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Mikhail Leontyev: “There are no circumstances that allow Ukraine to avoid civil war”

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Mikhail Leontyev: “There are no circumstances that allow Ukraine to avoid civil war”West loves to betray his lackeys, but Yanukovych is not touched


In Ukraine, everything goes smoothly, as it went. This is called "the collapse and degradation of the Ukrainian state." Each of the participants in the process introduces its own identity. Tymoshenko will now introduce a lot of originality, and before that, Yanukovych introduced an identity. At one time, Kuchma found the only person in Ukraine who might not win over Yushchenko. Actually, this was his task, and he almost coped with it.

After the so-called “Orange Revolution”, the customers of the Ukrainian project, that is, the “Washington Regional Committee”, realized that this was a unique frame, and decided to use it.

Yanukovych is a man who was supposed to disavow and disorganize the pro-Russian South-East of Ukraine. He did it. All real figures who could lead the pro-Russian “anti-Maid” process were intimidated, expelled and imprisoned. I, in particular, mention Igor Markov, who is still sitting. He went to jail for hitting Bandera’s face. Moreover, it was seven years ago, and now Bandera has been amnestied several times, immediately after their shots at Berkut.

I think no serious reprisals threaten Yanukovych. Yes, the West loves to betray its lackeys, but Yanukovych is not touched if they are in control of the situation.

Moscow’s position is worthy, but not claimed by anyone

We now turn to the Russian position. She is unique. There is an ideology of legitimacy that emerged in the time of Nicholas I. We then defended legitimate political systems, that is, the legitimate authority of European monarchies, saving them one after another. They were vicious enemies of Russia who used our help to stick a knife in our back during the Crimean War. But Nicholas I was a romantic and idealist, and I think Vladimir Vladimirovich is pragmatic, so if Russia demonstrates legitimacy in the foreign arena, then this is the best cover for our policy.

I would like to see this policy, but it is not yet visible. I am extremely bad at revolutions, but no matter how I treat them, I must admit that to remain in the legal field means to be alone. No one except Russia acts in the legal field: neither the opposition, nor the West, nor the radicals, nor the Eurocentrists — no one. In the legal field the wind whistles, and Russia walks there without meeting anyone. The position of Moscow is worthy, but not claimed by anyone.

“The Ukrainian Winter” was provoked by the same guys as the “Arab Spring”

In Ukraine, the collapse of a non-subject state is underway. The “Ukrainian Winter” was provoked by the same guys as the “Arab Spring”. They acted according to the principle "we will demolish power, and then we will figure it out." But for this you need to have actors who are then able to deal with the situation. In Egypt, unlike in Ukraine, there is a state and an army. In Ukraine, there is no state or army, and it is impossible to drive the Nazis back.

These people will not leave. They do not care - that Tymoshenko, Yatsenyuk, that Klitschko. This is a dirty foam that cannot fall. They will not return to their jobs to work as loaders and sellers in tents, and so on. This is not the oligarchic capital, which rolled itself dough and moved away. These are the real fascists, the Nazis not only from the point of view of ideology, but also from the standpoint of social mentality, that is, pure lumpen. With them nothing can be done. This is a political verdict, and there are no circumstances in which Ukraine can avoid civil war.

Maybe the civil war will be local. Power in the western regions captured by the Nazis, now it will try to legitimize. How to reconcile the South-East, it is impossible to understand. Previously, the circumstances that allowed to do this were connected with the personality of Yanukovych. He created the conditions under which the Southeast was physically, morally and politically beheaded. And now I am afraid of the appearance in the East of figures adequate to Yarosh in psycho-type and political outlook.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 26 February 2014 12: 39
    +16
    The West doesn’t care who will rule in Ukraine, the most important thing is that they rule in the interests of the West, and he will send his instructors, consultants, this was tested on the collapse of the USSR, then various ub.blucks from the states advised both Kozyrev and Shavornadze and Berezomsky and figures from the economy !!! They want to do the same in Ukraine, they will prompt what needs to be done to break up industry, how to restore constitutional order in the south-east of Ukraine !!! But in reality they will drive Ukraine into the state of the Middle Ages !!! And choose all to the people, whether he wants it or not! Look at the Baltic states, Bulgaria, Poland, Hungary, the former Yugoslavia torn apart by European integrators and draw conclusions, but do you need this ???
    1. ddmm09
      ddmm09 26 February 2014 13: 42
      +5
      We need more effective means of combating enemy propaganda. Otherwise, we risk falling into the time of troubles for an even greater period of "time of trouble" than it was after perestroika.
      This is only a struggle for survival.
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 26 February 2014 15: 13
        +11
        ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!!

        The Americans openly announced their intervention, the invasion of Ukraine.



        US Marines sent to Kiev to strengthen security at the US Embassy. This, as the Voice of America reports, said State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki.

        She did not specify exactly how many foot soldiers arrived in the Ukrainian capital ...
        http://warfiles.ru/show-49204-...
        --------------------------

        Who will give this legal assessment? Where is Russia?
        This is a declared open invasion, intervention.

        There is a precedent. Why not Russia send a couple of armies to Ukraine to protect its embassy?
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 26 February 2014 16: 41
          +2
          Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
          The Americans openly announced their intervention, the invasion of Ukraine.

          The answer of the GDP "curly road":
          Supreme Commander-in-Chief, President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin on Wednesday set the task of the Ministry of Defense to conduct a sudden comprehensive check of the combat readiness of the troops and forces of the Western and Central military districts, as well as a number of combat arms, said Russian Defense Minister Army General Sergei Shoigu.

          "In accordance with the order of the President of the Russian Federation today in 14: 00 the troops of the Western military district, as well as the formations and military units deployed on its territory, the 2 Army of the Central Military District, the command of the Aerospace Defense, the Airborne Forces, the Far and Military Transport are suddenly raised by alarm aviation", - said Shoigu at a meeting at the Russian Defense Ministry.

          According to him, Putin instructed to check the ability of the troops to act in resolving crisis situations that pose a threat to the country's military security, as well as anti-terrorist, sanitary-epidemiological and technogenic character.

          Verification will be carried out from February 26 to March 3 in two stages.


          It will be surprising if the BTA brings Chinese troops to the border!
          bully
          1. viach
            viach 26 February 2014 19: 47
            -3
            At the level - hey! Hey, there you are! Stop! And they, right away, trembled with fear! OH OH OH!
          2. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 26 February 2014 20: 41
            0
            Quote: Rus2012
            It will be surprising if the BTA brings Chinese troops to the border!
            bully

            And I won’t be surprised if that happens.

            1. The Chinese invested a lot of money in Ukraine, it was not without reason that they announced that they would sue 3 billion dollars in court in Ukraine, just a day after Yanuk’s flight.

            2. China has recently realized its strength and no longer makes loud statements with shaking fists, as Iran, North Korea, Venezuela like it, the Chinese just take it and do it, and then they just put everyone in front of a fact, and the slightest objection is followed by the question "And what will you do about this? "

            So the joke is a joke, but .... go know request
            1. diff
              diff 26 February 2014 21: 15
              +2
              China did not invest, but paid for a specific product, that is, for grain. And while the DPRK made an advance payment of something about 130 million.
              But all the same, the glad of grandmothers did not find ... Victor, where are the grandmas ...
            2. rezident
              rezident 26 February 2014 22: 17
              -3
              The Chinese, until they reach Ukraine, will trample half of Russia for their wabble.
            3. albolo
              albolo April 2 2014 21: 21
              0
              You are absolutely right about China! The guys silently, quietly, quietly take almost the whole world under control. Their actions in the world are very similar to those of "unknown polite military men" in Crimea. Russia needs to spit on everything and with the help of these "unknown polite" return all RUSSIAN lands home! And this is the southeast and south of today's Russia, until 1922-24, EXCLUSIVELY Russian provinces.
              But Ukraine itself, can go wherever it wants!
              In a decent family, in case of a divorce, the spouses leave with what they owned before marriage, and only what they have shared is shared. Here Russia must return HER!
              And the Chinese are great! The Chinese did not slip to "perestroika" and the subsequent "skirmish", the Chinese did not slip to the desecration of their history, the Chinese did not disgrace and did not renounce Mao Tse Tung, although they somewhat deviated from his policy.
              Note! Only in Russia will they trash their previous rulers! Nowhere in the world is there anything like it! In the USA, Truman dropped nuclear bombs on Japan - a progressive leader! In Spain, the fascist Franco, in Finland the fascist Mannegraim, in Poland the fascist and friend of Hitler Pilsudski - respected and respected figures of the history of these countries! And only in Russia, Stalin - one of the great three - was turned into a scarecrow by the efforts of the liberals! Although, compared with the same Churchill, Stalin is white and fluffy!
        2. polida
          polida 26 February 2014 17: 26
          .
          You went against the Americans ???
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 26 February 2014 21: 38
            +2
            Quote: polida
            You went against the Americans ???

            - So what? And what about? Well, come out - and so what? P ... duley, as always, as usual - that in the Far East and the north of Russia during the Civil War, that in pseudo-random clashes after the Second World War in the territory of conquered Germany, that in Korean, that in the Vietnam War - Russians out of habit rush to the Americans, and all business ... What is the question? Are you outraged that the Americans will roll the lyuley again? Yes, don’t worry, Americans don’t get used to it - for the above-mentioned wars they’ve got used to it, they will get rid of and wipe off this time, and they will calm down.
        3. GSH-18
          GSH-18 26 February 2014 19: 32
          -4
          Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
          US Marines sent to Kiev to strengthen security at the US Embassy.

          What the hell is an American invasion ?! !! Stop the tantrum! Amers simply want to protect their embassy, ​​which, as practiced in international diplomatic practice, is (interchangeably) part of the United States on the territory of Ukraine. What legal assessment can be given to standard diplomatic actions ?? What does Russia have to do with it? States are afraid of your maydaunov. Learn to use your own head.
          1. mihasik
            mihasik 26 February 2014 20: 49
            +3
            The Canadian Embassy was attacked, but along the way they were only happy with the Maydan. What are Americans afraid of? We would have framed, the salsa and the vodka would have grunted. Well, we’d shout together, already feel embarrassed: Hai tsvite bandera wukraine!)
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      1. PPL
        PPL 26 February 2014 14: 27
        +7
        zart_arn RU Today, 14:01 PM ↑
        Article came out
        Today, 13: 33
        and the comment appeared
        AVV (1) Today, 12: 39

        So the material of the article is not today.
        ... I will mention Igor Markov, who is still sitting

        February 26, Igor Markov released from Odessa prison
        http://ru.tsn.ua/politika/sud-osvobodil-skandalnogo-deputata-markova-iz-pod-stra
        zhi-351453.html
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 26 February 2014 14: 20
      +1
      Quote: Author Mikhail Leontyev
      Nicholas I was a romantic and idealist,


      That is why the people called him Nikolai Palkin

      Well, thanks enlightened. And I thought Krymskaya lost because of the lack of a steam fleet, rifles and guns, because of the slave system in Russia, because of military settlements and bullying of soldiers, and it’s smelly like because of romance, now it’s clear.
      1. Net
        Net 26 February 2014 14: 39
        +12
        It's not about the rifles. And the fact that for this war Russia was alone. How did the European monarchies repay us for their salvation from revolutionary uprisings in their time? The same Austria-Hungary threatened war and forced to keep a significant number of troops on the border instead of sending them to Sevastopol. Even the "sworn" friends England and France united in this campaign to the East. This is a loss for Russian diplomacy.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 26 February 2014 15: 03
          +1
          Quote: Netto
          It's not about rifles. And the fact that Russia was alone in this war.


          The rubber stamp, but I repeat, we have two allies, the army and navy. The point is in rifles, the British with impunity shot our squares already operating in a loose system. Read the story at last, half a million Russians died and 20 French
          1. Sour
            Sour 26 February 2014 16: 02
            +14
            Quote: Vadivak
            and the French 20

            Have we fought with the French alone in this war?
            Do not distort. It's not beautiful.
            I put you a plus for the first post on the reasons for the defeat. But I will not put more advantages.
            Quote: Vadivak
            half a million Russians died

            It's a lie. Russia simply could not physically lose so many people. You already lie, but know the measure. The main battles were in Crimea, the entire Crimean group of Russian troops did not exceed 150 thousand. Losses on other theater are insignificant. Stop lying, it's ugly.
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 26 February 2014 16: 48
              +1
              Quote: Sour
              It's a lie. Russia simply could not physically lose so many people.


              For your information, the war called Crimean went from 1853 to 1856 and the fighting was carried out from the Caucasus to the Danube, I also brought non-combat losses and not only soldiers but civilians killed mainly by Turks
              Quote: Sour
              I put you a plus for the first post on the reasons for the defeat. But I will not put more advantages.


              I will survive somehow
              1. polida
                polida 26 February 2014 17: 38
                -4
                Read Tarle - shoulder straps are not a sign of the mind
                1. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 26 February 2014 17: 43
                  +4
                  Quote: polida
                  Read Tarle


                  Natalya, what are you talking about?
                  1. Net
                    Net 26 February 2014 18: 03
                    +2
                    E.V. Tarle - Crimean War. Excellent work on the Crimean War.
                    1. Vadivak
                      Vadivak 26 February 2014 19: 13
                      +3
                      Quote: Netto
                      E.V. Tarle - Crimean War. Excellent work on the Crimean War.


                      What am I talking about?

                      Quote Tarle - Tsarism began and he lost this war, having discovered his failure both in the diplomatic field and in organizing military defense of a state that suffered from a technical backwardness
                  2. xan
                    xan 26 February 2014 22: 47
                    0
                    Quote: Vadivak
                    Natalya, what are you talking about?

                    brake you, that's what.
                    about losses at least read Wikipedia, an anti-Russian resource by the way
                2. Bootlegger
                  Bootlegger 27 February 2014 10: 18
                  +1
                  look at the city hall of my city. the comment is redundant. I will return home. I will kill them; I will kill their relatives; I will burn them at home and sprinkle salt on the ashes. I learned to fight in Bosnia; I live there now but am going home faster.
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          2. philippov
            philippov 26 February 2014 19: 30
            +7
            Quote: Vadivak
            half a million Russians died and 20 French

            No need to fantasize, if you refer to a story, then give real numbers.

            "During the Crimean War, France lost 10 people killed and 240 dead from wounds, England - 11 and 750, Turkey - 2755 and 1847, and Sardinia - 10 and 000 people. In total, the coalition troops suffered irrecoverable losses of 10 Thousands of soldiers and officers. The losses of the Russian army in killed were about 800 thousand people, and those who died from wounds - about 12 thousand, which gives a total combat irrecoverable losses for Russia in 16 thousand people. Mortality from disease was much higher. During the Crimean War from disease. killed 47,5 30 French, 16 46 British, 75 thousand Turks, 535 Sardinians (Piedmontese). Thus, the non-combat irrecoverable losses of the coalition countries amounted to 17 225 people. In the Russian army died from diseases 24,5 2166 Russians. In total, in the Crimean War non-combat irrecoverable losses were 119 times higher than combat ones. " "One Hundred Great Wars" Sokolov B.V.
          3. Cherdak
            Cherdak 26 February 2014 20: 44
            0
            Quote: Vadivak
            Read the story at last, half a million Russians died and 20 French



            This is especially for you - write that, according to reliable historical data, the Russian dodecalion was killed (not to be confused with latrine - this is to the killed sailors) and take the treatment broth. Watch your pulse!
          4. CALL.
            CALL. 27 February 2014 13: 27
            0
            Quote: Vadivak
            half a million Russians died and 20 French

            The second French empire France - 97 365 dead, died from wounds and diseases; 39 injured
            Ottoman Empire Ottoman Empire - 45 dead, died from wounds and diseases
            United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland Great Britain - 22 602 dead, died from wounds and diseases; 18 253 injured
            Sardinia Sardinia - 2194 dead; 167 injured
            Russian Empire Russia -
            according to general estimates of 143 thousand dead:
            25 thousand killed
            16 thousand died of wounds
            89 thousand died from diseases [3]
            Elementary, from Wikipedia
          5. Antitolerast
            Antitolerast 29 March 2014 20: 58
            +1
            Good to starve))) Go hungover ... In short, it was like this: the Russian Empire lost 500 people, of which 000 were Russians, the rest were "western dill". On that we will decide am . Do not make people laugh, do not write nonsense anymore. And then the following estimates of losses from you may concern the Second World War, and I'm afraid what losses of Russians you will reveal to the whole world)))
        2. shatu
          shatu 26 February 2014 16: 57
          +5
          This is a loss of Russian diplomacy.

          The diplomats did not have a single chance.
          As from time immemorial, the Anglo-Saxons considered us "Eastern barbarians", and they still think so. And all agreements, figuratively speaking, are signed with fingers crossed and holding a dagger behind his back.
          1. Net
            Net 26 February 2014 17: 07
            +1
            During this entire war, the Anglo-Saxons did not even take the 3rd bastion of Sevastopol, in fact, the only goal set by the united command. But why did the French so suddenly become their allies? This is a whole chain of mistakes made by diplomacy, of course, with the approval of the tsar, who played with the "European gendarme of Europe." You can read a lot on this topic.
      2. Poppy
        Poppy 26 February 2014 14: 58
        +3
        you were very wrong

        moreover, they did not lose the Crimean War, but reduced it to a draw
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 26 February 2014 15: 19
          +3
          Quote: Poppy
          you were very wrong
          moreover, they did not lose the Crimean War, but reduced it to a draw


          What version is this?

          in this war. Russia has signed the Paris world with humiliating and disadvantageous conditions. The authority of the country has fallen tremendously. The Black Sea from our lake became neutral, Russia lost the preemptive right to patronage the Christian subjects of the Ottoman Empire, the navy was liquidated, the path to the successes of England and France in Hong Kong or Senegal lay through the destroyed bastions of Sevastopol. Russia dropped out of the struggle for the colonies. Shortly after the Crimean War, England and France attacked China. Having achieved a more impressive victory over him, they turned this giant into a semi-colony. By 1914, the occupied or controlled countries accounted for 2/3 of the globe.

          The Crimean War clearly demonstrated to the Russian government that economic backwardness leads to political and military vulnerability. Further economic lag behind Europe threatened with more serious consequences.
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      4. polida
        polida 26 February 2014 17: 31
        0
        Lost because they are behind !!!
        And they were victorious or were glad to include the world
    4. zanoza
      zanoza 26 February 2014 14: 39
      +2
      There are circumstances, somehow the arrival of the Black Sea Fleet in the Crimea,here is a direct INTERES of Russia, intervene in the events in Ukraine. In case of anything, there will be no where to put it, large ships will be scattered across other fleets, and a trifle will be sent to the berths of Novorossiysk, Tuapse, well, in Sochi, probably ... And they’ll call it Black Sea Flotilla ...
      Horror takes from such blasphemous thoughts and thoughts ...
      Now maydanuty will share ministerial portfolios and will deal with how to give this issue, and even ask the West for money for this issue.
      To the South of Russia from Moscow and St. Petersburg, UNTILYou can drive partially through the territory of Ukraine (plot of 50-60 km). Can you imagine the barricades at the entrance to these sites? The railway divides a couple of villages into the Ukrainian part and the Russian part: the station and our tracks, and immediately after the tracks the territory of Ukraine. There are a lot of such common ground on the ground. State border, while, symbolic, BUT, you can expect everything from these rabid banderlogs.
      Somehow I do not wantso that our government and the President contemplate on the events in Ukraine without taking concrete and effective measures.
    5. matross
      matross 26 February 2014 16: 52
      +4
      Quote: AVV
      The West doesn’t care who will rule in Ukraine, the most important thing is that they rule in the interests of the West, and he will send his instructors, consultants, this was tested on the collapse of the USSR, then various ub.blucks from the states advised both Kozyrev and Shavornadze and Berezomsky and figures from the economy !!! They want to do the same in Ukraine, they will prompt what needs to be done

      Not at all! With all due respect! The seizure of power by the Nazis and thieves with prostitutes - two big differences! There will be consultants, of course, but Yarosh and his gopa will not take any consultations from them except bablos! Lumpen stormtroopers are kidnapped by their interests, they have their own - pogroms, murders, humiliations, robberies and sabbaths - and no one has the means to put pressure on them, the "parasitism proletarians" have nothing to lose, except chains, of course. Moreover, the chains exist only in their heads! This Makhnovism can only be burned out! But whoever takes it up will get Ukraine. Or what is left of her.
    6. viach
      viach 26 February 2014 19: 39
      0
      Who! Who will watch and draw conclusions? I AM? And without you, I am against the Nazis. Active and concrete work is needed. Yes, at the state level. Russia? But aren't they late? And here is a hundred, another will speak out and that's it! AND EVERYTHING !! PANCAKE !!!
      1. matross
        matross 26 February 2014 23: 28
        +1
        Quote: viach
        there are a hundred, the other will speak out and that's it! AND EVERYTHING !! PANCAKE !!!

        Do not pour boiling water! This is a forum, decisions are not made here. I’m sure the Motherland will not abandon sons!
    7. Foreman49
      Foreman49 April 6 2014 18: 47
      0
      The agenda of the Ukrainian Army, as an instrument of isolation in the barracks of activists of the South-East.
      Now it is necessary to seize the initiative and use them in defense of the rights of political prisoners in Ukraine and the violation of civil rights of the South-East. In Chile - stadiums, in Ukraine - barracks!
  2. Manager
    Manager 26 February 2014 13: 37
    +2
    There is a circumstance. Crimea and Sevastopol depart Russia, and the rest of the city worship the Nazis. That's all.
    1. sinukvl
      sinukvl 26 February 2014 13: 41
      +16
      Do not forget about the East of Ukraine, these are also our lands transferred to the Ukrainian SSR in the 30s
      1. typhoon7
        typhoon7 26 February 2014 19: 00
        +1
        Quote: anrykaluga
        All this just wants to hardly work! Look online the squares of Simferopol there Tatars shout "Crimea-Ukraine" !!! There are a lot of them and they blocked the entrance to the Duma in order to exclude the question of secession! There are no Russian flags (yet)! Kharkov, too, do not understand how it expresses its point of view. It even seemed to me that there are even more Maidanists than their opponents! ... In my opinion, over the years we have simply lost support there ... The indistinct position of Russia has led to the fact that the East simply does not want to stand up for Russia !!! That's the whole reason ... Thank you to our diplomatic service for the fact that we missed Ukraine and appointed diplomats who were silent and did not report on what was happening over the past decades.

        Perhaps this is so, but it is impossible to give up the east of Ukraine under any circumstances. It will be a huge military-political defeat for Russia, as well as the US Navy in Sevastopol, NATO military infrastructure on the Crimean peninsula, missiles, strategists, etc. that it will hit the morale of the people very much. There is no doubt that the fifth column will raise its head. This is the case when it is simply impossible to backtrack, because further the expanses of Russia.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 26 February 2014 21: 56
          +1
          Quote: typhoon7
          Perhaps this is so, but it is impossible to give the east of Ukraine under any circumstances. It will be a huge military-political defeat for Russia, as well as the US Navy in Sevastopol, NATO military infrastructure on the Crimean peninsula, missiles, strategists, etc.
          - it is also impossible to divide Ukraine - when Ukraine's nuclear weapons were taken away, the USA and Russia became GUARANTEES of Ukraine's territorial integrity and sovereignty. Russia is not Sharazh's office "Horns and Hooves", which can give guarantees, it can also take them. Conclusion Ukraine should fall into the hands of Russia only entirely and voluntarily. How to do it? But:
          Quote: matRoss
          Yarosh and his gopa will not take any advice from them except for bablos! Lumpen stormtroopers are kidnapped by their interests, they have their own - pogroms, murders, humiliations, robberies and sabbaths - and no one has the means to put pressure on them, the "parasitism proletarians" have nothing to lose, except chains, of course.
          involuntary allies of Russia. It’s possible to tease and provoke them, perhaps to outbid someone among their leaders, in short, Yarosh said something there about the attack of Belgorod, like, it’s a Ukrainian city, we will free it from Muscovites ... Let them attack Belgorod. And then Putin, in his favorite style - remember the invasion of Dagestan or the attack on Tskhinval 080808 - will do everything you need, and GUARANTEES ... And what are the guarantees of territorial integrity to the aggressor state? What are you talking about?
          Take the trouble to find out about Russia's obligations in recent history before posting "let's take Crimea from Ukraine (South-East, Donbass, in general there are options)." And based on this, it is already possible to work out multi-moves in a chess game. Level up. And leave your emotions to the women - let them be surprised, they say, are you against the Americans?
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      1. ovgorskiy
        ovgorskiy 26 February 2014 14: 03
        +9
        The network spread a call to the residents of Crimea
        Sorry that was not the topic, but I couldn’t pass by, I ask the moderators not to delete the link.
        http://russia.ru/id235865/status/3995900000341
        The fate of Crimea is being decided today
        1. sancho
          sancho 26 February 2014 17: 12
          -1
          Unfortunately! But! I’m afraid that GDP will tremble ...
          All this liberal and diplomatic fuss will end with the fact that while "our" top officials will stand aside, funding in Crimea and in the east will quickly end, and the people will lay down their hands ... In contrast to the Banderlog, which is financed in every possible way from overseas and provide direction for action.

          Somehow I can’t believe that VVP will shake its head and begin to "soak" the banderlog in the outhouse, and will want to take back the land of Crimea, sprinkled with the blood of Russian soldiers, on such an excellent occasion.
          And, at once to show everyone who is the owner of the Bear in the house, or shit .. uncle Sam.
          Sad
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 26 February 2014 22: 07
            +1
            Of course, when nuclear weapons were taken away from Ukraine, it was Russia that guaranteed the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine. So killing Banderlog in Ukraine is not for Russia and not for Putin. But to kill the same Banderlog in Russia is another matter and another conversation, this is a SPECIAL OPERATION. It is necessary to make sure that these thugs, Banderlog, on behalf of the Government of Ukraine, attack Russia - whether Belgorod, the ship of the Black Sea Fleet, the Russian Embassy in Kiev ... This is enough to denounce Russian guarantees, and then Putin's hand will not waver - do not be afraid. And now, while the GUARANTEES are in effect, and Russia is not a "Horns and Hooves" office, so that guarantees are simply forgotten or thrown with them. Calm down, he was going to take Crimea. Take it wisely, but not like that, you wanted to, you don't need to eat the mind, you took it and took it away ... At school, behave this way, but on the international arena, adult uncles play.
            1. sergeykms
              sergeykms 8 March 2014 16: 05
              0
              The forecast is very realistic; otherwise it is unlikely to annex Crimea, but there will be casualties, as in Tskhinvali.
          2. sergeykms
            sergeykms 8 March 2014 16: 01
            0
            And he has nowhere to go, then Primakov will fire him from the presidents
      2. Renat
        Renat 26 February 2014 17: 59
        +1
        Horseradish bald and not vodka with bacon. They have nothing. They are the beggars. Hai eat Baltic sprats from brothers in mind with Western chips.
        1. morpex
          morpex 26 February 2014 19: 25
          0
          Quote: Renat
          Horseradish bald and not vodka with bacon. They have nothing

          Renat! You would probably be surprised, but vodka and fat are in abundance. I would suggest you too, but judging by your name you will never get one or the other ... Probably because of this you go crazy?
        2. lt zapasa
          lt zapasa 26 February 2014 19: 47
          +4
          My special thanks to you. Conscience would have raped. Let me remind you if you knew that in an hour Petliura would get hundreds of living lives. I ask you not to speak with me about guns, Zeichhaus and portraits. The Russian writer and the Russian humanist spoke through the lips of a Russian officer. But not a bacon and sprat. As far as I remember - three small stars in a row on the pursuit - in SA - the senior warrant officer. Three times a piece of the Soviet Union. Have a conscience ...
        3. Sandov
          Sandov 26 February 2014 20: 40
          0
          Quote: Renat
          Horseradish bald and not vodka with bacon. They have nothing. They are the beggars. Hai eat Baltic sprats from brothers in mind with Western chips.

          wassat Well, renaissance is just class.
    3. anrykaluga
      anrykaluga 26 February 2014 14: 07
      +4
      All this just wants to hardly work! Look online the squares of Simferopol there Tatars shout "Crimea-Ukraine" !!! There are a lot of them and they blocked the entrance to the Duma in order to exclude the question of secession! There are no Russian flags (yet)! Kharkov, too, do not understand how it expresses its point of view. It even seemed to me that there are even more Maidanists than their opponents! ... In my opinion, over the years we have simply lost support there ... The indistinct position of Russia has led to the fact that the East simply does not want to stand up for Russia !!! That's the whole reason ... Thank you to our diplomatic service for the fact that we missed Ukraine and appointed diplomats who were silent and did not report on what was happening over the past decades.
      1. Manager
        Manager 26 February 2014 14: 51
        +1
        Quote: anrykaluga
        In my opinion over the years we just lost support there ...

        Maybe you're right. He also wondered how many people would support Russia. Rather, entry into Russia.
        1) On the one hand there is mass hysteria, etc.
        2) On the other hand, as he wrote earlier, the treasury of Hohland is empty. And people need both jobs and pensions, etc. The new Ukrainian government will not be able to give this to people for many more years. Therefore, whenever people's stomachs and pockets become empty, I think they will immediately say, "Our Russian brothers," we admit - sinful! Well, again the old song. Only this time there can be no question of a trench, so it will be easier for them to ask for joining. And for some reason the second option seems to me the most plausible. The only question is how economically beneficial will it be for Russia? After all, I take the side of accepting new territories with people. Russia also takes over all problems and debts. In general, we'll wait and see.
        My opinion is that Ukraine cannot be tarnished. And even if a large part of it has already been drained, then you need to at least defend Crimea with Sevastopol as you like!
      2. Sandov
        Sandov 26 February 2014 16: 03
        +1
        Quote: anrykaluga
        All this just wants to hardly work! Look online the squares of Simferopol there Tatars shout "Crimea-Ukraine" !!! There are a lot of them and they blocked the entrance to the Duma

        Airports and railways had to be blocked, banderlogs rushed, so there were more. Without weapons and Russian organizations, rats will destroy them.
      3. Ustian
        Ustian 26 February 2014 16: 40
        +3
        Quote: anrykaluga
        that the East simply does not want to get up for Russia !!!

        He does not want for Russia, let him stand up for himself!
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    5. skeptic
      skeptic 26 February 2014 19: 24
      +1
      Quote: Manager
      There is a circumstance. Crimea and Sevastopol depart Russia, and the rest of the city worship the Nazis. That's all.
  3. Name
    Name 26 February 2014 13: 41
    +7
    Nobody, except Russia, acts in the legal field: neither the opposition, nor the West, nor the radicals, nor the Eurocentrists are nobody.- after all, it’s not Russia that set the rules, and has not yet entered the game. But I really want to hope Ukraine this is the case when one-in-one warrior. So it should be.
    1. zzz
      zzz 26 February 2014 14: 21
      +1
      Quote: name
      Nobody, except Russia, acts in the legal field: neither the opposition, nor the West, nor the radicals, nor the Eurocentrists are nobody.- after all, it’s not Russia that set the rules, and has not yet entered the game. But I really want to hope Ukraine this is the case when one-in-one warrior. So it should be.


      I’ve read the policy here in the next topic:
      Russia began an inventory of its cultural values ​​in Ukraine ... What would it mean?
      1. 120352
        120352 26 February 2014 14: 47
        +5
        It never crossed the mind that General Hoffman invented Ukraine in 1918, and before that it was part of Russia and Russian people lived in it, who called themselves Little Russians. Therefore, all the cultural values ​​of this territory are historically Russian.
        1. zzz
          zzz 26 February 2014 14: 52
          0
          Quote: 120352
          It never crossed the mind that General Hoffman invented Ukraine in 1918, and before that it was part of Russia and Russian people lived in it, who called themselves Little Russians. Therefore, all the cultural values ​​of this territory are historically Russian.


          I know about Ukraine, no worse than you, excuse me ... I wanted to say something else. Maybe there is some intentional action of our specialists here?
        2. polida
          polida 26 February 2014 17: 46
          +1
          And who thought about Kazakhstan
          See the map since 1918
  4. parus2nik
    parus2nik 26 February 2014 13: 42
    +2
    Regarding the policy of Nicholas I, if he did not intervene in Hungarian affairs, the suppression of the Hungarian revolution of 1848-1849, I think the results of the Crimean War would be different ...
  5. saag
    saag 26 February 2014 13: 43
    +1
    Extremely local, if in Sevastopol they will prevail, then all other cities like that Katz will immediately surrender
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 26 February 2014 19: 35
      0
      Sevastopol certainly will not surrender. The Russian fleet is sobering up these marginalists, as long as they dare to break into the Crimea.
  6. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 26 February 2014 13: 45
    +6
    Maidan in the Sumy diocese ...



    China will sue Ukraine for failure to fulfill a contract for the supply of grain for $ 3 billion, the UNIAN agency reports. China has already filed a lawsuit against Ukraine in London International Arbitration Court for damages for the specified amount.
    As noted in the document, the amount of 3 billion dollars was provided to the State Food and Grain Corporation (SFGCU) for the purchase of cereals with their further delivery to China.
    “Contrary to the agreement, grain worth only 153 million dollars was sold to China,” it was reported.
    At the same time, bypassing the agreements with China, but with Chinese money, according to me, the SFGCU delivered $ 28 million in cereals to Ethiopia, $ 14 million in Monaco, $ 7 million to Saudi Arabia, and $ 24 million to Iran dollars, Kenya - $ 11 million, the Philippines - $ 1,5 million, Switzerland - $ 61,9 million, Egypt - $ 26,3 million and Syrian rebels - $ 325 thousand.

    Referring to customs documents, L reports that grain purchases in Ukraine were carried out by SFGCU as to fulfill the Chinese contract, and subsequently the non-Chinese company or the enterprises indicated by it became the recipient of the grain.

    According to the agency, in 2012 the SFGCU and the Export-Import Bank of China agreed to provide a loan to the Ukrainian corporation in the amount of $ 3 billion, which was planned to be directed to forward and spot purchases of grain for further supply to China. The company received the first tranche of $ 1,5 billion in early 2013. The second half of the loan, according to the agreement, is commercial and Ukraine is obliged to purchase Chinese goods by $ 1,5 billion.
    1. 31231
      31231 26 February 2014 14: 16
      +3
      Yes, yes, such inspired intellectual faces of the Maydanites, Onotole Wasserman nervously smokes.
    2. SSR
      SSR 26 February 2014 14: 47
      +7
      I consider it necessary that our respective special services, taking advantage of the confusion in Ukraine, eliminate the fascist from the third video - Sasha’s beaten, who killed our soldiers in our Chechnya.
      1. nomad74
        nomad74 26 February 2014 19: 33
        +1
        Quote: SSR
        I consider it necessary that our respective special services, taking advantage of the confusion in Ukraine, eliminate the fascist from the third video - Sasha’s beaten, who killed our soldiers in our Chechnya.

        I fully support! I just can’t look at this hail!
      2. nomad74
        nomad74 26 February 2014 19: 33
        +1
        Quote: SSR
        I consider it necessary that our respective special services, taking advantage of the confusion in Ukraine, eliminate the fascist from the third video - Sasha’s beaten, who killed our soldiers in our Chechnya.

        I fully support! I just can’t look at this hail!
      3. Sandov
        Sandov 26 February 2014 20: 43
        +1
        Quote: SSR
        I consider it necessary that our respective special services, taking advantage of the confusion in Ukraine, eliminate the fascist from the third video - Sasha’s beaten, who killed our soldiers in our Chechnya.

        I don’t understand why this fraternity still exists and eats Ukrainian lard with vodka. Special services are clearly not in the subject.
  7. Krsk
    Krsk 26 February 2014 13: 46
    +9
    so how to reconcile? with whom? with the Nazis? such can only be fought and it is necessary to do it always and everywhere the world paid a terribly high price for the last attempt to reconcile with Nazism. only complete extermination to zero so that it does not grow anymore
  8. saag
    saag 26 February 2014 13: 49
    +4
    Quote: KrSk
    so how to reconcile? with whom? with the Nazis? such can only be fought and must be done always and everywhere the world paid a terribly high price for the last attempt to reconcile with Nazism

    until 1941 it was somehow reconciled with its existence, and here
  9. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 26 February 2014 13: 54
    +1
    Interestingly, if we imagine that the "Maidan" won, Ukraine was renamed into the 4th Reich, Russia did not intervene, the Nazis are marching in the Crimea and Kharkov, Russians and Russian-speakers are turned into "second-class citizens." How then is "Reich" going to talk with Russia? After all, we still have to talk, the neighbors are all the same. Will we communicate through teeth or "write letters" like in a cartoon? This turns out to be two different systems living in different planes: the Fascist Maidan and even a deck through a stump, but still democratic Russia?
    1. 31231
      31231 26 February 2014 14: 56
      +2
      No need to assume here. It is necessary to help the adequate in Ukraine.
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 26 February 2014 15: 07
        0
        What am I against?
    2. terrible
      terrible 26 February 2014 15: 38
      -4
      ) so they have everything in the program: cut out Russians, seize living space. just like Hitler’s. they’ll also end. bomb Ukraine with nuclear bombs so that no one is left!
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 26 February 2014 20: 23
        0
        Quote: formidable
        ) bomb Ukraine with nuclear bombs so that no one is left!

        Well, it’s you who grabbed it clearly! What are nuclear bombs ?? There are a bunch of our people!
        I don’t put a minus, but I strongly advise you to drink a calming gull.
    3. cdrt
      cdrt 26 February 2014 17: 33
      +3
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Interestingly, if we imagine that the "Maidan" won, Ukraine was renamed into the 4th Reich, Russia did not intervene, the Nazis are marching in the Crimea and Kharkov, Russians and Russian-speakers are turned into "second-class citizens." How then is "Reich" going to talk with Russia? After all, we still have to talk, the neighbors are all the same. Will we communicate through teeth or "write letters" like in a cartoon? This turns out to be two different systems living in different planes: the Fascist Maidan and even a deck through a stump, but still democratic Russia?


      In Ukraine, it’s muddy, but not all fascists. Well worth the feces of Kiselev and the like to pass off as truth.
      There is a revolution and the beginning (possible) of a civil war. There is everything, fascists, nationalists, liberals, communists, our 5th column. All. And all this boils, and seethes. It is clear that the stronger the ultra group, the more efficient it is, but also less attractive to ordinary people.
      This mud is called today Ukraine recourse
  10. Yozhas
    Yozhas 26 February 2014 13: 55
    +15
    Maybe not quite in the subject, but still.
    Today from the news of the Samara region and radio.
    The Togliatti GRU special forces went on a business trip to the Crimea to protect strategic facilities, and also, the Ulyanovsk paratroopers are preparing for the transfer - just in case.

    http://tlt.ru/articles.php?n=1954920
    http://tltgorod.ru/news/theme-36/news-38588/
    1. 120352
      120352 26 February 2014 15: 05
      0
      It’s not necessary to carry nonsense!
      1) Togliatti GRU special forces - this does not exist in nature. Unless, on April 1, in the form of a joke.
      2) sent on a business trip (non-existent special forces) to the Crimea. This can only happen in agreement with the local authority. There is no power. Coordination too. Sending is not possible.
      3) Ulyanovsk paratroopers are preparing for the transfer - delirium for the same reason.
      If we send paratroopers, then, excuse me, either from Ryazan or from Pskov, but not from Ulyanovsk or Tolyatti. But no one sent them either.
      All this nonsense is a PROVOCATION, working in favor of the Hohlofashists.
      1. Normal
        Normal 26 February 2014 16: 17
        +6
        Quote: 120352
        Ulyanovsk paratroopers are preparing for the transfer - delirium for the same reason.

        News from the radio and from the correspondent in Ulyanovsk itself. They say that in the brigade, according to the officers, preparations are underway for the transfer. Delirium is not delirium, but rumors are certain. And it is quite possible that they will be confirmed. We have a military base in Sevastopol and there is a need to strengthen the protection of this base in the current conditions.
        Quote: 120352
        If we send paratroopers, then, excuse me, either from Ryazan or from Pskov, but not from Ulyanovsk ...

        Just the conscripts from Pskov and the cadets from Ryazan did not do anything in Sevastopol, but 31 brigades from Ulyanovsk were staffed by contract soldiers - just that.
    2. nomad74
      nomad74 26 February 2014 19: 39
      0
      Quote: Hedgehog
      Maybe not quite in the subject, but still.
      Today from the news of the Samara region and radio.
      The Togliatti GRU special forces went on a business trip to the Crimea to protect strategic facilities, and also, the Ulyanovsk paratroopers are preparing for the transfer - just in case.

      http://tlt.ru/articles.php?n=1954920
      http://tltgorod.ru/news/theme-36/news-38588/

      Complete disinformation!
  11. kgbers
    kgbers 26 February 2014 13: 57
    +4
    The whole of Western civilization - continuous CHAMELEONISM - without honor and conscience, vile and corrupt. It will take on color only where strength and will are.
  12. ars_pro
    ars_pro 26 February 2014 14: 00
    +7
    I think we need forces that definitely influence the situation in each region of the regional center according to the situation and the system of relations between the authorities and the people, so it is possible to establish overwhelming support for the population in the direction of Russia to draw the right line, the fact is that the power in Ukraine was taken firmly and On the one hand, the authorities are trying something else there, and ordinary people, unlike the organized Maidan, can’t or don’t give their demands as well as in Sevastopol, but I don’t understand what Mlyn’s, and let’s say in Kharkiv that they didn’t allow the Maidan, which had sat down, to be drained, but also did not fulfill the people's aspirations. and by the way, those who sat down advocate the dismissal of dopa and gepa, I don’t understand from the Mlyn that I understand this clever, and other people would take the initiative in their hands the dopa gepu for barks with a pen and paper in a civilized way would write a letter to the Bandera from Kharkovites, and it wouldn’t hurt to write an official appeal to the Russian Federation, oh, but I’m not the only one so smart, we have people worthy of breaking through, on Thursday, law-enforcement officers will have to demand the Maydan’s parliament to cancel the immunity of deputies, somehow rightly if it starts, the deputies rewind the first fishing rods, it’s important, we’ll see how it will develop there, I actually sleep for 4 hours a day, talked with a friend from Kiev and it’s really scary, but I saw a group of liquidators through the window and I won’t be able to leave shmonuyut firmly, they say hope to the southeast. For a long time we did not have such a thing among the Slavs, where we must self-organize not only in the spiritual and mental sphere, but also in developing common solutions, this is a real test for the people. God save your weak Russia before the omnipotent adversary!
    1. 31231
      31231 26 February 2014 15: 07
      +6
      Guys, you need to understand for a long time that you can’t get off with a quiet glanders and your hopes that the RF Armed Forces will just come in and start kneading everyone who is against stupid.
      Here is a clear understanding of what I think and many
      If the people themselves, I emphasize CAM, will not want to defend themselves, the country, their families - everywhere else - our marines will get nothing but a stab in the back.
      Do you remember - "We cannot be more Serbs than the Serbs themselves."
  13. Alexandr 2
    Alexandr 2 26 February 2014 14: 03
    +2
    Yes, Yanukovych went to the presidential election with ideas of rapprochement with Russia. After taking office, he forgot about all the pre-election slogans. He robbed the treasury and ran away. Poor Ukraine For Ukraine, as well as for Belarus, salvation from the West is reunification with Russia. I think Ukrainians and Belarusians will understand everything.
  14. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 26 February 2014 14: 04
    +9
    1. Tomorrow everything will be decided. Let's look at the composition of the "government". If Yarosh and other radicals are there, Russia will not recognize him as legitimate. And Europe may have questions. And Israel is able to connect its lobby, remembering about "beat the Jews." But if Avakov remains at the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and someone from UDAR becomes the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... It will be very, very interesting to see the reaction of the "Right Sector" and others.

    2. If the Government of Crimea tomorrow decides not to recognize Kiev, the beginning of the separation process, etc., if it can control its Ministry of Internal Affairs and SBU, the process will go. Because Russia will support Crimea, directly or indirectly (rather, indirectly). And the example of Crimea, perhaps, will be followed by other regions.

    3. The question is who will ultimately win in Kiev - "professional politicians" led by Tymoshenko and Yatsenyuk, or radicals like Yarosh and Tyagnibok. Their interests will diverge very soon. And then, it is not excluded, the West will try to separate. Everything hinges on whether Europe and the IMF will give money, if so, how much and on what terms. Because if it does not give, or if it does not give enough, Ukraine will have to crawl towards Russia. Whoever is in charge of it. Yatsenyuk and Tymoshenko, by the way, understand this very well, they cannot but understand. They just don't speak out loud, because their own people will not appreciate it.

    That is, there is an option in which the new government of Ukraine will pursue a policy acceptable for the East. Tomorrow, everything will become clear tomorrow.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 26 February 2014 14: 21
      +3
      Quote: Novel 1977
      Tomorrow, everything will become clear tomorrow.

      Regarding the "picture" ...
      But why YESTERD Bandera did not perceive the Russian language as equal?
      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 26 February 2014 14: 52
        +4
        Yesterday they still could not rob ...
        The centurion of Self-Defense took out a valuables car from Mezhyhirya
        A centurion from Maidan engaged in looting in Mezhyhirya. About this on his Facebook wrote Kiev-Maidan, officer Anatoly Traxel (Anatoly Traxel).
        “The appointed“ centurion ”of the 31st hundred of the guards, Valeriy Bilyk, turns out to be not only a cowardly fighter and simply in relations with his fighters, but also a master of looting - he loaded a green Skoda car with jewels from Mezhyhirya with his accomplices, surrendered his powers and fled. I was personally told yesterday that I was appointed by Paruby. We draw conclusions ...
        Bilyk lives in Mostitsky district, the village of Sudova Vishnya, Lviv region, "he added.
        https://www.facebook.com/traxel.t/posts/10201520933972838?stream_ref=10


        However, the "voluntary collection of donations for the heroes of the Maidan" has already begun
      2. SHILO
        SHILO 26 February 2014 14: 59
        +2
        Quote: Corsair
        But why YESTERD Bandera did not perceive the Russian language as equal?


        Why?! They didn’t expect this from Crimea! laughing
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 26 February 2014 15: 05
          0
          Quote: SHILO
          They didn’t expect this from Crimea!

          As far as I know from the info from the network, in Sevastopol today in 14.00-in Moscow (12.00-in Kiev) something must be decided and VERY IMPORTANT ...
          Someone has fresh and TESTED data?
          1. SHILO
            SHILO 26 February 2014 15: 33
            +1
            Quote: Corsair
            Does anyone have fresh and verified data?


            Why do you gossip? Here is a live broadcast of RT

            http://el-murid.livejournal.com/
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 26 February 2014 16: 20
              +1
              Quote: SHILO
              Why do you gossip? Here is a live broadcast of RT
              One thing is clear, the "Tatar card" is being played in Crimea. Kiev apparently intended to solve the problem by relying on the Tatars.
              The rally-crush continues, and if earlier there was "Berkut" between the warring camps, now it is not ...

              Is a "spark" possible in this confrontation, from which a FIRE can break out ???
              1. mike_z
                mike_z 26 February 2014 17: 20
                +2
                Such a spark is easily possible if the Tatars are "turned on". If they begin not to push, but take up arms, then no one will seem a little. It will be just a massacre. And there are circumstances to AVOID civil war - these are attempts to come to an agreement with the Nazis, observe tolerance, humanism, etc. Those. FAILURE to resist force by force. Then there will be no war, they will simply take power, and they will cut out those who disagree, perhaps by the forces of the same Tatars, who will later be blamed on their revenge for the deportation of 1944.
                1. polida
                  polida 26 February 2014 17: 56
                  -6
                  Fear Tajiks. Fear Crimean Tatars
                  A RUSSIAN fear the most - office worm
                2. Corsair
                  Corsair 26 February 2014 19: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: mike_z
                  There are circumstances to AVOID civil war - these are attempts to agree with the Nazis, to observe tolerance, humanism, etc. Those. Failure to resist force by force. Then there will be no war, they will simply take power, and they will cut out the dissent, perhaps by the forces of the same Tatars

                  But we are SUCH an option, well, it does not suit us at all ...TRUE?!?!
                  1. mike_z
                    mike_z 26 February 2014 19: 57
                    +1
                    Quote: Corsair
                    But we are SUCH an option, well, it does not suit us at all ... THE TRUTH?!?!

                    This does not suit you! But! He would have arranged the option when banderlogs understood that there is power, they will be resisted and simply will not climb. Then, civil war can be avoided without loss.

                    Here is what I just received from friends from Sevastopol:
                    They certainly won’t be allowed into Sevastopol, And we already have golden eagles, whose hands are untied, and the armor is on the square, Lvov spoke Russian today, Tyagnibok assures us that the Russian channel is not in danger from the central channel. Frightened, jackals.
                    1. Corsair
                      Corsair 26 February 2014 22: 13
                      +1
                      Quote: mike_z
                      Here is what I just received from friends from Sevastopol:
                      They certainly won’t be allowed into Sevastopol, And we already have golden eagles, whose hands are untied, and the armor is on the square, Lvov spoke Russian today, Tyagnibok assures us that the Russian channel is not in danger from the central channel. Frightened, jackals.

                      Unfortunately, this can only slow down the ghouls for a while ...
                      Gathering strength, they will stupidly carry to the Crimea, they have no other way. They see the last stronghold of Russians in the peninsula and they will not accept this.
                      They will act in a sophisticated, assertive and vile manner, using, among others, the Tatars ...
                      So everything is still to come.
            2. xan
              xan 26 February 2014 22: 49
              0
              Quote: SHILO
              http://el-murid.livejournal.com/

              link to the Tatar resource?
              Can you still offer Bandera, stupid nimble?
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 26 February 2014 14: 52
      0
      Quote: Novel 1977
      Everything rests on whether Europe and the IMF will give money, if so, how much and under what conditions.

      The EU so far promises only 1 billion, and then not immediately and only after agreement with the IMF. There is nothing good for Ukraine ...
    3. Normal
      Normal 26 February 2014 16: 32
      +2
      Quote: Novel 1977
      1. Tomorrow everything will be decided. Let's look at the composition of the "government". If Yarosh and other radicals are there, Russia will not recognize him as legitimate.


      Russia recognizes ANY power in Ukraine. Radicalism is best "cured" by a parliamentary seat. Better yet, ministerial.

      Quote: Novel 1977
      That is, there is an option in which the new government of Ukraine will pursue a policy acceptable for the East. Tomorrow, everything will become clear tomorrow.


      That will be so. Having received power, the radicals will die anti-Russian rhetoric, put on ties and begin to take anti-Russian LAWS. They will work systematically and gradually so as not to provoke resistance from the Russian-speaking population and indignation from Russia. It will be justified by strengthening statehood and the West, as always, will be on the side of anti-Russian forces. So it was already in the Baltic states and in UkrAin itself, and Russia did nothing to protect the Russian language. (Luzhkov’s activity in relation to Sevastopol is an exception to the rule)
      And now Russia, in the person of its leadership, will not do anything from what is proposed here at the discussion.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 26 February 2014 19: 48
        0
        Quote: Normal
        Russia recognizes ANY power in Ukraine. Radicalism is best "cured" by a parliamentary seat. Better yet, ministerial.

        For Russia as a whole, such a turn may be convenient, but what will happen to the millions of OUR people there? The hydra of fascism has already been released, drank blood, and in no case does it stop itself ...
        There is no hope that Nazism will be stopped by the lured "elite" of maydaun and cannot be!
        Only strangle a reptile! Directly in its own cache!
      2. xan
        xan 26 February 2014 22: 52
        0
        Quote: Normal
        Russia recognizes ANY power in Ukraine.

        Hold your pocket wider.
        Russia does not recognize any power until a free referendum on the constitution.
  15. mountain
    mountain 26 February 2014 14: 04
    +3
    Ukraine has many advisers and assistants, consultants, sympathizers and other good intentions. And who is with Russia, who will help her, or in another way, who sympathizes with her and is ready to support WHO? We are alone among the wolves ready to tear into small pieces, what we have mined for centuries. And to make mistakes that we have already passed in our history is not necessary. There is Ukraine and its population and they have in their hands all the levers to the life that they deserve, they decide with whom and where they will trample. And our task is to help those who do not hit the Russian people in the back, as it happened unfortunately more than once. I believe in my government, and not upstairs with a swamp.
    1. Krsk
      Krsk 26 February 2014 14: 08
      +2
      Quote: mountain
      . And who is with Russia, who will help her, or in another way, who sympathizes with her and is ready to support WHO?


      It’s better to be alone than with anyone, and better to starve than anything ...
      1. rus9875
        rus9875 26 February 2014 14: 16
        +7
        the answer to your question has long been known - Russia has only two allies, the army and navy
    2. 31231
      31231 26 February 2014 15: 13
      +4
      And Belarus with Kazakhstan ?! Well, in vain you are. There are many Russian men who are ready to go for relatives in Ukraine. If only this relatives found the strength to go against the ragul.
  16. Maximka7
    Maximka7 26 February 2014 14: 07
    +2
    Russia needs to decide: either to pursue a course of ensuring national interests arising from our geographic location, the global situation as a whole and the confrontation initiated by the West, or reconcile as a whole with a geopolitical defeat in the immediate zone of the country's strategic interests and abandon claims to independence of the foreign policy in Europe.
    However, this does not mean that the only possible method of realizing our interests is force. Not at all. It is just necessary, finally, to decide whether we will continue to focus on inter-oligarchic ties (in this case, the lack of national-industrial financial groups and the antagonism of the state is an axiom) or, nevertheless, we prefer to take informed political decisions in support of national interests based on the analytical work of relevant structures.
  17. RUSS
    RUSS 26 February 2014 14: 08
    0
    Quote: Sandov
    It is better to recognize the independence of the East and South of Ukraine, and let Khokhlostan eat guards with vodka.


    Firstly, first they must declare independence, and secondly, where are those leaders who will lead the independence movement?
    1. Sandov
      Sandov 26 February 2014 17: 21
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      Firstly, first they must declare independence, and secondly, where are those leaders who will lead the independence movement?

      Maybe now they will appear. Look how the Americans rocked the boat. It must still be true to win. After all, power is behind it.
  18. Imperial
    Imperial 26 February 2014 14: 09
    +3
    Tatars blocked V.R. Live broadcast from Simferopol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LFrMcoEm4#t=2265409 Something will happen, here they collect our http://vk.com/club65185936.
    1. 120352
      120352 26 February 2014 15: 16
      +1
      These goons-traitors, that on the roller. it is necessary to return to their places of residence since 1944 or somewhere more comfortable, in Taimyr, for example.
      1. Imperial
        Imperial 26 February 2014 15: 30
        +2
        These goons-traitors, that on the roller.
        This is not a video, this is a live broadcast, Live ns is also on, If we now hand over Simferopol, I think the reaction of "dominoes" cannot be avoided. Crimea hold on !!!
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 26 February 2014 17: 07
        +2
        Quote: 120352
        These goons-traitors, that on the roller. it is necessary to return to their places of residence since 1944 or somewhere more comfortable, in Taimyr, for example.


        There is no need to "pollute" our Taimyr, buy a one-way ticket to Turkey ...
  19. individual
    individual 26 February 2014 14: 10
    +3
    Until 1941, the "fifth" column was cleaned up, and all the same, there were problems above the roof.
    Now any careless step will cause howl and din, both inside Russia and in the world of "friends", where capital is kept and the families of our officials live.
    But the problem of Ukraine must be solved by Russia.
  20. RND
    RND 26 February 2014 14: 11
    +3
    How to reconcile the Southeast with this is impossible to understand. Previously, the circumstances that allowed this to be done were connected with the personality of Yanukovych. He created the conditions under which the Southeast was physically, morally, and politically beheaded. And now I am afraid of the appearance in the East of figures adequate to Yarosh in terms of psychotype and political worldview.

    If a figure opposite to Yarosh does not appear in the East, then the West will be devoured by the Western locust. Peace between East and West is turning into an illusion. It is time to begin to stifle the new "power" with political and economic measures. Odious "figures" like Yarosh and others like him - a quote: "wet in the toilets." And Europ *** s and mattresses - not "Fak in Nuland", but x *** in Russian. Thicker and deeper.
  21. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 26 February 2014 14: 14
    +5
    Therefore, everyone looks back at the amerikosov with apprehension, that if something happens they come to the aircraft carrier, and we are all in the "legal field wandering", and there is already no one to meet ...
  22. Llirik
    Llirik 26 February 2014 14: 16
    +4
    And in my opinion Leontiev is not quite right here. If Sevastopol and Odessa are clamped, then the East of the country will remain silent, at least the authorities in some eastern regions have already begun to give slack.
    If you manage to fight back, then without a lot of blood will not do. If you do not give a rebuff, they will transplant / kill all dissatisfied (Russians, Jews, Ukrainians without disassembling) quietly.
    Any movement on the part of Russia will provide an informational guide on the deployment of anti-Russian actions on all fronts. Silence of Russia will lead to the destruction of the Russian-speaking population, active actions can lead to the division of Ukraine according to a scenario similar to the division of Poland in the 39. In short, it is not visible from our exit level, maybe they are better understood at the top. Let's hope...
  23. infinite silence ...
    infinite silence ... 26 February 2014 14: 19
    +9
    These people will not leave. They do not care - that Tymoshenko, that Yatsenyuk, that Klitschko. This is a dirty foam that cannot sink.


    I will cite the most interesting pearls from the well of wisdom, and at the same time - from the official forum of the presidential candidate of Ukraine Tyagnibok O.Ya. about "Should we let go of Donbass and Crimea."

    - As a native of the East, I can confidently declare that the Ukrainization of Crimea, Donbass, Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson, Krasnoyarsk Rog, Sicheslav, Zaporozhye, Kremenchug, Dneprodzerzhinsk and other Russian-speaking cities is possible only with the help of a totalitarian military dictatorship, repressive measures. This is when the defenders of "bilingualism" will be knocked out their teeth with the rifle butts

    -To create a truly Ukrainian Ukraine in the cities of the East and South, lustration alone will not be enough, for this it is necessary to abolish parliamentarism altogether, ban all political parties, nationalize all industry, all media

    -physically liquidate the entire Russian-speaking intelligentsia and all Ukrainophobes (shoot them quickly, without trial or investigation. Any member of Svoboda can make up a register of Ukrainophobes in their area), execute all members of anti-Ukrainian parties and organizations, not only pro-Russian, but also pro-Romanian, pro-Hungarian, pro-Tatar ...

    - Or organize a new Holodomor for Russian-speaking cities to reduce their population. It is only necessary to first take out the Ukrainian-speaking Ukrainians, whose lists will be approved by the local cells of the VO "Svoboda", to surround the cities with troops, block them, preferably in winter. Turn off gas, electricity, water, shut off the sewer, mobile communications.

    You can continue this list for a long time ... + comments of Bandera to it ...
    Is this a return of FASCISM ??? Does anyone really count on a peaceful settlement of the situation?
    Although ... For a civil war, CITIZENS need ... and indignation in the kitchens, but on the sofas ... an unforgivable luxury now.
    1. infinite silence ...
      infinite silence ... 26 February 2014 17: 18
      +6


      Truth without embellishment ... OUR Guys ... Took on a clean show off.
  24. rus9875
    rus9875 26 February 2014 14: 19
    +5
    there is a circumstance - the indecision of the southeast and the absence of a real leader there A flock of rams headed by a lion is always stronger than a flock of lions headed by a ram
  25. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 26 February 2014 14: 21
    +3
    We can’t live with the Nazis for a long time. The West deliberately surrounds us with fascist regimes. Russia cannot lose the east of Ukraine. Enter troops too. But we can help behind the scenes and support.
    1. 120352
      120352 26 February 2014 15: 19
      +2
      If the East of Ukraine declares its secession and independent status, it will be quite able to ask for our military assistance. Then we can help.
  26. Black
    Black 26 February 2014 14: 22
    +4
    Civil war may not happen.
    The East will be pushed through. Officials are already attending consultations, have announced their participation in the upcoming "elections" - it means that the "Maidan" that has come to power nominally has been recognized. Several hundred active and thinking (but mostly older people) will push through.
    It will be more difficult with Crimea. It's hard to predict. everything will depend on Russia. I would like to have a "roar" from the Kremlin. Crimeans are like air.
    1. infinite silence ...
      infinite silence ... 26 February 2014 14: 58
      +3
      Quote: Chen
      everything will depend on Russia


      Undoubtedly, I would like it to accept the rebellious regions under its protectorate, despite the lingering fits and tantrums of the "world" community.
      It seems to me that this would be the only opportunity to maintain peace and order in the Ukrainian territories populated by Russians.
  27. RUSS
    RUSS 26 February 2014 14: 23
    +1
    Here are the so-called and "maydanutye", who thought and wondered that everything would turn out like this, a month ago, they thought they would shake and dissolve, but no, they will rake the East and only because on the Maidan and in the country as a whole, the "maidan natsiks" there is support for ordinary people tired of living in poverty, believe me, I know what I am writing about, my father-in-law from the Vinnitsa region. and a friend from Kharkov.
  28. skifd
    skifd 26 February 2014 14: 24
    +3
    A "goby" left not extinguished in the forest leads to a fire ... And if there are still "GOOD WAYS" adding firewood .. Pi..pets forest. How do they fight a fire in the forest? They dug in ditches so that they would not fall further, they blow up around the perimeter, preventing the fire from spreading further. First, they save a PART of the forest.

    There is already a HUGE fire in Ukraine. And soon it will be seen whether there are worthy "foresters-fire brigade", or there will be a huge ashes on the site of the "UNLOADED".

    It all started because of the "BANDERLOG BY BULLS" ... "UNEXTENUED" s.ts.u.k.
  29. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 26 February 2014 14: 28
    +1
    Ovsk regional committees have experience, redrawn the whole of Europe. The principle is clear, divide and rule !!!.
  30. Power
    Power 26 February 2014 14: 29
    +3
    Nobody wanders anywhere, Leont'ev, as always, casts a shadow on the wattle fence. There is a drain of the Russian world by the ruling liberals in our country, cosmopolitans. The moment has come when Putin will no longer get rid of patriotic words - things are needed. Mr. Putin is not far Syria, this is our outskirts - wake up, you are next.
  31. PValery53
    PValery53 26 February 2014 14: 32
    +3
    With this shobla, we, the Russians, will most likely have to measure their strength ...
  32. Sigismund
    Sigismund 26 February 2014 14: 39
    +3
    To immediately allocate funds for the organization of PEACE self-defense forces. For the Southeast. To provide EVERYTHING necessary. It is necessary for people who will be in these forces to pay real money. This can be done privately, through businessmen of Ukrainians and Russians. Help the diaspora. And also continue to provide comprehensive assistance.
    1. polida
      polida 26 February 2014 18: 10
      -1
      Manager - you measure human blood in money
  33. 120352
    120352 26 February 2014 14: 39
    +1
    It is impossible to avoid what has already happened!
  34. RUSS
    RUSS 26 February 2014 14: 45
    -1
    Quote: infinite silence ...
    As a native of the East, I can confidently declare that the Ukrainization of Crimea, Donbass, Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson, Krasnoyarsk Rog, Sicheslav, Zaporozhye, Kremenchug, Dneprodzerzhinsk, and other Russian-speaking cities is possible only with the help of a totalitarian military dictatorship, repressive measures. This is when the defenders of "bilingualism" will knock out their teeth with the rifle butts


    It is very similar to the theses of the early Bolsheviks or to the fascists in Germany in the late 30s.
    1. infinite silence ...
      infinite silence ... 26 February 2014 15: 07
      +2
      This is fascism in its pure manifestation.
  35. fregina1
    fregina1 26 February 2014 14: 48
    +6
    Kravchuk, Kuchma and Yushchenko accused Russia of interfering in the affairs of Crimea. 3 Judahs come together ..
    4th is not enough ..
    there is no quorum
    1. infinite silence ...
      infinite silence ... 26 February 2014 15: 19
      +4
      They would be better off being silent !!! Ukraine came into autonomy with an exceptional labor force - all had excellent education and professional training, which allowed them to efficiently exploit both old industries and develop new ones, due to the high intellectual adaptability of the population ...
      During independence (we read: aspiration to the European community) all these abilities of the nation are almost lost. Youth grows poorly educated, unprofessional, armless and apathetic. A significant part of the old qualified specialists emigrated or re-qualified, and during this crisis a significant part of the surviving emigrate, re-qualify (or die) ... and if Bandera’s hand (machine gun butt) is put to this, then you can finally put an end to the country.
      They squandered the country and now they are looking for the extreme!
  36. ars_pro
    ars_pro 26 February 2014 14: 49
    +17
    Guys, sorry, maybe I’ll say not a popular thing, but it’s better WE cut them all out to the point of "giving a damn about everyone" than I’ll watch how they kill and destroy OUR children gradually, imposing Satanism and ecumenism, there is nothing worse than this, and WE will still be humane giving them a quick, lightning-fast death. Banderlog, Yankees, and others like them who rock the boat, sorry for my Chinese!
  37. Ivan750
    Ivan750 26 February 2014 14: 56
    +8
    Hello everybody.
    Wife, on the Internet, found an interesting rhyme.

    Putin: - And we have gas in Russia! And you?
    Yanukovych: - And we have a coup, here.
    Lukashenko: - and our people will not allow a coup!
    Putin: - And we have the Olympics.
    What else is necessary for happiness?
    And all the people rejoice. Here!
    Yanukovych: - And we have a coup. Here ...
    Lukashenko: - But in our country
    Thanks of course to me
    There are neither poor nor rich
    All live only on a salary.
    Putin: - And we are skiing in Sochi
    Everyone will be able to relax.
    Both the official and the worker.
    Here is such a grace!
    Yanukovych: - And we have a coup ... Here.
    Obama: - Well, to me in general, all countries
    They send potatoes, gas, bananas.
    Who will not send bananas -
    That coup. Here ...
    1. yak2689
      yak2689 26 February 2014 16: 52
      +1
      Obama: - Well, to me in general, all countries
      They send potatoes, gas, bananas.
      Who will not send bananas -
      That coup. Here ...
      ===
      Maybe late, maybe early
      Growing up - I'll become Obama!
      To fill a big belly -
      I'll order a coup
      that's it!
  38. mountain
    mountain 26 February 2014 15: 04
    0
    Quote: rus9875
    the answer to your question has long been known - Russia has only two allies, the army and navy

    Against all world powers? We have already gone through everything and have experience, but today we also need to be a strategist and politician, so that everything doesn’t shine, our grandfathers have earned it. So that cap-making does not pass, leave this saying to the grandchildren.
  39. Russ69
    Russ69 26 February 2014 15: 04
    +1
    There is a completely legal and legal way to get into Ukraine.
    But here it is necessary and the Ukrainians will move. Announce a referendum on the exit, in the extreme case of federalization. At the same time, the Russian Federation may well begin to provide diplomatic support. In principle, the West will have nothing to cover, the referendum is a democracy. Then start massive propaganda in the media and nete, all kinds of talk shows, where smart heads should clearly and clearly explain and incline to their side. release of videos, brochures, etc. At the same time, provide the necessary financial support, both officially and not.
    Writing a lot is not a hunt, but there are options. The main thing is to clearly express your position and begin to act, not grind with your tongue ...
    1. skifd
      skifd 26 February 2014 17: 29
      0
      Quote: Russ69
      Announce a referendum on the exit, in the extreme case of federalization.


      Quote: Russ69
      Then start massive propaganda in the media and nete, all kinds of talk shows, where smart heads should clearly and clearly explain and incline to their side. release of videos, brochures, etc.


      Who is capable of this ?? Not visible yet. Crimea, if you can fight off the Tatar-Natsiks and Banderlog, yes. Subject to real (including military) assistance from the Russian Federation. The referendum ... Watch again the video with "Sashko Byaly", How he builds the Rovensky! They are unlikely to be so happy about him. And bz .. eat, and are silent. They are scared. How many of these are in power in Ukraine ??? Until hrlya. For their fear, warm places and money, they will also nominate him for president. And the crap they will be who is in power, the Nazis or someone else. They, mentally pale,
      they will hope that if they don't roll, they will have time to jump off. Yanyk hoped in the same way. But when illustrative examples helped ... And about the Ukrainian media - finally, what a "talk show" ??? Banderlog with Banderlog ?? !!!! Who is there to risk his health now that something to say, except for "Hero SALA" ???? Tin.
  40. groin
    groin 26 February 2014 15: 05
    +5
    No, the guys will not be all the way we think. You won’t solve anything locally (Southeast, Crimea, Don section, etc.). It’s time to solve the issue globally (Syria, Ukraine, the collapse of the ruble, Russophobic propaganda, etc.) , and this is a puzzle over which they rack their brains in Russia, and (if solved) are afraid in the West. The situation in Ukraine didn’t go according to their scenario (the main driving force is beyond anyone’s control), the population is resisting Russia officially doesn’t intervene (but according to the plan, it should). In my opinion, a technique will follow when the enemy’s strength is used against him to put on his shoulder blades for a long time, and preferably always. The Russians harness for a long time, but go fast. (For optimists).
    1. Kazakhstan
      Kazakhstan 26 February 2014 16: 46
      0
      I completely agree.
  41. Free Island
    Free Island 26 February 2014 15: 06
    +2
    finally, at least someone voiced my thought)) well done, Leontyev, five plus. NO ONE ALREADY EXCEPTLY EXCEPT RUSSIA IN THE LEGAL FIELD DOES NOT APPLY)))))))
  42. RUSS
    RUSS 26 February 2014 15: 09
    +1
    Vadivak And I thought Krymskaya lost due to the lack of a steam fleet.

    Remember the victory of the sailing fleet in the battle of Sinop.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 26 February 2014 15: 58
      0
      Quote: RUSS
      Remember the victory of the sailing fleet in the battle of Sinop.

      Above the same Sailing fleet. This is SO, by the way ...
      1. polida
        polida 26 February 2014 18: 16
        -3
        All the guns were bombing - you had to take a chance
  43. Agent 008
    Agent 008 26 February 2014 15: 12
    0
    Why is the President silent? Apparently euphoria from Olympic medals makes it difficult to think ... It's time to say at least something! I think the longer he is silent, the worse for all of us! The Crimean Tatars have already gone on the attack ...
  44. RUSS
    RUSS 26 February 2014 15: 17
    +1
    Quote: Standard Oil
    Interestingly, if we imagine that the "Maidan" won, Ukraine was renamed into the 4th Reich, Russia did not intervene, the Nazis are marching in the Crimea and Kharkov, Russians and Russian-speakers are turned into "second-class citizens." How then is "Reich" going to talk with Russia? After all, talking is all the same


    Either as with the Baltic states for 23 years, or as with Georgia in 2008.
  45. Strashila
    Strashila 26 February 2014 15: 19
    +3
    I read on Lenta.ru ... "Three former presidents of Ukraine - Leonid Kravchuk, Leonid Kuchma and Viktor Yushchenko - reproached Russia for interfering in the political life of Crimea." ... it becomes clear how everything was started ... that is, when they burned alive and they shot the law enforcement officers of the legitimate government, they were silent in the ass ... now they woke up self-awareness of their greatness, began to give assessments ... and, as always, anti-Russian.
  46. Power
    Power 26 February 2014 15: 23
    +2
    Posing as a virgin in a brothel is at least stupid. When playing cards with cheaters, do not be a sucker, use all the tricks, silence and inaction
    Putin makes a depressing impression. Since the time of Gorbachev, going into mud has become a "trademark" style of our worthless leadership. Fear of decision making and personal responsibility. The vertical of collective irresponsibility and general corruption, the people of Ukraine are already paying a bloody price for this. Who is next?
  47. negeroi
    negeroi 26 February 2014 15: 24
    +3
    Мы уже проиграли эту войну.Проиграли наверное почти на всех фронтах.А именно...Начну с аналогий-Сталин выиграл войну ещё до начала войны на своей территории.Что бы ни говорили о жертвах и потярях первых дней войны и первых месяцев,но как бы парадаксально и кощунственно ни звучало,но начало войны 1941 года,была не только трагедией,но и триумфом дипломатии и политики Сталина.Во первых мы не нападали сами,что бы там враги ни кричали,о нашей готовности напасть.Факт есть факт.Учитывая что агрессор неизбежно становился врагом всего мира,Сталин выиграл это очко -получил в союзники весь мир.Пусть на бумаге,пусть формально,но факт есть факт.ДО войны,что бы ни говорили о нашей неготовности к войне,были созданы 3 тысячи промышленных площадок за Уралом и в Сибири.Это и сараи и ангары и бараки и просто бетонированные площади,к которым были подведены коммуникации,эллектричество,вода,газ.В Первую Мировую Россия бездарно,просто лоховски ,провально проводила эвакуацию промышленности,и по сути отдала Германии на блюдечке лучшие промышленные мощности.И менно на них и расчитывал Гитлер.Но Эвакуация-2 была проведена блестяще,что говорит о большой подготовительной работе,что и помогло производить военную продукцию,в первые месяцы войны.И по сути именно это и стало залогом победы.Да,конечно,был и героизм и грабинские пушки,и бериевские миномёты и танки,и самолёты лучшие в мире,и труд женщин и подростков,всё это было,но потом и во время.А ДО войны,была политика,и политически и экономически Сталин выиграл войну ещё до войны.К чему такой экскурс в историю?Для аналогии.Мы насколько я знаю,уже два года как начали программу по экспортозамещению,продукции украинских заводов.Но начать не значит кончить.Мы зависимы от Украинских поставок.Мы в этом проиграли.Мы проиграли политически,как неспособные удержать сателита.Мы проиграли геополитически как страна ,на границе которой назревает гражданская война.Мы проиграли как страна морально обязанная вмешаться в конфликт,но которой это крайне невыгодно,да и невозможно по международным договорам.Но не вмешаться-это тоже проигрыш.Мы получим очередную волну беженцев,на которую по привычке положим из ширинки,поскольку никакие беженцы ничего в России кроме унижения не получают.Ну разве что чиновники прирезают себе земельки выделенной.Мы проиграли финансово,отдавая деньги в яму,из которой не только спасибо нет,но и шлют в пешее эротическое.Мы потеряли огромные банковские средства размещённые в активы на Украине,нашими банковскими гигантами,это неизбежно уже сказывается на рубле и ещё скажется.Мы уже проиграли эту войну,и последствия её будут сказываться ещё долго.Понимаю,что кто то хочет воевать за Справедливость,понимаю тех кто хочет воевать за Правду,не осуждаю тех кто хочет воевать за Добро...но нам война невыгодна,сейчас никакая ни большая ни маленькая,ни даже чужая,которую хочется сделать своей.Сейчас у нас самое худшее положение за всю новейшуюю историю,хуже была только буржуазнаая перестройка,она же поражение в холодной войне,задница со множеством П уже здесь.Мы не готовы к Этой войне.Что мы сделали что бы минимизировать потери?Мы уже проиграли,и за это придётся ещё платить,больно и дорого.Не хочется кликушествовать,но не вижу просвета.Одна надёжа на патриотизм Юли,она хоть и с..стерва короче,но ведь не тупая,душить собственную страну в угоду Западу может и не станет.А запад выигрывает при любом раскладе,как при сохранении нынешней власти и целостности краины,так и при распаде страны.Нам не выгодно ЛЮБОЕ положение,поскольку нестабильность и финансовые потери при любом раскладе,а в ряде раскладов всё ещё хуже.Этот тот случай когда не хочется быть правым,не в политическом плане,а в плане правоты.
    1. Kamarada
      Kamarada 26 February 2014 17: 02
      +1
      in many respects I agree, they battered Our Rod, but the warrior has not been lost yet, and there you do not know how to turn around ............
    2. polida
      polida 26 February 2014 18: 19
      -4
      These are the generals who commanded you
    3. albolo
      albolo April 2 2014 21: 44
      0
      You're right! I am not an ardent supporter of Putin, but my deep bow to him for the Crimea!
      But, Vladimir Vladimirovich, Crimea is natural, just wonderful. Dmitry Kiselev commands respect and the fact that you deservedly promoted him in rank. But how to understand just the WILD domination of foreign agents, liberals and collaborators on FEDERAL channels? How to understand the presence of an open Russophobe and anti-Russian Pozner on Channel One? How to understand the financing of Echo of Moscow by the state corporation Gazprom. Wasn't Putin himself calling "Echo" and Judas Venediktov not oppositionists, but enemies of Russia ??? Why is Russia financing them? Excuse me, I'm not an anti-Semite at all, but why in V. Solovyov's programs are 75-80% of those present - Jews, despite the fact that according to the 2010 census there are only 0,1% of them in Russia? Why?
  48. Stinger
    Stinger 26 February 2014 15: 42
    +2
    Mikhail is a good man, but there will be no civil war. There’s nothing to fight for. With the exception of a few trapped, all beggars. And the war for the throne seems to be over. The main fighter for national happiness died without saying goodbye. In English. The treasury is empty, according to the laws of democratic development. And Western values ​​are all in Cyprus. What to fight for?
  49. Corsair
    Corsair 26 February 2014 15: 56
    0
    “It hurts me for Ukraine-nenko ... I already saw this Bandera in 1947”


    People's artist of the USSR and State Duma deputy Joseph Kobzon, who was born and raised in an independent, decided to contact his fellow countrymen through the Komsomolskaya Pravda

    Full: http: //msk.kp.ru/daily/26199/3086275/
  50. Russ69
    Russ69 26 February 2014 16: 00
    +2
    And who said that GDP does not intervene, he even lit up on the Maidan ... smile
    Berkutovets in the background ...

    1. albolo
      albolo April 2 2014 21: 36
      0
      Of course, Putin! Surely, all the bottles with Molotov's cauldron have his prints! If you look well, you can find Putin's passport on the brutal Maidan!))) It is strange why "First" and "fifth" Bandera channels have not shown this yet! Why is CIA officer Shuster silent !?