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The quality of recruits. And a little about the problem of education

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I would like to talk about the quality of recruits and, accordingly, about the future and existing contractors. I will give a few examples.


On education. Classes for UCP, the theme is the Great Patriotic War. I ask the question:

- When and how did you start?

“It seems that in the forty-first, the Entente and Germany attacked the USSR,” said one of the soldiers.

“The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and the Second World War began,” the soldier confidently declares.

- Not. It was the USSR that attacked Czechoslovakia, and then Germany, in order to defend itself, attacked the USSR, - says another fighter.

My heart starts to beat less often.

- What countries were included in the Axis? - my other question.

The quality of recruits. And a little about the problem of education- Britain, Spain, France, Germany and it seems China and Japan. - Brilliant answers just pour in.

- And who fought on the side of the allies?

- Ukraine, Russia, Finland, and anti-fascists.

My heart beats even less.

- Who were the leaders of Germany?

- Hitler!

Well, the good is all remember. And who is Dr. Goebbels?

“This, in my opinion, is connected with Sherlock Holmes,” replies several soldiers, agreeing to each other.

“Yeah,” I say. - “The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Goebbels,” probably everyone read.

Brilliant answers simply fell on this topic. But maybe we know something else?

- First cosmonaut?

- Gagarin! - solemnly announces the whole platoon.

- First female cosmonaut?

“Alice Ka, Ku, Ko, in general, something like that,” says one of our heroes.

“Yes,” I reply. - And she flew to the planet Shelezyaka, search for the missing captains.

Due to the fact that my heart has already stopped, I decide to punish those responsible for the collapse of our education, and together we begin to shake America (who is not in the subject, we start pushing up).

People come with higher education, just graduated from school, and give out such that you stop believing in some bright future there. Sometimes they do not know simple, elementary things. The sun revolves around the earth and the like is the most innocuous "pearls".

About physical development. When people come to special forces and can't even pull up FIVE times, 20 just wring out, there are no words. They come, put their legs apart, close their eyes and say: “That's it, I'm ready, make a special forces out of me.” But, guys, the Soviet Army, unfortunately, is no more. The cartoon "About Sidorov Vova" in the Russian army already "does not channel." “If you don’t know how - we will teach, if you don’t want — we will force.” We, of course, if you do not know how, then we will teach, however, if we are able, but no one will force. Nobody needs that.

About health. Well, about this, and so everyone knows. Category A is simply worth its weight in gold now. I remember, came the replenishment of the SHMS. Here you all know, kvass or milk is poured into such barrels. So, imagine that this barrel has grown legs and arms. Two such barrels arrived, they even could not wear the berets, because their legs did not fit, they walked in slippers. And they talked with everyone so condescendingly that Mama did not grieve. Well, Moscow recruits differ in some special Ponte. But after some preventive strikes began to behave much easier. In general, a lot of fun went through our SHMS. They were prepared for three months, and they went to serve further, there was little left. I was already in the detachment and we crossed paths only in the canteens. And in the teams with health everything is not bad. Although it was a funny case. The guy started having sharp pains in his stomach, as it turned out later, the acute principle of appendicitis, well, and his colleague took him to the medical unit, and shortly X-NUMX meters from the presenter an asthma attack occurs. And they barely crawled these 30 meters. Oh, and laughter, and sin.

Of course there are people who know well history, math and stuff, there are superbly prepared physically. But if for the Soviet Army it was the norm, then for the Russian Army this is already some of the greatest achievements. Now began a massive set of contractors, but the quality of them, to put it mildly, leaves much to be desired. Slag very much.

I am writing all this mini-narrative, so that we again chase not for quantity, but pay more attention to quality. It is possible and 200, and 300, and 500 thousands of contract soldiers, but there will be little confusion. And of course, this is a topic about a catastrophic situation in education. This is really a disaster. And every year it does not get better, on the contrary, they know less and less and pull up less. But, nevertheless, it remains to believe in the best, because "hope dies last."
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  1. Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 24 February 2014 09: 39
    +20
    What do you want from people who grew up in the 90s? These conscripts in the USSR were brought up by sports (mass physical education), healthy eating and love for the Motherland. Our generation (born 1975-1985) grew up on drugs, Hollywood products and "Doshirak" noodles. Not all, but many.
    I will never forget how they sent me to a fool to check up when I at school, in a conversation with a psychologist, said that I would definitely go to serve. They called him "suicidal-depressive".
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 24 February 2014 10: 11
      +8
      Education has always been one of the pivots of Russian statehood. To break this core is to destroy the country. Obviously, this is precisely the goal pursued by those who have been destroying Russian education for more than twenty years under the guise of “reform”. There is no doubt that education is developing successfully only in a society where there is a social order for scientific development, where highly qualified scientific personnel are in demand. The powerful development of science in the USSR was stimulated by the constant growth of high-tech industry, which was constantly fueled by school graduates. Who our modern school is preparing now - soulless consumers, unscrupulous "personalities", unprincipled egoists with a completely formatted brain.
      It was in the USSR that schoolchildren were brought up in the understanding that there can be no personal happiness in the unhappiness of society. A citizen cannot be happy if the Motherland is in trouble. This corresponded to the centuries-old communal character of our Russian world order. It is here, in the community, that our enemies deliver the most powerful blows.
      1. Leszik_2283
        Leszik_2283 27 February 2014 21: 54
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        Education has always been one of the pivots of Russian statehood.


        Harsh fact fellow , this can be said about the scoop, but about Russia - hay-straw - bust. They didn’t know how to read everything there - the apple said the country was in no way literate. smile
        And the scoop - technicians are not bad, but the rest: 1917, the Second World War, and everyone’s favorite Battle of Kulikovo - - - and all this under the sauce of Marx-Lenin-Engels with roasting from Stalin and on top of the powder from the fabrications of the current Glavsovka
    2. Cherdak
      Cherdak 24 February 2014 14: 39
      +6
      Quote: Rattenfanger
      These draftees in the USSR were nurtured by sports.



      Not everything is so bad laughing
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 24 February 2014 19: 14
        +4
        Russia took 1st place at the Olympics! Pride! Success!
        But why, with such successful Olympic records, dohlyaks, physically poorly trained draftees, come to the Army in mass numbers?
        The bottom line is that in pursuit of Olympic records, the state leadership abandoned mass physical education and sports. The emphasis was on selected sports and selected athletes.
        Of 13 gold medals, 5 gold were brought to Russia by former foreign citizens - the famous South Korean athlete and Sochi hero Victor Ann - 3 gold, and 2 gold a former American.
        It should not be. Without mass sports and physical education, with the increasing spread of drugs, massive excessive enthusiasm for computers, there will be no healthy people, nor will there be future Olympic records.
  2. Civil
    Civil 24 February 2014 09: 40
    -23%
    Due to the fact that my heart has already stopped, I decide to punish those responsible for the collapse of our education, and together we begin to shake America (who is not in the subject, we start pushing up).

    You can immediately see the intellectual ...
    Two such barrels arrived, they even could not wear berets, because their legs did not fit in, they walked in slippers. And they talked so high with everyone that Mama Do not Cry. Well, Moscow conscripts are distinguished by some special show-offs. But after some preventive strikes, it became much easier to behave.

    Can't put authority in another way? Apparently there is not enough more mind.
    The guy started having sharp abdominal pains, as it later turned out, the acute principle of appendicitis, well, his colleague took him to the medical unit, and without reaching 30 meters the host has an asthma attack. And they barely crawled these 30 meters. Oh, and laughter, and sin.

    It is bad for your fellow citizens, the children of your fellow citizens ... but this is ridiculous!

    Dear author, the army is not your personal office, these young people are the children of those who shoes you, pays you a salary, and to whom this army belongs.
    They do not like being drafted into a foreign legion, no one is forcibly holding.
    Love the country, so love it all !!! And not just the parts that YOU like !!!
    1. Civil
      Civil 24 February 2014 10: 14
      -4
      They bypass it, but cannot set forth arguments against it, no one wants to acknowledge their helplessness and hatred of the Russian people.
    2. Rattenfanger
      Rattenfanger 24 February 2014 10: 19
      +18
      Hmm ... You, dear, are familiar with the army only from films like "Soldier Jane", apparently.
      Give the troops normal material-educated, physically and mentally strong recruits-and the number of exercises like "pushing the Earth" or "drying the crocodile" will be reduced significantly.
      Quote: Civil
      Can't put authority in another way? Apparently there is not enough more mind.

      Try, since you are a kind of hybrid between Makarenko and Marshal Zhukov, to achieve accurate and timely fulfillment of YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES from a herd of baboons (and the first 3-4 months it is a herd, not a collective).
      This is later, when the soldier will serve for a year, he does not need unnecessary prodding and "quality", so that he does everything as he needs, and not as he wants his beloved. Because by that time he becomes a Person, realizing where and why he got, and why everything is the same here and not otherwise.
      Quote: Civil
      Dear author, the army is not your personal office, these young people are the children of those who shoes you, pays you a salary, and to whom this army belongs.

      Yeah. Let's introduce the voting in the troops. Secret. For example:
      -Rota, quietly!
      -17 votes in favor, 43 against, 22 abstained. Offer not accepted.
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 24 February 2014 10: 43
        +1
        Quote: Rattenfanger
        Yeah. Let's introduce the voting in the troops. Secret. For example: -Rota, quietly! -17 votes in favor, 43 against, 22 abstained. Offer not accepted.

        good
        Yes, I, for all my non-acceptance of the existing recruiting army, I understand that to become "baboons" into soldiers and ultimately into a MAN, the exercises "push the ground", "dry the crocodile" or "electric chair" are necessary.
        Quote: Rattenfanger
        normal material-formed

        Quote: Rattenfanger
        physically and mentally strong recruits

        With this pearl comrade, you need to go through at least the photographs: "Dagestan power" "Ingush power" and so on.
        1. Rattenfanger
          Rattenfanger 24 February 2014 11: 00
          +4
          Quote: Papakiko
          With this pearl comrade, you need to go through at least the photographs: "Dagestan power" "Ingush power" and so on.

          For dodons who grew up in front of the monitor, perhaps. Tell me that "Kaukaz is power, Uasya!" do not. I'm at work. They'll start laughing, my colleagues won't understand.
          An example is in the DShP (g), where I served, the Slavs and Tatars recruits were usually over 20 years of age and with a sports category. An attempt to explain to a Siberian MS in RB or kettlebell lifting that "Dagestan-sila" is as predictable as, sorry, to write against the wind: of course you can try, but the result is likely to upset. Plus, they lived amicably and stood for each other (because they were used to communicating with people, not with a computer, hence the communication skills).
      2. Civil
        Civil 24 February 2014 11: 13
        -2
        , achieve accurate and timely fulfillment of YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES from a herd of baboons (and the first 3-4 months it is a herd, not a collective).

        OK. Answer the question why such methods are used only in zones and in the army?
        Why in other equally important parts of the state boboins, as you put it, work normally? For example, in the Ministry of Emergencies. During an emergency I saw perfectly the "rabble" that they tried to turn into a team and show-off of the leading stripes. And the Ministry of Emergency Situations worked precisely without any drooling! Not figuring out which of the generals in the clearing is more important and louder to insult the soldiers who accidentally fell under the arm ???
        Why do baboons in civilian life unite, work, build, lead, achieve? Who did not serve for example?
        Why can't the army officers work normally in civilian life, at least because there is not enough education knowledge, just the ability to communicate in a human way, without the usual "bases" of attempts to build "young" from their point of view?

        I respect the army exactly until they begin to divide the people of the citizens of Russia into those who are worthy and those who are bullshit.
        1. Rattenfanger
          Rattenfanger 24 February 2014 11: 31
          +10
          Quote: Civil
          Answer the question why such methods are used only in zones and in the army?

          Are you pretending now or are you quite seriously applying for the Darwin Prize? BECAUSE THE ARMY IS FREQUENTLY GOING NOT AT WISH, BUT BY NEED. And even those who go there consciously, like me for example, have no idea about the real state of affairs and expect something completely different. It takes time and effort from outside to get rid of the nonsense brought up by cheap propaganda a la "Soldiers" or "Breakthrough" from the soldier's head, and to understand how it should actually be. But this is an army, not a kindergarten, therefore it is impossible to wait for the boy to feel the moment. And he must fulfill his duties here and now.
          Example: we go on guard at the RAV divisional warehouses. And elephants do not know the responsibilities. And not from chronic dullness, but because there is no reluctance to teach the tired UGKS soldier. It’s better to crush your carcass somewhere. Exit: put on gas masks, accept the emphasis of lying, and teach. Oh miracle! An hour later, all the horror as savvy in matters of garrison and guard duty! Do you think this is correct or not?)))) I would like to hear your assessment, dear)
          1. Civil
            Civil 24 February 2014 14: 35
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            BECAUSE THE FREQUENCY GO TO THE ARMY IS NOT BY DESIRE, but BY NECESSITY. And even those who go there consciously, like me, for example, have no idea about the real state of things and expect a completely different

            What are they obliged to know the rules that YOU yourself came up with there? People go to more DANGEROUS work quite voluntarily and if necessary, for example, firefighters or those who paint power lines under voltage! Or public transport driver! Which EVERY day is in the hands of the fate of people! And nothing fulfill their duties!
            Exit: put gas masks on, accept lying emphasis, and teach. Oh miracle! An hour later, all the horror as savvy in matters of garrison and guard duty! Do you think this is correct or not?)))) I would like to hear your assessment, dear)

            Because YOU do not know how to teach why, apart from YOU, for the ignorance of youth, no one SOARS anymore! YOU try to discipline elementary children before clever!
            In your work there is NOTHING exceptional, any builder with a hammer can cripple people at a construction site BUT does not do this.
            Any politician can get drunk out of hooliganism, can order YOU to launch missiles, BUT DOES NOT order.
            Learn to RESPECT your own people, maybe your attitude will change. And normal young people will not run around, guessing about your zonal ways, from the army. Learn how to strain brains ... intellectuals ...
            1. Vilor
              24 February 2014 14: 53
              +3
              Sorry, but you seem to be the only person who did not understand the meaning. I do not know whether you served or not, but judging by your answers, it is unlikely. Otherwise, you did not carry such nonsense. You probably and the kind of green goblins walking in formation and all kicking, imagine.
            2. Rattenfanger
              Rattenfanger 24 February 2014 16: 09
              -1
              Quote: Civil
              Because YOU do not know how to teach why, apart from YOU, for the ignorance of youth, no one SOARS anymore!

              You are whining, excuse me. And by the way,you can teach someone who wants to learn.
              Quote: Civil
              any builder with a perforator can cripple people at a construction site BUT does not do this.
              Any politician can get drunk out of hooliganism, can order YOU to launch missiles, BUT DOES NOT order.

              Are you aware that drugs have a destructive effect on the human psyche, and after passing a certain "point of no return" these changes are irreversible?)))
              Quote: Civil
              What are they obliged to know the rules that YOU yourself came up with there?

              Firstly, I didn’t invent anything there, I didn’t come out with ranks)))))
              Secondly, it is necessary to fulfill "these rules" (this is about the guard's charter, as I understand it) in order to 1) complete the task 2) return home safe and sound.
              Sorry, ἰδιωτεία, and to a severe degree if you do not understand the common truths.
              1. Civil
                Civil 24 February 2014 18: 06
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                Quote: Rattenfanger

                One gyrus and that of a cap ...
                In addition to insulting and humiliating the Russian people, you are no good person.
                Go study at least in the school of ensigns ... you look and change your attitude towards people.
          2. wot
            wot 24 February 2014 15: 18
            +2
            BIG FIVE with + only sweat saves blood
          3. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 24 February 2014 23: 35
            +3
            Quote: Rattenfanger
            Exit: put gas masks on, accept lying emphasis, and teach. Oh miracle! An hour later, all the horror as savvy in matters of garrison and guard duty! Do you think this is correct or not?))))

            That's right, we have the same crap, the first month, I remember - the "lying position" was the main position.laughing A soldier learns faster through legs.
            But the assault, and personal insults from a higher-ranking person who cannot be given impunity for turnips for insulting, corrupts the morale, accumulating a sense of injustice, revenge and anger in the soldier. yes
        2. I am
          I am 27 February 2014 13: 28
          0
          Why???? I heard about unity of command ????? If the commander of the platoon gives an order, it must be fulfilled, it has not been completed, they can give an outfit to the kitchen or paint a parade ground. If the company companies gave the order, but they didn’t fulfill it, they can also give it a lot (by force) and a lot of outfits with bonuses. And if the order in wartime is not complied with or is being discussed - execution, without talking, or penal battalion. Therefore, Delhi, not Delhi. And if a person must, but cannot, they either force him, or he forces himself. No other is given. And no fussing. Die but do !!!!!! and no other way !!!!!! And by the way, the military are working fine on civilians, in those places where there is order and where there is no order or office plankton-like people are sitting, it will not be there, there will be monkeys, baboons, scoops and so on, without a chance.
      3. Orik
        Orik 24 February 2014 11: 30
        +3
        Yeah. Let's introduce the voting in the troops. Secret. For example:
        -Rota, quietly!
        -17 votes in favor, 43 against, 22 abstained. Offer not accepted.

        After February 17th they introduced it, it all ended ... with the collapse of the army.
        1. CALL.
          CALL. 24 February 2014 13: 36
          +3
          - When will the quality of higher education in Russia increase? “When the professor will come to Bentley for classes, and the student will be on the trolleybus.” And not vice versa.
          1. Hon
            Hon 24 February 2014 17: 39
            +1
            You are behind the times. I don’t remember the poor teachers in my university, not on the Bentley, of course, but I had enough oil with caviar.
    3. Vilor
      24 February 2014 14: 28
      +2
      Can't put authority in another way? Apparently there is not enough more mind.
      I speak for special forces, I don’t know about others. Any conflicts are resolved by calling on gloves. We dress and go to fight. Ohhh, very rarely open fights. But there are cases. I myself am an opponent of fights, albeit a combat sambo instructor. But sometimes a person needs to be landed. Do you think that 10 people beat him half to death?
      It is bad for your fellow citizens, the children of your fellow citizens ... but this is ridiculous!
      I repeat, both laughter and sin.
      Dear author, the army is not your personal office, these young people are the children of those who shoes you, pays you a salary, and to whom this army belongs.
      They do not like being drafted into a foreign legion, no one is forcibly holding.
      Love the country, so love it all !!! And not just the parts that YOU like !!!
      I don’t even know which of this nonsense should I comment on?
      1. Civil
        Civil 24 February 2014 18: 08
        0
        I don’t even know which of this nonsense should I comment on?

        This is called - there is nothing to comment on. Alas, you have no arguments. That is, you can not even one iota doubt your own sinlessness, and are Jesus Christ with a gun?))))
        1. Vilor
          24 February 2014 19: 28
          0
          Quote: Civil
          I don’t even know which of this nonsense should I comment on?

          This is called - there is nothing to comment on. Alas, you have no arguments. That is, you can not even one iota doubt your own sinlessness, and are Jesus Christ with a gun?))))

          Something I don’t remember saying that I am an angel in the flesh. First you formulate the question, and then we will discuss the answer to it. I don’t understand what you want?
    4. wot
      wot 24 February 2014 15: 12
      0
      bullshit army is a collective and a soldier must be sure of his colleagues, that’s why the slogan “If you don’t know how, we teach, you don’t want it, we make it” is nowhere relevant and since the armor has been shut tight for a year, not two stupidity will pass, and the demobilization as it came dull and left like don’t make the horseradish move, but kick Nizya who knocks, he’s not a kid and God forbid the war got it all
    5. Yeraz
      Yeraz 24 February 2014 17: 05
      0
      Quote: Civil
      Can't put authority in another way? Apparently there is not enough more mind.

      It is clear that they are far from the topic. We had people who tried in a different way, and the whole team immediately crumbled until the deputy Azerbaijanian came with the words well, black and white *** clenched his fist and clenched, all at once quietly and in a row))) )
  3. Sergey7311
    Sergey7311 24 February 2014 09: 44
    +10
    The way it is! Alas, the quality of the recruiting resources decreases with each call ...
    1. Mergen
      Mergen 24 February 2014 10: 05
      +1
      And do not forget about the main thing
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      2. Mergen
        Mergen 24 February 2014 10: 07
        +15
        But it was like that
        1. Mergen
          Mergen 24 February 2014 10: 09
          +3
          And a lot of
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          3. Mergen
            Mergen 24 February 2014 10: 11
            +4
            Children must be given to defend themselves and their nation
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            2. Mergen
              Mergen 24 February 2014 10: 12
              +2
              And then I look and see
          4. Armata
            Armata 24 February 2014 10: 34
            +4
            Quote: Mergen
            And a lot of
            It's true. I know for myself. Small 14. When you do not have to sit down at school at the comp. Come home he still sits 9-12 hours. What the hell are you saying to your wife? Duck, I just can’t drag him away, he sits as if he does not hear anyone. Until the slap gets, FIGS drive away.
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 24 February 2014 23: 47
              +2
              Quote: Armata
              Quote: Mergen
              And a lot of
              It's true. I know for myself. Small 14. When you do not have to sit down at school at the comp. Come home he still sits 9-12 hours. What the hell are you saying to your wife? Duck, I just can’t drag him away, he sits as if he does not hear anyone. Until the slap gets, FIGS drive away.

              And what have you done about this other than being outraged? One of my workers has four children, he and his wife plow from morning till night, and nothing, the children are all in sports sections and additional classes, he skipped - a week without a computer and pocket money, did not do homework - the same thing, arguments and tantrums - computer and no money for a month. Domestic help is a duty. Children (as well as soldiers) should be left with less free time to fool around. request
          5. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 24 February 2014 11: 24
            +4
            And a lot because of .. computer hobbies


            Not only. You look at the education system, school. How many physical education classes are there and what?
            In Soviet times, each school had its own school ski base with a set of skis on boots, a gym, physical education classes at least 4 hours a week. In winter, compulsory skiing. In Siberia there were no schoolchildren who could not ski.
            And now, acquaintances of young people who have already graduated from schools do not know how to ski. I ask why you didn’t go skiing in your school of physical education? There was physical education, they answer, but they did not go skiing, there were no skis. And this is in Siberia!
            In Soviet times, there was mass physical education, most of them were not athletes, but the vast majority were physically developed.
            And labor lessons at the Soviet school, where we guys learned to work on metal-cutting and woodworking machines, including such complex ones as turning, milling.
            I'm not talking about the knowledge given in the Soviet school, the system of exams at school and at the university, which from the school taught me to work and ability to cope with the tasks and moral experiences. And there were no tutors, everything was given at school.
            And now the USE pah his mother, not giving knowledge and dystrophics, not knowing how to catch up on the horizontal bar.
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 24 February 2014 23: 54
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              Quote: vladimirZ
              Not only. You look at the education system, school. How many physical education classes are there and what?
              In Soviet times ...

              In Soviet times, the system assumed that, by and large, the duty of parents to give their child the right education and development. Who is bothering to enroll a child in a sports section? To the science club? Do not say that they are not there, everything is there.
              In the Middle Ages this was not the case - however, strong and savvy peasant boys grew up.
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    3. Orik
      Orik 24 February 2014 11: 35
      +1
      Quote: Sergey7311
      The way it is! Alas, the quality of the recruiting resources decreases with each call ...

      This does not surprise me. The daughter in the 7th grade says that the children go to school as they want, on Saturday until half the class is gone and so constantly and this is a very good gymnasium. A familiar osteopath said that with a diagnosis of connective tissue dysplasia, the shaft of newborns, by the handle, you take it from the joint bag of the norov to jump out.
  4. brainkiller
    brainkiller 24 February 2014 09: 50
    +6
    People come with higher education, just graduated from school,
    smiled. I would not be very discouraged. In the end, everything is not so bad as the author paints. Yes from Moscow time and Moscow region come "fighters" vain. But Dagestan gives excellent young growth (from the point of view of health and even education), for example, there are no questions to Tatarstan, Siberians - everything is like a selection of boys.
    As for education, it does not affect the assembly and disassembly of the AK. If the guy has an empty tank, fill it with the Charter, an excellent contractor will come out =)))
    1. Vilor
      24 February 2014 14: 33
      0
      Yes, no gloom. I am preparing for the worst, I hope for the best. But the trend is scary. People from the Caucasus do not serve us.
    2. Vilor
      24 February 2014 14: 48
      +2
      You know, after all, school and parents should be engaged in upbringing and education. No, the army, of course, is engaged in the same education, but not from the very basics of knowledge !!! Indeed, forgive me, I have to explain WHY IN GENERAL TO PROTECT THE HOMELAND. And if about the Great Patriotic War, at least someone can tell something, then about Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, they don’t know anything at all. Well, about the history of the Russian Empire, I think you yourself understand everything. I agree, it is impossible to know the whole story, but not to know the basics, forgive me.
    3. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 24 February 2014 23: 59
      0
      Quote: brainkiller
      As for education, it does not affect the assembly and disassembly of the AK. If the guy has an empty tank, fill it with the Charter, an excellent contractor will come out =)))

      And it is right in that the fact that the conscript is poorly versed in botany and has little knowledge of classical literature, he should not read poetry to death in the battle of the enemy. what
  5. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 24 February 2014 09: 55
    +7
    Bow to the officers who continue to serve with such a conscript contingent and still manage, it is not clear how, to make warriors out of these "subhumans". Success in this difficult matter. The systemic crisis in the state primarily affects the industries directly dependent on the state budget (army, education, medicine, etc.).
    Education and physical education of the younger generation is the business of each of us, the first of the educators for our children.
    As for the article itself ... The author had to highlight the accents somewhat differently. Although the reaction to the "shaking America" ​​is understandable - the commander's active psychosis against the background of a protracted ah ... I'm from the state of affairs.
  6. My address
    My address 24 February 2014 09: 55
    +7
    In the 70s army there were "professional buyers" who chose recruits for their unit. Their principles were to "grab" the village / township and college graduates. The former could do almost everything about the housework, the latter made tank commanders in a year and a half. But the problem was not to take those who were not physically or patriotically developed (including knowledge of history) from the "buyers", it was just that there were almost no such recruits! soldier
  7. Burmistr
    Burmistr 24 February 2014 10: 05
    +10
    TV and the Internet are all teachers. What do you want? They imposed this junk on us, and now we disentangle. I generally threw the telly in the trash. I began to devote more time to children.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 25 February 2014 00: 04
      0
      Quote: Burmeister
      TV and the Internet are all teachers. What do you want? They imposed this junk on us, and now we disentangle. I generally threw the telly in the trash.

      You can argue about the Internet, it depends on how you use it, for example, it helps me personally to develop my horizons, even in adulthood, I just need to be able to filter it. request
      As for the TV, I fully support it. I also spent my expense 6 years ago, and was amazed at how much free time there was in my life for useful things and close people. good
  8. late
    late 24 February 2014 10: 06
    +2
    Now it’s like a call - I don’t know, I went into demobilization in 2008 and we had strong guys, but I think the whole thing is in the service life. In the early 2000s, guys who were confident in their abilities, joined the army that they will withstand hazing and two years of service. Hazing is bad, but a coward and a wimp, knowing about it, will not join the army. Now the army is more privileged, and people who are contraindicated are eager to serve.
  9. Kerch
    Kerch 24 February 2014 10: 16
    +5
    “The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Goebbels,” probably everyone read.


    ahaha, you need to remember)))
  10. Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 24 February 2014 10: 21
    +6
    and why is Fursenko still an adviser to the president? isn't it strange?
  11. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 24 February 2014 10: 29
    +5
    In the USSR, the attention of the state was paid to the physical and patriotic education of youth from the kindergarten, and considerable money was invested.
    There were no idiots who did not know with whom the USSR fought in the Great Patriotic War by the age of 6-7. Children also knew about the civil war and knew which side they were on (the film "The Magic Power of Art" 1st novella).
    Sports were massive skating rinks, ski slopes, outdoor sports grounds, stadiums, gyms were never empty.
    Without passing the TRP standards, it was impossible to get an assessment of physical education.
  12. servant.
    servant. 24 February 2014 10: 37
    +3
    A graduate of an aviation military university, a lieutenant to the question “Who is Zhukovsky?” He shrugged and asked, “Who is it? The university is just named after Zhukovsky .... Perhaps he is the only one, but there was a fact ....
  13. Homo
    Homo 24 February 2014 10: 38
    +5
    I'm from the 60's generation. We had a company of good people, C grade students and hooligans. In the courtyard where we gathered there was a table with benches, a guitar, a radio "Ocean", cards and next to a horizontal bar, dumbbells, a barbell, a pear. All served in the army, some graduated from college, some were just workers, and everyone became People with a capital letter (no drunks, no drug addicts, no deviators, no gays). Families, children, grandchildren - everything is as it should be!
  14. Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 24 February 2014 10: 39
    +7
    and I would also like to add. The army now consists mainly of those whose parents cannot add sons to institutions. That is, the poor. They are simply malnourished, parents drink and they themselves are also likely. What kind of education can we talk about if such a situation is at home.
  15. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 24 February 2014 10: 43
    +10
    Earlier they would have said: - "Here you are, Soviet reality ...", but now? And now the country is moving by leaps and bounds into a "bright future"?
    Such "dense" in the army under the USSR, according to the guys, came across only from the remote auls of Central Asia and the Caucasus, and now it is quite common, but on the other hand, they adopted the experience of the "advanced", and became like these poor people, thank God, not to that extent yet.
    My brother dreamed of going to flight school in the late 60s, before boys had dreamed of something, some as a pilot, some as a sailor, some as a geologist, some as an astronaut!
    So my brother, after the conclusion of the commission, was GOOD, the head physician shook his hand, and she (palm) turned out to be slightly wet (excitement + heat of 30 degrees), he was DISABLED ... for him it was a TRAGEDY. In the end, he served 3 years in the Northern Navy, the command wanted to send him to a military school, and would go, he liked the service, but the bride's parents refused to let her daughter go to harsh lands, which he regretted all his life. His son has recently served in the same regions. My nephew, like my brother, was preparing for the YEAR, without any agitation, they just knew that they were MEN, and standing on PROTECTION OF THE MOTHERLAND was their HOLY RESPONSIBILITY.
    Medvedev: - "Lack of communist education in that they brought up creators, we must educate a competent consumer ... "
    I think that says it all. Now boys dream of cars, azure beaches, clothes, as the "great mendel" bequeathed - government policy.
    As long as there are such "ideologues" in the government, the country will not have HEALTHY people either physically, mentally or morally.
  16. busido
    busido 24 February 2014 10: 45
    0
    Do not piss !!! Soon the Tajik-Uzbeks will let the Americans get shit under the Russian flag! By the way, these young people, Tajiks and Uzbeks, will wring out and squeeze out 5 and 155 times ... So do not piss! a piece of paper quickly ... will have to ..... And we will have, for example, "a special regiment of the Uzbek-Russian guard", and the "3rd Tajik-Kyrgyz reconnaissance company of the first army of the Turkmen Pasha"
  17. Hellriker
    Hellriker 24 February 2014 10: 48
    0
    It seems like an inept question. Or recruits were from home for mentally retarded children. I was in practice at school, a high school history teacher: the guys were savvy and there was nothing of the kind described here.
    1. hz123
      hz123 24 February 2014 11: 11
      +1
      at work, during lunch, a dispute arose on the subject of history. the new one (young) was dozing, but the campaign became interesting. asked where to find about the thief Genghis Khan. God forbid everyone is physically developed, is not afraid of work. one minus education
    2. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 24 February 2014 13: 51
      0
      I repeat, savvy are not in the army. Shoe those who are not savvy in the sciences and money of parents
    3. Vilor
      24 February 2014 14: 19
      0
      I do not say that all stupid people. But every year there are more and more of them.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 24 February 2014 16: 50
        +1
        Quote: Vilor
        I do not say that all stupid people. But every year there are more and more of them.

        my classmate, with whom I am friends right now, was truly surprised when I told him that Chechnya, Dagestan, etc., are the territory of the Russian Federation.
        Then he killed me with his assertion that Gorbachev sold Alaska !!!! And he didn’t want to believe me that it was during the time of the imperial empire, he even had to catch an elderly man from the street who looked at him and twisted him at the temple.
        And finished one school.
  18. Ahmed Osmanov
    Ahmed Osmanov 24 February 2014 11: 07
    +3
    Scary for such recruits. It can be seen that life is spent at the computer.
    1. Rattenfanger
      Rattenfanger 24 February 2014 11: 13
      +8
      The first game consoles "Dandy" went into the 90s, and my father brought me this wonderful thing from a business trip for good study.) The boys and I naturally fell on it all our free time from school. A month later, the coach met Dad and asked why I didn't go to training. That same evening, I watched a hammer methodically smash the console and cartridges in the kitchen.)))
      Dad knew how to correctly place accents and gently push to the right choice.)
      1. Ahmed Osmanov
        Ahmed Osmanov 24 February 2014 11: 18
        +2
        Artem, as they say, a father will never wish a bad son. laughing What kind of sport do you practice?
      2. brainkiller
        brainkiller 24 February 2014 12: 43
        +3
        Quote: Rattenfanger
        That same evening, I watched a hammer in a kitchen methodically crushing a console and cartridges.)))
        Dad knew how to correctly place accents and gently push to the right choice.)

        Was the soldering iron mastered the next day?
      3. Yeraz
        Yeraz 24 February 2014 16: 52
        0
        Quote: Rattenfanger
        A month later, the father met the coach, and asked why I did not go to training. That same evening, I watched a hammer in a kitchen methodically crushing a console and cartridges.)))

        Everything was a bit easier for me. Although I was born later and got into the days of the computer, my whole day was strictly regulated, every hour the computer in it took only 1 hour as well as watching the telly. And try to peep, mother with a hand and head stick .Dapa is for more serious matters)))
    2. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 24 February 2014 13: 49
      +1
      Okay, I’d be at the computer, but most likely at the entrance with a beer and a cigarette, I’ve probably tried the wheels already
  19. Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 24 February 2014 11: 30
    +3
    Started with Greco-Roman. Then san yes. Now I want to fight and fight in the gym when there is time, with the guys who are involved in Belarus.
    ZY to the eldest small 8. I gave it to the Greco-Roman. He promised to break the tablet if he abandoned training))))
    1. Ahmed Osmanov
      Ahmed Osmanov 24 February 2014 11: 38
      +3
      By the way, I also practice Wushu Sanda. It looks like blackmailing your child is an effective method laughing
  20. MACCABI TLV
    MACCABI TLV 24 February 2014 12: 41
    +4
    “It seems that in the forty-first, the Entente and Germany attacked the USSR,” said one of the soldiers.
    “The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and the Second World War began,” the soldier confidently declares.
    - Not. It was the USSR that attacked Czechoslovakia, and then Germany, in order to defend itself, attacked the USSR, - says another fighter.


    And these people serve only 12 months ?????
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 24 February 2014 12: 46
      +4
      Hmm, really ... they wouldn’t be hurt by the extra year of military service, for LIKBEZ!
  21. brainkiller
    brainkiller 24 February 2014 12: 41
    +3
    Quote: Civil
    Why can't the army officers work normally in civilian life, at least because there is not enough education knowledge, just the ability to communicate in a human way, without the usual "bases" of attempts to build "young" from their point of view?
    bgggg, you are clearly far from reality = 0)
  22. Hey
    Hey 24 February 2014 13: 20
    +2
    Illiteracy?
    The army and this gap need to be filled.
    Who is not in the subject push up. Well done commander.
  23. koksalek
    koksalek 24 February 2014 13: 50
    +1
    What the soldier should blame, yesterday on the central channels (I'm talking about our channels) I saw twice the names of Russian cities with errors, and that in one day. I’m silent about the credits, there the cant on the cant comes out, media illiteracy has become familiar
  24. brainkiller
    brainkiller 24 February 2014 14: 46
    +4
    Quote: Vilor
    I do not say that all stupid people. But every year there are more and more of them.

    it's just you get old =))))
    1. Vilor
      24 February 2014 14: 55
      +2
      Not excluded)))
  25. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 24 February 2014 15: 10
    +2
    Vilor
    I do not say that all stupid people.

    Rather, they did not receive a quality education, which was ruined by the "reformers" who carried out the ORDER to destroy the country. Why would a competent people to the enemy, and even knowing the history of their country, proud of the Motherland, which you want to defend from enemies !?
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 24 February 2014 16: 59
      +2
      Quote: ia-ai00
      Rather, they did not receive a high-quality education, which was ruined by the "reformers" who were fulfilling the ORDER to destroy the country.

      It's not that.
      Education in Russia is high-quality. There is simply a moment of compulsion.
      I’ll give an example of a Soviet education stronger than in Turkey and right now in Azerbaijan it is strong, BUT there is one common minus they don’t force or you can buy everything. In Turkey, they force you to drive at least a minimal basis.
      All of the cadets who studied with me, including Azerbaijan, Mongolia, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Moldova, all of our fellow students who studied in Turkey were a cut above. And not because the education is stronger there, they are not forced there, but they didn’t want to quickly ass .And here is pity or cognac or money, and in the most critical situations the call is familiar to the local and the problem is solved.
      Thank God the kit has already been removed from Azerbaijan. Moldovans, too, but for another reason their cadets all stayed here and didn’t come back))) Only Tajiks remained, a little Mongols and an addition of a bunch of Africans and Afghans.
  26. mvv
    mvv 24 February 2014 15: 14
    +3
    Hurry to argue of course abstractly. but I remember how in the year so 94-95 I forgot how to look into the refrigerator at home - it was still empty. One salvation garden. consider he fed the whole family. as long as I didn’t join the army, the budget load became less. When I was 19 years old, with a height of 186, I weighed 79 kg, I don’t want to talk about how much I was pulling up and pushing up. nothing - for a month and a half in quarantine they made me an athlete ... thanks to Yeltsin for our happy childhood
  27. nekish
    nekish 24 February 2014 15: 15
    +1
    us these categories A just spanked. An ophthalmologist (as an example) put A to me, although I see shitty with my left eye and a little better with my right.
  28. inkass_98
    inkass_98 24 February 2014 16: 09
    +2
    What are they obliged to know the rules that YOU yourself came up with there? People go to more DANGEROUS work quite voluntarily and if necessary, for example, firefighters or those who paint power lines under voltage! Or public transport driver! Which EVERY day is in the hands of the fate of people! And nothing fulfill their duties!
    You will laugh, but you must. I did not serve in the army (I came to 1988 under the Gorbachev amnesty as a student), but I dare to assure you that there are a lot of rules on a civilian that must be followed. And then those literate, who do not want to fulfill the stupid requirements, invented by someone there, when you want to work under the railway. contact line (27 kilovolt), repeatedly swept away into plastic bags with a broom, because some slippers remained.
    And I always demanded from my subordinates, who voluntarily work in DANGEROUS work, to carry out "stupid" instructions, because they (instructions), like the army regulations, are written in blood.
  29. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 24 February 2014 16: 34
    +3
    And my son, while serving for a year, I turned gray, he did not go to me, but to his wife - a little one. I am rustic and health was not to occupy, as they say: at least crowbars rot. Maybe because there were no computers then we were healthy? Or was the food natural without any additives?
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  33. driver
    driver 24 February 2014 17: 28
    +1
    you look at Israel there all smart stupid fat thin serve and protect their homeland (and women too) which teachers in the army such and the army
  34. frame5
    frame5 25 February 2014 09: 51
    -1
    Straight tears of affection are taken from commentators, it is immediately clear that they either do not communicate with the notorious "draft resource", or are simply stuck in nostalgia for the USSR.
    And the youth is bad, and the education is bad, and the medicine is bad, and the health is bad, and all without exception are athletes ...
    If someone did not know all of a sudden, I remind you, a young man simply does not need military service, it does not give him anything useful, but it can undermine his health. Well, besides the fact that this is the loss of your personal time, it is not clear what with the prospect of getting to some sort of Caucasian people on the legal status of a slave who must endure steadily. Hand on heart, the conscript will figure out how to spend this time better for him. Because he owes nothing to anyone. He should have been convinced by his upbringing and upbringing that he should, even if he couldn’t do it, then why blame the youth?
    Those who either could not slope or had such a desire go into the army. Whether you like it or not, but try to stop wringing your hands and whining already and start working with what you have. The Americans (right now begins ...) have special courses to bring the fighter in accordance with physical norms. So we need.
    You know, it doesn’t even amuse me, but somehow the position of many people of 80-70 years of birth towards youth makes me sad. Constantly some kind of attacks and accusations of inferiority on the part of a generation that has collapsed its own country and walked well on its corpse, and then statements that young people owe you something. No. It was necessary to earn at least some respect, for starters.
    After all, there was already an article where the author branded young people and was indignant why this girl does not want to develop art criticism alone in the Russian Federation, it seems, but wants to go abroad. And in the comments, the same mantras about a corrupting computer, about which all the bad and lazy, and as commentators in those years famously served in the army.