to print their portraits there


      No cloak will help these clowns))). They have a chance to become a government of suicides not in figurative expression, but in real life. Most likely they will be hanged by the Maidans themselves. Already, some MPs are trying to fill the face of the so-called. peaceful demonstrators. And about portraits even funnier! At least you saw these faces wassat ? With such a government, there will soon be so many zeros in hryvnias that the portrait simply has nowhere to insert.

      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      In addition, I would like to thank the Foreign Ministry and the Duma of Russia, for the efforts made to convince the Ukrainian fifth column to voluntarily renounce the right to participate in the Ukrainian elections, the right to own land, and from receiving pensions and other benefits and subsidies from the Ukrainian state


      What kind of pensions? privileges? subsidies? There is no money in the treasury if you are not in the know. They will appear there only if industrial areas begin to transfer money to Kiev, but something tells me that they will not do it. Who can force them to feed the parasites, on whose hands the blood of the Golden Eagles.

      In addition, I would like to thank the State Department and the European Union for investing billions of dollars spent on raising Russian patriotism. And not only Russian. Many Ukrainians with the Maidan people are not on the way.
  • sssla
    sssla 2 March 2014 10: 41
    -27%
    Quote: name
    - these guys will not back down and will not sell!

    AND THESE ARE FOR SALE ---At the general meeting, the personnel of the 1th Marine Battalion of the Ukrainian Navy in Feodosia (Crimea) decided to stand for Ukraine until the last sailor.

    This was announced on his Facebook page by a fleet history researcher, publicist, former Ukrainian Navy officer Miroslav Mamchak.

    “As one of the officers of the 1th Marine Battalion of the Ukrainian Navy in Feodosia just telephoned, the personnel of the battalion at the general meeting decided to stand for Ukraine until the last sailor,” the retired officer wrote.

    According to Mamchak, Ukrainian border guards managed to recapture the headquarters of the Ukrainian Navy. “Everything is under control,” he added.
    1. Name
      Name 2 March 2014 11: 00
      +7
      Quote: sssla
      said Fleet history researcher, publicist, former Ukrainian Navy officer Miroslav Mamchak.

      Do not believe the extras ... hi
      1. sssla
        sssla 2 March 2014 11: 20
        +4
        Quote: name
        Do not believe the extras ..

        Yes, we don’t believe, but bastards then there’s the trouble
    2. family tree
      family tree 2 March 2014 11: 15
      +7
      Miroslav Mamchak
      Retiree.

      Former editor-in-chief of the TV and radio center \ "Breeze \" of the Ukrainian Navy. Dismissed by Order of the Minister of Defense of September 25, 2010 No.

      Captain 1st rank.

      Born December 16, 1952 in the village of Knyazheskoye, Snyatinsky District, Ivano-Frankivsk Region. Ukrainian. Higher education.

      In the naval service since 1971. He served in the Baltic and Black Sea Fleets. He went from sailor to captain 1st rank.

      One of the first officers of the Black Sea Fleet who took the oath of office to the Ukrainian people. He stood at the origins of the creation of the Naval Forces of Ukraine, organized the publication of the newspaper \ "Ukrainian Fleet \" and the work of the TV and radio company \ "Breeze \", which has been headed since 1994.

      Chairman of the Union of Officers of Ukraine.

      Member of the National Union of Journalists of Ukraine. The author of verses of songs popular in the Navy, many polemical articles, reports and television programs and films.

      In 2001 he was awarded the Grand Prix (Main Prize) of the III All-Ukrainian Festival of Television and Radio Organizations of Ukraine in Odessa. The subject of historical research is related to the research of the naval history of Ukraine. Known as the author of the book \ "Naval commanders of Ukraine \", in which he substantiates the thesis that the Ukrainian fleet is the progenitor of the Russian one.

      Typical quote from an interview with Miroslav Mamchak:

      “Mamchak explains to me:

      - Here the Russian fleet is 300 years old, in Sevastopol even a street was named after this date. Although the city is only 200 years old and the 300th anniversary, we note that it does not apply! And the Ukrainian fleet is 507 years old! And it began precisely on the Crimean coast in the Ochakovo region. The fleet then consisted of gulls.

      - Gull?

      - A seagull is a small sailing-rowing vessel with a crew of up to 70 people, including a boarding group, that is, in fact, the Marine Corps.

      The first Ukrainian military sailors were Zaporozhye Cossacks. In 1492, they won their first victory - captured the Turkish galley, freed the rowing slaves, and sunk the ship. This is documented: there is a letter from the Crimean Khan to the King of Poland about this event. ”

      Chaika - an undecked flat-bottomed canoe of the Zaporozhye Cossacks of the 18th-3,6th centuries. in the form of a huge hollowed-out deck, lined with boards along the sides. The length is about 1,6 m, the width is 60 m and the height of the sides is XNUMX m. Outside the sides, to increase stability and buoyancy, a reed belt (fascines) with a diameter of about XNUMX cm was attached. Such a "lifebuoy" often helped the Cossacks to hide from enemy ships - in in case of danger, the "Seagull" was driven into the floodplains and sunk, while, thanks to the fascines, the boat received neutral buoyancy ( what but I kept wondering where the submarine came from in the steppes of Ukraine?), that is, it kept afloat in a flooded state. The vessel had transverse bulkheads and benches, a mast with a sail, 10–15 pairs of oars, a bow and stern rudders, accommodated up to 70 people. Armament of 4-6 falconets (guns of 30 mm caliber). On board there was a supply of weapons and provisions sufficient for long sea voyages.
      1. tupolev-95
        tupolev-95 2 March 2014 11: 48
        +11
        Well, everything is clear, editor-political officer-balabol-naval commander.
      2. fzr1000
        fzr1000 2 March 2014 22: 07
        +1
        Uncle, Stenka Razin walked on a seagull. Is he also from Ukraine? Or is this not written in the agitation?
    3. Fin
      Fin 2 March 2014 11: 49
      +7
      Quote: sssla
      “As one of the officers of the 1st Marine Corps Battalion of the Ukrainian Navy in Feodosia just telephoned, the personnel of the battalion at the general meeting decided to stand for Ukraine until the last sailor,”

      Yes, let them stand, no one will fight them. They serve, guard part, what problems?
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 2 March 2014 13: 28
        +10
        Quote: Fin
        They serve, guard part, what problems?

        soldiers of the newly recreated "Berkut" are also serving!
        here they are, true patriots, of their people !!!
        "Berkut" and militias at checkpoints in Armyansk ((((

        delivery of Russian passports !!!
        1. builder
          builder 2 March 2014 15: 36
          +11
          Finally, the machines were issued to Berkut - those wishing to leave the stones will be reduced
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    5. Ustian
      Ustian 2 March 2014 16: 10
      +4
      Quote: sssla
      Quote: name
      - these guys will not back down and will not sell!

      AND THESE ARE FOR SALE ---At the general meeting, the personnel of the 1th Marine Battalion of the Ukrainian Navy in Feodosia (Crimea) decided to stand for Ukraine until the last sailor.

      This was announced on his Facebook page by a fleet history researcher, publicist, former Ukrainian Navy officer Miroslav Mamchak.

      “As one of the officers of the 1th Marine Battalion of the Ukrainian Navy in Feodosia just telephoned, the personnel of the battalion at the general meeting decided to stand for Ukraine until the last sailor,” the retired officer wrote.

      According to Mamchak, Ukrainian border guards managed to recapture the headquarters of the Ukrainian Navy. “Everything is under control,” he added.

      The unarmed banderlogs in them have not yet been funded.
      1. sssla
        sssla 3 March 2014 11: 28
        +1
        Quote: Ustian
        The unarmed banderlogs in them have not yet been funded.

        Banderlogs are being pulled over to me of the minuses of kidanuli as cartridges in the shop of Kalash laughing
    6. Cynic
      Cynic 2 March 2014 20: 32
      +1
      Quote: sssla
      According to Mamchak, Ukrainian border guards managed to recapture the headquarters of the Ukrainian Navy. “Everything is under control,” he added.

      Whose?
    7. fzr1000
      fzr1000 2 March 2014 21: 37
      +1
      Who was recaptured?
  • xan
    xan 2 March 2014 15: 20
    +4
    Quote: name
    “On the Perekop Isthmus, which connects the Crimean peninsula with the rest of Ukraine, there are fighters from the Crimean Berkut.” These guys will not retreat and will not sell themselves!

    Yes, our warriors are there, polite people, well, maybe Golden Eagle too.
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  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 2 March 2014 07: 33
    +4
    authors respect hi
    Yeah. the main news from Ukraine is now no, close, vrezhiny.
    and what can the European Union do?
    as if the brain was damaged in the ring. I want money from the UES, but those of Netuti themselves request
    Well, and saak in the hands of guides ??? in Ukraine an excess of ties?
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    2. cumastra1
      cumastra1 2 March 2014 08: 45
      +6
      Pay attention to Sahak - where is the tie? Well gobbled up understandably, why not give out a new one?
  • MolGro
    MolGro 2 March 2014 07: 34
    +30
    dream the same)))
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 2 March 2014 07: 36
    +5
    Battleship Sagaidachny raised the Russian flag! I wonder how the rest of the Ukrainian Navy will behave?
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 2 March 2014 07: 43
      +12
      Quote: Neophyte
      Sagaidachny raised the Russian flag!
      German media report the transfer of 15.000 Russian soldiers to the Crimea.
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 2 March 2014 07: 47
        +7
        Hi, Sasha. hi
        Well, Moscow has always been polite in the international arena wink
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 2 March 2014 07: 49
          +29
          Hi Andryush. 01.03.2014/22/42 (XNUMX:XNUMX Kyiv time) Maidan fighters at the US Embassy in Kyiv. They are going to picket the embassy, ​​demanding help from America for the war with Russia. Well, sympathizers of the "Maidan", you still have doubts about what "Maidan" is and who is behind it
          1. andrei332809
            andrei332809 2 March 2014 08: 00
            +8
            Quote: Alex 241
            ... Well, sympathizers of the "Maidan", you still have doubts about what "Maidan" is and who is behind it

            and what? someone doubted? belay
          2. Alex 241
            Alex 241 2 March 2014 08: 09
            +21
            In the area of ​​the city of Yevpatoria (Autonomous Republic of Crimea), Russian servicemen "polite people" are trying to take control of one of the command posts of an anti-aircraft missile unit of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

            According to UNIAN, a source close to the tactical group “Crimea” of the Air Force of the Armed Forces, an hour ago, 15 armed servicemen drove into a military camp in a truck, neutralizing the outfit of the checkpoint before that.

            "Polite people" are trying to get into a protected command post of a military unit, the personnel of which is behind an armored door. The "polite" servicemen told the commander of the Ukrainian military unit that their goal was not to acquire weapons, but to control the protected command post.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 2 March 2014 08: 21
              +21
              "Polite people" in the Crimea !!!!!!!!
              1. andrei332809
                andrei332809 2 March 2014 09: 16
                +14
                Quote: Alex 241
                Polite people "in the Crimea !!!!!!!!

                Politeness is our EVERYTHING! angry
                1. cosmos111
                  cosmos111 2 March 2014 16: 50
                  +7
                  Quote: andrei332809
                  Politeness is our EVERYTHING!

                  the courtesy of POWER is everything good ((((

                  you have to be polite, but with big "KULAKAMI" >>>> Banderlog will climb right in the face !!!!
              2. Magadan
                Magadan 2 March 2014 10: 07
                +13
                Buddy, thanks for the photo! I accumulated them so that there was something on the Yankee sites to present about the "aggression of Russia". If it is possible, to get such types of Crimea, from which you cannot turn away and say that this is not Crimea. I just know in advance - they will say that this is not from there, but where the thread is in Magadan nafotkano
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 2 March 2014 17: 06
                  +6
                  Quote: Magadan
                  Buddy, thanks for the photo! I accumulated them so that there was something on the Yankee sites to present about the "aggression of Russia". If it is possible, to get such types of Crimea, from which you cannot turn away and say that this is not Crimea. I just know in advance - they will say that this is not from there, but where the thread is in Magadan nafotkano
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 2 March 2014 17: 14
                    +7
                    ..........................................................
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 2 March 2014 17: 25
                      +8
                      ................................................................
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 2 March 2014 17: 49
                        +5
                        Odessa News: Odessa, the yard, men slaughter a goat. From the 3rd floor a lady aged:
                        - Misha, bring mom kefir!
                        - Mom, you see, I’m busy?
                        - Oh, I can’t, he found time from the third floor to bring in a tripper, and he’s busy with kefir’s mom! Judging by the photo, everything is fine laughing
              3. R-118bm3
                R-118bm3 2 March 2014 12: 06
                +8
                Photos were moved to tears!
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            3. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 2 March 2014 08: 35
              +7
              Quote: Alex 241
              Polite people "are trying to break into a protected command post
              This is all good, but yesterday, according to the news, they showed a shootout in Simferopol, so our marine lay there without movement. In the video from 5 minutes
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 2 March 2014 08: 44
                +6
                I saw this report of Sasha, too, it struck my heart!
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 2 March 2014 08: 59
                  +2
                  According to the statements of journalists, Sasha was not seriously injured. God forbid that it would be so.
                  1. MAG
                    MAG 2 March 2014 12: 03
                    +3
                    Most likely it was ours simply not consistency. A man in jeans holds a GM-94 in his hands, and if my memory serves me, he is in service only with us. If anyone has info to whom it was sold abroad, share it.
              2. Mikado
                Mikado 2 March 2014 09: 05
                +8
                it’s not a Marine there, I saw photos more clear, there are two of them lying in the hb and an old-style pea jacket, without belts, bronics, etc., more like passers-by
          3. family tree
            family tree 2 March 2014 10: 17
            +3
            Quote: Alex 241
            They are going to picket the embassy, ​​demanding help from America for the war with Russia.

            This what , no need tanks yet.
            And right next, the United States appeared with generous offers from the IMF and the EU represented by the head of the European Parliament’s Foreign Affairs Committee, Elmar Brock, who promised Ukraine as much as 20 billion euros for reform.

            Here it is necessary technically, who are they connected with with taxiing? Hook it with a quiet glanders, wait until the dibs translate, then transfer to another account and (ta-dam-ta-tam!) TANKS IN KIEV. And then to give these to creditors, let them put them on the counter. And when in Ukraine they select an adequate collective farm chairman, then give them denyuzhki and give them for arrangement. wassat
          4. builder
            builder 2 March 2014 15: 41
            +1
            Well done commentator !!!! It's a pity that the "protesters" out of habit did not take "Molotov cocktails" and tires with them ....
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 March 2014 08: 28
        +6
        Quote: Alex 241
        German media report the transfer of 15.000 Russian soldiers to the Crimea.

        Hi Sanya! And Putin probably informed the German media about it. Add one more zero, it will be cooler than 150.000 winked
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 2 March 2014 08: 33
          +8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Add another zero, so it will be cooler 150.000

          Hi Sash, well, we are polite people.
          1. Alexander Romanov