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Unnecessary haste

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Unnecessary hasteOnce again on the issue of Eurasian integration


Summary: For Kazakhstan and Russia, bilateral relations will always be of paramount importance. They are more important than multilateral integration, because they existed before the creation of the Customs Union and will be preserved, even if the latter does not become.


By the end of 2013, the positions of the main participants in the unification process within the framework of the Customs Union were generally clarified. The December meeting of the Supreme Economic Council in Moscow was very important, during which the limits of possible integration were set. In particular, they are connected with the idea of ​​adopting road maps for Armenia and Kyrgyzstan. The fact of approving such an approach meant that the plan for rapid expansion is on a formalized track, and this requires potential participants to have time to go through the accession procedures. Thus, the CU becomes more similar to the European Union, the creation of which provided for the equalization of the parameters of its member states. Accordingly, rapid expansion, motivated exclusively politically, is impossible.

POLICY OR ECONOMY

Actually, this was the position of Kazakhstan, which recently focuses only on the economic nature of the association, while Russia is increasingly striving to use the CU as an “umbrella” brand to unite a large number of countries in the post-Soviet space and even beyond .

Such an approach can be completely explained by Russian vital interests. Clearly, the desire to speed up the integration processes and the apparent dissatisfaction of a part of the Russian establishment with having to look for compromises with Astana and Minsk. This is partly perceived as an undesirable dependence on obviously weaker partners, which indirectly impede the realization of global Russian interests. But in economic terms, Russia undoubtedly dominates in the organization and theoretically could not pay attention to the opinion of two other countries.

However, Russia needs precisely the Customs Union, that is, the partner countries. But in order to interest them, attractive conditions are necessary. The latter implies the existence of relatively equal relations, which means that the Kremlin cannot use the potential of the CU solely at its own discretion. What are the interests of Moscow? If they are related to the economy, then Russia should be the first to oppose the admission of weak participants to the community, to advocate that all candidates go through the appropriate preparatory procedures. Otherwise, the economically strong participants of the project, primarily from Russia, will require significant costs, including direct payments.

Nevertheless, the Russian side is constantly expanding the list of candidates. At first it was Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, then Armenia appeared, then the issue of Ukraine began to be discussed. In all these cases, political factors play, no doubt, a more important role than economic ones.

For example, it is obvious that Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan are of interest from the point of view of the need to ensure Russia's geopolitical presence in Central Asia. Starting from the 1990's. these two countries played an exceptional role here. Especially since Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan have chosen, in fact, the opposite vector of geopolitical orientation. For example, it was in 1998 year. At that time, only the Russian military presence in Tajikistan ensured Russia's influence not only in the region, but also in the strategically important Afghan sector. Therefore, a close relationship between Dushanbe and Bishkek with Moscow, in particular, within the framework of an integration association, would undoubtedly contribute to more effectively ensuring the interests of Russia in the region. Accordingly, the desire to include these two countries in the CU has a distinctly political meaning.

The situation is similar with Armenia. This country is already a traditional ally of Moscow in the Transcaucasus, Russian influence there can hardly be overestimated. True, Yerevan sought to cooperate with the European Union, but this was not particularly significant due to the peripheral position of Armenia. However, in 2013, the Armenian leadership takes a rather unexpected decision to join the CU, which is fully supported by Moscow. And again there is a step that is based not on economic, but on political interests. After all, from an economic point of view, the entry of Armenia does not make much sense: there is no common border, the volume of the economy is insignificant. But Moscow’s geopolitical reason is obvious, but Yerevan is concerned about its own security due to the continuing risks from Karabakh, as well as from the ambiguity of the situation around Iran’s nuclear program.

Another clearly political motivation is behind the discussion about the likely entry of Ukraine, which has actively developed in the last months of 2013. The variant with the CU was considered as a political alternative to the orientation of Ukraine towards Europe. In general, the completion of last year is indicative of the price that Russia has to pay for the policy of attracting new members to the organization. Large loans were issued to Kiev and Minsk, contracts for preferential supplies of oil from Belarus to 2014 were signed, it is necessary to pay for the construction of hydropower stations in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, etc. There is Moscow’s desire to collect a certain number of countries in the CU, regardless of costs. The integration process is in a great hurry. About his quality can not speak. The emergence of all new candidates with their problems only complicates the situation within the association, even though too many problems have accumulated in it over two and a half years of work, some of which can rather be called deep systemic contradictions.

ASYMMETRY OF RELATIONS

The first thing you should pay attention to is not only the very different scales of the economies of the three countries that formed the initial basis of the CU, but also the different principles of their organization. The economies of Kazakhstan and Russia are very similar to each other. In addition, they are, albeit in varying degrees, but still integrated into the world economic system and live by its rules, which cannot be said about the economy of Belarus.

In the most general sense, Minsk is trying to preserve the Soviet model of governance, devoid of communist ideology. Naturally, the country inherited not only the previous production base, but also all the major vices of the economy of the USSR, which led to its collapse. The main thing - the overall inefficiency and lack of competitiveness. Obviously, the Belarusian national economy would not have survived without special relations with Russia, including the ability to resell products of refined Russian oil.

The merging of two market countries - Russia and Kazakhstan - with a non-market Belarus obviously contradicts the main rule of any integration - preliminary rapprochement, harmonization of participants' parameters. After all, the simple opening of customs borders not only makes available new markets, but also increases the level of competition. Therefore, having received the possibility of some growth in sales of its products in the markets of Kazakhstan and Russia, the Belarusian economy had to face reciprocal competition.

In addition, Russia and Kazakhstan on the eve of the creation of the Customs Union did not hide their intention to join the WTO, even the question of a joint application was discussed. Russia became a member of the WTO in 2012, Kazakhstan is going to follow its example in 2014. Accordingly, further liberalization of foreign trade is inevitable. It is not clear what will happen to the Belarusian economy, its status will become even more uncertain, and the situation will only worsen. Belarus today looks like the fifth wheel in the integration cart.

Not everything goes smoothly in the economic relations of two clear leaders of the CU - Moscow and Astana. Among the arguments of proponents of integration was the thesis that Kazakhstan with its low taxes (VAT 12% against Russian 18%, 10% of income tax against 13% in Russia, a much lower social tax), more favorable economic climate (47-place rated by Doing Business against 112, Russia) will definitely benefit from integration into the Customs Union. Theoretically, Kazakhstan could become a platform for the production of goods, which would then have access to the market with a population of 170 million.

Expectations, however, did not materialize. Moreover, according to the Eurasian Economic Commission, imports from Russia to Kazakhstan from 2010 increased from 12 billion to 17 billion. If we compare it with 2009, then in this last year before the start of the TS operation, Russian imports amounted to 9 billion dollars. That is an increase of almost 90 percent. (However, it must be said that in 2008, before the crisis, imports from Russia reached 13,5 billion, and then fell to 9 billion just in the 2009 year.) At the same time, exports from Kazakhstan to Russia in 2012 (6,1 billion dollars) practically remained at the level of 2010 (5,7 billion dollars). Moreover, it almost coincided with 2008 (6,2 billion dollars). In short, exports from Kazakhstan to Russia are stable, and the existence of a vehicle in no way affected it. The situation with the export-import balance in the relations of Astana and Minsk is even more indicative. Imports from Belarus from 2010 doubled to 700 million based on 2012, while exports from Kazakhstan to Belarus fell from 100 million to 90 million. According to the results of 10 months 2013, the situation has changed slightly.

Usually, in the expert community of our countries, diplomatically speak of a general increase in commodity turnover during the CU, without indicating the state of the export-import balance. Otherwise, it will be necessary to agree that the liberalization of foreign trade within the framework of the union did not bring concrete results to Astana. At the same time, over the years of the existence of the Customs Union, Kazakhstan has become an increasingly important sales market for the Russian economy. This is evidenced not only by dry figures, but also by quality indicators. For example, 26% of all imports from Russia to Kazakhstan are machinery and equipment. In monetary terms, according to the results of 2012, it is 4,5 billion dollars. At the same time, in the structure of Russian exports, machine-building products according to the results of 2012 amounted to 5%, in monetary terms - 26 billion dollars. A part of this volume is military products. So, the largest export item from Russia in 2012 was aircraft (3,1 billion dollars). These are military fighters. Civil export of engineering products is about half of this volume. It turns out that Kazakhstan provides a market for about a third of all non-military engineering export from Russia, and in this, of course, the vehicle plays an important role.

There is no need to talk about the use of the initial advantages that Astana had before the start of integration. On the contrary, Kazakhstan is becoming an increasingly important sales market for Russia and Belarus. In addition, the Kazakh economy faced a number of other problems. Among them is the low competitiveness of the business compared to the Russian one. Affected by the difference in the nature of the economic policies of the two countries over 15 years. Kazakhstan traditionally has milder business conditions, which was the result of market reforms of the 1990s. Accordingly, there are fewer large companies, but there are more small firms in the services sector, in production and in agriculture. On the one hand, this is an advantage of the country, because the mass of small owners creates a petty-bourgeois environment and does not depend on the state. On the other hand, there is a drawback when you have to compete with large companies from neighboring Russia.

For the latter, the Kazakhstan market is a small share of their activities. The paradox is that there is no point in starting production in Kazakhstan if you can simply send 10% of Russian production to the country. This situation is valid for some international companies that have factories in both Kazakhstan and Russia. For Astana, this means loss of jobs and taxes.
In general, 6 billion from Russia and Belarus, which grew imports from these countries to Kazakhstan over the years of the CU, led to a noticeable reduction in jobs in the Kazakhstan business, as this amount covered just the consumer goods sector.

It should be borne in mind that Russia and Kazakhstan have stable volumes of mutual deliveries of products inherited from the Soviet past. For example, Kazakhstan traditionally sends 20 – 30 million tons of coal from Ekibastuz to Russia. This is almost 15% of all exports to Russia. Iron ore pellets are also supplied from the Sokolovo-Sarbaysky deposit to the Magnitogorsk Metallurgical Plant. Major articles include uranium from Kazatomprom, natural gas from Karachaganak to the Orenburg Gas Processing Plant, and wheat.

And there is not without problems. So, in Russia, in the warehouses of coal companies following the results of 2013, up to 30 million tons of unsold coal remained, and, for example, the governor of the Kemerovo region Aman Tuleyev considers it inappropriate to import Kazakhstani raw materials. In turn, Kazakhstan has repeatedly expressed the intention to process gas on its territory, because supplies to Orenburg go according to internal agreements, and therefore low prices. If suddenly tomorrow coal or gas falls out of Kazakhstan’s exports to Russia, the situation with the export-import balance will simply become indecent.

In addition to low taxes in Kazakhstan, a more liberal administration, the state is present in the economy less than in Russia. This is one of the reasons for the disproportion, the Russian bureaucracy is objectively more efficient than the Kazakh one. In particular, even under the conditions of the CU, she was able to create a whole system of bans on the export of Kazakh products to Russian territory. At the same time, there are no obstacles for the delivery of products from Russia to Kazakhstan.

Another important factor is the significant increase in prices in the consumer market in Kazakhstan after the start of the Customs Union. Certainly, a part of the domestic price increase is connected with the state policy. For example, collateral at the expense of the consumer investment of energy companies. Nevertheless, it was a big surprise. Traditionally, prices in Kazakhstan are lower than in Russia. In addition, Russian imports are often cheaper than Kazakhstan products. The same situation with imports from Belarus. Theoretically, prices should have fallen, it always happens when cheap imports come. But in our case they have grown. This is probably due to the convergence of the economies of Russia and Kazakhstan: prices are reaching for a higher Russian level.

Finally, an important issue is related to the difference in policy between national currencies. In Russia, the level of fluctuations of the ruble is usually very significant. The Russian Central Bank thus reacts to a change in market conditions, and a weak ruble helps to support exporters. In Kazakhstan, the tenge is stable, many say that in fact it is pegged to the US dollar, although the National Bank has always denied it. Within the CU, this situation is extremely unprofitable for Astana, because the weakening of the ruble automatically increases imports from Russia.

It is not surprising that in Kazakhstan, in recent years, local business has been actively opposing the CU, with the exception of those large enterprises that exported coal and gas, as well as exporters interested in transit through Russia. But among the population and especially in the intellectual environment, the mood is completely different.

IDEOLOGICAL WARS

One of the consequences of the work of the TS was the beginning of heated discussions. They almost did not affect the general public - the state policy in the field of information affected, but among intellectuals, controversy took on a rigid character.

Traditionally in Kazakhstan, both the state and the society are focused on maintaining friendly relations with Russia. This is true for the Russian society and state. In our countries, only politicians of a nationalist orientation were critical. The very idea of ​​combining lay on fertile soil. Here and nostalgia of the older generation at the time of the USSR, and the desire to see in the CU some kind of replacement for the still powerful state. Part of the hope of national minorities of Kazakhstan - Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and some others - to return to the old times. And the concept of joint recovery of industrial production, avoiding commodity dependence and much more.

Sincere supporters of integration both in Russia and Kazakhstan have sharply intensified. As a result, a powerful propaganda wave was formed, which covered public opinion.

The problem, however, is that Russian supporters of the restoration of imperial statehood saw in the Customs Union a prototype of a new empire and a way of reviving Russia's former power. Among them can be conditionally identified "Eurasians" and "Imperials". "Eurasians" are traditionally tolerant towards Kazakhstan. They proceed from the common interests and destinies, following the logic of Lev Gumilyov, who highly valued nomads and saw them as a serious source of Eurasian imperial statehood. At the same time, the "Imperials" are rather intolerant with respect to the independence of Kazakhstan. They, voluntarily or not, question its sovereignty. According to their logic, Kazakhstan is an accidental, failed state, and this is his only chance to return to the big Russia.

Such an information wave, pressure from both the “Imperials” and the “Eurasians” provoked a response. The number of opponents of integration with Russia in Kazakhstan has increased dramatically. And not only nationalists, but also quite moderate citizens were among them. The key issue was the question of state sovereignty, to which the Kazakh part of society is very sensitive, especially its intellectual environment. Therefore, when various Russian experts periodically began to question the sovereignty of Kazakhstan and the results of its development, this caused concern.

Contributed to the concerns and the revitalization of the Russian state. During 2012, a number of initiatives were launched aimed at creating supranational structures in the CU. Among them stood out the idea of ​​forming the so-called Eurasian Parliament. It was assumed that the deputies of this body will be elected in accordance with the population, and its decisions will give legitimacy to the decisions of the Eurasian Economic Commission as a kind of common government of the Eurasian Economic Union. However, Kazakhstan would receive only 12% of seats in this parliament. Depending on the authority that the EEC would end up with, the structure began to resemble a federation. Given Russia's absolute dominance in the union, in this case, it would simply be a “expanded and augmented” edition of the Russian Federation.

In addition, Russia offered a single currency. From the experience of lengthy negotiations on this topic with Belarus in the 2000-ies. it is known that Moscow considers: such a currency should have a single issuing center. Consequently, we are talking about the Russian ruble, which will become the currency of the new association.

Kazakhstan took a different position. If you create a new currency, you must follow the path of the European Union and first make something like a unit of account - the ECU, and then work on creating common money such as the euro. But such a currency can not be the ruble. Refusal from tenge would mean for Astana a loss of a part of state sovereignty. It is clear that Russia, for example, will never agree with this.

Over time, the contradictions more and more. Periodically, they come out in the form of open conflicts, in particular around the Baikonur cosmodrome or the Dagestan poacher killed during detention in the Kazakh part of the Caspian Sea. But in Kazakhstan and Russia, systems of a strong vertical of power are similar to each other. As a result, all the contradictions arising were resolved at the level of heads of state. At the end of 2013, at meetings in Yekaterinburg, Minsk and Moscow, most issues were resolved. The parties clearly identified the position. In particular, I would draw attention to the tenth article of the treaty on good-neighborliness and cooperation, signed in Yekaterinburg in the autumn of 2013. The Eurasian integration, the CU and the Common Economic Space are mentioned here, but nothing is said about the Eurasian Economic Union.

To a certain extent, this is a fair decision, since bilateral relations have always been and will be of great importance for Kazakhstan and Russia. In a sense, they are even more important than multilateral integration. Our relations existed before the creation of the Customs Union and will continue, even if the latter suddenly will not.
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    1. jjj
      jjj 28 February 2014 10: 33
      +3
      The Customs Union in its modern form is a prelude. Neither Belarus nor Kazakhstan can, by definition, be equal partners of Russia. But the Customs Union of Russia and China, with other not so powerful states that joined it, would be a very serious institution
      1. Wellych
        Wellych 28 February 2014 10: 41
        +13
        But the Customs Union of Russia and China
        hey dear, everyone in Russia will not be able to work in Gazprom, and 10 hours a day to collect iPhones for 500 bucks in Russia there are no fools. Despite the fact that the social burden on business in Russia is much higher.
      2. siberalt
        siberalt 28 February 2014 11: 05
        +5
        If in the customs union, where Russia has higher economic indicators, Kazakhstan and Belarus are not entirely beneficial, then why do we need such an alliance with more powerful China. We just fall under his economy.
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      4. philip
        philip 28 February 2014 12: 02
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        In my opinion, an alliance with China would be beneficial to Russia both economically and politically. And also in the MILITARY. In the economic, both economies have their strengths and weaknesses, we must assume that there would be a leveling in the strong side. It would be hard to say that it would be military in terms, but I think it would be strong. In the economic, the union of Russia with China and even with the not so strong economies that joined it !!! To this, and slowly goes. It’s a pity that slowly.
      5. Russ69
        Russ69 28 February 2014 12: 08
        +5
        Quote: jjj
        . But the Customs Union of Russia and China

        Without protective duties, China will simply crush our small business with cheapness.
    2. valokordin
      valokordin 28 February 2014 10: 45
      +10
      Quote: T80UM1



      I’ll write my opinion: The society in KZ consumer imports are mainly from the West and China for dollars. Therefore, all ordinary citizens are against the vehicle. Moreover, this is a one-goal game. RF, for example, does not let our products into its market



      Goods, especially food, wonderful vodka, meat, canned goods come to the Saratov region and are in great demand. Consumer goods from China and the West, i.e. the same way. As for the model of Belarus, the economy there is healthy, socially oriented. As for theft, there is much less than in Kazakhstan and Russia. That's where they steal and take bribes. If the ruling elite in Kazakhstan shows a certain alienation from Russia, and this is noticeable in Baikonir, then
      this is regrettable and therefore Russia is forced to build the Svobodny spaceport. I put the author a plus. I have lived on the same land with the Kazakhs for more than a dozen years, I visited them in Kazakhstan more than once, but only under the Soviet regime, and I consider them mine as well as Russians. It is good that the Old Man does not succumb to the corrupting influence of the Russian oligarchs, for this honor and praise are to him.
      1. T80UM1
        T80UM1 28 February 2014 11: 38
        +7
        Do not bring everything to a political plane, the elite is just the TC is profitable (Nazarbayev’s son-in-law was introduced to the board of directors of Gazprom and so on). Our entire elite looks in your mouth, copies reforms and actions. You must carry this elite in your arms. In general, Belarus has chocolate in the chocolate from the CU. It has industry, and we have a raw material economy ... But we don’t have to go to paradise at our expense (ordinary Kazakhstanis). We want to go there too. Tazikov divorced immeasurably, only because of an increase in duties on used cars and so on.
      2. smile
        smile 28 February 2014 15: 06
        +3
        valokordin
        The economy of Belarus without Russian very serious preferences, especially earlier - would give oak. Nothing would save.
        The fact that the Old Man opposes the corrupting influence of our oligarchs is true. The fact is that he supports his corruptive oligarchs, who are also there enough. :))) But in support of his oligarchs, Butsk is not shy. The whole difference is that Butska holds his oligarchs by the throat. And they understand that he should squeeze his fingers .... And that’s it.
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    4. Canep
      Canep 28 February 2014 10: 46
      +10
      Quote: T80UM1
      Therefore, all ordinary citizens against the vehicle

      No need to speak for everyone. At least 80% of the population (including Kazakhs) of Kazakhstan per TS and EAC.
      1. T80UM1
        T80UM1 28 February 2014 11: 33
        +4
        Especially all for the TS after the devaluation (there are no prerequisites for it, except for pegging to the ruble ...), we directly approve of the whole ... From an economic point of view, the TS is beneficial to large exporters of which there are none to all others, including me.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 28 February 2014 19: 51
          +2
          Quote: T80UM1
          Especially all for the TS after the devaluation (there are no prerequisites for it, except for pegging to the ruble ...), we directly approve of the whole ... From an economic point of view, the TS is beneficial to large exporters of which there are none to all others, including me.

          It seems that one box economist correctly explained that tenge devaluation has three reasons: 1) the cessation of quantitative easing in the USA, that is, bucks are printed corny less and the less goods the more expensive 2) this is a disproportion in exchange rates inside the CU the ruble is slowly sagging since the summer and the tenge was kept , now the course is leveled 36.5r-1baks 185t-1baks 1rub -5tenge. 3) they will pay tax deductions from our exporters 20% less since revenue is in dollars and taxes are paid in tenge.
      2. Zymran
        Zymran 28 February 2014 12: 31
        +2
        Quote: Canep
        No need to speak for everyone. At least 80% of the population (including Kazakhs) of Kazakhstan per TS and EAC.


        Bugaga three times. It is more correct to say 80 percent of Russians from Kazakhstan per vehicle.
        1. marshes
          marshes 28 February 2014 12: 39
          +4
          Some Russians in Kazakhstan before the CU had a good business importing cars from abroad, now they somehow survive by trading in auto parts.
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 28 February 2014 20: 05
            +2
            Quote: marshes
            Some Russians in Kazakhstan before the CU had a good business importing cars from abroad, now they somehow survive by trading in auto parts.

            Since the new year, Uzdeu has been banned from importing now in the 9-12 thousand bucks segment only VAZs remain (in our south, Nexia and Matiz are very popular, but the vehicle has ripened here)
            1. marshes
              marshes 28 February 2014 20: 46
              +3
              Quote: Semurg
              Since the new year, Uzdeu has been banned from importing now in the 9-12 thousand bucks segment only VAZs remain (in our south, Nexia and Matiz are very popular, but the vehicle has ripened here)

              Yes, you are in Shymkent because of Nexia, the main OPELwater has become, in the republic. smile
              There is a ZAZ Chance that we collect but because of the events in Ukraine, I don’t even know what the prospects are.
              Give a supported Lexus at the price of a budget car! laughing
              In Kyrgyzstan, cars younger than 2007 are available at "tasty" prices.
              1. Semurg
                Semurg 28 February 2014 20: 54
                +2
                Yes, until 2008 it was also at Happiness laughing and now only the echo remains.
                Quote: marshes
                Quote: [/ quote


                Give a supported Lexus at the price of a budget car! laughing
                In Kyrgyzstan, cars younger than 2007 are available at "tasty" prices.
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      3. Clegg
        Clegg 28 February 2014 13: 34
        +4
        Quote: Canep
        At least 80% of the population (including Kazakhs) of Kazakhstan for TS and EAC.

        Nonsense
        1. SkiF_RnD
          SkiF_RnD 28 February 2014 15: 24
          +3
          Nonsense
          Write right away "Russian bloodsuckers exterminated Kazakhs damned colonialists, figs you and not TS glory to pan-Turkism". Your comments are invariably touching. What are you doing on the Russian, and even patriotic, Internet resource? Isn't it easier not to communicate at all with those you don't like so much? Your opinion certainly does not correlate with the opinion of any majority, in this sense you are unique, so to speak. To understand this, it is enough just to scroll through your comments. Not tired of stupidly inserting your five cents everywhere about the fact that Kazakhs and Russians are not friends?
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 28 February 2014 16: 52
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            Quote: SkiF_RnD
            Didn’t you get tired of stupidly inserting your five cents everywhere that Kazakhs and Russians are not friends?

            No, the State Department pays me for this laughing
            1. SkiF_RnD
              SkiF_RnD 1 March 2014 00: 04
              0
              No, the State Department pays me for this


              That is unlikely. Most likely you are simply pathologically offended by Russia or Russians. This is not something to be seen. This is the essence of your comments when it comes to politics. Everyone has their own opinion, I understand. I do not understand why you are trying to express it on a resource that is obviously unfriendly to such a position. Well, we don’t think that someone oppressed yours there, like English crooks.
    5. Semurg
      Semurg 28 February 2014 19: 34
      +2
      T80UM1. Surely no need to write about national currency - toilet paper. If there is no faith in national currency, keep savings in dollars or euros, or as always advised Marchenko in three baskets. Well, if you want everyday expenses, you don’t want tenge. Of course, a sharp collapse of the tenge is not gut and one of the reasons for this collapse of the vehicle. Ordinary citizens at first were mostly neutral and positive about the TS, after two years, according to my estimates, now about 50 to 50 negatively and positively neutral disappeared.
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  2. Alexandr 2
    Alexandr 2 28 February 2014 10: 23
    +4
    I agree "For Kazakhstan and Russia, bilateral relations have always been and will be of great importance." The creation of the customs union was a great success for the policies of our countries.
  3. rugor
    rugor 28 February 2014 10: 25
    +7
    And what will happen if a change of power occurs in Kazakhstan or Belarus without our control, as in Ukraine, for example, no alliance will help. Today's leaders need to actively prepare their shift, and do it openly without fear of the very fact of the future shift.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 28 February 2014 20: 09
      +3
      Quote: rugor
      And what will happen if a change of power occurs in Kazakhstan or Belarus without our control,.

      Doesn’t it seem to you that you write a little arrogantly that you can control the change of power in neighboring countries. You personally can vote and somehow control the change of power only in your own country.
  4. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 28 February 2014 10: 31
    +10
    The main thing is general inefficiency and non-competitiveness.
    I would not say that about Belarus. Of course, the economy is heavily dependent on our energy resources, but MAZs and tractors are in demand not only in Russia, and are quite competitive and profitable. potash fertilizers are also profitable. Agriculture of Belarus will be better than ours. hi
    1. Luzhichanin
      Luzhichanin 28 February 2014 10: 35
      +6
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      I would not say that about Belarus.
      yes, in general, an article of some kind ... to put it mildly, smacks of a "liberal odor", plus you, minus article
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 28 February 2014 20: 16
        +2
        Quote: Luzhichanin
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        I would not say that about Belarus.
        yes, in general, an article of some kind ... to put it mildly, smacks of a "liberal odor", plus you, minus article

        The competent article is more or less stated competently and reasonably without the tantrums of the nat. and patriotic. This is a look from Kazakhstan on the results of the CU for two years, if you have an alternative, put it up to read. By the way, you set the minus not for the article but for the person who posted the article (this is a reprint from another site), he simply acquainted users from Russia with a look from the Republic of Kazakhstan to the TS. Or didn’t you like that the article doesn’t have any praise for the TS?
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    2. smile
      smile 28 February 2014 15: 16
      0
      Ingvar 72,
      Yes, it's not just about energy. By the way, thanks to preferences in this area (especially large ones earlier), the economy of Belarus existed. The fact is that the sales markets that we have opened allow Belarusian industry and agriculture to exist. Of course, this is beneficial to us. But in the case of the departure of Belarus in free swimming, on a common basis, the collapse of their industry and agriculture would be instantaneous. Lukashenko understands this well. That is precisely why, in spite of all our disputes and quarrels, we still did not get torn up completely. Despite all his public statements in the Belarusian media with an extremely negative assessment of Russia and the statement that Belarus could reorient to Europe. Earlier, I heard his similar statements quite often - as soon as we had another scandal. Now he has ceased to allow such. And this is very good. And it’s good for us and for Belarus.
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      3. Zymran
        Zymran 28 February 2014 16: 07
        +3


        In other words. smile
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  5. Ruff
    Ruff 28 February 2014 10: 37
    +4
    Together we will become stronger!
  6. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 28 February 2014 10: 37
    +6
    Our relationship existed before the creation of the Customs Union and will continue, even if the last one suddenly.

    If Kazakhstan, like Ukraine, in the person of Yanukovich, tries to sit on two or even three chairs, excuse me - "wag", then I very much doubt the "warm" relationship, if ITS - TS will not. And this will mean that the “partners”, with whom Kazakhstan is cooperating more and more closely, did a good job. And these INTELLIGENT problems, for renaming, for replacing the Cyrillic alphabet with the Latin alphabet, etc., etc., allegedly for the benefit of Kazakhstan, FEET GROWS FROM US and BRITAIN.
    1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      Refugee from Kazakhstan 28 February 2014 11: 30
      +9
      While Zhirik and Limonov are receiving support in the Russian Federation, "putting all your eggs in one basket is dangerous."
      1. avt
        avt 28 February 2014 13: 23
        +1
        Quote: RK refugee
        While in the Russian Federation receive support Zhirik and Limonov

        Do not touch Zhirik, this is our Zhirik, he amuses us, it’s boring without him, get your own Kazakh.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 28 February 2014 20: 24
          +2
          Quote: avt
          Quote: RK refugee
          While in the Russian Federation receive support Zhirik and Limonov

          Do not touch Zhirik, this is our Zhirik, he amuses us, it’s boring without him, get your own Kazakh.

          All the same, Zhirik is the leader of the parliamentary party (and recently the deputy chairman of the State Duma), that is, the spokesman for the views of his voters and you should not take his statements into account. A clown is a lemons (we also have similar ones) Zhirik is no longer a joke.
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  7. Wellych
    Wellych 28 February 2014 10: 42
    0
    And not everything is measured by money. Her loot of course you need, no one argues ...
  8. saag
    saag 28 February 2014 10: 49
    -4
    Quote: ia-ai00
    . And these CONFIDENTIAL problems, by renaming, by replacing Cyrillic with Latin

    Old, they already want to rename the country :-)
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 28 February 2014 11: 20
      -1
      So I, first of all - about renaming the state. Streets of the city and streets, massively, were renamed twenty years ago. A NEW WAVE of renaming, including the state, is now approaching. But in addition to the moral aspect, it will also require enormous expenses again, of course, people will again pay for this + (i.e. MINUS) all documents will have to be changed.
    2. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      Refugee from Kazakhstan 28 February 2014 11: 35
      +3
      The dog barks the caravan is coming!
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 28 February 2014 12: 21
        +1
        Caravanman, PAY expenses ...
        1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
          Refugee from Kazakhstan 28 February 2014 12: 57
          +1
          Further, it’s important: only honestly, who is the caravan for you, and who is the dog?
          1. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 28 February 2014 13: 06
            +1
            You have to ask this, your "message" ...
  9. Aldo
    Aldo 28 February 2014 10: 49
    +9
    It is difficult for Russia to talk on equal terms with other states of the post-Soviet space. But without this, any association has no real prospects.
    1. Alibekulu
      1 March 2014 09: 43
      +1
      Quote: Aldo
      It is difficult for Russia to speak on equal terms with other states of the post-Soviet space.
      There is such a topic. And not only in Russia, as a state-state, but also ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation. Here on the topwar it is clearly visible.
      But, I think the leadership of the Republic of Kazakhstan initially went to the TS, on conditions that were not very favorable for itself, so that later, gradually equalize the conditions.
      As an example of an interview with the sleigh rider Albert Demchenko, silver medalist at OI-2014, where he said that at the start he is always inferior to his main rivals. But then, in the course of driving on the track, he wins back the lost, and even comes forward.
      So Ak Orda, in the future, will take its toll. hi
      The article itself, it seems to me, is a signal to the Russian expert community, which advises the Kremlin, on what problems K has questions for the CU. Accordingly, both Astana and Moscow will agree.
      PS wink interesting, but I thought that all Russian users of "VO" on "1st Ukrainian" .. soldier
  10. valokordin
    valokordin 28 February 2014 10: 55
    +3
    Quote: ia-ai00
    If Kazakhstan, like Ukraine, in the person of Yanukovich, tries to sit on two or even three chairs, excuse me - "wiggle", then I very much doubt the "warm" relationship, if ITS - TS will not. And this will mean that the “partners”, with whom Kazakhstan is cooperating more and more closely, did a good job. And these INTELLIGENT problems, for renaming, for replacing the Cyrillic alphabet with the Latin alphabet, etc., etc., allegedly for the good of Kazakhstan, LEGS GROW FROM THE USA and BRITAIN


    Quite rightly, Russia is like a pivot on which to rely, for some reason they consider the United States and Small Britain to be a pillar, hence the Latin and attempts to alienate. It's like a family, tired, I want to change partners, get new feelings. But if this does not end with a divorce, then it returns to normal, and a divorce always ends with heavy memories of how it was good before, but a return to the past is not always possible because of past grievances
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 28 February 2014 20: 45
      +3
      Quote: valokordin
      Quote: ia-ai00
      If Kazakhstan, like Ukraine, in the person of Yanukovich, tries to sit on two or even three chairs, excuse me - "wiggle", then I very much doubt the "warm" relationship, if ITS - TS will not. And this will mean that the “partners”, with whom Kazakhstan is cooperating more and more closely, did a good job. And these INTELLIGENT problems, for renaming, for replacing the Cyrillic alphabet with the Latin alphabet, etc., etc., allegedly for the good of Kazakhstan, LEGS GROW FROM THE USA and BRITAIN


      Quite rightly, Russia is like a pivot on which to rely, for some reason they consider the United States and Small Britain to be a pillar, hence the Latin and attempts to alienate. It's like a family, tired, I want to change partners, get new feelings. But if this does not end with a divorce, then it returns to normal, and a divorce always ends with heavy memories of how it was good before, but a return to the past is not always possible because of past grievances

      Again twenty-five, well, what difference does it make to you in what letters will you write a language that you don’t know. Only from the fact that you live nearby you need to indicate what letters to write to me in your own language? I still understand somewhere that she is indignant about this, she will not be able to read and understand the word written in Latin letters, because she understands the Kazakh words written only in Cyrillic laughing . The TS must prove its necessity throughout the life of the NAS if the next president does not have to do something about it, because he will not have the authority that the NAS has.
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  11. Refugee from Kazakhstan
    Refugee from Kazakhstan 28 February 2014 10: 57
    +5
    Article plus, finally announced something similar to the truth about the vehicle! At the moment, ordinary Kazakhstanis are paying for this venture out of pocket, importing small and medium businesses into Russia is also not a plus, since the bureaucratic machine is skillful, the most favorable conditions are created for Russian imports in Kazakhstan, but ours is not! Only Kazakhstani importers of raw materials are in positive territory from the CU, i.e. the position of the raw materials appendage in our economic space is again stimulated. Soon the dollar will roll over 200 and the poor will become even more rich and the rich will be richer, and against the background of the statements of Zhirik and Limonov, Kazakhstan will have to leave the TS! When the then head of the Nat. Bank of the Republic of Kazakhstan Grigory Marchenko warned that this alliance with Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan would be more profitable, so the formed oil and gas triumvirate would be more useful for the Republic of Kazakhstan. Apparently I persuaded the GDP and NAS was seduced, but in vain! Wait and see.
    1. ovgorskiy
      ovgorskiy 28 February 2014 11: 36
      -1
      I would like to provide excerpts from the Kazakh forum, just for reflection:

      Answered by Visitor (Jan 13, 2012 16:18)

      The ethnic composition of the population of Kazakhstan in the period after 1991 has changed dramatically. The policy of ousting non-Kazakhs has yielded obvious statistical results! The Russian-speaking population, which constituted the overwhelming majority, up to 70% of the total number of residents (now 23,8%), basically left for Russia! Accordingly, the Germans to Germany, etc. The departure of Russian speakers continues and even intensifies at the present time! This is primarily due to the consistent policy of ousting the Russian language and culture, forming from Russia the image of the historical enemy of the Kazakhs! And, in fact, the formation of a mono-national state. At the same time, Kazakhs from Mongolia and China are imported to Kazakhstan, adapting with difficulty in a new environment for them, the result of these processes were clashes between "indigenous" and "non-indigenous" Kazakhs. It should be added that the massive departure of the Russian-speaking population also contributes to the growth of religious extremism, which has already manifested itself in a number of terrorist acts in the west of Kazakhstan. There is also an exacerbation of inter-clan contradictions within the Kazakh zhuzes, which has always been mitigated by the prevalence of Europeans in Kazakhstan before!

      Answered by Visitor (Jan 24, 2012 04:38)
      You are lying, you are carrying this land, our ancestors Kazakhs lived and lived, we live in our own country, and we ourselves know what to do! Europeans, you are 70 years old, our glorious land did not give a shit! Now it’s time for you to leave Kazakhstan no longer living for you! And not the native Kazakhs, our relatives! And they are much closer to the native Kazakhs! And you alien luchs return to their Europe before it is too late!

      In Kazakhstan, only one nation lives is the Kazakhs and the rest of the diasporas! At the UN there is a document that is written if the indigenous people in the state reach 67%, then this is considered to be the national republics! Unas almost 67% of Kazakhs! And 63% is censorship that the Russian and external internal intelligence agents were not afraid of!

      PS. Are the words of the last member of the forum much different from the words of Western Bendera ??? At one time we also thought that this was the case in Ukraine, a few frostbitten fascists. In fact, it turned out quite differently. The likelihood of a repetition of the Ukrainian scenario in Kazakhstan is very high, while Nazarbayev's "authority" is holding back.
      1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        Refugee from Kazakhstan 28 February 2014 12: 12
        +3
        In the garden of elderberry and in Kiev uncle! This has nothing to do with my opinion and the article! Do you want to arrange srach on a branch - easy! But I think it is not appropriate.
        1. ovgorskiy
          ovgorskiy 28 February 2014 13: 26
          +1
          It’s like I’m not blaming or refuting you. I just brought a characteristic mood in the Kazakh forums, and also expressed my concern about the danger of a repeat of the Kazakh Maidan. If you think that my fears are in vain, refute this, I will only be glad that I was afraid in vain.
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 28 February 2014 20: 51
            +2
            Quote: ovgorskiy
            It’s like I’m not blaming or refuting you. I just brought a characteristic mood in the Kazakh forums, and also expressed my concern about the danger of a repeat of the Kazakh Maidan. If you think that my fears are in vain, refute this, I will only be glad that I was afraid in vain.

            While the NAS is in power, do not worry Maidan (by the way, this word in the Kazakh language means battle-war) will not be.
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      2. Bekzat
        Bekzat 28 February 2014 21: 33
        +3
        Your words hurt me, do you think I from the Horde should hate Russians as occupiers? It infuriates me!!! I gave my daughter to school in the first grade in the Russian class, I will give up the teenager too, I don’t like when such articles are published, recently I wrote to a goat (Kazakh) on Facebook that he and his ideas are feces. I'll have to get up with weapons !!!
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 28 February 2014 21: 48
          0
          Quote: Bekzat
          Your words hurt me, do you think I from the Horde should hate Russians as occupiers? It infuriates me!!! I gave my daughter to school in the first grade in the Russian class, I will give up the teenager too, I don’t like when such articles are published, recently I wrote to a goat (Kazakh) on Facebook that he and his ideas are feces. I'll have to get up with weapons !!!

          Is it written to me?
          1. Bekzat
            Bekzat 28 February 2014 21: 50
            +1
            No, Oleg- ovgorskiy
        2. ovgorskiy
          ovgorskiy 2 March 2014 12: 39
          0
          Bekzat, what words are you talking about? I gave excerpts from Kazakh forums, I did not come up with anything, and wrote about it. I’m just very worried about the rise of nationalism in Kazakhstan, and if this is not so, write it.
  12. avt
    avt 28 February 2014 11: 05
    0
    Quote: Aldo
    It is difficult for Russia to speak on equal terms with other states of the post-Soviet space.

    They talk as equals with equals. If Kazakhstan is independent - let it become equal or forget about the demands of some kind of "equality" - stretch your legs on the clothes, they do not beg for equality, it is created and the partner should really see it. So everywhere, do not believe - look who and how rules in ,, equal "ES. And the verbiage about" equality "has already eaten in the" union state "with Father.
    Quote: Aldo
    But without this, any association has no real prospects.

    Quite the opposite, and the former Soviet Union countries have had this feeling for three decades already - the CIS is called it. All are completely equal - they wrote a bunch of papers and as a result, no one does anything and only demands from Russia “equality.” As a result, having eaten enough, I decided to propose a new structure - a TS built by cartel agreement, equalize the legislation and everyone tries not very much from the signed Agreements deviate. Notice - TS is not a union, this is EVRAZES, there seems to be a kind of synticat, but Kazakhstan and Belarus are not very willing to go for it, there specifically supranational bodies need to be created and a single currency introduced, and this is Father and I in the "union state" we have passed - no one will give up their emission center, and without it the common currency is a bluff. So for now, bilateral relations are within the framework of the agreements signed in the CU with their obligatory implementation by ALL the signatories, but we’ll wait and see who is ready to go and to what degree of integration.
    1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      Refugee from Kazakhstan 28 February 2014 11: 26
      +2
      "They talk on equal terms with equals. If Kazakhstan is independent - let it become equal or forget about the demands of some kind of" equality "- stretch your legs on clothes, they do not beg for equality, they create it and the partner should really see it. So everywhere, do not believe - look who and how rules in the "equal" EU. And the verbiage about "equality" has already eaten in the "union state" with Father. " But does the RK ask for something or does the RF owe something? Don't wishful thinking. As for "wait and see", ordinary Kazakhstanis are already seeing the benefits of this integration! What is not beneficial to the people should not be beneficial to the state, so the vehicle is NOT BENEFICIAL FOR US. AND ONCE AGAIN I REPEAT FOR AMATEURS TO LET THE DESU: KAZAKHSTAN DOESN'T DO ANYTHING AND DOES NOT ASK FOR ANYONE!
      1. avt
        avt 28 February 2014 11: 38
        +2
        Quote: RK refugee
        But does the RK ask for something or does the RF owe something?

        Does Russia make any demands on Kazakhstan? Do citizens of Russia demand “equal” attitude from Kazakhstanis?
        Quote: RK refugee
        No need to wishful thinking.

        Now, if you sit and think - who gives the wishful thinking?
        Quote: RK refugee
        As for "wait and see", ordinary Kazakhstanis are already seeing the benefits of this integration!

        This is not amiable to us - it would be an honor if you didn’t want a vehicle - it’s your business, independent - decide for yourself, and all claims to YOUR leadership, here you’ll throw the horse-drawn bushes.
        Quote: RK refugee
        KAZAKHSTAN NEEDS ANYTHING AND DOES NOT ASK!

        laughing You are shouting this to the Chinese creditors, not to us, and to all those of your fellow citizens who demand "equality" from Russia.
        1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
          Refugee from Kazakhstan 28 February 2014 12: 47
          +4
          1.TS is a union of three emperors, for ordinary citizens it’s not for any good, moreover, I tell you as living in the Republic of Kazakhstan that the TS is another burden on our wallet.
          2.In 2016 presidential elections and a dollar for 200 are serious, therefore, the participation of the Republic of Kazakhstan in the CU is unlikely (people don’t eat because of the CU anyway, here Zhirik and Limonov climb).
          This opinion is mine and many Kazakhstanis who felt the burden of the vehicle on their pocket!
          1. avt
            avt 28 February 2014 13: 02
            0
            Quote: RK refugee
            Moreover, I tell you as a person living in the Republic of Kazakhstan that the TS is another burden on our wallet.

            And my friend your wallet on a drum, still not enough, in addition to "infringement of national dignity", the lack of some kind of "equality", to hear here cries about the fact that I climb into someone else's pocket to count pennies.
            Quote: RK refugee
            2.In 2016 presidential elections and a dollar for 200 are serious, therefore, the participation of the Republic of Kazakhstan in the CU is unlikely (people don’t eat because of the CU anyway, here Zhirik and Limonov climb).
            Once again, participation or non-participation in the TS is the business of Kazakhstan, as well as the ability to use TS tools. Just remember that eggs always interfere with a good dancer.
            laughing I was especially amused about Limonov, who, for a minute, was sentenced in Russia in Russia for chatting and posturing about Kazakhstan, this is when he tried to portray himself as "defenders of Russians" - in Che Guevara he played with a machine gun in a barrel, so again by cash registers, well, don't touch Zhirik! Without him, there's nothing to watch on TV - no one will amuse you so much,
            Quote: RK refugee
            This opinion is mine and many Kazakhstanis who felt the burden of the vehicle on their pocket!

            Again - be affectionate, all this to elbasy, now right now from the computer and to his residence, walk.
          2. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 28 February 2014 13: 35
            +2
            Refugee from Kazakhstan KZ In 2016 the presidential election and a dollar for 200 is serious, therefore, the participation of the Republic of Kazakhstan in the CU is unlikely (people do not fatten because of the CU,

            What does the vehicle have to do with it?
            On your pocket, you felt "minus 20%" from HIS DEAR NATS BANK and GOVERNMENT, which "softly lay down, but hard to sleep", lie to the people at every step, and do not blush. They swindle - and in "friendly" Britannia, you don't know the names of YOUR "HEROES" ???
  13. Bakht
    Bakht 28 February 2014 11: 06
    +1
    Article minus. The reason is simple and banal. The author does not quite understand the main goal of the economy. The corner question from which to dance is - what is the Customs Union for? To increase profits, profitability, or for something else? European products are very high quality and competitive. China produces cheap products. It’s also very competitive. But in China over the past year, there have been dozens of provincial riots. In Europe, rallies and demonstrations are taking place. Unemployment goes off scale (especially in southern Europe).

    The root of the problem is unemployment. We all wonder why Westerners went to Maidan in Ukraine and people of the East did not go to rallies? The reason is simple. In the East, people worked. The stability of the state (any. Including Russian) depends on the level of unemployment.

    At one time, the CIS was created. This was a clear mistake of Russia. Why harness completely different countries with a different mentality, different levels of the economy into one wagon? Same thing now. The way out of this situation may be deliberate isolation. Closing borders, minimizing ties with the West and China. Only the most necessary imports. And emphasis on own resources. Let them be few, but we need genuine economic independence.

    Russia, by definition, will not be able to create competitive production. But this is not necessary. We need our own production, based on our own resources. In which its population will be involved. I am for the authorship. And to drag politics here means to ruin the country. The working population will add stability to the country.

    And all integration plans are sideways. This is all secondary. Do not forget the story. At one time, after the Crimean War, Russia, according to Gorchakov’s definition, began to focus. And then Europe itself crawled to its doorstep.

    The topic is big. But in general, I repeat, the article is minus.
    1. Horst78
      Horst78 28 February 2014 11: 21
      +4
      Quote: Bakht
      Russia, by definition, will not be able to create competitive production.

      Why would such a conclusion?
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 28 February 2014 23: 03
        0
        There are many reasons. I’ll name at least a couple of the main ones. Climate. Each meter of production space must be heated. The most fuel-efficient industries are located in India and Southeast Asia. He opened the window and was already warm.

        The second reason is distance. Each ton of cargo must be transported for hundreds of kilometers. Compare with European distances. True, raw materials are also transported to Europe. And even a lot. But mostly by sea. And this is already much cheaper than railroad.

        Those interested can refer to Parshev's books, Why Russia Is Not America.
  14. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 28 February 2014 11: 20
    0
    Ah, the whole problem of "integration associations" in the space of the former USSR, in particular the Customs Union, is that "in essence" it is "a sacred union of three emperors ... oh, forgive the presidents." As soon as one or another of them leaves by natural or other reasons, things can fall apart. That is the crux of the problem.
  15. internatio
    internatio 28 February 2014 11: 24
    0
    With Ukraine, there was much to be done: with joint capital (Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, China) just buy everything. Especially industry and agriculture. Having invested - restore or modernize. The main thing is the creation of jobs and the integration of the economy at the "plant-customer" level. The basis would have been created. But the political realities would have changed from this. It's almost late. With Ukraine.
  16. Platov
    Platov 28 February 2014 11: 58
    -5
    All the Russians left, except for the janitors and laundresses, cut down the branch on which they sat, and now crocodile tears were pouring. The train left only the red light in the distance looms on the last carriage. In Russia, we don’t need anyone with a semi-literate humanities student who speaks of a mixture of Kazakh and English. It is better to deal in pure Kazakh. English, which has 28 letters and twice as many sounds, only dominates the world by force of arms. The US will weaken, will become the second Latin language. You do not have much choice, either Chinese or Russian, and try to live peacefully as neighbors, make friends at home.
    1. SkiF_RnD
      SkiF_RnD 28 February 2014 15: 34
      -4
      Three Kazakhs are sitting offended by Russia, and they hang the cons. So we, lapotnikov, and it is necessary! laughing This is a terrible revenge (I don’t know why) laughing
    2. Semurg
      Semurg 28 February 2014 21: 07
      +2
      Quote: PLATOV
      All the Russians left, except for the janitors and laundresses, cut down the branch on which they sat, and now crocodile tears were pouring.

      But after all, you seemed to kick somewhere around 2-3 million Russians living in the Republic of Kazakhstan, calling them losers (laundresses-janitors). Here, by the way, the sapper and Eeyore unsubscribed, they both live in Kazakhstan and do not work as janitors. True, I am not familiar with them in real life, but by their posts they are not housekeepers.
      1. SkiF_RnD
        SkiF_RnD 1 March 2014 00: 06
        0
        Your Kazakhs are kicking them more often, for that matter. Judging by the speeches of the local patrons, these 2-3 million Russians are not losers, but fascist killers. And so yes, put us cons further, it's almost like a medal on the chest laughing
  17. Stinger
    Stinger 28 February 2014 12: 06
    +1
    If Russia has a steady economic growth, then the attractiveness of the customs union will increase, and if we stagnate, the problems will increase. And in integration, both economic and political goals are important. Just as they are at the forefront in the EU. And the chatter about values ​​inaccessible to our understanding is a smokescreen. Not because of gay rights, they are trying.
  18. smersh70
    smersh70 28 February 2014 12: 14
    +4
    In short, the vehicle was covered, Putin’s favorite toy .. Without Ukraine, the vehicle is so-so, just a club winked
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 28 February 2014 21: 11
      0
      Quote: smersh70
      In short, the vehicle was covered, Putin’s favorite toy .. Without Ukraine, the vehicle is so-so, just a club winked

      Not the patient is more likely alive than dead. At least for now, GDP and NAS are at the helm of their states.
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  19. marshes
    marshes 28 February 2014 12: 33
    +5
    Good article.
    I can refer myself to the "petty-bourgeoisie".
    Kazakhstan has traditionally milder conditions for doing business, which was the result of market reforms of the 1990s. Accordingly, there are fewer large companies, but there are more small firms in the services sector, both in production and in agriculture. On the one hand, this is an advantage of the country, because the mass of small owners creates a petty-bourgeois environment and does not depend on the state. On the other hand, there is a drawback when you have to compete with large companies from neighboring Russia.

    I liked this, it’s better than 10 thousand enterprises where 100 people work than 100 enterprises where 10000 work. smile
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 28 February 2014 21: 17
      +1
      [quote = swamps] Good article.
      I can refer myself to the "petty-bourgeoisie". [Quote]
      Explain the swamps to me, but to me, where should I rank myself as a private bomb? laughing probably to the microbourgeoisie laughing or the nanobourgeoisie - which everyone knows about, but no one has seen wink
      1. marshes
        marshes 28 February 2014 21: 58
        +1
        Quote: Semurg
        Explain the swamps to me, but to me, where should I rank myself as a private bomb? probably to the microbourgeoisie or nanobourgeoisie - which everyone knows about, but no one has seen

        If you buy a bus, though it’s not possible right now, then you can be considered a petty bourgeoisie. smile
        And as before in the "fat" years, you will lease a dozen 40 ton trucks from China, you will hire drivers for construction sites, in a couple of years you will beat off the money and you will earn another two or three years and throw off your car, for scrap metal or whatever comes out.
        But you can buy a "reliable" and "expensive" truck and "pray" smile so twenty years on it. smile and then exhibit at the museum.
        With buses the same garbage ...
        In short, before there were more maneuvers for "creativity". And now the desire to score for everything but the family needs to be fed.
  20. avt
    avt 28 February 2014 12: 41
    +2
    laughing
    Quote: smersh70
    .Without Ukraine, TS-so-so, just a club

    Read less at Brzezinski’s night. Yes, and frankly not write about the TS, about the Empire. So it will be more honest. Or ochkuem ???
    Quote: smersh70
    TS-so-so, just a club

    What? Someone in his right mind and firm memory said that this is something else? This is really a club for economic interests, the same as the CIS, but only its members decided to abide by the club rules and organized a cartel conspiracy - they equalized national legislation, which was never done in the CIS, and everyone, on the basis of signed documents, monitors his interest. no one anywhere promised that one member of the club would organize some preferences for another under the shouts of "equality" - everyone should defend himself in his own interests according to the rules of the club.
    Quote: smersh70
    TS, Putin's favorite toy

    Yah !? Or maybe all the same Nazarbayev, supported by Putin? It was he with the Eurasian idea that rushed even in the hunchbacked days when the GDP worked in the St. Petersburg City Hall.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 28 February 2014 12: 58
      +3
      Quote: avt
      Read less on Brzezinski’s night

      And I would advise you to read it)) Foolish, as he is here, could not destroy the empire called the USSR)))
      Quote: avt
      Yes, and frankly not write about the TS, about the Empire. So it will be more honest

      I agree)) Putin, as a Soviet man and as a patriot, wants to create everything under his own sake with a different sauce, or rather recreate something like the USSR. But time is running out, the double standards practiced in the world, including Russia, do not allow him to do this. He tries, there are no words, but it does not work out. For now.
      Quote: avt
      maybe all the same Nazarbayev, supported by Putin? This is it with the idea of ​​Eurasian

      If you look at the essence, this is the same difference as Lenin’s project on the USSR and Stalin’s project on the USSR (I hope they took place at the university or at the school, the theme is the history of the CPSU)
  21. avt
    avt 28 February 2014 13: 30
    0
    Quote: smersh70
    Putin, as a Soviet man and as a patriot, wants with all his might to create something else, more precisely, to recreate something like the USSR under a different sauce.

    What Putin wants, only Putin knows. One can only guess, but certainly not the USSR 2. There is really a hint in the documentary "Death of the Empire, the Byzantine lesson" of the abbot of the Sretensky monastery in Moscow, spiteful critics call him Bishop Lubyansky, just now in the arena the exhibition was dedicated to the Romanovs, and the choir of his monastery sang a hymn at the opening of the Olympics.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 28 February 2014 13: 52
      +1
      Quote: avt
      and the choir of his monastery at the opening of the Olympics sang a hymn.

      well, if they sang there, then it’s as if by bishop of Lubyansky fellow
      Quote: avt
      One can only guess, but certainly not the USSR 2

      wants, wants))) that's Saakashvili’s about it))) (now they’ll go minus smile )
      This victory has historical significance not only for Ukraine, but also for the region, for Georgia. I think that what happened was the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the collapse of the Soviet mentality, ”Saakashvili said on Georgian television. According to him, the Ukrainian revolution ruined several opinions, first of all,“ the myth of Russia's omnipotence collapsed. ” As for the situation in Crimea, according to the politician, the main problem there is the presence of a Russian military base and a Russian military contingent.
      “Therefore, these questions are there, and now the Russians are trying to create exactly the same scenario as they once turned in Tskhinvali and Abkhazia. We took Adjara and Javakheti from Russia before our noses. Both there and there were Russian bases. If it were not for the rose revolution and our reforms, today Russia would also declare Adjara independent, and Javakhetia would be separately allocated, ”Saakashvili said.
      “In the West, there was also a part of people who accused Georgia of war, but now they are convinced that Georgia had nothing to do with it. In 2008, I said that first this will happen in Georgia, and the next will be Ukraine. Then it was believed that I was an alarmist. This happened in Georgia, and is now happening in Ukraine. In the West, even all those who were skeptical towards us and said that crazy Saakashvili was to blame for something are now apologizing, ”the ex-president said, Georgia Online reports.
      “For Georgia, all this has historical significance. This struggle is not only Ukrainians, but also ours. If the Ukrainians are turned their neck, Georgia will have no future at all, ”said Saakashvili.
      1. avt
        avt 28 February 2014 14: 23
        +2
        Quote: smersh70
        According to him, the Ukrainian revolution has ruined several opinions, first of all, “the myth of Russia's omnipotence has collapsed”.

        laughing Looks like the first tie chewed and he went out - he still wants. That's really a hop-haired rabbit. Strongly, especially after 08.08.08. And Russia has not yet taken on Ukraine, even as the Americans, so tell Comrade Saha .... Oh, to what person is a quote from Gogol - "Tell the bishop from me and from all the Cossacks," Koshevoy said, "so that he is not afraid of anything. These are the Cossacks who are still lighting and lighting their pipes. "True, as the experience of the Russian army's maneuvers before the last Olympics in Beijing has shown, he will not believe, and now he believes that it was then in virtual reality, and not in reality.
        Quote: smersh70
        In 2008, I said that first this will happen in Georgia, and the next will be Ukraine. Then it was believed that I was an alarmist. This happened in Georgia, and is now happening in Ukraine. In the West, even all those who were skeptical towards us and said that crazy Saakashvili was to blame for something, now apologize, ”the ex-president said.

        laughing good Well, when was it different ???? Themselves, the great, ancient, independent "nah ... twirl, but of course the imperial Russia is to blame, when in the corners all will be divorced.
      2. avt
        avt 28 February 2014 15: 50
        +1
        Quote: smersh70
        well, if they sang there, then it’s as if by bishop of Lubyansky

        By the way, I forgot to say, Sretensky monastery is just on the Lubyanka. Up along it from the center. bully
  22. groin
    groin 28 February 2014 13: 33
    +7
    You read the comments and think that they are written at least by the deputy foreign ministers or the economy, or even advisers to the presidents (regarding statements on behalf of the whole people), and not ordinary citizens of their countries (hard workers).
    I’ll tell you how I see the TS using specific examples. We have a milk processing plant. Its products are in great demand (naturally due to good quality) in the domestic market. Not so long ago, a friend from Novosibirsk came and said that this product was being snapped up in Russia. We have no competition (with the Chinese) for KAMAZ and MAZ trucks. The fuss is mostly Chinese, its light industry is almost at zero, and why. Note I haven’t said anything about the price. Thought: We are each unique and self-sufficient in our own way, politicians bred and bleed us, for the sake of hucksters, and we can always agree on prices if we have goods (raw materials) and that we would need the TS correctly and honestly.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 28 February 2014 13: 49
      +3
      Quote: groin
      at least deputy ministers of foreign affairs or economics, or even advisers to the presidents (regarding statements on behalf of the whole people), and not ordinary citizens of their countries (hard workers).

      You have a very bad opinion about us laughing there are those who will give odds to all these deputy ministers and ministers wink
      1. groin
        groin 28 February 2014 14: 58
        +5
        No, I’m not a bad opinion, and I rather agree on the odds, but to express my opinion for the opinion of the people is at least presumptuous, and you must have authority. You yourself can see what nonsense on behalf of the people in Ukraine they carry. And with respect.
  23. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 28 February 2014 14: 01
    0
    Interview with a member of the right sector
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StDa4dScTxk
  24. Vita_vko
    Vita_vko 28 February 2014 14: 17
    +6
    The author is certainly +. This is probably one of the few analytical articles that at least somehow cover the real problems of the TS. It remains to hope that such objective analytical work will be for the CSTO.
    But in principle, I disagree about the reasons for the decline in Kazakhstani imports and the growth in exports from Russia and Belarus. The competition that small and medium-sized businesses allegedly cannot withstand with powerful Russian and Belarusian companies has nothing to do with it. What kind of competition can there be between the service sector (90% of small and medium-sized businesses) and real industrial production? These are, in principle, different sectors of the economy. The lack of real production is the main reason. Go to any Kazakhstani industrial store and you will not see more than one product where it would be written "Made in Kazakhstan". The reason is that in Kazakhstan, back in Soviet times, the industry was poorly developed, which fell into the decline of the 90s, because was almost all focused on the Soviet defense industry. The real sector of the economy was agriculture, which at all times was subsidized, since alumina, salt marshes, a sharply continental climate with an annual temperature drop of 80 degrees C, of ​​course, will never compete with the black earth and mild climate of Belarus, Stavropol and the European part of Russia. Moreover, before the creation of the CU, Russia, in order to gain access to Kazakhstan's energy, nuclear and processing industries, invested large sums of money in these enterprises and created joint ventures. With the creation of the TS, this need disappeared. Capital outflow is evident.
    Of course, it’s good when politicians strive for integration. Alone in the field is not a warrior, especially when there are sharks of world business around. But the time has come when the leading economists of the CU countries should get together and, in addition to general rules, develop a set of measures that take into account the specific economic conditions of each state. The benefit of statistics and experience of the vehicle is enough. We can say that this was an experimental or experimental period of functioning of the economic relations of the CU states. It's time to draw conclusions and make adjustments.
    1. avt
      avt 28 February 2014 14: 47
      +2
      Quote: Vita_vko
      Alone in the field is not a warrior, especially when there are sharks of world business around. But the time has come when the leading economists of the CU countries should get together and, in addition to the general rules, develop a set of measures that take into account the specific economic conditions of each state. The benefit of statistics and experience of the vehicle is enough. We can say that this was an experimental or experimental period of functioning of the economic relations of the CU states. It's time to draw conclusions and make adjustments.
      Well, there is no material for a dispute, of course, it is necessary to make adjustments based on the results of the “debriefing.” It is quite a working situation, it is natural that according to the results it is necessary to make certain agreed adjustments, both in the documents of the Customs Union and, on their basis, in national legislation, then there is a cartel agreement, taking into account both joint activities and the influence of external factors.
    2. marshes
      marshes 28 February 2014 14: 50
      +2
      Quote: Vita_vko
      . It's time to draw conclusions and make adjustments.

      Finish small and medium-sized businesses in favor of large companies, and there, another part of the population will leave for their historic homeland more often, they will go to the Mosque and grow beards.
    3. Semurg
      Semurg 28 February 2014 21: 36
      +1
      Quote: Vita_vko
      The author is certainly +. The reason is that in Kazakhstan back in the Soviet era, industry was poorly developed, which fell into the decline of the 90s, as almost all was focused on the Soviet defense industry.

      I agree with the author. The author wrote that a third of non-military engineering products goes to the Republic of Kazakhstan, if these products are of good price-quality ratio, then this is gut. And if, thanks to high customs duties, access to the RK market is simply closed to competitors from outside for the sake of Russian goods, this is not gut (a private example has now been banned from importing Nexia to please vases, let alone used cars, and there are many such examples.)
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  25. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 28 February 2014 14: 23
    +2
    "The customs union with China and other adherents" is not profitable for Russia at this stage, the Russian economy cannot escape from the grip of stagnation, in China science-intensive technologies are on the rise, in such an alliance we will immediately become a raw materials appendage. The TS should be developed primarily in the post-Soviet a space where our goods are competitive, this will give impetus to the development of technologies, an increase in employment, the emergence of economic prospects - only then can we consider the expansion of the CU in the south and east. I repeat now for the world economy, with the exception of industries associated with the defense industry - just a supplier of raw materials (including hydrocarbons)
  26. Alekst
    Alekst 28 February 2014 18: 07
    +1
    Yes, everything is fine with the TS, about the devaluation, so this is the third tenge devaluation in my memory, two of them occurred when Kazakhstan was not a member of the TS, about import-export, so Kazakhstan does not produce anything industrial, at least in large quantities on export.
    In the geopolitical sense, Kazakhstan and Russia, probably, in my opinion, will stay somewhere nearby, neither NATO nor China will be any helpers to us, rather predators, all the more so I do not want to see a certain caliphate here and others like them.
    As for nationalism, it is rather, in most cases, everyday nationalism, which is inherent in all peoples, both in Kazakhstan and in Russia, and by the way, not only Kazakhs, but also Russians, of those who I know, reacted poorly to Zhirinovsky’s words.
    1. marshes
      marshes 28 February 2014 18: 42
      +2
      [quote = Alekst], so this is the third devaluation of the tenge in my memory, two of them occurred when Kazakhstan was not a member of the Customs Union, about import-export, so Kazakhstan does not produce anything industrial, at least in large quantities for export. [ / quote]
      Do you remember how Kazakhstan emerged after the first crisis ... [quote] [/ quote]
      As part of the import substitution program in 2000,
      Kazakhstan signed agreements and protocols of intent for $ 177 million. About
      This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Energy and Mineral
      RK resources. In fact, products worth $ 113,8 million were delivered, which
      accounts for 64,4% of the planned volume. To reorient
      largest importers for the purchase of products from domestic
      commodity producers for companies conducted regional
      meetings at which they had the opportunity to draw up and sign
      specific contracts. Thanks to this practice, such famous
      companies such as JSC Kazakhmys, Ispat-Karmet, Kazzinc, SSGPO, Donskoy
      GOK, RSE "Kazakhstan Temir Zholy" significantly increased the volume
      import substitution. And the national oil and gas company "Kazakhoil"
      the oil and gas engineering development program agreed on
      factories of the Republic of Kazakhstan on the supply of products worth $ 17,7 million. [/ quote]
      After the second ... only the business began to come to its senses, sweat sweat, TS ...
      Here is the third one to help large exporters. And the small and medium will again get out by itself.
      1. Alekst
        Alekst 28 February 2014 19: 17
        +1
        I read about import substitution, and I didn’t understand what was invested in it, the companies you listed, as I understand it, are mining and enterprises of partial processing. I can say that in Alma-Ata you can see that now there are shopping centers on the site of AZTM, ARO, ADK, etc., and where does the TS?
        1. marshes
          marshes 28 February 2014 19: 38
          +2
          Quote: Alekst
          where does the vehicle?

          After the second crisis, it was necessary to create a new import substitution program in order to support entrepreneurs and not open the customs border, it is clear that some people on this wave entered the Gazprom Board of Directors.
          But AZTM, ARO and ADK are not efficient and knowingly unprofitable enterprises, even if they were not interested in investors, except for the land under them.
          1. Alekst
            Alekst 28 February 2014 20: 07
            +2
            All of you are right in saying that it’s wrong to just blame the TS for me. Kazakhstan, so far, is weak in all components that relates to the production of something, management, technological base, science, etc. It will take more than a decade to develop this, but in fact there is a huge market nearby, where you can find your own segment for development, neither in China, nor even in the EU we will be allowed into whatever WTO we are, and the mechanisms in HARDWARE over time, I hope at least.
  27. Zymran
    Zymran 28 February 2014 18: 46
    +2
    The balance of Kazakhstan in the distribution of import customs duties with Russia and Belarus in 2013 was negative, this situation will repeat this year, Gosman Amrin, chairman of the customs control committee of the country's finance ministry, said on Thursday, IA News-Kazakhstan reports.

    “In fact, Kazakhstan receivedfrom member countries of the Customs Union 250 billion tenge (import customs duty), and transferred 291,6 billion tenge... thus, the balance is not in favor of Kazakhstan by 41,6 billion tenge. According to our estimates, this trend will increase this year as well, which, of course, will lead to a certain non-fulfillment of forecast revenues to the country's budget, ”said Amrin, speaking at the board of the Ministry of Finance.

    According to him, a preliminary analysis shows that the expected revenue of customs payments and taxes in 2014 year, taking into account changes in the tenge exchange rate, will amount to 1 trillion 625,2 billion tenge. “When clarifying the budget for 2014, we ask you to take into account the calculations of the Customs Control Committee,” the head of the CPC addressed the Prime Minister and Minister of Finance of the country.