As the Crimean Tatars stabbed in the back of Russia in the years of the revolution and the Civil War

After the betrayal of Russia during the Eastern (Crimean) War, the Crimean Tatars calmed down for a while. In addition, a wave of resettlement to Turkey and the active settlement of the Crimea by Russians and other peoples followed. However, despite this, the Crimean Tatars continued to wait for an opportunity to plunge a knife into the back of Russia. The following such incident was introduced after the 1917 revolution of the year.

By the beginning of the revolutionary events, the Russians (Great Russians and Little Russians) constituted the majority of the population of the peninsula - about 50% (about 400 thousand people), Tatars and Turks made up about 27% of the population of the peninsula (216 thousand people). In addition, there were many Jews in the Crimea - 8,4% (68 thousand), Germans - more than 5% (41 thousand people). Greeks, Armenians, Bulgarians, Poles, Karaites and representatives of other nations also lived on the peninsula.

Already 25 March (7 April) 1917, the general meeting of Muslims of Crimea opened in Simferopol, which established the Provisional Muslim (Crimean-Tatar) executive committee (Municipal Executive Committee). Chelebidzhan Chelebiev, who was simultaneously the supreme mufti, was elected its chairman. The leaders of the Moscow Executive Committee in the summer of 1917 created the “National Party”.

Crimean Tatar nationalists immediately raised the issue of the formation of the Crimean Tatar military units. This idea was supported by the commander of the Crimean Equestrian Regiment, Colonel A. P. Revshin. The Russian colonel, defending the idea of ​​forming the Crimean infantry units, put forward the same ideas that are now being repeated by supporters of the creation in the Russian Federation of “national territorial units”. Revshin spoke about providing Muslims with the opportunity to serve together, abide by their rules of religion, about the homogeneity of the units of nationality and religion, cohesion "because of the belonging of individual soldiers to the same villages, cities and counties."

On May 15, a delegation of Crimean Tatars headed by Chelebiev met in Sevastopol with Minister of War A. Kerensky. The delegation proposed to Kerensky to return to the Crimea the Crimean Horse Regiment, to form another regiment of the Crimean Tatars, which are located in the reserve military units. Kerensky recognized the proposals of the Crimean Tatars to be fair and promised to help by offering a direct appeal to the government.

In June, representatives of the Moscow Executive Committee arrived in Petrograd. However, their question was not resolved, but not because of a conscious unwillingness to support the Crimean Tatar movement, but because of the disorder that prevailed in the highest echelons of power at that time. The head of the Provisional Government, Prince Lvov, after a long idle chatter declared that the issue was not within his competence and sent a delegation to Kerensky, and that was not in the capital. Crimean Tatars decided to take matters into their own hands. June 18 The Muslim Military Committee decided to separate the Crimean Tatars into a separate part. The Provisional Government did not hinder this. The Crimean Tatars, sensing the rapid weakening of the central government, decided to create a national army, to be able to fulfill their political desires.

It is clear that the Crimean Tatars were not going to fight at the front and “defend their homeland from enemies,” as it was said in the Political Program of Tatar Democracy adopted on 22 June. Crimean nationalists were not going to the front line. When at the beginning of July 1917, the commander of the Odessa Military District, General M. I. Ebelov ordered all Crimean Tatars from the reserve regiments stationed in Simferopol (10 officers and 1300 soldiers), joined the 32 reserve regiment, which was sent to the Romanian front, the Crimean Tatars refused to carry out the order. Incited by the supreme mufti, they decided to stay in the rear and went home.

Sevastopol counterintelligence attempted to stop the activities of the Crimean Tatar nationalists. Mufti Chelebiev and the commander of the 1 of the Crimean Tatar battalion, Ensign Shabarov were arrested on suspicion of spying for the Ottoman Empire. However, the case has not been developed. Under pressure from the liberal and nationalist public, the suspects were released several days later. The statehood of Russia during this period was falling apart literally before our eyes. In the muddy waters of turmoil, various agents of the opponents of Russia, national separatists, received almost complete freedom.

The activities of the Crimean nationalists were supported by Ukrainian separatists. In September, the Crimean Tatar delegation was present in Kiev on the so-called. "The Congress of the Peoples of the Russian Republic". Central Rada approved the activities of the Crimean nationalists. The interim government showed complete failure in the fight against nationalists and separatists who tore Russia apart. Only the victory of the Bolsheviks in Petrograd and Moscow gave Russia a chance to survive.

At this time, the Crimean Tatar nationalists stepped up their activities to seize power on the peninsula. October 31 (November 13) the first meeting of the Crimean revolutionary headquarters was held. He was headed by one of the leaders of the Executive Committee, Dzhafet Seydamet (lawyer by training). His assistant and the actual commander in chief was Colonel A. G. Makukhin. This post was offered to Major General P. N. Wrangel, but he had the sense to refuse such an "honor." At the direction of the Secretary General of the Central Rada for Military Affairs, S. V. Petliura, in early November 1917, hundreds of Crimean Mounted Regiments began to arrive in Simferopol, and then a reserve regiment of the Muslim corps. Crimean Tatar nationalists got military units at their disposal.

20-23 November in Simferopol passed the congress of zemstvos and city councils, which created a "temporary supreme body of provincial authority" - the Council of People’s Representatives. The congress, to the disappointment of the Crimean Tatars and Ukrainian nationalists, spoke in favor of preserving the Crimea as part of Russia. The Crimean Tatars responded that the Kurultai (the National Constituent Assembly of the Crimean Tatar people) opened on November 26 in Bakhchisarai on November 1917, in which the majority of delegates spoke in favor of the independence of Crimea. Kurultay worked until December 13 and adopted the “Crimean Tatar Basic Laws”, established the “Crimean Tatar National Government” (directory). Headed the "government" Chelebiev. Seydamet became Minister (Director) for Foreign and Military Affairs.

To fight the Soviet government in Crimea, an alliance of Crimean Tatar, Ukrainian nationalists and White Guards was formed. 19 December 1917, the Crimean Revolutionary Headquarters was transformed into the Headquarters of the Crimean Forces. He led the intensive work on the formation of military units of volunteers. Moreover, the public was the most diverse - from monarchists and Cadets to Social Revolutionaries, Mensheviks and nationalists. The basis of the "Crimean Army" consisted of parts of the former Muslim corps: the 1 and 2 of the Crimean Tatar regiments.

However, the Bolsheviks did not sit idly by either. On December 16, the Military Revolutionary Committee was established in Sevastopol, which took power into its own hands. VRKs were created in other cities as well. On January 4, 1918, the Bolsheviks took power in Feodosia, knocking out the Crimean Tatar formations from there, and on January 6 - in Kerch. On the night of January 8-9, the Red Guard entered Yalta. The Crimean Tatar troops, together with the white officers who joined them, put up stubborn resistance. The city passed from hand to hand several times. The Reds were supported by naval artillery. Only by January 16 did the Bolsheviks gain the upper hand. In this struggle, the Bolsheviks acted as a force that tried to keep Russia in historical borders.

The decisive battle took place in Sevastopol. On the night of 10 on 11 in January, the Crimean Tatar units attempted to seize the serf district. However, they met a strong resistance from the Red Guards. After receiving reinforcements, the Red Guard launched a counter-offensive. January 12 Crimean Tatars were defeated. Sevastopol detachment stormed Bakhchisarai.

At that time, a meeting of the Council of People’s Representatives was taking place in Simferopol. For the most part, the intelligent, party public led endless disputes, decided whether to provide armed resistance to the sailors of Sevastopol. Representatives of Kurultay boastfully stated that the Crimean Tatar troops had been sent to Bakhchisarai and would soon take Sevastopol, “they would easily cope with the Bolshevik gangs who were deprived of any discipline.”

However, the reality mercilessly broke all the rainbow dreams. The Crimean-Tatar formations could not withstand the battle with the sailors of Sevastopol and cowardly fled. The red detachments, without meeting much resistance, began an operation to capture Simferopol. On the night of 13 on 14, January, Simferopol was taken. Chelebiev was arrested and shot. Seidamet was able to escape to Turkey. Colonel Makuhin hid for some time. But then one of the local Crimean Tatars passed it for a small cash reward. The “military leader” of the Crimean Tatars was arrested and shot.

7-10 March 1918 was held in Simferopol in 1-th Founding Congress of Soviets, land and revolutionary committees of the Tauride province, which proclaimed the creation of the Soviet Socialist Republic of Taurida. Thus, the first attempt of the Crimean nationalists to take power in the Crimea failed miserably. The Bolsheviks suppressed the separatists and restored the territorial integrity of Russia. However, the distemper is just still flared up.

German invasion and liquidation of Soviet power. Rise of the 1918 of the Year

18 April 1918, violating the conditions of the Brest Peace, German troops entered the peninsula. Together with them, their Ukrainian servants, the Crimean group of troops under the command of Lieutenant Colonel PF Bolbochan, attacked. 22 April Germans and Ukrainian nationalists occupied Yevpatoria and Simferopol.

At the same time, the Crimean Tatar nationalists rose again. Crimean Tatars welcomed the invaders and helped them in the fight against the Bolsheviks. The uprising covered a significant part of the Mountain Crimea. Crimean nationalists captured Alushta, Old Crimea, Karasubazar and Sudak. The uprising began in Feodosia. Often the Crimean Tatar and Ukrainian nationalists acted jointly.

It must be said that the uprising of the Crimean Tatars largely began not because of military necessity - the Germans themselves would easily have occupied the peninsula, but because of the desire to plunder and take revenge on the “enslavers”. In addition, the German command supported this uprising because of propaganda interests: it was necessary to show the public that the Tatar population itself was active and freed itself from the “Bolshevik (Russian) yoke” on its own. The uprising was to lead to the establishment of the Tatar national government and state, which would be included in the sphere of influence of the German Empire.

The uprising was accompanied by massacres and atrocities against the Bolsheviks and the Christian population. In Sudak, the Crimean separatists seized and brutally murdered the chairman of the local revolutionary committee Suvorov. On April 21, members of the leadership of the Republic of Tavrid headed by the chairman of the SNK Slutsky and the chairman of the Provincial Committee of the RCP (b) Tarvatsky caught up in Novorossiysk. They were tortured for two days, then shot. Ethnic cleansing occurred in a number of villages: Crimean Tatars tortured and killed dozens of ordinary locals from Russians, Greeks and other Christians. The izuvers had some kind of maniacal need to dismember the Christians they caught — cut off the ears, fingers, women's breasts, etc. The massacre was stopped only as a result of the Red Guard counterattack.

As already noted, the fighting strength of the Crimean Tatar units was low. Despite the difficult situation, the Bolsheviks tried to repel the nationalist gangs. In Feodosia, the Red Guards and sailors, with the support of the destroyers Fidonisi, Zvonkoi and Shrill, easily suppressed the revolt of the nationalists. Then the Theodosia Revolutionary Committee sent two detachments to Sudak. Crimean Tatars persuaded to fold weapon without a fight. Those responsible for the murder of Suvorov were punished.

22 April in Yalta from Sevastopol ship arrived with the Red Guards. Sevastopol, together with the local Red Guards, spoke out to meet the enemy. 23 April in 12 versts from Yalta the red squads easily dispersed the Crimean Tatar nationalists. The separatists, who happily slaughtered the civilian population, fled in panic, faced with a tough rebuff. 24 April red destroyer fired on Alushta, the Tatars again did not accept the battle and fled. The destroyer brought weapons. Everybody took up the rifles, including the wounded from the hospitals, all the workers of the city and surrounding area. The atrocities of the Crimean Tatars left no one indifferent. The Red Guards were driving the Crimean Tatar gangs to Simferopol.

However, the Red Guards had to withdraw. They received a retreat order. Sevastopol troops were defeated by the Germans. By 1 May 1918, the German troops occupied the entire Crimean peninsula. Soviet power in the Crimea destroyed.

To be continued ...

Comments

[parus2nik]

The separatists who joyfully slaughtered the civilian population ... so they can’t do anything else ... Get around the corner and live off the others ... Suvorov A.V. how the Christian population was taken out of the independent Crimea at one time .. the whole economy The Crimean Khanate was covered either with a basin or with something else ..

[avt]

Quote: parus2nik

The separatists, who happily slaughtered the civilian population ... so they can do nothing more ... Attack from around the corner and live at the expense of others.

Well, so Kudusov said, just now they wrote on the site - the genes of freedom understand. They are not slaves, they live according to the principle of "free people." They rob your father's yurt, join. It's only Russian "slaves" who burden themselves with some kind of concept of serving the fatherland, etc.

[sarmat-4791]

As far as I remember from history, the Crimean Khanate did not win a single battle, everyone beat it as they wanted. Useless warriors. The only thing that warmed their souls was sudden raids on cities and villages, bloody battles with civilians. Who loves slaveholders.

[cdrt]

Quote: sarmat-4791

As far as I remember from history, the Crimean Khanate did not win a single battle, everyone beat it as they wanted. Useless warriors. The only thing that warmed their souls was sudden raids on cities and villages, bloody battles with civilians. Who loves slaveholders.

You poorly remember or know the story.
The Tatars beat their neighbors for a very long time so that they did not think soap.
In particular, the Crimean campaign against Moscow in 1571 (a year before the Battle of Molodi).
Yellow waters - where the joint Cossack-Tatar troops defeated the Poles and the registered Cossacks.
As an example.

It is certainly touching that it is believed that the Tatars "stuck a knife in the back."
The people have always fought with the Russians. Has been conquered.
He sought to break out of the power of the conquerors.
Is this called sticking a knife in the back?
And what about the head of the one who turns everything normally towards his conquered back?
In fact - the same with Vainakhs.
We conquered them. They HATE us, as conquerors (well, for example, how the Russians hated the Germans in 1941-1944). Of course, some residents will certainly try to move to Russia - here life is richer. But they still hate Russians too.
And of course, they do not consider it shameful to receive money from the authorities - the invaders toss them money, buying the local elite (this is such a perception).
Those who consider it possible to turn their backs on them simply have no reason ...

Well ... completely agree with the assessment of the Crimean Tatars in history.
The parasite people. They lived the whole story ONLY by robbery and the slave trade. The Greeks fished in Crimea, the Armenians traded, the Armenians sowed the Greeks, the Karaites cattle ranching and even the descendants of the Goths. Cities were built - visiting Greeks and Italians. And the Tatars only captured works and sold them to slave traders.

[CIANIT]

With rare exceptions, a low jackal populace. For 200 years, he selectively attacked only the women and children of the southern regions of Russia, Ukraine, the North Caucasus, tormenting these peoples with treacherous raids. Russia has again shown gentleness without cutting these pedophiles sadly. paid for it. And more than once will pay. Such people have no right to mercy. I do not remember the more abominable people.

[BYRY]

But in vain. Today in Simferopol it will be very "fun". The entire Tatar male population, from the villages, gathers in the city. I think this will not end well.

[cdrt]

Quote: BYRY

But in vain. Today in Simferopol it will be very "fun". The entire Tatar male population, from the villages, gathers in the city. I think this will not end well.

The first moment of truth for the Russian Crimea ...
Watching with bated breath

[Terrible ensign]

A few days ago there was a publication about the eviction of Chechens and Ingush in 1944. very informative, especially in the part where this act was based. I hope that the respected Alexander Samsonov will reach the role of the Crimean Tatars during the Second World War with the subsequent re-pipe of this not very numerous people. Thanks to the author. You need to know history.

[gsg955]

I think that Tatar hyenas are always the same. Brains are set up only for robbery.

[Avenich]

Thank you for the article. We are waiting for the continuation. Against the background of the "narcomaydan" and other things, it is very timely.

[Tetros]

Yes, I don’t understand the reasons for their discontent.
So, they lost their independence why? Yes, because for centuries they robbed, sold into slavery and killed neighbors. Hands reached them.
It would seem that you are alive. But no, in 1917 they decided to try their luck in gaining independence, but the times were not the same.
Well, after they distinguished themselves in the Great Patriotic War, they deservedly moved to the steppe from away from European and Turkish passions.

As for the statement of the old senile, my opinion is that it was generally not worth special attention. Well blurted out and blurted out. Here the slaves took and resettled the freedom-loving wherever they wanted, and the freedom-loving sat there quietly until they were allowed to come back. That’s the whole story.

[Kuvabatake]

In vain allowed. It was necessary for less liberalism, understanding, and others like him ...

[I saw]

and that's not for you to decide. People have lived there for centuries, but here it is not clear who ... Today they are with us and shout with us "Glory to Ukraine" and we are glad that the Ukrainian flag is raised there and that the Tatars are in solidarity with the whole country, from Lvov to Kharkov

[Uhe]

After the defeat of the Khazars, part of the surviving white Khazars fled to the Crimea, where they took root and engaged in the old trade - the slave trade, robberies, violence, perpetrated against the surrounding peoples. Hence the similarity between the Crimean Kaganate and the Khazar - two ulcers on the body of the Earth.

[roller2]

It is strange why the author does not mention that Crimea, in some shaggy year, was captured by Russia, and the Tatars are the indigenous population of the Crimea, while the Russians there are newcomers and it is clear that the Tatars did not accept this and wanted to live in their own state, according to their laws , believe in your gods. If there were Russians in the place of the Tatars, then the author would glorify the war of liberation with the invaders, and so the Tatars are separatists.

[Tetros]

Because until the "shaggy year" they were engaged in raids, taking into slavery all those who were not killed. Lands for hundreds of kilometers were empty - everyone was cut out or taken into slavery. But it could not last forever ... Here, as it were, there is little choice - occupation or death.

[Suvorov000]

Well, then you remember about the Greeks, then they will have more rights

[sarmat-4791]

The Greeks didn’t stand at all. Our ancestors are Cimmerians, Scythians, Sarmatians, etc.

[Rider]

Quote: sarmat-4791

Our ancestors are Cimmerians, Scythians, Sarmatians, etc.

forgot about the ready, those "educators"

[smersh70]

Quote: rolik2

If there were Russians in the place of the Tatars, then the author would glorify the war of liberation with the invaders, and so the Tatars are separatists.

And besides, if now the Tatars would support those who advocate the dismemberment of Ukraine, then the author would sing the heroism of those Tatars who fiercely fought against the Germans in the Second World War. Ordinary politics, nothing more ....

[pavictori]

Somehow strange you reason. This is not so much a politician as a logic: in WWII there was a clash of 2 superpowers, ideologies. Humanism and anti-humanism. Or are you of the opinion that the main thing is the sovereignty of the state even when there is a national purge on the territory of this state and various atrocities? The Tatars chose their own path of anti-humanism ... They decided, so to speak, to come off: to cut the population, to rob along with Bandera. The worst thing is that now, with the assistance of certain forces, neo-fascists have come to power. It remains to wait for which side the Tatars will take this time.

[CIANIT]

Yes, the Russians came to the Crimea and made their compassionate laws. But who called the Krymchaks to attack in Russia 100 years before the capture of Crimea and torture the civilian population?

[Legioner_YU]

counted via translit:
How long have Tatars been "indigenous" on the territory of Tavria (Crimea)? Maybe all the Greek architecture, the settlements there are also "Tatar and indigenous"?

[fktrcfylhn61]

You would sign for your fratricides! Which are not much better than these basurman! Read the story, and then insert your five cents! And it would be great to make such people answer for the bazaar!

[Aleksys2]

Quote: rolik2

It is strange why the author does not mention that Crimea, in some shaggy year, was captured by Russia, and the Tatars are the indigenous population of Crimea, while the Russians there are immigrants

Again the costs of Ukrainian education.
Little educational program:

In the VI-V century. BC e., when the Scythians dominated the steppes, immigrants from Hellas founded their trading colonies on the Crimean coast. Panticapaeum, or Bosporus (modern-day Kerch), and Theodosius were built by colonists from the ancient Greek city of Miletus; Chersonesos, located within the limits of present Sevastopol, was built by the Greeks from Heraclea of ​​Pontus.
Until the end of the 3rd century BC e. the state of the Scythians was significantly reduced under the pressure of the Sarmatians. The Scythians were forced to transfer their capital to the Salgir river (near Simferopol), where Naples Scythian arose, aka Neapolis (Greek name).
The Scythian state in Crimea lasted until the second half of the 3rd century. n e. and was destroyed by the Goths, who appeared here around the beginning of the 3rd century. The stay of the Goths in the Crimean steppes did not last long. Under the mighty onslaught of the Huns in the IV century. n e. they were forced to go to the mountainous places of Crimea, where they gradually mixed with the descendants of the Scythians and Tauris. Later in the XII-XV centuries. the descendants of the Goths and other peoples created in the mountainous Crimea the Christian principality of Theodoro. The historical monuments of this period include the so-called cave cities located in the Bakhchisarai district and in the zone of Sevastopol.
After the collapse of the Roman Empire (VI century.) Crimea falls into the sphere of influence of Byzantium. The Byzantine Emperor Justinian I (527 — 565), trying to strengthen his position in Tauris and protect Byzantine possessions on the coast from nomad steppes, turns Khersones into a fortress, erects new fortresses Alusta (Alushta) and Gorzuvity (Gurzuf) on the southern coast of Crimea. On the approaches to Khersones through the mountainous Crimea, he builds fortifications: Suren, Eski-Kermen, Mangup, Inkerman, Chufut-Kale, etc.
From the 9th century The Northern Black Sea region becomes an object of attack from the Russian forces that appeared in Eastern Europe. The rivalry between Russia and Khazaria ended in the defeat of the kaganate in the 960-ies, as a result of which the Khazar possessions on the Taman Peninsula became part of the Old Russian State and the Khazar city of Samkerts on the Caucasian coast of the Kerch Strait became Tmutarakan.
In 988 (according to other sources, in 989), Prince of Kiev of Kiev, having occupied Chersonese (Korsun), received an official baptism here.
As part of the Golden Horde (1223 — 1441)
Ethnically, the majority of the population of the southern coastal cities of Crimea were Greeks, followed by Armenians, Alans and Genoese. The Mongols' economic interest in the development of Genoese trade in Crimea served as a certain guarantee of maintaining their autonomy, although the Golden Horde khans repeatedly made military expeditions against the Italian colonies.

[Aleksys2]

In the summer of 1475, the Turks, who seized the territory of the former Byzantine Empire, landed a large landing in the Crimea and the Sea of ​​Azov, capturing all Genoese fortresses (including Tan on the Don) and Greek cities. In July 1475, Mangup was besieged by the Ottoman Turks. Having burst into the city, the Turks destroyed almost all the inhabitants, plundered and burned Mangup. On the lands of the principality (and also the conquered Genoese colonies of the captain of Gothia), a Turkish censer (district) was created; the Ottomans kept their garrisons and the bureaucracy there and strictly levied taxes. In 1478, the Crimean Khanate became a protectorate of the Ottoman Empire.
Since the end of the 15th century, the Crimean Khanate has been constantly raiding Ukraine, the Russian state, and Poland. The main purpose of the raids is the capture of slaves and their resale in Turkish markets. To counteract them in 1554 Zaporizhzhya Sich was founded.
The Russo-Turkish war of the 1768-74 years, put an end to Ottoman rule and according to the Kuchuk-Kainardzhi peace treaty of the 1774 year, the Ottomans refused claims to the Crimea.
At the end of the war, the heyday of Crimea begins. Powerful fortress cities of Sevastopol (in the 1783 year) and Simferopol (in the 1784 year) are being built. The heyday of industry and commerce begins.

Conclusion: the Tatars came later than all. Your statements confirm that you have, as mentioned earlier, a rectum instead of a head.

[wk-083]

Quote: Aleksys2

Again the costs of Ukrainian education.

Where can he get an education smart as boots?

[Rider]

Quote: rolik2

It is strange why the author does not mention that Crimea, in some shaggy year, was captured by Russia

it's strange why the video decided to intercede for the Krymchaks, because it was the "Ukrainian" people who were robbed and driven into slavery by these "indigenous people"

see genes affect pra pra pra pra pra krymchonok.

[roller2]

Quote: Rider

why the video decided to stand up for Krymchaks

Just because you got it with your comments, if you didn’t notice the comments from Ukraine, it’s meager, which means that the majority of Ukrainians do not support politics in the country, but they don’t agree with you and just don’t want to enter into a discussion.

Quote: ultra

Tatars there are also newcomers! You are not "friends" with history in principle, or what?

So the Russians came to their territory, if you dig a couple of thousand years in that way, mammoths (figuratively) went to the territories of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, and nobody heard about Russians (Ukrainian. Bel.).
All this is relative, and if the Tatars want to live their own traditions, believe in their gods, then it is not for you to forbid them.
And about different expressions there, he did not rob, did not rob, he did not kill, it was a way of life of the Tatars, Russian princes cut and robbed no less Russians than Tatars in their feuds.

[Rider]

Quote: rolik2

Just because you got it with your comments

Well, cane.
gave it, how come.

if you please DO NOT say anything stupid, then they will not get you.

however, this should not bother you now.
soon you and I will begin to indulge in our language, because they want to ban the Russian.

Yes, and the Nazi comrades did not doze off, did not offer to sign up for the militia already?

[vzhzh]

That is, do you think that going for a zipoon is a folk craft?! And you are not afraid to become this zipoon!? They, I think, need free hands!

[ultra]

Quote: rolik2

while the Russians are there

Tatars there are also newcomers! You are not "friends" with history in principle, or what?

[I saw]

and he won’t write, because then the Russians-couples are the real ones, so they write what is pleasant to their beloved ... so to speak to amuse their vanity, at least in words, because it is unlikely to come out with actions.
Ukraine Not Russia, it’s our people who rise, they don’t. So they write nonsense, well, we are not afraid of scribble, let them write

[wk-083]

Quote: antei

Ukraine Not Russia, it’s our people who rise, they don’t. So they write nonsense, well, we are not afraid of scribble, let them write

In Russia, people want stability, and they look at the Maidan as a bunch of bf.i.lov!

[pribolt]

Quote: antei

and he won’t write, because then the Russians-couples are the real ones, so they write what is pleasant to their beloved ... so to speak to amuse their vanity, at least in words, because it is unlikely to come out with actions.
Ukraine Not Russia, it’s our people who rise, they don’t. So they write nonsense, well, we are not afraid of scribble, let them write

Yes, you would be my friend at your leisure or something to read the story, otherwise it seems to you that only in your country the Bandera Nazis are protesting. In Russia, the history of the protest will be even larger Pugachev, Razin and still full, we harness for a long time, but we go quickly and generally Russian riot, how much is invested in one phrase ...
And you, my friend, I’m looking at some strange flag, that it’s you, the toilets have gone somewhere to scrub, but what about your maydanut principles, what are you there for your homeland, you are barking around the corner ...

[I saw]

flags? yes you are my friend dumb! There are programs that allow you to deceive you, so that they would not be tracked, I am writing from Ukraine, from Kharkov, but the program shows you something completely different. So look further at the flags ...

[apollo]

Tatars and Turks are nomads, they’re just aliens, now for the Tatars it’s a good time to muddle and take advantage of the mess, because they sleep and see the work of their ancestors - to hinder, to plunder

[AnaBat]

RUSSIAN CRIMEA!

http://ruscrimea.org/

[I saw]

Where is he Russian?

[Andrey44]

Please do not confuse Tatarstan, Kazan Tatars and Crimean. These, whatever you say, are different nations. This is evidenced by a long history. The Bulgars were the first to inflict a crushing defeat on the 30000th Golden Horde army (their descendants live in Tatarstan); who resisted until the last soldier, there were up to XNUMX, the troops of Ivan the Terrible, while the Khan-Krymchak, called to rule, shamefully fled from the city (this was also in our history); who during the Great Patriotic War distinguished themselves by their courage and courage in defending their homeland (look at least the statistics of the awarded) are Tatars from Tatarstan.
IMHO, of course, the family has its black sheep, but we have very few freaks, so PLEASE DO NOT CONFUSE!
Kazan Tatarstan

[sarmat-4791]

we don’t confuse it, everything is so, I wrote it correctly

[rezident]

It is you who mislead your terrible propaganda. Krymchaks, in general, founded the Kazan Khanate. More precisely, Ulu-Mohamed. After these same Russians, by regular robberies, brought to ruins the former capital of the Khanate, Mr. Bulgar. After the last campaign, led by Fedor Pestry, he had to be abandoned. While the Crimean dynasty of Muscovites sat in Kazan, they usually raked at most do not indulge. Only after the death of the last Crimean khan Safa-Girey, the troops of Ivan IV managed to take the city before and then because of the strife of the local oligarchy of the last wife of the Khan of the Nogay, Syuyun-Bike. The last khan at which the city was taken was Yadiger from the Astrakhan and not the Crimean dynasty. Such are the things.

[sarmat-4791]

as far as I remember from the annals, the Crimean dynasty only in the 16th century sat in Kazan, while Ivan Vasilievich did not begin to visit

[rezident]

There, before him, Ivan III visited quite often, even once they took the city, and the ear-makers also visited, but the Tatars later brought them out. A Crimean go there has always been. Not all Russian annals have been read, or selectively missed.

[Rider]

Quote: rezident

It is you who mislead your terrible propaganda.

Well, look!
and then the bloody merchants were noted.
it turns out that the Tatars were defending themselves, and the Russians fiercely robbed and outraged.

That is why they decided to abolish the term "Tatar-Mongol yoke" because now it is the Russian yoke.
almost 300 years paid tribute
that’s what the bloody regime of the Tatars brought to.

[rezident]

If in fact I missed something. Everything is taken from Russian literature and Russian Wikipedia.

[Rider]

Quote: rezident

If in fact I missed something. Everything is taken from Russian literature and Russian Wikipedia.

however, in your arrangement it looked like a "Tatar-Mongol yoke" on the contrary.

[rezident]

About Tataromongol is a separate issue. It was an unambiguous fact. Is there a fact to refute or add what I wrote earlier?

[Rider]

Quote: rezident

About Tataromongol is a separate issue

but actually why separate?
Can Rusko / Tatar graters of that time be separated from the history of the Golden Horde?
do you think what you write?
it means the campaigns of the Russian princes on the Bulgar, this is a byak, but the Tatars raids on Russia and a 300-year tribute, it’s as if to the side.
and you can’t say anything about Crimean raids.

it seems we have studied different stories.
tie with alternatives.

[rezident]

Yes, I probably agree not separate. Raids and robbery greeted on both sides. And in pre-Mongol and post-Mongol history. For Crimean raids, see the alternative about campaigning on the Volga all sorts of Russian regiments for the same.

[Rider]

Quote: rezident

Yes, I probably agree not separate.

in this case, you will agree that the Crimea is as much Russian land as Tatar.

but I also want to add.
which, unlike the Krymchaks, the Russians not only destroyed but also built, and not only for themselves.

and no country will put up with a predatory state at the borders.

[11111mail.ru]

Quote: Andrey44

of course, the family has its black sheep, but we have very few freaks

But where did the fascists get the "Idel-Ural legion"? Who joined it?

[Rider]

Quote: 11111mail.ru

But where did the fascists get the "Idel-Ural legion"? Who joined it?

probably from there. whence the Russian SS division (29th-grenadier)

the family is really not without a freak.

just different families differ in the percentage of freaks

[Monster_Fat]

Crimean Tatars have always hated and hate Russians and consider them to be occupiers. They are waiting for a convenient hour to get back Crimea and the Novorossiysk Territory. They always have their own government in Turkey to which all Crimean Tatars, even during Soviet times, managed to pay tax. The crimes of the Crimean Tatars are well illustrated in Vergasov's remarkable and terrible book "Crimean Notebooks" http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/vergasov_iz/index.html In addition, there is a little-known book published in Soviet times "Obeying the Laws of the Fatherland. .. ". My grandmother told me that during the Second World War, it was the Crimean Tatars who led the Germans along the abandoned old Georgian road (along the one along which the "Iron Stream" went), bypassing our defensive positions at the Volchi Vorota, which allowed the Germans to unexpectedly descend from the pass and seize part of the city of Novorossiysk. She remembered those terrible moments, when German tanks and motorized infantry descended from the mountains with a black ribbon and spread through the streets of the city, where ordinary life was going on and no one suspected anything. The tanks first of all rushed to the port and there they were met with fire by the standing destroyer and gunners. The ships chopped off the mooring lines and slowly, crawling past the wreck of the "Tashkent", went out into the sea snapping fire, and German bombers dived down on them from above. German shells and bombs stuck into the ships, fires raged on them, in turn, the shells of the ships demolished everything that appeared on the docks and nearby streets, did not allow the Germans to set their guns on direct fire ... It was a terrible and bewitching sight, which is mine grandmother could never forget ...

[fktrcfylhn61]

History tends to repeat itself if forgotten! It would seem that after the war they put things in order, but some had to get these back! And what again, with whom they fought for those and ran! Well, why do enemies come to the helm? Or is it karma?

[Kuvabatake]

It strains that you always have to pay the average person for the mistakes of leaders. And they turn out to be poor and miserable and actively gel ...

[smersh70]

At this moment in Simferopol, a rally of Crimean Tatars against the separation of Crimea from Ukraine begins. Famous Crimean journalist Najie Femi told Azeri Daily that thousands of people are heading to the central square of the city. According to her, some pro-Russian forces are threatening to stage provocations against this rally, and the day before the office of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatars was thrown with paint bags. At the rally, they chant: "Allahu Akbar! Crimea is not Russia! Crimea is Ukraine!" The speakers call on Turkey to immediately intervene in the situation and provide assistance to the Crimean Tatars.
The rally is attended by members of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, as well as the Mufti of the Muslims of Crimea.
At the same time, supporters of the Crimean branch are gathering here, they are lined up right at the entrance to the Crimean parliament. Among them are many young people in sportswear and Cossacks.

Between the two groups is a number of policemen. There are already a lot of people, while it is difficult to determine the number of people.
live shows the channel ATP ... how to download it here ...

[sarmat-4791]

http://onlinetv.simf.com.ua/catalog/index.php?pageid=295 только тормозит правда

[smersh70]

Quote: sarmat-4791

http://onlinetv.simf.com.ua/catalog/index.php?pageid=295 только тормозит правда

I look watch))) and here as

[sarmat-4791]

just typed: watch online channel ATP. Gave links, I chose

[sarmat-4791]

other links too (10 sec shows, 30 sec stands), what’s there?

[smersh70]

Quote: sarmat-4791

other links too (10 sec shows, 30 sec stands), what’s there?

I also have it on http://haqqin.az/news/17744
judging by this, they rebuffed the separatists who want the separation of Crimea from Ukraine. The Tatars are determined, judging by this, decisively, a Russian kid came with a poster - "I am Russian, a citizen of Ukraine"
pushed aside those who were with St. George ribbons and seem to have removed the Russian flag, which was hanged yesterday .... quality is bad video

[sarmat-4791]

I turned it off, then on the Internet I’ll look

[poquello]

Quote: smersh70

Quote: sarmat-4791

other links too (10 sec shows, 30 sec stands), what’s there?

I also have it on http://haqqin.az/news/17744
judging by this, they rebuffed the separatists who want the separation of Crimea from Ukraine. The Tatars are determined, judging by this, decisively, a Russian kid came with a poster - "I am Russian, a citizen of Ukraine"
pushed aside those who were with St. George ribbons and seem to have removed the Russian flag, which was hanged yesterday .... quality is bad video

from 2 to 5 thousand Tatars look writes now there is a brawl

[apollo]

Well, of course, how is it necessary to call the British for justice even without Turkey, come help they say, the Turks and so lick at Crimea

[vkrav]

What do you want from the Tatars? Eastern traditional mentality - weak pressure, strong licking.

[smersh70]

Quote: vkrav

Eastern traditional mentality - weak crush, strong lick.

and after how many grams there you came to this conclusion ......

[terrible]

and after how many grams there did you come to this conclusion)))))))))) how much does the bullet weigh?

[sarmat-4791]

Smersh70 and formidable enough to bark, it does not suit both

[wk-083]

Quote: vkrav

What do you want from the Tatars? Eastern traditional mentality - weak pressure, strong licking.

Now they’ll be licking the Maidan’s point, they’re afraid of Putin because they’ll have to take it on the cheek!

[terrible]

banderlog gave the Crimeans carte blanche. war is inevitable! tough, with ethnic cleansing.

[wk-083]

So the Russians will cleanse Crimea from all sorts of parasites.

[Black]

They did not finish it in due time .... Now it is profitable for them to be in lying Ukraine. Who would doubt it!

[Idunavs]

I don’t know what the Tatars in the Crimea are thinking, or do they think that they will not make "real" Ukrainians out of them !?

[smersh70]

Quote: Idunawa

I don’t know what the Tatars in the Crimea are thinking, or do they think that they will not make "real" Ukrainians out of them !?

historically, Ukrainians have always been attracted to good relations with the Turkic world! If you support the version of Murad Aji, then in the ethnogenesis of Ukrainians, the lion's share is the Turkic past. . Basically, Brunet Ukrainians, unlike other Slavs. Yes, and the site here from the Ukrainians against them you will not hear offensive attacks. What can not be said from other visitors from Russia. So everything will be fine there. Here and Russia in the person of Matvienko expressed her attitude, the whole internal business of Ukraine ....

[ultra]

Quote: smersh70

historically, Ukrainians have always been attracted to good relations with the Turkic world!

This is pearl !!!! They invented themselves or suggested who?

[smersh70]

Quote: ultra

This is pearl !!!! They invented themselves or suggested who?

But ancient Kiev really had nothing to do with either the Varangians who seized the built city, much less the Slavs. Kiev is a page of the Turkic history, which was the history of Russia, it was written equally in runes and in "initial letters".
The first Russian chroniclers knew this very well, so the late rulers so carefully and extorted the chronicles.
In the XNUMXth century, the people of Kiev spoke "miraculous mov", their native language, for they were Kipchak Turks. Kiev - translated from the Turkic "city of the son-in-law". The settlement of the XNUMXth century, at first it was called Bashtau. Then it became a customs city on the way "from the Varangians to the Greeks", which passed through the territory of the Kaganate Ukraine *. The kagan ruled there.
* However, it is possible that the name of the city still comes from "kyya" or "kiya". In the Turkic language - again, only in Turkic! - this word has the meaning "limiting", "located on the border". Perhaps this word is even more accurate for the name of the city, which from the V century stood on the river and carried border, customs functions. It was the northern gateway to the land of the Turks - Desht-i-Kipchak, one of the kaganates of which was called "Ukraine", which translated from Turkic means "extreme", "located at the edge". It is curious that the toponym "Kiy" occurs quite often. For example, this was the name of the city on the border of Khazaria and Great Bulgaria, it also carried border functions, now there is the village of Kiev. And Kiy - an island in the White Sea, on the way to the Solovetsky Monastery? And it has the same borderline functions. The monastery, as you know, was built by the Turks.
The rulers of the neighboring Khaganates - Crash, Great Bulgaria, Khazaria, Volga Bulgaria, had the exact same title. Together they, these Kaganates, made up the country, which was called DEST-I-KIPCHAK (Steppe Kipchakov, or Polovtsian Field). And it was not forgotten.
Not so long ago, independent Ukraine celebrated the 1500th anniversary of the founding of Kiev. Thank God - remembered the truth! Pprayers of Kievan Rus sounded about the radio, and in them the refrain - the words: "Khoday aldynda beten adam acyk bulsun". Unfortunately, then some wise guy began to explain the prayer and its Church Slavonic language ... Holy simplicity!
Any Turkic boy will translate this "ancient Slavic" text without explanation: Every person must appear before God with an open soul. And there are no other translations here. In Kievan Rus, they really prayed in the Turkic language, looking at the sky to the east. Türkic runic inscriptions on the walls of the most ancient temples in Kiev and all of Ukraine have also survived, as have ancient prayers ... The Ukrainians have preserved them.

[ultra]

Quote: smersh70

Kiev is a page of Turkic history,

Quote: smersh70

The prayers of Kievan Rus sounded on the radio, and in them the refrain was the words: "Khoday aldynda beten adam acyk bulsun". Unfortunately, then some clever guy began to explain the prayer and its Church Slavonic language ... Holy simplicity!

DAAAA !!!! Looks like the grassy grass is growing today in Azerbaijan! Or do you indulge in fungi?

[smersh70]

Quote: ultra

Looks like grassy growing

he doesn’t live with us, but in the center of Moscow so all questions to Sabyanin

[Rider]

this is a high-quality fly agaric.

however, the textbooks on ancient Ukrainians, and you published what you quoted in one printing house, were published.

[Aleksys2]

Quote: smersh70

an appeal for the creation of Kievan Rus was announced in ancient Turkic.

What is this appeal ?? Enlighten us "poor".

[smersh70]

Quote: Aleksys2

What is this appeal ?? Enlighten us "poor".

Both read Murad Aji! Everything is there, and if you translate the text, a bottle from me

[Aleksys2]

Quote: smersh70

Both read Murad Aji! Everything is there

This is the author of a series of popular books in the folk history genre, which sets out the original hypothesis about the Turkic "Great Migration of Peoples", which, according to the author, was born in Altai, the historical homeland of the ancient Turks.

On the site of present-day Russia, there was the most powerful state in the world of the steppes Desht-i-Kipchak. The steppes liberated the peoples of Europe from submission to Rome, introduced them to iron processing technologies, cutlery, a Christmas tree, taught to build temples and monasteries, built hundreds of cities and roads in Europe. According to Adzhiev, the Huns, Saxons, Burgundians, Alemans and other peoples were Türks, who were called differently in different sources. Chinese and Greco-Roman civilizations became dependent on the Turkic khans, the Roman Empire, Byzantium, Persia, and China paid tribute to the steppes. In addition, the steppes gave the Europeans a monotheistic religion. According to Adzhiev, it was Tengrianism, which later turned into Christianity in Europe, and in India into a form of Buddhism, Mahayana. The Türkic language became the European language of business communication and retained this function until the XV-XVI centuries. The people of the steppes inhabited territories from Yakutia to the Alps, and possibly to the Atlantic. Many of the European and Asian peoples, such as Bulgarians, Hungarians, Koreans, Serbs, Russians, Cossacks, Ukrainians, British, French and others, according to Adzhiev, are descendants of the Turkic-steppes, dissolved among other peoples and forgetting their roots. The state of the steppes Desht-i-Kipchak lasted until the XVIII century and died after the campaigns of Peter I, who conquered the free Cossack lands.

Opensource projects ... As they say, "no comment" ...

[ultra]

Quote: smersh70

Both read Murad Aji

Is this the one who writes that everything on the planet from the Turks happened? We have our own, says that everything is from the Slavs!

[smersh70]

Quote: ultra

We have our own, says that everything is from the Slavs!

right now some comrades from one republic will come up, they will show both the Turks and the Slavs where the crayfish hibernate the whole world belongs only to them

[sarmat-4791]

I will not argue now, it is necessary to read, smersh70 be kind, throw a reference to the book (or books). I read, then we discuss

[smersh70]

Quote: sarmat-4791

Be kind, throw a reference to the book (or books). I read, then we discuss

he has a whole site http://www.adji.ru everything is there ...

[Clegg]

Quote: smersh70

right now, some comrades from one republic will come up, they will show both the Turks and the Slavs

Armenians or Jews?))))))

[smersh70]

Quote: Clegg

Armenians or Jews?))))))

hold me))) here you are the frame))))

[apollo]

yes, I see that you still have one place and it hurts in the back

[smersh70]

Quote: apollo

one place hurts in the back

shut your mouth, or right now your mouth will hurt too ...

[apollo]

what really hurts eyes?

[apollo]

By the way, you have to tear off the marshal epaulettes of the Russian army from you, a lot of honor, pure nonsense, the Turks in epaulettes of the Russian army ... or you are rooted, horseradish will understand you, a bunch has come to pass ... you need to drive in three skins ...

[apollo]

and here the contra breaks in, killed

[Tron]

Quote: smersh70

Both read Murad Aji!

I have not read it and I do not want to read it. I remember Kipling since childhood. I will cite just one famous quote from his work. I only ask that you replace the word "man" with "Russian" (these are all those people who are united by a common idea, mentality, worldview), and imagine that this is an appeal to the enemies of the Russian people.

MAULIE (appearing) - I'm here! (He runs out to the center, holding a Red flower in his hands) - Listen, you! All this dog barking is useless! You have told me so many times that I am a man, that I myself felt the truth of your words. Now I will call you not brothers, but dogs, as a person should. It’s not for you to say what you want, but what you don’t want - it's my business!
And so that you could better see that I am a man, I brought here a Red Flower! (the pack cowardly howled and backed away). “Now I see that you are dogs ... But I still need to pay the debt.” (grabs Sher Khan by the brush on his chin). - Get up, dog! Get up when a person speaks, not that I will tan your skin.
This slaughterhouse said that he would kill me on the Council because he did not manage to kill me in childhood. Like this! That's how we beat a dog when we become human! Wiggle only with a mustache, Lame, and I will hammer a red flower in your throat! (lets go of Sher Khan) - Now, go away, a burning cat, but remember: the next time I come to the rock of the Council, I will come with the skin of Sher Khan on my head!

Oh! Do not wake a sleeping Russian, stsuuki.

[apollo]

friends read Azerbaijani history books, learn a lot of new things ...

[wk-083]

Quote: smersh70

historically, Ukrainians have always been drawn to good relations with the Turkic world

Especially at a time when the Cossacks wrote a letter to the Sultan!

[Rider]

Quote: Idunawa

I don’t know what the Tatars in the Crimea are thinking, or do they think that they will not make "real" Ukrainians out of them !?

Yes, none of them will do anything.
Natsik Natsik eyes will not peck.

besides they have a common enemy.

(guess who)

[sarmat-4791]

I’m trying to look at the http://haqqin.az rally near the building of the Armed Forces of Crimea. The video is stuck - that’s okay (mixed flags of the UR, RF and Tatar). Photos and comments achieve: a)Protesters called to stay until 15 p.m. and not to let deputies into the parliament building. Who called, why hinder? b) Speakers call on Turkey to immediately intervene in the situation and provide assistance to the Crimean Tatars. Oh how !!! c) The bottom photo is generally summer (jokers, damn it) d)Information has spread on social networks that Russian special services are trying to eliminate the head of the Crimean Tatar Mejlis Refat Chubarov. They have nothing to do in order to hunt for Chufarov, tea is not Judas Trotsky. Well, what kind of information, you need to think with your head. They piled everything in a heap.

[sarmat-4791]

d) At the same time, it is reported that the police left the rally without explanation. . Yes, on the spot law enforcement. Who is reporting there, what kind of d ... l (I apologize in advance)

[smersh70]

Quote: sarmat-4791

then the police left the rally without explanation

one part stood around the perimeter, so she left .... and the second part, as she stood at the door, still stands ....

[poquello]

http://haqqin.az/news/17744
it normally shows me, two crowds, sometimes fighting, now it seems to have been divided. Interview with the Tatar - Crimea Tatar land, we are the owners. These are they, yelling allah akbar, Crimea-Ukraine.
Female dogs are under-depressed.

[sarmat-4791]

and below are text messages - they generally kill the brain, it feels like they’ll come up with something and write without any verification. I am waiting for something like this: two columns are flying to the rally - from Mars on green plates with Turkish flags, from Jupiter to turquoise with Russian flags. What kind of broadcast? Mediocrity.

[smersh70]

Quote: sarmat-4791

ado. They piled everything in a heap.

better info from different sources))))) they gave info there that Yanukovych is in Russia. You won’t read it in other places.

Quote: sarmat-4791

Who called, why hinder?

but then it occurred to Konstantinov to convene a session and blurt out something like independence. right now people need to be calmed down, not to escalate passions, and he is building up a session of the Stepanakert Regional Council in 88. Then I accepted and what came of it, I don’t need to remind .. ..

[poquello]

Quote: smersh70

better info from different sources))))) they gave info there that Yanukovych is in Russia. You won’t read it in other places.

Quote: sarmat-4791

Who called, why hinder?

but then it occurred to Konstantinov to convene a session and blurt out something like independence. right now people need to be calmed down, not to escalate passions, and he is building up a session of the Stepanakert Regional Council in 88. Then I accepted and what came of it, I don’t need to remind .. ..

how to calm - such as Bendera, our friends or the gang of Kiev is legitimate.
And do not drive about sources -

President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych has left the country and is preparing to fly from Russia to one of the Asian states,

http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/2/26/674515.html

[terrible]

you must go there and wet the Krymchaks and Banderlog! WAR!

[smersh70]

Quote: poquello

like Bendera, our friends or the gang of Kiev is legitimate.

this is not our country ... let them decide ... no one creeps into our countries with you. And if you want to annoy Bandera, there are many ways)))) remember the words of Mordyukova

[sarmat-4791]

There is no quorum, it will probably be tomorrow, although the leaders are calling on the voice of reason to prevent bloodshed. If only the provocateurs would not work

[poquello]

Quote: smersh70

Quote: poquello

like Bendera, our friends or the gang of Kiev is legitimate.

this is not our country ... let them decide for themselves ..no one climbs into our countries.....

climbed, climb and will climb
how they climbed into the USSR and participated very much in its collapse, how they climbed to Ukraine and now there is a product of their efforts

[apollo]

it’s a pity that Yanukovych’s gut is thin, the leaders of the Natsik’s to the wall, then everyone would have quieted down, not a single infection would have made a sound

[Rider]

Quote: smersh70

this is not our country ... let them decide ... no one climbs into our countries with you.

Oh really ?!
and what did the representatives of "civilized mankind" do on the Maidan?
were cookies really handed out?

but you know, in one you are right, the COUNTRY is really not ours, but the land, just the same - yes.

the truth is that we don’t pretend to be all that is independent;

[smersh70]

Well, dear minusviks, Konstantinov backed up))) the session did not take place))) How many Crimean Tatars do not cry, and they have serious power there.

[Clegg]

Why do Crimean Tatars support Ukrainians?

They do not like Russians (there are reasons) and if the Russians get the Crimea, they will face total Russification. As part of Ukraine, they have a chance to survive as a nation, they are not oppressed there.

[vlum]

how can oppress a nomad or a desert inhabitant ???

No one oppresses the Bedouins in Africa either - let them die without food and without water.

[Rider]

Quote: Clegg

They do not like Russians (there are reasons) and if the Russians get the Crimea, they will face total Russification.

and it is possible in more detail in what "total Russification" consists? now we see the reverse process TOTAL DE RUSSIFICATION.
It is expressed in the exclusion of the Russian language from the state, from the educational process, they even try to ban it from speaking.

so what will be the "Russification"?

and it's really scary to ask. what did the Russians do so before the Krymchaks?

Really because they did not allow them to engage in their favorite craft - robbery?

well then it’s clear - barbarians.

[Ermek]

Oh, oh, favorite craft.
And with what pride the chest bulges out at the mention of "their" artisans "... the Russians and Normans jointly made a campaign with the aim of plundering France, Spain, Maghreb, Byzantium ..."
Yes, and the knives in the back of the Russian people, planted by the Slavic brothers Ukrainians both in quantity and quality are much larger and better - here you have the SS divisions, the UPA and other abbreviations. Krymchaks - yes then children compared to them. But today’s Maidan is finally a knife for all knives, it’s time to throw an atomic bonbon to Kiev. The author, of course, does not like the Natsik-Khokhlov, but even in comparison with them the non-Slavs are much worse. Just like the racists of Amer, for whom the redskins are worse than blacks.
Is it time for the site administration to stop this Great Russian chauvinism towards Ukrainians and racism towards non-Slavs. These isms have nothing to do with freedom of expression, freedom of speech, etc.
This site is mainly occupied by like-minded people, Soviet people. Almost all the commies, Komsomol members, and almost all Russian people, to whom I include myself. Then to whom are these articles of the Tambov wolves addressed - me, my brother the Turki Krymchak (the Kazakhs have the epic "40 Crimean Batyrs), the Ukrainian brothers (Maidan - square, gett - leave, rukh - spirit). Why - to embroil?
The story of eviction, of war, hatred - but we all know that. But in Soviet times, such conversations were categorically prohibited as inciting hatred. Even Suvorov’s glorious campaigns in Poland were silent, realizing that this was not the main thing. And this, as I understand it now, was not a suppression of history, not a distortion or falsification of it, but a very wise decision. Why am I calling you.

[Rider]

Quote: Ermek

Oh, oh, favorite craft.

Well then, give examples of their "contribution to world culture" or craft.

or maybe just type in Google "Crimean Khanate" and what it was doing.

and as for internationalism, I am not alien to this feeling either.
only then others should not leave him.

and not shouting "matskal get da maskvy" and "Crimea is a Tatar land"

something you do not rush to condemn the Nazis who captured Kiev.
hold your fighting fervor for true enemies.

[smersh70]

Quote: Ermek

maidan - square, get - go away, ruh - spirit).

It seems Aji was right))) did not think about it))) Thank you)) I will now take a closer look every time))))

[Gecko]

For information, in Tatarstan, all Russians are forced to learn Tatar from a kindergarten, and you say damn Russification ... I know by hearsay ...

[vlum]

But interesting ... The night is a long, windy winter. Until the morning, but then all day you will not insist.

As soon as the Verkhovna Rada was thrown empty and without proper protection on a tipping day, they immediately ran into the Maydanut and let's push the buttons on the voting machines. For several days, the plays have been playing to the tune of the Pied Piper.

It would be necessary not just to leave posts at night, but to become a full-fledged camp, and with the proper amount of manpower. And put patrols around the circle, so that they would not be taken by surprise. We saw that a crowd of several thousand foreheads did not run into the Tatars at all for half an hour or an hour, and if they started the race from afar ...

[poquello]

Quote: vlum

But interesting ... The night is a long, windy winter. Until the morning, but then all day you will not insist.

As soon as the Verkhovna Rada was thrown empty and without proper protection on a tipping day, they immediately ran into the Maydanut and let's push the buttons on the voting machines. For several days, the plays have been playing to the tune of the Pied Piper.

It would be necessary not just to leave posts at night, but to become a full-fledged camp, and with the proper amount of manpower. And put patrols around the circle, so that they would not be taken by surprise. We saw that a crowd of several thousand foreheads did not run into the Tatars at all for half an hour or an hour, and if they started the race from afar ...

meetings should be held on the destroyer at sea, let them become around

[kus mus]

In the 17th year, when the Bolsheviks captured the imperial family in Livadia, only the ulcers of the Tatar imperial gender tried to free them with battle. They could not only because the destroyer came to the aid of Sevastopol with the sailors and guns destroyed and scattered the squadron. 60 thousand Russian officers surrendered to the Frunze civilian in Crimea under his parole with guarantees, despite this, they were all ruthlessly shot, are the Tatars to blame?

[Rider]

What did you mean by that?

should it somehow rehabilitate their numerous betrayals?

[rezident]

They could not betray even if they wanted to. They were conquered by the Russian empire under Catherine II and had every right to fight for their freedom on one side or another.

[Rider]

Quote: rezident

They could not betray even if they wanted to.

Well, how can I tell you.
in principle, you are right.
BUT
Russians had the same right to cut them along the axis of the cart wheel, as they often did to us.
however, they did not.
but they did just the opposite.
Well, they built, taught, treated, gave ABSOLUTELY EQUAL RIGHTS, moreover, there were quotas for training and service in the highest authorities for Krymchaks.

atrocities shorter.

so, IF the Krymchaks would NOT have accepted all this, for example, they rejected and even entered into a confrontation.
then I would agree with you.
HOWEVER, they used everything provided, (and how), and when the convenient moment came, almost in full force they went over to our enemies.

if it’s not a betrayal, then what?

can you give some other term.

[rezident]

Well, why not cut very well coped. The massacre of Nogai Suvorov 1 million cut another 500 thousand emigrated to Turkey. The massacre of the Circassians Colonel Evdokimov. And about what equal rights are the same with serfs? In the Russian Empire there was one God-bearing people and the rest paid an additional tax which they took from foreigners. Quotas for training and service in the highest authorities? Perhaps, but for this it was usually necessary to adopt Orthodoxy. In the first generation, they were called crosses and not Russians not theirs loved. Then as you have to

[Rider]

Quote: rezident

The massacre of Nogai Suvorov 1 million cut another 500 thousand emigrated to Turkey. The massacre of the Circassians Colonel Evdokimov.

but where can I read more about this? otherwise TAAAAK digits, but I’m not at the rate.
Well, about quotas, etc., but what did you miss the Soviet period 7
there that also forced the tax on faith to pay?

and also about the Circassians, and you don’t know that the same immigrants then tearfully asked their genocides (well, in general those who genocide them, that is, the Russian Tsar) tearfully let them return to their homeland?
somehow does not fit with the "cut" logic
it’s the same as asking the Jews to return to Maidanek and Buchenwald.

Do not forget about the source of the numbers.

[Aleksys2]

Quote: kus mus

In the 17 year, when the Bolsheviks captured the imperial family in Livadia, only the ulcers of the Tatar imperial gender tried to free them with battle.

Oh my god, what knowledge !!! And the Bolsheviks arrested Nicholas in Livadia, and the Lancers of the Tatar imperial regiment ...
Baby, what are you smoking there?
For your information:

1. In the guard there were two guards of the Lancers of Ulan:
Life Guards Ulansky Her Majesty the Sovereign Empress Alexandra Fedorovna regiment;
His Majesty's Life Guards Ulansky Regiment.
2. There was the Tatar 15 Uhlan Regiment - formed on July 16 1891 in Plock (the city is located on the Vistula River about 100 km northwest of Warsaw) as the 47 Dragoon Tatar Regiment from 6 squadrons allocated from one of Moscow and Pskov, Novorossiysk, Novotroitsk-Yekaterinoslavsky, Kargopolsky and Glukhovsky dragoon regiments.
From December 6 to 1907 - 15-th Lancers of the Tatar Regiment
3. When in early July 1917, the commander of the Odessa Military District, General M.I. Ebelov ordered all Crimean Tatars from the reserve regiments located in Simferopol (10 officers and 1300 soldiers) to add the Crimean Crimean Tatars to the 32 reserve regiment. Tatars refused to carry out the order. Encouraged by the supreme mufti, they decided to stay in the rear and went home.
4. From 9 (22) March to 1 (14) August 1917, Nicholas II, his wife and children lived under arrest in Alexander Palace of Tsarskoye Selo (Tsarskoye Selo - one of the suburbs of St. Petersburg). In view of the strengthening of the revolutionary movement and anarchy in Petrograd, the Provisional Government, fearing for the life of prisoners, decided to transfer them deep into Russia, in Tobolsk. On 1 (14) on August 1917, at 6 hours, 10 minutes, the line-up with members of the imperial family and servants under the signboard “Japanese Red Cross Mission” set off from Tsarskoye Selo (from the Aleksandrovskaya railway station). On August 4 (17) the train arrived in Tyumen, then the arrested were transported along the river to Tobolsk.

You are this, tie up this nastiness to smoke, and you look and you will fall into a fool ...

[bomg.77]

Kadyrov has now given an interview

We are seriously worried about the situation in Ukraine. We receive information that compatriots living in this country have serious problems with the safety of business and personal safety. We never claimed to be alien, but we will protect our own. It should be clearly understood that we will not offend Chechens and other Russians, wherever they are. According to the plans of the West, a coup d'etat took place in Ukraine. Gangsters and terrorists seized power. The employees of the Golden Eagle who have honestly fulfilled their duty are brought to their knees. In Crimea, they are trying to play the Tatar card. We are fraternal peoples with Ukrainians, and we cannot silently observe the tragedy of this people. If necessary, we will come to the rescue and help rise from our knees to those who are humiliated and offended by terrorists fed by the West. # Kadyrov # Russia # Chechnya # Ukraine # Crimea # Chechens # Golden eagle

[bomg.77]

Klitschko urges Crimeans not to believe that radicals nationalists are coming to them))) and that the Tatars are not radicals nationalists? Or banderlogs?

[Asan Ata]

Here is such a thought.
I recalled the history of Singapore's formation, and something suggested, but what the hell is not joking? Maybe this is a chance for Crimeans, everyone, and Russians, and Ukrainians, and Tatars? Crimean sovereignty, with a pro-Russian political, military and economic orientation, with the creation of an offshore, with the presence of Incam, such as the military base of Russia, the Chinese built a giant port for citizens, resorts, sanatoriums, and all this for 2.5 million people - this is heaven , not to mention the climate. Here, in addition to the abdomen, there is something to fight for. And the Tatars need to explain their benefits, as Crimeans: immediately converted into allies. And if such a project succeeds, Russia will have its own offshore, its Crimea, its own Black Sea.
How is a little thought? It remains the case for small, rest and separate. You don’t have to run far for recognition - Russia is right there. Well, we, Kazakhs, will not take long to wait.

[rezident]

Offshore is a good thing. How much money will go past the treasury there.

[RSA]

Nu iesli krim sdadite, nu eta vapsie budiet, imieju radniu s ruskai starani v Semferopali, eta budet parazenija, tembole sto tam baza i liudi paderzivajut Rasiju, balsinstvo.

[Nurlangali]

Any Turkic boy will translate this "ancient Slavic" text without explanation: Every person must appear before God with an open soul. And there are no other translations here.
As a Turkic boy, I answer that not with an "open mind", but with an open face

[apollo]

he studied poorly ...

[Market]

At a press conference during the RF-EU summit, Putin said: “What is it like to be a“ pure Russian ”in the modern world without any admixture? We know, they say: every Russian, if “rubbed” as it should, the Tatar will appear there.
___________
2 Asan Ata, I would not speak for all the Kazakhs, while Zhirinovsky would continue to talk about the Central Asian Federal District, and the Russian government would allow him. Rather, the Kazakhs will support the Ukrainians if Zhirinovsky and Limonov do not stop their pro-imperialist slogans. Annoying ... and not just me.

[Asan Ata]

Zhirik and Lemon are jesters, as befits the king. At this time, the former customs thief Gani Kasymov took on this role with honor. Well, do you believe in the ravings of the Ghanim? And we will always be together with Russia until Eurasia bursts and the sea divides us. Why does the idea of ​​an autonomous Crimea ignite me? This is a new dimension. It is clear that Russia will not annex Crimea, rather Crimea will become a pre-Dniester-Singapore-shaped project. And in this case it will be a new degree of freedom, which will allow us to reveal more trade opportunities for Russia, and with it, as we correctly defined our role, Solzhenitsyn, Russia's underbelly (sounds vile, but aptly). Crimea may become for Russia, and Ukraine, the new Turkey, Cyprus and Singapore combined. Isn't it cool?