The end of the era of analog night vision devices

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The end of the era of analog night vision devices


Night vision technology has advanced significantly over the past decade. These portable devices first appeared in the troops in 1960-s, then they acted on the principles of light amplification. Thus, under moonlight or starlight, troops could better observe what was happening than their opponent could. In the following decades, these devices became smaller, lighter and more powerful.



Recently, the development of night vision has accelerated and became more revolutionary. The latter of them use digital light amplification technology. Until now, light amplification was analog. However, digital devices provide much more gain (up to 300 times), the software clears a muddy picture, or quickly adjusts the gain of the device, so that the user moving from the dark to the lighted room does not receive temporary blinding. Digital images can be easily transmitted wirelessly. New digital glasses weigh 680 gr and are successfully used by special operations forces. New digital light amplification technology works quite well and with the existing thermal vision technology, quickly using data from both systems to produce an even more accurate image for the user.

The advantages of digital light amplification were immediately noted by the troops when they received new night-vision devices (NVD) at their disposal in the combat zone. The US Army began getting ENVG (Enhanced Night Vision Goggle) night-vision goggles mounted on a helmet as early as 2009, and received an even more advanced SENVG (Spiral Enhanced Night Vision Goggles) system in 2011. The main advantage of SENVG is a much sharper, full-color image. Troops received for testing these devices refused to return them. SENVG is more expensive than its predecessors and the initial order for them was less than a thousand instruments. Since then, the order has been tripled, but in spite of this, SENVG stands out only for the divisions that especially need them.



Field tests of the original ENVG night vision device (AN / PAS13) took place in the 2005 year. This device worked with the current AN / PVS-14 night vision device (using light amplification), but also had the ability to use a thermal image (to distinguish the difference in heat generation). The more troops marched into Afghanistan, the more important the ENVG became for successful combat at night. ENVGs were so successful that the army ordered 50000 devices so that all troops in the combat zone could be equipped with them. ENVGs have proven to be especially useful for detecting enemy militants hiding (in vegetation) at night. Troops equipped with an ENVG have 50-and percent probability of detecting militants hiding in vegetation at a distance of 300 meters and 80-percent probability at a distance of 150 meters. This makes it much more difficult to organize ambushes against US forces at night. Since militants rarely have night vision devices, they have to rely on sounds and fleeting glimpses of approaching Americans. This means that American troops must be closer than 50 meters to the enemy before he can open fire. Thus, ENVG provide an extremely important advantage at night. It also served as a great help for raising American morality and vice versa for the Taliban morality. SENVG NVD further increases the American advantage.



ENVGs have become so popular due to the combination of the old technology of enhancing light with a thermal night sight. This combined device weighs about one kilogram. The old thermal ENVG weighed 864 g, while the AN / PVS-13 light amplifier weighed 568 g, for a total of about a kilogram. The new sight is not only lighter, but more compact and easier to handle. It provides a total of usage for 15 hours (7.5 hours for a thermal imager and the same amount of light booster). In most cases (starry sky or moonlight) light amplifier is enough. But where there is no other lighting (for example, in a building or in a cave) it is necessary to use a thermal imager. The thermal imager also allows you to see through fog and sandstorms.



Just ten years ago, thermal imagers were large and bulky and only available on vehicles (Tanks M-1 and BMP Bradley). However, after 2006, smaller and lighter thermal imagers appeared on the market. US Army Special Forces have been using these lightweight thermal imagers with great success from the start of their development.



Field tests of a combined instrument with light amplification and a thermal imager began in the 2008 year, and it has established itself as a popular and reliable instrument. The former thermal imagers were also very popular, but wearing both night sights did not cause much excitement. At first, the plans of the American army did not include the equipping of all combat units with a more expensive combined sight. However, the situation changed as soon as laudatory reports about ENVG came directly from the divisions and how many lives were saved thanks to him. Not all non-combat units will be equipped with ENVG, but in each of them there will be some ENVG. The army found money ($ 770 million) for the purchase of more than 50 000 new ENVG for about $ 15 000 for each.



SENVGs proved to be equally expensive and difficult to manufacture, and were primarily received by the Special Forces and SEALs. New technology in SENVG will be applied armory sights, as well as in night vision devices of vehicles. It's the same with the new fully digital technology.
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  1. ikken
    +11
    27 February 2014 08: 31
    When will they be introducing similar things to us at least in Special Forces, Airborne Forces and MP? Is it really such a high matter that in the whole country they cannot assemble a development team to create such devices?
    1. +4
      27 February 2014 09: 01
      Video AN / PSQ-20 (ENVG)
    2. Vita_vko
      +6
      27 February 2014 09: 12
      Perhaps there is nothing impossible in this technology. As a last resort, you can duplicate. Although one of the best in the world is French optronics, this is probably why the Thales Optronic JV was created. But the joint venture and the acquisition of technology are only a temporary solution to the problem. Of course, you need to create your own scientific school and scientific and technological base.
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      2. vyatom
        0
        27 February 2014 23: 30
        Well create so. or should the state provide you with everything?
    3. +6
      27 February 2014 10: 31
      Quote: ikken
      When will they be introducing similar things to us at least in Special Forces, Airborne Forces and MP? Is it really such a high matter that in the whole country they cannot assemble a development team to create such devices?

      To implement this, you need to have the technology, you need to conduct development ... If it weren’t for the French from Thales, we would still be without thermal imagers. But again, Thales gave us what was virtually yesterday, the latest developments are not available to us.
      1. +1
        27 February 2014 10: 42
        Quote: Nayhas
        Thales gave us what was actually yesterday

        Unfortunately FACT! crying
        But there is hope on the basis of our received will develop Temko.
        But there is a question for the professor:
        Please show Evgeny how this "waffle" sees through a sandstorm and at what distance?
        Before, Eugene filled photographs in his articles with annotations, now no crying . Correct yourself, Herrrr Professor.
        1. 0
          27 February 2014 11: 13
          Quote: Papakiko
          Thales gave us what was actually yesterday

          Often, for advertising purposes it happens the other way around, they sell something that actually does not exist or only appear in the near future. To avoid such risks, they usually resort to an OFFSET policy when acquiring technologies. For example, direct offset protects well enough from misunderstandings related to systemic technological backlogs and excessive production costs.
      2. 0
        27 February 2014 11: 38
        Perhaps the opposite. If it weren’t for the French, we would now have our own vast base of developments on this topic.
      3. beard999
        +2
        27 February 2014 15: 56
        Quote: Nayhas
        If not for the French from Thales, we would still be without thermal imagers

        This is a clear exaggeration. In 2010, a license was purchased from the French for the production of thermal imaging sights made on uncooled microbolometric arrays. Moreover, it was a “foreign economic order” http://lenta.ru/articles/2012/10/25/ost/. But cooled thermal imagers were produced back in Soviet times. For example, GIPO, for Soviet anti-tank systems, mass-produced thermal imaging sights since 1980 http://npogipo.ru/about/nashi_dostizheniya/. And without any foreign participation. Of course, these were still those “cabinets”, but nevertheless, we have produced our thermal imaging devices for a long time.
        1. sss5.papu
          +1
          27 February 2014 16: 23
          Just for some reason, the T-90 TVP French.
          1. beard999
            +1
            27 February 2014 18: 15
            Quote: sss5.papu
            only for some reason on the T-90 TVP French.

            Well, it’s not the ancient "Agave-2" or "Nocturne" to put there ... Although, in fairness, the Russian thermal imaging sight is part of the Buran-M NPK 90 as part of the 2004 T-90A ... But it’s not even a matter of this one. Initially, Rosoboronexport bought from Thales a license for Catherine FC matrices to organize serial production of TPV sights at VOMZ with their subsequent installation on an export modification of the T-130S tank. The RF Ministry of Defense took advantage of this and ordered VOMZ matrices (according to various sources, 337 or 90 pcs.) For the Essa TPV sights and equipping them with 2006 T-XNUMXA tanks.
            Nevertheless, we have also been working in this direction. The first results are:
            Irbis-K
            http://vpk.name/file/img/Irbis_for_tanks.jpg
            http://www.vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-5036.htm
    4. +1
      27 February 2014 12: 16
      Quote: ikken
      When will they be introducing similar things to us at least in Special Forces, Airborne Forces and MP? Is it really such a high matter that in the whole country they cannot assemble a development team to create such devices?

      While introducing analog NVD:
      "Shvabe" improved the night sight
    5. beard999
      +1
      27 February 2014 15: 39
      Quote: ikken
      Is it really so high matter

      Digital surveillance and aiming devices in Russia are quite produced. There are no special know-how for us here. Another thing is that developments for law enforcement agencies are not particularly advertised and more often than not, they are generally shown at closed shows. These products, even if they go to open exhibitions, are usually without any performance characteristics and other details. From what is known: the digital device "Observer" http://www.anti-systems.ru/catalogue/products/special_operations/147_nabludatel.
      php, day-night sighting system "Numismatist" ("Daedalus-HB") http://77rus.smugmug.com/Military/Exhibition-in-ORSIS/i-rcHCFcn/0/O/ExhibitionOR
      SIS_34.jpg, Skif day and night scope (oil refinery), television sight for small arms NF-1181, digital night vision goggles (KZ named after Zverev) http://f-lite.ru/lfp/s51.radikal. ru / i131 / 1402 / 3a / e88234d0f09f.jpg / htm ... At the closed show on the “Innovation Day” in August last year, the first sight samples from the SB RAS were shown http://sib.fm/news/2012/09/19/ universalnyj-cifrovoj-pricel-iz-novosibirska-poluc
      hil-dengi, but unfortunately no details are available.
      Another question is the prevalence of such devices in power structures. These devices are extremely expensive, and are unlikely to be widely used in the near future, at least in the sun.
      1. vyatom
        +1
        27 February 2014 23: 33
        as one veteran of the Great Patriotic War said, "if we have something secret, it means that it is so backward that it is secret just not to be disgraced"
  2. Gagarin
    +2
    27 February 2014 09: 24
    I don’t remember which channel, but similar Russian know-how was shown on the cart, there are developments.
    But with the introduction of this, as always, 10 years will simply carry on exhibitions.
  3. +1
    27 February 2014 09: 29
    If you don’t read about something new, technological, and promising weapons. Almost all from the states. When will we have it.
  4. buser
    -14
    27 February 2014 10: 04
    it’s good to fight with such equipment with Afghans, Iraqis, with the Papuans in the end ... But if you shy away from all this technology with an electromagnetic pulse ??? What will happen???
    1. Saboteur
      +5
      27 February 2014 10: 19
      Tired of already reading comments about EMF. What will happen? We will use the eyes as in the good old. What do you propose not to implement because there is an EMF ???
    2. Saboteur
      0
      27 February 2014 10: 19
      Tired of already reading comments about EMF. What will happen? We will use the eyes as in the good old. What do you propose not to implement because there is an EMF ???
    3. +3
      27 February 2014 11: 05
      Quote: buzer
      But if you shy away from this whole technique with an electromagnetic pulse ??? What will happen???

      We’ll wrap the existing products in the Faraday cage and the now non-existent EMR will go to smoke aside. fellow
    4. vyatom
      0
      27 February 2014 23: 37
      goosey. how do you spoil thermal imaging equipment with an electromagnetic pulse? and what power should the pulse be and at what frequency? Pick up by advertisement
  5. Eugeniy_369k
    +7
    27 February 2014 10: 11
    However, the situation changed as soon as laudatory messages about ENVG began to come directly from the units and a description of how many lives were saved thanks to him. Not all non-combat units will be equipped with ENVG, but each of them will have a certain amount of ENVG. The army found money ($ 770 million) for the purchase of more than 50 new ENVGs at a price of about $ 000 each.

    Here she is a real concern for l / s, I certainly understand here schA say that striped almost "lard" slobber is not a problem ... but this is a fact, about 50 thousand bayonets fully equipped for operations in night conditions and conditions of poor visibility are expensive.
    1. +4
      27 February 2014 11: 32
      What is 1 lard? Dust and nothing more .. Absolutely other money is spent on unnecessary junk, but the real things that save the lives of FIGS. and this applies to all simple commonplace things such as communication. good shape and equipment. yes that there are normal shoes there and then no .. all the specialists in the import go, is it really super high-tech to sew high-quality boots? If we can’t even provide this, what kind of nightlights and thermal imagers can be discussed.
      1. Kir
        -1
        28 February 2014 06: 42
        Can not. or ......., most likely, as in all world corporations and their minions, one wants to raise money from everywhere, and even more preferably without problems, but how can this be ensured .....? by destroying the scientific and production base We are at home and observe. Now for shoes, I'm sorry, but here you’re not quite right, let's take a closer look at what is the best sole ?, correctly made leather, or at worst cast rubber, why now there are actually no shoes with such a sole,
        1 Quite expensive due to the cost of raw materials
        2 Low manufacturability

        What is the most correct "fastener" of the sole - nails, but not metal, but wooden
        How do laces do now ?, often with resin coating, and why, yes, it’s easier to coat with resin than to make the right weave
        The upper skin, remember how old the shoes were worn ?, but it turns out that it was quite simple to withstand it for almost 2 days, the same way it began to speed up the process by saving.
        Then the firmware, earlier at least 5 mm was left under the seam, and now, in addition to expensive models, they actually sew to the edge
        As a conclusion, everything is brought down for the sake of economy - so-so excuse, but in fact, good things are not beneficial to the "manufacturer".

        Well, to SGA, there is not so much care as the risk of paying insurance payments, their concern there is not about people, but about money and image.
  6. +2
    27 February 2014 11: 47
    the problem is not how to assemble it. no complete set. there is a problem with the matrix, or rather, with its resolution. we don’t do electronics.
    if we close our eyes to foreign parts, then there are domestic models of thermal imagers. stand, however, like a cast-iron bridge. as I was told here "if there are a lot of candy wrappers, then you are welcome." :-)

    = ^ _ ^ =
  7. wanderer_032
    -7
    27 February 2014 12: 37
    All these NVD devices and thermal imagers, all this is good.
    But you can hide from the thermal imager simply by reducing the thermal radiation from the object of observation (put on thick thermally insulating clothes and masks made of dense fabric on your face at night), and equip your weapons with tactical silencers that will extinguish the fire from the shots, plus install a heat-insulating casing on the barrel or use a silent weapon with integrated silencers.
    NVD can be "illuminated" with a bright light source (a device such as a laser pointer or something similar), or you can use devices that give a bright light source (flash grenades, mines, signal mines, ractenitsa or homemade analogs).
    You can also change the tactics of action and creating a certain tactical environment, negate the advantage of using such devices.
    Ways to confront an enemy equipped with similar devices can always be found if you know the principle of operation of such devices and how they can be disabled.
    It’s just that among the population of Afghanistan there were few educated people who had completed at least elementary school, as well as among residents of the Middle Eastern countries, where Ameri warriors were using these devices without any problems, but as they say, every action has its own opposition.
    In addition, all electronic devices can operate reliably and for a long time only at positive ambient temperatures, in winter at sub-zero temperatures or severe frost, any electronics malfunctions or for a very short time due to fast battery discharge.
    1. +10
      27 February 2014 13: 03
      But you can hide from the thermal imager simply by reducing the thermal radiation from the object of observation (put on thick, thermally insulating clothes and masks made of thick fabric on the face at night)

      A fur coat, felt boots and a cap with earflaps will die in 30-40 minutes from heat stroke.

      equip your weapons with tactical silencers that will extinguish the flame from shots, plus install a heat-insulating casing on the barrel or use a silent weapon with integrated silencers.

      How to cool the trunks? The laws of thermodynamics have already been canceled?

      NVD can be "illuminated" with a bright light source (a device such as a laser pointer or something similar), or you can use devices that give a bright light source (flash grenades, mines, signal mines, ractenitsa or homemade analogs).

      That's right, let's use laser pointers to indicate (sorry for taphthalophia) your location for kilometers. We will wave them in all directions, maybe we’ll light someone.

      In addition, all electronic devices can operate reliably and for a long time only at positive ambient temperatures, in winter at sub-zero temperatures or in severe frost, any electronics malfunction or for a very short time due to fast battery discharge

      Electronics the colder the better, with increasing temperature, the resistance of the conductors increases. Is not it? wink
      1. wanderer_032
        -1
        27 February 2014 14: 11
        Quote: professor
        A fur coat, felt boots and a cap with earflaps will die in 30-40 minutes from heat stroke.

        I did not propose this. And if you have no more minds for anything, then these are your problems.
        Quote: professor
        How to cool the trunks? The laws of thermodynamics have already been canceled?

        Watson is elementary! Outside there is metal or heat-resistant plastic, and asbestos material between the barrel and the barrel. Only shoot at an aimingly slow pace, preventing the barrel from heating up too much. For normal exhaust of gases and excessive heat, make a thermally shielded outlet on the casing so that the air and powder gases have time to cool.
        Quote: professor
        That's right, let's use laser pointers to indicate (sorry for taphthalophia) your location for kilometers. We will wave them in all directions, maybe we’ll light someone.

        Has it ever occurred to you that you can set up the same laser pointer so that it "hits" with short pulses sufficient for the NVD or thermal imager to "glitch"? In addition, you can use the short-pulse mode from several points, changing your location at once, in order to disorient the soldiers looking through the NVG. Imagine now a picture when several dozen of such impulses shine in their faces from different directions or flash in the dark, disorienting them, that still picture will be. laughing

        Quote: professor
        Electronics the colder the better, with increasing temperature, the resistance of the conductors increases. Is not it?

        I don’t know how it is in Israel (maybe the alien climate there), but in Siberia when it’s -10 Celsius with a breeze, then electronic devices can’t stand continuous operation for a long time, but if it’s -30 (and even if it’s with a breeze) they generally fail after 5-10 minutes (under such conditions, spitting freezes on the fly, if that). wink
        We have almost all foreign cars (if they are without additional equipment or not in warm garages) they are fun in the yards in severe frosts, because they are crammed with electronics and can not tolerate low temperatures and often simply do not start.
        1. +2
          27 February 2014 15: 10
          Alexander.
          You, as a true representative of "The Need for Invention is Cunning" (most of the Russians are like that), on a grand scale, recited the creation of the military-industrial complex of the mattress and everything that the professor wrote.
          But not in all cases, you can fully use the methods of counteraction. Especially when it comes to partisan methods.
          They also have mattress covers on chamalots (drills, ebbs) and a system for monitoring the ground situation with very bad possibilities (they trumped trump cards in Libya, now the Israelis are polishing it up). There was an article about this here last year.
          1. wanderer_032
            0
            27 February 2014 16: 49
            Quote: Papakiko
            They also have mattress covers on chamalots (drills, ebbs) and a system for monitoring the ground situation with very bad possibilities (they trumped trump cards in Libya, now the Israelis are polishing it up). There was an article about this here last year.

            So you need to find ways to protect and counter the use of such equipment.
            It is necessary to study its working principles (advantages and disadvantages), find its weak point and use this in its tactics of counteraction.
            If the enemy has such equipment, on the basis of this fact, what now to go and surrender to everyone in prison now?
            I don’t think so, and you?
        2. 0
          27 February 2014 15: 22
          Quote: wanderer_032
          I did not propose this. And if you have no more minds for anything, then these are your problems.

          Very adult and detailed answer. Bravo. good You offered to do thermal insulation "by reducing the thermal radiation from the object of observation (to put on thick heat-insulating clothing and masks made of dense fabric on your face at night)". The question is: where will all this heat go? That's right - to stay on the object itself, that is, the human body. So much for heatstroke. laughing

          Quote: wanderer_032
          Outside, metal or heat-resistant plastic, and asbestos material between it and the barrel.

          I repeat the question. Heat from the trunk how and where will you take it?

          Quote: wanderer_032
          Has it ever occurred to you that you can set up the same laser pointer so that it "hits" with short pulses sufficient for the NVD or thermal imager to "glitch"?

          I confess honestly, such brilliant thoughts did not visit my head. Stupid ideas like those that if you are capable of hitting the "eye" of an adversary with a laser beam, then what prevents you from stupidly planting a bullet into it? Or maybe it’s not easy to get a laser into the eye of a soldier who is armed with a firearm? It can, after all, shoot into the radiation source.

          Quote: wanderer_032
          I do not know how you have it in Israel

          I don’t know how you have it in Siberia, but I bet that now on your computer there is a processor cooling system, and not a heating system. Yes, yes, I mean that buzzing thing called a fan. wink
          1. wanderer_032
            +1
            27 February 2014 16: 22
            Quote: professor
            It’s right to stay on the object itself, that is, the human body. So much for the heat stroke.

            Yes, but the thermal radiation will not go outside or it will not be enough for the thermal imager to detect, so that the soldier himself does not have to tighten his clothes and be free so that the air inside can cool (you can put on additional mesh underwear) if it’s a little hot it’s for things can be tolerated.
            We have a saying: He doesn’t break heat bones.
            Quote: professor
            if you are capable of hitting the "eye" of an adversary with a laser beam, then what prevents you from stupidly planting a bullet there?

            I doubt that after his NVG or thermal imager "lights up" and he goes blind himself, he will be able to hit somewhere aimed. And given that while he moves away from such a "bunny", you can shoot him at this time.
            I’m not talking about blinding with bright light. I have personal experience.
            There was a time when I worked in a private security company in an auto patrol. When we went to the alarm at the facility at night and made a round and round inspection, then with the bright beam of my halogen lamp (suddenly turned on right in the face) we had to "blind" the night thieves more than once. This is also not safe, it would seem, because this person is right next to you and anything can be in his hands, but as practice has shown that such a technique works very effectively because a sudden bright light in the eyes blinds and disorients a person for 1-2 minutes, and more, depending on the individual characteristics of the organism. During this time, while he caught the "bunny", he can be "tied", which is actually required in my work. That's it.
            And I am also well acquainted with the work of NVD and I know very well how a bright flash acts on this device and on the vision of a person who uses it.
            From partial loss of vision and disorientation in space to a burn of the mucous membrane and cornea of ​​the eye, and complete loss of vision for several hours or days.

            Quote: professor

            I don’t know how you have it in Siberia, but I bet that now on your computer there is a processor cooling system, and not a heating system. Yes, yes, I mean that buzzing thing called a fan.

            Yes. But my computer works indoors at a temperature of plus 20-25 degrees C, since I live in a house with stove heating, and not with a central one, it happens that the room temperature drops to plus 15 in severe frosts, then my laptop the cooler rarely turns on.
            And if you take him out into the street in winter and work with him there, then the laptop will quack hopelessly and quack very quickly.
            If you do not believe, you can check on your own, I need mine in working condition.
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              27 February 2014 16: 32
              Quote: wanderer_032
              so as not to overheat the fighter himself, clothing should not be tight but free so that the air inside it could cool

              And how will it cool? Without heat transfer? Or did you invent a new method of heat transfer?

              Quote: wanderer_032
              if it’s a little hot, then for the sake of business, you can tolerate it. We have a saying: Heat bones do not break.

              I envy you, I ask in a 40-degree zhaora to us, so for 5 months. You will like it, it won’t break, it will break at the end of the first day
              Quote: wanderer_032
              There was a time when I worked in a private security company in an auto patrol. When we went to the alarm at the facility at night and made a round and a tour, the bright beam of my halogen lamp (suddenly turned on right in the face) more than once had to "blind" the night thieves

              You are lucky that this night thief did not grumble from the bagpipes while you had fun with your flashlight. As you know, in war you will not be given such privileges
              Quote: wanderer_032
              During this time, while he caught the "bunny", you can "tie" him, which is actually required in my work. That's it.

              During your walk with a flashlight. Sorry to shoot you 20 times. Yes, in addition, to make sure. butt butt
              Quote: wanderer_032
              And if you take it out in the winter and work with him there in the winter, the laptop will quack hopelessly and quack very quickly

              And so the NVD sucks. Bravo hi
              1. wanderer_032
                0
                27 February 2014 18: 21
                Quote: atalef
                I envy you, I ask in a 40-degree zhaora to us, so for 5 months. You will like it, it won’t break, it will break at the end of the first day

                In the summer, heat is also not uncommon for us and up to plus 45 degrees Celsius. It reached and did not die.
                By the way, I work on a UAZ "tablet", and there the engine is in the cab and there is no air conditioning, nothing is dead. Fuck your heat.
                He worked as a guard, in the summer in a uniform jacket and armor constantly walked at any temperature (we were not allowed to roll up our sleeves). And I also didn’t die.
                And I have a friend, he is a collector and he spends a lot of time in an armored car on the basis of a UAZ "tablet" in the summer (there is no air conditioner either, the glass is armored, so you understand). wink
                Had for three days almost without removing the armor at least once to wear in the heat? wink
                Or in a car, in the heat of the open sun so ride without air conditioning? wink


                Quote: atalef
                You are lucky that this night thief did not grumble from the bagpipes while you had fun with your flashlight.

                I’m not sick in my head with a flashlight always on to climb, basically I used it like that or to inspect places where really nothing is visible, but as for the fact that a thief could sniff at me, I have my own barrel at the ready in my hands was, but with a "bunny" in his eyes he would hardly have started shooting. For me he was in full view.
                Quote: atalef
                As you know, in war you will not be given such privileges

                Yes, but in a war it’s not the one who wants to shoot everyone who wins, but the one who is cunning, whoever thinks better and faster with his head.
                Quote: atalef
                And so the NVD sucks. Bravo

                And how does this device actually differ from other electronic devices when operating at low temperatures?
                Yes, nothing.
                From my own experience, I can say that camcorders with an electronic matrix at low temperatures have frequent malfunctions and failures.
                This applies not only to amateur cameras, but also to quite high-quality professional equipment of a similar class, used in video surveillance systems, for example.
            3. +1
              27 February 2014 16: 35
              Quote: wanderer_032
              so that the air inside it can cool

              You are absolutely not in the subject. To "cool" means to exchange heat or to radiate and, accordingly, to glow.

              Quote: wanderer_032
              We have a saying: He doesn’t break heat bones.

              and the protein folds at 42 degrees Celsius and then white slippers.

              Quote: wanderer_032
              I doubt that after his NVG or thermal imager "lights up" and he goes blind himself, he will be able to hit somewhere aimed. And given that while he moves away from such a "bunny", you can shoot him at this time.

              What nonsense? To get into the "eye" of a soldier with a laser, it is necessary to know exactly its location, aim and accurately hit the lens. If you are capable of this, then I advise you to put a bullet instead of a bunny. I do not advise other individuals to look for fighters with machine guns with a laser pointer. By the way, the devices are digital and it is not so easy to light them up. Burn out the matrix, I hope you don’t suggest?

              Quote: wanderer_032
              And I am also well acquainted with the work of NVD and I know very well how a bright flash acts on this device and on the vision of a person who uses it.

              Analog NVD, and this is digital. fool

              Quote: wanderer_032
              And if you take him out into the street in winter and work with him there, then the laptop will quack hopelessly and quack very quickly.

              The liquid crystal screen will fail, and the processor will only thank you. Have you heard about superconductivity?
              1. wanderer_032
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                27 February 2014 17: 50
                Quote: professor
                To "cool" means to exchange heat or to radiate and, accordingly, to glow.

                Yes, but with a dense layer of outer clothing that does not allow heat to go outside, this heat will be very poorly visible to someone who works with a thermal imager or will not be visible at all if the ambient temperature is cold.
                It was not for nothing that I talked about spacious clothes with mesh underwear on a person’s body. Thus, the circulation of warm air will take place inside. Between the upper dense layer of clothes and the body of a person dressed in such underwear, the air circulates inside and this is all cool.
                Such underwear is and is being produced. I personally saw and touched it myself.
                Also in outerwear, you can make special air valves that, when moving, will launch the outside atmospheric air, and release the air from the inside at the feet, for example (at the very ground, the air is always colder), you can also equip this suit with not a standard collar, but such as on " turtleneck "so that the air does not pass up, on the sleeves of the cuffs so that they are also fastened tightly. The air will go down to the ground and mix with the atmospheric air. An air conditioning system will be obtained between the body and dense clothing that will work forcibly from the movement of the human body.
                Quote: professor

                Analog NVD, and this is digital. fool

                They also light up and also blind the one who looks through them fool
                This can be seen even from this video:


                Quote: professor

                Liquid crystal screen will fail

                And to hell with me a computer without a display?
                It will not be possible to work with him anyway.
                By the way, what does the converter (ENVG), AN / PSQ-20 use there, by what principle does it work?
                1. +1
                  27 February 2014 18: 05
                  Quote: wanderer_032
                  Yes but

                  Go learn thermodynamics. Start with its basic laws.
                  Quote: wanderer_032
                  They also light up and also blind the one who looks through them
                  This can be seen even from this video:

                  No, they do not blind the user.

                  Quote: wanderer_032
                  By the way, what does the converter (ENVG), AN / PSQ-20 use there, by what principle does it work?

                  Combined light amplification (stars, moons ...) and thermal imager.
                  1. wanderer_032
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                    27 February 2014 19: 04
                    Quote: professor
                    Go learn thermodynamics.

                    Maybe you better do it, if you do not re-learn, then repeat well.
                    Quote: professor
                    No, they do not blind the user.

                    Yah?
                    Then watch the video again, it is clearly visible.
                    True, this device was not blindly deliberately targeted there (probably they were afraid that God forbid it burns, and taking into account the fact that it costs such hunters to find the strength of hunters, it wasn’t found).
                  2. +1
                    27 February 2014 21: 04
                    Professor! Please, correspond with a competent person!
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              2. +3
                27 February 2014 18: 45
                fellow do not care about thermodynamics and other physical garbage laughing but he has a flashlight hi
            4. 0
              27 February 2014 21: 08
              So there is a violation of the thermal imaging sights produced by the French company Thales, installed on the T-90S, which can not work normally in the summer heat. According to the manufacturer’s statement, for normal operation of the tank it is necessary to lower the temperature inside by 10 degrees, after which the electronics performance will be improved.
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        3. 0
          27 February 2014 18: 42
          Do not lie, the spitting does not freeze, the cars also drive, you still say the VAZ starts better than a foreign car!
        4. vyatom
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          27 February 2014 23: 44
          what electronic devices you can not stand? Chinese watches? Normal professional electronics easily tolerates temperatures even below -30. so do not show your grayness. We do not even live in Siberia, but we also have frosts of -30, and the humidity will be higher, unlike you. and nothing everything works. and the cars start up and the electronics try their best.
        5. Kir
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          28 February 2014 06: 52
          Just for the sake of everything, it’s not asbestos, to begin with, its dust is harmful, and then there is now such a thing called basalt fiber in terms of heat resistance and lower conductivity it surpasses, but it’s so worse sometimes because there is no heat transfer, it means overheating (you yourself do it and indicated, rather, it is necessary to make a compulsory system responsible for reducing the temperature difference between the barrel and the trunk.
          1. wanderer_032
            +1
            28 February 2014 11: 49
            Quote: Kir
            Just for the sake of everything, it’s not asbestos, to begin with, its dust is harmful, and then there is now such a thing called basalt fiber in terms of heat resistance and lower conductivity it surpasses, but it’s so worse sometimes because there is no heat transfer, it means overheating (you yourself do it and indicated, rather, it is necessary to make a compulsory system responsible for reducing the temperature difference between the barrel and the trunk.

            The material can be any, it doesn’t matter, the main thing is that it reliably extinguishes thermal radiation. So what I suggested is methods of protection from enemy’s technical surveillance equipment (NVD, thermal imager) that can be performed from improvised devices in the field if there is nothing else There are no similar cr-protection of mass-produced and in service in any country in the world.
            It’s high time to do this, but things are still there.
            1. Kir
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              28 February 2014 16: 24
              And now basalt is quite common among the same firefighters, that’s the way, but in fact it’s necessary to reduce it within the permissible limits - mobility and cost should be acceptable. And with regards to the cart, well, it’s not a fact that he is still there, but We are not them, PR and other things, but according to the realities ....... we’ll wait.
      2. Eugeniy_369k
        +2
        27 February 2014 14: 12
        Quote: professor
        A fur coat, felt boots and a cap with earflaps will die in 30-40 minutes from heat stroke.

        What if it’s in the Arctic? wassat
        Thanks for the review Prof wink ... Enlighten us and further than the "damned Iperialists" will capture us. Maybe what will be the benefit ...
      3. wanderer_032
        +1
        27 February 2014 15: 13
        Quote: professor

        A fur coat, felt boots and a cap with earflaps will die in 30-40 minutes from heat stroke.

        I want to add specifically about a fur coat, boots and a cap with earflaps.
        I watched a long time ago one film about the clothes of Bedouin Arabs who continuously wander among the desert.
        So from it, I well remember that their outer national clothing in which they roam the desert is made of dense woolen fabric, camel wool is the material for it and the fabric from such wool is very dense and practically does not allow heat to pass outside and inside (I have at home there is a blanket made of such wool and although it is thin, having covered it even in severe frosts, I slept under it very comfortably). And they don’t die of heatstroke, and even vice versa, only in these clothes from their words and saves them from unbearable heat. wink tongue
        1. wanderer_032
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          27 February 2014 15: 26
          And about the minuses in my address I can only say one thing.
          Probably these people who are fanatical in love with such things are probably offended that a toy for 15-25 thousand Bakinsky may be useless against soldier’s and people's ingenuity and penniless measures to counter them.
          What the Russian army and people have always been famous for.
        2. 0
          27 February 2014 15: 28
          Quote: wanderer_032
          And they don’t die of heatstroke, and even vice versa, only in these clothes from their words and saves them from unbearable heat.

          1. Where does the heat go?
          2. They die from heat stroke like all other mortals.
          1. wanderer_032
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            27 February 2014 16: 31
            Quote: professor
            Where is the heat going?

            So you ask them. You’re closer to them. Yes
            1. 0
              27 February 2014 16: 38
              Quote: wanderer_032
              So you ask them. You’re closer to them.

              And no need to ask. Desert children in the heat in the shade sit and do not go anywhere caravans like in the movies. Mortality from them goes off scale. Air conditioners are now held in high esteem.
          2. sss5.papu
            0
            27 February 2014 18: 31
            Well, you are a professor, like a child! Don't you know that you can argue only smart. And worse than stupidity - stubborn idiot
        3. Kir
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          28 February 2014 16: 30
          Well, the cotton bathrobes of the residents of our former Asian republics serve the same thing, and they save them from overheating and from the cold, but they, unlike the most common synthetic materials, Breathe !!!, and as far as I remember, the main problem with dehydration is for the loss of salts through sweat, which is why in hot shops there were previously automatic machines with salt water.
    2. 0
      27 February 2014 19: 09
      buy laser pointers and go to the bayonet - not an option. It’s better to have modern technology than not to have it.
  8. +1
    27 February 2014 14: 34
    Actually, for the first time, night-vision devices were tested by the Americans during the war with Japan. In the years 1944-45.
    1. +1
      27 February 2014 15: 29
      Quote: ikrut
      Actually, for the first time, night-vision devices were tested by the Americans during the war with Japan. In the years 1944-45.

      In fact, for the first time, night-vision devices were tested by the Germans during the war with the USSR. In the year 1944.

      1. wanderer_032
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        27 February 2014 16: 43
        When this equipment first appeared, there were no measures and ways to resist it.
        Since then, much time has passed and much has changed.
        1. 0
          27 February 2014 16: 59
          Quote: wanderer_032
          ways to protect and resist the use of such equipment.
          Need to study her pri

          And much and not much. For example, the Observer, disguised here as a modern day-night digital television surveillance device, uses infrared illumination as a zero-generation night vision device of the 1940s.

          They invented all sorts of "capes" and "trompe l'oeil" for equipment, but they were not noticed in large numbers among the troops, unlike the thermal imagers themselves.
      2. 0
        27 February 2014 19: 12
        They put such things on the Panthers, and behind them went the Ganomag and fired all with an IR spotlight. Germans are generally a capable nation
  9. 0
    27 February 2014 15: 59
    Quote: wanderer_032
    And about the minuses in my address I can only say one thing.
    Probably these people who are fanatical in love with such things are probably offended that a toy for 15-25 thousand Bakinsky may be useless against soldier’s and people's ingenuity and penniless measures to counter them.
    What the Russian army and people have always been famous for.

    So he imagined, as in the case of a sudden landing of the American landing, the Russian soldiers are frantically buying up laser pointers, fur coats and trying to cover their ac74m with building asbestos and pieces of plastic from broken children's toys from the nearest TsUM
    1. wanderer_032
      +1
      27 February 2014 16: 29
      Yes, at least. Not that the Ukrainian soldiers, who are ready to raise their paws to the top, are probably ready for anyone. Even in front of a crowd of banderlogs from the West who were armed with stake and pitchfork, who climbed into military weapons depots and stole a certain number of trunks there. nobody canceled the service and oath.
      1. 0
        27 February 2014 17: 16
        Quote: wanderer_032
        Yes, at least. Not that the Ukrainian soldiers, who are ready to raise their paws to the top, are probably ready for anyone. Even in front of a crowd of banderlogs from the West who were armed with stake and pitchfork, who climbed into military weapons depots and stole a certain number of trunks there. nobody canceled the service and oath.

        Why did I remember how the Chechens did exactly the same thing with the warehouses of the RSFSR in 1992-93 and how, quite recently, the proud "sons of the mountains", forced to serve urgently in the RF Armed Forces, terrorized entire units))
        1. wanderer_032
          +1
          27 February 2014 18: 31
          They would try to get into our unit for something.
          Quickly in the head off they would have seized lead without talking.
  10. 0
    27 February 2014 16: 01
    about heat stroke.
    I won’t tell the source, simply because I don’t remember, but thermal blankets (emergency, made of reflective film) significantly reduce the signature.
    Of course, you must understand that even an object invisible in the thermal imager can be perfectly perfectly visible in the stadium.

    the device is good. the main problem is that it eats batteries, which even in the US Army are delivered through the ass.

    = ^ _ ^ =
    1. 0
      27 February 2014 16: 11
      So he introduced the fighters who are trying to complete a combat mission, wrapping blankets from head to toe.

      Batteries guzzle and other devices, even the same banal army radio stations. So, let's get back to the messenger and the carrier pigeons, or what?
      1. 0
        27 February 2014 17: 38
        Quote: Logos
        So he introduced the fighters who are trying to complete a combat mission, wrapping blankets from head to toe.

        Batteries guzzle and other devices, even the same banal army radio stations. So, let's get back to the messenger and the carrier pigeons, or what?


        thick.

        as a disguise for some kind of shelter for infantry, such films will do. not a panacea, but they will do.
        and batteries are a matter of logistics. which must be decided. which must be carried. and which just for PNV / thermal imagers are often not enough. Nathaniel Fick in his book seems to have raised this issue.

        it’s just that every time new devices are shown, all at once represent only successful use. but no one wants to think about a bunch of other hemorrhoids. :-)

        = ^ _ ^ =
        1. +1
          27 February 2014 18: 06
          Problems with the logistics of batteries and other consumables for new devices that dramatically increase the capabilities of a fighter cannot serve as an excuse and reason for abandoning these same devices.
          I remembered here a historical example: in the Russian Empire, generals stubbornly refused to mass arm the army with primer guns: they say, coarse soldier's fingers cannot cope with a small primer and it is easy to lose it, but it is expensive and equipped only at the factory, while flint for a shock lock is cheap and is widespread everywhere. And rifled guns are also not very much needed by the soldiers: the Russian soldier is strong with the Suvorov bayonet fight, and not with expensive and unreliable newfangled toys. The result of such a worldview was not slow to show itself in the Crimean War. Now, as I see, history is repeating itself, albeit with some nuances: single prototypes created in the Russian Federation are declared wunderwalks "having no analogues in the world", and as soon as the question of adopting the necessary models of modern weapons arises, the howl immediately begins that ak74 and rpg7 are ours everything else is nafig unnecessary and in general, difficulties temper the soldier
          1. 0
            27 February 2014 18: 49
            Yes, and against automatic weapons there were yelling nafig it’s necessary, like a soldier, he’ll shoot so many cartridges at once .. let’s walk
  11. wanderer_032
    0
    27 February 2014 19: 17
    Quote: jagdpanzer
    Do not lie, the spitting does not freeze, the cars also drive, you still say the VAZ starts better than a foreign car!

    It starts up. It turned on at -35. But the Renault Symbol is from a friend, it did not start up due to a malfunction of the electronics.
    Until they dragged and warmed it into the heat. And this is only one fact in a thousand.
    A spit on the fly freezes at -30 with the wind, but you can see it not sitting in a warm comfortable office warming your ass there, but working on the street outside the city.
  12. wanderer_032
    +1
    27 February 2014 21: 21
    In general, I want to explain why I took such a position.
    Many people are just 100% sure that by using ultra modern technology, you can win the war while remaining invulnerable, but this is far from the case.
    The wars in the Middle East and Central Asia showed this. US and NATO soldiers have practically any technical innovations in service, but they have not won anywhere, although they were opposed mainly by partisan formations, not even a professionally trained regular army. They could not completely destroy them. even despite free hands in terms of freedom of action, there is plenty of evidence that often instead of the enemy’s forces, they stupidly fired at civilians, killing them in thousands.
    I wanted to tell everyone that I said above that no one wins the battle, the army is equipped with the latest technology, all of this is nice to have, but the one who succeeds in surpassing the enemy in tactics wins the battle by contrasting technical superiority with his will to win and his ingenuity how to nullify his technical superiority and break his strength in battle.
    I am writing this because it may happen that it is necessary to fight with a technically superior opponent. But it will be necessary to fight and fight with what is at hand at the moment, and not rely on military-technical innovations that will be largely unavailable.
  13. -2
    27 February 2014 21: 25
    Quote: wanderer_032
    I am writing this because it can happen that it is necessary to fight with a technically superior opponent. But it will be necessary to fight and fight with what is at hand

    You can always buy a new mouse. if the old go bad.
    Lord, the country is waiting for heroes--. and they don’t even teach physics. laughing
  14. 0
    28 February 2014 01: 08
    Forgot about active cooling, in an ambush, put a tank of water and a couple of tubes to cool yourself and weapons. But the best portable condenser with tube cooling wassat laughing
  15. 0
    28 February 2014 12: 07
    "Necessity for invention is cunning" (most of the Russians are like that) Ehh! It’s always like this, if the urge is there, I won’t be surprised if KULIBINS appear in critical situations who do something simple, reliable, out of scrap materials and, at the same time, DO NOT HAVE ANALOGUES IN THE WORLD!

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