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Super-howitzer "Coalition-SV": today on the T-90 chassis, tomorrow on the basis of "Armata"

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Super-howitzer "Coalition-SV": today on the T-90 chassis, tomorrow on the basis of "Armata"

As previously reported, at present, prototypes of this product have been manufactured and sent to the troops. This year, a new batch of CAO data will be produced, which will begin to undergo full-scale tests.


In general, according to some military experts, the good picture is spoiled by the fact that in the chassis of a promising self-propelled gun, according to their data, elements of the modern main tank T-90A. What's bad about it? "Ninety" is currently well mastered in the troops, the power of the 1000-horsepower engine V-92C2 is quite sufficient.

It is worth recalling that the X-NUMX-ton Germanic howitzer PzH-55 engine has exactly the same power. Domestic 2000C2 is much lighter than the German car and, moreover, more perfect. According to the magazine Arsenal of the Fatherland, the promising SAO of the brigade unit Coalition is distinguished by a deserted fighting compartment, the automatic formation of a modular propellant charge.

In addition, it has a pneumatic loading mechanism and a microwave propellant ignition system.

That is, according to the degree of innovation, the development of domestic designers has no serial analogues in the world. The systems created in the USA have long since been abandoned, and therefore Russia is currently becoming the leader in self-propelled artillery for many years.

It is possible that with time, as the chassis of the promising unified Armata platform is worked out, the fighting compartment will be transplanted onto it, and so far the right decision has been taken to operate on what is already there.
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  1. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 28 February 2014 13: 14
    +5
    It seems that while they praise, I have not heard anything about her artillery system yet. Double barrel!?
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 28 February 2014 13: 22
      +25
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      .Two-barrel!?

      Moreover, "vertical"!
      1. Genry
        Genry 28 February 2014 13: 39
        +4
        There will be NO double-barreled guns. The "coalition" was unified for the wheeled chassis.
        1. the47th
          the47th 1 March 2014 22: 45
          0
          It's a pity that it won't. Otherwise it would be the world's largest vertical.
      2. sds555
        sds555 28 February 2014 15: 11
        +1
        Here is the video in the topic
      3. Civil
        Civil 2 March 2014 14: 43
        0
        will be universal for different chassis ???
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 28 February 2014 13: 27
      +11
      The final version is "Single Barrel", a picture in the article from the first test samples ...
      1. SkiF_RnD
        SkiF_RnD 28 February 2014 13: 29
        +3
        Look would be. And then words, words. I would like to see for myself, so to speak ... repeat
        1. ShturmKGB
          ShturmKGB 28 February 2014 13: 42
          +16
          This is the final version on a wheeled chassis.
          1. sssss018
            sssss018 28 February 2014 14: 19
            +2
            Normal option!
          2. inkass_98
            inkass_98 28 February 2014 14: 55
            +3
            Somehow, it’s hard to believe in its stability when shooting from this angle. And the load on the platform is very significant, no matter how the frame is ground. This is not an 30 mm gun.
            1. dustycat
              dustycat 28 February 2014 15: 45
              +3
              Quote: inkass_98
              Somehow, it’s hard to believe in its stability when shooting from this angle. And the load on the platform is very significant, no matter how the frame is ground. This is not an 30 mm gun.

              The Swedish prototype with an armored glass cabin shoots quite successfully.
              Including adjustable shells.
        2. ShturmKGB
          ShturmKGB 28 February 2014 13: 44
          +9
          and this is experimental
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          2. Genry
            Genry 28 February 2014 14: 01
            +7
            Layout on the T90

            http://s8.uploads.ru/VjohR.jpg
        3. saber
          saber 1 March 2014 09: 01
          0
          We stood at the assembly several years ago. cool
      2. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 28 February 2014 14: 59
        +2
        maybe not final, maybe just for the period of the test, and then finalized with two trunks.
  2. alex-s
    alex-s 28 February 2014 13: 16
    +14
    It is worth recalling that the 55-ton German howitzer PzH-2000 has an engine of exactly the same power. Domestic 2C35 is much lighter than a German car and, moreover, more advanced.

    Well, now you can again with the Germans pussy measured! laughing
    1. Spnsr
      Spnsr 28 February 2014 13: 49
      +4
      Quote: alex-s
      Well, now you can again with the Germans pussy measured! laughing


      http://warfiles.ru/show-49355-angliyskie-morpehi-primerzli-k-pampersam-i-otkazal
      is-ot-uchastiya-v-ucheniyah.html

      laughing
    2. dustycat
      dustycat 28 February 2014 15: 47
      +1
      Quote: alex-s
      Well, now you can again with the Germans pussy measured!

      But the same with the Swedish one, but with no armored glass cabin ?!
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    1. Shoma-1970
      Shoma-1970 28 February 2014 13: 26
      +6
      And why win, maybe he just needs the troops?
      1. SkiF_RnD
        SkiF_RnD 28 February 2014 13: 34
        +1
        I agree. The main thing is not to be "better". Like catch up and overtake. And so that what we need. The barreled artillery did not go anywhere. The states did not begin to master new projects to save money. Can't believe it? But they now have economy - this is a general trend in the troops. The Germans also designed it. Fools, then? It's just that the United States, as usual, is going to sit out overseas in the case of something. And there, yes, from howitzers really a little bit winked
    2. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 28 February 2014 13: 32
      +12
      There will be no double-barreled shotgun. And so you know modern batteries work in conjunction with the UAV. By the way, our art will be better than the Amov and German, as it is fully automated. The fact that it was set at 90 is temporary. And just do it even put on a typhoon. plus a marine version is planned for complete unification. But IMHO, I would have bought a vein so that there would be 2 art systems.
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 28 February 2014 15: 49
        0
        Are we modestly silent about the Swedes?
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          Alexey Prikazchikov 28 February 2014 16: 49
          +1
          And what about the Swedes, their arata, in theory, is still being finished, although you can buy it now.
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      2. Armata
        Armata 28 February 2014 16: 59
        0
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        By the way, our art will be better than the Amov and German, as it is fully automated. The fact that it was installed on 90 is so temporary. And just do it even put on a typhoon. plus a marine version is planned for complete unification. But IMHO, I would still buy a vein that would be an 2 art system.

        and who told you that stop No need to troll so rudely without basic information. wassat Or who will stand out from the crowd of "writers"? Leish would blur out.
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  4. Aristarch
    Aristarch 28 February 2014 13: 34
    +3
    Prompting about the events that Seshea unfolds at our borders (Ukraine), such howitzers are very necessary, and in general, we now have to invest even more in the defense industry, otherwise we will be smeared ...
  5. Alexandr 2
    Alexandr 2 28 February 2014 13: 37
    +3
    “Instead of RDX, a much higher density substance was used in the gun. It exploded using plasma initiation - a special discharge. Due to the high density, the detonation speed is also higher than conventional explosives, and due to the use of plasma, in addition to kinetic energy, an electromagnetic pulse acts on the projectile, ”said an employee of the defense industry complex D. Telmanov.
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 28 February 2014 13: 53
      +1
      Straight, transgalactic megaloplasm. smile

      Of course, I apologize for the involuntary scumbag. In fact, I want to hear at least, on this occasion, some details from specialists of any level.
    2. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 28 February 2014 14: 56
      +1
      And if we admit a projectile corrected or with an electronic fuse, how about their own EM pulse in their own electronics? What does the high detonation rate of the charge have to do with it, the burning rate of the charge, on the contrary, stretches or increases the amount of charge in order to improve the ballistic characteristics. This OPKD officer is either really an "employee" of one office and goes over the ears, or he simply threw Telmanov for beer and mocked him for this case.
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 28 February 2014 15: 55
        +2
        The corrected projectile flies from the barrel with a steel bottom to the chamber where the powder charge is burning.
        Metal microwave radiation extinguishes without problems.
        In addition, hot gases from a powder charge are already plasma. Any plasma effectively absorbs microwave radiation like any electromagnetic one.
        Well, the exposure time of the microwave pulse is scanty - by the time the product takes off from the barrel, everything is already turned off.
    3. alex86
      alex86 28 February 2014 18: 15
      +4
      Quote: Alexandr 2
      Instead of RDX
      - RDX is not used in propellant charges, and oh
      Quote: Alexandr 2
      knock speed
      it is not entirely correct to say - the propellant charge in the gun does not explode, but quickly burns out, if it "explodes" (hexogen), the barrel will simply burst before it can push the projectile. About
      Quote: Alexandr 2
      the use of plasma, in addition to kinetic energy, is affected by an electromagnetic pulse ",
      Well, this is generally nonsense - if a microwave mechanism for initiating a propellant charge is used, then this is just a "lighter", there is no equipment for an electromagnetic pulse - so, "a spherical horse in a vacuum".
  6. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 28 February 2014 13: 37
    +10
    has no serial analogues in the world
    Compared to what?
    PzH-2000 is already produced and is in service.

    Germany - 185 units;
    Greece - 24 units;
    Italy - 70 units;
    Netherlands - 57 units.

    And ours is just being designed (Armata platform).
    And how many units were delivered to the troops on the T-90 chassis?
    At least one battery is typed?
    That's it, otherwise everything has no analogues, has no analogues.
    They have already lifted up their ears with this "pink" noodles.
    1. shuhartred
      shuhartred 28 February 2014 14: 24
      +1
      Quote: wanderer_032
      That's it, otherwise everything has no analogues, has no analogues.

      No one has a double-barreled one. Look closely at the article there in the picture of the double-barreled gun. And you just croak "everything is lost." And it would not hurt to compare the performance characteristics of the German and ours, maybe it really has no analogues, but the fact that the German one is produced is not an argument. Do we have any self-propelled guns produced at all and do not enter the troops? Here it is, otherwise all CAR-R-R CAR-R-R-R.
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 28 February 2014 14: 43
        +7
        Quote: shuhartred
        And you just croak "everything is lost."

        Yes, not only.
        Now, if these self-propelled guns were already in service with our artillery units, then it would make sense to talk about it has no analogues. And only after some time of operation in the army.
        And since the machine is still at the design stage and the OCD is located, it seems as if all the artillery units have transferred noise to them.
        Quote: shuhartred
        Yes, and it would not hurt to compare the performance characteristics of German and ours, maybe the truth has no analogues, but the fact that German is produced is not an argument.

        Comparison of performance characteristics alone does not give much. Let's say we have a couple of such self-propelled guns and those are still in the testing phase, so what?
        And the "Bundes" have their car already mass-produced and in service, and this is a significant difference because their calculations have mastered their equipment and are ready to perform combat missions on it, combat units have been created in their units, shells have been delivered and other supplies of property have been created and mat.sr-v. That is, their cars are ready to fight even tomorrow, and ours are not even on the assembly line.
        There is a difference?
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 28 February 2014 17: 08
          0
          Quote: wanderer_032
          Now, if these self-propelled guns would already be in service with our artillery units, then there would be

          now in service with "Msta-S", modernize the MSA, and will serve for another 20 years (((
          to mount the "Kaolitsiya" self-propelled guns on the "Armata" chassis, an impermissible luxury !!!!

          First of all, tracked chassis are needed for the production of MBT !!! T-BTR, T-BMP!!!
        2. shuhartred
          shuhartred 28 February 2014 17: 54
          +1
          Quote: wanderer_032
          That is, their cars are ready to fight at least tomorrow, and ours are not even on the assembly line yet.
          There is a difference?

          That is, in our army there are no self-propelled guns at all, and there’s nothing to fight at, and nothing is produced in series with us? Bear with it a little and everything will raise a panic. And you can really compare only in battle, in the present.
      2. dustycat
        dustycat 28 February 2014 16: 02
        +2
        The Swedes also had a double-barreled prototype.
        But then they simply accelerated the loading mechanism (made a pre-assembly of shells) and left one barrel.
        And from a triple cabin turned out.
        Left a single armored glass.
    2. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
      +5
      Quote: wanderer_032
      At least one battery is typed?


      And we have 600 units MSTA-S!
      1. gorsten79
        gorsten79 28 February 2014 14: 47
        +4
        600 is, of course, more than 185. in Germany. But all of the countries listed are included in NATO. Yes, and Russia has some territory. Now I am generally skeptical about the quantity of Russian weapons to foreign ones after the Soviet Army. I am sure that wars with NATO will not. But still read about battalion sets of tanks per year. .About the rearmament division of tactical missiles to read is not very joyful. Education is not that.
    3. cosmos111
      cosmos111 28 February 2014 17: 01
      0
      Quote: wanderer_032
      And how many units were delivered to the troops on the T-90 chassis?
      At least one battery is typed?

      why use the T-90 chassis >>> T-72B for testing, ((((
      and the troops to purchase MBT T-90, instead of the wretched modernization of T-72B3 ((((
      Quote: wanderer_032
      PzH-2000 is already produced and is in service.

      not ideal self-propelled guns, tracked chassis PzH-2000 with anti-splinter armor (((
      here is Yu.Koreyskaya "Thunder", much more technologically advanced, both in terms of OMS and automation of the process (((
      Quote: wanderer_032
      That's it, otherwise everything has no analogues, has no analogues.

      analogues already exist, this is "Donar" developed by Krauss-Maffei and the European division of General Dynamics (((
      ACS "Donar" can fire from closed positions both in normal, remote-controlled and completely autonomous mode !!!
      firing range "Donar" up to 56 km (((
      ACS "Donar", tracked chassis of BMP Ascod 2, uninhabited combat module with circular guidance with 155-mm, PzH2000 howitzer with 52 caliber barrel length (((
      armored cockpit, on a tracked chassis, for two crew members of the commander and driver ((((
      ACS "Donar" fires 155-mm separate loading ammunition - ammunition, in the combat module, 30 rounds (((
    4. Astral
      Astral 28 February 2014 20: 52
      0
      The PzH-2000 is real. And it is not correct to compare it with the "Coalition". PzH-2000 must be compared with the latest modifications of "Msta", and they are already supplied to the troops in series. And then in some respects it is already ahead of the German one.
      And the "Coalition" is a fully automated art, the gun and ammunition are located in an uninhabited tower, the crew is isolated from the fighting compartment. Which is not yet implemented in German. the ignition process is also new.
    5. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 28 February 2014 21: 39
      0
      Quote: wanderer_032
      has no serial analogues in the world
      Compared to what?
      PzH-2000 is already produced and is in service.

      Speaking specifically about the PzH-2000, then the gun of this self-propelled gun has a semi-automatic shutter. That is, it is not automatic: the shells are loaded automatically, but the charges are manually and then manually close the shutter (as in our MSTA-s, which has long been in service with us).
      And the Coalition is a complete machine.
  7. davas72
    davas72 28 February 2014 13: 39
    0
    Two trunks --- this is serious!
    1. Genry
      Genry 28 February 2014 13: 41
      +3
      Just to blurt out.
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    3. dustycat
      dustycat 28 February 2014 16: 03
      +1
      Seriously, this is a drum with four to six pre-assembled charges aligned with the barrel.
  8. Flibustiero
    Flibustiero 28 February 2014 13: 45
    +2
    It seems to me that one barrel is enough :)
    1. Sirs
      Sirs 28 February 2014 13: 51
      +3
      2 barrels for concentration of fire on target, respectively with 1 barrel system, 2 times as many sau and naturally people, fuel are needed, and this is logistical problems, etc. etc.
  9. buzer
    buzer 28 February 2014 13: 56
    0
    And in the world there are similar double-barreled self-propelled guns ??? Who's in the subject? Not necessarily of the same class, but simply with two or more barrels. Exactly howitzer, otherwise remember about the "Shilka" ...
  10. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 28 February 2014 13: 57
    0
    And I like the shotgun. If one seems to be worn out. then you can slowly wait for a spare and continue to work on goals.
    We have already talked about the density of fire.

    ...
    It is interesting, in reality, to calculate the efficiency / cost of introducing double-barreled loading, in relation to the logistics costs and losses in the battle of a single-barrel and double-barreled installation.
  11. kelevra
    kelevra 28 February 2014 14: 03
    +1
    TOXIC on the chassis of the T-90 tank! Hunting weapons designed to shoot tanks and destroy enemy buildings! laughing Imagine the faces of Americans!
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  13. semuil
    semuil 28 February 2014 14: 08
    +3
    And when will this miracle of technology appear? Cho should yell hurray beforehand,
  14. platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 28 February 2014 14: 09
    +6
    Quote: wanderer_032

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    good thing, but for now we also have
    modern artillery systems 122 mm 2C1 Gvozdika, 152,4 mm 2C3 Acacia and 2C5 Hyacinth, 203 mm 2C7 Peony, 240 mm self-propelled mortar 2C4 Tulip. Further development led to the creation of the most advanced Soviet and Russian self-propelled guns - the airborne 120 mm 2C9 Nona and 152,4 mm 2C19 Msta-S.
    1. semuil
      semuil 28 February 2014 14: 15
      +6
      Commendable! I also forgot the 125-mm anti-tank gun with self-propelled 2A45M, 2C31 "Vienna".
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 28 February 2014 14: 23
        +1
        Actually, I wrote about a specific self-propelled guns.
        "Coalition-SV" and nothing more.
        How many of these self-propelled guns do we have in service with the T-90A chassis?
        Who will say?
        1. shuhartred
          shuhartred 28 February 2014 18: 11
          +2
          Quote: wanderer_032
          How many of these self-propelled guns do we have in service with the T-90A chassis?

          You are about a promising self-propelled guns, and you are immediately armed. The written test passes, it means that not a single T-50 is armed with a single armata either ((in a whisper), everything was gone). More questions?
      2. 1c-inform-city
        1c-inform-city 28 February 2014 22: 03
        +1
        We also forgot the A-222 "Shore" 130mm coastal complex, by the way on a wheeled chassis.
    2. 2c5
      2c5 1 March 2014 08: 55
      0
      I don’t know about the rest of the artifacts, but about 2s5-I served on it. From Division 3, a maximum of 4 is in working condition. And then if it’s possible to call it working condition. When I was in training, they generally shot from the ground manually. he didn’t say.
  15. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 28 February 2014 14: 18
    +1
    ShturmKGB
    This is the final version on a wheeled chassis.

    It looks like geacint
  16. QWEST
    QWEST 28 February 2014 14: 18
    0
    this is power
  17. Arh
    Arh 28 February 2014 14: 31
    +3
    Super-howitzer "Coalition-SV" from 37-30 minutes! ! !
  18. Lissyara
    Lissyara 28 February 2014 14: 35
    0
    No, just some kind of battleship on the tracks. The third barrel is missing in the main caliber.
  19. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 28 February 2014 14: 38
    0
    Quote: sssss018
    Normal option!

    What's normal? I understand that this weapon is not for advanced positions. But the installation time of the supports, alignment horizontally, so as not to tip over, then after the volley it is necessary to urgently change the dislocation - this is where it will be covered while it is going on a hiking trip. And on the basis of the tank - the hull and chassis are heavy, will not turn over, the all-terrain vehicle is full, in any fields, forests, and passable swamps. He shot back, started the engine and forward, change the location. And if he chose an unsuccessful place, he quickly drove away, searched and hid. And the crew behind the armor, not in the ditch or behind the tree.
    1. Genry
      Genry 28 February 2014 17: 09
      +1
      Quote: Алексей_К
      But the installation time of the supports, alignment horizontally, so as not to tip over, then after the volley it is necessary to urgently change the location - this is where it will be covered while it is going on a hiking trip.


      Before the first shot, you can safely turn around, scout, program a volley. Start the engine in front of the salvo.
      And when he fired back, he automatically lifted the supports and escaped the supports.

      Chassis, wheels or tracks, depending on the terrain. On wheels faster and cheaper. But in the swamps and ravines - caterpillars. Although occasionally you can use tractors.
    2. Genry
      Genry 28 February 2014 17: 09
      0
      Quote: Алексей_К
      But the installation time of the supports, alignment horizontally, so as not to tip over, then after the volley it is necessary to urgently change the location - this is where it will be covered while it is going on a hiking trip.


      Before the first shot, you can safely turn around, scout, program a volley. Start the engine in front of the salvo.
      And when he fired back, he automatically lifted the supports and escaped the supports.

      Chassis, wheels or tracks, depending on the terrain. On wheels faster and cheaper. But in the swamps and ravines - caterpillars. Although occasionally you can use tractors.
  20. iConst
    iConst 28 February 2014 14: 46
    0
    Quote: Flibustiero
    It seems to me that one barrel is enough

    No, not enough.
    The task is to manage to release shells over the area as much as possible and hit the road until the returning hotel arrives.

    Therefore, there is a method of firing, when each subsequent shot the gun automatically changes the angle so that the shells fall simultaneously.
    1. andrey682006
      andrey682006 4 March 2014 09: 16
      0
      And what is the loading speed in the double-barrel Coalition?
      I read that due to the increase in the loading time of two trunks compared to one, the rate of fire increases slightly, and the price - much.
  21. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 28 February 2014 14: 49
    +2
    Pneumatics in the units is always worse in terms of parameters and reliability than hydraulics, hydraulics in simplicity and maintainability is worse than mechanics. In general, pneumatics is the last thing to put. And so interesting of course.
  22. Intensive
    Intensive 28 February 2014 15: 46
    0
    What stage of the test does the product pass?
  23. komissar1973
    komissar1973 28 February 2014 16: 02
    +4
    Comment by a specialist :)))) I have been using artillery for 24 years. The conclusion is that there are 2C1, 2C3, 2C19, 2C9, 2C23, (2C5) CAO - excellent, 2C19 in my opinion is too high-tech - only for a specialist in a narrow profile on 2C19.
    Requires a common for all ASUNO (automated, control and guidance systems) updated line of ammunition, VTB is in doubt. New barrels, a system for accounting for deviations of the initial velocity of the projectile, a new line of propellant charges and, most importantly, reconnaissance and target designation systems capable of transmitting not data on the target but installations for firing close to real time directly to Asuno. And the fact that they are developing too expensive, Russia will have 10-12 adn in the court brigades and their combat effectiveness is questionable Archer’s example isn’t something like that ......
  24. Dmitry Toderes
    Dmitry Toderes 28 February 2014 16: 12
    +1
    "deserted fighting compartment". Excellent. Automation is in full swing - unmanned tanks and howitzers are coming soon. fellow
    "microwave propellant ignition system." And this is definitely new technology. And American ordinary people still think that the American troops are the most advanced.

    Interestingly, isn’t she in the photo?
  25. AGM-114
    AGM-114 28 February 2014 16: 28
    -1
    and therefore, Russia is now becoming a leader in self-propelled artillery for many years.

    PzH 2000 is laughing at this post.
  26. Adzhimushkay
    Adzhimushkay 28 February 2014 16: 34
    +1
    Gentlemen, I want to ask for a long time why do not put muzzle brakes on tank guns? In a nutshell, I needed the thing, I stood on the TIGER, I stood on the ISE, but right now it's dumb.
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 28 February 2014 21: 50
      0
      Object 187 (a former contender for the T-90 place) had a muzzle brake on the cannon.

  27. iConst
    iConst 28 February 2014 16: 39
    +1
    Quote: Adzhimushkay
    Gentlemen, I want to ask for a long time why do not put muzzle brakes on tank guns? In a nutshell, I needed the thing, I stood on the TIGER, I stood on the ISE, but right now it's dumb.

    There may be problems with ammunition in which stabilizers, etc.

    But rather, recoil is not a problem with guns of this caliber.
  28. ALEK7SANDR
    ALEK7SANDR 28 February 2014 17: 39
    0
    cool car
  29. Leshka
    Leshka 28 February 2014 18: 10
    0
    I wonder what happens
  30. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 28 February 2014 18: 13
    +1
    Awesome car, I would say. People. Two trunks is not this for you!
  31. Deonisiy
    Deonisiy 28 February 2014 18: 35
    +2
    This complex is simply necessary when conducting combat operations with a high density of air defense
    Respect to designers for such a handsome man
  32. muhomor
    muhomor 28 February 2014 19: 12
    +1
    You can minus, but the system is expensive, complex and expensive to operate. The cost-effectiveness criterion is questionable. To train our soldiers in one year to effectively master such equipment, and most importantly, it is very difficult to repair. According to the criterion of accuracy-range-rate of fire, even our towed howitzers are not inferior to the "golden" and sophisticated system.
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 28 February 2014 21: 21
      +1
      The essence of this artillery is to shoot as soon as possible over the entire ammunition over the areas and hit the road from this place, otherwise they will destroy it. And the rate of fire depends on the automatic loading. Try to manually turn 200 kg. shells, even if they are separate loading.
      1. Professor
        Professor 1 March 2014 09: 21
        0
        Quote: Алексей_К
        Try to manually turn 200 kg. shells, even if they are separate loading.

        Why 2 tons? wink
  33. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 28 February 2014 21: 17
    0
    Quote: Genry
    Chassis, wheels or tracks, depending on the terrain.

    In your opinion, the battles are only on the roads, and even asphalt, just like the Germans argue. There are almost no roads in Russia, even in comparison with Europe 1941. This machine, such as Kraz, will not be able to move along bumpy field roads. It will roll over on the move due to the high and heavy artillery mount. And now the battle: you shot back, the order to go to 40 km. away from the road. And that's it, they’re stuck, either a bumpy field with slopes, or high-rises, or a forest. Fuck such an immobile system. And protection against a nuclear strike, in the form of armor, no!
    1. Professor
      Professor 1 March 2014 09: 23
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      Quote: Алексей_К
      And protection against a nuclear strike, in the form of armor, no!

      Nuclear strike protection? Does urine blow to the head have protection? wassat

      PS
      Are kindergarten unplanned vacations?
  34. fktrcfylhn61
    fktrcfylhn61 28 February 2014 22: 55
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    Howitzer is good! I have no words! Nearly! But if it was created by the same morons as the Word of Tank that you advertise! Then she, too, is like a petikanthrop from the Stone Age! With a complete lack of scope full of programmable bugs! That is, hiding opponents later displaying them and flying a rifled shell like a stone core! Then in the sky then in the ground before the goal! Completely justifies your advertising !!! And these planes are absolute brakes! This dynamics is worthy of dinosaurs with a small head, in your case its absence! From the beginning, you have made efforts to tanks, and they have lived to this day! Dinosaurs do not fly so much!
  35. pv1005
    pv1005 28 February 2014 23: 20
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    Quote: Алексей_К
    The essence of this artillery is to shoot as soon as possible over the entire ammunition over the areas and hit the road from this place, otherwise they will destroy it. And the rate of fire depends on the automatic loading. Try to manually turn 200 kg. shells, even if they are separate loading.


    Do not be delirious if you don’t know the basics of using artillery in battle. And where did you get the shell in the self-propelled guns under 200kg?
  36. pulemetchik_39
    pulemetchik_39 1 March 2014 01: 44
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    I remember that in one game of the 90s "Red Alert" the Union had a tank with a dual gun, and smashed everything it could reach. So, it seems that the fears of traps have come true 100%. wink
  37. Garik1971
    Garik1971 1 March 2014 10: 38
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    Quote: pulemetchik_39
    I remember that in one game of the 90s "Red Alert" the Union had a tank with a dual gun, and smashed everything it could reach. So, it seems that the fears of traps have come true 100%. wink

    Dv mammoth was called. Perhaps
    "Double-barreled" were theoretically considered. Even this image excites fantasy. But most likely this "pseudo-revolutionary" double-leafed - served to distract attention from the true essence of the project.
  38. komissar1973
    komissar1973 1 March 2014 11: 40
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    Again the comment of a specialist :))) artillery shell (let's take the calculated average for specialists) when hit in the reduced area of ​​destruction, GOALS are not in the target but in this cool area the target hits 100% but this happens in mathematical calculations and in the polygon conditions in life when firing at snow cover from 30 cm, the effectiveness is 1,5-2 times down, when shooting on a rocky surface in the same 1,5 - 2 times the top, with a sudden fire on the target, the effectiveness of hitting the target is 2-3 times greater if the enemy waiting for the fire, it’s close to zero, well, for a snack, the reduced lesion area of ​​one frag is 100 m2 in height, and if it lies 25 m2 like something ......... think think two barrels, one is cool, not cool;)) )))))
  39. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 1 March 2014 12: 00
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    In general, to save money, it would not have been easier to bury a nuclear projectile with a remote control; or even two - where it’s not, well, say in Greece or Germany, or near the borders of Iran. It doesn’t matter in the center or in the surroundings.


    So to speak for a "holding strike", you see, and it would be time to collect the battery, and, as women say, it is not the length that is important, but the diameter.

    PS: But it looks like an exhibit for the Arabs; it’ll definitely shoot to Uranus.
  40. 9CAM
    9CAM 25 August 2014 09: 21
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    The fact that they removed the second trunk is good for mobility. It can stick to many bases. But if they left the second barrel and developed the chassis, it would be better in terms of rate of fire. In the world now mobility is held in high esteem so that there will definitely not be a second trunk (((But the fact that there is a full atom is awesome yes At this rate, the machine gun will soon become muddy. laughing