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Soviet-made BMP can be upgraded even in car repair shops

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In the course of military operations in Syria, the Soviet infantry fighting vehicles BMP-1 and BMP-2 became the main lightly armored vehicles. The Syrian army practically does not use the large fleet of armored personnel carriers at its disposal.


Soviet-made BMP can be upgraded even in car repair shops

True, the BMP themselves themselves suffer significant losses due to poor protection, so in the video reports from the hot spot you can often see military vehicles that have gone through military modernization. The same is done with captured equipment and representatives of formations hostile to official Damascus.

On the presented illustrations you can see a pretty good completion of the old Soviet machine. To protect a low-profile turret with a 73-mm cannon, anti-cumulative grids were installed on it, which should neutralize shots from RPGs. True, military experts have expressed doubts that everything will work quite effectively.


Amateur designers installed additional armor in front of the vehicle.
The defense of the sides was worked out very well, although the infantrymen were deprived of the opportunity to fire from the battlements.

A big disadvantage of our BMP is the presence of feed doors with built-in fuel tanks. In this version of the feed is covered with additional armor plates, which should increase the protection against small fire weapons.


This modernization demonstrates that, domestic BMP-1, simple and reliable, can be improved even in artisanal conditions.
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  1. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 24 February 2014 10: 36
    +5
    That's not news. To repair, at least in the garage. But in fact, sadly. Can.
    1. uralkos
      uralkos 24 February 2014 11: 21
      +2
      I agree, to this day they release these canned goods trying to pass them off as modern samples. Nothing is thought out. Chop blunder macaroons. Due to the intensive development and widespread use of RPGs in all theaters of operations, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles have lost their relevance. High profile, weak armor, vulnerability from wearable cheap RPGs and IEDs. The main gun in the form of a 30mm gun does not hold water. How to use it, against infantry? - It is obviously redundant and not effective. Against an APC and an enemy BMP ?, this is not a tank to fight at a direct distance. To hit weakly armored vehicles, a 23mm anti-aircraft gun is enough. Weapon systems must be re-reviewed and thought out in the most thorough manner.
      1. Argon
        Argon 24 February 2014 12: 42
        +11
        Unfortunately, they do not release, they only repair, I do not understand the statements about the "profiles" and the reasoning of not the HUSBAND but the CHILD about the wonderful 2A42 gun, by the way uralkos has absolutely no idea about its capabilities. (for example, on the BMP-3). And about the security, yes, the RPG is a big problem, and if such (shown in the "news") creativity will help against the "fly" then it is unlikely to save from the "vampire" (which in Syria is enough) We need KAZ for the BMP , and while it is not there, you can get by with an assembled, hinged factory-made protection kit that optimally combines the characteristics of security and weight.
  2. PROXOR
    PROXOR 24 February 2014 10: 49
    +9
    BMP - mass grave of infantry. A machine designed to support tank wedges with infantry, but not for fighting an enemy in the city.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 24 February 2014 11: 09
      +4
      Quote: PROXOR
      BMP - Machine designed to support tank wedges with infantry

      but not having a tank armor-NONSENS !!!!

      and who and where, it’s just not modernized (((
      Soviet technology, not killed and even the Papuans could figure out the mechanics !!
    2. JonnyT
      JonnyT 24 February 2014 11: 16
      +2
      But it is very maneuverable, which is very important when operating in limited areas of movement
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 24 February 2014 12: 35
        +2
        Quote: JonnyT
        limited areas of movement

        where, in city building ???
        BMP, created, for joint offensive tanks with tanks !!!!
        with tanks and armor should be tank (((
        but let's not forget that BMP 1 was created in the 60s (((
        and should have been applied, in the conditions of the enemy’s use of nuclear weapons (((
        with the complete destruction of anti-tank defense means (((
        and fought mainly in local-asymmetric wars (((
        and there, as soon as it was not modernized !!!

        1. JonnyT
          JonnyT 24 February 2014 14: 35
          0
          So I do not argue!
          But the fact that it is more maneuverable than any wheeled armored car is a fact
          1. max702
            max702 24 February 2014 21: 10
            +2
            By the way, when in the exercises they tried the option of breaking through the enemy’s fortifications (a la World War II) by escorting tanks and infantry fighting vehicles with shrapnel shells (just from the infantry’s infantry they couldn’t just hit the route of the fortification, and the technique at least those henna) the attack was more than successfully, since then the military has believed that the armor is sufficient, and most importantly keep the pace of the offensive operation. What can the generals always do to prepare for the past war ..
  3. kelevra
    kelevra 24 February 2014 11: 18
    +2
    Not surprised. Russian craftsmen could always make a machine gun or grenade launcher out of a couple of pieces of iron!
  4. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 24 February 2014 11: 30
    +3
    Guys. I’m not special in armored vehicles. But it seems to me that the BMP was created for raids, after the sweeps. And it was used in battles. If not, correct.
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 24 February 2014 13: 00
      0
      On the contrary, this can be said more about armored personnel carriers. BMP is a leading edge vehicle.
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 24 February 2014 16: 07
        +3
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        BMP is a leading edge vehicle.

        ... for quick all-weather and off-road delivery of infantry to the line of defense and its support from caponiers. That's why the tower is low-profile - so that because of sandbags or caponiers not to stick out much.
        And the ex cavalrymen decided to use it in the 1960s as a breakthrough machine.
        So the losses are unrealistic.
  5. screw cutter
    screw cutter 24 February 2014 11: 48
    +6
    As far as I remember, an infantry fighting vehicle exists for delivering an airborne assault to the clash line and covering it with a large calliber, and not for street battles. On an open field from an RPG, you’ll get horseradish in it, but in the forehead, engine room. Well, from ambushes in mountainous and wooded areas no armor will save.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 24 February 2014 12: 53
      -3
      Quote: screw cutter
      .On an open field from RPG, you’ll get horseradish in it

      in open battles with Israel, the Israelites did not miss (((
      losses in the BMP in the Egyptian army were catastrophic in the Sinai, almost all BMP 1s were destroyed, or captured by the Israelis !!!
      but not one BMP 1, was not used in the tzahal (((
      the Israelis studied in detail the captured BMPs and concluded that BMP 1, in view of weak armor and weapons, was not suitable for them (((
      what can not be said about the captured T-54,55, on their main gunners, made an excellent T-armored personnel carrier "Akhzarit", which in the 21st century is one of the best in the world !!!

      Quote: screw cutter
      Well, no armor will save from ambushes in mountainous-wooded areas.

      no penetrated armored vehicles no !!!!
      and in mountainous-wooded areas, air reconnaissance with UAVs and strike UAVs (((
      and then go the columns (((

      need to fight, weapons and tactics of the 21st century!!!
      not pay the lives of soldiers!!!
      1. screw cutter
        screw cutter 24 February 2014 13: 16
        +1
        I do not believe that the Israelis from RPG to BMP, only on the condition that it crawls 10-15km / h and from 50-150m. BMP should go behind the tan order and, if it detects infantry, land an assault force.
        And your link does not work.
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 24 February 2014 16: 17
          +1
          Quote: screw cutter
          BMP should go behind the tan order

          According to the charter and according to the operating instructions, of course it should.
          But in practice, they let her in as a means of breaking through INSTEAD of tanks.
          And this is not her role.
        2. cosmos111
          cosmos111 24 February 2014 18: 36
          0
          screw cutter
          I also do not believe the Israelis, but the fact remains (((
          In the war, the "Sudnorgo of the Day", Egypt and Syria flooded all BMP 1, shot down or simply abandoned, by crews !!!!
          Yes, the lack of training affected the Arabs and just cowardice !!!!

          the charter is a necessary matter, but who and in what war observed it ????

          and a link, I have not yet given (((
          here are the links:
          http://earth-chronicles.ru/news/2013-10-06-52268
          http://ymorno.ru/index.php?showtopic=60387
          the use of BMP 1,2, in Afghanistan, and in the Chechen wars, revealed the same shortcomings ((
          1.bad booking
          2. Lack of mine protection
          3.U BMP 1 76 mm cannon, "Thunder"
          Quote: screw cutter
          and the detection of infantry to land for stripping.

          in a clean field, landed, without covering armored vehicles ???
          such a landing, in modern combat, threatens the complete destruction of the crew and infantry fighting vehicles !!!
          the use of anti-tank systems, heavy sniper machine gun fire!!!
          1. sergey261180
            sergey261180 24 February 2014 19: 58
            0
            3.U BMP 1 76 mm cannon, "Thunder"
            Not 76 mm, but 73 mm.
    2. dustycat
      dustycat 24 February 2014 16: 13
      0
      Quote: screw cutter
      On an open field from RPG to horseradish

      you will miss by shooting from a knee or from a trench.
      She also has a low-profile tower with a very strong slope so that it does not stick out of the caponier lined with sandbags.
      And a 45mm gun with a steep path for the same - so as not to protrude.
      And from it they made a direct fire and breakthrough defense machine.
      1. sergey261180
        sergey261180 24 February 2014 19: 59
        +1
        And a 45mm cannon with a steep path
        Where is there a 45 mm saw ?!
  6. MAG
    MAG 24 February 2014 12: 30
    0
    I have all the videos with armor in Syria raises 1 question - why do they have infantry in armor riding or do they have more armored behi))) We almost always went on armor when detonated, there is a chance to survive during shelling to immediately see where they are hammering and give back , in armor they went only to ambushes and to help specialists to "addresses" (for stealth)))))
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 24 February 2014 16: 23
      +1
      Because if you look at the rollers carefully, a mine clearing vehicle with a trawl is going ahead.
      Well, follow the instructions.
      Because in urban battles, the main problem is not mines, but small arms and snipers.
      Well, the Syrians use it more competently - purely to enter the area of ​​operation and cover infantry.
      The points are processed by tanks held slightly behind or from the crowd of infantry fighting vehicles - as it should be in street battles.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 24 February 2014 19: 48
        0
        Quote: dustycat
        e rollers more carefully ahead the mine clearing vehicle with a trawl rides.

        and if a landmine is mounted on a tree, or as Chechen fighters on poles, power lines (((

        Quote: dustycat
        In family battles, the main problem is not mines, but small arms and snipers.

        Quote: dustycat
        purely to enter the area of ​​action and cover infantry.

        in these matters with you, I completely agree !!!!
        and not one fighter of the Syrian army will not see on the armor !!!!
        everything is only in the BMP case, under cover of armor !!!


        but despite the detonation, all who were in the BMP corps remained alive!!!!
        and if they were on the armor ???
  7. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 24 February 2014 13: 00
    +1
    There is nothing good about it. This only suggests that the old BMPs do not meet modern requirements.
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 24 February 2014 16: 24
      +3
      And there is nothing to use it as a tank.
      It’s just a transporter and a little firing point of a slightly larger caliber than infantry carried small arms.
  8. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 24 February 2014 16: 32
    0
    it turns out "Need for inventions is cunning", but there will only be any sense from this.
  9. svp67
    svp67 24 February 2014 16: 42
    +1
    This modernization demonstrates that the domestic BMP-1, simple and reliable, can be improved even in artisanal conditions
    And why be surprised "beha" is akin to the Kalashnikov assault rifle, it was created for a mass army and for a global war ... And all the local modernization is about strengthening the reservation and does not concern either weapons or other equipment. But modern technology is already so easy in the "garage "you can't modernize.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 24 February 2014 18: 44
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      it is not so easy to modernize modern technology in the "garage".

      what were good and were, at one time BMP 1,2 (((
      maintainability, in any conditions (((
      by the crew itself, or by low-qualification techniques !!!
      for this they loved equipment from the USSR, simplicity, reliability, cheapness (((
  10. Leshka
    Leshka 24 February 2014 18: 21
    0
    soldier's wit
  11. clidon
    clidon 24 February 2014 19: 14
    +1
    Armored vehicles of any production can be upgraded in auto repair shops. Fortunately, in order to weld the grids, a lot of technical devices are not needed.
  12. sergey261180
    sergey261180 24 February 2014 20: 11
    +2
    They showed once again that the troops needed a heavy infantry fighting vehicle with armor like a tank. And these our theorists of x..eva continue to stubbornly rivet centaurs, kurgans and other plywood x..nyu.
    1. Fobos-grunt
      Fobos-grunt 24 February 2014 21: 55
      +1
      Today, infantry fighting vehicles are also going back to basics; a truck sheathed with armor plates. buoyancy is not as important as the ability to cross rivers on dilapidated bridges Placing motorized riflemen on top of armor suggests an open body. in the new models no no yes you will notice the features of the M-3 "scout" and the Soviet BTR-40
      1. densh
        densh 25 February 2014 01: 10
        0
        Quote: Fobos-grunt
        Today, infantry fighting vehicles are also returning to their origins.

        The fighters of the Syrian branch of Al-Ansar, the armed wing of the Iraqi Communist Party, fighting on the side of the rebels, have created their own armored vehicle. Outwardly, it looks like a rusty metal box, however, in fact, it implements a few know-how. So, the car was created on the basis of a serial car, which increases its maintainability in conditions of a shortage of spare parts. In addition, it is equipped with a large-caliber machine gun, that is, it is capable of providing fire support to units of the advancing infantry of the Syrian rebels. Finally, there are no loopholes, let alone glass - the driver and machine gunner are guided by the picture from the surveillance cameras installed on the combat vehicle. At the same time, the machine gunner controls his weapon using a joystick from the Sony PlayStation game console, which significantly speeds up the training process for recruits, since they are familiar with this control from childhood. About whether the machine will be launched into mass production, nothing has been reported. But its name is known - Sham II. What the first version looked like and what its fate was - is not specified, but it is stated that the armored vehicle "is 100% made in Syria."
  13. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 25 February 2014 00: 35
    0
    The main thing is not to overdo it. Yesterday there was an explosion in our mine. MCC. It looks like the guys shifted the TNT. The wall collapsed, the rails were covered with torn concrete. And the concrete is still "Stalinist"! 40 cm nearby. And the cars are 20 meters from the break. The guys in the shift from the explosion jumped as much. We changed them. But the sight is not pleasant. There is no photo and will not be. It is forbidden with us to transport sotikas and cameras. Three security cordons when traveling up the mountain. .Simple tunnels are cut to lay 800 water supply pipes at the Institute of Chemical Plant.
  14. schizophrenic
    schizophrenic 25 February 2014 01: 27
    0
    Quote: densh
    At the same time, the machine gunner controls his gun using the joystick from the Sony PlayStation

    It remains only to connect the mouse laughing and claudia wassat