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Russia in Ukraine and in world politics: “Stalin’s bazaar”

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Russia in Ukraine and in world politics: “Stalin’s bazaar”The most common diagnosis made by Russian politics in Ukraine these days is the word “defeat”. By and large, Moscow is accused of the fact that she - the only one of the interested parties - did not take part in the Kiev bacchanalia at all: she didn’t take any side, she didn’t send to the Maidan tanksnor diplomats with cookies.


However, we last time stopped on the fact that Moscow just has a quite distinct position on the Ukrainian question and consistently oppresses a completely distinct line. It’s just that this position is not what it would be convenient to attribute to Russia to other interested parties, including the internal “fifth column” of frantic “swamp” and frantic patriots.

The position, therefore, is available, and the result (the result of it?) Is known. The ratio of one or the other - whether the lesion?

Let's deal.

Any power realizes its global policy, maneuvering in three dimensions. These planes here have: its own interests, its own capabilities and objective third-party status.

What do we need

In principle, in the context of Eurasian integration as a priority project of Putin's attitude to Ukraine, apparently by default. And for some time now, Putin has not considered it necessary at all to mask him: “one people,” “the cradle of Russian civilization,” “someday Russia and Ukraine will surely meet.”

It is also useful to recall that in the current version, the philosophy of Eurasian integration does not imply either the joining of any of the fragments of the USSR to Russia, nor even forcing anyone to join the Union. Strictly contrary: at the heart of the Eurasian integration - the sovereign decisions of sovereign states, adopted solely in their own interests. Yes, Moscow does not hesitate to stimulate positive sovereign decisions and in every possible way facilitate their implementation, but without coercion. Ukraine is no exception.

All the tactical moves of Moscow - only in line with this logic.

And in the wake of this same logic, Moscow is generally on the drum, as is the name of the Ukrainian president and what kind of political regime is there - although, of course, today's “revolutionaries” should not be so stubbornly trying to ensure that attitude to their regime is still in Competence’s remit. Shoigu.

What should we consider

We, as you know, are not alone in the universe. Russia as a sovereign state and even as a nuclear superpower is integrated in the existing world order. This world order is imperfect, it is in a deep crisis, and indeed we don’t like it, but it exists.

Within this world order, a specific Ukraine is a sovereign state - and this fact is officially recognized by the Russian Federation. And any act of another sovereign state with respect to Ukraine (even if it is and the Russian Federation) are regulated by international law.

Moreover, Russia is the very sovereign state, one of the few in the modern turbulent world, which insists on the priority of the norms of international law in resolving conflict issues, on respect for the sovereignty of any state, even if the local regime does not like Putin or Obama.

This principle is as follows.

And it would be strange to a great power to proclaim some principles, and practically guided by others, especially for themselves secretly invented.

Yes, I repeat, the current model of world order is flawed and unfair. Not least the fact that some (we will not point the finger) consider themselves "more equal than others" and allow themselves not to reckon with any rules of any international law, any rules of any morality - and we see this in Kiev real time.

We understand that this is an aggressive arrogance is based solely on the "law of the strongest." And that force must find another force.

We see that for almost fifteen years the “other force”, that is, in this case Russia, has gradually accustomed its partners, fucked up by impunity, to a constructive dialogue. But - it still happens in the world order, where one superpower dominates and sets the rules: we just “in some places” sometimes force it, reluctantly and irritably, to recognize ourselves as a player, and not as terpily. I repeat: this all happens in a world that our Western partners consider to be their property — and in fact they are not so far from the truth. Alas.

What we can

Our real possibilities - political, economic, military, ideological - as of today are much more limited, local than the capabilities of competitors. Yes, to varying degrees - but the balance is still not in our favor.

But mainly it is not so much the economic indicators or the combat readiness of the Armed Forces that bind us hand and foot that impart political characteristics of the Russian state and Russian society.

We do not have a single applied understanding - neither in society nor, therefore, in power - the tasks of Eurasian integration in particular, and the development strategy of the country in general.

But we have a “fifth column” - both in society and, therefore, in power - the size of a good military district.

We, therefore, do not have a coherent, internally consistent ideological project - at least (and even first of all!) At the level of images and terms - to which both citizens of the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation would be drawn without prodding. The imperatives of “mutual benefit” and “welfare” work well in the first step of integration - in the step of the Customs Union. But within the framework of tough global ideological competition, they are secondary, they are just a copy, which by definition is inferior to the Western original.

Our propaganda, therefore, has nothing to propagandize - except for the truly triumphal Olympiad and, in our case, the historical unity of the fate of Russia and Ukraine. But this, as rightly pointed out by Comrade. Marakhovsky is clearly not enough not just to confront the enemy propaganda machine, but at least for a formal presence in the Ukrainian information field. Why, there is an information field - in our country, both in Ukraine and in the Russian Federation, generations have grown up that sincerely consider each other as “foreigners”.

Any of you, dear readers, will complement this short list of their own considerations.

And any of you can independently assess what is irresistible given from this list, and what is just a political task that has not been solved so far.

And any of you can come to the conclusion that there is no doom here - everything is in our hands and in our will. Including - in the hands and will of the people of Ukraine.

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It should be noted that in these circumstances - both subjective and objective - the policy of Moscow does not look luser at all. Especially if it does not evaluate the short-term emotions, even very strong, but at a distance. And knowing that the distance has not yet passed, nothing has been completed.

Yes, Moscow in the Ukrainian glade "plays black", and its competitors - "play white". However, the game did not start yesterday, and each move somehow changes the situation - regardless of the order. As the “euromaidan” was a response to the breakdown of the “euro-association”, the forthcoming response of the Kremlin will inevitably set a new format.

In the classics of world politics, such a tactic — bending your line, using even your weaknesses and even the strength of your competitors — is called the “Stalinist bazaar”.

And the "Stalin Bazaar" requires patience and accuracy. And the result is considered to be on May 45.
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  1. crbvbyjr
    crbvbyjr 26 February 2014 09: 24
    +12
    AND IT WOULD BE BECOME FOR A GREAT POWER TO PROMOTE ONE PRINCIPLES AND TO ADHERE TO OTHERS. SO LI. Is strange for any power to lay down ... everything else on its geopolitical interests ... can always be justified
    1. Sandov
      Sandov 26 February 2014 14: 48
      +29
      Ukraine was raped by banderlog under the cheers of these women Ashton and Nuland. As a result - a miscarriage in the form of Khokhlostan, the heroes of "The Golden Eagle" are trampled by banderlog. So let hatred devour the Westerners of its carriers. If East and South do not separate from Khokhlostan, then in grief they will drag out a miserable existence on their knees, as already in Lviv. The Russians who lay down under the Banderlog will bitterly regret their lack of will and unwillingness to defend freedom. Now one way out is the separation of Ukraine from Khokhlostan. Let Banderlog kill each other - sometimes monuments take revenge.
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 26 February 2014 17: 05
        +11
        Quote: Sandov
        Ukraine was raped by banderlogs to the cheers of these women Ashton and Nuland.


        The situation in Ukraine is an excellent brain vaccination for all those who support Russian liberal collaborators.

        And
        1) People of the BSSSR are refreshed by the memory of similar events of the 90 years
        2) The people of the new Russia open their eyes to the consequences of radical decisions

        So, all this bacchanalia is a good lesson to our citizens.


        As for the reaction, Nuzhun is the most common bright reason for this. And this reason should be created by Ukrainians themselves, that is, there should be an object of help and a reason for help. No need to sit and wait for Moscow’s help for beautiful eyes and Russian flags - everything is in the hands of the Ukrainians themselves
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 26 February 2014 17: 30
          +1
          the problem is that stupid people usually do not go to lessons.
          Or they only go to sit on their ass looking out of the window.

          Smart people will not arrange such a mess in their own country and the capital - well, the resource will not be exhausted
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        3. UREC
          UREC 26 February 2014 19: 17
          +2
          To create a new Federal District - Liberatic in the area of ​​Novaya Zemlya (it is now warming up there). Let them equip a new way for Russia - the Northern Sea.
        4. ochakow703
          ochakow703 26 February 2014 19: 27
          0
          Yeah. This morning I was listening to Vesti-FM, so the presenter there asked a rather provocative question to the listeners, "How do you feel about the demolition of monuments to Lenin in Ukraine?" So, our beloved citizens screeched into the phone that they say we don't care, and we also need to demolish, and invite Bendera for this ... Well this is disgusting, and the question is good, and the host commented on the answers purely as on Channel "Lie" did it. Why are we so spineless then? Are there really no conscience and decency in people? After all, it's not about Lenin (although it's about him too), it's about the frostbite of citizens. In any case, the Law should prevail.
        5. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 26 February 2014 20: 05
          +4
          .
          Evidence that a direct coup in Ukraine was carried out by fighters of foreign specials. units.

          Poland sent a military transport plane to transport wounded Maidan "activists" to Poland for treatment.

          (Does anyone believe that for the Maidan MEAT the Poles will send a military transport aircraft?)
          ----------
          Today the Czech media reported that the "activists" of the Maidan flew to the Czech Republic for treatment.

          (Does anyone believe that for the Maidan MEAT the Czechs will send a plane?)
          -----------
          The head of the presidential administration of Ukraine is in the hospital with a shot in the leg.

          Yanukovych was fired when he fled from Kiev.
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          Output.
          There were real fights in Kiev. Employees of foreign special forces fought against the legitimate legitimate authority. units supported by local Ukrainian militants.

          A comment:
          It seems to me that they take the people of the legitimate government prisoner by the American special forces (literally English-speaking) and mock them, shoot them in the legs, burn and cut them, threaten the families with violence until they break down and agree with all the lawlessness, and work for the usurpers and occupiers, "apologize and kneel." TRYING.
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      4. dark_65
        dark_65 26 February 2014 21: 10
        0
        In principle, nothing terrible, I explain, they sat, and they sit deep in the anus, Europe is not an assistant, she has constipation. The people are sorry, but the brains must be turned on.
        There is no money, and it is not expected, we can arrange grief for the people, cynically, but a fact.
        The worse it is there, the better it is for us, we are fluffy, we are for Ukraine, and evil Europe deceived, ditched, and abandoned it and did not pay.
        We would have given, and even given a little to start with, but they themselves refused.
        So your politicians are to blame, and so little by little to push the consciousness in the right direction, if only there is enough time.
  2. haarte
    haarte 26 February 2014 12: 16
    +18
    And who said that Putin is not doing anything?
    1. AVV
      AVV 26 February 2014 12: 56
      +19
      This is just a delusion, if you do not oppose, the West will want to make Russia another state of the United States, but this will never happen !!! So no one will give up Ukraine to this overseas ur.oda, no matter how Barack puffs !!!
      1. Canep
        Canep 26 February 2014 14: 35
        +10
        Quote: AVV
        Russia will want to make another US state

        It is high time for Russia to start downsizing.
        President Barack Obama received the first surprise from citizens of 29 out of 50 states: more than 350 people signed petitions to secede from the United States. The residents of Texas, New York, New Jersey, North and South Carolina, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Indiana, Michigan, Tennessee, Louisiana, Kentucky, Arkansas, Colorado, North Dakota, Oregon, Mississippi, Missouri expressed their desire to gain independence at first and Montana. On Tuesday night, residents of Alaska, Delaware, California, Oklahoma, Arizona, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Wyoming were added to them. At the same time, the largest number of votes came from Texas, where 67 thousand residents are asking for secession, and Louisiana, where there were about 27 thousand people wishing to obtain sovereignty. Florida, Alabama and Georgia are next in line. They already have 15 thousand.
        http://expert.ru/2012/11/14/nadavit-na-vashington/
        As a retaliatory measure for the lawlessness that the West has set in Ukraine.
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 26 February 2014 15: 16
          +9
          President Barack Obama received the first surprise from citizens of 29 out of 50 states: more than 350 people signed petitions to secede from the United States.

          It's time to start supporting, the expression of the will of the people about freedom, from the tyranny of the White House with a black president ... smile
        2. Yura
          Yura 26 February 2014 15: 23
          +3
          Quote: Canep
          It is high time for Russia to start downsizing.
          President Barack Obama received the first surprise from citizens of 29 out of 50 states: more than 350 people signed petitions to secede from the United States.

          And it would be great. And Russia, in solidarity with the peoples of the states, as soon as authorities similar to governments begin to appear there, and in line with the so-called policy of the West, will immediately begin to recognize these states one by one. Dreams of course, although what the hell is not joking.
        3. UREC
          UREC 26 February 2014 19: 19
          0
          Friends, let's support the freedom-loving Amer people!
      2. GDP
        GDP 26 February 2014 17: 31
        +2
        I don’t understand what the author wanted to say? What do we need to continue to sit and do nothing? To observe how international law is violated right and left, as our allies are plunged into chaos one by one? And are we so clean and right that we will continue to turn our cheeks, discussing democracy and double standards?
        How then is Putin different from Yanukovych?
    2. Deniska999
      Deniska999 26 February 2014 15: 12
      +5
      So what is he doing, what are the real steps of the Russian policy towards Ukraine?
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 26 February 2014 15: 22
        +1
        Quote: Deniska999
        So what is he doing, what are the real steps of the Russian policy towards Ukraine?

        Why pick a fruit unripe when you can wait and it will fall at your feet.
        1. nnz226
          nnz226 26 February 2014 17: 59
          +3
          And should the fruit ripen on the blood of Russian people who will be killed by banderalogs? There is Turkey, a NATO country, according to the charter of this office, which does not have to have territorial claims against its neighbors, it is starting to exaggerate the issue of the Crimea’s affiliation. Since the Crimea can belong to either Turkey or Russia, according to the Kuchuk-Kaynagir world (even from the 18 century!), And there is no question of some independent Rohland, as the owner of the Crimea. And nothing, the West is not indignant, because - an ally. Why don't Russia remember this document ?!
          ,
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 26 February 2014 20: 47
            +1
            Quote: nnz226
            Why shouldn't Russia also remember this document ?!

            Do you think they don't remember this in Russia? Now, if Russia were the first to start remembering this treaty, then, no doubt, a howl would rise in the West, be healthy. But if Turkey continues to exaggerate this "peace", then Russia will have the opportunity to declare its rights to Crimea. And you can be sure that Russia will take advantage of this. Turkey's Crimea, you can't see how its ears are, believe me. Not for that our great-grandfathers shed their blood there, so as to give it away so easily.
      2. Horn
        Horn 26 February 2014 16: 32
        +2
        There are many things in the world, friend Horatio, that people are not supposed to know ...
        Or, in your opinion, the Government of the Russian Federation should do something and convene a press conference at which to announce: "For Ukraine Russia has done this and that. Please bring this fact to Denisok 999"?
        The mere fact that Russia does not go into this INTERNAL squabble of Ukraine means that Russia is doing it. DOESN'T CLIMB.
      3. stappler
        stappler 26 February 2014 16: 46
        -1
        in my opinion, they simply do not exist ... there is nothing to say in this way, everyone is silent ...
    3. saruman
      saruman 26 February 2014 15: 29
      0
      Quote: haarte

      haarte


      Today, 12: 16




      And who said that Putin is not doing anything?


      What is he doing?
      1. skeptic
        skeptic 26 February 2014 16: 47
        +3
        Quote: saruman
        What is he doing?


        Quote: Horn
        Russia does not go into this INTERNAL squabble of Ukraine, which means that Russia is doing it. DOESN'T CLIMB.
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    5. Umnichka
      Umnichka 26 February 2014 15: 31
      +7
      I am personally in tense expectation - what will the GDP do? Or is it already doing? This is unknown, and against the background of constant concrete actions by the West, it worries and very much, because the attack is not on the economic, political and other directions, but the attack is on our very right to exist. It's time for VVP to climb up with a specific position, or complete disappointment is just around the corner and I personally will consider myself and the Motherland loyal. It's scary to think - what if the yanyk is not the only and not the main traitor? Then just horror and hopelessness. Much can and should be forgiven for the authorities (it is really difficult for them), but if Gorbachev repeats himself under any objective justification, I personally will not forgive and will hate our government. Now - the indicator.
      1. gfhjkm
        gfhjkm 26 February 2014 18: 48
        -2
        What do you mean, he's the most influential politician in the world. how many days have passed and he is silent.
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    7. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 26 February 2014 16: 08
      +9
      6 February 2014, 15: 39

      The Supreme Commander-in-Chief, Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday set the task of the Ministry of Defense to conduct a sudden comprehensive check of the combat readiness of the troops and forces of the Western and Central Military Districts, as well as a number of combat arms. Interfax reports.

      “In accordance with the order of the President of the Russian Federation, today at 14:00, the troops of the Western Military District, as well as formations and military units deployed on its territory, the 2nd Army of the Central Military District, the Aerospace Defense Command, the Air landing troops, long-range and military transport aviation, ”said Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.
      http://russian.rt.com/article/23153


    8. ed65b
      ed65b 26 February 2014 16: 13
      +4
      Quote: haarte
      And who said that Putin is not doing anything?

      Yes, who said he doesn't?
      "In accordance with the presidential decree, today at 14.00, the troops of the Western Military District, as well as the formations and military units stationed in its territory, the 2nd Army of the Central Military District, the command of the Aerospace Defense, the Airborne Forces, the Long-Range and Military Transport Aviation, were suddenly raised on alert." - announced Shoigu, quoted by RIA Novosti.
      “The check is planned to be carried out in the period from February 26 to March 3 in two stages. At the first stage, from 26 to 27 February, the Chief of the General Staff should bring the troops involved in a surprise check to the highest degree of combat readiness and deploy them at combined-arms and naval training grounds, ”added the Minister of Defense.
    9. avt
      avt 26 February 2014 16: 38
      +6
      Quote: haarte
      And who said that Putin is not doing anything?

      The latest news that passed officially, without talking about the paratroopers from Ulyanovsk. VVP "comprehensively checked" the Western and Central districts and a number of combat arms. This was confirmed by Shoigu. So the message to the Russians on the outskirts and in "Gulya Pole" is quite specific. The main thing is not to listen to the goats - to organize and take power into your own hands.
    10. mmrr
      mmrr 26 February 2014 17: 02
      +1
      Russia has no choice here, and everyone understands this, if there is nothing not to do, then in one and a half or two years we will see NATO tanks near Kursk, Bryansk, and in the same Crimea. So here there is no one choice or another.
    11. GDP
      GDP 26 February 2014 17: 35
      0
      And what is Putin doing? Are there real facts, but not speculation?
      Somewhere out there they are doing something and thinking about something ... - This is nonsense!
      Even Putin did not express his position on the crisis in Ukraine.
      And certainly the result of the inaction of our special services and diplomacy is a severe geopolitical catastrophe, which we simply observe without doing anything ...
    12. Yankuz
      Yankuz 26 February 2014 17: 58
      -4
      RUSSIA DOES NOT DO ANYTHING !!! WHAT'S UNCERTAINABLE. CAN ANYONE HERE SAY WHAT RUSSIA IS DOING? "RUSSIANS ARE COMING"? NO "RUSSIANS STAND. WAITING" - WHEN THE BIGGEST FISH WILL FLY AT AVANCENE!
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 26 February 2014 21: 03
        0
        Well! Why change a trifle?
  3. mountain
    mountain 26 February 2014 14: 37
    +12
    Quote: AVV
    This is just a delusion, if you do not oppose, the West will want to make Russia another state of the United States, but this will never happen !!! So no one will give up Ukraine to this overseas ur.oda, no matter how Barack puffs !!!

    Ukraine will not be handed over Not to the EU, Not to the bum, not to the Ukrainians themselves. As they do not know how, not only keep their own, but also donated.
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  4. Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 26 February 2014 14: 39
    -7
    in short, this is an article preparing public opinion in order to quietly surrender everything, like "this is the will of Allah"
    1. saruman
      saruman 26 February 2014 15: 38
      0
      I just watched on Vesti-24 an interview with Russian Finance Minister Siluyanov. He has no doubts about the legitimacy of the future government of Ukraine, and is ready to cooperate with them and provide financial assistance.
      In Simferopol, supporters of "Euromaidan", supported by the Crimean Tatars, have just won. There were ten times less pro-Russian activists. So, the Crimea will remain under the Bandera.
      1. Ivan Petrovich
        Ivan Petrovich 26 February 2014 16: 13
        +3
        here I am about it
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      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 26 February 2014 21: 07
        +2
        Quote: saruman
        Siluyanova. He does not at all doubt the legitimacy of the future government of Ukraine, and is ready to cooperate with them and provide financial assistance.


        Logically, how much money does Ukraine owe to Russia?

        Quote: saruman
        Pro-Russian activists gathered dozens of times less. So, Crimea will remain under Bandera.


        Well, they said that everything is there for an alliance with Russia. And as it came down to it, everything was in the huts.

        I already wrote that in reality there were two big differences - yelling "Russia, help me", waiting for our guys to come to fight for them. And take it yourself and break the bawlers. So everything is natural.
  5. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 26 February 2014 14: 48
    +4
    Anyway. There will be a division of Ukraine, it will not be - some kind of answer from Russia will come to the agenda. They also persuaded the 2008 of the year to Georgia for a long time - they drew attention to the inadmissibility of this, and then they kicked it once, the Georgians ran away and now they don’t dare to climb on the rampage.
    So it is here. Lavrov persuades, Putin comments and Medvedev reasoning along with the deputies of the Duma, and when the time is right, or when the circumstances force, they will strike across Kiev.
    Russia does not need neighboring with the next fascist enclave of Western Ukraine when Ukraine is divided. We can throw out the Natsiks. Tidy up too. Although the Nazis fought in the Czech Republic and Dagia, not all of them were successful. So it is here. Assad is holding on. East will also be, because there is no other way out. Otherwise, the train of "friendship" from Kiev and the West will bring with it thousands of thugs-murderers, torturers and rapists, traitors to the sovereignty of the multinational population of Ukraine.
    So let's not drive the horses. In this case, when only on weekends the power changed to anarchy and the bandits sorted out the machines and went around Ukraine and created lawlessness unregistered by the police, when the police were sitting, having closed at bases and deployment centers with families and children, when people still did not understand that 90 returned and it will become even worse when the savings run out, and no one will bring salaries and pensions - then the moment of truth will come. Then the average layman will already be forced to take one side or another for the sake of resources on which he and his family will be able to exist. Then there will be a denouement.
    Since Ukraine has a lot of weapons, even Soviet ones, the division will be bloody and stubborn, because Natsik - shifted people. It is worth seeing how in the Rivne Council of Deputies a member of the Right Sector threatened and threatened with a knife and knives - a typical geek, a marginal and a bandit from a high road. All my life I was a janitor or a loader, I did unskilled work all my life - here’s a chance for him to become out of nothing in everything - he took a machine gun and that's it - the jackal changed to a wolf, but for how long - time will tell.
    1. Umnichka
      Umnichka 26 February 2014 15: 50
      +4
      Sorry, do not be offended - you are probably an involuntary provocateur. Now the count goes to hours - we have lost the western part of Ukraine, at least since the time of Alexander Nevsky it was closer to the west, let it be, there is no need to rape them. But if now we miss the time - several thousand frostbitten zombie militants will quickly bend the officials of the East and Crimea, they will quickly adopt the necessary laws, decisions, acts, orders, etc. (dispersed unorganized cordons that are not very numerous around the administrations) - and that's it. , fuck you, the train will leave! It is not for nothing, it is very correct from their point of view that they want to throw Lenins off the pedestal everywhere - Lenin's phrase is now absolutely relevant for both sides, and even more relevant for the east of Ukraine and the Crimea - DEATH SLOWING IS LIKE! I would say even more specifically - now there is SLOWING - DEATH, without any semblance. The battle has begun, to persuade the enemy and appeal to some rules during the battle !!! ??? Fight no matter what, they will not spare us, read the previous thoughts and intentions of the same Tyagnibok (at least about the methology of the destruction of Sevastopol residents - very, by the way, competently from the point of view of methodology and absolutely animal-like) - there is no one to talk to and just speak. Only to fight to the death. Otherwise, death, no options.
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    3. UREC
      UREC 26 February 2014 19: 38
      +1
      It's time to P ... AND ... Z ... NOW ALREADY !!! How much to endure these freaks! Yesterday the Pyatnitskoe bus (Russia) _ Kharkov was fired upon / They turned over the minibus going to Russia on the same highway.
  6. Svetlana
    Svetlana 26 February 2014 14: 49
    +2
    Our real possibilities - political, economic, military, ideological - as of today are much more limited, local than the capabilities of competitors. Yes, to varying degrees - but the balance is still not in our favor.
    But mainly it is not so much the economic indicators or the combat readiness of the Armed Forces that bind us hand and foot that impart political characteristics of the Russian state and Russian society.

    My God, how many bucks have been spent on the Olympics! Beautiful, spectacular, pride in our athletes covers, their image in the world has been updated. But was it really more important than restoring one’s defenses and military power? After all, with this money you could do so much! What is this Olympiad now becoming in comparison with the horrors of war that await those Russian people who now live in Ukraine, and us, when in the end our turn will come after Ukraine? I would like to hope only for the best, of course, but the threat of war, which we will be drawn into, if not now, then later, is obvious. Now is the time when we will see the true face of the person who leads our country. He has too much responsibility to blame it on someone else. And you can’t hide yourself with beautiful words in this situation. We need a specific case. Serious, competent, well-thought out action. If this does not follow, the result will be very disastrous.
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    2. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 26 February 2014 15: 56
      +2
      Quote: Svetlana
      My God, how much money has been hammered into the Olympics! It is beautiful, spectacular, pride for our athletes covers, their image in the world has been updated. But was it really more important than restoring your defenses and military might?


      So "for peace" they do not plan, "for health" they always plan and strive! The country needed a holiday! Investments! 7 years ago - there was a different alignment!

      And the power has arrived! What's the matter, Svetlana?

      You wanted to say: why did we destroy the KGB? After all, the KGB would have informed us about these "Bendera" men! And they would have been nipped in the bud, in the bud!
    3. SS68SS
      SS68SS 26 February 2014 16: 14
      +7
      Quote: Svetlana
      Now is the time when we will see the true face of the man who leads our country.

      And you, excuse me, have not understood since 2000 who is in charge of Russia. Who systematically restores the industry, including the defense industry. Who raises pensions, salaries of state employees, military. Who stabilized the economy. He taught the government and officials where to take money for the military and social services. And remember the 90s. The people did not know whether the salary would be tomorrow or not, the giant factories were standing. Millions walked at their own expense .... Probably our president, methodically since 2000, has been doing everything to break up the country. What would you and me life not seem like honey ..... And when the Ukrainian people themselves do not know what they want, what's the point of twitching and throwing tantrums. You have to think. Here he thinks. And I am sure that the situation in Ukraine is not uncontrollable. There are buttons, just press early.
      1. UREC
        UREC 26 February 2014 19: 42
        0
        The main thing is that it would not be late !!!
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    5. Setrac
      Setrac 26 February 2014 21: 30
      +1
      Quote: Svetlana
      You need a specific case.

      Let's go without demagogy, what exactly do you propose to do to Putin and Russia?
      1. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 27 February 2014 08: 44
        0
        Secretly help the east of Ukraine with money-orders to factories, weapons and ammunition, secret approval from Moscow.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 27 February 2014 18: 34
          0
          Quote: mojohed2012
          Secretly help the east of Ukraine with money-orders to factories, weapons and ammunition, secret approval from Moscow.

          Read carefully what you wrote, how old are you? Don't go to kindergarten anymore?
  7. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 26 February 2014 14: 51
    +5
    And it would be strange to a great power to proclaim some principles, and practically guided by others, especially for themselves secretly invented.

    Why is this strange? This is what they did 1000 years ago, they do it now, and they will do it in 1000 years.
    Yes, I repeat, the current model of world order is flawed and unfair. Not least the fact that some (we will not point the finger) consider themselves "more equal than others" and allow themselves not to reckon with any rules of any international law, any rules of any morality - and we see this in Kiev real time.

    "The right of the strong" is so rastak. Nothing has changed since the time of the barbarians and Rome.
  8. exiv200gt
    exiv200gt 26 February 2014 14: 55
    +5
    It is certainly necessary to play giveaways in some places, but Ukraine is not an ordinary pawn to just give it up stop
  9. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 26 February 2014 14: 56
    +1
    [
    i] In the classics of world politics, this tactic - to bend your line, using even your weaknesses and even the strength of your competitors - is called "Stalin's bazaar". And "Stalin's bazaar" requires patience and accuracy. And the result is considered on May 45 [/ i]

    At least in recent years, this principle has been inherited in our foreign policy ...
  10. Freemason
    Freemason 26 February 2014 15: 04
    +24
    IMHO! Let them minus me and drive me to the ban.
    The question is which of us needs a war? We did not lose Ukraine. She's right next to us. The question is who is there and how is it configured? Who wants to live and work normally, and who, in blind stupid rage, strives for power?
    An interesting question, isn't it? Further, Ukraine was nuuuuuu for a very long time, so all independent. Yes, I feel sorry for the people who live there and suffer from this mess, in the west, in the east. But that was their choice.
    Yes, the east appeals to me more. And if there really starts to rot people, Russian people, I will be there. I will fight against this arbitrariness, against genocide.
    But Russia is also a separate state, do not forget about it. And we are surrounded by all kinds of dump, katoraya sleeps and sees us destroyed and wiped off the face of the earth.
    Do you want the truth? We can come and put things in order in Ukraine. We can give such a kick to those who are so eager to go there. Yes Yes exactly. This has already happened. For especially furious idiots who love to write that everything is bad with the army, I will remind 08.08.08. quickly came and quickly piled. Why didn't you go all the way? And think about it, or remember the Georgian bear who always yells at every corner that the Russians invaded little Georgia. And "the whole world" practically believed in it. Now the majority of stupid zombies in Europe and with them from the masses. The media believes in it. Yes, let's go to Ukraine to restore order. Let's. and then according to the "LAW OF PEACE" who will we be? you will find the answer yourself.
    In conclusion. all sorts of nemtsov bulk and hedgehogs reading this portal with them. Shut your mouth. You couldn't buy me. And even more so to convince. So the fact that you are imprisoned, accused, and so on are themselves to blame.
    How boiled ...
    1. Yura
      Yura 26 February 2014 15: 33
      +1
      Freemason, (Vyacheslav) I'm with you.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 26 February 2014 21: 17
        +1
        Vyacheslav, I applaud.
  11. Black
    Black 26 February 2014 15: 07
    +4
    Yes, Moscow in the Ukrainian meadow "plays black", and its competitors "play white."

    So that - yes, then - no !!!! They say in Odessa.
    We play (that is, adhering to the rules that we do something ,,, more often it seems that we are not doing anything at all !!!), and they simply move figures to free cells - without rules, guided only by revolutionary necessity. It is impossible to beat a sharper.
    But .... first I would like to understand (well, that's ABSOLUTELY !!! it is not clear) - and Russia generally sets itself a goal - to win, or so - according to the Olympic principle - just participates ??
    And there is no need to amuse yourself with some far-fetched reasons why Russia does not have the right to "ROCK" in the direction of the banditry West.
    Quote: Ivan Petrovich
    this is an article preparing public opinion to quietly surrender everything, like "this is the will of Allah"

    Right! the dogs began to whine: "And we will go to the North! And we will go to the North !!"
    Power is then power, when it thinks ahead of at least 20-30 years ... and here, it seems, the Kremlin wants local prosperity, "partnership, and friendship."
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 26 February 2014 15: 21
      +2
      Quote: Chen
      ... It is impossible to win against the sharper.
      And there is no need to amuse yourself with some far-fetched reasons why Russia does not have the right to "ROCK" in the direction of the banditry West.

      Ukraine is not a prize or an object. She is the subject herself. Confused, disoriented, crazy with insane power, but one of the subjects of the game.
      What is roar for? To show parts of the audience the muscularity of power?
      Completeness of information, analysis, wisdom, iron nerves and sober calculation are the keys to victory.
      The game is just beginning and its progress will not be fast. The dramatic crescendo of the Maidan is just an introduction.
      Welcome to the story.
  12. Duke
    Duke 26 February 2014 15: 10
    +11
    COMRADE urgent information from a friend from Melitopol.
    Maksim
    ATTENTION OF ALL RESIDENTS OF MELITOPOL!
    Making the Maximum Repost! Tell your friends this Recording! Melitopol wake up !!! They want to take our city under their leadership "Right Sector"! And We Citizens will not allow this, we will not allow to do with our city what they did in Kiev and do in other cities! Their task is to demolish 3 of our Lenin monuments in Melitopol, and rename Lenin Street into a street called "Glory to Ukraine"! The demolition of monuments will take place on March 2! THE PLEASE TO WHOM IS NOT INDIFFERENT THE FATE OF OUR MELITOPOL FOR WHICH OUR GRANDFATHER Fought AND DEFENDED THE HONOR OF OUR PEOPLE! YOU NEED TO COME TO THE WATER CANAL AT 12:00! WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHERE THE SQUARE COMES TO THE FONTANA AT 11:40 AM THEN WE WILL GO TO THE WATER CANAL WHICH IS NOT FAR FROM THE SQUARE ON BOGDAN KHMELNYTSKAYA STREET! WILL COME FROM PRACTICALLY FROM THE WHOLE MELITOPOL DISTRICT FROM THE VILLAGES ON MARCH 2 IN ORDER NOT TO ADMIT CHAOS IN OUR HOME TOWN MELITOPOL! IT IS NECESSARY TO COLLECT MORE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN ORDER NOT TO ALLOW THIS ALL IN OUR CITY! We are looking forward to everyone! I think you will not sit idly at home when this happens in Melitopol! Who is going to help everyone on March 2, send applications to this group: vk.com/samooboronamelitopol Those who are from Melitopol and the Melitopol district fall into the group. In the group, you will learn all the details of everything that happens in Melitopol and what actions will take place! The exact information is also laid out in the group !!!

    Respectfully yours, Melitopol!
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 26 February 2014 21: 22
      0
      Oh my God! And here...
      Yes, in every city there are Internet soldiers and post-repost. Because how to get to the square - it’s annoying.
      The maximum reposts of war cannot be won.
  13. belovur
    belovur 26 February 2014 15: 12
    -6
    And I think that it is necessary to give the Ukrainians the opportunity to decide their own destiny, and the respected "commentators" should better think about how we should build life in Russia so that there are no Maidans.
    1. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 26 February 2014 15: 23
      +5
      Not a clever sentence ............enable Ukrainians and etc............ This means abandoning both the Russians living in Ukraine and the adequate Ukrainians of the east = south to fend for themselves, the Ban * der * logs on the wave of unpunished euphoria supported by Western "democracy" will never stop themselves, THEY SHOULD BE STOPPED BY FORCE! And if it is not clear to someone, then the success of the Maidan will be a signal for our "fighters for freedom" ................ It's as clear as day!
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    3. Yura
      Yura 26 February 2014 15: 43
      +2
      Quote: belovur
      give Ukrainians the opportunity to decide their own destiny, and respected "commentators"

      The head is in the sand, the ass is in the foam, but you don't need to do anything and there is less headache, but this is just your opinion.
  14. R-2
    R-2 26 February 2014 15: 21
    +2
    As I understand from the article, here it is necessary as in judo - to use the offensive force of the enemy, against him, substituting the bandwagon in time?
  15. Lawless
    Lawless 26 February 2014 15: 21
    0
    Bendera tore Ukraine in half ... We are waiting for the wall to be built ...
  16. ilya_82
    ilya_82 26 February 2014 15: 26
    0
    Let's get into Ukraine impudently - we will organize an Inferno breakthrough, but I don't know how to win in this situation. There is probably only one option: to allow a collision between the west and east of Ukraine on the Eastern side. Then you can bring peacekeepers to the East (Transnistrian scenario). But this is the death of thousands of people from both sides ...
    1. polida
      polida 26 February 2014 16: 25
      -2
      Sell ​​a computer and a car - buy an AK and the borders are open - act "patriot"
    2. Stinger
      Stinger 26 February 2014 17: 31
      +1
      ilya_82
      Let's break into Ukraine unceremoniously

      Are you ready to send your son there? Why love them? They didn't even get us drunk even once. We have heard some reproaches for 20 years.
  17. Stinger
    Stinger 26 February 2014 15: 28
    0
    Article +. The author is right. No need to fuss under the client. The last to laugh is not the one who shoots first. Now the main thing is not to let talkers and talkers from our valiant State Duma into Crimea. They will figure it out for themselves, without snotty "patriots".
    1. avt
      avt 26 February 2014 20: 30
      0
      Quote: Stinger
      The last laugh is not the one who shoots first.

      The one who hits first laughs well.
  18. Sigismund
    Sigismund 26 February 2014 15: 34
    +2
    Spaky gentlemen, spaky. Shouting and seizing is one thing, running a household, and running a hungry state, this is another. According to the most conservative estimates, Ukraine's debt reaches 140 billion dollars. No one will ever give it that kind of money. Especially in such conditions. Let's see how Disassembly quickly begin in the "legitimately" come power. That's when the "sex fish".
  19. be0560
    be0560 26 February 2014 15: 39
    +1
    Russia is to blame for the lawlessness that is now happening in Ukraine. Her fault is complete silence and inactivity. Now in Ukraine neo-fascists and Benderaites are coming to power, plunging the country into chaos and civil war. Why was Russia silent when a few years ago the processions and rallies of these underdogs - Bendera "defenders of freedom" and stupid youth inspired by their crazy ideas, were officially allowed. Why was Putin silent when Bendera Yushchenko conferred the title of Hero of Ukraine. Why was our Duma silent when young neo-fascists destroyed monuments to Soviet soldiers who died for the liberation of Ukraine from the brown plague ??? And now we continue in the same spirit ... It seems that not only the leadership of Ukraine, but also Russia is in shock. Well, in return we get what we get ...
    1. Kuvabatake
      Kuvabatake 26 February 2014 16: 03
      0
      Because Ukraine is an independent state ...
    2. polida
      polida 26 February 2014 16: 30
      -1
      But because our officials are like in Ukraine
    3. Horn
      Horn 26 February 2014 16: 48
      +3
      Russia is to blame for the lawlessness that is now happening in Ukraine. Her fault is complete silence and inactivity

      And what do you think Russia should do? Or should she have done? Russia has repeatedly expressed concern about the legitimization of fascism in Ukraine. What, the troops had to be brought in? Where was the South-East of Ukraine when Ukraine supplied Chechnya and Georgia with weapons and militants? Did you go to the Maidan with a protest? There is no need for provocations. Ukraine has received what it has long cherished. Yes, sorry for normal people. But even now there are more of them than Western Orcs! And there are arsenals not only in Volyn.
    4. Rus2012
      Rus2012 26 February 2014 16: 50
      +1
      Quote: be0560
      Her fault is utter silence and inaction.


      Adequate answer:
      Supreme Commander-in-Chief, President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin on Wednesday set the task of the Ministry of Defense to conduct a sudden comprehensive check of the combat readiness of the troops and forces of the Western and Central military districts, as well as a number of combat arms, said Russian Defense Minister Army General Sergei Shoigu.

      "In accordance with the order of the President of the Russian Federation today in 14: 00 the troops of the Western military district, as well as the formations and military units deployed on its territory, the 2 Army of the Central Military District, the command of the Aerospace Defense, the Airborne Forces, the Far and Military Transport are suddenly raised by alarm aviation", - said Shoigu at a meeting at the Russian Defense Ministry.

      According to him, Putin instructed to check the ability of the troops to act in resolving crisis situations that pose a threat to the country's military security, as well as anti-terrorist, sanitary-epidemiological and technogenic character.

      Verification will be carried out from February 26 to March 3 in two stages.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 26 February 2014 21: 29
        +2
        Quote: Horn
        . Ukraine received what has long been nurtured.


        Here is the only thing that is missing there so far - is to collect all these screaming Internet military men and send them all together in a mass. Don't fight ...
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 26 February 2014 21: 45
          +1
          Quote: Banshee
          it is to collect all these screaming Internet military and send it all together in a heap. Do not fight ...
          They are already fighting ..... on the Internet))
    5. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 26 February 2014 21: 27
      +2
      Quote: be0560
      Russia is to blame for the lawlessness that is happening in Ukraine.


      Wow, it got ...

      Quote: be0560
      Now in Ukraine, neo-fascists and Bendera come to power, plunging the country into chaos and civil war.


      Life is generally a complicated thing.

      Quote: be0560
      Why was Russia silent when a few years ago the processions and rallies of these underdogs - Bendera "defenders of freedom" and stupid youth inspired by their crazy ideas, were officially allowed.


      And why was Ukraine silent? Why did everything suit everyone there?

      Quote: be0560
      Why Putin was silent when Bendera Yushchenko appropriated the title of Hero of Ukraine.


      Because Putin is the president of another country. We Bandera did not assign ranks, if that.
      But why were silent in Ukraine? There were no rallies, no processions.

      You are unenlightened, my friend. not to say that one-sided.
    6. Stanislas
      Stanislas 26 February 2014 22: 44
      +2
      Quote: be0560
      Russia is to blame for the lawlessness that is happening in Ukraine.
      I think all the Banderlogists agree with you in this.
  20. shinobi
    shinobi 26 February 2014 15: 46
    +4
    Have you noticed that the yanyk disappeared neatly the day before the end of the Olympiad? Someone very clever made a bet on 08.08.08. Look how almost all the media, both in them and in our country, are savoring the sauce under which the invasion of Russian troops into the Crimea will take place. They are pushed into the affairs of a neighbor, like an Afghan in 80m. But we don't need it, we just need to wait until the summer. The new rulers themselves will gnaw each other. As has already been repeatedly. Moreover, the process has already gone. The Nazis will also play by the rules, They won't go anywhere. History has repeated itself and nothing else. The troops are quite combat-ready just there, our side is, if things go really cool.

    PS: And Crimea must be taken away!
  21. vsdvs
    vsdvs 26 February 2014 15: 48
    +3
    Quote: Svetlana
    My God, how much money has been hammered into the Olympics! It is beautiful, spectacular, pride for our athletes covers, their image in the world has been updated. But was it really more important than restoring your defenses and military might?

    Sometimes money invested in the image brings more than tanks and airplanes, especially in those conditions when neither tanks nor airplanes can be used.
  22. Mejin
    Mejin 26 February 2014 15: 54
    +4
    This is how Russia is "acting out of hand" and Ukraine.
    Russia is on the left, don't mix it up.
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  24. bubalik
    bubalik 26 February 2014 15: 56
    0
    Crimea live broadcast
    http://gazeta.ua/ru/articles/politics/_vozle-parlamenta-kryma-nachalis-pervye-st
    ychki-miliciya-bessilna-onlayntranslyaciya / xnumx
  25. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake 26 February 2014 16: 01
    +8
    I would very much like to help the people of Ukraine ... yes But it is to help, and not to do everything for them. They shouted, shouted, and in fact, in Simferopol, few people came out against the Maidan. So the majority is happy with everything. Why should we vomit ??? what request
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 26 February 2014 21: 33
      0
      Yes, so that later our local patriotrols, swelling like toads, croak on the topic "We won!"

      And then, quietly, as in 08, our guys would be buried in cities.

      Those who blather patriotic screams on the Internet will never face the Maidan. This is dangerous.
  26. 23424636
    23424636 26 February 2014 16: 02
    +2
    It is necessary to look at the situation if the Baptist Turchynov lets NATO troops immediately move towards them as in 39 in Poland only without papers / Molotov-Robentrop Pact / and there is always a reason. If it is quiet, they themselves will climb to visit Vova: all this company is dancing around the pipe and behind the pipe, Not one hetman left calmly: they were either killed or expelled, Metropolitan Cyprian fled with his pulpit to Vladimir in the 14th century for a reason, knowing that there was The kingdom of turmoil and discord reigns. It is a pity only the Russian-speaking people that in this silence the Judas will make a Baltic experiment on them.
  27. Diana
    Diana 26 February 2014 16: 10
    +1
    You don't have to go far. You can open the geographic map of the world and see. See that the behind-the-scenes players want to get their hands on our country by any means. Now from through Georgia, then through Syria. And so they found a way through Europe, through an unstable and dreamy Ukraine. There they beckoned with beautiful pictures and nice currency, and that's it, they are ready. I apologize if there really is someone who sincerely wishes for change. Everyone's opinion is subjective. But. The people are good, sincere, if you are tired of the "Russian" you could carry out a pavilion policy among the population, hear the people, take an example from us))).
    And I think that most ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation were not against Ukraine's entry into the beautiful union of colored flags. A sovereign state, etc. But now it is no longer new to blame Russia for everything. In general, the information war, in which we always lose, is so tired. I hope we will play white sometime.
    I sincerely worry about Ukrainians and Russian-speakers, and no. But it would be better if they removed all the stoned terrorists so as not to stain the ground on which their children walk.
    1. stappler
      stappler 26 February 2014 17: 02
      -2
      - Matvienko said that obtaining simplified citizenship for residents of Ukraine is not relevant ..., damn it, well, they are draining, draining ... what can you do here ...
      1. Umnichka
        Umnichka 26 February 2014 21: 14
        +1
        Sorry, but you CANNOT give a simplified citizenship now, no matter how paradoxical it sounds - a significant part, fleeing from Bendera, will quickly move to Russia, as a result of the front (let's be honest - there is a front, the events of the following days will confirm this, if anyone else is not understood) we will expose and even demand a referendum would be pointless. Now, on the contrary, we need to increase the number of Russian-speakers, etc.
        PS Well Khrushchev and bitch !!!
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      3. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 26 February 2014 21: 36
        +2
        Quote: stappler
        Matvienko said that obtaining simplified citizenship for residents of Ukraine is not relevant ..


        RIGHT!!!
        If you start to give out our citizenship to everyone there, it entails one thing: all these new citizens will start yelling that they need to be protected, since they are citizens. And they themselves will sit in the huts and wait for our guys. As they sit now. Simferopol, a disgrace.

        Do guys need it? Is it necessary for the mothers of the guys?

        No, you can sit in huts anyway. Without our army behind.
  28. demotivator
    demotivator 26 February 2014 16: 12
    +5
    Even if we, Russia, do nothing at all in connection with the events in Ukraine, we will still be accused of something. And there is! Leading Ukraine in 1991-2010 ex-presidents Leonid Kravchuk, Leonid Kuchma and Viktor Yushchenko came out with a joint demand to stop Russia's interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine. At the same time, the former heads of state could not cite any facts of interference. Speeches of individual deputies of the State Duma in support of the referendum on the independence of Crimea are not such, since they act as private individuals, and the parliament did not accept such statements. On the contrary, leading Russian politicians, including President Vladimir Putin, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Federation Council Speaker Valentina Matvienko, vied with each other about the inviolability of the territorial integrity of Ukraine, and if their emissaries come to Kharkov, then in order to repeat it. But the representatives of the European Union, headed by the High Representative of the EU for Foreign Affairs Catherine Ashton, spent days and nights at the Euromaidan. And the foreign ministers of Germany, Poland and France first forced Viktor Yanukovych to stop cleansing the militants under guarantees of keeping him in power until the end of the year, and then did not prevent his overthrow in any way. However, according to Kravchuk-Kuchma-Yushchenko, this is not interference. So understand them after that !?
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    2. SS68SS
      SS68SS 26 February 2014 16: 39
      +2
      .... But the representatives of the European Union, headed by the High Representative of the EU for Foreign Affairs Catherine Ashton, spent days and nights at the Euromaidan ...

      So "Stop the thief" is usually shouted by the thief himself.
    3. stappler
      stappler 26 February 2014 16: 58
      +2
      - so all of the above are only happy about the coup, some for political reasons, some for economic reasons.
    4. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 26 February 2014 19: 41
      +1
      Quote: demotivator
      However, according to Kravchuk-Kuchma-Yushchenko, this is not interference.

      Today I read the nonsense of these three half-assed ones ... They themselves poured Ukraine to the pi.n.dos and the west recklessly and as best they could, you bastard! And now they still have the audacity to open their mouths about interference! am And who even - Russia! This trinity, first of all, should sit on stakes on the Maidan for the edification of the rest !!!
    5. Umnichka
      Umnichka 26 February 2014 21: 22
      +1
      The question is so serious, there is SO MUCH at stake that it is absolutely necessary to give a damn about all the degrees of sanctions and even more condemnations! (Otherwise, NATO, missile defense, soft power, losses of our industry, cooperated with Ukrainian enterprises (there are many of them!), Overflowing in a few years of the situation first to the Kuban and Stavropol Territories, then ...) It will be necessary to continue further until the complete destruction of the Slavic civilization. Who does not know, Brzezinski called in his book the Russians an extra people on the planet, the only one hindering the establishment of complete hegemony of the United States, and called Orthodoxy the main enemy of America (!). Leads on the surface ...
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  29. individual
    individual 26 February 2014 16: 21
    +2
    Since the late 1980s, we have lived in an eerie paradox.
    Perestroika began with a green light for healthy, reasonable criticism, criticism in essence, constructive criticism, the main task of which is to get rid of the shortcomings that hinder the comprehensive, harmonious development of society.
    However, this quickly turned into a completely destructive self-flagellation.
    The result is disastrous!
    The collapse of the country, the collapse of the USSR.
    Even in the presence of a nationwide referendum, which gave an unambiguous result on the preservation of the Union.
    We ourselves, on a platter, like bread and salt, presented the States with their victory in the Cold War.
    Now up to 80% of the owners of our business are foreigners.
    The disappointing results of economic development in 2013 are the first "swallow" of our early accession to the WTO, and the subsequent development is questionable.
    And now our "friends" presented us with the Ukrainian Maidan, knowing that Russia is obliged to answer. We have no choice.
    Moscow knows what to answer.
    But what?
    It is this search that the authorities are concerned about.
    It is difficult to make any decision here ...
  30. sinukvl
    sinukvl 26 February 2014 16: 31
    +3
    It is interesting that those who say here that we will not do anything will say about this:

    "On Thursday at 4:XNUMX am, President of the Russian Federation and Supreme Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Putin ordered the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation to begin large-scale military exercises in the Black Sea region," he told reporters during an audio conference a few minutes ago, including a KP correspondent. Presidential Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov.

    “This is a large-scale surprise test,” said Peskov. - It really was a sudden check. At 4 a.m., the Minister of Defense was brought a closed envelope, which he opened, where he got acquainted with the order.

    In total, 36 ships based in Sevastopol and Novorossiysk, partly military aviation, quick deployment troops, in particular, airborne forces and marines, as well as special forces will take part in the exercises. These are special units of the GRU and the General Staff.

    In total, the exercises will involve up to 7 thousand people - soldiers and officers. "

    26.02.2014g.

    I remember before the war 08.08.08g. we also conducted exercises in the Caucasus, just in case.
    1. Umnichka
      Umnichka 26 February 2014 21: 04
      -1
      Is this a joke? Thursday is tomorrow ...
    2. Umnichka
      Umnichka 26 February 2014 21: 04
      0
      Is this a joke? Thursday is tomorrow ...
  31. tank64rus
    tank64rus 26 February 2014 16: 36
    +4
    As the declassified WikiLeaks documents testify, a certain Ukrainian interlocutor of the American ambassador John Tefft prepared a program for the development of Ukrainian reforms and handed it over to the United States. Those, in turn, approved and handed over this program to the IMF, which insisted on them both on the condition that Ukraine received a loan, Ukrainian News reports.
    According to WikiLeaks, this list of reforms - recommendations to Ukraine includes the following:
    1. Raise the retirement age - by two years for men, by three - for women. Eliminate the right to early retirement and the principle of counting a year in two at hazardous enterprises.
    2. Eliminate the institution of special pension benefits, which are allocated to scientists, civil servants, managers of state enterprises. Limit pensions to working pensioners. Set the retirement age to army officers in 60 years.
    3. Increase the price of gas for municipal enterprises by 50%, twice for private consumers. Increase the cost of electricity by 40%. Allow pricing utilities. Allow price increases according to gas prices. Increase the excise on gasoline to 60 euros.
    4. Cancel benefits and increase transport taxes by 50%. Do not raise the cost of living, balance the social situation at the expense of point subsidies.
    5. Privatize all mines and abolish all subsidies. Cancel benefits for utilities, transport, and more. The abolition of state support for free food, textbooks.
    6. Limit the practice of simplified taxation. Abolish the practice of VAT exemption in rural areas. Oblige pharmacies and pharmacists to pay VAT.
    7. Cancel the moratorium on the sale of agricultural land. Eliminate subsidies for pork and chicken producers.
    8. Reduce the composition of ministries to 14. Leave only one deputy prime minister. To abolish the post of Minister of Cabinet Ministers. Subordinate all state bodies to ministries. The tax administration, customs, and the State Property Fund should be included in the Ministry of Finance.
    9. Limit excessive wages of public officials.
    10. Unemployment benefits should be accrued only after a minimum period of six months of work. Pay sick leave at the level of 70% of the salary, but not lower than the subsistence level. Pay sick leave only from the third day of illness.
    Earlier it was suggested that the former ambassador to the US Embassy in Ukraine, in this case, as in a number of other reports of the US embassy in Ukraine, could be ex-finance minister Viktor Pynzenyk.
    1. Horst78
      Horst78 26 February 2014 17: 01
      0
      Hmm what but they also wanted to impose this, and the traitors from the government are trying to do it on the sly.
    2. Horn
      Horn 26 February 2014 17: 05
      0
      Items 8,9,10 are also relevant for Russia. For any tuning.
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 26 February 2014 21: 45
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      Quote: tank64rus
      prepared a program for the development of Ukrainian reforms and handed it over to the United States.

      Yeah, if all this is put into action, simple Ukrainians kirdyk, like the whole of Ukraine! Consequences: Impoverishment, a sharp decline in the birth rate, and, as a consequence, population growth. Population decline from drunkenness, lack of normal medicine and affordable medicines. The growth of extremist sentiments, the increase in the number of homeless people, the growth of banditry, etc. And this is only the first thing that came after reading this list-sentence.
  32. Intensive
    Intensive 26 February 2014 16: 40
    +3
    What we can?
    Well, I think we can, through the media and other channels, offer alternative options for the attitude to what is happening from the point of view of not "zapadentsev", but from the point of view of the fraternal unity of Ukraine and Russia. I am sure that the majority in Ukraine agree with the initial message of the Maidan - "Down with the oligarchs and thieves", but this does not mean that they also agree with European integration, and even more so with the bondage offered by the IMF. Therefore, it is necessary to show a different way and a way out to people who are not Russophobes. I think there are a lot of such people, but due to the fact that there is no alternative scenario, they can be pulled into the wrong camp by a wave of emotions, and then it will be much more difficult to give up their choice.
    It is also necessary to provide all possible assistance to the leaders of the directions and groups loyal to us. These people should receive real and effective information, financial, etc. help. Since being inside a conflict it is often difficult to avoid mistakes. On the contrary, Russia is capable of giving a sober and balanced assessment of what is happening. I think there are resources for this.
  33. siberalt
    siberalt 26 February 2014 16: 41
    +3
    The article has the right message. Namely: don't be hysterical. Many forum participants are calling on Putin to be "midwife" - to have an abortion in Ukraine. Ukraine is a non-state. And this is generally accepted. Until a sane subject is born out of it, who to help? If there is no state legal capacity at all? Point support from the Russians is needed. For this, a government hour is convened. How will the "rebellious" regions live, and all the rest, if the treasury is empty, debts like lice? Power without money is nothing! A very difficult process of internal integration of the heterogeneity of society and political forces lies ahead. Whatever one may say, but without Russia, the Ukrainian issue, in principle, cannot be resolved.
  34. Motors1991
    Motors1991 26 February 2014 16: 43
    +7
    You are strange people here, you all want to fight, you want Putin to stamp his foot. But thank God, Putin is smarter than you and understands that it is better to fight not with tanks, but with a ruble or a dollar. Here Europe promised to give 1 billion euros in March, but twenty, and Europe does not have them. The IMF does, but it sets such conditions that it is better to immediately lather the rope and hang yourself, without waiting for Maidan-3 to come to visit. So it remains, to bow to Tsar Vladimir, and Tsar Vladimir, this is for you not Tsar Boris, he has already made a couple of mistakes and the third time will not want to. He will think, and the more, the more agreeable, the Ukrainian leadership will be more agreeable. They promised a lot. So the movie is not over yet, buy popcorn and look further.
  35. Kazakhstan
    Kazakhstan 26 February 2014 16: 47
    -4
    Useful links

    http://www.politonline.ru/comments/15453.html

    http://www.politonline.ru/ventilyator/15457.html

    http://www.politonline.ru/comments/15422.html
  36. Berimor 2
    Berimor 2 26 February 2014 16: 49
    +6
    Dear participants in the discussion: namely, those requiring immediate action! There is no need to demand decisive steps from the leadership of our state and accuse it of indecision. Only in your imagination to immediately rush to the embrasure is a sign of good form. Politics does not tolerate fuss and sudden movements. All that is expected from Russia is that we get involved in another adventure. Yes, ignoring the fact of a coup d'état in Ukraine is not worth it, but you should not rush into battle thoughtlessly. Let the population of Ukraine taste all the delights of the "maydanuts", live in uncertainty for their safety, for their tomorrow. Maybe they will really be better (which I myself strongly doubt). Only after it (the population) has decided itself with whom they live better and firmly express its desire by confirming them with real steps, it is worth moving on to the phase of active "military" actions. In the meantime, no matter how regrettable, it is necessary to use measures of a diplomatic nature and remember the old Russian proverb: "You cannot be lovely" and the anecdote about two old and young beeches "We will slowly go down and take the whole herd."
    1. Stinger
      Stinger 26 February 2014 17: 46
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      It is right. Harsh everyday life has already begun. China wants to get back the three billion dollars allocated to Ukraine. Beijing announced its claims to the Ukrainian side in the London International Arbitration Court. This information was confirmed by the first deputy head of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on Combating Organized Crime and Corruption Gennady b.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 26 February 2014 21: 39
        +1
        Yuri, famously said. + 1000
  37. mabuta
    mabuta 26 February 2014 16: 59
    +1
    Everything has been abandoned in the West to fight Russia. The media of our sworn partners are pouring streams of lies and hypocrisy doing everything to win the information war. And all the calm and truthful arguments of the Russian leadership is perceived as weakness. Maybe it's time to respond? After all, all the movements of the Western leadership are aimed only at returning us to the 90s + Yeltsin in the bargain. Then they will gladly drown us in their own blood. And for this they will not regret any money, and there are a dime a dozen of venal people.
  38. innei
    innei 26 February 2014 17: 01
    +1
    Quote: Kuvabatake
    I would very much like to help the people of Ukraine ... yes But it is to help, and not to do everything for them. They shouted, shouted, and in fact, in Simferopol, few people came out against the Maidan. So the majority is happy with everything. Why should we vomit ??? what request

    Why are you doing that? He himself with a mustache, "so mustachioed let them try." Again they will get tired and will curse everyone who does not get there.) All that is not to do is just not to work, but to say that everyone around is angry and the poor country is sitting in its buttocks because of her Gentlemen of the Americos. ashamed to look at myself))))
  39. Suhov
    Suhov 26 February 2014 18: 42
    +3
    http://vk.com/russdem
  40. Cynic
    Cynic 26 February 2014 18: 49
    +1
    Strange people . After all, this is an axiom _ They are responsible for the market!
    There is a desire . no desire, but they answer. To the fullest!
  41. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 26 February 2014 19: 58
    +2
    In the classics of world politics, such a tactic — bending your line, using even your weaknesses and even the strength of your competitors — is called the “Stalinist bazaar”.

    At the wrong time, Stalin left ... Khrushch after him pardoned the Banderaites, they did not put pressure on them! Now - the result ...
  42. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 26 February 2014 20: 06
    0
    If the southeast is still just chattering, then in Crimea the situation is really serious and the protection of our military facilities must be strengthened, you can expect provocations from the Banderlog and their accomplices at any moment. The inaction of pro-Russian politicians and citizens is now tantamount to death, if they want to join Russia, they urgently need to prepare the necessary documents. To drive the jackals from the Mejlis into holes for a special period.
  43. Borus017
    Borus017 26 February 2014 20: 20
    0
    An excellent article - and a life example: a nerd boy to a gopnik boy "But I can't fight you, this is not legal and not of cultures ..." Tyuk!
  44. msv
    msv 26 February 2014 20: 46
    +1
    Quote: 23424636
    It is necessary to look at the situation if the Baptist Turchynov lets NATO troops immediately move towards them as in 39 in Poland only without papers / Molotov-Robentrop Pact / and there is always a reason. If it is quiet, they themselves will climb to visit Vova: all this company is dancing around the pipe and behind the pipe, Not one hetman left calmly: they were either killed or expelled, Metropolitan Cyprian fled with his pulpit to Vladimir in the 14th century for a reason, knowing that there was The kingdom of turmoil and discord reigns. It is a pity only the Russian-speaking people that in this silence the Judas will make a Baltic experiment on them.


    I don't quite agree. Today NATO is incapable of conducting military operations without the United States, let alone actually deploying troops. Be that as it may, Russia preempts everyone in the deployment of the grouping, and make a no-fly zone over the territory of Ukraine - so it is practically there from the air defense and air forces located in Bellorussia and the Central Military District, ZVO RF.
    No, NATO and the United States will not compete in military force.
    But if the troops are brought in prematurely, you can get other unpleasant and irreversible consequences.
  45. skolotkerch
    skolotkerch 26 February 2014 20: 57
    0
    I myself am from Kerch, the east of Crimea, but I am a migrant worker in Russia. And all the time from the Russians, I hear why you will not leave the whole Crimea in the Russian Federation. And I remind them of 92-94 when Russia, represented by EBN, asked all Russians not only in my native Crimea, but throughout the former Soviet Union. They tell me that then the alkanaut was in power, and VVP is waiting for the end of the Olympics and will say its weighty word, well, the end has come, but what exactly?
    1. Umnichka
      Umnichka 26 February 2014 21: 36
      0
      I really hope that the way home this time will take place and will be as anemic as possible (it will not be completely bloodless) ...
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  46. exiv200gt
    exiv200gt 26 February 2014 21: 00
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    Quote: Farmason
    Yes, I feel sorry for the people who live there and suffer from this mess, in the west, in the east. But that was their choice.

    Perhaps I disagree with you. This choice was for the most part imposed.
    This is what Khrushchev's son-in-law, Adzhubei, writes about a trip with Khrushchev in the autumn of 1953 to the steppe zone of Crimea. There Nikita Khrushchev was pretty impressed by the crowds of immigrants who complained that there was not enough food and there were problems with housing. The "new" Crimeans mainly came from Russia, from the Volga, from the northern Russian regions. “This is what I am writing now,“ we have arrived, ”writes Alexei Adzhubey, and they shouted:“ They drove us in. ”Complaints were heard from the crowd:“ potato does not grow here, ”“ the cabbage is withering, ”and“ the bugs are stuck. ”“ Why did you go there. ? "- asked Khrushchev, and the crowd breathed out:" Deceived. "
  47. msv
    msv 26 February 2014 21: 14
    0
    Quote: exiv200gt
    Quote: Farmason
    Yes, I feel sorry for the people who live there and suffer from this mess, in the west, in the east. But that was their choice.

    Perhaps I disagree with you. This choice was for the most part imposed.
    This is what Khrushchev's son-in-law, Adzhubei, writes about a trip with Khrushchev in the autumn of 1953 to the steppe zone of Crimea. There Nikita Khrushchev was pretty impressed by the crowds of immigrants who complained that there was not enough food and there were problems with housing. The "new" Crimeans mainly came from Russia, from the Volga, from the northern Russian regions. “This is what I am writing now,“ we have arrived, ”writes Alexei Adzhubey, and they shouted:“ They drove us in. ”Complaints were heard from the crowd:“ potato does not grow here, ”“ the cabbage is withering, ”and“ the bugs are stuck. ”“ Why did you go there. ? "- asked Khrushchev, and the crowd breathed out:" Deceived. "


    Well, in general, there was no defense of the Crimea and Sevastopol. And our grandfathers died there so simply in vain.
    Come to your senses, comrade.

    No, I'm sorry I didn't finish, I take the words back
  48. msv
    msv 26 February 2014 21: 25
    +2
    Simferopol was in full swing today. The Tatars blocked the Supreme Council of Crimea, ours defended it.
    The main demand of the Tatars was to support the new government and not vote on the withdrawal of Crimea from Ukraine. The meeting did not take place.
    But what is significant:
    - The Chechen diaspora of Crimea supports the Russians.
    - The head of Tatarstan of the Russian Federation appealed to the interlis of the Crimean Tatars with an appeal to prevent conflicts with Russians in Crimea.

    And all these steps are pressure. Quiet, consistent.
    Another problem: There are a number of deputies in the Supreme Soviet of Crimea who are not ready for decisive action, as I said piss and serut.
    1. Umnichka
      Umnichka 26 February 2014 21: 42
      +1
      There is information that Kadyrov went to Crimea to provide assistance to the Russian-speaking population. If everything works out as a result - GDP is great. After all, this is a trump card in the sleeve. Kadyrov will talk to the Tatars, let them have autonomy there, for example. This is not the main thing for us, we strategically need Crimea.
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    3. Setrac
      Setrac 26 February 2014 21: 48
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      Quote: msv
      But what is significant:
      - The Chechen diaspora of Crimea supports the Russians.

      The Chechens have gone through this, now they will be our most loyal supporters for a long time.
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