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How is the Duma going to “press” migrant workers?

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Russian lawmakers are trying to put a barrier that would prevent migrant migrant workers from acquiring Russian housing. Naturally, after the publication of such data by information agencies, members of the so-called human rights organizations raised a friendly disapproval: they say that this is done, honest workers are not given the opportunity to purchase housing for themselves - VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS and all that! True, recently in Russia, the response to the primary reaction of human rights defenders has become calmer. Most of the people have learned to distinguish organizations that are really ready to protect the rights and freedoms of Russians from those who are used to work out their foreign bread that gets to Russia by hook or by crook. Human rights organizations performed the usual aria, marking their presence on the stage, and continued to look at the continuation of the action from behind the scenes.


How do domestic deputies (and the authors of the initiative, deputies from the Communist Party faction) motivate their readiness to cut off housing oxygen to immigrants in Russia, and which immigrants will fall under the new legislative decisions? We will try to understand this issue in more detail.

Last year, almost 136 thousand visitors from foreign countries became citizens of the Russian Federation. This information is provided by the Federal Migration Service. Unfortunately, the FMS does not have data on which number of 136 thousand new Russians is of those persons who themselves and their ancestors have no relation to Russia (the RSFSR) (did not). We can only assume that hardly all of these 136 thousand are ethnic Russians or representatives of other indigenous peoples of Russia who returned to historical Homeland. Obviously, among them there is a very weighty percentage of those who at one time arrived in Russia from the states of Central Asia or the Caucasus in search of, let’s say, more (if everything grows together) “tasty” life.

How is the Duma going to “press” migrant workers?


To obtain Russian citizenship for a native of the post-Soviet solar republic is actually not so difficult as one would expect. Even if you close your eyes to the presence of an obvious corruption component in this matter, you can find other “400 relatively honest” and very, very honest ways of obtaining a passport of a Russian citizen in a relatively short time. If you refer to the document that for a citizen of a foreign state regulates the possibility of becoming a citizen of Russia over time, here such honest ways are described in black and white.

So, to become a citizen of Russia, being a resident (and citizen) of another country, you can, if you really want to ... As soon as such a desire has arisen, a person must come to Russia, learn ("on the way" or already in place) Russian, declare imagine that he is ready to comply with Russian law. Next - you should get a residence permit, live 5 for years on the Russian territory - and clap your passport on your hands. In the same document there are interesting additions. They concern how you can become a Russian citizen even before the expiration of the 5-year period of residence with a residence permit in your hands. Here is one of these additions:

The “applicant” must have special achievements in science or culture, or have a profession that is of value to Russia.


Here comes the first question: how is the value of the profession determined? Judging by the words of the representatives of the Russian government, today we have the most valuable and demanded working professions. If so, can a yesterday’s citizen of Tajikistan or Uzbekistan become a full-fledged citizen of Russia, if he, for example, is a mechanic or a carpenter? And if he acquires a “specialist in nanotechnology” in the “crust” transition? It seems to be absurd, but after all, there is a loophole, which means that someone took advantage of it thanks to the work of “incorruptible” employees in the regional offices of the FMS.

Here is another addition:

To obtain citizenship in this country before the expiration of the five-year period of uninterrupted stay, you must meet certain conditions:


For example, the

A person who wants to become a citizen of the Russian Federation, previously had USSR citizenship, and is not a citizen of any of the countries of the former Union and resides in the territory of the former Union (USSR).


Well, there is no problem here at all: a passport from the Motherland is far away under the bed - and that’s all - you are not a citizen of any of the former Soviet republics living in the territory of the former USSR ...

It remains to obtain a residence permit. And here begins the scheme, which told the very deputies of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, speaking with the said initiative. The scheme is approximately the following: a group of “labor migrants” (for example, from Uzbekistan or any other republic), in order to speed up the process of obtaining a residence permit, decides to become the owner of Russian real estate. There is a considerable number of banks that are ready to issue a mortgage (and any other) loan with minimal provision from the applicant of documents, plus “in the mix” - one loan is taken by the whole family. And what big and "friendly" families (for 10-12 people with brothers, wives, sisters, etc.) come to Russia from the same Uzbekistan or Tajikistan is well known to all. That is, if one of the migrants for the bank temporarily “denies” his Kyrgyz passport from mattress wool, which he did not have (passport) when writing an application for a residence permit, then this person has every chance to get money for hands and purchase a home. But you can and without a passport - a lot of cases ... And how many people can "de jure" be the owners of such housing from among the "guests" of Russia, applying for full citizenship, you can only guess. A commercial bank, as they say, on the drum, who takes a loan from him - he knows that the housing before the final payment, in fact, still belongs to him (the bank). His task - to mow mad interest.

Deputies from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation see a way out of the situation in the need to determine the minimum living space per person and for those who are an applicant for first a residence permit, and then the citizenship of the Russian Federation. In addition, lawmakers from the Communist Party call for limiting banking activity in relation to stateless persons - to introduce a maximum credit limit for such persons in the amount of 200 thousand rubles.

It seems to be the right initiative, but only how effective will it be? If in large Russian cities housing is, to put it mildly, not cheap, then, for example, in endangered villages a good house can be purchased at a ridiculous price. On the periphery (in villages and townships) a good-quality wooden house is purchased for 50-60 thousand rubles (there are options and cheaper) - the old people died, the children and grandchildren who left the village for a long time either have to just leave the house or try to sell it at the lowest possible price And here it is unlikely that anyone will seriously disassemble to whom it is he who sells the inherited property — to Russian, Uzbek, or someone else — the main thing is that the buyer was found. And the buyer is, in fact, even for a 50 migrant worker, a thousand rubles is not the biggest money when it comes to buying a home in Russia. It is for this reason that entire villages in the central regions of Russia are literally bought up by “labor migrants” who become owners of Russian real estate, which significantly expands the rights of these people. As a result, owning real estate in some average Ivanovka or Petrovka, a former citizen of the solar “Stan”, after a very short period of time, becomes a full citizen of the Russian Federation, “thus improving” demography in the Russian Federation. Wives receive benefits for the birth of the second and subsequent children - all according to the law ...

It is obvious that the parliamentary initiative is unlikely to become a real barrier to the acquisition of real estate in Russia by the same migrant workers. “Hardly”, because it is half-hearted and too, too, tolerant. Although what kind of tough initiative can be discussed now, when practically any guest-worker is positioned by business representatives and even federal ministers almost as a labor and demographic panacea for our country ...
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  1. parus2nik
    parus2nik 24 February 2014 07: 42
    +12
    Unfortunately, it’s too late to put up barriers, but it’s necessary .. Someone suggested taking 30 rubles for entry .. I made crap, here’s the money for expulsion ..
    1. Vladimir.z.
      Vladimir.z. 24 February 2014 07: 54
      +32
      It is necessary to press our employers so that they comply with labor laws, as well as the heads of various bodies that do not fulfill their duties .....
      1. parus2nik
        parus2nik 24 February 2014 08: 13
        +6
        Corruption, that’s the trouble ..
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        2. siberalt
          siberalt 24 February 2014 09: 46
          +6
          Corruption must not be considered separately from the state system. It is not a fact that the term corruption is absent in the text of our Constitution. She is woven into her legal norms. Starting with the prohibition of state ideology. No state - appear corrupt and nationalistic in fact.
        3. AVV
          AVV 24 February 2014 15: 38
          +3
          Quote: parus2nik
          Corruption, that’s the trouble ..

          To expel at the expense of those who gave the go-ahead for entry !!! And on the other, if possible, and if not, then !!!
        4. 225chay
          225chay 24 February 2014 18: 24
          +3
          Quote: parus2nik
          Corruption, that’s the trouble ..


          Authorities do everything to replace indigenous people with immigrants
          1. parus2nik
            parus2nik 24 February 2014 19: 54
            +1
            And then ... Dimon Ayfonov, just recently said that the salary is 15-30 thousand .. too much, just with the use of cheap labor .. we will reach the highest heights in the economy .. In general, the slogan is Uzbek, Kyrgyz, Tajik fast food -ask the American ..
      2. vo.dum
        vo.dum 24 February 2014 08: 19
        -6
        And what ... the article is about me ... I earned money for housing and can’t buy it? Explain why? Legal money, all taxes paid, saved up for 3 years ... The authorities just try to patch up their mistakes ... you can see the money ended and the excise tax on tobacco and alcohol did not help ... apparently there is serious unemployment and therefore they are trying to drive everyone out ... well, Russia is not the first time to deceive Russians in the spirit of people ... the question is whether they will believe her again ... now everyone is talking about Russian in Ukraine ... and they are also banned by both Westerners and Kharkovites, and then you are surprised that there are so many Maidan people ... - elementary families need to be fed ... and many do not see another way out ... hi
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 24 February 2014 11: 22
          +15
          Quote: vo.dum
          And what ... the article is about me ... I made money on housing and can’t buy it? Explain why?

          But the devil knows him. I don’t understand why they are minuscule. Earned, buy housing, and citizenship is completely different. Mahmoud (Ali, Mukhtar, etc.) who sell drugs, for some reason, is a green light everywhere.
          The best country in the world, but a very poor state that will destroy corruption.
          1. vo.dum
            vo.dum 24 February 2014 14: 14
            -2
            I’ve read the opinions below ... and I understand why they’ll let me down ... yes, at least let them completely disappear, I will express my opinion ... Now we are all worried about Ukraine and the Westerners ... and what doesn’t suit us in them ??? Bendera ??? So guys look at the comments below and see it ...- but this is still a small but section of society as a whole ... Lord gentlemen, Russians are being treated for nationalism ... if you want to be an empire .... besides it’s like Russian nationalism at first, and then it gets on a national footing, and YOU in Russia won’t show it if he looks up ... and it all starts in everyday life ... I think that a person doesn’t matter what Tajik, Uzbek, Moldavian, if he is legal WORKS and earns has the same rights to spend his money as he sees fit ...
        2. 120352
          120352 24 February 2014 16: 38
          +11
          Have you earned a living in 3 years? So he stole and robbed. A real Russian, who does not kill or steal, does not have such salaries, and if he is lucky, he can earn money only for 15-20 years. And then it will be a "studio" with an area of ​​12-14 square meters, combined with a kitchen and a toilet. By the way, I didn't minus you. Apparently abreks will pass by.
          1. vo.dum
            vo.dum 24 February 2014 23: 59
            0
            About stealing ..... as they say, not a thief was caught ... so such accusations should not be voiced. And I am not Russian by nationality, although I was born and raised in Russia. But you can imagine how it happened .. by untruth -each goes to his goal himself ... I didn’t build these cannibalistic rules, but I have to live by them, and I want to note no crime in my work, I work like most Russians ...
      3. mirag2
        mirag2 24 February 2014 08: 46
        +19
        I will say one thing - the video of 2009 - England, 10 year old children say - "no, we do not like Muslims, they took our jobs, and dad is a drug addict because of unemployment, and Muslims, after all, they do not spend the money they earn here, they take it to themselves. and this is very bad for us. "
        Here people are thinking about money, and their life — and perhaps that’s why Cameron (approximate at the same time) flies to Moscow to bend in order to save some kind of contract that will save 500 jobs.
        But our Medvedev "created" so many jobs -that one is not visible, or because of their massiveness is not noticeable?
        But the piece of health of the nation, he took away from his ... dish initiative to change the time.
        1. abdrah
          abdrah 24 February 2014 22: 07
          +2
          - "But a piece of health from the nation, he took away from ... the dish initiative to change the time. GAD."

          I don’t know for Medvedev, but here in RB A.G. personally and I don’t see anything bad that the old time has returned, without winter and summer - in 1981, as a youth, it seemed to me that someone was stealing, together with the winter time, the hour of my day ...
      4. predator.3
        predator.3 24 February 2014 09: 44
        +16
        Quote: Vladimir.z.
        It is necessary to press our employers so that they comply with labor laws, as well as the heads of various bodies that do not fulfill their duties .....

        I don’t know the truth or not, I read somewhere that there is a law in Japan, if the employer hires a non-Japanese, then he must pay him double wages! We also need to adopt such laws that Gaster became unprofitable for the employer, i.e. let them provide housing, according to sanitary standards, pay for relocation in case of deportation, etc. and so that every Gaster arrives only by invitation.
      5. werewolf
        werewolf 24 February 2014 11: 15
        +2
        Here you have to do everything with a BIG MIND! Here is a small example: It seems like a little squeezed entrepreneurs who illegally emigrate to work as a result of the Duma revised the law on working retirees. Starting next year, they will stop adding pensions to working pensioners. Grandfathers direct way where? - to illegal immigrants (To work and not to show income in tax. What is the benefit? - a pensioner lives on one pension - has the right to subsidies, etc.) for entrepreneurs - benefit. Instead of illegal immigrants, our elderly parents will go to the black box office.
    2. Civil
      Civil 24 February 2014 08: 17
      +8
      As for the purchase and relocation of Tajiks, I confirm myself I see ... in the summer, aunts in bathrobes and slippers on the street ...
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 24 February 2014 08: 52
        +9
        Quote: Civil
        As for the purchase and relocation of Tajiks, I confirm myself I see ... in the summer, aunts in bathrobes and slippers on the street ...

        I support. In our area, Uzbeks appeared in the villages, pimped bought cheaply. Babes sit at home, men in Moscow, apply for citizenship, no Russian belmes. Russians, you understand.
        This issue the current government will not solve, I affirm !!!!!
        Moreover, I am sure that this is one of several other questions from which the eggs of the "man with iron eggs" praised by many will crack.
    3. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 24 February 2014 14: 08
      +7
      Hello, and now everyone sees perfectly that the poor, cumbersome creation called the state was blinded, AND WHAT SMALL NON-WAY INITIATIVES ARE BORN ON THE OLYMPUS OF THE PARLIAMENTARY, AND THESE ACTIVITIES WITH SALIVA TURNED ON THE SCREENS OF TV, IT IS REALLY QUESTIONALLY REALLY THAN EVERYTHING. LONG is born in the minds of our BEST oligarchy and noble Elites whose members streamed into the jamb lately SCREENS TV.VO the events in Ukraine, they parrot solid MOL destroy the state, but none does not recognize it all started and what is the reason, a simple BUT ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE IN OUR COUNTRY A SYSTEM exact copy UKRAINIAN, real equality before the law, IT proved fatal point on which the authorities did not even react, there was enough time What would knock this banner Hand OPPONENTS Party of Regions, it turns out pretty scary REQUEST FOR POWER LOOKING FOR THE RESPONSIBILITY WE SEE, ONE-WAY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SYSTEM THAT PROMISES IN OUR COUNTRY WILL BE THROWN THERE FOR US H MP YOU managed to blind law which allows economic slavery, AND THIS NOTICE FIRST WORLD COUNTRY WHERE THE FIRST TIME IN THE WORLD WAS CANCELED inequality, as it turned out quite a bit and have grown generation that dezhe not know, we have the world's first laws were enshrined the equality of all Regardless of the color of the skin, the religion and gender, the feminists AU, you and the whole share did not do what our ancestors did to protect the rights of women, this is where the blow was first cut off soon. THERE SO IVANA DO NOT REMEMBER KINDS,
      1. Name
        Name 24 February 2014 15: 00
        0
        Quote: igor.borov775
        WHERE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE WORLD INEQUALITY WAS CANCELED

        This is basically impossible, "cut" for equality(equality in what ...!?) this is quixoticism;equilibrium is necessary and no more than that!
      2. vo.dum
        vo.dum 24 February 2014 15: 30
        -1
        That's right ... to the root ... you don’t see logs in your eye ... of course it’s unpleasant to think about it, but it’s necessary ...
    4. Dimych from Vanino
      Dimych from Vanino 25 February 2014 06: 07
      0
      I get out of wide-open drills, wider and longer than the hose! Hpite, I am GRAZHDANYN ... but not any where there .... Grazhdanka .. request
  2. ZU-23
    ZU-23 24 February 2014 07: 45
    +3
    For a long time, the thought presses them, how much can you wait already when the point is put on this issue. Corruption Delay.
  3. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 24 February 2014 07: 52
    +11
    There must be control. We have a beautiful, beautiful country.
  4. morpogr
    morpogr 24 February 2014 08: 12
    +14
    Strict laws must be adopted. No real estate purchase. Entry only on a work visa for a specific period and so that the deposit is immediately drawn up by the employer as an amount for the return trip or in case of expulsion. Lifetime entry ban for anyone who has violated the law in Russia.
    1. Sadikoff
      Sadikoff 24 February 2014 13: 33
      +1
      Watch how this is the case in the so-called civilized countries, all the useful things to apply with us. And any voters to poke this in the nose.
    2. poquello
      poquello 24 February 2014 18: 24
      +2
      Quote: morpogr
      Strict laws must be adopted. No real estate purchase. Entry only on a work visa for a specific period and so that the deposit is immediately drawn up by the employer as an amount for the return trip or in case of expulsion. Lifetime entry ban for anyone who has violated the law in Russia.

      I agree, there is still strict control over the entrepreneurial activity of newcomers.
  5. Name
    Name 24 February 2014 08: 24
    +7
    The first line of the article: Russian lawmakers are trying to put up a barrier that will hinder the ability of migrant migrant workers to purchase Russian housing.it makes you perceive everything as feuilleton,forgive me Dear Alex hibut after all, if you suffer something for a long time ..... it will be as always, but you just need to enter a visa (single entry!) up to 90 days and tight control! But this is too simple for our legislators ... and nothing will fall into your pocket, but ...
  6. targitai
    targitai 24 February 2014 08: 25
    +8
    Yes, what for labor immigrants when there are unemployed. A complete ban is needed, not a restriction of conditions.
    1. largus886
      largus886 24 February 2014 17: 31
      -1
      Do these unemployed people want to work? At construction sites working on a rampart, the handyman receives 1000 rubles for the transfer of money. But there are no volunteers from the locals. There are Uzbeks who in the morning harness themselves to a wheelbarrow even without smoke breaks and sober-hoppers until the evening. Russian himself and very ashamed of our parasites drunks! If I need to do something low-skilled (digging, wearing, etc.) definitely hire an Uzbek.
      1. svv65
        svv65 27 December 2015 22: 40
        +1
        I work at a construction site as an installer and earn 20-25 thousand, and Uzbek plasterers earn 50-70 thousand. And they say that they won't work for 30 thousand, tk. nothing to send home. And the handymen for 100 rubles per hour are local Russians and one of them is my neighbor. So there is no need to tell fairy tales and fool people. I watched as Uzbeks already permanently residing in the Russian Federation in the role of a "firm" bring crowds of their fellow tribesmen to the construction site. They will negotiate with employers where necessary, grease where necessary. And the indigenous people will find it much more difficult, because all seats are occupied by gaster !!!
  7. ikken
    ikken 24 February 2014 08: 28
    +4
    Apparently, the author has never encountered our native FMS. And usually all these laws hit law-abiding people (and there are some, not all migrants are without exception criminals).

    For example, Pete Ivanov, from the hero city of Odessa, who decided to go to study in Nizhny Novgorod (the benefit is his uncle and his family live there), and who decided to stay there after studying, it will be very difficult to obtain Russian citizenship instead of a Ukrainian passport. After all, his uncle already registered in the apartment, his wife, two daughters and a son-in-law. So either Petya will shuttle every N years between the two countries, or look for a girl with a dowry. Nothing more shines for him.
  8. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 24 February 2014 08: 32
    +5
    Russian deputies are just as corrupt as Ukrainian ones, they can’t think of anything worthwhile, they only deal with boltology and PR themselves.
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 24 February 2014 09: 52
      +7
      And how does the "vertical of power" differ from Russian deputies? laughing



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    3. valokordin
      valokordin 24 February 2014 15: 37
      +1
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Russian deputies are just as corrupt as Ukrainian ones, they can’t think of anything worthwhile, they only deal with boltology and PR themselves.

      TRUE FELDMARCHAL, LISTEN TO THEIR SPEECHES ON SUNDAY EVENING WITH THE NIGHTINGLE See what kind of palaces and gilded toilets they have and from them to create museums of corruption. I am sure that our leadership of the country has yachts, submarines, aircraft, limousines no worse. And the vertical power in the horizontal plane is super.
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  9. ReifA
    ReifA 24 February 2014 08: 34
    +6
    If desired, everything is decided. For example - when hiring a non-Russian citizen, the employer must pay taxes at the rate of this citizen for the year ahead + in writing to tell why he needs this particular non-citizen at work. If the story is not very convincing - refuse permission to work.
    Yes, the minimum rate for NOT a citizen is the average salary in Russia.
    1. FunkschNNX
      FunkschNNX 24 February 2014 09: 01
      +2
      The minimum salary for a foreigner should be significantly higher than for their own, this is guaranteed to deprive them all of their work. But I'm afraid they still will not go home, they will go to crime.
  10. Altona
    Altona 24 February 2014 08: 47
    +18
    I have so far only discerned three valuable migrant labor migrants - Edward Snowden, Vic Wild and Victor An ... Victor An has been without housing for 4 years, and until now, until Mutko's nose was finally poked ...
    1. slon53
      slon53 24 February 2014 14: 12
      +3
      Viktor Ana has had no housing for 4 years, and until now, until Mutko's nose was finally poked ...

      But Depardieu immediately gave citizenship, and three apartments in different regions. Already without him in Russia can not do.
    2. slon53
      slon53 24 February 2014 14: 12
      +1
      Viktor Ana has had no housing for 4 years, and until now, until Mutko's nose was finally poked ...

      But Depardieu immediately gave citizenship, and three apartments in different regions. Already without him in Russia can not do.
    3. calocha
      calocha 24 February 2014 22: 32
      0
      Afraid of a fart, afraid of DAM without permission.
  11. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 24 February 2014 08: 59
    +7
    "Remember gentlemen, this country will ruin corruption" (C)
  12. koksalek
    koksalek 24 February 2014 09: 01
    +2
    These arrogant attempts are reminiscent of a situation when they first catch fleas and then think about how to get rid of lice, and when unbearable from bites and scratching, they finally go to the pharmacy for cheap medicine. And it’s not a fact that the pharmacy has what it takes, then it’s treated as necessary
  13. k1995
    k1995 24 February 2014 09: 12
    +1
    To pay taxes in advance, it is to pay at the expense of the enterprise, is prohibited by law. But to control the timely payment of personal income tax, at least quarterly, is simply necessary.
  14. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 24 February 2014 09: 19
    +2
    Wash, as it does not sound regrettable, only radical measures will help here! Everyone can clearly see that the gastras are strangling our country. We must get rid of them! To get rid of those who arrived (moreover, in legal and illegal ways), and those who have not yet arrived should not be allowed. What kind of labor migrants can be discussed if among the Slavic population there is a terrible unemployment!
    1. vo.dum
      vo.dum 24 February 2014 15: 38
      -3
      that’s the whole point ... you yourself bring your country to ensure unemployment ... and the last one? First Gaster, then enough to feed the Caucasus ... and the thing is all about grabbers oligarchophrenics ... but yours the leaders will never admit this, who will do themselves poorly? The same thing is in the former Soviet republics ...
  15. k1995
    k1995 24 February 2014 09: 59
    +6
    The big myth about the unwillingness of Russians to work. Just illegals are paid on hand 2 times less than shown in the reports, and the rest is in the pocket. Therefore, they are advantageous in the first place to local small bosses.
  16. samoletil18
    samoletil18 24 February 2014 10: 23
    +8
    Any transfer abroad - with a 2NDFL certificate, with a tax of 25%. Why tax? Because he did not spend the money he was sending on the territory of the Russian Federation, but brought it out of our economy. Citizenship must have any status for new citizens, revoked for offenses. Moreover, the revocation of citizenship should apply to all "citizens" since 1992.
    For internal migrants, introduce a doubling of punishment for breaking the law outside the region of permanent residence.
    PS "Berkutovtsy" who wish to serve Russia - granting citizenship in the most simplified manner.
  17. Alex_T
    Alex_T 24 February 2014 11: 23
    +6
    About: "... a passport from the Motherland - away under the bed - and that’s it - here you are not a citizen of any of the republics of the former USSR,". The author of the article is not entirely up to date. To use this" loophole ", an immigrant must keep his old USSR passport, which must bear the stamp" issued for permanent residence in the Russian Federation. "Since the collapse of the Union, there are very few such owners left, because it is difficult to live and travel without a national passport. Regarding the dominance of guest workers, there is no such problem in Kazakhstan, why can't Russia take an example? The rules for guest workers in Kazakhstan are very simple: a foreigner can work only with a permit and a work visa, which can be obtained for low-skilled workers it is practically impossible. On a guest visa or having only a registration sheet issued and handed over at the border, you have to leave and enter every 1-2 months. Whoever violates the regime of stay, which is revealed at the border, pays a very large fine or bribe. Uzbeks and Tajiks are also laborers in Kazakhstan, but several times less than in the Russian Federation. And by depriving a foreigner of the right to buy housing, the "legislators" put an obstacle, including for honest "compatriots businessmen "who would like to move to permanent residence in the Russian Federation, because legal housing + work is the first thing that is needed to start life in a new place.
    1. max702
      max702 24 February 2014 23: 43
      0
      Oh, there’s a lot of good that exists in Kazakhstan and what isn’t in Russia, and first of all it concerns the actions of the authorities in relation to their people .. Lucky you were very lucky with the management ...
  18. Lk17619
    Lk17619 24 February 2014 12: 05
    +2
    Another transfusion from empty to empty. As was the case with the newcomers, so everything will remain in the near future for sure. Well, it is not profitable for the state and businessmen to hire Russians.
  19. Sergg
    Sergg 24 February 2014 12: 34
    +2
    Criminal liability is required for illegal immigrants living in a rented apartment, finding them at production facilities, with heavy fines, and with a similar crime, real prison sentences. Upon repeated illegal visits to our country, punish illegal migrants with imprisonment and work in dangerous industries for sending illegal immigrants who are caught for the first time.

    If we are not tough, they will beat us, here is Christian, or nothing else, we must survive. And tough measures on this issue are a matter of our calm future.
  20. Jedi
    Jedi 24 February 2014 12: 59
    +2
    our thought is a bunch of corrupt bitches ... they are very far from the people. For some reason, a couple of days is enough to prohibit Dima Yakovlev’s departure to the USA. but in order to solve the problem with Gaster (which takes no more time) they will torture the ass for years in the style of Chekist wiring ...
  21. Stinger
    Stinger 24 February 2014 14: 02
    +3
    It is illegal to expel at the expense of employers with the deprivation of their Russian citizenship.
  22. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 24 February 2014 14: 11
    +1
    We all were once a single country. And now, many were rooting for Russia as well as for their own. Many travel with the goal of honestly earning, obtaining citizenship, and living providing for their families and for the benefit of the Russian state. Many are willing to work and work honestly. So what is the problem? The imperfection of laws and bureaucratic obstacles! If we approach the matter competently, then the immigrated visitors and republics of the former USSR will bring many benefits, since for the most part they are hardworking and respectable and, thanks to the USSR, they have one common, Russian culture, deeply rooted in their mentality for many decades.
    1. vo.dum
      vo.dum 24 February 2014 15: 46
      -1
      Yes, everything is simple .... if he has Russian citizenship, he considers himself simply higher ... but I don’t agree ... what did he do for Russia? Yes, nothing ... but I know the Tajik Gaster who served in the Russian army on the border with Afghanistan in 91-93 years, they fought ... and didn’t let the Taliban go to Russia and what? Some sort of trash that didn’t serve in the army also says that he was a Gaster-went away ...? All this is not right .. .
  23. homosum20
    homosum20 24 February 2014 15: 49
    +3
    Is it time to stop fooling around and close all these NGOs? By God, it will be cheaper and easier.
  24. valokordin
    valokordin 24 February 2014 16: 20
    -4
    That hysteria with migrant workers unleashed by chauvinists and Zhirinovites will not lead to good. If a person works and does not violate laws, he does not need to be touched. These Zhirinovsky national liberals and Nazis Bandera have forgotten about the beautiful rule of international friendship.
    1. 120352
      120352 24 February 2014 16: 57
      +6
      And you don’t see that our men remain unemployed because of your international friendship? If you want to be so internationally friendly, give them money for a ticket to the village.
      1. largus886
        largus886 24 February 2014 17: 44
        -1
        Raise your ass, break away from the computer work shaft! The Uzbek rides for 3000 km from the house, and we completely drank our brains and hands if we see competitors in them. Damn it to minuses, shame gentlemen!
      2. valokordin
        valokordin 24 February 2014 21: 28
        -1
        Quote: 120352
        And you don’t see that our men remain unemployed because of your international friendship? If you want to be so internationally friendly, give them money for a ticket to the village.

        You don’t have to blame it on your health, it’s like you broke the ridge of the USSR, it’s like you support the Nazis, it’s like you are in the same person with Bandera, it’s like you are counted on by American figures from the Condoleezza Rice team, the CIA. By the way, I suggest that you step into the LDPR — this is your filthy place — a conspiratorial fighter against the CPSU and a friend of the current government.
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      4. vo.dum
        vo.dum 25 February 2014 00: 15
        -1
        So ask DAM why he is privatizing enterprises and not reconstructing them from the Federal Welfare Fund in order to provide more jobs for people? Of course, it’s scary to put in a complaint? It’s easier to present here that Gaster is to blame ... I don’t whitewash any of them ... young people do not know how to behave, but ... but the fish rots from the head ...
  25. 120352
    120352 24 February 2014 16: 54
    +7
    Russians of origin and Slavs, in general, should have an unhindered opportunity to live, work and obtain citizenship in Russia. The rest - evict. How? To create conditions under which Russia will lose all attractiveness for them. 1) Do not hire. 2) Do not give housing. 3) To catch and in what is - for freight cars, hooked to freight trains and at a slow speed - in villages and auls. Keep the cars closed, windows barred. 4) Withdraw employers from employers who take them to work without any compensation and redemption with a ban on doing business in the future. 5) From the persons who rent them housing, to seize and transfer apartments after overhaul at the expense of the previous owners to those in need from the social queue.
    1. largus886
      largus886 24 February 2014 17: 50
      -3
      And then the employer with a low bow will betray you and will ask you to go to work. And you’ll proudly say a hundred tush come on, I’ll think about it! And the employer will leave in tears to build a factory in Churkistan, and he needs the road!
      1. max702
        max702 24 February 2014 23: 50
        +3
        Already built factories in Churkistan .. and it is Russian and where are they? Factory referring. In the Baltic states, there is almost nothing left in the former CMEA, soon there will be absolutely nothing in Ukraine. and you say churkistan and factories.
      2. vo.dum
        vo.dum 25 February 2014 00: 18
        -2
        Bravo: A bad dancer is always disturbed by eggs ...
  26. Logos
    Logos 24 February 2014 20: 15
    +2
    Why did the Duma decide to squeeze guest workers, and not those who hire them? Is it because employers and deputies come from the same social niche?
    1. poquello
      poquello 24 February 2014 22: 56
      +2
      Quote: Logos
      Why did the Duma decide to squeeze guest workers, and not those who hire them? Is it because employers and deputies come from the same social niche?

      but in this way, the oligarchs forming in their factories from greed rabsilu from the Chuchmeks are spinning next to the authorities and I think they are lobbying for their greed, but what about niches? In Russia, officials and oligarchs are different, I would even say diverse, because the market has long been a mature state system, and not a bazaar and independence.
  27. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 24 February 2014 20: 18
    +2
    Argue, don't argue, but it is necessary to "squeeze" migrants: work visas, only legal employment, when entering the Russian Federation, an obligatory deposit for return travel, a tax on money transfers for any offense, deportation without the right to enter the Russian Federation, a ban on participation in meetings, demonstrations , religious organizations - in general, all those measures that will make you think about going to Russia. We have a short memory, we quickly forgot what nasty things they did to Russians in the early 90s, but remember, they have not changed at all.
  28. Logos
    Logos 24 February 2014 20: 18
    0
    Quote: 120352
    Russians of origin and Slavs, in general, should have an unhindered opportunity to live, work and obtain citizenship in Russia. The rest - evict. How? To create conditions under which Russia will lose all attractiveness for them. 1) Do not hire. 2) Do not give housing. 3) To catch and in what is - for freight cars, hooked to freight trains and at a slow speed - in villages and auls. Keep the cars closed, windows barred. 4) Withdraw employers from employers who take them to work without any compensation and redemption with a ban on doing business in the future. 5) From the persons who rent them housing, to seize and transfer apartments after overhaul at the expense of the previous owners to those in need from the social queue.

    Fascism in its purest form. Tell the IRL to the Tatars or Yakuts that they must be deported from their native land where their ancestors lived for a millennium, I hope they do not hurt you much.

    How are **** so born in a country that defeated Nazism?
  29. voliador
    voliador 24 February 2014 21: 42
    +2
    One can only assume that it is unlikely that all of these 136 thousand are ethnic Russians or representatives of other indigenous peoples of Russia who have returned to their historical homeland. Obviously, among them there is a very weighty percentage of those who at one time arrived in Russia from the states of Central Asia or Transcaucasia in search of, say, a more (if everything grows together) "tasty" life.

    But what can I assume - 9 out of 10 came from countries that in the early 90s yelled with foam at the mouth about separation and independence. And many of the Gastervs, who are now twisting the dung river here, are among those screamers. For a long time it was necessary to slam this gate! And tighten entry rules. There are examinations in language, an engineering specialty or other higher education - then we will think it over, but no - take a walk Vasya, or mahmud, or whatever your name is!
    1. vo.dum
      vo.dum 25 February 2014 00: 25
      -2
      Yes, who do you think you are ??? Do you want and don’t-we will survive where the collapse of the union found us ... if Russia is not needed, all people who are capable of something else have pride ... and do not raise so much nose, maybe you still need our help ... Greetings from Transnistria !!!
  30. Logos
    Logos 24 February 2014 22: 27
    +1
    Quote: voliador

    But what can I assume - 9 out of 10 came from countries that in the early 90s yelled with foam at the mouth about separation and independence. And many of the Gastervs, who are now twisting the dung river here, are among those screamers. For a long time it was necessary to slam this gate! And tighten entry rules. There are examinations in language, an engineering specialty or other higher education - then we will think it over, but no - take a walk Vasya, or mahmud, or whatever your name is!

    Whose cow would moan)) A considerable number of Russians in 1989-91 shouted about the same thing and "voted with their hearts" for Yeltsin, and during the GKChP putsch they supported "freedom and democracy." Supported? Now here: enjoy yourself!
    1. voliador
      voliador 24 February 2014 22: 30
      0
      Only who goes to whom at work, huh?
      1. Logos
        Logos 24 February 2014 22: 40
        +2
        Those who go to work for those who have left more deposits of different useful resources, this is obvious.

        For example, in Kazakhstan, there is a lot of natural gas. And what, Kazakhs, go to the mask, like Tajiks? Not at all. Here is the rationale
      2. vo.dum
        vo.dum 25 February 2014 00: 27
        -2
        Can you rank yourself among the fathers of the nation ??? thanks to which everyone here is rich?
  31. witch
    witch 24 February 2014 22: 33
    +1
    but don’t tell me something should be done. but why didn’t the country (as you say) have opened borders for emigrants, and in connection with the latter they tightened the ban for them, and Switzerland refused to open the border and entry for them at all. I think we it’s time to make a conclusion. didn’t want to be part of Russia, you poor poor unfortunate life with us. well, now live well-fed and happy separately. And you need to learn something to understand in the future. Therefore, you need to tighten it.
    and the idea is good about taking in loot for a current of not 30 and 000, and taking into account inflation, you need to raise the economy. And about sn, it’s 70000 times bigger. Even those few who work here for such sn will start to put pressure on the Russian mentality like I I’m getting less at home and then I’ve arrived and such privileges will begin hassles much more serious than now. Therefore, I think this should not be done. But in fact, in fact, seriously, nothing can be changed if they are not naive. This is money. And they are in this world do everything.
  32. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 24 February 2014 22: 57
    +3
    As it is not clear. Is the government trying to complicate obtaining Russian citizenship? For what purpose. If Russia does not need new citizens, it should simply stop issuing it. And such "complications" only increase the "corruption component". Apparently, people who are warming their hands on obtaining citizenship are pushing this law, contrary to the actions of the president who tried to simplify and facilitate this procedure. I inform those who are unhappy with them. In theory, you are more educated than migrants, and have the best starting conditions for living and working in the country. The best of them successfully find a job at home or in Western countries. A practically uneducated rock is coming to us. If you manage to lose in the competition for the quality and standard of living even to them, this is only talking about your personal worthlessness.
  33. targitai
    targitai 25 February 2014 10: 29
    +4
    the desire not to allow migrants to their side is not fazhism and not Nazism, but the instinct of self-preservation. the synchronization of their culture and their people.
  34. Free Island
    Free Island 26 February 2014 01: 14
    +1
    An auction is announced, for example, to repair the facades of three five-story houses. The price of the issue is 3 million rubles. There is an Administration (customer), a utility company (General contractor) and a certain construction company (a subcontractor that has all the licenses, the Russian staff of workers, and so on). Kom.kompaniya (naturally) wins the competition, subcontracts. Get three million. A subcontractor calls a Korean who has a team of Chinese (and, I forgot, it’s happening in Sakhalin, it’s a Russian Korean :)))) .. so, the Korean drives five Chinese, who fasten three facades in a very short time (I think about quality no need to speak :))) .. this team gets one HUNDRED THOUSAND RUBLES, and the general contractor and subcontractor saw 3 milimons in half, naturally not forgetting to pour some of the Administration’s money. Further ... the doctor in Sakhalin must pay at least 50 thousand (despite the fact that here only one rent and other obligatory payments will take only 15-20 thousand) ... the head doctor cuts the salary of the doctor to 20 thousand, the doctor naturally leaves, therefore that it’s impractical for a local to work for such a penny, and an Uzbek-Tajik with an incomprehensible education for 20 thousand rubles is put in his place, plus the children of this Uzbek Tajik are placed in a kindergarten out of turn and given him preferential housing)))) These are just two examples that explain how simple it is - THIS IS FAVORABLE to Hucksters on the ground and to the ADMINISTRATIONS))))))) this is why until this administration and hucksters start shooting, nothing will change significantly in the migration legislation
  35. svv65
    svv65 27 December 2015 22: 28
    0
    Quote: 120352
    Have you earned a living in 3 years? So he stole and robbed. A real Russian, who does not kill or steal, does not have such salaries, and if he is lucky, he can earn money only for 15-20 years. And then it will be a "studio" with an area of ​​12-14 square meters, combined with a kitchen and a toilet. By the way, I didn't minus you. Apparently abreks will pass by.

    I support !!! For 3 years it is impossible to honestly earn a decent living.