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“Victory Name” takes on a different shade. Consolidation of the Russian world

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February 23 started the 5 round of the contest “Name of Victory”, which is held by online voting on the website http://www.nameofvictory.ru/. At the time of preparing the material, more than 3 million 60 thousands of users not only from Russia, but also from other countries took part in the competition.


Recall that the authors of the competition are going to "select" with the help of Internet voting 10 best domestic commanders, one of whom will be "awarded" the title "Name of Victory". Such an assignment will have to take place on 9 May 2014 of the year - during the celebration of Victory Day.

Despite a certain share of scandalousness of all previous similar contests, no particular friction has so far manifested itself in this competition. Perhaps because for the time being there is a large number of personalities among the “participants” - at the moment 40 people. Although hardly any backstage battles are to be expected at the final competitive stage, because the subject matter of the competition does not look as sharp as it was, for example, with the competition for the “most recognizable symbol of Russia” when the Grozny mosque came to the first place ...

So far, the top five “leaders” of the competition held under the auspices of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company and the Russian Military Historical Society are as follows:

fifth place - Fedor Fedorovich Ushakov - 6,13%;

fourth place - Mikhail Illarionovich Kutuzov - 8,05%;

third place - Georgy Zhukov - 8,07%;

second place - Alexander Nevsky - 8,1%;

first place - Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov - 10,72%.

As can be seen, the Russian commander, Count Alexander Suvorov, leads with a significant margin in the competition.
The idea of ​​choosing the “best of the best” does not look straightforward. By what criteria do you need to compare people, each of whom has contributed to the development of the country and strengthening the borders of the Fatherland? Is it even possible to find the “formula” that will allow us to say who, from the point of view of military art and defense of its borders, has done more for Russia: Bagration, Rayevsky, Yermolov or Rokossovsky? Obviously, such a formula simply does not exist.

In this regard, it can be stated that the competition is more like a kind of game, but this does not detract from at least one of its weighty dignity - the potential increase in the interest of modern youth (and not only young people) to domestic storiesincluding the military. The authors of the competition took care of preparing sufficiently informative articles about the way these historical figures (and besides the historical personalities found a place in the competition to our contemporaries), doing their duty, following their vocation. In addition, following the results of the competition, several documentary projects dedicated to military leaders from different historical eras are planned to be shot.

In the light of recent events of a clearly negative nature, which are connected with the actual violation of the history by the gentlemen who stand for, God forgive, “democratic values”, the contest “Name of Victory” takes on an additional connotation. That war with monuments and memorials, which unfolded in a “otdemokrachchennoy” little world, today looks like nothing less than falling into the funnel of the Middle Ages. Apparently, the monuments and obelisks dedicated to the memory of the soldiers and commanders who liberated Europe from Nazism, defeated Napoleon’s armies, who removed the oppression of Ottoman rule, do not give rest to people who think they are the bearers of modern values. A man who in his entire life has not created anything except, excuse me, heaps in the toilet, with bestial howls, rushes to defile the monuments. If this is the modern “democratic” culture, then it would be better to pass for a thrice uncultured subject than to become like these barbarians. Barbara XXI century.

It is clear that wars with monuments are not at all wars with a specific historical persona. These are the most real wars with the Russian world, with Russia. Despite the fact that in Russia itself the attitude towards Ilyich is far from unequivocal, this is not important for the barbarians. Itching in one place does not give them the opportunity to sit on the fifth point and think carefully about finding a way out of the critical situation. And these “homo erectuses” do not intend to look for a way out - this is to be thought, to think, but there is nothing ... “Sapiens” within the group has not yet been born ... And those that have been born have degraded to the unrecognizable stage.

Another thing - to take a sip of bitter, to pull the pole out of the fence of the playground and with wild cries will rush to the fight with silent statues. That is - they are on the shoulder.

“Victory Name” takes on a different shade. Consolidation of the Russian world






The itch pushes the neo-Nazi cattle, choking with foam of their own mouth, in search of victims. And the victim must be a priori incapable of resistance. And the monument here is just perfect. A monument to Lenin or a monument to Kutuzov is no longer important. It is important that the memorial, obelisk, sculptural group had at least some relation to the Russian world. Today Kutuzov, tomorrow Pushkin, Lomonosov ... There will be any pretexts. The example of Estonia, when she announced that the “Bronze Soldier” allegedly interfered with the approach of Tallinn people to the public transport stop, is still widely known.

The Russian Foreign Ministry was outraged by the dismantling (read - demolition) of the monument to Kutuzov in the town of Brody, Lviv region:

Russia is outraged by the ongoing demolition campaign in Ukraine. Yesterday, another barbarian Russophobic action took place in the Lviv region, where a monument to the Russian commander Mikhail Kutuzov was dismantled. We demand from the new Ukrainian authorities to stop this mess.


Gentlemen diplomats, yes no power in Ukraine! Neither new nor old. The power of powerless is what it is. There are neo-Nazism that does everything to provoke the Russian world, to strike at the very heart, to outrage our culture and historical values, to transfer garbage ideas across the Russian border and try to carry out our plans here. In this regard, the price of the issue is so high that it seems that diplomatic indignations alone can not be done. Consolidation of the Russian world is the main force that can knock the spirit out of neo-Nazi ideologues, their minions and backstage puppeteers. And if this consolidation does not happen, then today monuments will be dismantled for stones, and then by brick - and the Russian state in its broadest sense.
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  1. Normman
    Normman 26 February 2014 07: 54
    +54
    The name of victory is the Russian people under the leadership of Stalin! The rest is all crafty tricks. An attempt among the Russian generals to find better and worse is a provocation. Moreover, no one gave the organizers the right to determine which of them deserves to be on the list, and who is not. I already smeared these foreheads with green paint, while virtually ...
    1. waisson
      waisson 26 February 2014 07: 59
      +18
      I completely agree with you this is an attempt to belittle the merits of Stalin — don’t ask anyone; the first answer is Stalin and all the rest later
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 26 February 2014 08: 03
        +4
        Quote: waisson
        who do not ask the first answer is Stalin and all the rest later

        I would not speak so confidently.
        1. Fullback
          Fullback 26 February 2014 08: 16
          +10
          Quote: Vladimirets
          I would not speak so confidently.

          I agree, but in the time period, Stalin is closest to us, I think, therefore, first Joseph Vissarionovich, and then everyone else.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 26 February 2014 08: 21
            +3
            Quote: FullBack
            Stalin is closest to us, I think, therefore, first Joseph Vissarionovich, and then everyone else.

            I’m not even talking about this, if we take the survey literally, then Stalin is still not a commander, a great statesman, yes, but not a commander in the generally accepted sense.
            1. wax
              wax 26 February 2014 14: 05
              +8
              To the left and right of the image of the Order of Victory are the names of the best of the best Soviet commanders of the Great Patriotic War. Do not decrease, do not add. Below is a tribute to the allies.
      2. domokl
        domokl 26 February 2014 08: 27
        +11
        Quote: waisson
        -Do not ask the first answer is Stalin and

        Kindly, I should call a personnel officer an operation that Stalin personally would develop. I repeat my comment. This is pure demagogy. Do not confuse a good leader who can find competent specialists in their fields with specialists ...
        1. Normman
          Normman 26 February 2014 08: 36
          +2
          Makhno and Pugachev generals! What enemy did they fight with?
          1. domokl
            domokl 26 February 2014 08: 41
            -1
            You, as the youth are now saying, are translating arrows ... And what about Pugachev? Have you read the list of those who lead?
            1. Normman
              Normman 26 February 2014 08: 56
              +8
              The task of the organizers, within the framework of the thesis "divide and conquer", is to make Russians compare their heroes who are "better" and who are "worse", to manipulate the lists of who is a hero and who is so-so. This is an element of information war, an attempt by the liberal fifth column to manipulate public opinion. I will not stop exposing such attacks and to the best of my ability to counter them.
              1. domokl
                domokl 26 February 2014 09: 02
                +6
                Quote: Normman
                make Russians compare their heroes

                Or maybe the task is a little different - do not forget your heroes? Are you sure that modern youth, after all these education reforms, knows about them? Look at the preschool kids ... Everyone knows the characters of Disney, but almost no one before the release of the last, in many ways controversial cartoons , Russian heroes.
                Remember how recently, for many young people, the film Stalingrad became a revelation.
                1. Normman
                  Normman 26 February 2014 09: 19
                  +6
                  Good goal (president) - not our method (liberal minister)! The whole world is entangled in a rating system. The world government is trying to create a system of supranational and supranational governance.
                2. calocha
                  calocha 26 February 2014 10: 38
                  +7
                  You need to learn from the school bench! In the textbooks, everything about all commanders should be! Cancel the stupid USE. Let them learn by heart .. And do not poke a finger at ... the sky. The film Stalingrad is false (distorts the real picture of what was happening)
            2. Sandov
              Sandov 26 February 2014 14: 38
              +2
              Quote: domokl
              You, as the youth are now saying, are translating arrows ... And what about Pugachev? Have you read the list of those who lead?

              What can I say - Suvorov is a military genius. Everyone else can say his students.
              1. vova1973
                vova1973 26 February 2014 14: 50
                +1
                But with Napoleon it was difficult for him. Kutuzov could only defeat him, who understood well (and this is the main thing) that he could not be defeated in an open battle (military genius) and defeated him simply by exhausting him without losing his army.
                1. Aleksys2
                  Aleksys2 26 February 2014 15: 57
                  +2
                  Quote: vova1973
                  But with Napoleon it was difficult for him.

                  For your information:
                  In the 1798 year, Russia joined the 2-th anti-French coalition (Great Britain, Austria, Turkey, the Kingdom of Naples). A united Russian-Austrian army was created to march into northern Italy, captured by the troops of the French Directory. Initially, at the head of the army was planned to put Archduke Joseph. But at the insistence of England, Austria requested Paul I to appoint Suvorov as commander. The commander called from exile arrived in Vienna 14 (25) in March, where Emperor Franz I awarded Suvorov the title of Austrian Field Marshal. On April 4 (15) the commander arrives at the Russian troops in Verona, and the next day he moved with the troops to Valeggio.
                  The first clash between the Suvorov forces and the French on the Italian territory they seized was the capture of the fortress city of Brescia on 10 (21) on April (Major General Prince Bagration distinguished himself in this battle).
                  The city of Lecco was taken on April 15 (26), the main part of the battle on the Adda River began on April 16 (27): the Russian troops crossed the river and defeated the French army under the command of the well-known commander - General Jean Victor Moreau. The French lost about 3 thousand killed and about 5 thousand prisoners. The final stage of the battle on the Adda River was the battle of Verderio, the result of which was the surrender of the French division of General Serryurier.
                  5 (16) On May, the French detachment of General Moreau near Marengo attacked the Austrian division, but with the help of the Bagration detachment was driven back. The French forces were forced to retreat, leaving the fortresses of Casale and Valenza without a fight and opening the road to Turin, which was taken without a fight (thanks to the support of local residents and the Piedmont National Guard) on 15 (26) on May. As a result, virtually all of northern Italy was cleared of French troops.
                  On 6 (17) on June the battle between the Russian-Austrian troops of Suvorov and the French army of MacDonald began on the Trebbia river. It lasted three days and ended in the defeat of the French, who had lost half of their army killed and captured.
                  3 (14) August, the French occupied Novi. The army of the allies approached Novi, and on August 4 (15) the battle at Novi began. During the 18-hour battle, the French army was completely defeated, losing 7 thousand people killed (including its commander Joubert), 4,5 thousand prisoners, 5 thousand wounded and 4 thousand deserters. The battle of Novi was the last major battle during the Italian campaign. After him, Emperor Paul I ordered that Suvorov should be given the same honors as before that only the emperor had been shown.
                  Suvorov’s Swiss Campaign - In the campaign, Suvorov’s army marched through Saint Gotthard and the Devil’s Bridge and made the transition from the Reuss Valley to the Mutenskaya Valley, where it was surrounded. However, in the battle in the Muten Valley, the Russian army, under the command of Suvorov, defeated the French army and left the encirclement, after which it crossed the snowy, inaccessible Pass Ringingkopf (Paniks), from where it headed towards Russia through the city of Chur.
          2. Altona
            Altona 26 February 2014 09: 05
            +5
            Quote: Normman
            Makhno and Pugachev generals! What enemy did they fight with?

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            Pugachev with the same Suvorov, Makhno with white ... Makhno even had the Order of the Red Banner, was a good military leader, actually fought for the Reds in Ukraine ... But it doesn’t matter ... Both are one of the sides of the civil war, so put them what then defeating an external enemy is incorrect ...
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 26 February 2014 11: 28
              +1
              Quote: Altona
              Makhno even had the Order of the Red Banner, was a good general, actually fought for the Reds in Ukraine ..

              Today, from the standpoint of historical prescription, you make a hero out of Makhno. But his contemporary, Sergei Yesenin, thought differently. In the poem "The Black Man" there is a hero, a bandit named Nomakh. In my opinion, everything is clear ...
              1. 11111mail.ru
                11111mail.ru 26 February 2014 16: 40
                +4
                Quote: Uncle
                But his contemporary, Sergei Yesenin, thought differently. In the poem "The Black Man" there is a hero, a bandit named Nomakh. In my opinion, everything is clear ...

                It is clear that S. Yesenin loved the Reds, but Nestor Ivanovich Makhno did not love the Reds, Rear Admiral A.M. Shchastny, Army Commander F.K. Mironov did not like Lev Davidovich's chicks, they loved Russia for that and suffered from his archangels. It's quite "honestly according to Trotsky" using the rebels to defeat the whites, then shoot the former "allies" in the class struggle.
              2. Altona
                Altona 26 February 2014 17: 24
                +2
                Quote: Uncle
                Today, from the standpoint of historical prescription, you make a hero out of Makhno. But his contemporary, Sergei Yesenin, thought differently. In the poem "The Black Man" there is a hero, a bandit named Nomakh. In my opinion, everything is clear ...

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                I am stating a historical fact ... I did not say anything about heroism, except about the fact of owning the Order of the Red Banner (among other things, a pretty reward, try to get it yourself) ...
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          4. VKabanov
            VKabanov 26 February 2014 10: 40
            +3
            Relatively Makhno:
            February-March 1919 (against Denikin) - Mariupol-Volnovakha
            September 1919 Raid from Uman turn Ekaterinoslav to Mariupol
            November 1920 (against Wrangel) Forcing Sivash
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 26 February 2014 10: 35
          +6
          Sanya, these are our liberal media started ... those are still gnidy !!! everyone wants to turn History ...
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 26 February 2014 15: 45
            +4
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            Sanya, these are our liberal media started ... those are still gnidy !!! everyone wants to turn History ...

            In general, all these votes are from the evil one. Remember how in the previous vote the mosque in Grozny almost came out on top? I won’t be surprised if this time the first position comes, for example, Imam Shamil. Who counts this vote and how, that’s the question. In our century, developed technologies, getting the desired result is not a problem. Therefore, I never, in any polls, do not participate, because I know that the result will be the one that the organizers of this event need, no matter how I vote. You can mind me, but this is my opinion and I will not change it.
        3. calocha
          calocha 26 February 2014 10: 40
          +3
          And about ten strokes of Stalin heard?! Please study the story ....
        4. 222222
          222222 26 February 2014 11: 00
          +9
          domokl (2) RU Today, 08:27 ↑ New
          "Be so kind to me, a career officer, to name an operation that Stalin would personally develop."
          You, as a career soldier, should know that the idea of ​​an operation is introduced by the commanders of the fronts and the general staff and is being developed by the general staff and front headquarters. On all plans of operations is "I approve" And Stalin An operation is not only the actions of the front, but also the work of the rear on the comprehensive support of the operation.
        5. wax
          wax 26 February 2014 13: 53
          +3
          In the wars of modern times, the Commander (not battles, but wars) turned into the Commander-in-Chief no longer leads regiments and does not develop operations. Stalin was not Alexander I under the commander Kutuzov. For Stalin, for example, long-range aviation was personally subordinate and carried out strategic tasks only from his directives from the beginning to the end of the war. All intelligence, one way or another, went to Stalin. Under all plans of strategic battles is the signature of Stain, and it was not an empty application for the decisions of the Leaders. The awarding of Stalin with two Orders of Victory is justified, as well as the awarding of the title of Generalissimo.
          1. Altona
            Altona 26 February 2014 17: 35
            +1
            Quote: Wax
            All intelligence, one way or another, went to Stalin. Under all plans of strategic battles is the signature of Stain, and it was not an empty application for the decisions of the Leaders. The awarding of Stalin with two Orders of Victory is justified, as well as the awarding of the title of Generalissimo.

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            Being the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of a state’s leader, it’s not necessary to be a great commander, for this there are specially trained people in the General Staff, Headquarters and in the army ... Stalin’s role was reduced to coordinating the entire state machine for the defense of the country, this is also managing the rear and the foreign policy component in the form of joint actions with the allies and receiving various humanitarian and military assistance from them, the leadership of the Stavka and the actions of the military, and a whole range of tasks ... So he was more a director than a bearer of a certain role ... And the military was required to ensure the fulfillment of the combat mission, being provided with material and human resources, intelligence and counterintelligence data, knowledge of the foreign policy situation ...
            1. Ded_smerch
              Ded_smerch April 9 2014 07: 26
              0
              Then explain, dear man, what Ivan the Terrible is doing on the voting list, but there is no Stalin
        6. Ded_smerch
          Ded_smerch 26 February 2014 15: 23
          +1
          If not mistaken, the Berlin operation was developed by Stalin.
        7. pavlo
          pavlo 26 February 2014 22: 32
          +1
          Defense of Tsaritsyn!
        8. pavlo
          pavlo 26 February 2014 22: 36
          0
          After all, it’s no secret to anyone that it was Stalin who made the generals fight as expected — they were kind enough to do this at the beginning of the war ... - yes, the same Zhukov, I don’t even want to say
      3. Tor hummer
        Tor hummer 26 February 2014 21: 23
        0
        Stalin is not very ... to be honest. Russian commander Suvorov is much better.
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 26 February 2014 23: 50
          0
          Quote: Tor Hummer
          Stalin is not very ... to be honest. Russian commander Suvorov is much better.

          As a commander, yes but as a banner of victory, Stalin is now needed, victory is what is needed now - like air. It was Stalin who outplayed the whole west, and no one else and not all of this in the west forgot, and this war was a hundred times more cruel, large-scale and significant of the previous ones.
          1. Alexey K.
            Alexey K. 27 February 2014 12: 06
            -3
            Che and Stalin all rush like a chicken with an egg. Before Stalin, they lived and won for a whole 1000 years, and after Stalin the same is still alive. Soon they will make an icon out of it.
    2. domokl
      domokl 26 February 2014 08: 24
      +8
      Quote: Normman
      The name of victory is the Russian people under the leadership of Stalin!

      You’ll excuse me, but I’ll say for sure that you never heard bullets whistling over your head. Demagogy in order to become more popular?
      Let me remind you of the common saying about lions headed by a ram and about rams headed by a lion. Any soldier will tell you that he is a commander, sensible, trained, a bold dream, even behind the war behind a stone wall.
      No one belittles the heroism of the people. The competition of commanders. And Stalin, with all due respect to him as a politician, leader of the state, not a soldier. It’s a politician. A politician who is able to find competent specialists (in any field, not just military) and enable them to realize your skills.
      1. Armata
        Armata 26 February 2014 08: 44
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        No one belittles the heroism of the people. The competition of commanders. And Stalin, with all due respect to him as a politician, leader of the state, not a soldier. It’s a politician. A politician who is able to find competent specialists (in any field, not just military) and enable them to realize your skills.
        Duck is the best leader. There is a Japanese carparative saying "a good boss is the one who goes on vacation and the company does not notice his absence" (not literally, but tried to convey the meaning).
        1. domokl
          domokl 26 February 2014 08: 57
          +1
          Quote: Armata
          This is the best leader.

          And we are discussing a competition of the best leaders? Have I written that it is bad? We choose the commander. military man. The one under whose leadership the Russian (Soviet) Ramiya won the greatest victories from the point of view of people. So, let me not accept your comment.
      2. Normman
        Normman 26 February 2014 08: 45
        -1
        No need to chatter the people. Read carefully! I wrote - "the Russian people under the leadership of Stalin!" What's not clear? I, in principle, are against such "events" because an attempt to establish "re-e-eiting" and then broadcast puffing out the cheeks "the people consider-a-aet" - this is an inform war against the unity of the Russian world against its history! You are either a liberal provocateur, or you simply do not respect other opinions, to put it mildly.
        1. domokl
          domokl 26 February 2014 09: 09
          +3
          Quote: Normman
          this is an informal warfare against the unity of the Russian world against its history! You are either a liberal provocateur or simply do not respect another opinion, to put it mildly.

          Alas, I don’t belong to liberals. And you were the first to call me a provocateur ... you were a Stalinist, you were a communist, you were Putinoids ... But this is a provocateur for the first time fellow
          It seems to me that it’s not me, but you who are opposed to this unity. When marrying Stalin for a military genius, you automatically reject many. The Russian world is far from Slavic or any other world. This is the world of Russian culture, Russian way of thinking, Russian character. And all it is inherent in all the peoples of Russia.
          1. kare
            kare 26 February 2014 09: 26
            0
            Do not tease him, otherwise he will smear us all in the green
          2. Normman
            Normman 26 February 2014 09: 43
            +2
            Here are quotes from your articles:
            "In my vision, the zealots of the faith of the fathers, the defenders of God (Allah, Buddha, Yarila and everyone else) are in the forefront of the enemies of Russia."

            "We now have a strange division - a vile state, and the Great Motherland ..."

            "The country has long been divided into Russia, the Urals (and gravitating towards Siberia), Siberia and the Far East. And these regions are connected only by the Trans-Siberian. Well, a little bit of the economy ... And that's all."

            I will not evaluate who reads in the context, let him make a conclusion.
      3. kare
        kare 26 February 2014 09: 21
        0
        Hurried a little, if I read your post, I would not write my own.
    3. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 26 February 2014 08: 38
      0
      I completely agree with you, comrade!
    4. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 26 February 2014 09: 18
      +2
      totally agree with you, comrade!
    5. Jaros81
      Jaros81 26 February 2014 10: 41
      +2
      I do not like communism; I like the idea of ​​monarchy more. But the fact that Stalin is really the Name of Victory, here I completely agree with you !!!
    6. Toototam
      Toototam 26 February 2014 10: 55
      0
      Everyone is given the opportunity to express their own attitude, appreciation for those personalities who, in his opinion, especially contributed to the preservation of the Russian ethnic group. For example, I put ... Chapaeva in the first place; although his rating is less than 2%; for his natural leadership gift, and an intuitive understanding of the fidelity of the communist path; thanks to which the USSR won in the 2nd World War, because it corresponded to the desire of all people of goodwill for peace and happiness!
    7. Ossetian.
      Ossetian. 26 February 2014 11: 30
      0
      Dear Nikolay, I agree with you.
      Very nice to read your comment good
    8. the polar
      the polar 26 February 2014 12: 36
      +6
      Quote: Normman
      The name of victory is the Russian people under the leadership of Stalin! The rest is all crafty tricks. An attempt among the Russian generals to find better and worse is a provocation. Moreover, no one gave the organizers the right to determine which of them deserves to be on the list, and who is not. I already smeared these foreheads with green paint, while virtually ...

      These prostitutional dwarfs, for the umpteenth time, are defeated by fighting with just the ghost of Stalin - with his image in the memory of the people. But the State Department is most interested in destroying the memory of Stalin, so these stigmas trying to corrupt and erase the memory of the USSR and Stalin have the stamp of traitors carved on their foreheads. They are the blood brothers of fascist scum-Maidan smashing Soviet monuments in Ukraine.
    9. Ded_smerch
      Ded_smerch 26 February 2014 15: 16
      +1
      Which was proved by the project to the peak of this. Watch here http://truenameofvictory.ru/
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    11. siberalt
      siberalt 26 February 2014 16: 16
      +1
      How many generalsimos did we have? If it is Suvorov, then who is Stalin? Him that Svanidze demoted? Either the memory is short or they "slip" their own history, which is already being rewritten on the fly. Why do the Mongols, Tuvans, Buryats, Kazakhs, Tatars, Turks and even Italians recognize Chingiz Khan as their own, but not those to which people he belonged? Some of us from Byzantium received a tribute, some of the Terrible kept the whole of Europe in fear. As it is, Pugachev is still considered a robber. And the fact that he put the Romanov Empire on his ears, so much so that he had to remove Suvorov from the Russian-Turkish, and introduce foreign mercenaries. And Kutuzov was good as a commander, until all the people themselves rose. But he was buried somehow not in a Christian way, but separately from his heart. So, the manipulation of public consciousness occurs according to a certain scenario. Russian history is rich in commanders and its own military spirit. And without the truth about it and the opinion of the people, it is not difficult to manipulate, under the guise of noble goals.
    12. avdkrd
      avdkrd 27 February 2014 15: 25
      +1
      I DO NOT BELIEVE these ratings. The most recognizable name of Victory is Stalin. The organizers of the rating continue to lick z @ d libirasts or are themselves. Stalin's name could not, by definition, be included in the "five leaders." Let this rating be shoved into the same place where the mosque is as a symbol of Russia.
    13. Denis Davydov
      Denis Davydov April 4 2014 14: 36
      0
      What can be reached, either from idleness, or into a stupor which ...
      VICTORY - VICTORY is the name of the great achievement of human collective power, will, honor, love, in the name of the highest values ​​of freedom, peace and creation.
      VICTORY - VICTORY is a universal criterion for the triumph of the highest qualities and capabilities of Homo sapiens on Earth - it is like God, Creator, Universe, Earth. Better than saying in the words of Mikhail Matusovsky: "What do you say your name is, ....., And she answered, VICTORY".
      And let the one who about this "competition" "shouted loudly from the branches ...": and incited the people to this blasphemy, rename the name of his mother, fatherland .... RAVE. And to indulge such blatant ignorance and sick imagination means to become like this deeply sick unicellular organism.
      Suvorov, Nakhimov, ..., Stalin, Zhukov are symbols of the victories of the Great People, the Great Power of Russia and each of them represents, to one degree or another, the triumph of the highest achievements of the social formation in the struggle for peace, life - the development and prosperity of the highest values, and the name this triumph - VICTORY! VICTORIA! VICTORY!
      In what frenzy one can think up what would incite people to arrange a contest between the heroes of different historical moments, whose feat, permeated by the strength of the spirit of the peoples of Russia, is the triumphal existence of the Power, under the banner of VICTORY! VICTORIA!
      And if our Power is still alive, one way or another, flourishes today, then this is our common merit, which at different historical moments was forged by the people in the bowels of which the outstanding personalities of the Russian Power shone, the heroism of the feat of which is equally undeniable, invaluable, and their collective name feat and national spirit - VICTORY! VICTORIA! VICTORY!

      Why are you digging like worms in the imperishable memory of your land,
      Indulging in doubt, meager ...

      I dedicate this to you, and to all those who, with their ignorance, play up to the obvious enemies of Russia, perverting, in an effort to divide us, to sow doubts about the unshakable, spinal values ​​of the peoples on which the Russian Power has lived and will stand:
      But who gave you the right to judge the wretched people whose life and deed are inextricable with the VICTORY of your people!
      And since you still live in the Russian Stainless, their feat is equally great for you!
      They did not shame the name in our name - VICTORY! but not for the stupid dogs, doubtfully trampling her!
      Remember, there is no other name, the good of victory, for you, over evil, than what you hear is VICTORIA! VICTORY!
      Who gave you the right to at least for a moment doubt the great feat of any worthy ... whose fate you shuffle like a deck of cards ....
      Who are you…?! He sensed himself the creator, the stinking worm, to the enemies, Russian sovereignty, indulging.
  2. parus2nik
    parus2nik 26 February 2014 07: 56
    +10
    And after what happens in Ukraine, will we further de-stabilize Russian society?
    1. domokl
      domokl 26 February 2014 08: 30
      +1
      But does someone de-Stalinize him? We often write about Stalin and not in a negative way. Stalin is a politician, the head of state who has accomplished the head of fascism. Nobody denies this.
      So the claim is not for us, and probably not for Putin ...
      1. parus2nik
        parus2nik 26 February 2014 13: 47
        +1
        To Medvedev? .. The same thing with him, the so-called de-Stalinization began .. And the fruits are already there, a poll on the Rain channel ..
  3. Greenwood
    Greenwood 26 February 2014 07: 57
    +11
    All these contests: "the name of victory", "the name of Russia", etc. not from the big mind are carried out. Really looks like a provocation. Each of the named generals tried for the good of the Motherland. Any of them would be offended by such a competition. And any of them would have been horrified to see where the modern Russian leadership has sunk ...
    1. ReifA
      ReifA 26 February 2014 08: 20
      +1
      Filter by IP-passport, there is none at all. You can campaign even from Africa, even from America to vote, not the fact that the Russians.
      1. domokl
        domokl 26 February 2014 09: 14
        -3
        I remember how a project was discussed here under the name of something with the name of Russia or the like. It was hotly discussed. And what? Can you recall this very name? I, alas, no ...
        So the result is not important, it is important. What people are forced to look for, look to compare. And that means to find out.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 26 February 2014 15: 15
          +3
          I remember that Stalin was in the lead by a wide margin. Then at some point his rating decreased noticeably (apparently they twisted it) and Alexander Nevsky won. In general, everything is clear, Stalin is too uncomfortable for our officials, any of them would have been shot with him, so they decided to change the voting results. And in the future, his name was simply not included in the ratings.
  4. inkass_98
    inkass_98 26 February 2014 08: 01
    +4
    Again and again the question arises - how is the current "government" going to manage the cattle that have escaped into the wild? Sashko Bily has already shown them who is the boss in the hut, having come to the regional meeting. We are glad with a gun: try and take it. It’s not you who pressed, it’s not you who took it. ”Tyagnibok had already stuttered that his name would not be in the government, that is, the absolutely correct position - not to take any responsibility, but to indicate from behind the scenes who and what to do.
    It is easy to fight the dead (monuments), but to curb and force to create someone who is already accustomed not to do a damn thing, and with an important air to pretend to be "self-defense", to rob and kill is very difficult. Something is not observed there next Makarenko (Farion does not count), but solid Makhno.
  5. ed65b
    ed65b 26 February 2014 08: 08
    +17
    In general, I have big complaints about the leadership of the Russian FSB. This ghoul, who was sucking, kissed Basayev and killed ours, I repeat OUR RUSSIAN SOLDIERS, he lived quietly in the west of Ukraine, had to lie in a grave for a long time or trample the zone on a kolyma for life. I ASK WHERE YOU HAVE BEEN AND WHAT THE LORD THE CHEKISTS DID ??????
    1. SSR
      SSR 26 February 2014 08: 23
      +2
      I really hope that the Nazis and Russophobes, when they wake up from a trough, will remember the Maydans as they, after they brought the pimple to power and proudly said yes, they were on the maidown behind the oranzhoid, then they kept their eyes hidden. Doesn't history teach anything? Let them maydown2 come around for the most, like seagulls in a cartoon - give-give-give-give.
      1. shuhartred
        shuhartred 26 February 2014 08: 52
        +5
        Quote: SSR
        fascists and russophobes when they wake up at nothing

        They will instantly appoint Russia to blame and demand compensation.
        1. SSR
          SSR 26 February 2014 14: 07
          +3
          Quote: shuhartred
          Quote: SSR
          fascists and russophobes when they wake up at nothing

          They will instantly appoint Russia to blame and demand compensation.

          Since they will not turn anyway, they will blame Russia when Russia allocated a loan of 15 yards and lowered the price of gas, banderlogs began to say that the Government had sold Ukraine, now the eggheads see that the mouse died in the treasury, extended one hand to the other to the west and after all they will consider that we simply must give them money. There the Polish state scooped up 6000 euros, even if they fill the treasury with it and pay their own salaries, they found for maydaun they would also find salaries.
    2. Aleks998
      Aleks998 26 February 2014 09: 01
      +1
      ... fought against the "terrible Russian foshyzm" in "Vkontakteka"
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  7. saag
    saag 26 February 2014 08: 10
    +9
    And that Suvorov is indeed the best because it was born from him, "you have to fight not by number, but by skill," the soldier took the coast and achieved a lot, among other things, the rank of generalisimo was copied from him
    1. Belogor
      Belogor 26 February 2014 08: 25
      +5
      Quote: saag
      ... by the way, the title of generalisimus was copied from him


      For your information, before Suvorov in Russia there were also general limicuses.
  8. BYKOV BORIS ARKADIEVICH
    BYKOV BORIS ARKADIEVICH 26 February 2014 08: 23
    +1
    VICTORY has one name "SOVIET PEOPLE"
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 26 February 2014 08: 54
      +9
      Quote: BYKOV BORIS ARKADIEVICH
      VICTORY has one name "SOVIET PEOPLE"

      And before that, the Russians only sniffed the lilies of the valley.
    2. 222222
      222222 26 February 2014 11: 08
      +1
      BYKOV BORIS ARKADIEVICH RU Today, 08:23
      VICTORY has one name "SOVIET PEOPLE" "
      The concept of "the historical community of the Soviet people" was introduced under Brezhnev (he liked to introduce something grandiose to the party congresses) .. "the thesis about the Soviet people was included in L. Brezhnev's report at the XXIV Congress of the CPSU in 1971 and to the resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU on the 50th anniversary of the founding of the Soviet Union in 1972. This thesis was included in the Constitution of the USSR in 1977. The preamble to it contained the provision that Soviet society is a "society of mature socialist relations in which, on the basis of the rapprochement of all nations and nationalities, a new historical community of people arose - the Soviet people. "
      But it appeared during the time of Lenin, but even I didn’t introduce this concept into Stalin, so he understood the essence of national problems and national politics ..
      "The first attempt to view the Soviet people as an integral ethnosocial category was made by M. Khrushchev in October 1961. Speaking with a report on the CPSU program at the XXII Party Congress," A new historical community of people of different nationalities has developed in the USSR. characteristic features - the Soviet people. They have a common socialist Batkivshchyna - the USSR, a common economic base - a socialist economy, a common social-class structure, a common worldview - Marxism-Leninism, a common goal - building communism, many common features in the spiritual person, in psychology. "
    3. Alexey K.
      Alexey K. 27 February 2014 12: 17
      -2
      What kind of fruit is this Soviet people-where did it go from and where did it go, where are its roots?
  9. Arbatov
    Arbatov 26 February 2014 08: 29
    +6
    Quote: Normman
    The name of victory is the Russian people under the leadership of Stalin!


    With great respect for Joseph Vissarionovich, I would still just leave the "Russian people". Because it was on the best qualities of the Russian people that Suvorov, and Nevsky, and Rokossovsky and Stalin, and our other truly great commanders, were relying on when they planned and carried out victorious operations.
  10. Boris55
    Boris55 26 February 2014 08: 31
    +2
    I do not take part in this vote. I think it is not fair to say the least.
    The most important thing is that the list of Generalissimo I.V. Stalin, who won the most difficult and bloody war in the history of mankind, is not on the list and I consider it schizophrenia to compare the heroes of the country from different eras - each of them was good at the time.
    1. Vladimir.z.
      Vladimir.z. 26 February 2014 09: 04
      +2
      Quote: Boris55
      I do not take part in this vote. I think it is not fair to say the least.


      Victory is not only battles on the fronts, it is to a greater extent the mobilization of the whole country, the milestones of its forces and capabilities, because for victories on the fronts it would be necessary to have weapons, uniforms, fuel, coordinated work of public institutions and much more ...
      And such a vote is more of a public relations for the organizers - they type do a great thing ....
      1. Vladimir.z.
        Vladimir.z. 26 February 2014 10: 01
        +5
        Quote: Vladimir.z.
        Quote: Boris55
        I do not take part in this vote. I think it is not fair to say the least.


        And such a vote is more of a public relations for the organizers - they type do a great thing ....


        It is incorrect to compare commanders from different eras and even more introduces confusion and misunderstanding into the heads of young people who for the most part are not interested in history ...
        Therefore, it is better to conduct work in the youth environment that would encourage young people to know the history of their country ....
  11. Aleks998
    Aleks998 26 February 2014 08: 32
    +3
    What do you want? Or is it the Bandera demolished the memorial (with burial) to the heroes of the war in the Khimki district? http://www.rg.ru/2007/04/20/voin.html
    Where was your righteous anger then?
    1. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 26 February 2014 08: 41
      +3
      there were members of the pedra, they are not better than bendera
  12. platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 26 February 2014 08: 47
    +3
    And I believe that the "name of victory" is the "Soviet people" without a name and nationality, who went on the attack and died for their homeland, who in Leningrad was dying of hunger at the machine, which forged victory in the rear and worked for 16 hours. And with can we are with you now as they are.
    1. Aleks998
      Aleks998 26 February 2014 08: 51
      -1
      Yeah, schA "Allah" will throw some more money into Chechnya and everyone will know that in Russia the name of victory is Shamil. Didn't the example of the Grozny mosque teach anyone anything?
    2. Normman
      Normman 26 February 2014 09: 00
      +3
      Sincerely accept your amendment! Of course, the Great Multinational Soviet People is the real name of victory!
  13. Naum
    Naum 26 February 2014 08: 58
    .
    Quote: Alex998
    not in the list of generalissimo I.V. Stalin,

    The man who sanctioned repressions in the Red Army on the eve of the war (then about 40 thousand Red Army commanders perished in the Chekist basements and camps) who did not heed the intelligence information about the beginning of the war ("did not succumb to provocation"!), Destroyed Budyonny and Voroshilov to please the "horsemen" is the structure of the Army a Leader? Well then I am "Generalissimo" too ...
    At all times, the winner was the Russian people, which got all sorts of generals. Often - and in quotation marks. In the history of Russia there were only two absolutely victorious military commanders - Suvorov and Ushakov. The rest did not stand nearby. These are the names of Victory!
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    2. VKabanov
      VKabanov 26 February 2014 11: 24
      +2
      Add Rokossovsky
    3. Alexey K.
      Alexey K. 27 February 2014 12: 23
      +2
      I completely agree. "At all times the winner was the Russian people, who got all sorts of commanders."
  14. Gardamir
    Gardamir 26 February 2014 08: 59
    +3
    Russian Foreign Ministry outraged by dismantling
    . And it's all? They spat in our souls. Russian language is prohibited. And the Foreign Ministry is outraged!
    1. shibi
      shibi 26 February 2014 09: 19
      +3
      do you think it was necessary to drop a bomb on them?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 26 February 2014 10: 04
        +2
        At least not keep silent.
  15. Frate
    Frate 26 February 2014 09: 00
    +7
    Quote: saag
    And that Suvorov is indeed the best because it was born from him, "you have to fight not by number, but by skill," the soldier took the coast and achieved a lot, among other things, the rank of generalisimo was copied from him

    Well, let's now, forgetting about the main topic, begin to argue which of our commanders is better! This is what provocateurs expect from us. How do you know about Suvorov? That's right, from books! Without belittling the great merits of our great heroes, now the most important thing is to remember our ancestors who defeated Nazism under the leadership of Stalin. The leader whom we know not only from books, but also from testimonies, who are still alive, participants in the Great Patriotic War! Inaction, the betrayal of the authorities of the last decades allowed fascist scum to proliferate! This is not just a drunken massacre of neighbors outside your gate! It was in our yard that a plague blossomed, against which there was always only one means - fire! When, for the Victory Day, imitating each other, motorists write on their windows: "Thank you grandfather for the Victory!" - I, like that grandfather, feel bitter to tears!
    1. shibi
      shibi 26 February 2014 09: 23
      .
      Yes, there was Stalin.
      Who killed thousands and thousands of innocent people in the camps. From "enemies of the people" to "traitors to the Motherland"
      And THANKS you need to say not to him, but to the PEOPLE, about whom Stalin was wiping his feet.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 26 February 2014 10: 43
        +1

        Quote: sibi
        Yes, there was Stalin.
        Who killed thousands and thousands of innocent people in the camps. From "enemies of the people" to "traitors to the Motherland"
        And THANKS you need to say not to him, but to the PEOPLE, about whom Stalin was wiping his feet.

        and today, do not you think that there were few repressions in Ukraine?
      2. I am
        I am 26 February 2014 14: 28
        -1
        Swamp hamster, you made a mistake at the site !!!!!!
        Stalin took the country completely devastated by the war, and after it remained a country with atomic weapons !!!! And the winner of the war. History should be taught from textbooks and not from Wikipedia.
      3. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 26 February 2014 16: 58
        +2
        Quote: sibi
        PEOPLEOn

        First, learn how to correctly express your thoughts.
        1. I am
          I am 27 February 2014 19: 50
          +1
          And I apologize for my mistakes, but this is not the main thing. I'm writing from the phone. The main thing is to SEE HISTORY, and not on the Internet, but on paper to express your thoughts correctly.
          On paper, I write without errors, there stupid programs like T9 do not fix anything)))) and besides, try to poke your nails into the touch screen yourself (and my nails also interfere with the netbook). not stretch, it’s such beauty, I just went to the salon and made a beautiful drawing with rhinestones))))
        2. I am
          I am 28 February 2014 11: 12
          +2
          And now I have recognized you. You work all on agitation, point 8 went into action. Well read, refresh your memory. mistakes he noticed !!!!
          A brainwashing technique for Ukrainians on the Internet who resist the US and Nazi occupying forces in Kiev.
          1. Venue: social networks, sites, blogs, news feeds, comments in video feeds, YouTube, justice and so on.
          2. Comments should be with supporting pictures, links, videos, even if they are simply cut out of the general context.
          3. Use cultural speech in conversations; be friendly and welcoming
          4. Do not get fooled by provocations, do not respond with aggression to aggression
          5. Attack on the post, video, commentary is carried out purposefully, in groups of 10-20 people, you will simply be defeated by facts alone
          6. Force the opponent to use a mat and other obscene expressions by any actions
          7. Constantly point out to the opponent that he is behaving uncivilized
          8. If the opponent crushed your lies with facts, make an emphasis on his grammatical errors, this demoralizes and shames the opponent, veiling the fact of your lies
          9. Try to make a split between groups of opponents, for example, people call to stand up for the defense of Donetsk, and you write that yourself from Donetsk and it makes no sense to fight, it will only get worse

          1. Do not use the words seizure of power, Bandera, militants, terrorists, extremists, Nazis, nationalists. Always say - the people of Ukraine
          2. Do not write that we are for Europe, write that we are for united Ukraine
          3. Do not use language differences. Southeast and Crimea writes "in the Ukraine" - agree with them, do not make discord in this. Try to write in Russian, the Ukrainian speech immediately repels many.
          4. Try to convince them that they were cheated or cheated
          5. Try to convince that Russia only needs resources and labor from Ukraine
          6. Try to convince that everything is bad in Russia, use pictures of remote places, old buildings, dumps, demotivators about old women, retirement, hungry children and other facts of human pity are ideal
          7. Try to convince that nobody is going to them, that nobody is going to grab or demolish anything from them
          8. To show to the maximum how Yanukovych and the PR deputies lived, to emphasize that this is all stolen people's money
          9. To prove to them that Ukraine will be strong only together, individually to intimidate that Russia from the South-East and Crimea will make them their slaves or something bad
          10. If the opponent shows you the successes and achievements of Russia, reproach the opponent for being subjected to Kremlin propaganda. To convince your opponent that you allegedly have relatives in Russia who are terrified of Russia's poverty and poverty
          11. In the same way, in this vein, do the opposite, if the opponent shows you facts of poverty and devastation in Europe, the EU or the USA
          12. Try to convince as much as possible that the Maidan is supported by both the Southeast and the Crimea, they say you have friends there, relatives who are behind the Maidan.
          13. If the opponent can prove to you that the National Bank is controlled by the United States, emphasize that this is done in all countries, for the convenience of the economy. Also emphasize that the US and the EU want to help Ukraine and are very worried about it.
  16. saag
    saag 26 February 2014 09: 06
    0
    Well, yes, I understand you, an immediate indignation was born in you, since I encroached on "sacred" - overshadowed the name of the great helmsman, the luminary of all sciences, the best friend of railway workers and so on, so forth.
  17. miland
    miland 26 February 2014 09: 13
    0
    Yes ... it’s a pity that not all thugs were killed by the war ...
  18. kare
    kare 26 February 2014 09: 16
    -1
    Quote: Normman
    The name of victory is the Russian people under the leadership of Stalin! The rest is all crafty tricks. An attempt among the Russian generals to find better and worse is a provocation. Moreover, no one gave the organizers the right to determine which of them deserves to be on the list, and who is not. I already smeared these foreheads with green paint, while virtually ...

    Stalin commander? Well, as far as I remember, almost all the great commanders were on the proposed list, it made no sense to belittle anyone's merits. Only the question was raised about generals, not politicians. So, drop Zelenin, leave for another occasion
    1. Frate
      Frate 26 February 2014 09: 50
      +4
      Now we need to argue not about the commanders, but to unite in the fight against fascism! Who will lead it? Great Poo ?! I doubt it very much. And stop chewing the liberal gum about "Stalinist repressions" and "ruined innocent victims! Learn history not from TV boxes and kitchen press!"
  19. ser fuz
    ser fuz 26 February 2014 09: 30
    +3
    All commanders are a great honor and praise to them. But 1945 stands separately because it is a war against fascism.
    And now fascism is attacking Russia and Stalin is needed. And the name of victory is VICTORY-RUSSIA RUSSIA-VICTORY
  20. shelva
    shelva 26 February 2014 09: 35
    +1
    The history of Russian military victories could be studied in another way. And then just some kind of exam. But ... "a bullet is a fool, a bayonet is great."
  21. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 26 February 2014 09: 38
    +4
    The competition is incorrect, "The Name of Victory", what "Victory"? Let's say the "Name of Victory" in the Great Patriotic War, then it is clear, "The Name of Victory" in the Napoleonic Wars, although in this case Wellington and Blucher will have to be said, for there is nobody else in battle than Napoleon did not win, the crush of Russian, Austrian and Prussian meat for "victory" cannot be definitely considered. The First World War, you will excuse me, did not differ in the originality of the actions of the commanders, both from the Entente and from the Central Powers: Artillery preparation - infantry attack, if there is a lot of infantry and the enemy will be able to take less ammunition for a machine gun from one, well, two lines of enemy trenches, the result is many thousands of losses for 10-20 meters of mud, awesome commanders! In short, there is no specifics so that, as a simple man in the street, I could appreciate: "This is a good commander, this -so to myself ... "And in general, how to compare Ushakov (in general, a naval commander) and the same Suvorov? I don't know. Or Alexander Nevsky and Zhukov, how to compare them?
    1. Frate
      Frate 26 February 2014 09: 53
      +2
      I ask you and other participants not to be distracted by the topic of the contest. After all, the question was posed specifically: about trampling the Russian world!
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 26 February 2014 10: 27
        +3
        Quote: FREGAT
        I ask you and other participants not to be distracted by the topic of the contest. After all, the question was posed specifically: about trampling the Russian world!

        And it has long been trampled upon, and not only abroad, but also in Russia itself, as an already worn-out example, a neighboring country with the United States, for example, Mexico "suddenly" announced a ban on speaking in English, well, that's all there is, only Mexican, or what they have Spanish there. And the Americans are declared citizens of the "Second Grade." Question: "In how many hours a massive airstrike will be delivered on the capital of Mexico, the American Marines will land, and American tanks will cross the border, the Mexican leadership will be declared to the whole world" undemocratic and fascist, "will his assets in the United States be frozen and confiscated?" .------ The Russian language in Ukraine is recognized as illegal, Russians are citizens of the "second grade", read "Untermensch", Russia did not just spit in the face of the whole world , but they also bent over and took them in a basin, sorry with the shit, Russia wiped itself off and guiltily keeps silent or whines "protests of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs", but they saw these protests in their graves, they laugh at them with the whole composition of the new Reich. There is such a thing as ordinary self-awareness. e and pride, neglecting which a person or a country turns into a biomass of stupid and worthless cattle, without self-esteem, history and as a result of the future. Sorry, of course, but I slowly but surely begin to despise my own country. Perhaps the State Department is to blame for this, The NSA and the CIA, but it seems to me that it is not "foreign pests" that are to blame for this. What did my country do so that when I go to see my relatives in Zhitomir and suddenly say something in Russian in front of the "storm troopers" I will not be fined Or maybe they will even give you a truncheon on the head?
  22. Walk
    Walk 26 February 2014 09: 42
    +3
    A year ago, reading "The Age of the Stillborn" by Bobrov, I thought it was grotesque, that it would not come to that. And now I'm not sure of anything. If these fascist nits are not passed over now, then it will be too late.
  23. darksoul
    darksoul 26 February 2014 09: 47
    -3
    there should be more such contests, young people need to be interested in new ways, in Ukraine look what is happening, how many young people are idlers… why? Yes, because it’s easier for the West and the Western media to drive the information they need, the army that does everything for the owners, the owners don’t even have to come. A new kind of war
    1. Aleks998
      Aleks998 26 February 2014 09: 52
      +4
      Come on, come on. The most that today's youth will remember from this competition is that Suvovrov is a guy who won the "Name of Victory" competition. Normally, history should be taught at school, films should be made normal and not Mikholkov's disinformation, then we will educate the youth.
  24. engineer74
    engineer74 26 February 2014 09: 50
    +5
    The competition itself is crazy! Victory cannot be attributed to the commander, because Victory is the result of the exertion of the forces of the whole People, the whole Country. It does not matter where the person was: in the headquarters above the map, in the rear behind the machine tool, on the front line with a rifle, it is important that he gave all his strength, all his mind to the future Victory. And commanders, probably, can be compared by operations, there should be objective criteria, but this is a question for specialists, and not for the Internet.
    IMHO
  25. Zamachus
    Zamachus 26 February 2014 09: 50
    +5
    Quote: domokl
    Quote: Normman
    make Russians compare their heroes

    Or maybe the task is a little different - do not forget your heroes? Are you sure that modern youth, after all these education reforms, knows about them? Look at the preschool kids ... Everyone knows the characters of Disney, but almost no one before the release of the last, in many ways controversial cartoons , Russian heroes.
    Remember how recently, for many young people, the film Stalingrad became a revelation.

    About the film, Stalingrad, you can’t write about it; filthy roofing felts about a German who was hanging around to a slut roofing felts about a separately defending house (something like Pavlov’s house) were shot
  26. observer
    observer 26 February 2014 09: 53
    +5
    All the commanders in the list are heroes, each for his own era, if they had voted in the postwar 40s and 20th centuries, then G.K. Zhukov would probably have scored 100%, or the same thing about any other, the competition is incorrect, just a farce, another fundraising ...
  27. engineer74
    engineer74 26 February 2014 10: 00
    +3
    Quote: domokl
    Quote: Normman
    make Russians compare their heroes

    Or maybe the task is a little different - do not forget your heroes? Are you sure that modern youth, after all these education reforms, knows about them? Look at the preschool kids ... Everyone knows the characters of Disney, but almost no one before the release of the last, in many ways controversial cartoons , Russian heroes.
    Remember how recently, for many young people, the film Stalingrad became a revelation.

    There is a better idea: to organize regular historical Internet quizzes with prizes, you want an iPhone, learn history, according to a NORMAL textbook. Mercantile, of course, but at such a time we live. smile
    It’s possible on topwar.ru, I think we’ll pull one iPhone a week into the bucket.
  28. amigo1969
    amigo1969 26 February 2014 10: 19
    +4
    I believe that it is incorrect to compare Suvorov and Stalin. Different eras, different wars, different tasks. in the 18th century there was practically no communication and communication with the army that had left to fight. And thus the commander became an almost independent figure who made the decision of the offensive, retreat, maneuver, distribution of forces and means. Suvorov in such wars proved to be a GENIUS and UNBEATABLE commander !!! The 20th century, the Great Patriotic War - is completely different. A strict centralization of power, directive management of the economy, foreign policy and military-strategic tasks was necessary. Stalin dealt with her GREATLY !!!! Two GREAT strategists of Russia STALIN and SUVOROV! Both GLORY !!!!
  29. calocha
    calocha 26 February 2014 10: 23
    +2
    The competition is stupid !!! Provocative! All commanders are good! DO NOT belittle the dignity of anyone, whether in the Navy or on land. It's like comparing a dinosaur and a whale. It's completely stupid! Scum drags you into unnecessary disputes .....
    1. Toototam
      Toototam 26 February 2014 11: 43
      -1
      ~ All ... are good, - choose to taste; - you can simply mark the one who more closely matches your opinion about the significance of the person for the preservation of the Russian people. For example, I believe that such a person can be called Chapaev! In my opinion, it was precisely on people like him who were guided by all who, not sparing their lives, fought for the triumph of the victory of the working people! It was thanks to the Russians like him who supported all sane people all over the world!
  30. kirgudu
    kirgudu 26 February 2014 10: 32
    +12
    Where is our hero, Stalin I.V. ??? Again they think about thalirastia and how not to offend the maydauns (liberalists).

    It's time to think about your country, about its people, about ideology and the promotion of ideas to the west.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 26 February 2014 11: 04
      +6
      In the army, as in war, a community of people is born under the name - SOLDIER. I think this will suit everyone! Kutuzov said about himself: “I had wounds, I had ranks, I had awards. But most of all I was proud when they said about me "he is a real Russian soldier." In all his habits, Suvorov was unusually modest. “I am a soldier, I know neither a tribe nor a clan,” he once said to himself. On the day of the 25th anniversary of Victory, Zhukov came to the Central House of Writers. He was wearing a marshal's uniform and orders. The marshal's hair was completely gray. He went up on stage and the audience stood up. There were exclamations: “Hurray! Long live the author of Victory! ”

      Marshal Zhukov frowned. He went to the microphone and said briefly and dryly, as if giving the order: “The only author of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War is the Soviet people, the Russian soldier led by the party. Please remember this. ”
      1. Toototam
        Toototam 26 February 2014 11: 56
        0
        ~ War is a continuation of politics. A soldier is a performer. It was the lack of understanding of the need for the correct organization of society (communist) that led to the collapse of the USSR, to the fact that all Russian is denied, which is happening now in Ukraine.
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  32. SVD
    SVD 26 February 2014 10: 59
    +3
    The name of victory is VICTORY! And why ernichat? If Alexander Nevsky of the Crusaders or Dmitry Donskoy of the Tatar-Mongol had not been defeated, would the other generals have been at all? All commanders who defeated the enemy and defended their homeland should be on the same pedestal! They are all the first!
  33. Gray 43
    Gray 43 26 February 2014 11: 08
    +1
    Each one has his own war, each one has his own victory, for some the commander Suvorov means Victory, and for someone his platoon commander who carried out the order with skill and not with the blood of his subordinates. In the historical sense, it’s difficult to single out someone — they all did that Russia has not disappeared from the map, although those who wish it did not decrease over time, only the ways have changed. The competition, it seems to me, is a little pointless, it's like a debate about who is more important in battle, what kind of troops?
  34. Toototam
    Toototam 26 February 2014 11: 23
    0
    "" The name of victory "takes on a different shade. Consolidation of the Russian world" - The pogroms in Ukraine are unpleasant to me; but in any case, all factors must be taken into account. I think the most important thing is the turn of society from communism to capitalism. Russians were known throughout the world as the standard-bearers of peace and happiness for all working people; and now we ... have begun to "divide the Planet" (from the movie "Kin-dza-dza"). So everyone followed our example! We ourselves disbanded the USSR, changed the Constitution, renamed Stalingrad, Leningrad; they removed the monument to Dzerzhinsky, we are encroaching on the Lenin Mausoleum, changed, or rather outlawed, communist ideology, etc. etc. ~ You sow the wind, you reap the storm.
  35. Ossetian.
    Ossetian. 26 February 2014 11: 23
    +9
    And for those who are trying to lower the merits of Stalin, I’ll say one thing: YOU ARE BEARS OF POOR KALECHA !!!
    1. Toototam
      Toototam 26 February 2014 21: 06
      -1
      On the medal "For Victory over Germany" Stalin's words are minted: "Our cause is just - we won!" And now this business (of communist construction) has been replaced by the restoration of a society based on the exploitation of man-man; and rejoice, to the point that they destroy everything connected with communism ... ~ It is good to cut the branch on which you sit; but one must assume - where you will fly!
  36. RUSS
    RUSS 26 February 2014 11: 47
    -1
    Quote: FREGAT
    Learn history not from the TV box and kitchen press!


    Here, what is not comment is so a treatise on history, but every second forum member is a certified historian, teaching another and advising to learn history. The Bible is one, but it is interpreted differently in the same way and the history can be interpreted, taught and evaluated in different ways ....
    1. Toototam
      Toototam 26 February 2014 12: 07
      -1
      Learning does not mean cramming; you must try to form your own opinion. For example, Dostoevsky wrote that for thousands of years man’s consciousness has been privately owned, so the same amount of time will be required to transfer him to the public. But it is known that time does not exist at all - there is only the speed of the processes. And in social processes, the driving force is precisely the conscious activity of members of society.
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 26 February 2014 17: 05
      0
      Quote: RUSS
      and every second forum member is a certified historian

      So we are not the only ones to listen to your wise thoughts. Listen and you are the voice of the people!
  37. Arbatov
    Arbatov 26 February 2014 12: 01
    +2
    Quote: Altona
    Makhno ... was a good general

    The commander and commander are still different concepts.
  38. Support
    Support 26 February 2014 12: 37
    +4
    And who can say - did STALIN develop military operations or not? Yes, no one. But no one will take away the talent of the organizer from him. And in any case - the USSR won the war, led by Stalin. So he was better prepared for war, so that they would not speak. And not to mention him on the lists - a betrayal of the history of my Motherland - the USSR.
  39. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 26 February 2014 12: 57
    +1
    TOTALLY AGREE TO THE AUTHOR!
  40. Achilles Pyatkin
    Achilles Pyatkin 26 February 2014 13: 06
    0
    At Kipling, the monkeys also lived in ruins ... banderlogs...I believe that there is a wise Kaa on them
  41. Neophyte
    Neophyte 26 February 2014 13: 22
    +3
    Suvorov especially fell in love when he read that during pacification
    Polish uprising, made the Poles at the surrender of the fortress, leave only
    through latrines, such as a drainage pipe. The squeals screeched with anger and
    disgust, but crawled on feces, hunting is something to live! Well done, lowered the gentry
    to r ... ah!
  42. urban
    urban 26 February 2014 13: 31
    +1
    They forgot to include one surname in the list, which would gain a maximum of votes. Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin !!!
  43. adm656
    adm656 26 February 2014 13: 52
    +3
    The list is not Stalin .. and without it, this whole competition is simple bullshit .. Yes, the person is ambiguous, a tyrant, a dictator, but .... this is a PERSONALITY in history .. And I do not see anyone who could compare with him. .yes and in general, the competition is stupid .. our story is too big to choose one person. Yes, Suvorov, yes Kutuzov .. but these are different eras and different realities .. I see no reason to compare them with Zhukov or Rokossovsky .. IMHO .. BEFORE GREAT STALIN ...
  44. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 26 February 2014 13: 54
    +1
    Greenwood, Standard and many others are right who say that each era had its own, genius commanders. I consider the announcement of the "Name of Victory" contest to be another disguised provocation (which many fell for)! Each of the military leaders, at one time, led the Russians (Russian, Soviet) troops to victory was considered great and genius in the eyes of his contemporaries. And the competition was invented by those who want to deprive us of our own history of Russia.!
  45. ymNIK1970
    ymNIK1970 26 February 2014 16: 08
    0
    Here are recent events in Odessa

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  47. valokordin
    valokordin 26 February 2014 18: 25
    -2
    Stalin was a leader, leader and commander in the forefront, but the liberals and secret admirers of the Maydanuty people did not include him in the list, but they included Ivan the Terrible, Leiba Trotsky. Someone blundered that he had not developed a single military plan, what nonsense. Plans are developed by the headquarters, and the commander corrects it, approves, gives the task for its development and implements.
  48. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 26 February 2014 18: 39
    +1
    <<< "We demand from the new Ukrainian government to stop this chaos." (Russian Foreign Ministry)

    Gentlemen diplomats, there is no power in Ukraine! Neither new nor old ..... There is neo-Nazism, which is doing everything to provoke the Russian world, >>>
    In general, the reaction of Russia to the chaos in Ukraine is somehow not clear! Russia that RECOGNIZES to the joy of the West this new power of Bandera thugs? Recognizes the legitimacy of the Verkhovna Rada, working at gunpoint of the maydanut bandits? Does it recognize the legitimacy of its decisions and laws? Maybe we are ready to recognize the presidential elections in these "ultra-democratic" conditions to please the West? Obviously, for the West, this is only in Russia, where there are no Maidans, where gangs of militants with weapons do not openly walk around, who everywhere seize the buildings of government bodies and, in a rampant revolutionary expediency, kill representatives of the legitimate government, THERE CANNOT BE legal, democratic elections that the West would recognize without reservations! But in today's Ukraine, not only in Russia, there is finally genuine FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY, as it is understood in the West, and all this is realized, of course, within the framework of legality according to the standards of Western globalizers!
    1. Toototam
      Toototam 26 February 2014 21: 21
      0
      "Golden words!" ... however, if you look a little from the side, the picture will be somewhat different; Isn't our power capitalist ?! - So why the changes in Ukraine do not correspond to it: they beat Lenin in the head with hammers, and trample the star, ... - you just have to rejoice!
  49. fregina1
    fregina1 26 February 2014 18: 40
    0
    experience of Transnistria. Let us recall the words of the then commander of the 14th Army, General Lebed: “... The shadow of fascism fell on this fertile land. I believe that the former huge country should know about it. And I must remember that it was worth it [in 1941 - 1945] to break the backbone of fascism. And she must move in her historical memory. And I must remember what concessions to fascism turn out to be. And I must take measures to ensure that the Nazis take the right places on the pillar. "
    1. Toototam
      Toototam 26 February 2014 21: 33
      0
      Swan said very correctly; especially, if later I had not said also ~ I was already tired of going to the "Bright future!", took up matters affecting big business, and ... the helicopter, with it on board, ... sunk into eternity ...
  50. Scherbakov Ilya
    Scherbakov Ilya 26 February 2014 20: 09
    0
    created nothing but, excuse me, piles in the toilet
    well noticed. right so to speak the essence of the problem.
    1. Toototam
      Toototam 26 February 2014 21: 51
      0
      ... And yet it would be better to approach from the other side: do not poke your nose, and do not "wet in the toilet"; and try to understand why people begin to behave this way. But we do not have negotiations with the "terrorists". And therefore, it remains beyond the bounds of understanding what is the real reason ... - or is this just the goal: so that everyone is indignant, they themselves reach white heat - you can watch how our people kicked on the head of the lying representative of the Maidan, who was alone among the mass of "opponents"!