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Unmanned bombers. Flight tomorrow

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Unmanned bombers. Flight tomorrow



Magnificent flesh without soul. The corpse, fearlessly standing over the abyss of its own destruction. A clot of military matter, programmed to destroy any one whose description will coincide with the “picture” loaded in his memory. The machine does not know pity and fear - the black automatic "ramp" is carried in a shaky stratosphere, leaving countries and continents under its wing ...

There are serious prerequisites for the fact that the “military pilot” profession will completely disappear by the end of this century. Man - extra weight on board. The robot is smarter, stronger and more courageous than any pilot. In addition, it does not require additional payment for risk and is generally unpretentious when choosing working conditions.

The digital brain does not require an ejection seat and cockpit workspace. He does not need long-term training and regular training to maintain qualifications: mathematical models and behavior algorithms in battle are forever loaded in his memory. Having stood in the hangar for a decade, the robot can at any moment return to the sky, taking the helm in its strong and skillful "hands".

Machines are tougher than man. Ten, twenty, thirty hours of uninterrupted flight - the robot shows constant vigor and is ready to continue the mission. Even when the overloads reached the terrible 10 "same", filling the pilot's body with lead weight, the digital devil will retain clarity of consciousness, continuing to calmly calculate the course and calculate the position of enemy aircraft.

But this is a matter of the near future.

Nowadays, the level of computer technology is still insufficient to create fully autonomous "UAVs". Engineers have to repeatedly increase the performance of computers. And to mathematicians and programmers - to solve many applied tasks, to build mathematical models of the behavior of machines in aerial combat and when working on ground targets in conditions of an unpredictable combat situation and opposition from the enemy.

In fact, all adopted percussion and reconnaissance "drones" ("Predator", "Reaper", "Global Hawk", etc.) are remotely controlled UAVs. All decisions are made by a team of operators exercising permanent control over the device. Cameras and radars mounted on board the UAV provide a “presence effect” over the battlefield, without jeopardizing the lives and health of people. And the shift work of the operators allows the drone to be continuously in the air for dozens of hours.



Remote-controlled UAVs are a long-standing practice in stories world aviation. Actual samples of such systems appeared back in the 30s of the last century, and soon found widespread use in the form of radio-controlled air targets. By the middle of World War II, the Interstate TDR-1 unmanned torpedo bomber, equipped with a 900 kg bomb and a camera with a viewing angle of 35 °, was flying with might and main in the USA. It is known about the reliable sinking of a Japanese ship and successful attacks onshore facilities. Nevertheless, the unique program was soon covered up - the Yankees felt that they had enough brave pilots.

Nowadays, remote-controlled UAVs are relevant only when performing the simplest tasks: specific and radar reconnaissance, monitoring the poppy harvest, shooting at al-Qaeda leaders jeeps in the complete absence of air defense and enemy fighter aircraft.

"Predator and Reaper are useless in a combat environment."

- Head of the United States Air Force Combat Aviation Command, General Mike Hostage

General Hostej did not discover anything new. Low-speed turboprop UAVs cannot be considered a full-fledged replacement for supersonic fighters. "Reaper" was designed specifically for low-intensity conflicts, where it is used as a light scout and hunter for terrorists.


Heavy reconnaissance UAV RQ-4 Global Hawk


Much more serious sounds another: a remotely controlled UAV a priori can not perform complex tricks and lead an air battle. The reasons are obvious:

1. Already, to control the scout RQ-4 Global Hawk requires a broadband channel with a data rate of 50 Mbps. Creating a line for remote control and control of a fighter is an extremely difficult technical task. Moreover, such a solution seems irrational due to the influence of the fundamental laws of nature - the radio signal lag (UAV - satellite - operator).

2. There is a threat of violation of the control of BRLA by the enemy EW. And if control interception can be viewed as another “urban legend” (256-bit “key”, directional radiation antennas, linking reliable radiation sources to specific coordinates - thus the risk of “hacking” is reduced to zero), then jamming the signal and “clogging with noise "UAV control lines can be the real cause of the loss of expensive apparatus.


SATCOM Directional Satellite Antenna

The Air Force requires an extremely intelligent machine with the makings of artificial intelligence, capable of independently analyzing the environment, determining the nature of the threats, and if necessary - applying weapon for selected targets. Operator intervention will be limited to confirmation of permission to use weapons. However, you can do without these flirting with the UN and the liberal public - let the iron monster classifies goals and destroys everything. So much the worse for the enemy!

A robot cannot harm a person or by its inaction allow a person to be harmed.

- A. Azimov, "Round dance"

Old Isaac was deeply mistaken. It will happen very soon - an electronic "eye" will take a man’s sight, and the microcircuit will indifferently issue an order to attack.

Most of the necessary technology exists today.

The Tomahawk cruise missile demonstrates the ability to independently navigate the terrain using relief maps, GPS signals and digitized images of the target.

Pilotless subtle UAV X-47B landed on the deck of the aircraft carrier in robotic mode.

The Advanced Scientific Research Agency (DARPA) conducted a successful experiment to refuel Global Hawk UAVs from another flying drone in a fully automatic mode.


X-47B

Robots confidently beat people in chess. In California, Florida and Nevada, unmanned vehicles are allowed to travel on public roads. The day is near when driver's licenses and pilot licenses will be completely abolished.

Fears of possible failures and accidents are pure profanity. The history of world aviation is littered with the wreckage of airplanes, broken by the pilots. In this sense, a robot is much safer than a human being - he is not inclined to joke and violate instructions. He does not lose consciousness from lack of oxygen and is not subject to panic in a critical situation. And there are no perfect robots - this is their main similarity with humans.


Statistics combat use of "Reaper". The number of attacks made. The number of dead. The main performance characteristics of the shock UAV

Over the past few years, “drones” have overcome several stages of their evolution at once. Robots have learned to fly with the preservation of the combat system, independently carry out take-off, landing, refueling and other complex maneuvers. It remains to embody all the proven technologies in a single design - and feel free to go into battle!

British "guardian of heaven"

One of the first owners of autonomous percussion "drone" can be the Royal Air Force. It was there, on the shores of Foggy Albion, that work was underway to create a new generation of drone UAVs that would surpass all existing models of unmanned aerial vehicles in their characteristics. And will be able to make a tough competition to manned combat aircraft.

The ideas and dreams embodied in the design of the B-2 "Spirit" and the promising X-47B, rallied in a single burst, forming a masterpiece of scientific and design ideas called BAE Systems Taranis. The project of an unobtrusive automatic bomber with a strategic range of flight, developed in the interests of the Royal Air Force of Great Britain. According to the plans of the defense company BAE Systems, their new development has all chances to replace a significant part of the fleet of attack aircraft. Delivery of the first production machines is planned for 2030-s.



A number of large companies were involved in the development of the latest UAVs, among which are BAE, Rolls-Royce, GE Aviation System, as well as the Ministry of Defense of Great Britain.

"Taranis" (named after the Celtic god of thunder) is an unmanned aerial vehicle, made under the "flying wing". During the first flight tests, the take-off weight was 8 tons. Never before has man made such perfect flying robots: strategic range, supersonic flight speed, stealth technology, but most importantly - for the first time in the world, an artificial intelligence scheme was on board the UAV! "Taranis" without the help of a person is able to go to a given area of ​​the globe, independently detect and destroy a target. In addition to the shock component, the possibility for reconnaissance and air combat is provided.



Work on the creation of "Taranis" were conducted in 2005 year, but only now they started talking about him seriously as a car from the future. The first prototype appeared in 2010. The first flight was scheduled for 2011, but, as often happens, the schedule was stalled, and Taranis disappeared from public view for a long time. Are there such “projects” being developed all over the world ?! Only a few of them grow to the stage of the first flight and, in an exceptional case, are put into service.

But as it turned out, the project "Taranis" is not dead. 5 February 2014 of the year, BAE Systems has released information about the flight tests of the machine, conducted in special secrecy at the Australian Woomera test site in August 2013 of the year. The British are unabashedly moving towards their goal and will surely bring their plans to a logical conclusion.



Among the critics of the new apparatus, two points of view prevail. The first is quite expected to speak about the inadmissibility of allowing the machines to decide human fates. It is immoral, sacrilegious and, quite simply, dangerous. However, the live pilot is also not immune from mistakes - cases of "friendly fire" and the accidental death of the civilian population occur regularly in any war.

Other experts have expressed doubt about the possibility of a full replacement of existing fighter-bombers with Taranis. It is easy to understand by looking at the characteristics of the machines: the Eurofighter Typhoon engine makes up almost 12 tons, while the Taranis is equipped with a Rolls-Royce Adour TRD with only 2,94 tons.

However, this problem has nothing to do with the very idea of ​​an automatic UAV. Do not forget that in the existing form "Taranis" is nothing more than a concept demonstrator of new technologies. And it is not known what this drone will turn into at the time of its adoption. For example, in the US, a program to create a heavy stealth drone X-47C with a combat load of 4,5 tons has already been announced. A little less than that of a typical bomber (despite the fact that we are talking about internal bomb-compartments - the suspension of ammunition is made without violating the secrecy).

Everything goes to the fact that sooner or later the sky will be dominated by machines. Robots will save us from all the hard, difficult and dangerous work. And people will fall on their knees before them and give them tea.



Based on:
http://www.baesystems.com
http://www.businessinsider.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk
http://www.mashinomania.ru
http://www.uasvision.com
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  1. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 24 February 2014 08: 06
    +2
    On February 17, an unknown heavy military drone flew over the Ulyanovsk sky in the sky, after which it disappeared from the radar screens, the Kommersant newspaper reported today. At the same time, the UAV dangerously approached two DOSAAF aircraft.

    The incident occurred on the morning of February 17 near the village of Arkhangelskoye in the regulated area of ​​air flights. The dispatcher noticed an unidentified UAV on the radar, which dangerously approached two DOSAAF aircraft that were training, and gave a command to abruptly change course.

    After that, the drone disappeared from the radar screens, flying away in the direction of Penza.

    A special commission has been created to investigate the incident.
    Well, how to understand it! WHERE GOOD AIR! belayWRINKLES ARE NECESSARY AND NOW SEARCH THE WIND IN THE FIELD!
    1. Petergut
      Petergut 24 February 2014 10: 20
      +8
      Don’t react so emotionally, buddy.
      If this is not a newspaper duck and not an observation error, then we can conclude that the UAV is Russian. The silence of the air defense also explains this, and I am sure that it is not inactive. In addition, if it is a foreign UAV, then it must be based somewhere, and the nearest bases of our sworn partners are far from central Russia. And what tasks a foreign UAV in Russia can solve is not entirely clear to me. Intelligence service? It is unlikely that satellites are more effective. Yes, and I doubt that star-striped elves would risk losing an ultramodern apparatus in Russia.
      Something like this.
      1. Siberia 9444
        Siberia 9444 24 February 2014 11: 01
        +2
        I thought the same thing like a duck, it's just a STRONG hunt to see the wreckage and excellent air defense work. Thanks for the comment. yes
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    2. Michael_59
      Michael_59 24 February 2014 10: 33
      +4
      An UAV in Ulyanovsk from a NATO base crawled out of a container, took off and flew to Ukraine ... wassat

      Probably for Yanuk ...
  2. Nayhas
    Nayhas 24 February 2014 08: 15
    +1
    The Advanced Scientific Research Agency (DARPA) conducted a successful experiment to refuel Global Hawk UAVs from another flying drone in a fully automatic mode.

    As far as I remember, it was a question of simulating refueling; in reality, fuel was not transmitted. If wrong, correct ...
    The alleged fear of robots that kill all humans is more populist. There are many people in the world who are languishing in obscurity and have no talents other than bawling, and they undertake to unleash all sorts of fears ranging from global warming to GMOs ... The topic of killer robots is one of those. The fear of robots will eventually pass and they will become commonplace. Public transport, cargo transportation in the forefront of robotization, I hope soon the term "guest worker" will become an anachronism and a sign of backwardness (a minibus without chanson, what could be better ...). "Soon" is of course a relative concept, within the framework of human history, of course, many admirers of this resource, like me, will not see this.
    P.S .:
    "Predator and Reaper are useless in a combat environment."

    Come on. At least they are suitable for opening an air defense system. The enemy willfully have to cut the radar, thereby giving out its coordinates and type. As far as I remember, Israel has already done so.
    1. Santa Fe
      24 February 2014 17: 18
      +3
      Quote: Nayhas
      At least they are suitable for opening an air defense system.

      Dear, why such difficulties ?! request

      Since 2012, the U.S. Air Force and Raytheon have adopted the false targets MALD-J (Miniature Air Launched Decoy Jammer).



      The missile weighs less than 300 pounds and has a flight range of about 500 nautical miles, designed to protect aircraft and their crews, simulating the flights and radar signature of US aircraft and their allies.

      It remains to raise the RC-135W Rivit Joint into the air - and all the enemy’s air defense in full view
  3. Professor
    Professor 24 February 2014 10: 09
    +4
    And if the control interception can be considered as yet another “urban legend” (256-bit “key”, directional radiation antennas, binding of reliable radiation sources to specific coordinates - thereby the risk of “hacking” is reduced to zero), then signal jamming and “jamming by interference” »UAV control lines can become a real cause of the loss of an expensive device.

    Directional radiation antennas can be clogged only in theory and with the probability that a 256-bit “key” can be cracked.
    1. Russkiy53
      Russkiy53 24 February 2014 14: 24
      0
      They’ve already scored ... only the program in it, some kind of autonomous one, turned on, he just returned and went home ...
      1. Professor
        Professor 24 February 2014 14: 49
        +1
        Quote: Russkiy53
        Already scored ..

        evidence in the studio
        1. Russkiy53
          Russkiy53 25 February 2014 15: 51
          +1
          And there are proofs to such things, what are they :)))? Thank you say that, at least, they told you that. The flag, like, is smart at you, but yourself :)))) ...
          1. Professor
            Professor 25 February 2014 15: 53
            0
            Quote: Russkiy53
            And there are proofs to such things, what are they :)))? Thank you say that, at least, they told you that. The flag, like, is smart at you, but yourself :)))) ...

            Facts, facts, and again facts.
    2. andrey682006
      andrey682006 24 February 2014 18: 27
      -1
      Directional radiation antennas can be clogged only in theory and with the probability that a 256-bit “key” can be cracked.

      Evidence in the studio.
      1. Professor
        Professor 24 February 2014 22: 55
        0
        Quote: andrey682006
        Evidence in the studio.

        Do you begin to conduct an educational program with arithmetic, or do we immediately turn to probability theory? wink
      2. zaazua
        zaazua 24 February 2014 23: 08
        +1
        yes. 2 ^ N passwords (N-number of bits of encryption!)
        good luck
  4. hz123
    hz123 24 February 2014 10: 25
    0
    I think in the i-bombers they will replace anything they love. I do not believe that the price is more than the managed ones. They will put in a series of business deals. read that they laugh at small bn. 100th other small with a reb on board, etc., and they do not mind, they will not create problems?
    1. Russkiy53
      Russkiy53 24 February 2014 14: 31
      0
      Well, a supercomputer (like Krel) is really expensive ... but, after all, a pilot is more expensive :) ???
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  6. Nexus 6
    Nexus 6 24 February 2014 10: 49
    +6
    Guardian bird. Robert Sheckley 1953 year ...
    Plot.
    Humanity has gathered to solve the problem of killings with the help of uncontrolled self-learning flying robots: guardian birds. Birds must protect against any encroachment on life. However, in the process of exploitation, it turns out that in the process of self-training, the birds expanded the concept of “killing” and began to consider it as an encroachment on life and fishing, and the destruction of insects, and surgical operations. Later, the birds decided that the mechanisms are also living things, so turning off the ignition of the car is a murder. The earth was threatened with extinction: birds did not allow plowing the land, tearing grass and harvesting.
    The developers created the Hawks - uncontrolled self-learning flying machines for killing guard-birds. But the Hawks after the destruction of birds also came to the conclusion that you can kill other creatures.
    1. Mister X
      Mister X 24 February 2014 19: 38
      0
      Quote: Nexus 6
      Guardian bird. Robert Sheckley 1953 year ...
      Plot.
      Humanity has gathered to solve the problem of killings with the help of uncontrolled self-learning flying robots:


      Shot from the movie Stealth 2005
      A plane with artificial intelligence in unmanned mode attacks a military object.

  7. lpd1
    lpd1 24 February 2014 10: 56
    -1
    Quote: Professor
    Directional radiation antennas can be clogged only in theory and with the probability that a 256-bit “key” can be cracked.


    Dear Prof,
    דיין אינפֿאָרמאַציע שמעקן פון מאָטהבאַללס
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 25 February 2014 01: 12
      0
      Quote: lpd1
      דיין אינפֿאָרמאַציע שמעקן פון מאָטהבאַללס

      aoptyschgit kashpkshch pshkusheyshyshvtm kshposhshshkeg yes
  8. MACCABI TLV
    MACCABI TLV 24 February 2014 12: 16
    0
    Much more serious sounds another: a remotely controlled UAV a priori can not perform complex tricks and lead an air battle. The reasons are obvious:

    Article title Unmanned bombers. Flight tomorrow
    first question. Why would a bomber conduct an air battle and perform complex tricks?
    the second question: What can prevent such an UAV from entering the air defense zone (or even not entering) and unload at least this:

    while being completely autonomous, using pre-loaded coordinates, and using a global positioning system that is still not jammed?
    http://izvestia.ru/news/536181
    1. Russkiy53
      Russkiy53 24 February 2014 14: 27
      0
      Well, suppose the AI ​​can calmly fire on-board weapons, but a bigger bomb is really not necessary :)))!
    2. beard999
      beard999 24 February 2014 14: 42
      +2
      Quote: MACCABI TLV
      Why would a bomber conduct an air battle and perform complex tricks?

      The modern use of manned bombers practically boils down to launching a rocket launcher. Moreover, launches are made, not just outside the enemy’s ground defense and its fighter aircraft, but generally from outside the country that has become the target of the strike. In this case, manned bombers by themselves are at safe distances from the enemy. But they are allowed precisely by strategic missiles that have launch ranges of over 1000 km. But promising drones-bombers are not carriers of the Kyrgyz Republic. So far, they have declared BN, a maximum of 4500 kg. Unmanned bombers, most likely, to be unloaded, will have to enter the enemy’s air defense coverage area and, moreover, their aircraft’s coverage area. And how do you think they will be protected from them?
      Quote: MACCABI TLV
      it can prevent such a UAV from entering the air defense zone (or even not entering) and unload it, at least

      If I understand correctly on the GBU-39 video? She has a maximum discharge range of 112 km, from a height of more than 10 km. The S-300PM and S-400 air defense systems already in service are equipped with missiles with a maximum launch range of 250 km, and the S-300V4 has missiles with a range of over 300 km. At the same time, the firepower of these air defense systems can well be advanced forward in relation to the protected object, a hundred or two kilometers. The GBU-39 carrier cannot even approach the discharge point, as it will already be under fire from the enemy’s air defense systems ... And if the enemy has modern fighter aircraft? In this case, the first line of air defense can generally be located within 1000-1500 km from the protected object. And as you know in aerial combat, any bomber is almost helpless.
      Quote: MACCABI TLV
      still not jammed?

      It depends on what. For example, Diabazol has no difficulties with this http://www.protek-vrn.ru/production/reb/diabazol.html. True, high efficiency is maintained when the target’s flight altitude is below 3000 m. Nevertheless, introducing interference for aircraft TSAs using guidance correction using the SNA is quite enough.
      1. postman
        postman 24 February 2014 17: 32
        +3
        Quote: beard999
        For example, Diabazol has no difficulties with this.


        ?
        1. "Diabazol" -stuns "from bottom to top" (where is the UAV? -> UP, let's say at an altitude of 5 km, control goes through an air repeater (or from the ground, WHERE IS THERE)
        jamming signal comes from the bottom up, at an angle to the UAV, and control from the UAV to the MCC goes from top to bottom, at an unknown angle to the earth and what azimuth
        There, UAV antennas are oriented
        DIRECTION of the "jamming" signal DOES NOT COINCIDE with the control signal
        2. power decreases in proportion to the 2nd power of the distance.
        3. UAV still need to find (detect and escort)
        Conclusion
        Quote: beard999
        no difficulties
        -This is nonsense, unless you place "Diabazol" "next to the UAV, or MCC- which is unrealistic
      2. MACCABI TLV
        MACCABI TLV 25 February 2014 09: 37
        0
        Quote: beard999
        But promising drones-bombers are not carriers of the Kyrgyz Republic.

        but they are built on stealth technologies designed to reach the target not detected. winked

        Quote: beard999
        And how do you think they will be protected from them?

        they will not be, but there will be UAV escorts (a flying platform with air-to-air missiles, and aimed at targets by ordinary fighters flying behind)

        Quote: beard999
        If I understand correctly on the GBU-39 video

        Spice250 c declared range of 100 km.
        Quote: beard999
        The S-300PM and S-400 air defense systems already in service are equipped with missiles with a maximum launch range of 250 km, and the S-300V4 has missiles with a range of over 300 km.

        How many UAVs are invisible, able to detect the S-300 until today?
        1. Russkiy53
          Russkiy53 25 February 2014 15: 54
          +2
          Yes, and with 300km. :)))?
      3. MACCABI TLV
        MACCABI TLV 25 February 2014 09: 37
        +1
        Quote: beard999
        But promising drones-bombers are not carriers of the Kyrgyz Republic.

        but they are built on stealth technologies designed to reach the target not detected. winked

        Quote: beard999
        And how do you think they will be protected from them?

        they will not be, but there will be UAV escorts (a flying platform with air-to-air missiles, and aimed at targets by ordinary fighters flying behind)

        Quote: beard999
        If I understand correctly on the GBU-39 video

        Spice250 c declared range of 100 km.
        Quote: beard999
        The S-300PM and S-400 air defense systems already in service are equipped with missiles with a maximum launch range of 250 km, and the S-300V4 has missiles with a range of over 300 km.

        How many UAVs are invisible, able to detect the S-300 until today?
    3. andrey682006
      andrey682006 24 February 2014 18: 44
      -2
      Advertising is so-so.
      Unconvincing.
      It was necessary to voice in Russian.
      And so it’s immediately clear - Raphael is trying to make money on the Pentagon.
      By the way, why would the Americans need this device if they have a set of remaking old bombs into controlled ones?

      What is this wunderwafer called?

      What did you want to say with the above link - that the existing Russian electronic warfare system on September 28.09.2012, XNUMX was not able to clog the signal from the GPS?

      Jewish self-promotion begins to annoy ...
    4. Tyler Durden
      Tyler Durden 24 February 2014 18: 50
      +3
      Quote: MACCABI TLV
      What can prevent such an UAV from entering the air defense zone (or even not entering) and unload at least this:


      hi Conscience!! hi
      on the inadmissibility of allowing machines to rule human destinies


      Why do they want to blame cars for everything, request they are much more responsible people. ¿How many people die on the roads due to the fault of drivers? and ¿How many would die if cars were driven by cars? am
      Cars differ from people in that they fulfill all the safety points that they will be assigned to, will not thump, drive too fast, and so on ... good
    5. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 24 February 2014 20: 09
      0
      Quote: MACCABI TLV
      and using a global positioning system that is still not jammed?

      What prevents our satellite system from determining the coordinates and the trajectory of this planning bomb in this case?
      1. Santa Fe
        24 February 2014 20: 34
        +2
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        What prevents our satellite system from determining the coordinates and the trajectory of this planning bomb in this case?

        1. What should be the "density" of the satellite network coverage - to CONSTANTLY monitor the selected area of ​​the planet ??



        2. Resolution - how to see such a small-sized object from space?

        2. PERFORMANCE. While the operator (or program) notices suspicious movement in the pictures, determines the parameters, and contacts the responsible persons. KR will reach the goal
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 24 February 2014 21: 58
          0
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          ... What should be the "density" of the satellite network coverage - to CONSTANTLY monitor the selected area of ​​the planet ??

          Your General Staff says about Liana
          The new system is more versatile - because of its higher orbit, it can scan not only large objects in the ocean, which the Soviet Legend was capable of, but also any object up to 1 meter in size anywhere in the world. Accuracy has grown more than 100 times - up to 3 meters. And while there are no nuclear reactors that pose a threat to the Earth’s ecosystem.

          In 2013, Roscosmos and the Russian Ministry of Defense completed the experimental creation of Liana in orbit and began to debug its systems. According to the plan, by the end of 2014, the system will work by 100%. It consists of four latest radar reconnaissance satellites, which will be based at an altitude of about 1 thousand km above the planet’s surface and constantly scan ground, air and sea space for the presence of enemy targets.

          The speed of computer technology is no longer relevant, and the passage of a radio signal of 2 thousand km is less than instant.
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          2. Santa Fe
            24 February 2014 23: 05
            +1
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            it is less than instant.

            Several hours.
            Until they discover, verify, and contact those who are responsible for air defense. Until something is done there = guaranteed failure.
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            but also any object up to 1 meter in size anywhere in the world.

            The selected point of the planet! But continuously monitor the situation over an entire region of the Earth (the size of the Moscow region) - impossible

            The satellite flew in a couple of minutes and disappeared beyond the horizon - the next time it will fly over this area of ​​the Earth only after a day. How many such satellites will be required for continuous monitoring ??

            ICRC "Legend" - was in many ways a profanation. A total of 32 satellites in 15 years.
            "Experimental exercise showed a low probability of target designation from the Legend spacecraft - Admiral Kapitanets I.M., 1985 year

            Although the task there was simpler - indicate the square where the enemy’s ships are located (general information - coordinates, strength, direction of movement) and transfer this information to the Navy ships. Time was a car - a day.

            // The movement of GPS satellites, but they have a very high orbit - 20 thousand km. Scouts fly 40 times lower.
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 25 February 2014 14: 32
              0
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              Several hours.
              Until they discover, verify, and contact those who are responsible for air defense. Until something is done there = guaranteed failure.

              And if it also happens at night then ....
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              The satellite flew in a couple of minutes and disappeared beyond the horizon - the next time it will fly over this area of ​​the Earth only in a day

              Gagarin flew around the earth in two hours, why did you get this term? You can calculate the speed and altitude of the satellite so that it will be constantly above the same point on the planet.
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              "The experimental exercise showed a low probability of target designation from the Legend spacecraft - Admiral Kapitanets IM, 1985

              Probably they didn’t want to upset the Americans, otherwise they would build another 20 aircraft carriers with a fright, the world would go around the world.
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              The movement of GPS satellites, but they have a very high orbit - 20 thousand km. Scouts fly 40 times lower.

              Not now 20 times lower. And if the Liana system is tied to GLONASS and something else?
              1. Santa Fe
                25 February 2014 19: 20
                +1
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                Gagarin flew around the earth in two hours

                But this does not mean that in the next round the astronaut will fly over the same regions of the Earth

                Earth's own rotation around the axis


                It’s not without reason that such zigzags!

                Quote: saturn.mmm
                the speed and altitude of the satellite so that it will be constantly above the same point on the planet.

                GSO? Easy but only for a point on the equator Altitude 35786 km. But what can be seen from such a distance is the question
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                Not now 20 times lower.

                A bit high.
                Despite the fact that nothing prevents lowering the satellite lower (the Legends had problems because of the altitude of the 200-250 km radar satellites - an orbit with short-term stability)

                Animation with GPS - satellite orbits and Earth's own rotation are clearly visible on it (yellow dashed lines converge at one point). Moreover, GPS / Glonass has a very high orbit, and the task is not to accurately fly over any selected site. The satellite can be tens of thousands of kilometers from the GPS-navigator, the main thing is that it be visible above the horizon
                1. saturn.mmm
                  saturn.mmm 25 February 2014 22: 09
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                  But this does not mean that in the next round the astronaut will fly over the same regions of the Earth

                  Low-orbit satellite - a satellite that is launched into orbit up to 1000 km with a rotation time around the earth of 1.5-2 hours. Low-orbit communication satellites allow receiving a strong signal on the ground. Data transmission systems use complexes of low-orbit satellites in which a chain of satellites flying one after another interacts with each subscriber system.
                  The most important feature of modern low-orbit systems is a large selection of services. Different operators may have different types of services, but their set usually includes:

                  - telephone connection;
                  - facsimile;
                  - data transfer (including high-speed);
                  - email;
                  - short message service (SMS);
                  - paging.
                  - location determination

                  Personal satellite radiotelephone communication systems include Globalstar, Iridium, Gonets-R, Signal, Courier, etc. The range of services provided by the operators of these systems is approximately the same. It is determined by the user's terminal device (telephone, fax, pager) and can be supplemented by roaming.
                  Perhaps "Liana is integrated into these networks, I don’t know I will not argue, I just came across positive reviews about" Liana "several times, probably no one will tell the truth.
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  GSO? Easily, but only for a point on the Equator. Altitude 35786 km.

                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  You can calculate the speed and altitude of the satellite so that it will be constantly above the same point on the planet.

                  It seems not to contradict.
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  A bit high.

                  Altitude is a thousand kilometers, as the General Staff said.
          3. Know-nothing
            Know-nothing 25 February 2014 20: 01
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            This is stated by Sergei Tikhonov. You can see the rest of this author's creos http://expert.ru/dossier/author/499315/
            It consists of four latest radar reconnaissance satellites, which will be based

            Can you name the numbers of these satellites or links to their launches? It is highly doubtful that you will find more than one http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Космос-2455

            At the end of the article, Seryozha claims
            Another satellite for the Liana system was launched into orbit in the autumn of 2013 of the year - Lotus-S 14Ф145

            - That would be nice to confirm.

            Next
            in the 2014, the prospective Pion-NKS 14F139 radar reconnaissance satellite will go into space, which is capable of detecting an object the size of a car on any surface. Until 2015, another “Peony” will be included in Liana, thus the size of the system constellation will expand to four satellites.


            That is, in fact, we have a "grouping" of one electronic intelligence satellite launched on 20.11.2009, from incomplete target equipment (they wrote that he had been reflashed and "Now the military has no complaints against him" - understand it as you like). Trajectory Cosmos-2455 http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=36095

            And yes, the RTR satellite will not detect a gliding bomb.
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      3. MACCABI TLV
        MACCABI TLV 25 February 2014 10: 31
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        For example, the US has already announced a program to create a heavy stealth drone X-47C with a payload of 4,5 tons. A little less than that of a typical bomber (despite the fact that we are talking about internal bomb compartments - the suspension of ammunition is carried out without breaking the secrecy).

        Quote: saturn.mmm
        What prevents our satellite system from determining the coordinates and the trajectory of this planning bomb in this case?

        Spice 250 weighs 150 kg, how many spaces fit in 4.5 tons? and how many in the link X-47? determine your health, but how will this help?
  9. postman
    postman 24 February 2014 17: 21
    +2
    A new DARPA crowdsourcing initiative called UAVForge aims to develop small unmanned aerial vehicles for vertical take-off and landing (Stealthy Persistent Perch and Stare or SP2S): Americans create military equipment the whole country
    According to the terms of the competition, the presented device must be able to maneuver around obstacles, observe with maximum autonomy, have a “follow me” mode, and also not give out its presence with a loud sound. The UAV payload includes the ability to identify a person and his activity at a distance of up to 100 meters, and real-time video must be transmitted to a control center remote at a distance of up to 3,2 km. The observation time cannot be less than three hours, and the device itself must fit into the size of the backpack
    DARPA program manager Jim McCormick believes the “crowd" of enthusiasts even in the absence of any meaningful funding, it can give new ideas that can be immediately applied on the battlefield.
    / Crowd-Driven Combat Support Vehicle - a prototype light armored vehicle was developed and built in just 98 days. /
    1. Santa Fe
      24 February 2014 17: 41
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      Mr. Postman

      Outraged!

      "crowdsourcing", DARPA, UAVForge, Persistent, Perch .... you just pick up words. You are not in St. Petersburg, but on the all-Union website
      Quote: Postman
      unmanned aerial vehicles of vertical take-off and landing

      Quote: Postman
      and the device itself should fit into the size of the backpack

      They have nothing to do?

      RQ-11 Raven. Army, ILC and SEAL - ALREADY built 3700 + units. Runs from the hand. Weight 1,7 kg!


      Touched. Cover for the magazine UT ("Young Technician") for 1988
      1. postman
        postman 24 February 2014 20: 46
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        They have nothing to do?


        Why them?
        Everyone !! "do nothing"

        UAVs are launched “from hand”, the flight duration of the device is 40 minutes. The device transmits the optimal picture of the terrain from a height of 200 meters, but it is able to rise to a height of up to 4 thousand meters, that is, work in mountainous conditions. The drone is equipped with an electric motor, the wing span of the device is 0,6 m.

        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Touched. Cover for the magazine UT ("Young Technician") for 1988

        I haven’t met at 88m in UT, in TM, in NiZh about tactical reconnaissance UAVs


        The performance characteristics of the UAV of the Russian Federation

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  11. postman
    postman 24 February 2014 17: 44
    +1
    DARPA is going to radically solve the issue of UAV vulnerability to cyber attacks with the help of “absolute” CRASH protection - development of specialists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology /
    This system is somewhat similar to the human immune system and impedes the penetration of malicious code into military software.
    CRASH will detect suspicious activity, analyze it for possible attacks and block the implementation of the information system.


    and the University of Cambridge Computer Laboratory is testing the foundation for CRASH-worthy Trustworthy Systems Research and Development (CTSRD)
    CHERI -Capability Hardware Enhanced RISC Instructions

    TESLA -Temporally Enforced Security Logic Assertions
    1. andrey682006
      andrey682006 24 February 2014 19: 20
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      Just going? What, have not decided yet? Is the ad already running?
      Well, the Yankees, well, corrupt.
      Oh, sorry, lobbyists and PR ... laughing
      1. postman
        postman 24 February 2014 20: 41
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        Quote: andrey682006
        Is the ad already running?

        the senate allocates money for a reason, "you have a product, we have a merchant"
        DARPA's activities are funded from the budget of the US Department of Defense, and the Agency plans its budget and advanced research program for each financial year. The budget is published in February, the fiscal year begins in October.
        Quote: andrey682006
        Well, corrupt.

        what is corruption? or so for the "word"?
        The total DARPA budget in recent years has not changed significantly. The amount of financing for the 2012 fiscal year decreased in relation to 2011 by 19,3 million US dollars or by 0,7%. The amount of financing for the fiscal year 2013 increased slightly compared to 2012 - by $ 1,4 million, or 0,05%.
        DARPA employs approximately 247 people.
        Quote: andrey682006
        lobbyists and PR people ...

        it is not clear who the "lobist" is? DARPA? And Rusnano?
        "PR" ... well, this is not Ksenia Sobchak, n. F. Kirkorov
        ============
        read below before CALLING
  12. rezident
    rezident 24 February 2014 18: 29
    +1
    It’s easier to just knock it down than to hammer a signal. After all, if it was spotted, it is easier to direct fighters or shoot from ground air defense until it flew away. And if you haven’t noticed what to suppress then?
    1. Russkiy53
      Russkiy53 25 February 2014 15: 57
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      They couldn’t bring him down with me ... though we only had tunguska ... and ,, it became scary :) ... for a short while, true :))) ...
  13. Metlik
    Metlik 25 February 2014 01: 51
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    What will happen when the UAVs begin to disguise themselves as birds? And they will certainly begin, otherwise you cannot hide a scout in the sky.
    Even in peacetime, when endangered species are protected by law, nature is dying out, unable to bear the growing humanity. What will happen when we begin to destroy it purposefully?
    1. Nexus 6
      Nexus 6 25 February 2014 11: 20
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      Already.
      At Defense Defense and Equipment International (DSEi), companies from all over the world presented the latest military unmanned aerial and ground vehicles. One of the most interesting novelties was the Shepherd-MIL drone, imitating the appearance of an eagle.
    2. Russkiy53
      Russkiy53 25 February 2014 16: 03
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      The problem will disappear, humanity will stop growing :))) ..
  14. Russkiy53
    Russkiy53 25 February 2014 15: 59
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    Well, in the afternoon it is clearly visible :))) detecting is not a problem :)))!
  15. Tishka
    Tishka 1 November 2014 01: 43
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    A little optimism, the Americans have screwed up, with the creation of a robot that, for some reason, shot its creators, firing 2000 rounds of ammunition at them, all the ammunition! But an idea, for now. promising, no one will deny that it is possible to create a program that will twist aerobatics according to the program, in principle, a person does this, but the machine is less sensitive to overloads, the main thing is to withstand the glider. And against the enemy’s air defense, there are regular developments that allow the pilot to leave the affected area. This and the machine can be taught when the locator detects a missile, the maneuvering unit is turned on, and the aircraft rotates all the pieces itself until the threat of defeat disappears, and with such overloads that the pilot never dreamed of. So, to teach the robot to break through the air defense zone is quite possible without human intervention. With the interception, too, I don’t think that air battles are going on just like in the Second World War, it’s all easier, I found a target, launched a rocket, but if it reaches the dump, what could prevent the robot from fighting, according to the established program? The main thing is to go to the enemy’s tail, or side, and shoot him with all his weapons, but the robot’s decision-making speed is higher, and he is not tormented by doubts whether he is right or not! There is a program, he worked it out, and there is no torment of conscience, what is there. a living person, not a piece of metal! And 3 dimensional models of the goal to create a possibly defined goal. Even a piece of the image, and fired, and what may not fall, then the pilot is not safe from this! So, science fiction writers can rest, the first thing we teach robots is to kill, and then, think about it, put them 3 laws of robotics, or it will do!