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Ukraine. End of story

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Ukraine. End of story



21 February 2014 as a result of a coup d'état, organized by Klitschko, Yatsenyuk, Pyagnibok, as well as a whole cohort of less visible “politicians” and outspoken extremists, the state of Ukraine de facto ceased to exist. Unfortunately, this is not the plot of a cheap fiction novel in the “alternative stories"And the harsh and terrible truth. It is very likely that the official “date of death” will be clarified, and this February day will be the beginning of a long or not too painful agony. However, the Ukraine that has been present on the map of Europe since 1991 of the year will never be.

But the Ukrainian people remain, before whom again stand two great sacramental Slavic questions: "Who is to blame?" And "What to do?". I gave the names of the criminals above. Of course, one should add to them Viktor Yanukovych - the one who struck the last fatal blow. But the answer to the second question, alas, will no longer be the Ukrainian people. Now our fate will be decided by the true leaders of other states. Fifty years ago, in such a situation, no one would have been surprised if Russia, Poland, Romania and the rest of the neighbors would simply have deployed troops, trying to break apart the remnants of the country. Now such a turn of events is almost impossible, after all, people are changing, and the way of conducting politics is changing. Open occupation of the territories will not happen for a number of reasons that are not so important as to dwell on them.

I am not an astrologer or a political analyst (it is not known, by the way, from whose lips true predictions are heard more often) to guess the future, and I don’t want to talk about that. I am a citizen of Ukraine, and before that I was a citizen of the USSR. Not much more than thirty years of life have stolen two homelands from me. I hardly remember the first one, in order to grieve about her in particular, and in childhood any losses are less painful. However, I know for sure that the first Motherland was strong, it was respected. Then there was the second, Ukraine, which is as dear to me as the first. Its main advantage was not in the strength of the army and economic power, but in peace. We could all be proud of Ukraine (at least for peace) even in the era of the most difficult trials. In the dashing 90, when a mighty Russia got an unhealed wound of the Chechen war, the Ukrainians said that "we don’t have that, it’s quiet here." And it was true. Not such a small achievement, even if one of the few that the country has achieved and has kept for twenty years. Today Ukraine was stolen from me, raped on the Maidan and killed. Tranquility if it returns, it is not very soon and no longer in this state.

Homeland must be protected, you say, and you will be right. In Kiev, I was not when all this happened, I did not defend my homeland. No, I will not repent, that is not my fault, because Ukraine as an independent state had citizens who took the oath and the obligation to protect her and me, all the others. The army and the police were supposed to be on guard. In these frosty winter days in Kiev, both these structures performed their duty with honor. Those guys from “Berkut” and “veveshniki”, who gave their lives for their homeland, deserve all the respect. As for the army, its leadership made a promise to maintain neutrality and kept this promise. I think that this is exactly what needed to be done, for which a special thank you, otherwise there would be much more blood on the streets.

Well ... I remembered my untimely deceased Motherland. I was also hurt only that day when my mother died. For the first time since that day, tears come to my eyes. In no article can I convey what I feel now (I say “I”, but I cannot believe that there are no people who are experiencing or will soon experience something similar).

And now I want to say something else. Completely different. On television in such cases, warned: "Take the children away from the screens." No, I can restrain myself, of course, otherwise the material will become unprintable, but I know that you will understand me. I will blame because I have the right to this as a citizen of Ukraine. And blame the names and details.

Viktor Yanukovych, President of Ukraine. I, a citizen of Ukraine, accuse you of treason and the collapse of the country. I blame the killings of civilians, police officers and internal troops, as well as the death of protesters from the Maidan and even extremists, because they had to be arrested and put on trial, but not killed, like dogs on the street. The blood of all these people is on your conscience, no matter who put the trigger. Blame the criminal inactivity and cowardice. It was you, the president, who had to make key decisions in a difficult moment, but did not make it. Your blood has been shed. I, a resident of the Donetsk region, am proud that in the last election I did not vote for such nothingness.

Oleg Tyagnibok. You are a frank Nazi, and this alone is enough. No charges would be required anymore. But still clarify. I accuse you of calling for an armed uprising against the law and seizing power. I blame the support of armed extremists. Your personal fault can be easily proved. There are many video footage of how you are calling for a riot from the Maidan’s rostrum. “We don’t need elections, because we won’t be able to win them!” I quoted your recent words. You knew that the Nazis would not win the elections in a country whose people know what fascism is better than anyone else. And therefore they acted as it should be for a real Nazi.

Arseniy Yatsenyuk. I accuse you of calling for an armed uprising against the law and seizing power. In contrast, you are not a Nazi, and this is undoubtedly a mitigating circumstance. Nevertheless, your fault before the Ukrainian people is beyond doubt. Let me remind you personally that the population of Ukraine is not only radical people of several regions.

Vitaliy Klichko. You are a very special person in this click. Who could have imagined you in the company of the organizers of the coup a couple of years ago ?! You were the pride of Ukraine. Only out of respect for past merit, I would not really blame you strictly, but what you did, what you said, would be enough for a decent period of time behind bars. However, what is the merit? This is just a sport, but it’s cynical to trample on the Constitution - there’s no sporting merits of blame.

But do you really care about my accusations? Winners are not judged, especially when the winners themselves are judges. So come for congratulations to Donetsk, for example, or to Lugansk, or to Kharkov. All together, revolutionaries, bolder! Look into the eyes of the people who did not choose you and that you are now going to rule. You have been waiting for a long time, oh, how are they waiting ...

And the last. There, on the Maidan, shouts of “Glory to Ukraine!” Are often heard. Here only those who have no moral right to it shout. It is not for you to shout, criminals and traitors! Not to you who drowned the capital in blood! And I say: "Glory to Ukraine!" And the eternal memory ...
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  1. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 22 February 2014 08: 30
    +29
    I set a minus, just because it was you who slept Ukraine, the East, Westerners call you slaves, they simply took power in Ukraine, and tomorrow they will come to the east. Maybe I'm wrong, and it would be very good if I were mistaken, but I am sure that they will come and make you work, work for yourself, make you slaves, and slaves will work. I don’t even see the politicians of the East, ready to lead the resistance, arm the people. Well, there are none, western Ukraine triumphs, a holiday in Kiev. The East is silent.
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 22 February 2014 08: 45
      +162
      Let's put ourselves in their place!
      They were able to unite and defend their cities from the invasion of this Bandera locust.
      They tried to go to Kiev, but they were hindered by scumbags with weapons!
      Damn, I doubt that we are more active and stronger in Russia. Remember the shooting of Parliament! Remember the default of 1998, when it clearly became FROM WHICH COUNTRY we are controlled! Has anyone gone anywhere to protest?
      DON'T NEED TO ACCUSE THE EAST IN COWARDS !!!
      1. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN 22 February 2014 08: 58
        +47
        No colleague - in the east = south, far from cowards! As vladsolo56 correctly noted, there is not yet a leader there who can take responsibility for associations to repulse the Zapadenskim .... or rather we don’t know him yet, I think that the east-south have long relied on Yanukovych for a long time, and were simply at a loss from his cowardly inaction .......... Well, Russia ... what is Russia? The shooting of the parliament is an unsuccessful example, two branches of power were fighting there, and by the way the people were on the streets, it’s just that the army took the side of E.B.N. and the army, unlike the Ukrainian events (unfortunately), took part in the hostilities on the side of the usurper. What about default? It was difficult, hard, shock ............ but not a reason (IMHO) to arrange the Maidan in its Kiev form! It was necessary to survive .....
        1. rolik
          rolik 22 February 2014 11: 27
          +17
          Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
          As correctly noted vladsolo56 there is no leader yet

          If there is no leader, he must be given.
          1. Polovec
            Polovec 22 February 2014 16: 35
            -2
            But it seems to me a mistake that representatives of Western Ukraine were not invited to Kharkov! Now in Kharkov, together, they would be able to form a Transitional Government, which would preserve the integrity of the country, prepare elections, take responsibility and stop this nightmare without delaying outside intervention, postponing the proceedings of the causes of the conflict to a later date! They would not have disagreements there! I'm sure! Zapadentsev also do not need war! The fact that there have always been more bastards there is historically. But not all! I studied in Ukraine and I know a huge mass of cool guys from there.
            It would be a strong state move! I’m glad now under automatic machines can make such decisions that it won’t seem enough! And everything will be, like, legitimate!
            But Ukraine will not die! The Slavs have amazing survivability! And they burned us in the furnaces, and they stained us in the camps ...
            1. uhjpysq1
              uhjpysq1 22 February 2014 17: 13
              +17
              and bought cookies))))))))) all Ukraine))))
            2. Ataman
              Ataman 22 February 2014 18: 25
              +19
              No, she died, she died! Little Russians cannot live in the same country with the Galicians, they do not want and will not.
              Real men in the Crimea said that they take over the full power in their autonomous republic. Let's see if Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk and Donetsk guys have strength and pride.
              1. internatio
                internatio 23 February 2014 02: 12
                +5
                Yes, they said ... Let's look at these men in a month. If we can still see. The Russians are already burying us.
                1. tanya.petrova
                  tanya.petrova 23 February 2014 10: 12
                  +4
                  I agree, declare something declared, but who will give them.
                2. Patriot8482
                  Patriot8482 23 February 2014 11: 22
                  +5
                  Why are you talking about the Russians. Nobody bury you. They survive everything, they sympathize, they are probably even ready to help (I would help). But here is what to help? That is the question request
                3. UREC
                  UREC 23 February 2014 11: 28
                  0
                  NO, we do not bury, and if necessary, SUPPORT and HELP !!!
                  1. lt zapasa
                    lt zapasa 25 February 2014 11: 08
                    +2
                    Like in 91m ... like in 2004 .. Until 91st we were one people. Not just the people - the Victory People. And now - wherever it is convenient. We stole the gas - now hold on. I, a Russian person, a Soviet citizen ... I live almost half of my life in humiliation. Almost under occupation. Only now "almost" is over. Now the occupation is real, fascist. And, excuse me, your ornateness is both humiliating and offensive to me. For a quarter of a century he relied on the help and support of his mother - Russia. These hopes gradually melted away. And they almost went out. Alas, there is nothing more to hope for. And there is no one. Millions of Russian people were left to flow and plunder. And this is not the first time. Are we ashamed? It's a shame. But it seems to me - you are more ashamed. Because this line - we - you drew not me.
              2. cumastra1
                cumastra1 23 February 2014 07: 53
                +8
                Let's face it. An unfriendly, and quite possibly fascist, state appeared on the border of Russia. If our kings do not want to see American missile defense in Kharkov, something needs to be done for this. It is necessary to unite these very Donetsk and Dnepropetrovsk children, give them a leader and a goal, and possibly air support ...
                1. GSH-18
                  GSH-18 1 March 2014 02: 12
                  0
                  Quote: cumastra1
                  It is necessary to unite these very Donetsk and Dnepropetrovsk children, give them a leader and a goal, and possibly air support ...

                  You think too straightforwardly, dear. In world politics and diplomacy, individual straightforward decisions are not applied due to extremely low efficiency, which quickly fades away and brings harm instead. Russia needs a set of certain prerequisites — if you want to see active military operations. Remember South Ossetia. And believe me, diplomatic assistance to the Ukrainian people from Russia is now more important than Russian tanks in Kiev. In addition, the southeast has already applied to the Russian Federation for financial assistance, and is already receiving it. Watch the news, they told all this today.
              3. stappler
                stappler 23 February 2014 12: 52
                +2
                no, no one has the strength and pride.
              4. Dilshat
                Dilshat 24 February 2014 23: 38
                -1
                1. Zapadentsov now have pre-trained militants, Salafis, al-Qaeda, Kosovans, Polish and German special forces, as well as Amersky with drones from a landing ship hanging around in the Black Sea. Ukraine is doomed. 2 It is surprising how the situation in Ukraine is covered by Russian media. Why is it not said that in fact there is a seizure of the territory of Ukraine by the European Union, that is, Poland and primarily Germany.
            3. sscha
              sscha 22 February 2014 18: 56
              +2
              Plus set for the fact that every opinion has the right to be! hi
            4. FREGATENKAPITAN
              FREGATENKAPITAN 22 February 2014 21: 26
              +3
              Colleague! At first, they had such an idea ..... just like in a joke, she’ll eat it, but who will give it to her? ..... yes, don’t accept any agreements with the donor east ..... .. East, let it work. you increase productivity there in the mines, feed us further .... and if you are fed, then you don’t need to take care of stoling, there is an opportunity to wake up on a full stomach. Kharkov, East-South, we stick with you!
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            6. Basarev
              Basarev 22 February 2014 21: 29
              +4
              Again, the grandchildren will have to repeat the feat of their grandfathers. But we can do it. We will sweep the Nazis out of Ukraine to the last. We have no right to abandon the brotherly people.
            7. morpex
              morpex 22 February 2014 21: 44
              +2
              Quote: Polovec
              It would be a strong state move!

              Except as a parody from Dopa And Gepa, one cannot expect anything sensible. This is not Zhenya Kushnarev. These are clowns. By the way, right after the meal they flew out, throwing everything into the unknown where. In short, they pounded. Janek also "made his legs" half an hour ago. The plane with him on board rose into the air from Kharkov. We will wait where this g ... o will emerge.
              Zakharchenko with this "phenomenon" of the Kurchenko family surfaced in Belarus. But dad showed them the threshold. In short, all the "brothers" from the Party of Regions are now massively knocking over the hill from Ukraine. We are waiting for further development of events. One thing pleases. Blood has stopped flowing ...
              1. tanya.petrova
                tanya.petrova 23 February 2014 10: 22
                0
                Kushnaryov would now ... but where to get it. They cleaned the whole field in 10 years, and now they are throwing someone where. bastard .. ch.
              2. AndreyS
                AndreyS 23 February 2014 13: 30
                +3
                Quote: morpex
                The blood stopped flowing ...

                Unfortunately, I have to upset you, because the blood has stopped shedding so far! Those who fired at the police and internal troops have already tasted blood, have already felt impunity for the lawlessness that they arranged and they will carry their "faith" further, and those who do not accept it will be destroyed in the most cruel ways (we saw them on the Maidan). Unfortunately, the author of the article is right. And the whole Ukrainian revolution now resembles a well-rehearsed piece, terrible and vile !!!!!!
            8. Dilshat
              Dilshat 24 February 2014 23: 24
              0
              Zapadentsev just war and need their East contained.
          2. muhomor
            muhomor 22 February 2014 18: 04
            +6
            Exactly! The GDP is simply obliged to help these Ukrainians. A strong-willed, energetic, not defended leader should appear urgently. And it doesn't matter who he will be: a man or a woman, a military man or a priest. It needs to be supported financially and politically. "Promote" the image.
            DOUBLE banderlog !!!
            GLORY TO UKRAINIANS.
            1. takto.onotak
              takto.onotak 22 February 2014 23: 00
              +4
              You know, let them decide for themselves - either with us, or by themselves ... without reservation and without looking back, so that in the next 20 years we would not exaggerate again the theme ...
              1. tanya.petrova
                tanya.petrova 23 February 2014 10: 25
                0
                -What does this mean, they decide and even themselves ??? who decides everything there, we know
                sorry for the remnants of Russian (in the big sense of the word) people.
                1. GDP
                  GDP 24 February 2014 16: 18
                  +2
                  The remains of the Russians - it is too modestly said - There are millions of them! And to protect their interests is our duty and the duty of the government representing the interests of our people ...
                  1. lt zapasa
                    lt zapasa 25 February 2014 11: 11
                    +1
                    I bow to you. From Russian, Soviet people.
            2. takto.onotak
              takto.onotak 22 February 2014 23: 00
              +1
              You know, let them decide for themselves - either with us, or by themselves ... without reservation and without looking back, so that in the next 20 years we would not exaggerate again the theme ...
            3. tanya.petrova
              tanya.petrova 23 February 2014 10: 16
              +1
              yes, where can I get that one, they’ve overwritten everyone for 15 years, slammed Kushnaryov, all the film’s kines.
            4. Dmitry Toderes
              Dmitry Toderes 23 February 2014 17: 24
              +1
              And the supply of weapons must be supported. Just in case. It’s not Syria for nothing, after all. I wonder what will happen to the Russian navy base in Sevastopol. I don’t want our fleet to leave there and I don’t want Ukrainians to call Sevastopol the city of "Ukrainian military glory" angry - Well, like your fleet was kicked out and all that.
              1. Reks
                Reks 23 February 2014 17: 30
                +1
                wink Don’t be sad Dimastic!))) It doesn’t come all at once. Everything takes time. But the depressed person and alarmism are only in the hands of the enemy !!
          3. elessar
            elessar 23 February 2014 02: 13
            +9
            We had a leader, but only our own guys who gave their lives for him on the Maidan and then condemned it. He said that the golden eagle is to blame. And the guys of 20 years died for him! And we - the whole Southeast betrayed in one fell swoop. Plus, how do we fight back? What is it that someone supplies weapons, equipment? Or go with flags against the militants? We must give both a leader and a means! A better pair of armies for rent for a couple of weeks. Then we will return together with the South-East of Ukraine!
          4. AVV
            AVV 23 February 2014 19: 35
            +1
            Quote: rolik
            Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
            As correctly noted vladsolo56 there is no leader yet

            If there is no leader, he must be given.

            There are leaders, but they were seated, but they need to be released and empowered !!!
        2. Felix200970
          Felix200970 23 February 2014 00: 24
          +6
          Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
          As vladsolo56 correctly noted, there is not yet a leader capable of taking responsibility for associations

          Now, in general, no one is responsible for anything on the territory. Article + because there was a person who was responsible for something. Not WE, but I blame him for incompetence with all the ensuing consequences. There are no more. Now they are in charge of everything 450 P I D A B A L O V (moderators please do not delete the word - meaning is lost) who do not answer for anything at all, are not jurisdictional, and are not accountable
          1. O_RUS
            O_RUS 25 February 2014 06: 05
            0
            Quote: Felix200970
            Now they are in charge of all 450 P I Z D A B O L O V


            They rush to the end of Ukraine.
        3. CALL.
          CALL. 23 February 2014 04: 08
          +2
          Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
          east-south for a long time really hoped for Yanukovych

          As the southeast hoped, the west was gearing up.
          Ukrainian nationalist youth undergoes a sabotage and terrorist training course led by NATO instructors at a military base in Estonia in the summer of 2006. These are not tourists and not a folklore ensemble, but future saboteurs:


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          2. CALL.
            CALL. 23 February 2014 04: 29
            0




            And now they are outraging in Ukraine!
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      3. Denis
        Denis 22 February 2014 09: 01
        +9
        Quote: Magadan
        Damn, I doubt that we are more active and stronger in Russia.

        In Russia, this will not work! Ukrainian fights to the first blood, Russian to the last drop!
        1. Skif
          Skif 22 February 2014 09: 08
          +55
          You are wrong in this, and our grandfathers together, BEFORE THE LAST DROP, fought against fascism
        2. vezunchik
          vezunchik 22 February 2014 10: 19
          +2
          it was already ....
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        4. Magadan
          Magadan 22 February 2014 10: 22
          +46
          And if I'm half Ukrainian, half Russian, then what kind of blood am I fighting? To the middle?
          And our common ancestor, Monomakh, to which did he fight? And his descendant Alexander Nevsky?
          1. Jurkovs
            Jurkovs 22 February 2014 12: 33
            +34
            Your mistake is that you consider yourself a Ukrainian, but such a nation does not exist and never has been. Consider yourself Russian and everything will immediately fall into place, not only in your head but throughout Ukraine.
            1. Pinochet000
              Pinochet000 22 February 2014 12: 40
              +17
              Quote: Jurkovs
              Consider yourself Russian and everything will immediately fall into place, not only in your head but throughout Ukraine.

              Precisely, they divide in the head first of all ... then borders appear.
            2. Ivan.
              Ivan. 22 February 2014 14: 49
              +5
              Quote: Jurkovs
              Your mistake is that you consider yourself a Ukrainian, but such a nation does not exist and never has been. Consider yourself Russian and everything will immediately fall into place, not only in your head but throughout Ukraine.

              No mistake, he simply belongs to a small Magadan people, a branch of Russian as well as Ukrainian. The main thing is that he does not divide them, but considers them to be a single people. There are many Russian peoples! I even heard there was a Russian Georgian people smile .
            3. Simon
              Simon 22 February 2014 18: 25
              +3
              As correctly and well said Jurkovs. WELL DONE !!! good
            4. internatio
              internatio 23 February 2014 02: 25
              +4
              You, dear, dreamer. It follows from your logic that if a German residing in Kiev considers that he lives in Germany, then ...
              But that is no longer important. It is important that neo-fascism wins with the speed of BLITZKRIG. Today, even very old, but Soviet officers took to the square. The trouble is that the question is: what will we do next? And this is really a question for very many Crimeans.
              1. tanya.petrova
                tanya.petrova 23 February 2014 10: 37
                +1
                I advise young people and people under 40 to at least organize according to the territorial principle, namely, a farm, village, street, get together, count, make out who and what will happen in which case, then establish contacts with nearby people
                nas.points and groups s / o in them, establish contacts with organizations s / o in the near. city, report how many people are available, etc., and there you look and the leader will appear.
          2. jjj
            jjj 22 February 2014 12: 42
            +15
            Quote: Magadan
            And our common ancestor, Monomakh, to which did he fight? And his descendant Alexander Nevsky?

            In those days, Ukrainians have not yet been invented
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            2. bddrus
              bddrus 22 February 2014 21: 27
              0
              Well hello - they appeared earlier, maybe ended by then
          3. Ivan.
            Ivan. 22 February 2014 14: 43
            +4
            Quote: Magadan
            And if I'm half Ukrainian, half Russian, then what kind of blood am I fighting? To the middle?

            Until the last Magadan, you will not like Denis to divide it into parts smile he simply foolishly believes that something will change from the name given to the people of politics. Sincerely.
            1. Sandov
              Sandov 22 February 2014 18: 12
              +5
              Yes, there were no ukrov and there were no Little Russians. We are one people.
          4. Simon
            Simon 22 February 2014 18: 21
            +4
            Friends! It is necessary to fight to the last blood of the enemy, so that this dishonesty will not be reborn. hi
            1. Dmitry Toderes
              Dmitry Toderes 23 February 2014 17: 30
              -6
              Fighting is not a problem - a massive airstrike in western Ukraine and a fleet strike also in western Ukraine (I mean bombing administrative buildings occupied by neo-fascists, training bases for militants, etc.). The landing in Kiev and the deployment of troops (just in case) in Eastern Ukraine. And all the arrogance of the Nazis will decrease.
          5. Basarev
            Basarev 22 February 2014 21: 35
            +1
            The Ukrainian is Ukrainian; the real Ukrainian is eastern. Named by artificial name, but Russian by blood.
          6. nikcris
            nikcris 26 February 2014 11: 02
            0
            Russian you. Zarubi on the nose. If you do not understand, then try to find another people who call themselves not a noun, but an adjective. Shit on the face - and the American, and especially the Korean at the Olympics, were RUSSIAN. And in general, read - http://greystar-belaya.livejournal.com/107016.html
        5. Sharingan
          Sharingan 22 February 2014 10: 42
          +15
          Quote: Denis

          In Russia, this will not work! Ukrainian fights to the first blood, Russian to the last drop!


          Oh, how much senseless pathos that is.
          1. sscha
            sscha 22 February 2014 19: 03
            +2
            Oh well! Paphos!
            God forbid you to fall under this pathos! Further there is no desire to explain ... hi
        6. Horst78
          Horst78 22 February 2014 11: 15
          +10
          Tell me who am I? Mother Russian from the Urals. Father Ukrainian from Tulchin, Vinnytsia region Born in Siberia. WHO AM I?
          1. mamba
            mamba 22 February 2014 11: 23
            +9
            Quote: Horst78
            WHO AM I?

            The main thing is how you feel. You need to listen to the voice of blood and respect all ancestors, regardless of their nationality. But, since you live in Russia, then decide for yourself whether you were inspired by the Russian spirit, whether the Russian mentality is close to you, and whether the Russian idea is important to you?
            1. Horst78
              Horst78 22 February 2014 12: 01
              +8
              Thanks for the advice, but
              Quote: mamba
              But, since you live in Russia, then decide for yourself whether you were inspired by the Russian spirit, whether the Russian mentality is close to you, and whether the Russian idea is important to you?
              how to understand this? What means
              Quote: mamba
              Have you been inspired by the Russian spirit, are you close to the Russian mentality, is the Russian idea important to you?
              ?
              In Siberia, unlike the European part, we have no distinctions between Russian, Ukrainian, or Bashkir. Everything is intertwined here.
              1. mamba
                mamba 22 February 2014 12: 25
                +7
                Quote: Horst78
                In Siberia, unlike the European part, we have no distinctions between Russian, Ukrainian, or Bashkir. Everything is intertwined here.

                And that is wonderful. I dare to assure you that in the European part of Russia at the household level and in production everything is the same.
                I had in mind something else: the self-identification of children from mixed marriages. One of my childhood friends also came from a mixed family: father - Mordvin, mother - Ukrainian. When it was time to get a passport, he asked the Russians to write it down, because considered himself as such.
                1. Horst78
                  Horst78 22 February 2014 12: 57
                  +2
                  asked to write it Russian, because considered himself as such.smile When his father received a passport, he was recorded as Russian because of the name Kononov. He was so angry because 100% (in the right sense) smile looking at him, anyone will say "what kind of Russian is he?" laughing
                2. sscha
                  sscha 22 February 2014 19: 19
                  0
                  This is self-identification! No nationality - American, there is a nation! So in this case (believe me - I know both Mordovians (Erzya and Moksha), who consider themselves Russian, and lumps ... Russian nationality has grown into something more - the nation is Russian! And this is Russia, because for West hi yes we are one fig "Rashka"! For they do not distinguish a Mongol from a Tatar. They don't ... Unfortunately ...
              2. Jurkovs
                Jurkovs 22 February 2014 12: 38
                +2
                In Siberia, unlike the European part, we have no distinctions between Russian, Ukrainian, or Bashkir. Everything is intertwined with us. [/ Quote]
                I don’t know where you live, I’m from the south of the Krasnoyarsk Territory and I want to tell you that you wrote complete nonsense.
                1. Horst78
                  Horst78 22 February 2014 13: 01
                  +2
                  Strezhevoy 76km. from Nizhnevartovsk. (well, to make it clearer) We have come in large numbers from all over the union (in the correct sense, not like in Moscow). even the proverb "Tatars, Tatras and cockroaches mastered the city of Strezhevoy," although a lot of people came from the Ukraine and the Urals. Only on my site of 7 electricians 2e (not counting me laughing ) smile
                  1. Horst78
                    Horst78 22 February 2014 13: 04
                    +2
                    What kind of censorship? belay They don’t give a specific word. am Moderators Are you trying too hard?
                    1. Ivan.
                      Ivan. 22 February 2014 15: 08
                      +1
                      Quote: Horst78
                      What kind of censorship? belay They don’t give a specific word. am Moderators Are you trying too hard?

                      There is such a thing ... an automatic executor is called, castrates thoughts without warning. But he is automatic and can be done by changing the appearance of the word slightly.
                2. Horst78
                  Horst78 22 February 2014 14: 06
                  0
                  Quote: Jurkovs
                  I am from the south of the Krasnoyarsk Territory and I want to tell you that you wrote complete nonsense.

                  Your opinion is understandable. Let me explain. Here in the north of Siberia, during the development of oil and gas fields, people came from all over the country and, as a result, the population as an indigenous one has not yet formed, migration flows are still strong. As a result, the so-called "My rule in my monastery" was not formed. We have a lot of "Statutes" and "Monasteries".
                  In central and southern Siberia, the population took root and formed over the centuries. Migration flows are quite low, and that is mainly in terms of moving to central Russia. It is there that there are the concepts of "Siberian Tatars", "Siberian Germans" and even simply "Siberians". We don't have that. You can ask my fellow countrymen if a lot of them have moved to Krasnoyarsk or come to see us.
                3. Simon
                  Simon 22 February 2014 18: 35
                  +3
                  Who was born and lives in Siberia means a Siberian, but our ancestors are scattered throughout the former Union. We are all relatives that Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian, Kazakh, Tatar or Bashkir, everyone has a piece of something and it hurts for us what is being done in Ukraine. hi
              3. Spnsr
                Spnsr 22 February 2014 13: 49
                0
                Quote: Horst78
                Horst78 RU Today, 12:01 ↑


                come on???
                and where do you want to live?
                1. Horst78
                  Horst78 22 February 2014 13: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: SpnSr

                  come on???
                  and where do you want to live?

                  Do not quite understand the question? What do you want to quote from my comment?
                  1. uhjpysq1
                    uhjpysq1 22 February 2014 16: 34
                    0
                    why is it incomprehensible? in the north there are plenty of such crooks from Ukraine, they will earn money, they will sell the apartment and eat dumplings on retirement.
            2. Ivan.
              Ivan. 22 February 2014 14: 58
              0
              Quote: mamba
              The main thing is how you feel. You need to listen to the voice of blood and respect all ancestors,

              Yes, from him the Russian spirit carries a mile away, I’ll say more, there are also those Russians who until the time of themselves consider themselves to be someone else.
          2. Jurkovs
            Jurkovs 22 February 2014 12: 34
            +2
            Apparently Russian. A mess in the country begins when they start to invent false truths.
          3. kush62
            kush62 22 February 2014 12: 38
            +1
            Person!!!
          4. Max otto
            Max otto 22 February 2014 12: 47
            +6
            Quote: Horst78
            Tell me who am I? Mother Russian from the Urals. Father Ukrainian from Tulchin, Vinnytsia region Born in Siberia. WHO AM I?

            I also have a problem, my father is Moldovan (with a Slavic name for some reason), the mother is Uzbek (her Russian sister, and they are twins). Born in the city of Eberswalde-Finov (Germany), studied and matured in Belarus. Well? Any solutions?
            1. Sandov
              Sandov 22 February 2014 18: 17
              +3
              Quote: Max Otto

              I also have a problem, my father is Moldovan (with a Slavic name for some reason), the mother is Uzbek (her Russian sister, and they are twins). Born in the city of Eberswalde-Finov (Germany), studied and matured in Belarus. Well? Any solutions?

              One solution - you are Russian.
          5. 120352
            120352 22 February 2014 13: 08
            +9
            Let me remind you that Bohdan Khmelnytsky did not know the word Ukrainian in its modern interpretation. The Russian people have always been a triune: Belarusians + Little Russians (those who have been called Ukrainians since 1898) + Great Russians. Therefore, Bogdan Khmelnitskaya considered his companions Russians. And at the Pereyaslavl Rada, it was about the reunification of a single people. In Gogol's work, Taras Bulba considers himself and calls his Cossacks Russians. The word "Ukrainian" is a remake. Invented to dismember our united people. So you, your mother and your father are Russians!
            1. cdrt
              cdrt 22 February 2014 14: 22
              0
              Quote: 120352
              Let me remind you that Bohdan Khmelnytsky did not know the word Ukrainian in its modern interpretation. The Russian people have always been a triune: Belarusians + Little Russians (those who have been called Ukrainians since 1898) + Great Russians. Therefore, Bogdan Khmelnitskaya considered his companions Russians. And at the Pereyaslavl Rada, it was about the reunification of a single people. In Gogol's work, Taras Bulba considers himself and calls his Cossacks Russians. The word "Ukrainian" is a remake. Invented to dismember our united people. So you, your mother and your father are Russians!


              Well, about the Belarusians you can argue. all the same, the identity of the people was born largely in the composition of the ON. Accordingly, many people associate themselves not with the Great Russians, but with those Lithuanians who united most of the lands of Kievan Rus into a great, though rested country
              1. 120352
                120352 22 February 2014 15: 21
                +1
                You can argue, but is it worth it? It’s better to study history not from fantasy novels, but from primary sources, in particular, chronicles. As for the Great Russians, this is one of the components of a single people, simplified (very simplified) northern Russia, one that later became Muscovy. And Kievan Rus subsequently became the center of Little Russia.
                As for Lithuania, this episode has long exhausted itself and has not left noticeable consequences in the formation of identity. This can be seen even in the Lithuanians themselves, who have already forgotten about it. The influence of the Commonwealth was much more significant.
            2. galser
              galser 22 February 2014 15: 58
              0
              The chicken sees how the chicken is banging its head against the wall and says I hu ... u i hu ... u ask you what? And he is her mother, who am I? you are a chicken. and who are you? I'm a chicken . and who is my dad? cock. i hu ..yu) Sorry but so
          6. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 22 February 2014 13: 35
            +2
            Russian you - be proud of it.
          7. EvilLion
            EvilLion 22 February 2014 14: 08
            +3
            There is no such nation "Ukrainians".
          8. cdrt
            cdrt 22 February 2014 14: 18
            +2
            Quote: Horst78
            Tell me who am I? Mother Russian from the Urals. Father Ukrainian from Tulchin, Vinnytsia region Born in Siberia. WHO AM I?


            Russian is not blood, but acceptance as a native Russian culture (we are the imperial people :-))
            Yours is Russian, not Yours is not Russian
          9. Ivan.
            Ivan. 22 February 2014 14: 54
            +2
            Quote: Horst78
            Tell me who am I? Mother Russian from the Urals. Father Ukrainian from Tulchin, Vinnytsia region Born in Siberia. WHO AM I?

            I’ll say - a true Siberian and not a half-breed, and if anyone argues, fill the face, we Russians can be anything you don’t match us smile .
          10. Ivan.
            Ivan. 22 February 2014 15: 14
            +1
            Quote: Horst78
            WHO AM I?

            Or maybe Jackie Chan! laughing
          11. karbofos
            karbofos 22 February 2014 17: 21
            +1
            YOU ARE RUSSIAN!
          12. Sandov
            Sandov 22 February 2014 18: 14
            +1
            Quote: Horst78
            Tell me who am I? Mother Russian from the Urals. Father Ukrainian from Tulchin, Vinnytsia region Born in Siberia. WHO AM I?

            Definitely Russian, and his father was.
          13. sscha
            sscha 22 February 2014 19: 08
            0
            P R A V O S L A V N Y Y!
            The fundamental price is right! For right is justice! Because you have similar questions - that’s why you are neither Catholic nor Lutheran! You are Orthodox! hi
          14. ochakow703
            ochakow703 22 February 2014 21: 54
            0
            Yes, we are a third of these in the Slavic countries. And this is still a gentle batch, it can be even cooler, and a person is a real Russian.
          15. Svarog Day
            Svarog Day 23 February 2014 00: 30
            0
            Slav! And, I hope, not like in all reformatted churches, Christopherian, but in spirit, Orthodox!
          16. tanya.petrova
            tanya.petrova 23 February 2014 11: 03
            0
            Che soar, do not even ask yourself such questions.
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          18. Duelist
            Duelist 25 February 2014 16: 59
            0
            You represent the people with which you identify with yourself - if, then you can call yourself an elf!
        7. alicante11
          alicante11 22 February 2014 11: 46
          +2
          In the 91st in Moscow. This is not the USSR, this is Russia destroyed. Rather, they began to destroy.
          1. shtanko.49
            shtanko.49 22 February 2014 12: 27
            +5
            The Olympics are currently hanging on the weight of Russian politics. I think after closing there will be more room for maneuver, Geyrop needs to get ahead, otherwise we will all be in the ass.
        8. sssla
          sssla 22 February 2014 12: 51
          +4
          Quote: Denis
          In Russia, this will not work! Ukrainian fights to the first blood, Russian to the last drop!

          -Can you read the Heroes of the Soviet Union from Ukraine or write other people's thoughts without meaning in great ?!
        9. cdrt
          cdrt 22 February 2014 14: 16
          +1
          Quote: Denis
          Quote: Magadan
          Damn, I doubt that we are more active and stronger in Russia.

          In Russia, this will not work! Ukrainian fights to the first blood, Russian to the last drop!


          Oh, these common cliches. You read what in the 17th century, Ukrainians worked in their homeland and how many years in a row. Also, the UPA did not fight until the first blood ... so ...
          this is part of the peaceful Russian Empire, they fought until the first blood

          And ... the best foremen in the Russian army have always been :-) I think for sure so 200 years
          1. tanya.petrova
            tanya.petrova 23 February 2014 11: 10
            0
            oh, these our kooky-to the last drop, one regiment of airborne forces,
            what is it for. under 2 million surrendered in the 41st. really look at things
        10. smersh70
          smersh70 22 February 2014 14: 23
          +2
          Quote: Denis
          Ukrainian fights before the first blood

          Look at the fights in the center of the city! They fought to the last, even when Berkut finished up to 50 meters from the stage. Armed with anything and everything, they went to the open to Berkut. The Ukrainians are excellent fighters (everyone, Berkut and Maydanshiks) Half of all officers in the USSR Armed Forces were by the way from Ukraine.
          Quote: Denis
          Russian to the last drop!

          Russian is also not a blunder, they know how to fight, no one argues !!!!!!!
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 22 February 2014 18: 22
            +2
            Quote: smersh70
            Look at the fights in the center of the city! They fought to the last, even when Berkut finished up to 50 meters from the stage. Armed with anything and everything, they went to the open to Berkut. The Ukrainians are excellent fighters (everyone, Berkut and Maydanshiks) Half of all officers in the USSR Armed Forces were by the way from Ukraine.

            It is a pity the golden eagle did not turn its neck to these banderlogs.
          2. tanya.petrova
            tanya.petrova 23 February 2014 11: 13
            0
            half-not half, but many were not the worst, and the rank and file of sergeants from Ukraine were much appreciated in the Soviet Army
        11. Ivan.
          Ivan. 22 February 2014 14: 35
          +1
          Quote: Denis
          Quote: Magadan
          Damn, I doubt that we are more active and stronger in Russia.

          In Russia, this will not work! Ukrainian fights to the first blood, Russian to the last drop!

          From the change of name the essence has not changed, with the right motivation, everyone fights the same way, even the small people do not disappoint. And by the way, you don’t need to build from Russian favorites, you need to be more modest and respect others - this is what Russian stands out for, he respects others in advance, not always unfortunately.
        12. wadim13
          wadim13 22 February 2014 16: 37
          +1
          A ride. Another ride. It's a question of time. We were betrayed and raped and will be done with you too.
      4. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 22 February 2014 09: 09
        +11
        and I agree with you, education of selfishness, and my word is the most important thing now. Who will leave "mine" and go to defend OUR. There will be such, and that's for sure, only there will be few of them. The bulk of people will bleat like sheep and wait until they are protected.
        1. Shadowcat
          Shadowcat 22 February 2014 10: 04
          +11
          You can fill up the tiger and the mammoth with rams. The main thing is that they are not controlled by a ram.
      5. mak210
        mak210 22 February 2014 09: 16
        +24
        What does Parliament have to do with it? There was a conflict between the Chechen Khazbulatov and the drunkard, the secretary of the regional committee of the CPSU Yeltsin. And who was I supposed to protect? "A plague on both your houses." The default of 9/10 of the population did not affect, like me, because we did not have any money, and Gaidar taught us to inflation. And that I had to leave the children and fight for Deripasok's property?

        Bad examples. Much closer to the slogan of the Arab revolutions: "Tired". Unfortunately, we have a similar situation.
      6. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 22 February 2014 09: 39
        0
        Attention! Maximum repost on the Internet!

        Dnepropetrovsk is no longer a Russian city. 300 people in front of 2000 onlookers under exclamations Glory to Ukraine piled a monument to Lenin in the city center. What does Lenin have to do with Russians? I explain, in Ukraine, in the eyes of the nationalists, the Soviet and Russian are one and the same. This is separate things in Russia. And here it is one. After 5, the monuments to the Soviet soldiers of the Great Patriotic War, as in the Baltic States, will begin to be ravaged. Do not believe? Tell 10 years ago in the Dnieper, that under the Bandera slogans they will throw off Lenin in the city center, they will not believe either. History textbook of Ukraine won, comrades. Consumerism won :(

        What do I demand from Russia Russia must finally admit that it lost the "Russian World" in Ukraine, where, as a result, Russian-speaking Russophobes appeared in the Center and partially in the South-East of Ukraine. Russians, do not comfort yourself that this is only a protest against Yanukovych, it is also a national revolution. All who speak Russian every day and at the same time sprinkle saliva on everything Soviet and Russian are people who believe that Moscow Russified their ancestors !!! But they are scoundrels, they stubbornly continue to communicate in Russian in everyday life and do not switch to Ukrainian. Therefore, what I specifically propose for Russians and official Russia:

        1.Russian-speaking cities that surrendered to Bandera without a fight and allowed vandalism to be declared traitors to the Great Russian people, you need to poke their noses into their not desire to be a traitor to the end - to communicate 24 hours in Ukrainian. Therefore, I appeal to the patriotic movements of Russia "The Essence of Time", "Izborsk Club" to lobby for discrimination against Dnepropetrovsk in the economic and humanitarian spheres:

        - in negotiations with entrepreneurs to require an interpreter. Even if they communicate well in Russian, they require communication through an interpreter. They will say that this is nonsense and a circus! But we Russians should lower them to the ground. You can not be a Ukrainian patriot, Russophobe and at the same time communicate 24 hours in Russian, thus using an economic advantage. I understand that I offer absurdity and even split in the Russian world. But trust me from Ukraine, they wanted to say that the number of people who call themselves Russians is getting smaller, but at the same time the language range is not decreasing. Believe me, I once had orangism (thank God I recovered), they will have a headache if they communicate in Ukrainian. more xnumx hours. Let them be consistent. They calmly say in Russian in disputes that Russia is a prison of nations. And the fact that there are no Russians. There is a pier a mixture of Mongolians, Tatars, Finno-Finns, etc. And while they are s.o.l.o.ch.i. communicate in Russian, buy Russian films, translations with the Russian language, Russified software products.

        2. Official Russia should refuse from Yuzhmash products. Blood from the nose, but Dnepropetrovsk should be the first officially millionth Russian-speaking Russophobic city. Don't consider me a provocateur. God knows, I wanted to save the Russian ethnos in Ukraine. Here is my article a year ago: "Manifesto to Russians in Ukraine (supplemented)".

        They listen to Russian songs, muses. culture and at the same time crap on Russia. I lived 27 for years in the South-East of Ukraine, and it hurts me from such a falsehood. They should be ashamed and humiliating. Tomorrow they, and even today, will betray 9 in May to 1945. Demand from them the Ukrainian language !!! Let them kill themselves to the end. I repeat, to act only to those Russian Ukrainians, where the cities of Bandera were given without a fight. Russian-speaking in Ukraine is 45%, but there are about 5% remaining on the standing Russians. Silence and non-resistance Bandera - this is also a betrayal.
      7. Federal
        Federal 22 February 2014 12: 23
        +5
        that’s all, Yanukovych escaped from Kiev, the last rat .... Where are the wise men who shouted about Putin’s victory? The stupidity of Putin’s bet on corruption is now obvious ... The result is a lost neighbor of the state, 3 bucks of lost dollars, once again left to the mercy of fate Crimea, which is being transplanted by our valiant shushera from the SBU, the East, which is now simply bent and seized ... Well, where are you fans of the brilliant Putin? There is no leader in the east, but there are primates such as Dobkin Kernes and this battered whore Yanyka, whom everyone laughs at, this fight was lost by Putin. Putin, if you still have eggs, troops are being sent to Crimea, and a legitimate government is being made in Donbas, if it’s not your own fault, ask Crimea itself, take it now or sometime in the wake. of life. I am sure he will give the back, as always, Putin is no longer that Putin ....
        1. Jurkovs
          Jurkovs 22 February 2014 12: 43
          +9
          And Putin never bet on Yanek. Putin put on a constitutional crisis in Ukraine, because this is the only legitimate way to denounce the Treaty of Friendship and raise the issue of Crimea. There is no government anymore, the Parliament is not capable, the Nazis have to bang Janek and Ukraine will no longer be the state. The remnants of the Rada, except for swearing and fighting for 20 years, have not learned anything and will not be able to give birth to anything worthwhile. So we must still be silent about Putin’s defeat.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 22 February 2014 14: 18
            -3
            Quote: Jurkovs
            And Putin never bet on Yanek.

            Oh, well)) they forgot, in 2004, without waiting for the decision of the CEC, he greeted him with the elections. How vehemently groaned the Yushchenko regime and brought him back to power in the next elections in 2010. As he gave 2 billion dollars, how he lowered gas prices so that Ukraine did not join the EU. earlier it was necessary to think. Perhaps this is due to the fact that Ukraine did not have a pro-Russian leader whom Putin had to rely on.
        2. ver_
          ver_ 22 February 2014 13: 23
          +1
          However, you are ...
        3. ver_
          ver_ 22 February 2014 13: 23
          -4
          However, you are ...
        4. tanya.petrova
          tanya.petrova 23 February 2014 12: 06
          0
          - handsome, one hundred percent hit ..,
          GDP looks at how beautiful the Olympics turned out ... everyone is happy ... a medal, her ... even Obama congratulated him on holding a brilliant Olympics,
          I don’t know if Obama was congratulated on holding a brilliant special. operations
          there will be no troops, as usual, in the bushes, then the tv will turn everything upside down and will jump out of their pants: - what a wise decision to stand aside ..., such an opportunity, damn it ...
          - it was necessary to work in the neighboring state, densely, and not chewing snot Zatulinsky,

          For 15 years, regions have existed, organized something similar to Westerners in the East? youth, passionaries organized? - and now everyone is blinking,
          self-defense units, Cossacks, funny. It was necessary to deal with this 15 years ago, and not now in a hurry.
          Yanukovych is not sorry, such a miracle !, that just 15 and a colony in Western Ukraine. Julia will not let him go. sucker. and if the Oriental business is completely selected right away. it’s a pity the people, as usual, they threw it to the slaughter, what can you say, at least territorially organize a farm, a village, a village street, recount yourself who runs where, what does he do, organize a relationship with your neighbors, look at the streams that will flow into the river, and there
          the leader will appear and an occasion for the troops, although unlikely. Now everyone will calm down, the governors will be changed and forward tax, SBU, etc., and they will give people something to work in the mines, they will pay Ukrainian salaries,
          but everything around will already be evropeyskoe- travel, com services, the budget will be distributed 25pr east 75pr west. the squadron will be pulled out of Sevastopol,
          near Kharkov, a radar. thank you. even writing is disgusting.
      8. jjj
        jjj 22 February 2014 12: 41
        +2
        Quote: Magadan
        Damn, I doubt that we are more active and stronger in Russia. Remember the shooting of Parliament

        Yes, of course, the great commanders Makashov and Barkashov did not spare their belly for the sake of national happiness
      9. Lapotnik
        Lapotnik 22 February 2014 21: 34
        0
        I'm afraid soon the "elder brother" tobish yam will have to test the same principles as in Ukraine ... God forbid, but this is the true plan of the enemies.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 1 March 2014 01: 15
          0
          Quote: Lapotnik
          I'm afraid soon the "elder brother" tobish yam will have to test the same principles as in Ukraine

          Checked already-swamp kikimor dispersed. The second time they turn up - they will get guaranteed to go right through the teeth!
      10. GSH-18
        GSH-18 1 March 2014 01: 02
        0
        Quote: Magadan
        Damn, I doubt that we are more active and stronger in Russia.

        We are not more active and stronger, we are SMARTER! 1991 was enough for us once. And we learned our lesson. Remembering how the swampy kikimor was dispersed, the country was in solidarity with the actions of its president and government. And the Ukrainians are being trained for the third time in a row, and they will continue to train! And they don't give a damn, they chase the fool further, they complain that they are left without a country. You will continue to act on your own and behave like little children - Western "friends of Ukraine" will leave you without pants. You will be like a gypsy, a big people and your state is mute. You, gentlemen, Ukrainians (it is the Ukrainians, not the Crimeans, this is a practically settled issue), in order to get out of this deep zhe, you need a strong, adequate and intelligent national leader. Here you will find it, consider your Ukraine you saved! What I wish you, as a Russian, with all my heart and with all my heart. Go ahead, you have a lot of urgent work to do. Nobody but you. yes
    2. nokki
      nokki 22 February 2014 08: 46
      +70
      Quote: vladsolo56
      The East is silent.


      Russia is especially silent. She probably expects when the Bandera people who are walking around Kiev will come to release ethnic Ukrainians in the Voronezh, Rostov, Volgograd regions ...

      It is not necessary to blame ordinary Ukrainians for overslept Ukraine. We overslept the USSR — that is the root of all evil.
      1. invisibility
        invisibility 22 February 2014 08: 49
        +15
        Plus to you. Overslept. For all comes reckoning ..
      2. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 22 February 2014 09: 11
        +12
        Quote: nokki
        Quote: vladsolo56
        The East is silent.


        Russia is especially silent. She probably expects when the Bandera people who are walking around Kiev will come to release ethnic Ukrainians in the Voronezh, Rostov, Volgograd regions ...

        It is not necessary to blame ordinary Ukrainians for overslept Ukraine. We overslept the USSR — that is the root of all evil.

        this is of course the script that they write for Russia in the West.
        1. Shick
          Shick 22 February 2014 11: 26
          +7
          This script was written by Brzezinski a long time ago.
          1. Maxsh
            Maxsh 22 February 2014 15: 24
            +2
            And in my opinion even Bismarck ... Well, maybe not a script, but an idea.
          2. 120352
            120352 22 February 2014 15: 29
            +2
            Brzezinski wrote it off from Dulles, word for word, and Dulles just as neatly from Otto von Bismarck.
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 1 March 2014 01: 34
              0
              Quote: 120352
              Brzezinski wrote it off from Dulles, word for word, and Dulles just as neatly from Otto von Bismarck

              In general, solid plagiarism lol
        2. ver_
          ver_ 24 February 2014 05: 08
          0
          Normal move. The Jew is crying - he was born ... without a stripe, that ... without a plug ... However, it is not worth continuing, although much is possible ... When the right time comes, the bulls will descend from the mountain and "... will have the whole herd .. . ", and now" the client is not yet ripe "...
      3. Anper
        Anper 22 February 2014 11: 51
        +6
        Quote: nokki
        Russia is especially silent

        And, in my opinion, it is only now beginning to act.
        There is no civil war here - there is an imitation. They want to overthrow Yanukovych - but they capture the Verkhovna Rada. Where are the widely publicized block posts at the entrances to airports and all roads if they want to capture it? All their actions are purely for pressure on the psyche; in order to seize power, control over completely different objects is necessary. And since February 20, the media have been very helpful in this.
      4. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs 22 February 2014 12: 46
        +7
        And you want to intervene today and that all Ukraine unite in their hatred of the pits. No, you have to wait when they themselves ask or when there will be nobody to ask (not physically, but legitimately).
      5. Tu-214R
        Tu-214R 22 February 2014 13: 17
        +5
        It is not necessary to blame the Russians and Russia for what happened in Ukraine - they themselves are to blame. While some acted, others did nothing, making excuses like we had no time to protest, we are working here. Now they will plow on zapadentsev as slaves. Enough damn already Russia to drag in everywhere, we all have to ... Ukraine has long been an independent state in the end, but we have not learned how to live.
      6. GSH-18
        GSH-18 1 March 2014 01: 27
        0
        Quote: nokki
        It is not necessary to blame ordinary Ukrainians for overslept Ukraine. We overslept the USSR — that is the root of all evil.

        Took the blame belay endured, damn it. Who are you fencing off?
        Personally, I did not break up the union, like the vast majority of citizens of the Russian Federation. It fell apart comrade, (pah!) Mr. M.S. Gorbachev, who was awarded a medal for this in the states.
        Learn history, otherwise it will "learn" you, as Ukrainians do now. yes
    3. Normal
      Normal 22 February 2014 08: 48
      +15
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Maybe I'm wrong, and it would be very good if I were wrong, but I’m sure that they will come,


      Greetings, Vladimir.
      Alas, you are right.
      They will come. And the Southeast will come to terms. And there will be no disintegration of Ukraine into Western pro-European and south-eastern pro-Russian.
      Even Crimea will not repel zapadentsam; Tatars will not allow, and local Russians are passive and not organized.
      And this is the fault of the leadership of Russia, which did nothing to support the pro-Russian (if there weren’t even any, it was necessary to create) forces in Ukraine. Which silently and from the side watched the events.

      The East is silent.


      Russia is silent.
      1. Denis
        Denis 22 February 2014 08: 57
        +20
        Quote: Normal
        Russia is silent.

        I repeat, Our air defense completely blocked the sky over Ukraine, just in case, including the Black Sea Fleet. Russia will still have its say, SAYS ONCE AND FOR THE DEAF WILL NOT BE REPEATED !, you'll see!
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 22 February 2014 09: 13
          +2
          Who will say in Russia? Who? What is your last name? Maybe Lavrov, who probably has a villa in Europe, and a bank account. But you never know how many are in our power. As soon as the West stutters about sanctions, our officials fall silent and sit quieter than water, below the grass.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 22 February 2014 11: 08
            +10
            Quote: vladsolo56
            Maybe Lavrov, who probably has a villa in Europe, and a bank account. But you never know how many are in our power.

            You turn upside down. What our oligarchs own is not accounts in the West, although they may be, but the main thing is production in Russia, which brings profit to the oligarchs, and you won’t put them in any Western bank, and a villa and accounts are a gain.
            1. Shick
              Shick 22 February 2014 11: 31
              +1
              I do not agree with you. with regards to representatives of the highest nomenclature of power, it is quite the opposite. In conditions when the instability of the system, so as not to lose everything acquired in an "honest" way, the bulk of the assets are located abroad
              1. Ustas
                Ustas 22 February 2014 13: 36
                0
                Quote: Shick
                most assets are located abroad

                Assets are essentially money. And the more assets, the more money is needed to maintain, maintain and replenish assets (money). Take away their production and the trickle for servicing assets will be interrupted.
          2. antipendos
            antipendos 22 February 2014 20: 08
            -1
            yes you are right they are all afraid to lose stolen and the way to their holes in the west
        2. Normal
          Normal 22 February 2014 10: 04
          +4
          Quote: Denis
          Russia will still have its say, SAYS ONCE AND FOR THE DEAF WILL NOT BE REPEATED !, you'll see!


          Russia, in the person of its leadership, recognizes ANY power in Ukraine.
          Russia, in the person of its leadership, did everything (with its inaction) so that what happened happened on UkrAin.
          Russia, in the person of its leadership, will say its word and it will be - "Russia recognizes and respects the choice of the Ukrainian people, and considers it inadmissible to interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine as an independent, sovereign state"
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 22 February 2014 10: 19
            +19
            Quote: Normal

            Russia, in the person of its leadership, recognizes ANY power in Ukraine.

            Not a fact, now this is not the situation.
            Quote: Normal
            Russia, in the person of its leadership, has done everything (with its inaction) so that what happened on UkrAin

            What exactly could Russia do? To support the prostitute Yanukovych, who threw Russia and muddied the tricks with the EU. The question is, we need to defend a traitor who is ready to lick any ass for his own ambitions.
            Quote: Normal
            Russia, represented by its leadership, will have its say and it will be - "Russia recognizes and respects the choice of the Ukrainian people

            namely the people on the Maidan a bunch of scumbags.
            1. Shick
              Shick 22 February 2014 11: 32
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: Normal

              Russia, in the person of its leadership, recognizes ANY power in Ukraine.

              Not a fact, now this is not the situation.
              Quote: Normal
              Russia, in the person of its leadership, has done everything (with its inaction) so that what happened on UkrAin

              What exactly could Russia do? To support the prostitute Yanukovych, who threw Russia and muddied the tricks with the EU. The question is, we need to defend a traitor who is ready to lick any ass for his own ambitions.
              Quote: Normal
              Russia, represented by its leadership, will have its say and it will be - "Russia recognizes and respects the choice of the Ukrainian people

              namely the people on the Maidan a bunch of scumbags.

              I had to put my man
            2. sssla
              sssla 22 February 2014 13: 01
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              What exactly could Russia do? To support the prostitute Yanukovych, who threw Russia and muddied the tricks with the EU. The question is, we need to defend a traitor who is ready to lick any ass for his own ambitions.

              For example, pan Tyagnybok on the hunt was mistaken for a deer and shot dead by a drunk partner
              Pan Yaytsenyuk died in a plane crash
              And if there are still other key tovarischi) then there are ways not to dig a lot) And you understand that whom I listed are clowns but they also decide something and people react to them
              For some reason, Klitschko, while walking alone in one of the western cities, went into a Turkish or other area and insulted a local girl and was stabbed to death by locals with hot blood
              This is what the special services did and are doing to maintain the situation in an acceptable way and then there would be no greater disaster that is now observed
              1. cdrt
                cdrt 22 February 2014 14: 30
                +4
                Quote: sssla
                tovarischi) then there are ways not to dig into it) And you understand that whom I listed are clowns but they also decide something and people react to them
                Klitschko for some reason while walking in the same


                Here again, the inhabitants of Ukraine muddied the mess and, of course, Russia is again to blame for everything.
                That is the question - is infantility a property of Little Russian-Ukrainian culture or territory?
                1. sssla
                  sssla 22 February 2014 16: 06
                  -1
                  Quote: cdrt
                  Here again, the inhabitants of Ukraine muddied the mess and, of course, Russia is again to blame for everything.
                  That is the question - is infantility a property of Little Russian-Ukrainian culture or territory?

                  I have already written about many "rasseyny" with their opinion about Ukraine that they have "fat in their head" I will also answer you (it does not concern normal citizens of Russia), but it is better to use fat than manure like you hi
            3. Normal
              Normal 22 February 2014 16: 02
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Not a fact, now this is not the situation.


              A matter of time. The time will come and it will be a FACT.

              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              What exactly could Russia do?

              I have no idea, but the State Department, the West, the Fifth Column, a bunch of scumbags and others could do something?
              Why did Russia in the person of its leadership not succeed?
              Again listed are to blame?
              Again, someone interrupted?
              Am I really ?!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 22 February 2014 16: 28
                +4
                Quote: Normal
                A matter of time. The time will come and it will be a FACT.

                Putin does not recognize Bandera.
                Quote: Normal
                Am I really ?!

                No, not you. I don’t know either, but wait a couple of days. I think and I’m sure that there will be a denouement.
                1. Normal
                  Normal 22 February 2014 17: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Putin does not recognize Bandera.

                  Quote: Horst78
                  Or maybe you don’t need to take over the powers that the Russian leadership will do.


                  Does Putin have a choice? This is not Transnistria and Abkhazia, which can not be recognized (it doesn’t matter to anyone, the West or the East). These are not even Baltic dwarfs on which you can simply ignore. This is a huge state with a population of 45 lyam and the second territory in Russia after Russia in Europe. In addition, with our common border and common economic (gas pipelines, industry) interests
                  The leadership of Russia will be forced to recognize ANY power in Ukraine. POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC will not be able not to recognize. This is where we can rush slogans
                  The Russian and Ukrainian peoples are the ONE PEOPLE. And our leadership is from OUR ONE PEOPLE,

                  or negative definitions
                  a bunch of scumbags ... Bandera.

                  The country's leadership does not have such an opportunity and Putin will have to deal with those who win in Ukraine.
                  In addition, Europe is not interested in the coming to power of frostbitten people from the right sector. They will be held until the next case, when it will be necessary to use force against those who are objectionable.
                  Nominated by some sort of comfortable West, but not an odious figure. Maybe Klitschko, or maybe Yulka, maybe someone else ... And Putin recognizes this figure as the leader of Ukraine. Not going anywhere
            4. ochakow703
              ochakow703 22 February 2014 22: 32
              -1
              Everyone knows that politics is a dirty business, and we agree with that. But as for the spheres of vital interests of Russia, and Ukraine is the case, we are stupidly trying to play an honest game when the opponents are holding four aces up their sleeves. So we will soon see the Maidan in Chelyabinsk.
          2. Horst78
            Horst78 22 February 2014 11: 23
            +8
            Quote: Normal
            Russia, in the person of its leadership, recognizes ANY power in Ukraine.

            Or maybe you don’t need to take over the powers that the Russian leadership will do.
            Quote: Normal
            Russia, in the person of its leadership, did everything (with its inaction) so that what happened happened on UkrAin.

            Your suggestions. Send troops? So they (the Anglo-Saxons) wanted exactly that (like 08.08.08). All this activation during the Olympics is the same direct provocation. If you were led, it would have become even worse for Russia and Ukraine.
            Quote: Normal
            Russia, in the person of its leadership, will say its word and it will be - "Russia recognizes and respects the choice of the Ukrainian people, and considers it inadmissible to interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine as an independent, sovereign state"

            Do not forget that the Russian and Ukrainian peoples are the ONE PEOPLE. And our leadership is from OUR ONE PEOPLE, or did they come from Sirius?
            1. sssla
              sssla 22 February 2014 13: 24
              +9
              Quote: Horst78
              Your suggestions. Send troops? So they (the Anglo-Saxons) did just that.

              And what about the Anglo-Saxon eaters of everything that troops are brought in at Mack ???
              Nooo they organized - "freedom" - "right sector" - and many other shushary
              Is there a result? There is! And who interfered with or is interfering with this bungling of Russia ????? And this is not somewhere between Australia and New Zealand, but as political scientists say "In the soft underbelly" of Russia itself ????? Think gentlemen think This darkness is coming to you because you are almost made a weak link You will not even have time to come to your senses And your feeble-minded malice "" "Oh bl ... Ukrainians have only fat in their heads and instead of brains" "" --- in half Comments on this site will not lead you to good The Russians in Ukraine may ask for help early, but you should be ready to help But I’ll think over the help And in response, half of the "dear rasseane" --- well, the hahly jumped on two chairs did not sit well, so you and it is necessary. Think "scatter" think
            2. Ustas
              Ustas 22 February 2014 13: 41
              0
              Quote: Horst78
              Do not forget that the Russian and Ukrainian peoples are the ONE PEOPLE. And our leadership is from OUR ONE PEOPLE, or did they come from Sirius?

              It is necessary to save at least part of their people in eastern Ukraine, in the western people are already susceptible to an incurable disease, Russophobia. Just a zombie.
          3. Ramzes
            Ramzes 22 February 2014 13: 15
            0
            100% it will be so! By their "non-interference" our leadership is losing the battle to Ukraine in advance without a fight.
            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 22 February 2014 14: 00
              +1
              You do not follow the situation, so you do not blame Russia for inaction. Or maybe you’re an old provocateur in general under a new nickname
          4. antipendos
            antipendos 22 February 2014 20: 18
            -2
            yes, of course, it will be so, and all this can be called a betrayal of their own and fraternal people. it is understandable why, of course, but it is not clear how long this will continue when we dare to tear the Adam's apple from the tinned throat of amers
          5. ochakow703
            ochakow703 22 February 2014 22: 26
            -1
            It sounds disgusting and humiliating, but it's true ...
        3. Shick
          Shick 22 February 2014 11: 28
          +1
          But for some reason, when it is necessary to say this word, Russia is silent
          1. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 22 February 2014 13: 57
            +2
            Too often and out of business, the Ukrainian leadership threw feces toward Russia, and you want Russia to kiss them now. Regrettably how bad your feces are - they are independent and you have to swallow them yourself. But Russia and its guano are enough.
        4. andranick
          andranick 22 February 2014 12: 15
          +4
          Quote: Denis
          I repeat, Our air defense completely blocked the sky over Ukraine, just in case, including the Black Sea Fleet. Russia will still have its say, SAYS ONCE AND FOR THE DEAF WILL NOT BE REPEATED !, you'll see!

          Kitchen bravado, no more. Maybe he will say, but without such pathos, which, against the background of grief of the inhabitants of Ukraine, I consider inappropriate.
        5. Ustas
          Ustas 22 February 2014 13: 32
          0
          Quote: Denis
          you will see!

          God forbid.
      2. Shick
        Shick 22 February 2014 11: 27
        -7
        Russians come out passive not only in their homeland
        1. xan
          xan 22 February 2014 14: 04
          +4
          Quote: Shick
          Russians come out passive not only in their homeland

          Calm down, alarmist. No need to be Ukrainians more than Ukrainians themselves.
          Many Russians from Ukraine consider themselves Ukrainians, some Slavs with a quality mark, unlike Russians. My friend, a Poltava citizen from St. Petersburg, constantly communicates with fellow countrymen and relatives, surprised by a simple fact - they live independently for 23 years, life is getting worse and worse, and the Russians are to blame. He believes that Russia does not need to stimulate and agitate anyone there, much less create pro-Russian forces - they should cook themselves in their ram. Russia should support those who organize themselves on pro-Russian positions. And wide Ukrainians like Buzina or yesterday’s Shevchenko at a meeting near Solovyov’s garden, these guys are for independent Ukraine around Russia’s neck.
          1. sssla
            sssla 22 February 2014 15: 52
            +1
            Quote: xan
            Many Russians from Ukraine consider themselves Ukrainians, some Slavs with a quality mark, unlike Russians. My friend, a Poltava citizen from St. Petersburg, constantly communicates with fellow countrymen and relatives, surprised by a simple fact - they live independently for 23 years, life is getting worse and worse, and the Russians are to blame

            You do not build your opinion about Ukraine from the words of relatives of your friend Wrong thoughts they have about Russia
      3. SkiF_RnD
        SkiF_RnD 24 February 2014 19: 25
        0
        Even as they will fight back. And CRIMEA and Donetsk. The Nazis will not pass.
    4. haron
      haron 22 February 2014 08: 51
      +11
      Quote: vladsolo56
      they will come and make you work, work for yourself, make you slaves, and slaves will work.

      Dear, but the trick is that people want to work .... and factories are closing. Please tell me what the difference is in who comes to the plant as the owner and gives people work. Or do you think that a tyagnibok will come in chrome boots with a whip and make the east work for nothing ??? Or forcibly zastvit all the east to shout "HI PRESS ... well sho realties."
      Do you really think that the change of power can crush the will of millions of people.
      this did not happen in 2004, after Yushchenko’s coup.

      Quote: vladsolo56
      Well, there are none, western Ukraine triumphs, a holiday in Kiev. The East is silent.

      You can also say that up to this moment, from the coming of Yanukovych to power, the east triumphed - so what ??? If you carefully studied the current "Maidan", you would see on its side many rich people from Kharkov, Dnipropetrovsk and the same Donetsk.
      It’s just that the Yanukovych family, instead of the burden of power entrusted, was engaged in the construction of their toilet, with the old proven method of racket and raiding, regardless of the community.

      The fact that the Natsiks took advantage of this does not mean that they will be free to walk in Donetsk or Kharkov with their speech and delirium in relation to the Russians.

      Do not go too far.
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      2. tupolev-95
        tupolev-95 22 February 2014 10: 04
        +9
        Here’s what’s the matter — initially there was and is the question of joining the EU with the subsequent destruction of industry. No one needs to come to the east and take plants away — Europe does not need them.
        1. mamba
          mamba 22 February 2014 12: 37
          +3
          Quote: Tupolev-95
          initially there was and is the question of joining the EU with the subsequent destruction of industry. No one needs to come to the east and take plants away - Europe does not need them.

    5. Sunjar
      Sunjar 22 February 2014 08: 55
      +6
      Quote: vladsolo56
      I don’t even see the politicians of the East, ready to lead the resistance, arm the people.


      Yes, they will be hoping for Russia, despite the fact that it is far from the fact that Russia will start acting insolently in the east of Ukraine like that.

      The author also calls the culprits of the United States and Europe the culprits and organizers of the coup: Klitschko, Yatsenyuk, Tyagnibok. Recognizing their leadership role in a coup d'etat is not serious. fool
      1. rolik
        rolik 22 February 2014 11: 32
        +2
        Quote: Sunjar
        Recognizing their leadership role in a coup d'etat is not serious

        Now begin a showdown between the participants of this whole movement. The dismantling inside the trinity will begin, at the same time the dismantling of the trinity with the radicals will begin. Tymoshenko can cement this trinity, but only on one condition, if she herself does not want to become the head of state.
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 22 February 2014 14: 33
          +1
          Quote: rolik
          Quote: Sunjar
          Recognizing their leadership role in a coup d'etat is not serious

          Now begin a showdown between the participants of this whole movement. The dismantling inside the trinity will begin, at the same time the dismantling of the trinity with the radicals will begin. Tymoshenko can cement this trinity, but only on one condition, if she herself does not want to become the head of state.


          I think you are not quite right.
          I think Woman with a scythe will return and seize power.
          Actually, it is possible that Putin is counting on this.
          For no matter what position she takes, in relations with the Russian Federation she has shown herself to be much more negotiable than the eternal changeling.
          1. 31231
            31231 22 February 2014 15: 24
            +1
            Actually, it is possible that Putin is counting on this.


            It seems to me no longer counts, but the East was closed with an air defense shield. There is a congress in Kharkiv, all against the opposition.
          2. sssla
            sssla 22 February 2014 15: 54
            +5
            Quote: cdrt
            For no matter what position she takes, in relations with the Russian Federation she has shown herself to be much more negotiable than the eternal changeling.

            Do not build illusions about Tymoshenko
      2. Shick
        Shick 22 February 2014 11: 37
        -7
        hmm ... how low Russia fell. but could you imagine that something similar could happen on the border with the USA, for example, Mexico?
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 22 February 2014 14: 34
          +6
          Quote: Shick
          hmm ... how low Russia fell. but could you imagine that something similar could happen on the border with the USA, for example, Mexico?


          and there actually something similar happens all over the country.
          Drug cartels fight with local self-defense, simultaneously fumbling with the authorities. The United States is clearly helping the authorities, implicitly self-defense and, possibly, secretly drug cartels
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    7. Vladimir.z.
      Vladimir.z. 22 February 2014 08: 55
      +12
      The defense of death is similar - and what happened once again confirmed it .... And also those who had a lot (grabbed or "honestly earned in business") are not able to run the state, they are temporary workers and are afraid of losing everything on this and behave accordingly ... Here is the result with all the consequences ...
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 22 February 2014 10: 26
        +1
        The best way of defense is an attack.
    8. RUSLAN39
      RUSLAN39 22 February 2014 09: 16
      +5
      Quote: vladsolo56
      I set a minus, just because it was you who slept Ukraine, the East, Westerners call you slaves, they simply took power in Ukraine, and tomorrow they will come to the east. Maybe I'm wrong, and it would be very good if I were mistaken, but I am sure that they will come and make you work, work for yourself, make you slaves, and slaves will work. I don’t even see the politicians of the East, ready to lead the resistance, arm the people. Well, there are none, western Ukraine triumphs, a holiday in Kiev. The East is silent.


      And then east, south, ordinary citizens of Ukraine? In this situation, even leaders supporting the president from the authorities in the east and south of Ukraine could not foresee such a development of the situation. How could they know that their central authority is nothing? What is the majority of deputies from the party of regions and communists just an empty place? What is their president a big hefty rag? People simply believed in a native of a mining town, a former miner and a prisoner, simply because cowards in their midst did not survive, they simply could not be there.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 22 February 2014 10: 06
        -1
        Quote: RUSLAN39
        And then east, south, ordinary citizens of Ukraine? In this situation, even leaders supporting the president from the authorities in the east and south of Ukraine could not foresee such a development of the situation. How could they know that their central authority is nothing? What is the majority of deputies from the party of regions and communists just an empty place? What is their president a big hefty rag? People simply believed in a native of a mining town, a former miner and a prisoner, simply because cowards in their midst did not survive, they simply could not be there.

        If you fix it a bit (Ukraine to Russia, and a miner to a KGB-shnik) ... Then nothing reminds you?
        1. sssla
          sssla 22 February 2014 15: 56
          +2
          Quote: S_mirnov
          If you fix it a bit (Ukraine to Russia, and a miner to a KGB-shnik) ... Then nothing reminds you?

          Sometimes you have sound speeches and thoughts, but it's kind of softer to say nonsense
          1. papik09
            papik09 25 February 2014 15: 32
            0
            Too soft you say hi
      2. Ustas
        Ustas 22 February 2014 14: 16
        +2
        Quote: RUSLAN39
        How could they know that their central authority is nothing?

        This they saw every day. And after Yanukovych did not fulfill his campaign promises, then the fool should understand what he is.
    9. gorgo
      gorgo 22 February 2014 09: 39
      +27
      Dear, you probably live in Russia? So you have a President! This guide, the leader! But this is not here! The east of the country did what it could - it chose Yanukovych, who promised Russian as the state language and a complete fraternization with Russia. People are tritely deceived! They cannot be blamed only for being naive.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 22 February 2014 09: 44
        +20
        Quote: gorgo
        The east of the country did what it could

        I fully support! And who was there to choose from? Either Yanek - or Julia!
        1. major071
          major071 22 February 2014 11: 07
          +8
          No, the history of centuries teaches us nothing
          We all step on the same rake
          When people bring fools to power
          Always raking from them to the fullest ...
          1. mamba
            mamba 22 February 2014 11: 17
            0
            Quote: major071
            When people lead to the power of fools, He always takes them away from them to the fullest ...

            You're not right. It all depends on who is behind these _uraks and pulls them by the strings. Here in the States recently ruled two terms full _urak and everyone was happy. The trouble of the Ukrainian _urak is that he is pulled by the strings of the same puppets as he is. Well, and who manipulates them, and so it is clear.
        2. RUSLAN39
          RUSLAN39 22 February 2014 11: 28
          0
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: gorgo
          The east of the country did what it could

          I fully support! And who was there to choose from? Either Yanek - or Julia!

          Julia, by the way, will soon be released ...
        3. FRITZ LANG
          FRITZ LANG 22 February 2014 13: 00
          +6
          the fact is that Janek will take the place of Julia, she will become the head of state. and if someone tries to arrange a maidan, on the contrary, she will disperse democratically, and no one will dare to blather
      2. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 22 February 2014 10: 16
        +12
        Quote: gorgo
        People are tritely deceived! They cannot be blamed only for being naive.

        And no one will blame anyone. During the collapse of the USSR, no one accused the people, they simply took away the people's wealth, savings, and social security. A certain percentage has died out, a certain percentage has turned into homeless people, someone was cut out in Chechnya.
        And blame the people ... who needs it? On the contrary, those who came to power will say that difficult times have passed and a bright future lies ahead, you just have to work and do not worry about anything. sad
        And so long as the people do not blame themselves, they will not be horrified by the result of their inaction and the true state of affairs will not reach the active part - nothing will change for the better!
      3. saha471
        saha471 22 February 2014 10: 18
        +6
        Naivety is not a sign of stupidity. This is a sign of purity of the soul. Russian you, in spirit and in mentality.
      4. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 22 February 2014 10: 55
        +5
        Quote: gorgo
        The east of the country did what it could - it chose Yanukovych, who promised Russian as the state language and a complete fraternization with Russia. People are tritely deceived!

        The people of eastern Ukraine deceived not only Yanukovych, but almost all the deputies of the Verkhovna Rada from the party of regions. They went on the occasion of the opposition and voted for re-election. They betrayed their voters who voted for them. The Communist Party did not participate in this, but where is it and what is it? What should be the people of eastern Ukraine now, whom to believe? They, I think, now at a loss, have not yet fully realized what happened.
      5. ReifA
        ReifA 22 February 2014 19: 23
        0
        And now he got to the deceived: http://www.unian.net/politics/888342-yanukovich-rasskazal-o-svoih-planah-na-blij
        ayshee-buduschee.html
    10. suomi
      suomi 22 February 2014 10: 13
      +6
      So they already go there. Today, a monument to Lenin in Dnepropetrovsk was sawed for 6 hours and no one came out, neither the police nor the people.
      1. infinite silence ...
        infinite silence ... 22 February 2014 13: 08
        +9
        Monuments to Lenin flew in many cities ... What is significant - they did it only at night.

        The horror is different. Monument to 5-year-old boy, Roma Tarawski. Stood in the village of Great Lyuben (Lviv region). The boy was killed Bandera. Monument demolished !!!!!!!!! And in its place will put a monument to Bandera? What is it? A short memory? ... or spiritual impoverishment? No words.
        1. papik09
          papik09 25 February 2014 15: 36
          0
          "The boy was killed by Bandera", I have this question. And who demolished, was it not Bandera? Noticing the traces of their crimes, that is, the crimes of their fathers and grandfathers? belay
    11. vezunchik
      vezunchik 22 February 2014 10: 17
      +5
      I agree, We urgently need to unite and defend our territory! the whole West laughs not only at Ukrainians, but also at us, for our helplessness and naivety!
      But once again I say - who will do this? The tops were stolen and everything stolen and the families were sent west. They are hostages of the west. But let them remember how and with what Milosovic Gaddafi Hussein ended! This is waiting for them ...
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    13. alicante11
      alicante11 22 February 2014 11: 44
      +1
      I set a minus, just because it was you who slept Ukraine, the East, Westerners call you slaves


      And you drained the Union. So there is no need to "put a minus for what you did yourself." All of you muddy the power here. But at the same time, you do nothing to correct the situation.
    14. infinite silence ...
      infinite silence ... 22 February 2014 12: 14
      +6
      The East did not allow this plague to come in! ... The East is not silent! Today in Kharkiv, the All-Ukrainian Public Union (VOS) "Ukrainian Front" is holding a congress of deputies of the southeastern regions of Ukraine
      Yes, I agree that there is no bright leader yet. But he will be identified in the near future ... We will not prematurely sprinkle his head with ashes ...
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 22 February 2014 14: 38
        0
        Quote: infinite silence ...
        The East did not allow this plague to come in! ... The East is not silent! Today in Kharkiv, the All-Ukrainian Public Union (VOS) "Ukrainian Front" is holding a congress of deputies of the southeastern regions of Ukraine
        Yes, I agree that there is no bright leader yet. But he will be identified in the near future ... We will not prematurely sprinkle his head with ashes ...


        Is Oleg Tsarev not a leader? (sincere question)
    15. sssla
      sssla 22 February 2014 12: 48
      +2
      Quote: vladsolo56
      I set a minus, just because it was you who slept Ukraine, the East, Westerners call you slaves, they simply took power in Ukraine, and tomorrow they will come to the east. Maybe I'm wrong, and it would be very good if I were mistaken, but I’m sure that they will come and make you work, work for yourself, make you slaves, and slaves will work

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6g3hdaTbOg -Вот и вам ответ)
    16. 120352
      120352 22 February 2014 12: 51
      +1
      Don't you see a politician from the East? There is nothing wrong with that. As with us (at that time the concept of "Ukraine" had not yet been constitutionalized, it was just a locality, a part of Russia, where that part of the Russians who called themselves Little Russians or Russians lived - do not believe it, read the documents of the Pereyaslavskaya Rada or the same N. V. Gogol "Taras Bulba") in 1917, power is lying on the street and does not belong to anyone. But suddenly some devil will jump out of the snuff-box, which no one had heard of before (it turned out to be Lenin), who will raise this power. All that is needed for this is an armored carriage and money from abroad. In the latter case, 2 main options are possible: 1) US dollars (and then Little Russia will become something like a US protectorate); 2) the euro, as usual, from Germany (no one else has them in the EU, because the rest of the EU lives at the expense of Germany, funded by the US on the sly for the collapse of the Russian world. In this case, Ukraine will become Gauleiter. Other options for "freedom" and " a happy life according to the Western model "is not provided for in these cases. And in no others either. The third, additional option - Russia's active participation in the return of its ancestral lands and citizens - is still unproductive. Implementation of Otto von Bismarck's plan to dismember and oppose two parts the united nation (his words) gave its rapid shoots. We, apparently, will have to "stand on the sidelines" until the West realizes that keeping 46 million beggars, moreover aggressively minded and with an excessive appetite, is beyond its power. With this situation, the "Ukrainians" will rebel again and once again try to return to the bosom of mother Russia and start again something like the Pereyaslavl Rada, and then we will see if they are ready.
      For us now, the main thing is to pay tribute to the extras who rehearsed the Maidan on Bolotnaya and to prevent their Maidan, which, most likely, can start with a million-strong Muslim rally on Manezhnaya Square, declared by them on January 26, but postponed for a while after the Olympics.
      I hope that our government and people will have enough intelligence, will and strength to respond to it adequately and in a timely manner, without regard to the opinion of the West. It is clear that the matter will not do without blood. But it can be small if you react immediately and as harshly as possible, or as in Little Russia: there is considerable blood and no results. Our country is dearer to us than the opinion of the salivating "Western partners"!
    17. copper49
      copper49 22 February 2014 13: 22
      0
      It's all about the presence / absence of a party, that is, an organized force. The "Westernizers" had and still have such parties. The "Easterners" do not. The "Party of Regions" led by .... a piece of Yanukovych's dung has shown itself worthless. There will be a strong party - there will be something to rally around and there will be someone to fight back and not allow to ruin the country. So go ahead, People's Front! To urgently work out a coherent program that should attract the majority, a sensible center and sensible regional organizations. Otherwise kirdyk.
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    19. 31231
      31231 22 February 2014 15: 19
      +1
      And I put you a minus. I am now watching the congress of parliamentarians of the East and South. And they are ready to defend their land from enemies and Svidomo.
    20. Sandov
      Sandov 22 February 2014 18: 08
      0
      You + for the love of the motherland. And for the good Malorosiya, be part of Russia and live as before, and zapadentsy go to the fucking geyropu.
    21. alexdol
      alexdol 22 February 2014 19: 14
      +5
      vladsolo56 (1) RU "Western Ukraine is celebrating, there is a holiday in Kiev. The East is silent."
      ------------------------------------------------------------
      Yes, the East is not silent, for example, I’m already tired of shouting and calling for HELP!
      But again they say: SOLVE YOUR PROBLEMS YOURSELF! But Ukraine, this is part of RUSSIA, but they somehow forget about it! Or did you manage to ZAMBROBE all of you well? But back to the question of SILENCE. And let's remember 1993, Moscow, and how this bastard YELTSYN shot the Supreme Council. And did someone come to the HELP? But, I repeat, even from Kharkov people went to defend the sun! YOU all in Russia silently swallowed this COUPLING, and today, of course, everyone recognizes that the EBN is a SCAM! But only the point of this! And then the ARMY, which always says that outside of POLITICS, decided everything in favor of YELTSIN! Today they are ashamed to remember this. And what could the FORKLESS PEOPLE do against the ARMY? It’s clear to everyone - NOTHING! Today the same thing is happening in Ukraine: WESTERN FORCES armed with WESTERN and EASYNESS people of the EAST! What are our actions? Your suggestions...
      1. uhjpysq1
        uhjpysq1 22 February 2014 20: 09
        0
        ) Well then, the fight didn’t swell so much) and the Khazbulat surname was very embarrassing for people) I’m generally silent about Barkashov) but what about banderlogs breaking into tanks on you? so become the head of a detachment-region-region then they will hear you.
    22. Yegorchik
      Yegorchik 22 February 2014 20: 02
      +2
      GOLDEN EAGLE
      Today in 12: 55
      Friends, due to the fact that
      our brothers and sisters Ukrainians need help, many ask for shelter
      (at least temporary) in Russia, Belarus, they write a lot of requests for help (not
      material), and physical residence. If there is in the villages
      Russia, Belarus empty houses or a place to hide, write
      To the administrator. Many women with children, the situation is critical, it is necessary
      take out children and women!
      He stibril from the Bender forum where they laughed at this message where the original is. I don’t know who knows. Maybe someone lives near Ukraine and can help.
    23. elessar
      elessar 23 February 2014 02: 07
      +1
      Slaves? Apparently, you don’t quite understand what’s going on with us ... Does the East sleep? You know, the east does not have the resources and means that the Maidan has. Do you offer to go under the bullets of snipers and maydanutyh with machine guns? There VV and Berkut were killed, and you suggest us to go with protest to this pack of militants armed with America? Yes. they will come here - in Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk. Yanukovych betrayed us, those who elected him, and those soldiers who defended him at the cost of their lives on the streets of Kiev. Now the East is unarmed in the face of extremists from the West. One question, seeing all this, where is the RF? Seeing the slaughter of us, the Russian population of the South-East of Ukraine, the Russian Federation is silent! Silent, not helping either his authority or the supply of any help! Now it has come to the point that intervention is simply necessary to protect their Russian citizens from gangs of formations and extremist power! Where is the RF?
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 23 February 2014 16: 16
        +2
        Quote: elessar
        One question, seeing all this, where is the RF?

        The meaning of the claims against Russia is not clear!
        Quote: elessar
        Seeing the slaughter of us, the Russian population of the South-East of Ukraine, the Russian Federation is silent!

        Ask for the Russian Federation.
        Quote: elessar
        Silent, not helping either his authority or the supply of any help!

        Specifically, what kind of help is needed?
        Quote: elessar
        Where is the RF?

        Open the map, Russia IS NOT IN UKRAINE.
      2. tank64rus
        tank64rus 28 February 2014 11: 59
        0
        Your mistake is that you gave the organization of the Resistance to officials from Yanukovych it was immediately evident from the organization and the speeches for the record. Boys make such speeches with their hearts people feel it. No experience. Learn. Read Lenin's ingenious tactics and strategist precisely revolutions. A leader has appeared in Sevastopol and things have gone. And from officials such leaders as from go..on a bullet. That in Kharkov there is no armored factory and there are no workers who need to clearly say what will happen to them very soon. I'm not talking about the setting of armored vehicles and combatants at the block posts. As soon as the banderlogs see an organized force that can go all the way, your business in the East can be considered lost. If they try to shoot, they immediately lose, because the West has already begun to squint too much talk, there is nothing to say about Russia. Sevastopol and Crimea before your eyes. Do not wait and be sacrificial sheep, but act like your ancestors in the same 1918. Look for Old Man.
      3. tank64rus
        tank64rus 28 February 2014 11: 59
        0
        Your mistake is that you gave the organization of the Resistance to officials from Yanukovych it was immediately evident from the organization and the speeches for the record. Boys make such speeches with their hearts people feel it. No experience. Learn. Read Lenin's ingenious tactics and strategist precisely revolutions. A leader has appeared in Sevastopol and things have gone. And from officials such leaders as from go..on a bullet. That in Kharkov there is no armored factory and there are no workers who need to clearly say what will happen to them very soon. I'm not talking about the setting of armored vehicles and combatants at the block posts. As soon as the banderlogs see an organized force that can go all the way, your business in the East can be considered lost. If they try to shoot, they immediately lose, because the West has already begun to squint too much talk, there is nothing to say about Russia. Sevastopol and Crimea before your eyes. Do not wait and be sacrificial sheep, but act like your ancestors in the same 1918. Look for Old Man.
    24. Marat
      Marat 23 February 2014 02: 12
      0
      You are wrong. In fact, in general, we should have abandoned and defended the president, who had betrayed us long before all these Maidan events? By the way, I just can’t understand why Russia is so sure that the eastern regions are so devoted to Yanukovych ( yes, not a question, the overwhelming majority voted for him, but he betrayed us all) But, believe me, if all these banderlogs reach out to Donbass, they will receive a worthy rebuff.
    25. himanru
      himanru 23 February 2014 03: 15
      +4
      You're not right. The Maidan was organized, they acted boldly, impudently, and "specific" technologies were used. And here, in the East, the people were a little at a loss, although, I confess, I was not surprised by Yanukovych's consistent betrayal and the immediate abandonment of his fellow party members - this is, first of all, his fault. While the local leadership is cheering: "we will not allow", "we will not allow", and in the Dnieper, the monuments to Lenin are being thrown off, I heard that in Lugansk the same story, a huge crowd of idiots wandered around Kharkov - in support of the Maidan, the local leadership fled. I very much doubt that the same story will not repeat itself here, in Donetsk. I really hope and will do my best for the self-organization of people - to repulse the illegal government that encroaches on our rights and values, but so far it’s hard to figure out what it will look like. These are active actions, this is almost certainly a conflict with law enforcement officers, this is an armed confrontation, this is a war - do you understand what kind of responsibility this is? If I am ready for this, are others ready? What will happen to children, women, old people? The example of Syria before my eyes, I'm not talking about Yugoslavia. So I don't know what will happen - we have many active people who love the Motherland and are ready to defend it. The problem with leaders, I believe - we will cope.
    26. tanya.petrova
      tanya.petrova 23 February 2014 10: 07
      0
      I agree, with you, the party of regions has existed for at least 15 years, not a single serious youth, passionate organization has been made (it was a pity for money), more or less passionate people, were instantly overwritten as competitors in a single political field,
      Weak attempts to organize in Kharkov and Crimea are unlikely to lead to anything, such things are not being organized in a hurry. as far back as the 92nd I saw the Unsovtsy in Kiev, impressively, a convoy of 800 people — all in black jackets, and in the east — drugs, booze, and hard workers, all the passionaries had been dumped for a long time. The Party of Regions itself has lost its ... power, and now, why did the Banderaites go to Donetsk, do they have power, now they will remove their militants, reassure everyone, change the governors and their teams and begin to pursue a pronounced anti-Russian policy along the way, taking away business from not svoih.oobshchem to hell with him with the business, will begin to break. these are the things.
      PS There is little hope for Jews from Kharkov, maybe they are on the wave of anti-fascism
      will be able to organize something. thank.
    27. O_RUS
      O_RUS 25 February 2014 05: 59
      +1
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Maybe I'm wrong, and it would be very good if I were mistaken, but I am sure that they will come and make you work, work for yourself, make you slaves, and slaves will work.


      slave slave sees from far

      Vryat did you do something significant

      Yes, and leadership qualities are not inherent in the accountant
    28. Skif
      Skif 27 February 2014 04: 53
      +1
      You're not right. As long as the children and grandchildren of those who crushed Nazism in his den are alive in the East, this will not happen. Nobody is eager to be slaves at Bender (we do not take chameleons into account)
      1. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 27 February 2014 22: 46
        0
        Quote: Skiff
        While the children and grandchildren of those who crushed Nazism in its den are alive in the East,


        It would be nice if so! Let them have the strength to carry a bright memory through the years!
  2. santush
    santush 22 February 2014 08: 31
    +10
    Indeed, Ukraine is no more. Alas ...
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 22 February 2014 08: 41
      +14
      UKRAINE NO. THERE IS HISTORICAL KIEV RUSSIA!
      STILL FORWARD!
      1. Pinochet000
        Pinochet000 22 February 2014 08: 57
        +9
        Quote: Magadan
        UKRAINE NO. THERE IS HISTORICAL KIEV RUSSIA!
        STILL FORWARD!

        I think so! And do not share it, she is all ours!
    2. Normal
      Normal 22 February 2014 08: 52
      +23
      Quote: santush
      Indeed, Ukraine is no more


      Wrong.
      UkrAina, as an anti-Russian, anti-Russian project, is just getting a new development. To my great regret.
      1. Samson911
        Samson911 22 February 2014 09: 05
        +7
        It is time to strengthen the border with Ukraine in the Rostov, Belgorod, Bryansk and Kursk regions. The maidanut under the leadership of Washington will not really stop there.
        1. vezunchik
          vezunchik 22 February 2014 10: 23
          +3
          Correctly! Hitler didn’t stop, but after all it all began with the support of the West -Austria- Czechoslovakia Poland Russia ...
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 22 February 2014 14: 40
            +1
            Quote: vezunchik
            Correctly! Hitler didn’t stop, but after all it all began with the support of the West -Austria- Czechoslovakia Poland Russia ...


            Well ... it's paranoia.
            All the same, the sequence was Austria-Czechoslovakia-Norway-Denmark-Belgium-Holland-France-Greece-Yugoslavia and only then the USSR
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      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 22 February 2014 09: 44
        +2
        I completely agree with you, gas wars will seem like a child’s game until everything settles down
    3. user
      user 22 February 2014 08: 57
      +19
      I recently watched the women's biathlon relay, Ukraine took gold. The girls ran well, no questions asked. But for some reason, the thought "The last medal of a non-existent country" tormented me inside me, and I remembered how the team of "Already defunct Soviet Union" came out and such melancholy piled on me.
      God forbid if I'm wrong.
      1. Samson911
        Samson911 22 February 2014 15: 09
        +1
        By the way! Most recently, I almost completely collected a collection of awards and signs of the prosecutor's office of Ukraine from the Heroldmeister and now it seems to be in my hands, if not rarities, then of rarity for sure. A new power will come and create new insignia. But I definitely will not collect them. Vile and disgusting.
    4. alexdol
      alexdol 22 February 2014 19: 45
      +2
      santush SU "Indeed, Ukraine no longer exists. Alas ..."
      ----------------------------------------------------------
      You write as if you regret that Ukraine no longer exists. Yes, in principle, it never existed, and you should not regret it! Now we just need to restore RUSSIA in its usual BORDERS, and this is the former "Ukraine" too
  3. dddym
    dddym 22 February 2014 08: 32
    +12
    By action or inaction - GUILT!
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 22 February 2014 14: 41
      0
      Quote: dddym
      By action or inaction - GUILT!


      an act or omission in law is called an act. For a criminal act (i.e., for action and inaction), in fact, they are punished
  4. invisibility
    invisibility 22 February 2014 08: 33
    +30
    Vitaliy Klichko. You are a very special person in this clique. Who could have imagined you in the company of the coup organizers a couple of years ago ?! You were the pride of Ukraine. Out of respect for past merits, I will not really blame you strictly, but what you did, what you said would be enough for a decent period of time in jail.

    Blame! The most ..... traitor of all! Because from the pride of Ukraine, he turned into a dermo.
    1. papik09
      papik09 25 February 2014 15: 47
      0
      This is doubly offensive to me, because I know him personally .. recourse
  5. Wellych
    Wellych 22 February 2014 08: 37
    +1
    February 21, 2014 as a result of the coup, organized by Klitschko, Yatsenyuk, Tyagnibok

    Very big assumption. Maybe only tagnyboku entrusted to drive a government Daewoo. We are waiting for the rest either on linden or in hamburg.
    1. dddym
      dddym 22 February 2014 08: 41
      +12
      Yes, you forget about Klitschko - there is a gray cardinal - Yarosh - this one is more dangerous than this bullshit, and Yarosh is a burnt natsik!
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 22 February 2014 14: 42
        0
        Quote: dddym
        Yes, you forget about Klitschko - there is a gray cardinal - Yarosh - this one is more dangerous than this bullshit, and Yarosh is a burnt natsik!


        Actually, Yarosh is the one who dictates decisions today. Klitschko-Yatsenyuk-Tyagnibok is just a group of clowns
  6. Magadan
    Magadan 22 February 2014 08: 38
    +33
    Guys, just masks dropped and the occupation of Historical Russia by Bandera scumbags is coming.
    They obviously will not do cavalry attacks to the East. Their steps are calculated in principle:
    1) Change of leadership of all regions of the East to their minions. As well as the replacement of security forces.
    Here we need speeches. Need refusal of managers to leave their posts. Let them negotiate. The people need to marry their governors in the square.

    2) Cleaning the cultural field: change of school directors and even kindergartens. The Ministry of Culture of Ukraine is already Bandera.
    Tell your children the Truth about our common Historical Russia. Do not rely on school education. Stick up leaflets. Activate the Internet

    3) The appointment of Bandera from Galicia to a variety of bread positions. They will bring relatives with them, etc. Most likely they will also try to lure ordinary people from Galicia to you to the East.
    Here you just need to grab one by one and quietly 3.14dit. To make them uncomfortable.

    4) They will again try to capture ALL the Orthodox Temples and make them Uniate.
    Here only parishioners will be able to repel the arrivals.

    ALWAYS REMIND BANDERS THAT YOUR REGIONS FEED THEM.
    REMIND THEM ABOUT THEIR HOLO PAST UNDER CRAFTS AND AUSTRIANS. YOUR KAZAKI GRANDFARES WHY SOMETH WERE COULD BE FORGOTTEN WHEN THE GALITSKY ORGANIZE HAS BEEN SUBMISSIBLE.

    We need to start collecting money for you. We should all start cooking and our lads (from the word "clap", but not hands)
    I think the Galicians won a Pyrrhic victory. Still to come.
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    2. cumastra1
      cumastra1 22 February 2014 08: 57
      +17
      need to be reminded with the help of machines. The Nazis do not understand another language. And the sooner this purification happens, possibly very bloody, the better for Ukraine. It is possible that the territorial division to the west-south-east is the most rational and bloodless solution. But what is happening now will lead to even greater evil. Recall Yugoslavia, recall the history of Ukraine itself. Does this really teach nothing?
      1. vezunchik
        vezunchik 22 February 2014 10: 28
        +4
        I agree. Bandits respect power and understand only the language of weapons! And how are they afraid of Lenin!
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    3. Skif
      Skif 22 February 2014 09: 16
      0
      You say everything correctly, dear comrade, but only somehow from a distance from a little ... If you dream of Great Russia - why sit in the states, or is it more visible from there? (If the diplomat, of course, the lowest apology, you’ll protect the Slavs there, the State Department will be in a rustle)
    4. stroporez
      stroporez 22 February 2014 09: 41
      +5
      Quote: Magadan
      Galicians won a Pyrrhic victory. Still to come.
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    5. infinite silence ...
      infinite silence ... 22 February 2014 12: 45
      +3
      Quote: Magadan
      Tell your children the Truth about our common Historical Russia. Do not rely on school education.


      Exactly! The lack of ideological education, the education of patriotism has fulfilled its black role in recent events. Substitution of true values.
      This is the most important mistake of the government.
      I will subscribe to your every word.
  7. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 22 February 2014 08: 41
    +20
    I think so .. Ukraine walked up in "nezalezhnosti" it's time to go home to a quiet and safe house in Russia! (we will cleanse, we will cure, we will regret it ..) Stop fornicating well, it's a shame in front of the world community .. am
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 22 February 2014 08: 47
      +14
      You just need to cut off Galicia for hell. But these loafers - Bandera, will this be allowed?
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 22 February 2014 10: 56
        0
        Why give it away? Only re-education, hard work for the common good, and so neither land nor people can be saved.
        1. philip
          philip 22 February 2014 11: 09
          0
          It is not labor that should be voluntary, and generally pleasure, otherwise it is not effective. And EDUCATION is a public flogging, confiscation of property and a ban on certain types of work. Depending on the contribution to the sovereignty of Ukraine.
    2. SkippeR08RUS
      SkippeR08RUS 22 February 2014 09: 58
      +2
      absolutely right angry
  8. domokl
    domokl 22 February 2014 08: 44
    +15
    I would add to the list a lot of insignificance in uniform with big stars. There were no honest commanders in Ukraine. Namely commanders. Yesterday I saw a police colonel from Lviv and his minions on the Maidan ... Scum. Sopli let the rebel for the people. People swore an oath, damn it.
    But in general, emotionally, but true. The main culprit for any Yanukovych. It was his weakness that led to the sms. Rights of the author. The rest are more labels than real politicians. Yatsenyuk and Tymoshenko will win. And all these nicknames, truckers and others like them will travel West write memoirs ...
  9. Renat
    Renat 22 February 2014 08: 46
    +18
    Well, how can you not remember Vissarionovich? With him, this simply would not have happened. Even in the bud, that is, in drawing up a coup plan in the offices of the Western special services, they would have stopped. But unfortunately there are too many "would".
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 22 February 2014 14: 45
      +1
      Quote: Renat
      Well, how can you not remember Vissarionovich? With him, this simply would not have happened. Even in the bud, that is, in drawing up a coup plan in the offices of the Western special services, they would have stopped. But unfortunately there are too many "would".


      It was the IVS that did not root out the Bendery infection.
      In comparison with the same Russian peasants, for some reason they were practically graciously treated with them.
      1. papik09
        papik09 25 February 2014 15: 51
        0
        And you had to do it ruthlessly am
    2. Ramadan
      Ramadan 22 February 2014 17: 58
      +1
      You still remember Peter I ....
  10. v53993
    v53993 22 February 2014 08: 48
    +12
    On February 21, 2014, as a result of a coup d'etat staged by Klitschko, Yatsenyuk, Tyagnibok, as well as a whole cohort of less visible “politicians” and outright extremists, the state of Ukraine de facto ceased to exist.

    If we consider that the revolution has taken place, then according to the laws of the genre, it will soon begin to devour its children. Raven now flies so much that the sky hr .. you see.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 22 February 2014 11: 01
      +1
      Those who came to power as a result of the coup do not recognize, do not give money, organize assistance to the regions of unrecognizing usurpers.
  11. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 22 February 2014 08: 50
    +14
    Here is an example of how a minority of scoundrels manages to bring to their knees a meek majority, and dictate his will to him ...
    I'm in shock ...
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 22 February 2014 11: 02
      +1
      Quote: ia-ai00
      Here is an example of how the minority of scoundrels manages to bring the resigned majority to their knees, and dictate their will to him ...
      I'm in shock ...

      This is called American democracy.
  12. vlasov70
    vlasov70 22 February 2014 08: 53
    0
    Influential Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky made a direct appeal to the president of Ukraine and scum (as the source says - Vlasov70), who are trying to ruin Ukraine at the congress of separatists in Kharkov, which will be held today.
    “In my native Dnepropetrovsk separatism will not work. Separatism will not take place in any southeastern region of our country. I want all politicians to take a sober look at the situation, and formulate their position primarily taking into account the Constitution of Ukraine and the Code of Criminal Procedure. Anyone who tries to go against the unity of Ukraine will certainly lose.
    And I specifically want to appeal to one person - the mayor of Kharkov, Mr. Kernes. Gennady Adolfovich, the opening of the “Ukrainian Front” by you is what I consider a misunderstanding. You will receive a moral right to command the front and lead it into battle when you first engage in your combat training, and not cycling, and when you begin to risk yourself or your loved ones. And you should make separatist statements only if you will not send your son on an excursion to the Maldives, but to Dagestan, or to the train station in Volgograd - let him look and share his impressions. Maybe it will sober up your very hot head. God forbid you look into the eyes of the mothers of sons who may not return from the front you organized. Ukraine has never waged wars of conquest, but it will give a single inch of its land. Mr. Kernes, if you begin to play the fate of millions of people, you can very seriously complicate your already difficult own fate. Think about it".
    Source: http://politobzor.net/show-13564-kolomoyskiy-oficialno-predupredil-yanukovicha-o
    -pechalnyh-posledstviyah-separatizma.html
    1. tupolev-95
      tupolev-95 22 February 2014 09: 23
      +12
      Well, the oligarch is just directly related to the scum, thanks to which everything happened so.
      1. vlasov70
        vlasov70 22 February 2014 09: 36
        +10
        This is clear. But this statement shows in which direction big capital will work in Ukraine. And note, no one on the Maidan questions the legitimacy of this capital, no one talks about the need to revise the privatization and nationalization of the main strategically important sectors of the economy. The oligarchs, along with the State Department, remain the purse of the "democratic" opposition in Ukraine.
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 22 February 2014 11: 24
          0
          Land - to the peasants, factories - to the workers, not to be allowed into Russia.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 22 February 2014 09: 41
      +7
      Quote: vlasov70
      Mr. Kernes, if you begin to play the fate of millions of people, you can very seriously complicate your already difficult own fate. Think about it".

      Well yes! One Jew advises another. Only one of them is a Jew, and who is ..?

      "Deputies of all levels from the southeastern regions and the Autonomous Republic of Crimea will come to the Palace of Sports in Kharkov on February 22. A stage is being mounted on the roadway near the Palace, traffic along Marshal Zhukov Avenue was blocked for four days.
      As UNIAN reported earlier, on February 1 in Kharkiv during the congress of the primary organizations of the Party of Regions, it was decided to create the All-Ukrainian Public Union “Ukrainian Front”, and the delegates of the congress decided to create a people's guard to protect administrative buildings and structures from seizures. "
      XXXX
      And I consider the courage of the leaders of Kharkov, who were not afraid to host this congress, despite the threats of the SBU !!!

      The SBU will take tough measures to end attacks on the territorial integrity and inviolability of Ukraine. The corresponding statement was published on the official website of the SBU. "The situation that has developed in Ukraine today testifies to the attempts of individual politicians, representatives of local self-government bodies, leaders of public associations, radicals, to create a basis for the escalation of civil conflict, the spread of autonomist and separatist sentiments among the population, which can lead to the cessation of existence our state as a unitary state and its loss of state sovereignty, "the message says. It is also said that individual deputies of different levels have begun to conduct separate negotiations with representatives of foreign states. "Consultations on the possible division of the country into several parts in violation of the procedure established by the Constitution of Ukraine are already openly held," the department notes. According to the message, this may lead to an escalation of confrontation between different segments of the population, incitement of ethnic or religious hatred and military conflict. “Based on the foregoing, the Security Service is taking tough measures to end encroachments on the territorial integrity and inviolability of Ukraine and to bring those involved in such activities to criminal responsibility,” the SBU said in a statement.
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-139409.html
      XXXX
      Of course, now there will be an attempt to liquidate the "separatists", but whether the "new government" will succeed is still a question.
      1. mamba
        mamba 22 February 2014 11: 01
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        The security service is taking tough measures to end encroachments on the territorial integrity and inviolability of Ukraine and to bring the persons involved in such activities to criminal liability "

        Where was she before this formidable SBU? Why did she allow fascism and a civil war in Ukraine? Where is her assessment of the situation in the country? Why does she react only to the mood of the Southeast, which are the result of events in Kiev and the West of the country? Or maybe it's her games?
        1. RND
          RND 22 February 2014 13: 05
          +6
          Quote: mamba
          Quote: Egoza
          The security service is taking tough measures to end encroachments on the territorial integrity and inviolability of Ukraine and to bring the persons involved in such activities to criminal liability "

          Where was she before this formidable SBU? Why did she allow fascism and a civil war in Ukraine? Where is her assessment of the situation in the country? Why does she react only to the mood of the Southeast, which are the result of events in Kiev and the West of the country? Or maybe it's her games?

          Is this such an SBU?
      2. Penzyac
        Penzyac 22 February 2014 11: 31
        +4
        From Kharkov, the liberation of Ukraine from fascist evil spirits began 70 years ago, and will begin now. Fascism will not pass. The collaborators will answer for everything to the people.
      3. Messer
        Messer 22 February 2014 15: 18
        +1
        SBU Well, what kind of humor can you protect yourself? And we protect territorial integrity. Take off your shoulder straps. Go home. Watch TV.
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 22 February 2014 09: 48
      +8
      Quote: vlasov70
      Influential Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky made a direct appeal to the president of Ukraine and scum (as the source says - Vlasov70), who are trying to ruin Ukraine at the congress of separatists in Kharkov, which will be held today.

      This "influential" oligarch is aiming for a queen. Better to share how he chopped the dough, and how much he unbuckled to maintain the Maidan. Igor Kolomoisky, during the Orange Revolution, secured the support of the future Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko. Using the tacit support of the head of government, he, according to the Polish weekly Wprost, managed to double his assets in 2005 alone.
      To do this, he had to become a pioneer of the so-called phenomenon of Ukrainian raiding - the use of the state and imperfect legislation to seize other people's property. For this, the Privat group is considered by many to be the country's main raider. The list of enterprises affected by the raiding activities of the group includes the Ozerka market, DniproPharm, Dnepropetrovsk House of Life, NPO Teplotehnika, Kiev Technical Paper Plant and many others. For one, he should be reminded of his Israeli citizenship. Worker and patriot, damn it ... from the pliad of rats which recently divorced in Ukraine unmeasured ..
      1. vlasov70
        vlasov70 22 February 2014 09: 55
        +10
        And they are all that in Ukraine, that in Russia. All grabbed and lay down under the West. In general, the presence of an oligarchy in Russia is extremely dangerous for her. Because, by definition, it cannot be Russian, it will always remain comprador. So far, her Westernism has been restrained by security forces led by Putin, and what will happen after Putin? We recall our 90s, and look at today's Ukraine.
      2. Vladimir 70
        Vladimir 70 22 February 2014 10: 07
        +5
        This is an influential oligarch in the queens. Better to tell how he cut the dough and how much he unfastened to maintain the Maidan. Igor Kolomoisky, in the period of the Orange Revolution, enlisted the support of the future Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko ...
        There is still personal revenge for the Lousy. Lousy’s son tried to squeeze business from Kolomoisky, but missed. Kolomoisky promised to crash PrivatBank (our main bank) and my son retreated ...
      3. vezunchik
        vezunchik 22 February 2014 10: 25
        +1
        Why do they drink it? They dumped t into Israel, but he doesn’t give his own!
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    4. common man
      common man 22 February 2014 11: 00
      +4
      Well, you can say with 99% certainty who is behind the "Right Sector". "Dear" Igor Kolomoisky... And this whole scourge was arranged only to overthrow (trample) Yanukovych and clean up his assets. "Rob the loot", that's the whole romance of revolutions.
    5. saha471
      saha471 22 February 2014 11: 15
      +4
      I am translating into Russian. "Guys, relax! Do not break the law! Behave yourself and do not take responsibility for the fate of people. Do not defend yourself from the brutal armed crowd. And you will be clean before the LAW. We will celebrate and reward you. True posthumously." Where was this dictated to him? At the US Embassy? Or have they threatened to take the money if they don't obey? Another traitor is the Jew Kolomoisky. President of the United Jewish Community of Ukraine.
    6. Penzyac
      Penzyac 22 February 2014 11: 21
      0
      It would be better if I thought about myself, a thief. I do not think that Mr. Kolomoisky is resting exclusively in the Crimea and Dagestan, but he probably placed the money in Europe and offshore.
    7. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 22 February 2014 13: 25
      +1
      Quote: vlasov70
      Influential Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky made a direct appeal to the President of Ukraine and scum

      Kolomoisky Igor Valerievich is an entrepreneur with Ukrainian and Israeli citizenship, a member of the supervisory boards of PrivatBank, the Naftohimik Prikarpattya oil refinery, as well as the Ukrnafta oil production company, and vice president of the Football Federation of Ukraine.
    8. cdrt
      cdrt 22 February 2014 14: 48
      0
      Quote: vlasov70
      Influential Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky made a direct appeal to the president of Ukraine and scum (as the source says - Vlasov70), who are trying to ruin Ukraine at the congress of separatists in Kharkov, which will be held today.
      “In my native Dnepropetrovsk separatism will not work. Separatism will not take place in any southeastern region of our country. I want all politicians to take a sober look at the situation, and formulate their position primarily taking into account the Constitution of Ukraine and the Code of Criminal Procedure. Anyone who tries to go against the unity of Ukraine will certainly lose.
      And I specifically want to appeal to one person - the mayor of Kharkov, Mr. Kernes. Gennady Adolfovich, the opening of the “Ukrainian Front” by you is what I consider a misunderstanding. You will receive a moral right to command the front and lead it into battle when you first engage in your combat training, and not cycling, and when you begin to risk yourself or your loved ones. And you should make separatist statements only if you will not send your son on an excursion to the Maldives, but to Dagestan, or to the train station in Volgograd - let him look and share his impressions. Maybe it will sober up your very hot head. God forbid you look into the eyes of the mothers of sons who may not return from the front you organized. Ukraine has never waged wars of conquest, but it will give a single inch of its land. Mr. Kernes, if you begin to play the fate of millions of people, you can very seriously complicate your already difficult own fate. Think about it".
      Source: http://politobzor.net/show-13564-kolomoyskiy-oficialno-predupredil-yanukovicha-o

      -pechalnyh-posledstviyah-separatizma.html


      And by the way, a possible consequence of this is terror acts in the territory of the Russian Federation in the near future. It will be necessary to show to the east that in Russia hellish
    9. cat 1970
      cat 1970 24 February 2014 16: 26
      0
      ...., what, the fate of woof = no-food Vlasov haunts? And about the MOTHER, you’d better shut up, if you indulge the gangster sv-o-lochi, then the number of inconsolable widows, fathers, mothers, orphaned children will only increase. EVIL SHOULD BE PUNISHED !!!! And do not you judge, liberal, you did not fight.
  13. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 22 February 2014 08: 56
    +9
    I think Danton said "the revolution is eating its children." So, that these "leaders of the Maidan" have already a little left, the millstones are gaining momentum. We are waiting for a fair trial of history for them.
  14. ZU-23
    ZU-23 22 February 2014 08: 56
    +4
    Now, whoever rules there In Ukraine, there is no sovereignty and most likely the army will not be there
  15. platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 22 February 2014 09: 01
    +7
    and how it will be later, and then it will be like in Egypt, only in Egypt there is an army of the people, but in Ukraine there is no, the southeast needs to decide with whom they, with the EU, hungry unemployed slaves as Yugoslavs, or with RUSSIA as full members of society, and it’s necessary to decide today and now, tomorrow it will be too late
  16. haron
    haron 22 February 2014 09: 02
    +3
    The fact has happened, and it must be taken for granted.
    Before yelling - "EVERYTHING IS LOST CHEF" !!! you just have to think.

    Until December or earlier there will be presidential elections, there will be much more to be decided.
    Yanukovych, who occupied the pro-Russian side, was removed - and thank God. Such a ballast is better to throw.

    Now the question is in the leader who will adequately lead the country towards integrity and .... in general, we need to look for a normal person.
    True, the virgin with the scythe got out, now the people will start to balamut ... in short, there is something to work on.
    So that everything is just beginning.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 22 February 2014 11: 19
      +2
      Quote: haron
      Now the question is the leader who will adequately lead the country to conservation

      And to save the country, money is needed first of all. And I won’t be surprised that soon one of the main opposition leaders will go to Moscow to beg for this money. The EU is unlikely they will now unfasten financial assistance, too uncertain situation. So wherever you throw, everywhere a wedge. But Ukraine still cannot do without Russia, sooner or later, but it’s still necessary to bow to it.
      Well, the "maiden with a scythe", it seems to me, on the contrary, is a more sane politician than Yanyk, and it is most likely that you need to talk to her. She will not fight the people, she has other priorities. Most likely, the Ukrainian oligarchs and Yanukovych should be wary of it.
      1. saha471
        saha471 22 February 2014 12: 59
        +2
        And what, someone thinks that her imprisonment changed her slogans "We will surround Donbass with barbed wire, and we will drown Odessa in the sea!" Do you think there will be "more sane policies"? I doubt it. And she will skewer Yanukovosch and three piglets. Let it go. I don't mind them. Moreover, this is what I would approve
    2. rolik
      rolik 22 February 2014 11: 41
      0
      Quote: haron
      Until December or earlier there will be presidential elections, there will be much more to be decided.

      But I’m very interested in where this guano (who called herself president) flew out from Kiev last night if it didn’t land in Kharkov ???? Here's a puzzle with one unknown.
  17. vlasov70
    vlasov70 22 February 2014 09: 03
    +12
    The authorities of Crimea (PR, KPU) have already been blown away. The Armed Forces of Crimea refused to discuss the issue of independence.
    Apparently the soft power in terms of mobilizing the masses of Dopa and Gepa is rather weak. On Khvil there was information that in Kharkov, the congress of state employees was mobilized forcibly.
    The mood of the oligarchs characterizes the conversion of Kolomia.
    The mood of the people in the South-East is the demolition of the monument to Lenin in Dnepropetrovsk, the blockade of cadets of the Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Kharkov.
    There are no pro-Russian forces in Ukraine, with the exception of a certain part that remains passive, since there are no trustworthy individuals among the elites who can organize and lead the movement for an alliance with Russia. We get pro-NATO, Bandera Ukraine.
    Army Group South returned and it is shitty.
  18. darksoul
    darksoul 22 February 2014 09: 08
    +3
    Article plus, I do not see a joint future of the West and the Southeast ...... how they will be together I can’t even imagine
  19. ars_pro
    ars_pro 22 February 2014 09: 14
    +16
    to the grudge of the day, source Maxim
    1. mamba
      mamba 22 February 2014 11: 09
      +2
      Quote: ars_pro
      to the grudge of the day, source Maxim

      This is for Julia. She, of course, will say: "Money in the morning, waste in the evening, and chemical weapons - under a separate article."
    2. Horst78
      Horst78 22 February 2014 11: 26
      +1
      Fuck belay what Like in the movie "carrier-3" am
    3. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 22 February 2014 11: 29
      +1
      And why only radioactive waste? Take it higher, say that they are preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Ukraine. Why all these panic provocative rumors? Where is Italy, and where is Ukraine, how do you imagine the delivery of this waste through neighboring countries? Stop grinding nonsense and play along with the idiots.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 22 February 2014 17: 53
        +1
        I don’t understand what the cons are? Or no one heard that they had long reported, like a chem. weapons from Syria are first sent to Italy, on the island of Sardinia, with subsequent disposal in the Mediterranean Sea. Why make unnecessary statements around this. Or someone really wants to sow panic in a country that is already on the brink. On the minuses, it’s clear that some only dream about it. Remember, this is our brotherly people, albeit lost, wish them a happy life (I don’t have mind Bandera, about them a separate conversation).
      2. papik09
        papik09 25 February 2014 15: 58
        0
        Watson, everything is elementary - by the sea, by the sea ...
  20. razv35
    razv35 22 February 2014 09: 18
    +1
    Question: WHAT NEXT?
    1. vlasov70
      vlasov70 22 February 2014 09: 27
      +3
      And further, if events will develop in the same order. Change of leadership in law enforcement agencies, which is already happening. A change of power in the Crimea and the South-East, which is already being prepared for (statements by the SBU, Kolomiytsev). Strengthening the de-Russification of these regions. Well, then the ousting of the Black Sea Fleet from Crimea, and the promotion of Bandera in the Stavropol Territory and the Krasnodar Territory (there have already been precedents).
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 22 February 2014 11: 45
        +1
        Basayev, I remember, also went outside Ichkeria (specifically in Dagestan), and where is he now, what did he end with?
    2. ars_pro
      ars_pro 22 February 2014 09: 28
      0
      I knock three times on a tree World War 3
      1. vlasov70
        vlasov70 22 February 2014 09: 42
        +6
        There will be no third world. There is no one to press a button (and thank God). As Brzezinski said, "Your elite has long been ours." I will act so-called. "soft power", i.e. print green silversmiths, bake cookies and distribute them in the markets to the Jews from the Russian world, and there are many of those who want to earn extra money and refresh themselves, incl. and in Russia.
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 22 February 2014 09: 51
      +2
      Quote: razv35
      Question: WHAT NEXT?

      And what you see now is chaos and lawlessness.
  21. uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 22 February 2014 09: 20
    -13%
    we get pro-NATO, Bandera Ukraine. ) Nitsche "Iskander" with a vigorous warhead will turn Ukraine into ruin).
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 22 February 2014 09: 53
      +11
      Quote: uhjpysq1
      ) Nitsche "Iskander" with a vigorous warhead will turn Ukraine into ruin

      What do we smoke? Judging by the comment, the thing is funky. Or all the same mushrooms? Did the Mexicans from the mornings deign to bite?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 February 2014 09: 57
        +3
        Quote: Tersky
        What do we smoke?

        bamboo.
        Hi Vit hi
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 22 February 2014 10: 12
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          bamboo.

          belay something new.. recourse ..but the results are impressive. wassat .Hello Sasha, hi !
      2. uhjpysq1
        uhjpysq1 22 February 2014 11: 56
        0
        ))))))))))))))) and you are an expert in this matter, as I take a look))))) Mexican in the morning)))))))))))) no I do not smoke, and you I do not advise)
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 February 2014 09: 56
      +3
      Quote: uhjpysq1
      ) Nitsche "Iskander" with a vigorous warhead will turn Ukraine into ruin).

      How incredibly wonderful that you are not the president of Russia.
      1. uhjpysq1
        uhjpysq1 22 February 2014 10: 11
        +1
        ) How incredibly wonderful that you are not the president of Russia.))) Well, for someone like))) although many people from this site would like my program)) and why should I feel sorry for the "giant"), they are us did not regret!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 February 2014 10: 23
          +3
          Quote: uhjpysq1
          )) although many would like my program from this site)

          Dismantle nuclear weapons to Ukriana? With such a program, the maximum that you have achieved is a koic of a place in a nearby psychiatric hospital. Forgive me for being straightforward, but it is laughing
          1. uhjpysq1
            uhjpysq1 22 February 2014 11: 09
            -2
            ) duck here 90% from the psychiatric hospital)))))))) either from machine guns, or from flamethrowers, they want to smash the Maidan))))))) and they themselves faint from the sight of their own blood)))) you know Alexander romances with enemies do not destroy them almond. and Ukraine is an enemy to me gosudarstva.b more than that, I despise the people there.Even the German fascists are better than the "giants". They at least were obvious enemies, and did not mimic 300 years of their own.
    3. saha471
      saha471 22 February 2014 13: 56
      +1
      Fucked up? Nuclear bomb to Ukraine? You really did something pickled ... I can't explain it otherwise ...
      1. uhjpysq1
        uhjpysq1 22 February 2014 16: 26
        0
        ) I wouldn’t want to, but let the banderlogs stink with corpses than their stinking breath! And they will be thrown to Moscow sooner or later!
    4. papik09
      papik09 25 February 2014 16: 00
      0
      And what do you have in the container between the ears? Ah, you go there. And I thought that brains ... wassat
  22. tomket
    tomket 22 February 2014 09: 20
    +2
    I thought, what if Plushenko has Klitschko on our way? Yeah, in the morning, and not so it comes to mind ......
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 22 February 2014 11: 31
      +1
      Quote: tomket
      I thought, what if Plushenko has Klitschko on our way? Yeah, in the morning, and not so it comes to mind ......

      Great for you! laughing
    2. vlasov70
      vlasov70 22 February 2014 18: 38
      0
      and if Plushenko, we will take the path of Klitschko?

      Then all the bolts will break in his spine ...
  23. Vova
    Vova 22 February 2014 09: 22
    +4
    1. The tops cannot live in the old way - the inability of the ruling class to maintain its dominance unchanged;
    2. The lower classes do not want to live in the old way - a sharp aggravation above the ordinary need and calamities of the oppressed classes and their desire to change their lives for the better;
    3. A significant increase in the activity of the masses, their readiness for independent revolutionary creativity.
    These are, according to Lenin's wording, signs of a revolutionary situation. And this situation has developed in Ukraine. But Klitschko and the others simply podssuetilis in this situation. They are no better than Yanukovych, and Ukraine will also quickly be disappointed in them.
  24. mad
    mad 22 February 2014 09: 24
    +10
    That is why the whole progressive gay community hisses powerlessly - "Putin's regime, Putin's bloody regime", which cannot drown our Russia in the blood of Maidans and swamp areas. Show YANUKOVICH (not a typo) will back in December and today there would be nothing, but when all the stolen loot in Western banks, the head of the SBU is among the top ten richest people in the country, it is difficult to make the right decision ... In 2000, Russia too already written off from the accounts, all sorts of pseudo human rights activists, NGOs and through the alcoholic Benya Chubais, Birch and Khodory ruled the ball, but Putin coped and dragged the country out of the swamp. The country is gradually rising from its knees, there is still monstrous corruption, but the well-being of people is gradually rising, even the Olympics have been pulled, and OWN foreign policy has appeared. And Yanik went on about the Anglo-Saxons and fucked up the country and time will still show the full extent of his guilt.
  25. Des10
    Des10 22 February 2014 09: 25
    +3
    West, South and East will normally coexist in the new, but in essence the old (because this Maidan has only clearly shown the priority of forces) to Ukraine. Some will rule, while others will die and will correspond to the second grade.
    Such anti-Maidan - will not happen, the spirit is not enough. Unfortunately.
  26. individual
    individual 22 February 2014 09: 31
    +4
    Everyone expected an invasion of militant Islam on European civilization, but we get an invasion of Slavic "boys", like the Janissaries brought up by Western civilization against Russia.
    God forbid Russia to sit and calmly wait for how it all ends.
    Putin remove corruption.
    On their Maidan, our reality, our future, is being decided.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 22 February 2014 11: 18
      -1
      Quote: individ
      Putin remove corruption.

      And what does Russian corruption and events in Ukraine have to do with it? Just to fart?
  27. tomket
    tomket 22 February 2014 09: 32
    +8
    Yesterday in social, networks re-posted the picture of the golden eagle, as always, the discussion started, I watched with one eye. Well, in general, a clear story, for the majority of the Golden Eagle - WARS with a capital letter, three four scumbags from the West, for them the Golden Eagle is a traitor. And then I come across an unreasonably active lady, who in every possible way skillfully provoked the people, climbed onto her page, she turned out to be genuine, when asked where she said that the Ukrainian, she ignored the question of why she was hiding from the people under the guise. She began to scoff at her openly, saying that she wasn’t from Poland by chance, or Sergeant McCain wasn’t a thread. After these questions, her activity subsided immediately. It turned out interestingly and I thought how many people are now trying to spread the infection of the Maidan to Russia.
  28. loginovich
    loginovich 22 February 2014 09: 33
    +3
    As for me, Ukraine lost its independence in the year 1996 when the last nuclear weapons were withdrawn from its territory. Since then, Ukraine has been controlled from anywhere but not from Kiev.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 February 2014 09: 39
      +5
      Quote: loginovich
      Ukraine lost its independence in the year 1996 when they removed the last nuclear weapons from their territory

      For your complete happiness, only nuclear weapons are missing. Belarus and Kazakhstan do not have it, but they live like people.
      1. dddym
        dddym 22 February 2014 09: 47
        +2
        Well you give! Nuclear weapons in Russia - and we are in the military bloc! Still a hunchback for an egg for selling 500 tons of uranium to the states ...
  29. Arhj
    Arhj 22 February 2014 09: 35
    +5
    God, how nice it was when news on TV started with sports news. No, the Bandera bastard came and ruined everything.
    The author wrote how he feels. The trouble is that none of the accused needs Ukraine as a state. The goal is much simpler and more prosaic - money. Deflate what remains and run west to the owners.
    I personally believe in South-East. I just do not want to believe that these people will allow Bandera hymns to be sung on their streets and red and black flags flying. And I believe in Russia - because I believe, and faith does not require explanation. Everything is like that of a classic "Russia cannot be understood with a mind, cannot be measured by a yardstick, it’s worth becoming, you can only believe in Russia" A. Fet
  30. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 22 February 2014 09: 37
    +5
    I don't like Dorenko, I consider him a "political fallen woman," for his "exploits" in the late 90s, but sometimes he still speaks correctly ...
  31. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 22 February 2014 09: 39
    +3
    Read ...
    Now such texts can be issued by any more or less competent populist. Those who are in the subject and so all this know and understand. I don’t understand why this text was posted on VO. What else would warm up the audience? IMHO. she is already overheated, soon to smoke.
    The pepper is clear that the supporters of the constitution and order lack self-organization. The pepper is clear that the country is no longer moving, but is flying into the abyss of the Civil War and that the time for using radical means is no longer taking days, but hours. I am sure that in the next two days (at the close of the Olympics) we will all learn and see such that everything that preceded it would seem like babble. Those. real fascist terror will begin, so far on the scale of Kiev and several other cities, and next week and everywhere.
    East and Crimea stand. I'm sure of that too. But this does not abolish the civilian and not the fact that it is not protracted.

    It would be better to lay out more analytical articles. Who is to blame and so clear. We are all to blame, starting with the same Yanukovych and ending with all of us and those who read my lines. It is more important to understand what to do when there is already almost nothing to do. Of course, taking into account the real situation, when the president of the country does not know where and why, when the security forces went to the barracks, and the city was actually plundered to the fascist victors.
    IMHO, of course.
  32. ars_pro
    ars_pro 22 February 2014 09: 41
    +5
    Yanyk is now in Kharkov with a depa and gepa, they are now brainwashing him, because he will not give up and will say everything that is needed at today's meeting, because now Ruslana’s songgirl collects Kompru for Yanyka and will go to the EU with her, at that time a state like Ukraine is no more, but at the same time, well, maybe a little later, citizens announce new areas within the Russian Federation, I would like it to be so
    1. vlasov70
      vlasov70 22 February 2014 09: 49
      +1
      The information service of the Kharkov airport denied the information that the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych flew to Kharkov. It is reported by ITAR-TASS.

      “The president’s board did not land with us,” the airport spokesman said.

      Earlier it was reported that Yanukovych with a limited circle of especially trusted guards flew to Kharkov.

      In addition, it was reported that the speaker of the parliament, Vladimir Rybak, and the head of the presidential administration, Andriy Klyuyev, are also on the presidential plane.

      It would be better if he was not there. I don’t think that Kharkiv will have more enthusiasm in terms of supporting the Ukrainian front.
  33. spirit
    spirit 22 February 2014 09: 42
    +3
    In not more than thirty years of my life, two Motherland was stolen from me.
    .
    I am amazed! The conclusions needed to be drawn the day after the collapse of the first homeland! How many more homelands needed to be lost to make at least some kind of conclusion? 5? 10? So it is possible to split up to the feudal principalities!
  34. dr.star75
    dr.star75 22 February 2014 09: 47
    0
    In such a situation, even the most recent optimists begin to end patience. I. exhausting the enemy with a run?
  35. xomenkova-tanya
    xomenkova-tanya 22 February 2014 09: 48
    +5
    For more than 20 years, people have been poisoned by the brains of the nation’s exclusivity, their charity towards everything Russian ... A whole generation of those who hate Russia has grown up. Plus, there is no information about the true state of things in Russia and not only in it. I live in Kazakhstan, my son is Russia, and brother in Ukraine. He is terribly surprised by the news from our side - and to anyone ... They are sure that everything is bad here - especially in Russia. Satellite dishes, the Internet - what are you talking about? They have luxury mobile phones. The truth is, he is from Odessa region - there is no one to detach the bucks ... People are apolitical there and they don’t know what’s what. My brother answers the questions, I know, he says, that everything’s bad and the Russians are to blame.
    1. tupolev-95
      tupolev-95 22 February 2014 10: 26
      +2
      He himself witnessed this. In 2011, my wife and I went to the Crimea, rested in Sudak. There was a conversation with people from somewhere in the west of Ukraine, who were also vacationers. We had to see their faces when we answered the question about the size of our salaries. We answered honestly, but they were very doubtful.
  36. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 22 February 2014 09: 52
    +7
    It is still just beginning. Now what all this scum has crawled into the world for - robbery and pogroms will begin. The radicals will not listen to the three little guys who think they have won. And the deceived herd will find out why exactly everything was started. I'm afraid to be right, but Kiev is waiting for new "days of the Turbins." The revolution has almost won and it is necessary to snatch a fatter piece, settle scores with enemies and former allies, and just "take a walk" - after all, people for 20 years were explained that they were "free Cossacks", and not that the downtrodden "Moscow byd-lo". The hypocrisy of the West is well-known, they will applaud the rebellion, and if they deny something later. Indeed, history goes in a spiral and it looks like Ukraine has approached either to the 17th year, or to the 17th century.
  37. kibalnikov
    kibalnikov 22 February 2014 09: 53
    +3
    I was born in Lviv. All my relatives stayed there. Then he lived in Kyrgyzstan. Today I work at Moscow State University. M.V. Lomonosov. Oleg Lisovsky, thank you. You put into words what I was thinking. IMHO you need to make such an open letter. Let his people sign it.
  38. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 22 February 2014 09: 55
    +3
    An example of the development of the situation in Ukraine, not mine, is taken on the Internet, but it is very logical:
    In one day

    Peaceful demonstrators will begin to massively search for detainees in pre-trial detention centers, prisons, district administrations and police stations. Along the way, district administrations and departments can be defeated. Persons detained for various criminal offenses will scatter from there.

    Police dormitories, where the Berkut families are also located, will be attempted to storm: to "punish the perpetrators of beating children on the Maidan." "Golden Eagle", protecting their loved ones, will begin to break out of Kiev, regardless of any victims. Their only escape route is either east or south.

    "Peaceful demonstrators" are sent to Mezhigorye, Konchu-Zaspu and other "rich quarters". Provocateurs and rioters stand out from their midst, who within the shortest time will rob and burn more or less beautiful houses and structures.

    Employees of district police departments either barricade themselves in their premises or go home to protect families. Some of the bosses will say that "the police are with the people." A new hybrid of law enforcement agencies will be invented: mixed patrols from militiamen and self-defenders who passed to the revolutionaries from the Maidan.

    The Verkhovna Rada in its current composition, where the majority are deputies from the Party of Regions and Communists, is declared illegitimate and dissolved.

    The revolutionaries pompously celebrate victory and begin to share power. At the head of the country, ministries, departments, regional, city and district authorities are the most vocal revolutionaries.
    1. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 22 February 2014 09: 57
      +4
      A week later

      The newly created units of the "people's militia" will not be enough for a country in which there have been almost 1,5 million people previously convicted. Some of them, with other people with criminal and predatory tendencies, will begin to smash shopping stores, then - “richer” apartments. The first to be attacked by the gopniks are large shopping centers with clothes and jewelry.

      In cities and villages, a massive "witch hunt" begins: former police officers, prosecutors, judges, "regionals", "bribe takers" and others. "Blood flows from" supporters of the Yanukovych regime "

      Mass attacks on pawnshops and banks begin, in which information about credit debtors has accumulated. The banking system will be paralyzed. Commercial banks massively withdraw their financial assets abroad.

      The hryvnia exchange rate collapsed. The dollar is sold first for 10, then for 15, then for 20 hryvnia. Revolutionaries include a printing press, but this further accelerates the devaluation of the national currency.

      The Parliament of Crimea categorically refuses to recognize the new revolutionary authorities. Self-defense units begin to form on the peninsula. Russia declares that it will not allow a repetition of the Ossetian scenario, and will apply preventive measures: the marines, airborne forces and the navy will be put on full alert.

      In Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhya and other southern and eastern regions, people are massively protesting that the Maydanians violated their right to free choice. Voting for the Party of Regions, they will declare that they will consider only representatives of this party to be the legitimate authority. Following this, the heads and regional councils of these regions will refuse to recognize the new Kiev government.

      Ukraine is split into two parts. The "Front" will be held in the "controversial" areas: Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson, Kirovograd, Dnipropetrovsk and Sumy.

      The revolutionary rulers are trying to organize a peaceful life in the country, but they lack money and sensible personnel workers - executors. The economy, industry, social sphere and other vital sectors of the country are being destroyed.
      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 22 February 2014 10: 00
        +4
        In a month

        European politicians continue to welcome the revolution. But they, under all plausible pretexts, are dragging out the solution to the question of providing Ukraine with the necessary loans. At the same time, the International Monetary Fund, regardless of anything, requires Ukraine to pay billions of dollars in debt.

        Russia refuses to provide Ukraine with the promised Putin Yakukovich loans and to make further concessions on the issue of low gas prices. Gas is again expensive.

        The revolutionary government is blackmailing the Kremlin, claiming to block oil and gas pipes from Russia to Europe. Putin claims that he will block these pipes, because does not want to have anything to do with such politicians.

        China refuses to provide Ukraine with the previously promised loans and funds to Yanukovych, since it is not going to invest in a country with an unstable political situation. In addition, the main goal of the Chinese is the construction of a port in the Crimea, and the peninsula government refused to cooperate with the revolutionaries.

        Manufacturers of processed foods, confectionery, meat, dairy and frozen products curtail production so as not to incur financial losses. The production of medicines, hygiene items, essentials, etc. is also halted.

        In grocery stores, prices are rising sharply, but they cannot keep up with the exchange rate. The stores still have bread, canned goods, cereals and pasta.

        The budget of Ukraine "unexpectedly" runs out of money. The payment of salaries for: doctors, teachers, firefighters, cultural workers, the social sphere, etc. is being phased out. Budget payments to pensioners, disabled people, and large families are stopped.

        Private enterprises, for the most part, also close as they lose customers. Millions of people across the country are jobless.

        Public sector employees and employees of private enterprises are running out of money en masse.

        People stop paying receipts for rent, electricity, water supply, etc. Employees of power plants and housing and communal services refuse to perform their functions for free.

        Bazaars bloom again. Potatoes are becoming a luxury item, and meat is “only for the rich.” Trade is gradually moving from hryvnia to foreign currency.

        Revolutionary armed units are being introduced at power plants and water supply facilities. Electricity begins to be supplied to homes only at certain hours. Hot water and heating are turned off. Residents of apartment buildings are invited to take out garbage to city landfills on their own.

        In "front-line" areas, military clashes begin between supporters and opponents of the new government.

        The leaders of the revolution are fighting with each other, none of them wants to take responsibility, and each puts the blame for the crisis on the other
        1. Roman 1977
          Roman 1977 22 February 2014 10: 02
          +5
          In a few more months

          All regions of the country are swept by a wave of robberies, violence and killings.

          The stores are running out of canned food and cereals. Bread is issued only on cards.

          The outflow of urban residents to villages begins.

          People massively take to the streets demanding the resignation of the revolutionary authorities.

          Yesterday's revolution heroes from self-defense units, thrown to pacify the hunger riots, instantly become punishers, fascists and murderers.

          In the European Union, UN and Russia, the issue of providing humanitarian and food assistance to the population, the introduction of peacekeepers into Ukraine is being discussed.

          Military units from Russia and NATO countries are beginning to stay in Ukraine.

          Ukraine is finally deprived of the attributes of independence: national currency, border and customs services, the armed forces, as well as gold and foreign exchange reserves.

          The country is beginning to be ruled by "international experts."

          I don’t know about you, but for me it’s a very realistic scenario for further events ...
          1. Borus017
            Borus017 22 February 2014 12: 23
            0
            Hold your finger in a fist so that it does not come true.
            1. internatio
              internatio 23 February 2014 03: 04
              0
              I read this forecast. Almost 100% coincides with our terrible reality. Already the punishers dream of going to Crimea "on safari". And such services have already been prepared for them. But the Russians don't give up, they don't want to be a game! Both Greeks and Armenians, and ... 10 more diasporas.
          2. Al_lexx
            Al_lexx 22 February 2014 18: 49
            0
            It is very similar, since this is the result of any such revolution. True, this
            Yesterday's revolution heroes from self-defense units, thrown to pacify the hunger riots, instantly become punishers, fascists and murderers.
            will happen, not in a few months, but in a couple of weeks, if they continue to chew snot. I'm not talking about hunger riots, but about punishers, fascists and murderers.
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      3. Trofimov Andrey
        Trofimov Andrey 22 February 2014 10: 51
        0
        Walk the Field, Makhno, carts ...
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  39. Sigismund
    Sigismund 22 February 2014 10: 00
    +8
    It really hurts. Yes, Yanukovych is a traitor, but he is one of the last in this chain: Kravchuk, Kuchma, especially Yushchenko, Tymoshenko, etc. .I'm an ethnic Ukrainian, born in Ukraine, all my life in Russia, I confirm, it hurts me. It hurts for the Ukrainian "traitors". It hurts for most of the Ukrainian population, deceived and deceived by Westerners, poor and scalded. It hurts me for the weakness of Russia, which is unable to resolve the issue cardinally. Thank you for the weakness, for the frankness. Ukraine, and probably us, will not have the best times.
  40. Mhpv
    Mhpv 22 February 2014 10: 27
    +2
    SBU is a mediocrity service (talkers or b .... th it.d.) of Ukraine.
    I could not cope with the radicals, I managed to do it completely and now threatens the southern and southeastern regions to stop extremism. It's a disgrace to give this service to the radicals, let them teach them to love their homeland.
    Selling mongrel and underpants and not the SBU.
  41. Magadan
    Magadan 22 February 2014 10: 28
    +3
    I read the news - what to expect. In the most violent form they warn the Deputies of the East and not think about secession. They call them bastards, separatists, etc. They advise them to go look at Dagestan .... Well, in Chechnya, it was not okay with us either, then what? And what does Dagestan have to do with it?
    In short, the Galician loafers-rogues began to bustle about! They were afraid that the East would stop feeding them!
  42. Platov
    Platov 22 February 2014 10: 30
    0
    The outskirts did not exist as a separate state in world history. Except for a few temporary formations in different territories of the current outskirts. While the neighbors were distracted for a couple of years by more important matters. The Ukrainians already had a genetic instinct of Pavlov’s dog. On a long whip and a thick carrot. Without valuable indications from above, the state collapsed and became impoverished, on the earth which I stick to shove, I will grow a tree. Only one thing can be said to the southeast, with the assertion, my hut from the edge was driven into our own trap. And we need you as a dog’s fifth leg with its Bandera, whom you cherished and raised for so long. It’s dumb to deal with you, without a pointer, you’ll just get used to dragging and dropping everything down the drain.
  43. Mhpv
    Mhpv 22 February 2014 10: 34
    +1
    And the last one. There, on the Maidan, shouts of “Glory to Ukraine!” Are often heard

    Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes is the same cry as ALLAHU AKBAR, only in Ukrainian.
    Played out in Russophobia in Ukraine, got your Caucasus in the back.
    This is an example to all the former republics of what the game of Russophobia will lead to, they will cut you from the inside under the same cries, hiding behind hatred for the Russians
  44. wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 22 February 2014 10: 35
    0
    Fifty years ago, in such a situation, no one would have been surprised if Russia, Poland, Romania and the rest of the neighbors simply sent troops, trying to tear the remnants of the country to shreds
    interestingly, 50 years ago, i.e. 1964 - Poland and Romania or another will try to tear off a piece of Soviet Ukraine? it seems to me that such a proposal to the rulers of any country could have dreamed only in a nightmare, after which anyone would jump up in sweat with a cry "Holy, holy" and would recognize it as a devilish instigation. but for Russia, i.e. RSFSR it would be and nafig not needed, tk. were in a single country, the USSR. in this part I do not agree with the author. and in another, I must regretfully agree, everything is possible, a struggle between the West and the East will begin, and the West will have the power resource, the ability to change the governors and chiefs of the Internal Affairs Directorate and the Security Service of Ukraine of the regions of the East of Ukraine, the East industry will begin to "derail" with an even greater speed than with Yanyke, after all, three people who wanted to rule immediately made their way to the top. those Ukrainians who thought that they were fighting corruption by throwing Molotov cocktails at the police may see corruption many times greater than the current one
  45. ajhevxfyby
    ajhevxfyby 22 February 2014 10: 36
    0
    Or maybe this is the beginning of a NEW UKRAINE, a separate part of it, isolated from all sewage in the form of outright Nazis and their supporters?
  46. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 22 February 2014 10: 42
    +2
    For a long time I did not speak out about the events in Ukraine. Not that it didn’t concern me at all, but I already got rid of the "imperial disease" long ago in the 90s, when I really had to survive or die of hunger. Well, that's not the point. It seems to me that many on the forum, for quite understandable feelings for the brotherly people, do not see the essence of what is happening. It seems to many here that there is a type of war going on between the "broad" Ukrainians, Bendera, "Zapadentsev" and others, led by special agents from the West, a war against other Ukrainians who have sympathy for Russia. This is only true at first glance. In fact, the demonstrations there go against the path of the country's development according to the "Russian" scenario, that is, according to the scenario when an untouchable "tsar" is in power with a handful of entourage, when laws are passed that are beneficial not to the entire people, but only to the rich, close to the "tsar. "and so on. against the all-consuming corruption and lawlessness of the authorities, against the weakness of the government, which does not know how, and does not want to manage the economy, etc. That is, the protesters want" Europe "at home: management by the" European Union "- yes, in many respects, tough, but all the same management, and most importantly, clear management according to the laws, and not "according to concepts" as it is now, the fight against corruption with the help of already created "European institutions", control by the European Union, European Commissioners over all branches of government, the creation of an integrated (and not "pocket "as now) into the European financial economy of the banking system, operating according to clear and uniform rules, the creation of a European system of licensing and patenting instead of the current system" on call ", replacement of "wooden" currency with "hard" one, for visa-free travel to the EU countries, etc. Not so little. Yes, you will have to be stingy, sacrifice, but this is not as scary as it seems at first glance, no matter what they say, but for example, the Baltic countries and the former satellites of the USSR, live in a similar system and something, I do not see anyone willing from there log off. Likewise, ethnic Russians are my friends who live in the Baltic countries, although they complain about various difficulties and oppression, they never want to leave for permanent residence in Russia. Guess why.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 22 February 2014 11: 23
      0
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Guess why.

      Well, it is understandable why, the State Department propaganda works.
      1. tupolev-95
        tupolev-95 22 February 2014 11: 59
        0
        People have lived there all their lives - there is no reason to change something while living tolerably. The level of life in Russia leaves much to be desired for a better and normal program to help compatriots. But something I don’t see a crowd of Russians at foreign embassies in line for citizenship yes and propaganda certainly works — what nonsense you can’t hear about Russia.
    2. tupolev-95
      tupolev-95 22 February 2014 11: 46
      +1
      Russia does not impose the "Russian path" of development on anyone, and everything that happens in Ukraine has sprung up on Ukrainian yeast, and for some reason I have not seen delegations from Moscow to Kiev, but from the EU and the US, almost every day. How the EU manages the economy, we have all seen about Greece and about "visa-free travel to the EU countries, etc." do not fill in, or, like stupid people from the Maidan, do not know what is in the agreement? The essence of what is happening is extremely simple - old woman Europe needs a sales market to amend its finances, and the United States carries "democracy knee-deep in blood" all over the world, and what will happen to the Ukrainians, they don't care. "Yes, they will have to be stingy, sacrifice, but it's not so scary" - tell this to the people in the Balkans. And the Arabs will cure you of the French "imperial disease".
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 22 February 2014 13: 13
        +1
        This is how you think that "does not impose." For some reason, the Ukrainians have a different opinion, they obviously remember the stories with "Naftogaz", "Euro prices", "transit", etc. But, of course, Russia knows better. And if the European Union really wants to make Ukraine even more "poverty-stricken" and, like, create a sales market there, sell its products there, then doesn't it seem silly to organize a “sales market” in a poor country where the population's ability to pay is negligible and who will be there to buy high-tech products from the European Union, if, firstly, there is no money for it, and secondly: there will be no need for this high-tech product as the European Union, like (as everyone here writes) will close "all enterprises"? In poor countries, cheap semi-handicraft products of "shadow workers" or products from the "people's republic" are in use. It turns out that poor Ukraine is beneficial primarily as a market for cheap products from China, not the European Union. Based on your train of thought (about sales markets), we can assume that the "Maidan" "muddied" the Chinese! How do you like this idea, huh? Haha.
        1. tupolev-95
          tupolev-95 22 February 2014 14: 48
          0
          In general, it is perfectly visible from Europe - the impudent Russian faces do not want to give gas to poor Ukraine for nothing! But how dare they! Yes, in general, the subsoil of Russia is a common human property, it is high time to take it away and divide it! Each new leader of Ukraine tried to conclude an agreement on gas supplies in order to to have your own percentage from it is just a business. The final price was formed not by Gazprom, but by the Ukrainian side, the same Naftogaz. And, finally, if you are not satisfied with the price, do not buy. Regarding the sales market, do not pretend to be worse than it is. a country with a population of 50 million is not a sickly sales market. Regarding enterprises, what about the Hungarian industry, for example? And where are the people bothering about the fact that the enterprises were closed and there is no work? Yes, not - it's all the tyrant Putin and "Russian way. "Ha ha.
    3. ultra
      ultra 22 February 2014 13: 22
      0
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      but they never want to go to permanent residence in Russia. Guess why.

      I also didn’t see a lot (at all) of those who wanted to go to permanent residence in the Baltic states, well, if I only bought a house or apartment on the Riga seaside (although I personally prefer the warmer seas) to relax, it’s painful and expensive on the coast ! laughing
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 22 February 2014 13: 31
        +1
        Quote: ultra
        I also didn’t see many (at all) who wanted to go to the Baltic for permanent residence,

        and then you answer yourself:
        Quote: ultra
        if only to buy a house or apartment on the Riga seaside

        wink
  47. designer_59
    designer_59 22 February 2014 10: 43
    +11
    Tyagnibok, Yarush - Nazis, criminals, military component of the coup.
    Yatsenyuk, Klitschko - ordinary pro-Western politicians, human shields, legal cover for a coup.
    But the main component of the Ukrainian tragedy is TROYAN, Viktor Yanukovych, who penetrated the very top of state power. Yanukovych is a coward, a traitor and an enemy of his people.
    Yanukovych betrayed everyone. Your people, your country, your allies. Ukraine and Russia. Ukrainians and Russians. "Golden eagle" and the army. Faith and the Church. Police and security.
  48. loginovich
    loginovich 22 February 2014 10: 49
    +1
    As for me, Ukraine lost its independence in the year 1996 when the last nuclear weapons were withdrawn from its territory. Since then, Ukraine has been controlled from anywhere but not from Kiev.
  49. sinukvl
    sinukvl 22 February 2014 10: 51
    +1
    The West played out by flirting with the Nazis. It began to dawn that their "holy trinity" did not solve anything. They were sent yesterday on the Maidan by the Benderaites in the best traditions of the Bolsheviks. Like those at 17 "" The meeting is closed. The guard is tired. "So these are now. In general, the orange citizens pissed away your" Vilna Ukraine "
  50. IOwTZ
    IOwTZ 22 February 2014 10: 52
    +3
    GDP played along with the West. How beautiful everything is going, in words one thing, but in deeds - Ukraine no longer exists. And the Olympics came in very handy - while we were having fun and watching foreign citizens perform under the flags of Russia - they were doing their "job".