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Deja vu: Russia's economy will save ... privatization

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Last week in the Cabinet of Ministers of the Russian Federation outlined the plans and terms of the new privatization wave. The next privatization session should begin this year and last until the end of 2016. During this period of time, the state intends to sell into private hands blocks of shares (packages of different volumes) of such companies as VTB, Russian Railways, Sovcomflot, NMTP (Novorossiysk Commercial Sea Port), Rostelecom, Transneft and some others. The maximum sales volumes should concern “Russian Railways” (up to 25% of shares) and Sovcomflot (25% + one share).




For starters, what the representatives of the Russian government motivate the need to continue privatization. According to government experts, the new privatization wave will have to attract large investors into the Russian economy, thanks to which the efficiency of the above-mentioned enterprises will increase at almost astronomical rates. It’s a strange thing: for previous privatization sessions, large investors didn’t bother much, and here, you know, private investment flows will trample on ... Why should we?

State managers, in fact, once again declare that private management is a priori better than state management. That is, a representative of private capital should manage production, transport and other enterprises supposedly better than a government official does ... What is in this plan, however, low self-esteem of our government. Here's how to perform the final reports, so here the government does not cease to praise itself, but as soon as it concerns the management efficiency of large and highly profitable state-owned enterprises, the terms “privatization”, “need a private trader”, etc. are immediately implanted. But if there are no talents and opportunities to manage the economy, so what is easier - a statement “on its own” on the table - there is another one, which with both talents and capabilities ... As they say, the Russian Land has not become scanty ... But no, about the statement on its own “No one thinks about the Cabinet of Ministers and the management of state-owned companies - they all simply merged with their leather chairs.

But let us return from the lyrics to “physics” - that is, to what preferences besides “attracting private investors” the Russian government counts. At a recent government meeting, Dmitry Medvedev announced that privatization could provide additional funds for the Russian budget. He added that in 2014, the income from the sale of certain stakes in state-owned companies should be 200 billion rubles. Already 200 billion! - it would seem just a huge amount. But if we compare this amount with the parameters of the revenue side of the budget, then this amount hardly looks impressive. According to forecasts of the economic sector of the Russian government, the revenue part of the Russian budget this year will be about 14 trillion. rubles. Simple calculations can be obtained that the income from privatization acts in 2014 year can be (and "can make" and "make" - it's still different things) about 1,4%. Not to say that within the margin of error, but something about that ...

You can certainly say that for the economy of the country any possible income is important. It is hardly advisable to argue with this, however, speaking about possible privatization revenues, the Russian government somehow bypasses at least one important nuance. This is the nuance: for what specific purposes does the government need these 200 billions of rubles (and they still need to be received for the budget), if the state actually has a dead weight in fact much more substantial in foreign currency - the Reserve Fund of about 3,1 trillion. rubles, for example? At the household level, the privatization proposals from the government look something like this: there is a bag with bills under the bed - we can sell a cow to make money - we'll throw some more bills into a bag ...

Although, no ... The analogy with the cow is not entirely true, since the state is going to sell its "cows" not even entirely, but in "live" parts. For example, Transneft, AK, is going to sell a little more than 3% of shares. I wonder how the sale of such a package will spur the development of the company and its “more efficient” management. After all, if a cow's tail is “laid down” with a live “cow”, then it is unlikely that it will start to give more milk.

There is one more interesting detail: if the privatization “session” for the above-mentioned enterprises takes place, the state will still continue to invest its funds in these companies (that is, ours - the people), as it partially implements the shares. What does this ultimately give? For the state and the people - nothing, but for those who get direct access to such budget-funded companies - a lot. Why invest yourself, if financing comes from the state treasury anyway. You can immediately after the purchase of a stake to announce your financial situation, and the government will give a "tanga" ... And where will it go, because the government retains a controlling stake for itself. But it keeps for the time being ...

This is exactly what happened during the previous privatization waves - the state got rid of its enterprises, first in parts, and then it turned out that enterprises were simply not profitable. New owners were given money from the treasury - as if to help (they say, private owners are efficient by nature), but only the new owners did not hurry to raise profitability, but they were in a hurry to transfer the received financial support to their accounts. Time passed, no one was going to exercise control over the expenditure of state funds, the enterprise crumbled and was launched “on the ferrous metal”; land was sold in other hands; other hands - in the third hands, and you will not find the ends ...

Here is a concrete example from the current plan, which can be called, to put it mildly, strange: first, they are going to sell about 5% of Russian Railways shares (the first stage of the privatization of Russian Railways), and after that to invest money from the National Welfare Fund in development the country's railway infrastructure. On the one hand, statements about the development plans of the industry can really spur investors to invest in the project, but on the other hand, isn't this a loophole for affiliated companies that can get access to the huge funds that will be allocated to infrastructure projects from the National Welfare Fund?

Such pessimistic thoughts about privatization, of course, would not have arisen if all previous privatization “sessions” had been held purely for the benefit of the state treasury and for the development of enterprises. Those enterprises that went from private to private, and at the same time reached the highest level of efficiency (for the budget, and not only for their top managers) can be counted on the fingers of one hand. One of the not so long-standing privatization bubbles is the reorganization of RAO UES, when crushing and selling the company into private hands were drawn as an indispensable positive. Positive for the entire industry, and for each individual consumer. Like, today we will cut and sell to private owners, and tomorrow you (citizens) will see how much smaller values ​​will be in your receipts. They did not see smaller values ​​... And of the ideologists of such a campaign, no one claimed responsibility for outright lies, no one had passed through the person involved in the fraud case. Yes, that there “did not pass” - and things like this did not start ... “Campaigners” received new posts and new opportunities to continue their vigorous privatization activities.

And after that, again the tale of "positive privatization." What's this? - masochism against the background of lack of knowledge (with the attack on the same rake) or a frank anti-people course? The right, as they say, underline. If the first option - it will save the usual removal from office for incompetent, but if the second - then everything is much more serious ...
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  1. INTER
    INTER 25 February 2014 07: 58
    +8
    I think this action will finally destroy her, as they tried to do with the army at one time. The output of the final product and its cost in state-owned enterprises for the needs of the country is much lower than market, in addition it is a lever of influence on the economy.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 25 February 2014 08: 03
      +33
      just deja vu plin .....
      1. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 25 February 2014 09: 32
        +11
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        exactly deja vu plin .....


        "It what? - masochism against the background of a lack of knowledge (with stepping on the same rake) or an openly anti-popular course? The necessary, as they say, emphasize. "

        THIS - ends with "Ukraine". Even the most FROMTTTORLERANT do not stand up for Putin and the government (especially).

        Maybe you think ???
        Rhythmic Question repeat
        1. Luzhichanin
          Luzhichanin 25 February 2014 11: 30
          +6
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          E T O - ends with "Ukraine". Even the most OTTTTOLERANTNYE will not stand up for Putin and the government (especially).

          Maybe you think ???

          Today, by the way, the State Dura will consider the law on GMOs, apparently they decided that all attention will be diverted to Ukraine, thereby nobody will pay attention to the adoption of this law.

          Let me remind you that the Government decree on GMOs will come in the summer !!!

          Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of 23.09.2013 N 839 "On state registration of genetically modified organisms intended for release into the environment, as well as products obtained using such organisms or containing such organisms" (together with the "Rules for state registration of genetically modified organisms engineered organisms intended for release into the environment, as well as products obtained using such organisms or containing such organisms ")
      2. Luzhichanin
        Luzhichanin 25 February 2014 09: 33
        +4
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        just deja vu plin ..

        This is not déjà vu, this is the transfer of companies to foreign management. For this, an uncontrolled package is sold, to divert our eyes, so that to show us the "stupid" people that they say the state still rules them
      3. major071
        major071 25 February 2014 10: 05
        +15
        And the schemes are the same:
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 25 February 2014 11: 07
          +9
          Quote: major071
          And the schemes are the same:

          A little bit about Chubais!

          I want to tell you friends!
          About how a ginger combinator
          I put the country on a voucher!
          Great thief privatizer!

          Ah redhead naughty
          Would you like a bullet between your eyes ???
          And you are now sitting in Ross Nano
          Looking at us with a grin!

          Great, friend, how are you? Ready for privatization ??? hi drinks
          1. major071
            major071 25 February 2014 12: 22
            +10
            Hello namesake! hi drinks
            Arberes
            Great, friend, how are you? Ready for privatization ???


            I will answer with a joke: How can you live? I live well, I can badly. It turns out badly? No, it’s good, it’s bad! laughing
      4. AVV
        AVV 26 February 2014 00: 34
        +1
        Is it not enough for us to give the best for nothing? We need to organize the reverse process, from inefficient owners, to select enterprises and production !!! In favor of the state !!!
    2. 225chay
      225chay 25 February 2014 08: 27
      +19
      Quote: INTER
      I think this action will completely destroy her, as they tried to do with the army at one time

      Still not all stolen?
      to shoot the author of the idea of ​​privatization - this will be the greatest savings and benefits for the country
      1. Hon
        Hon 25 February 2014 08: 47
        +17
        Quote: 225chay
        shoot the author of the idea of ​​privatization
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 25 February 2014 09: 13
          +4
          And after that, again the tale of "positive privatization." What's this? - masochism against the background of lack of knowledge (with the attack on the same rake) or a frank anti-people course? The right, as they say, underline. If the first option - it will save the usual removal from office for incompetent, but if the second - then everything is much more serious ...


          This is the second, the enemies of the people in the leadership of the state. Their goal is the final destruction of the public sector of the economy and the seizure of state property in their own pockets through nominees.
        2. dmb
          dmb 25 February 2014 12: 02
          0
          In general, the proposal is reasonable, it remains only to clarify which of the two in the picture and for which privatization.
        3. PSih2097
          PSih2097 25 February 2014 19: 44
          0
          Quote: Hon
          Quote: 225chay
          shoot the author of the idea of ​​privatization

          So here you go ...
          http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/187/1000355.html
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      3. demel2
        demel2 25 February 2014 09: 10
        +4
        Whoever shoots him, he is untouchable, and Kvachkova was closed for a long time, so that nothing threatens him. He does not care what people think about him, the main thing at the highest level is honor and respect, especially foreign tops.
      4. INTER
        INTER 25 February 2014 11: 13
        +1
        Quote: 225chay
        Still not all stolen?

        I think not everyone if they are going to take a double 2 or what kind of account is it there?
        1. Shick
          Shick 25 February 2014 23: 29
          0
          and then they again recognize it as illegal, but still they will not be able to cancel it.
      5. Genur
        Genur 25 February 2014 14: 34
        +6
        Then the question arises - why do you need a government if everything is sold out? Leave one president and a couple of ministers: one will be responsible for the air, and the second for the sunlight ...
        1. rkkasa xnumx
          rkkasa xnumx 25 February 2014 21: 35
          +2
          Quote: Genur
          Then the question arises - why do you need a government if everything is sold out? Leave one president and a couple of ministers: one will be responsible for the air, and the second for the solar

          And another president, who would hang around at the Olympics
    3. Civil
      Civil 25 February 2014 09: 05
      +12
      Well, we will endure this privatization silently ...
      1. Shick
        Shick 25 February 2014 23: 30
        0
        that's for sure .. the threshold of patience with the Russian people is simply unlimited. when they start cutting everyone out into organs, can something change then?
    4. Interface
      Interface 25 February 2014 09: 07
      +14
      Medvedev is a dumb liberal podpindo-ss-nick. His place in the same coffin with the Gaidar !!! fool
      1. Ivan Petrovich
        Ivan Petrovich 25 February 2014 22: 09
        +1
        be bolder, add one more surname and the list will be more complete
        1. Shick
          Shick 25 February 2014 23: 32
          +2
          people don’t like about people yet), of course) Medvedev is cunning, will carry out privatization, and then some will yell that he did not say anything to the GDP, deceived him. And he will not be able to return anything, because the right of ownership was obtained by legal means ..
    5. Alez
      Alez 25 February 2014 09: 14
      +1
      The sale of state-owned enterprises will be bought through offshore companies controlled by Medvedev and his liberal circle. The so-called kickback to Medvedev before his departure. From Medvedev there is no sense everyone understands this.
    6. ddmm09
      ddmm09 25 February 2014 14: 07
      +1
      The details of privatization must be known, so far only words - sell-receive. Relations in the modern market are not known to us at all. I hope everyone will do it without a catch for Russia.
      1. alone
        alone 25 February 2014 21: 26
        0
        Russian economy will save ... privatization


        belay
    7. Shick
      Shick 25 February 2014 23: 27
      +1
      Also, think about who will be those investors. Abramovich? Vekselberg and others? Those who were able to grab the first privatization? It is logical to assume that they will continue to fill their pockets, as well as those that are especially close to the owner. They are already simply mocking the people. And then what? serfdom will be returned?
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 25 February 2014 08: 08
    +6
    Well, again Chubais wanted to eat, and when they finally choke, they all row and row under themselves an insatiable pack of invaders.
  3. parus2nik
    parus2nik 25 February 2014 08: 12
    +4
    Again, divide everything .. between the oligarchs .. when will you eat enough?
  4. Altona
    Altona 25 February 2014 08: 21
    +11
    This lesson is useless ... The fact that even the most profitable one in the state or at least performs a social function in the hands of a private trader ceases to make a profit at all (or even if it does, it always shows a loss according to statements) ... Especially in the absence external control ...
  5. fennekRUS
    fennekRUS 25 February 2014 08: 25
    +5
    Don't you think that the third option is possible? That these "gentlemen" are at the helm, just ANYTHING ELSE IS NOT ABLE TO DO! Even come up with a different reason to justify the next pulling.
    So they run around in a circle ..
    1. demel2
      demel2 25 February 2014 09: 17
      +5
      Quote: fennekRUS
      ANYTHING ELSE IS NOT ABLE TO DO!

      Well, it has long been known that they have a head, whatever it is. I don’t remember a single privatized enterprise that would be effective, but as soon as what difficulties, they immediately flee to the government to fix their affairs at our expense.
      1. fennekRUS
        fennekRUS 25 February 2014 14: 07
        +1
        That's what we are talking about, the system is sharpened to raze the "collective farm" property. This is the former "comrades" -pros. And there are no real business executives in the system. Neither old nor new. If a shark is programmed to grab and eat, then it will not be able to dig holes or weave braids from algae. And retraining is unlikely to work.
  6. waisson
    waisson 25 February 2014 08: 28
    +5
    WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO GET am
  7. trophy
    trophy 25 February 2014 08: 29
    +5
    Something our hand drove completely ceased to be original. Either they have completely forgotten how to think, or have become obsolete at the end. They act routinely. The picture is the same with defense services. First, the op about the multiple increase in military spending, then the creation of the next "horns and hooves" for the posting of money ala defencservice. The conclusion of a billion-dollar contract with this office and everyone is happy and contented, firewood in the original headstock on your pocket.
  8. Denis
    Denis 25 February 2014 08: 36
    +11
    And after that, again, the tales of the "positive privatization". What's this? - masochism against the background of a lack of knowledge (with the attack on the same rake) or a frank anti-people course?
    And Chubais is not hanged, but his work lives on!
    Yes, and thriving
    What candy wrapper now on the Volga which GAZ-24 can easily be exchanged?
    Vorie, mother ...
    Exit to nationalization!
  9. nemec55
    nemec55 25 February 2014 08: 45
    +1
    . Surprisingly, at first the man builds then someone sells to the rich, then the one who sold wants to pick up and the man spills blood while taking.
  10. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 25 February 2014 08: 49
    +10
    Over the years, after the coup d'etat, tens of thousands of industrial and agricultural enterprises were destroyed, tens of millions of jobs were eliminated. The ruthless privatization (robbery) of the property of the country and the people threw us into the category of African countries. Everything that is still possible is ruined under the slogan: “Private trader and the market will lead us to“ paradise. ”Only to which one? Already now our past is being defamed, our shrines are being destroyed (under the dictation of the predators of the West), our traditions and customs are being ridiculed. Russia has largely lost sovereignty and independence (Food security, goods mainly from China, ideology "rushing" from the west, all the media tell us about the United States, etc.) All these state-owned companies will eventually "divide" and go bankrupt. The Second World War and the restoration of our country showed a huge advantage The entire European West under the leadership of Hitler fought against us practically against us. All modern "attempts" of our illegitimate government with a DAMA at its head contribute to the destruction of the country, suppression of society and people and betrayal for the sake of Western occupation.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 25 February 2014 09: 32
      +3
      Quote: vlad.svargin
      All modern "attempts" of our illegitimate government headed by a LADY contribute to the destruction of the country

      And who appointed this illegitimate government?
      Answer please.
      1. creak
        creak 25 February 2014 10: 31
        +4
        They will not answer, it seems that the formula is close to them - the king is good, the boyars are bad ...
  11. assam4
    assam4 25 February 2014 08: 58
    +6
    An oligarch would rather buy a gold toilet than raise his employees' salaries.
  12. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 25 February 2014 09: 01
    +2
    As it was in the cartoon, if they say "Enough", then all their gold will turn into shards.
  13. AlexxxNik
    AlexxxNik 25 February 2014 09: 03
    +4
    someone said that we built budget capitalism (budget not because it is economical, but because it is located near budget), it would be better to put aluminum enterprises to privatization, closed by a spectacular private trader,
  14. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 25 February 2014 09: 19
    +9
    Maidan and other revolutions are bad, very bad, this is a disaster; but many "servants of the people" really want to wind their guts on a pitchfork.
  15. MahsusNazar
    MahsusNazar 25 February 2014 09: 23
    +5
    This should not be allowed, because this Dimon rushes with the idea of ​​privatization, and he has the brains not of a state official, but of a za.s.
    Stole the last
    1. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 25 February 2014 09: 34
      +6
      Quote: MahsusNazar
      because this is Dimon rushing with the idea of ​​privatization

      1. Boris55
        Boris55 25 February 2014 10: 05
        -9
        With this speech, Putin blocked that attempt at privatization and will block this one.
      2. Andriuha077
        Andriuha077 26 February 2014 21: 06
        0

        It is recognized that the goal of privatization was not to save the economy, but to destroy communism. The sale of factories and enterprises, their destruction, as well as the soldering of people leads to the suppression of the idea of ​​a fair life for people on Earth.
        The fight against communism = the fight against the Russians.

        Has anything changed?

        The same there.
  16. ZU-23
    ZU-23 25 February 2014 09: 40
    -1
    On the one hand, when a private trader is a decent person, it really gives a good boost to the economy, plus people’s salary, then the private trader is more quick-witted than a statesman on wages. Let’s say the scoop has led us to the fact that we are isolated in ourselves and all the progress has begun, of course there has been progress, but this is space and weapons as a rule, since this is a show-off business for the world, and we are a power. I don’t like business myself, well, since we are a democratic state, we are forced to live side by side with them, we just need control over them, and control is a controlling stake in these enterprises)))
    1. vadson
      vadson 25 February 2014 13: 57
      +1
      it would work if the private trader first modernized production, invested money and the controlling stake remained with the state and it would not invest, it only got taxes. but this is a fairy tale. their grandmas won't work with us
    2. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 25 February 2014 21: 50
      -1
      Quote: ZU-23
      Let’s say the scoop has led us to the fact that we are isolated in ourselves and all the progress has begun, of course there has been progress, but this is space and weapons as a rule, since this is a show-off business for the world, and we are a power.


      Not for the sake of window dressing for the world but to protect themselves from this very world, which is cruel to the weak.
  17. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 25 February 2014 09: 48
    +12
    If I express my opinion about privatization, then the moderators will ban me and close me! am
  18. rennim
    rennim 25 February 2014 09: 53
    +4
    Government managers, in fact, once again announce that private management is a priori better than state. That is, the representative of private capital should supposedly manage production, transport and other enterprises better than a government official does ...

    Government managers apparently have little understanding in general in business with the private, incl. foreign investors. Large blocks of shares are bought mainly by large corporations ... mostly foreign. The same hired directors are appointed to the post of directors (exactly like the state). The hired director is tasked to get the maximum profit at the lowest cost. Investors do not care how the company will be managed. They are only interested in profit.
    Only this profit will now go ONLY to them, and not to the state. The lump-sum proceeds from the sale of assets during privatization will be immediately consumed or cut, and the easiest way will be given as bonuses to those who recently managed the same state-owned company. The RAO UES is a great example ... And the state will again be left on the beans. corporations and companies such as Russian Railways and RAO should only be in state assets. The vital activity of the entire state directly depends on these companies, just like the nuclear industry and defense.
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    2. Altona
      Altona 25 February 2014 11: 39
      0
      Quote: rennim
      In my opinion, large corporations and companies such as Russian Railways and RAO should only be in state assets. The vital activity of the entire state directly depends on these companies, just like the nuclear industry and defense.

      _________________________
      Private business can be admitted to the public sector, but not through a thoughtless sale of assets, but as a co-investor, either financial or with intellectual capital, necessarily with a reasoned business plan for 3-5 years and subsequent verification of its implementation. And since now, this is the eating of "grandmother's jam", just ... Check how the funds were spent, how the management structure and technology changed, where did the "optimized" people go, where they went through retraining and were employed ...
  19. vmenyemyi
    vmenyemyi 25 February 2014 09: 53
    0
    Then you will think, maybe the "maydanutye" are right. to approve the list of government members on the Maidan.
  20. Mviktor
    Mviktor 25 February 2014 09: 57
    +3
    The Jews sensed the oligarchs that they would smell fried soon, and finally want to grab some more, they kept up in GayEurope. And the methodology is the same all over again, big state money is pumped into the enterprise, then privatization is looting and withdrawing money abroad. The thieves government of Medvedev provides Jews with the justification and legitimacy of privatization for oligarchs. Actually, these actions of the government are not legal, given the experience of previous privatizations, it smacks of betrayal of state interests.
  21. Mercenary
    Mercenary 25 February 2014 10: 04
    0
    themselves got drunk now they want bwb, we fed their children ..
  22. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake 25 February 2014 10: 06
    +2
    If Russia is brought to the "Maidan" ... the whole world will shudder am
  23. Freemason
    Freemason 25 February 2014 10: 13
    +3
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    If I express my opinion about privatization, then the moderators will ban me and close me! am

    +100500 I will support the statement!
  24. Stinger
    Stinger 25 February 2014 10: 17
    +1
    I wanted to write an opinion, but it turns out a solid mat. The moderator will not miss. RAO EU is not enough?
  25. Tanysh
    Tanysh 25 February 2014 10: 17
    +1
    The work of influence agents does not stop. when will we understand this? Bureaucratic capitalism is not capable of creation! Ukraine is an example of this!
  26. demon184
    demon184 25 February 2014 10: 26
    +1
    Yes, you need to privatize everything then and the government does not need what to rule? The lady must be sent to the Maidan, let them privatize there.
  27. SVD
    SVD 25 February 2014 10: 41
    +2
    Quote: 225chay
    Quote: INTER
    I think this action will completely destroy her, as they tried to do with the army at one time

    Still not all stolen?
    to shoot the author of the idea of ​​privatization - this will be the greatest savings and benefits for the country


    Correctly! And Medvedev, with other officials declaring the bad governance of the resignation!
  28. loginovich
    loginovich 25 February 2014 10: 41
    +2
    At fair market prices, I was frightened, and at the time of EBN, they were sold at fair market prices, but nothing was sold fairly. Thank God GDP recovered here taking into account the market situation. Chubais’s case-privatization lives on.
  29. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 25 February 2014 10: 57
    +3
    What is privatization? sale of state assets at bargain prices, with the payment of bribes to officials in huge amounts. Russian officials are ready to sell everything for bribes, including Russia as a whole.
  30. Gray 43
    Gray 43 25 February 2014 12: 34
    +1
    I join the opinion, it is necessary to replace the civil servant Medvedev with a more adequate person
    1. Hon
      Hon 25 February 2014 12: 47
      +1
      What for? Medvedev fits perfectly into the big picture.
      1. Gray 43
        Gray 43 25 February 2014 16: 31
        +2
        Some kind of unsightly landscape
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  31. Logos
    Logos 25 February 2014 12: 50
    +3
    So Russia really got out of the crisis, once a new wave of privatization began. And when the "effective owners" ruin the property entrusted to them, nationalization will begin again, during which the state will cover the losses and put the ruined enterprises on their feet so that they can be privatized again. Privatization of income, nationalization of losses, however
    1. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS 25 February 2014 14: 09
      0
      into the hole, it seems to me
  32. MrFYGY
    MrFYGY 25 February 2014 12: 55
    +1
    Gaidar's idiots are still in the government, and there are clouds of new "Chubais, etc."
  33. Koshel2901
    Koshel2901 25 February 2014 13: 29
    0
    "Bear" is (or has already become) the second "mushroom"
  34. AlNick
    AlNick 25 February 2014 13: 38
    +1
    Privatization in Russia takes place according to one scenario:
    - income in the pocket of the privatizer;
    - expenses, losses and modernization of production at the expense of the state, i.e. taxpayers - us am
  35. vyatom
    vyatom 25 February 2014 14: 04
    0
    Quote: assam4
    An oligarch would rather buy a gold toilet than raise his employees' salaries.

    The events in Ukraine showed "Who is who". And the cowardly thief Yanukovych fled shamefully leaving his country and people behind. I hope that our businessmen and oligarchs, despite any threats to our country, will remain with us to defend their homeland from the encroachments of the interventionists and the fifth column.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 25 February 2014 20: 43
      +3
      Quote: vyatom
      I hope that our businessmen and oligarchs, with any threats to our country, will remain with us to defend their homeland.

      So I see Abramovich’s yacht rushing along the waves to intercept the AUG. And after the group is finished, the fearless Boris Arkadievich will enter the capital along the Moskva River, in order to land an assault on Bolotnaya. And he will strangle the same five-columned white tape.
  36. melman
    melman 25 February 2014 14: 26
    +1
    Maybe nationalization is better? And after that to call Stalin and Lenin bandits who staged terror and genocide of their people? The overwhelming majority of the country would agree to this "terror" and "genocide" !!! In my opinion, we need a planned economy with market elements and a gold ruble, and put the gold mining industry on a par with the defense industry.
    1. Logos
      Logos 25 February 2014 15: 32
      0
      Quote: melman
      And after that to call Stalin and Lenin bandits who staged terror and genocide of their people? The overwhelming majority of the country would agree to this "terror" and "genocide" !!!

      Read whether an open letter to Shcholokhov to Stalin. I deeply doubt that you personally would agree that the Communists would hang you by the legs, burn your genitals with fire, and pull out your nails, demanding that you pay an excessive tax on taxes.
      Of course, in the Stalinist USSR there was a lot of good, but do not go too far with idealization
      1. melman
        melman 25 February 2014 16: 33
        +1
        On yours only red burned? Did they take away the bread, too? It was a civil war, and every government will do this to remove those who are disagreeable and disagreeable. After the civil war, everyone knew that the next war is a matter of time, and time is a very expensive thing and other methods for turning the agrarian side into an industrial one with an active "fifth column" would not be work. For each time, its own methods are good, I believe that at the moment it is a tough hand that is needed. On the account of the economy, I expressed my opinion and I think that the economy like the NEP is very relevant for Russia
        1. Logos
          Logos 25 February 2014 19: 57
          0
          And who in 1933 could still take bread from the Soviet peasants?
          About the fact that each government, if necessary, may resort to extremely cruel measures, I agree, but nevertheless the facts remain facts: the grain procurements in 1932-33 were accompanied by mass violence, torture and humiliation of the peasants (which then made up the vast majority of the population of the USSR) and I deeply doubt that most Russians and you personally would agree to take their place
  37. Ustas
    Ustas 25 February 2014 15: 44
    +3
    Last week, the plans and terms of the new privatization wave were outlined in the cabinet of ministers of the Russian Federation.

    Down with the occupation government!
    Give nationalization!
    Give state enterprises!
  38. Sour
    Sour 25 February 2014 15: 53
    0
    Privatization, like nationalization, alone does not produce anything.
    It all depends on the effectiveness of management, and not on the form of ownership.
    Both good and bad managers can be at both the state-owned enterprise and the private one.
    Although it is full of fools (both on that and on the other hand), for whom the main thing is the form of ownership.
    Another thing is that in a number of sectors (for example, in retail trade, services or agriculture), state ownership is initially ineffective, since it requires an immediate reaction to market requirements.
    On the other hand, in heavy engineering and shipbuilding, where enterprises operate on order, rather than on free sale, private property gives nothing. They need long-term investments that private owners are not always interested in.
    Private property on the railways gives nothing. But on vehicles it is preferable.
    In short, this issue is confusing and politicized. In fact, everything is very complicated and ambiguous.
  39. Gray 43
    Gray 43 25 February 2014 16: 35
    +4
    I work in Russian Railways, private traders are already tidying up some functions, and there are invisible firms, and who will ask them in case of an accident?
  40. Ross
    Ross 25 February 2014 17: 09
    0
    Quote: Z.A.M.
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    exactly deja vu plin .....


    "It what? - masochism against the background of a lack of knowledge (with stepping on the same rake) or an openly anti-popular course? The necessary, as they say, emphasize. "

    THIS - ends with "Ukraine". Even the most FROMTTTORLERANT do not stand up for Putin and the government (especially).

    Maybe you think ???
    Rhythmic Question repeat

    Surely special services monitor opinions on the internet. Need to cast your vote. Let them know.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 25 February 2014 19: 49
      0
      Quote: Ross
      Need to cast your vote. Let them know.

      Pug barked at the Elephant.
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    1. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 25 February 2014 22: 13
      0
      Comrade Stalin’s experience proved it!
  42. Owl
    Owl 25 February 2014 17: 31
    +4
    The experience of Ukraine is not clear to "fools" (thieves-privatizers from the government). In Ukraine, the people came to the square to protest against the theft of the president and thereby allowed the forces of nationalists in the amount of 2-3 thousand trained militants to arrange pogroms and a coup. The bulk of the protesters in Ukraine will understand that they were used and "fucked" after a while, but it will be too late. In Russia, another experiment is being conducted: "Will the population survive and in what quantity?", Tired, People are not "consumables", such "leaders" as they are now, "driving the economy" have no right to live and exist.
    1. Logos
      Logos 25 February 2014 18: 29
      +2
      What a coup there, since most of the Party of Regions functionaries remained in their places, simply betraying Yanukovych and going over to the side of the Euromaidan. In fact, nothing has changed for the people: the thieves' system as it was and remains, only the godfathers have changed
  43. Megatron
    Megatron 25 February 2014 17: 40
    +2
    Cheto, I did not understand, it seems like on the contrary, the results of privatization are going to be reviewed.
    Or Putin (right leg) does not know what the left is doing (Medvedev)?
  44. bilgesez
    bilgesez 25 February 2014 18: 40
    +2
    Russian Russian authorities.
  45. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 25 February 2014 19: 36
    +8
    I have repeated many times and affirm that the state is throwing entire problem sectors from its shoulders into private hands.
    Why? Everything is simple. Less hassle, funds and avoiding responsibility.
    This is an easy way to "milk" someone's business through taxes without straining.
    On this path, we will not go far.
    To cut "loot" through taxes, fines and tariffs, sorry, a criminal scheme. These are thieves' laws.
    Well, are we really getting out of our minds so much that we no longer see that the state approach has long been gone in Russia? With GDP, nothing changes! This dish is only poured with another sauce. The essence does not change !!!
    Sell-substitute-deduct and increase taxes, through them to strangle the business, pick up and again in a circle.
    I can safely say one thing - today there is no state as it should be. There are only selfish interests of individuals ... Compare the USSR and the Russian Federation and find 10 differences and it will become clear. Everything is relative...
    And the Russian economy will save ... a return to statehood.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 25 February 2014 19: 38
      +4
      Quote: Samsebenum
      I can safely say one thing - today there is no state as it should be. There are only the interests of individuals ...

      Wordless good
      Good evening, Valery hi
      1. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum 25 February 2014 19: 42
        +1
        Apollo
        Apollo, hello, dear friend !!!
        Glad to you! Thank you for understanding and support!!!
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 25 February 2014 19: 46
          +3
          Quote: Samsebenum
          Glad to you!

          Mutually good
          Quote: Samsebenum
          Thank you for understanding and support!!!

          In all the republics of the former Union, social irresponsibility, lawlessness and social inequality. Plus oligarchs. am
          1. Ivan Petrovich
            Ivan Petrovich 25 February 2014 22: 15
            0
            that is, we are no worse than others?
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  47. denis90
    denis90 25 February 2014 20: 13
    +1
    And then do not be surprised that the people went to the Maidan. In the government there is a fifth column, which brings the country to a situation like in Ukraine.
    1. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 25 February 2014 20: 30
      +1
      denis90

      It would be nice if the people still thought at least a trochka ...
      It is one thing to stand up against a thief, and another is to bring fascists instead of thieves ...
      Does this nation have the brain and intelligence?
      Apparently there are no differences for the people.
      if with a thief you lose your wallet, then with the fascists - a bullet in the forehead.
      I have no words ... Mass psychosis. Mass.
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  49. Karabin
    Karabin 25 February 2014 21: 08
    +3
    What's this? - masochism against the background of a lack of knowledge (with the attack on the same rake) or a frank anti-people course?

    These questions, it was necessary to ask, dear author, including myself, when campaigning for GDP. The privatization plan was not drawn up yesterday, not in 2013, and not even in 2012, but much earlier, in the government of V.V. Putin. The plan is only slightly adjusted in terms and positions, but is generally being implemented. The Grain Union was privatized in the work of Vnukovo. And you can hang all the dogs on Medvedev. And he did not get used, and his shortsightedness can be justified.
  50. Gray 43
    Gray 43 25 February 2014 21: 59
    +1
    Remember the story, Russia successfully survived all the hardships only under strict state administration.
    1. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 25 February 2014 22: 16
      0
      if Russia is destined to still live, then just like that