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The militants have no choice, except for the war in Ukraine - any power will crush them

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These are my personal observations, with all the ensuing consequences.


So, acting forces. The first is the people of Ukraine, who strongly dislike the power that has taken shape in 25 years, which, with its theft and complete lack of responsibility, brought the country to the handle. At the same time, the political views of the people have a fairly wide spectrum, from the ultranationalist - in the west, to the frankly pro-Russian - in the east and south. But in dislike of the “regime” almost everyone is united. The main weakness of this force is the complete absence of any institutionalization. Can only express a naked protest.



The strength of the second - the Ukrainian elite. It is divided into several groups, but its main general characteristics are a categorical denial of responsibility to society, a focus on the European Union and a fear of the monopoly of one force. As soon as someone from the elite (“oligarchs”) gets too strong, all the others unite against him. The apparent bias in the “Zapadnichestvo” with the fascist-Galician bias is a consequence of the traction in the EU, since the alternative direction to Russia causes horror of the Ukrainian elite (“They will take everything away!”). As a result, there is a clear bias in the country to the ideology that was initially supported by a rather insignificant part of the country. In economic terms, it has remained extremely small, but two decades of propaganda have raised a new generation, which is quite loyal to these ideas.

The third force is external. This is, first of all, the US Embassy and the NGOs headed by it, including those who are training militants. It is guided by the main rule: anything, just do not allow the rapprochement of Ukraine and Russia. There is a serious influence group in Poland, its main task is to gradually prepare a return of that part of Ukraine, which in the Middle Ages was occupied by this country, under its control. The role of other EU countries and Brussels is generally much smaller, and usually they are adjacent to Poland or the United States.

Important note: the influence of Russia on the events in Ukraine is minimal, it is institutionally almost zero.

Next is my vision of the situation. The current "Maidan" began on the initiative of two forces. The first was the people from whom they took away the last hope for a dramatic improvement in life, for joining the EU. True, in a few days it became clear that this was not an introduction, that the contract was bonded, that it was impossible to sign it, and this greatly weakened the activity of the people (that is, not engaged by other forces of its part). Nevertheless, it was originally ordinary people who came to the “Maidan”. But the “oligarchs” provoked them, and that’s all. Yanukovych hoped that he would use “Maidan” against Putin’s pressure (which is a good commercial negotiator, and Ukraine urgently needed money, which, by the way, it partially received). Other oligarchs - that they will be able to weaken Yanukovych, who began to monopolize power in the country. It is for this reason that at the first stage, Tymoshenko was mentioned, who then completely dropped out of the game.

At this stage, the active parties (oligarchs and Yanukovych) were ready to negotiate, and Yanukovych had some trump cards (money from Putin, willingness to let go of Tymoshenko, funding for militants in Galicia, the possibility of continuing negotiations with the EU), and the oligarchs had others (US support and EU, the activity of the people, the activity of nationalists, and so on). I suspect that they almost reached an agreement (this is evident from the fact that at a critical moment, when there were a lot of people on the Maidan, the opposition refused to take power), but then the Americans said their word. They threw into the battle the militants who had been trained for many years (with the consent, by the way, of Yanukovych).

The question is why? It seems to me that this is due to the arrangements of Yanukovych in Beijing. The task before the United States got up - to remove it at any cost. But at that moment, representatives of the EU intervened, who fear the collapse of Ukraine and the civil war (they will soon have it too, and they don’t want to see a bad example) and began to demand peaceful negotiations. At the same time, the oligarchs and opposition leaders (Yatsenyuk, Klitschko) were absolutely not going to fight to the end, they were fully prepared to stop under the conditions of restricting Yanukovych’s power (so that he would not exterminate them in a commercial sense) until new elections. And before the 16 number, the amnesty law, everything was relatively quiet, backstage talks were being held.

But then two things happened. The first is the publication of the conversation by Nuland, who sharply weakened support by the European Union (Germany, first of all) for US actions. Again, the latter wanted to disavow decisions on China or, ideally, remove Yanukovych, and the EU is not at all so brutal. The second is the entry into force of the amnesty law, under which the militants did not fall. In addition, almost all of them were “lit up,” and the agreements between oligarchs, opposition leaders and Yanukovich did not leave room for them on this “celebration of life”.

There is another subtlety. They were prepared under the same scenario as the militants in Libya, Syria, Egypt ... That is, like cannon fodder, as a consumable, for replacement. If it does not come out in Syria, we will go to Egypt or Afghanistan ... The period of their life is months, not years. But Ukrainian nationalists do not want to die, they want power and a full life. They understand that if they do not leave Ukraine (and where? To Syria?), Here they will get their power, and any power, no matter who sits there in the presidential palace. They have no other chance but to take power.

There is another subtlety. No one except the east and south of Ukraine, who are tired of the dictatorship of Galicia (and redistribution in its favor of the budget), do not want federalization or disintegration of Ukraine. The EU does not need this, the oligarchs do not need this, the Westerners do not need it (who will feed them). The latter, in their moderate form, are even ready to join the Customs Union, but only all of Ukraine and on condition that they will control Kiev. But now the militants (and the youth supporting them) are beginning to like the disintegration scenario more and more. Because in their Galicia they will be in relative safety.

Note that I hardly mention the people in the last paragraph. This is understandable - he understands more and more that he has become the object of manipulation and any of his activities are used by some oligarchs against others. In other words, the activity of the people leads to the fact that the system remains the same, only individual actors change. The people, naturally, do not like it - and its activity gradually decreases.

As a result, today the situation is as follows. Militants will fight to the end - and they are ready to ignite a civil war that will ruin the country. They will not compromise - no one will talk to them, they have no other chance to survive. At the same time, the level of their demagogy, with which they will again engage people in a clash, will only increase. Most likely, it will affect a part of young people - to her distress. This activity is not very convenient for the United States (they have enough hot spots on the world map without it), the EU is absolutely not happy with it, and the Ukrainian oligarchs are afraid of it. The opposition leaders look extremely pale - they cannot influence these characters in any way, they are considered traitors, and not without reason. By the way, atrocities against prisoners are a consequence of the objective situation, since the leaders of the militants cannot agree with anyone, they must bind themselves by mutual responsibility, through blood. A pretty typical situation.

If they are dispersed in Kiev, they have enough strength and caches with weaponsto support the Bandera partisan throughout Ukraine for many years. And, I repeat, it is impossible to stop them, they don’t have to go back, in a more or less peaceful situation all power will just kill them all. Some of them will be able to “hide” in “hot spots”, some will be able to sell themselves to the authorities, but as a single force they are doomed in conditions of peace. The only thing they can agree on is the creation of a separate state, a conditional “Galicia”, in which they will be power.

It seems to me that all their terror will now be aimed at forcing all the political forces of Ukraine to agree to this scenario. Since they themselves cannot voice it, not being a legal political force in Ukraine and not supported by the main players in the political field of the country, they can only create unbearable conditions for everyone else until their wishes are fulfilled. They will not be able to capture the whole country, the forces are too little, but they can try to snatch a piece a little larger than Galicia itself.

As their war becomes more and more partisan, the support of the people will not be as principled for them as it is now, when you need to make a fire, but since the standard of living of the population will fall, they will have some kind of support sufficient for guerrilla war. And from the point of view of this analysis, the future of Ukraine seems to me rather sad. And God forbid that I was wrong.
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  1. Canep
    Canep 22 February 2014 11: 14
    +25
    The genie of revolution has escaped from the bottle, they cannot be driven back to their homes. The militants know that there is blood on their hands, robberies, and hostage-taking. If the Maidan calms down, then any government, even Yanukovych, even Tyagnibok will decide to eliminate the force that can undermine the government. Right-wing leaders must either get guarantees (positions in the new government) or be destroyed. For "civilized Europe," the fascists are not handshakeable and their representation in the government is unlikely. There is only one thing left - to fight until the leaders of the right sector come to power.
    At the same time, the southeast is not idle. From day to day, a message is expected from there on the withdrawal of regions from the unitary state of Ukraine (they will propose a federation). And in the case of the Nazis coming to power and the secession from Ukraine.
    But in the economy there is only one prospect - default.
    In general, we are waiting for the development of events.
    1. major071
      major071 22 February 2014 11: 23
      +27
      First, to feed such a force, and then try to hinder it - this requires the strength of the whole state and a strong government with the desire to do it. With the current mess, no one can do it. Therefore, they will continue to sow death and destruction.
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 22 February 2014 13: 38
        +2
        Militants will fight and destroy those who are objectionable under any authority. And while the official Ukrainian authorities only supported them.
      2. varov14
        varov14 22 February 2014 14: 18
        0
        "some - will be able to sell themselves to the authorities, but as a single force" --- This power was sold to them, on TV they are already showing a boom in Kharkov, shitty analysts, always with a finger in ...
    2. Salamander
      Salamander 22 February 2014 11: 24
      +10
      And so far, only Berkut and pro-government activists from Eastern Ukraine can do this! And ONLY FORCE - the maydanutye do not understand another language! I have already uploaded this video - but this is a practical example of how all Ukrainians who are not indifferent to the fate of their Motherland should act! In the video, pay attention, the fight was started at 1:32 by a provocateur from the Maydauns (I can be confused, but in my opinion, it's still him):

      1. Salamander
        Salamander 22 February 2014 11: 37
        +5
        The video is old, it just touches the opinion of the maydanuts about the dispersal of demonstrations ("they beat the children" !!!) and a happy European future - against the background of current events:

        1. Sandov
          Sandov 22 February 2014 23: 40
          +1
          Quote: Salamander
          just touches the opinion of the maydanutyh about the dispersal of demonstrations ("they beat the children" !!!) and a happy European future - against the background of current events:

          Either stupefied from a vodka, or bought with a fool.
          1. Salamander
            Salamander 23 February 2014 23: 36
            0
            They sincerely believe in it ... yes
      2. DPN
        DPN 22 February 2014 12: 57
        +9
        That’s how the USSR was emptied in Moscow in 93, it was too lazy to go out, it was easier to watch from the balcony. And then the miners were shown all summer who were wearing helmets and got what the hell, except for some.
        The government multiplies students but does not give them the opportunity to make good living later, hence the support of various NGOs that hang noodles on their ears, like I graduated from college, and they offer the job of a janitor, for which I asked, it means one way to the Maidan, for a bright democracy .
        1. kenig1
          kenig1 23 February 2014 08: 44
          +1
          in 1993, the USSR was gone, take off.
      3. serega53
        serega53 22 February 2014 16: 40
        0
        EVEN THE JACKETS ARE ALMOST THE SAME AND A HELMET 1 IN 1 CLEAR EVERYTHING
    3. alex13-61
      alex13-61 22 February 2014 11: 29
      +1
      Quote: Canep
      At the same time, the southeast is not idle. From day to day, a message is expected from there on the withdrawal of regions from the unitary state of Ukraine. And in the case of the Nazis coming to power and the secession from Ukraine.

      Today will be a congress in Kharkov.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 February 2014 11: 35
        +6
        Quote: alex13-61
        Today will be a congress in Kharkov.

        Without the traitor Yanukovych hi
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 22 February 2014 14: 01
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Without the traitor Yanukovych

          Alexander! Not sure! On the one hand there is a message ...
          The plane of the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych did not land at the Kharkiv airport. This was reported on February 22 in the reference service of the Kharkiv air harbor. "The presidential plane did not land here," said an airport spokesman. Earlier, one of the officials of the US State Department reported that the President of Ukraine on Friday left Kiev for Kharkov. According to an official who wished to remain anonymous, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Leonid Kozhara told Washington this in a telephone conversation. According to the official, Kozhara said that Yanukovych would take part in "some kind of meeting" in Kharkov. (Maybe they lied at the airport? What should they report to reporters?)
          Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-139450.html
          xxx
          And on the other -
          The president plans to resign. But before that he will turn to Russia for military assistance
          President Viktor Yanukovych is currently in Kharkov, where he is meeting with deputies of the Party of Regions, an informed source from the circle of the head of state said.
          According to the source, the head of the AP Andrey Klyuyev, his first deputy Andrei Portnov and former Prime Minister Mykola Azarov are taking part in the meeting. They are discussing the option of forming a government in the South-East and Crimea, as well as appealing to President Vladimir Putin with a request to guarantee the security of the eastern regions of the country and Crimea from occupation by ultra-radical fascists. The source emphasized that Yanukovych is ready to resign and transfer his powers to the new leader of the South-East of the country.
          http://www.versii.com/news/297932/
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 22 February 2014 14: 11
            +3
            Quote: Egoza
            Our presidential board did not land, "

            Elena, his plane landed in the UAE.
            Quote: Egoza
            And on the other -
            The president plans to resign. But before that he will turn to Russia for military assistance

            This is nonsense, Russia will not render him any military assistance or political assistance. He was given a chance, but he shamed it.
            Quote: Egoza
            The option of forming a government of the South-East and Crimea, as well as an appeal to President Vladimir Putin with a request to guarantee the security of the eastern regions of the country and Crimea are being discussed

            It is possible, but without Yanukovych. By the way, where is his son an oligarch now, we completely forgot about him.
            1. copper49
              copper49 22 February 2014 14: 35
              +7
              Now there is no power in Ukraine. Parliament is paralyzed - most of its composition, deputies from the Party of Regions, have been declared the game of Bandera, there is no president and speaker, the police and the army are neutralized. There is a real Makhnovshchina in Kiev. If now in Kharkiv they announce the creation of an independent state of the South-East, create a provisional government, a provisional parliament from the faithful existing deputies, create a new Central Bank to operate their finances, and even "sit down" on gas pipes, then there will be no one to prevent this. The bandits cannot raise an army to seize this new state by themselves, they will no longer be financed (simply out of fear). And there are military forces and police in these regions too. Well, and then you can talk. About a new association, for example. On my own terms.
          2. infinite silence ...
            infinite silence ... 22 February 2014 14: 50
            +2
            Quote: Egoza
            The president plans to resign. But before that he will turn to Russia for military assistance
            President Viktor Yanukovych is currently in Kharkov, where he is meeting with deputies of the Party of Regions, an informed source from the circle of the head of state said.
            According to the source, the head of the AP Andrey Klyuyev, his first deputy Andrei Portnov and former Prime Minister Mykola Azarov are taking part in the meeting. They are discussing the option of forming a government in the South-East and Crimea, as well as appealing to President Vladimir Putin with a request to guarantee the security of the eastern regions of the country and Crimea from occupation by ultra-radical fascists. The source emphasized that Yanukovych is ready to resign and transfer his powers to the new leader of the Southeast of the country.


            Duck! Unfortunately. As much as we would not like it ... The live broadcast from Kharkov is in front of my eyes ... There is no talk of federalization yet, let alone separatism.
          3. uhjpysq1
            uhjpysq1 22 February 2014 15: 54
            0
            ) you need to look at the military commissariat
          4. Sandov
            Sandov 22 February 2014 23: 43
            0
            Quote: Egoza
            They are discussing the option of forming a government in the South-East and Crimea, as well as appealing to President Vladimir Putin with a request to guarantee the security of the eastern regions of the country and Crimea from occupation by ultra-radical fascists. The source emphasized that Yanukovych is ready to resign and transfer his powers to the new leader of the Southeast of the country.
            http://www.versii.com/news/297932/


            This is the last chance to save the Russians from the Bandera executioners. Golden eagle glory.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 22 February 2014 11: 46
        0
        Quote: alex13-61
        Today will be a congress in Kharkov.
        What time is it in Moscow? And will TV (Russian or Ukrainian) broadcast the meeting?
        After all, the event may become a turning point in the fate of Ukraine as a single structure and the state in general ...
        1. vlum
          vlum 22 February 2014 12: 19
          +1
          The time has come ... Or not. Something I'm confused about the time difference. Judging by the news

          The Verkhovna Rada should be from 10:00 local time. And without the previous speaker. Those. personally, the first persons in Ukraine do not exist today.

          The checkpoints of the Maidan fighters had an assignment (from whom? Who gave them to them?) To detain deputies of the Rada on the lists of the Party of Regions and the Communist Party of Ukraine.

          Beginning of the meeting in Kharkov at 12:00, probably local time. After a couple of hours infa will.
          1. Valter
            Valter 22 February 2014 15: 46
            +2
            Yanukovych at the congress no-dumped well and tries him.
        2. Valter
          Valter 22 February 2014 13: 18
          +2
          Corsair
          In Moscow at 14:00, but it is not clear whether the mayor of Kharkov, who posted his photo on the background of palm trees in an infragram, (in some kind of warm country), from a source working at the Kharkiv airport, local news learned that Yanukovych still landed in Kharkov at 00:05 (local time), but everything is foggy, the leadership of Mariupol refused to take part in this congress, the police (PPS) sided with the protesters.
          Tonight there was an infa that 17 buses with the right sector left for Kharkov, (of course they are armed), the purpose of breaking the congress.
          Infa has just passed that representatives of the southeast are still gathering in Kharkov. It is not known about Yanukovych.
          1. infinite silence ...
            infinite silence ... 22 February 2014 16: 04
            +2
            Participants in the procession of the Kharkov Euromaidan chant "Kharkov Kiev - together!" People gathered at a rally in support of the congress, in turn, shouting "Kharkov is a Russian city!" ... now about 30-40 thousand Maidan supporters have gathered at the Palace ...
            Several hundred people approached the Euromaidan supporters from the scene. Among them are people in sportswear with St. George ribbons (about 20 of them). They are chanting "Fascists!" Between supporters of Euromaidan and supporters of the congress lined up a police cordon.
            Mikhail Dobkin announced that the congress is over and its participants are sent to the street, where they will perform from the stage in front of Kharkiv residents.
        3. Valter
          Valter 22 February 2014 13: 51
          +4
          it seems Bender’s creature because of the passivity of the east, once again they will win and they will flood everything with blood
        4. Vladimir77
          Vladimir77 22 February 2014 15: 19
          0
          live broadcast "Kharkov. Congress of the" Ukrainian Front ". Live broadcast."

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFe01y626Jw
        5. infinite silence ...
          infinite silence ... 22 February 2014 15: 49
          +2
          The broadcast is jammed ... We watched it on Union TV ... I was promised to give a record of the entire congress ... I will share it.
          At this time in the Rada there are calls for the arrest of all those gathered in Kharkiv ... Otherwise, you cannot call it the "tolerant opinion of European educated" people. ... Sorry. But...
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 February 2014 11: 31
      +7
      People, here's the news for you, Yanukovych escaped along the way.
      11:13 (Moscow time) | Isle
      The board of Yanukovych landed in the United Arab Emirates
      A presidential plane landed at Fujairah International Airport, which is located in the United Arab Emirates .. http://news.mail.ru/inworld/ukraina/global/112/politics/170804
      27 /
      1. major071
        major071 22 February 2014 11: 37
        +14
        What a news! The end to the Arab Emirates, and there the Maidan will begin.
        1. major071
          major071 22 February 2014 11: 48
          +9
          Vityunya to the Emirates quickly ran away
          People betraying for lousy bucks
          And for that, he unleashed a bloody riot
          So that under the guise of punishment I eat ....
      2. askort154
        askort154 22 February 2014 12: 28
        0
        Alexander Romanov ... Yanukovych's board sat down in the United Arab Emirates ...

        How reliable is the source?
        I have been to Fujairah more than once, there is a US base nearby.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 February 2014 12: 42
          0
          Quote: askort154
          How reliable is the source?

          Follow the link, I don’t know. Anyway, no one in Ukraine knows where he is. In Kharkov, he is not.
          1. major071
            major071 22 February 2014 14: 36
            +5
            According to Vesti 24, a running line has passed that the adviser to the President of Ukraine claims that Yanukovych is in Kharkov. Maybe a duck? In order to divert attention.
        2. Canep
          Canep 22 February 2014 12: 44
          +2
          Quote: askort154
          How reliable is the source?

          Online aircraft tracking system. The plane with the call sign of the President of Ukraine landed in the emirates, this is a fact. Whether the president was on board is not known.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 22 February 2014 13: 02
            +2
            [B]
            Quote: Canep
            Whether the president was on board is not known.

            [b] [b] The residence of President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych “Mezhigorye” is practically not guarded, there is no one on its territory, according to journalists who arrived there. [/bhttp://news.mail.ru/inworld/ukraina/global/112/politics /

            17081075 /] [/ b] [/ b]
      3. Evgeniy-111
        Evgeniy-111 22 February 2014 13: 39
        +2
        The plane of Yanukovych landed without Yanukovych. He hangs around somewhere else ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 February 2014 14: 14
          +1
          Quote: Evgeniy-111
          The plane of Yanukovych landed without Yanukovych. He hangs around somewhere else ...

          It’s not a fact that Taino could hold talks with the UAE leadership and promise to transfer all his loot there. It’s cloudy to trust everyone.
      4. infinite silence ...
        infinite silence ... 22 February 2014 16: 22
        +2
        You know ... I, as a Ukrainian in the eastern region, have little interest in where Yanukovych is now. The fate of our part of Ukraine does not depend on this. It depends on the adoption of further measures, strong-willed decisions ... and, as you know, they no longer depend on Yanyk at all ...
    5. Civil
      Civil 22 February 2014 11: 58
      +7
      leppopolo: X ... they thought they were Europe, but it turned out they were Kyrgyzstan.

      Found the best comment on the forum! I can not quote.
    6. GrayL
      GrayL 22 February 2014 12: 12
      +2
      For "civilized Europe," the fascists are not handshakeable and their representation in the government is unlikely. - - - well, yes, well, yes ... they are not in Europe, Europe is civilized, cultural and honest, the people rule there ... everything will be simple, divide and rule ... the authorities will give everyone a little, as guarantees survival ... the east and south, as usual, crap and bend, they will also groan and endure ... the people are poor and afraid ... Russia is trying in vain ... we ourselves have been defeated for a long time, how many confirmations of this (government liberals , the dollar rules, the rich rule, our money is in the west) ... so a couple of people, BUT ONLY IN THE FRAMEWORK OF THE PERMITTED !!! rock the boat ... So something like that ...
    7. jjj
      jjj 22 February 2014 12: 20
      +4
      I am very much afraid that the development of events will follow the following scenario. Bandera will receive all key posts in the executive branch. And they, on a "legal" basis, will be able to establish fascist orders in the southern and eastern regions. They, on "legal" grounds, may demand the entry of "UN peacekeeping forces" (read NATO). By the way, Poland has mobilized military medicine, hospitals and personnel are in full readiness, medicines and dressings are stocked up. What is it for? Not for civilian casualties. It seems that the population of the south and east will not be able, and will not really want to resist the Banderites. And the very attempt to resist in this situation will be considered an anti-state act. For some reason, it seems that one should expect a "triumphal march of fascist power." But for how long. After all, again no one asks the people about anything
      1. the polar
        the polar 22 February 2014 13: 36
        +5
        Quote: jjj
        I am very much afraid that the development of events will follow the following scenario. Bandera will receive all key posts in the executive branch. And they, on a "legal" basis, will be able to establish fascist orders in the southern and eastern regions. They, on "legal" grounds, may demand the entry of "UN peacekeeping forces" (read NATO). By the way, Poland has mobilized military medicine, hospitals and personnel are in full readiness, medicines and dressings are stocked up. What is it for? Not for civilian casualties. It seems that the population of the south and east will not be able, and will not really want to resist the Banderites. And the very attempt to resist in this situation will be considered an anti-state act. For some reason, it seems that one should expect a "triumphal march of fascist power." But for how long. After all, again no one asks the people about anything

        Tomorrow the same Bandera seized power will have to pay a salary to ensure the supply of cities, i.e. to establish a peaceful life, and in their pocket (in the treasury) there is a louse on the lasso. The West will not feed them, they will have to gnaw at the monuments to Lenin that they threw. In the future, Ukraine has anarchy and chaos, lines for humanitarian crackers. Chaos in Ukraine is a defeat for Russia. Inevitable armed conflicts in border areas with Bandera hungry gangs, the influx of refugees, the loss of authority. Obama won the Olympics.
    8. user
      user 23 February 2014 10: 20
      +1
      Honestly, how many days I read what is happening in Ukraine (or in Ukraine) and I think everything, because almost everyone on the site studied the story not from Soros, but a normal story and that no one paid attention to the fact that history is repeating itself. Remember the Grand Duke Michael (this is the one in whose favor Nicholas II abdicated) walked with a red bow and advocated the overthrow of the autocracy, and the entire intelligentsia of that time squealed with delight over the tsar's abdication. At the same time, remember what happened next and who was behind it. The big game continues and no one is hiding it, therefore there will not be and cannot be a united and indivisible Ukraine, if anyone doubts, look who is playing in this territory today. I already wrote that no one needs Ukraine in its current state. Therefore, draw conclusions - "whoever has a wider face is right" or "whoever has more rights" is right. And Russia in the current situation will no longer play on the side of Ukraine. The goal of Russia is to return Little Russia, which had been torn away from it, and nothing more, and Poland will deal with Bandera, these are its rejected territories. And if Ukraine succeeds in preserving Kiev and several regions, it will be a great success for it. And all this "honest revolutionary-tuned part of the population" will be greatly disappointed with the results obtained.
      Read and study History, such as how the February Revolution happened. There it is directly and well written about what goals were pursued and who was behind it (please pay attention to no Bolsheviks there) and the main result is always the same "who feeds the girl and dances.
  2. ramsi
    ramsi 22 February 2014 11: 22
    +8
    the worst part is that we continue to concede, in the Big Game, almost already on our territory
    1. wax
      wax 22 February 2014 14: 55
      +6
      The counter-revolutionary coup of 1991 and the betrayal of the great empire of the USSR have not yet ended with the reformatting of the world. The transition to the most vile period of human history is coming to an end, when the printing dollar machine turns all human values ​​into commodities (a banknote with the corresponding number drawn) and buys everything. The media were the first to sell. The road is opening to the liquidation of entire states and the destruction of billions of "superfluous" people to the applause of those who eat from the luxurious table of 85 "super-citizens" who own a total capital equal to the capital of the poorest 3 billion (!) People. Returning to the path of civilizational development, as the liberals preach, Russia in the "Great Game" began to represent not a player, but a stake. You don't have to indulge yourself with illusions. Our oligarchs are nothing more than agents of Western economic influence. The means of production must be returned to the people, then capital will not flow to the West like a full-flowing river, feeding the inhuman dictate of monetary, and not domestic, capital.
  3. fktrcfylhn61
    fktrcfylhn61 22 February 2014 11: 23
    +6
    Gene escaped back in '91, all this time he was looking at what was happening around the world! And when I realized that they only have in the world, or want to have! And realizing that he is no longer a slave to the lamp, he went to the scam! Toli still will be oh oh oh! In short, the moral of this fable is such that Caudla the hares wets the lion! The most vivid example of the democratic development of society without brakes!
  4. Candy wrapper
    Candy wrapper 22 February 2014 11: 27
    +6
    I repeat: in my opinion, Bendera (the militants as described by Khazin) were not trained by the United States, they are a force in themselves (+ support from Poland). Therefore, the author has a contradiction in the article: he either says that the militants were trained and thrown into battle by the United States, then he declares that this does not suit the United States. And Galicia is already independent precisely thanks to the widest support of the population (which can also be evidence that the situation is not stupidly reduced to "training US militants", but much broader and deeper).
    1. Sandov
      Sandov 22 February 2014 23: 52
      0
      Quote: Fantik
      I repeat: in my opinion, Bendera (the militants as described by Khazin) were not trained by the United States, they are a force in themselves (+ support from Poland). Therefore, the author has a contradiction in the article: he either says that the militants were trained and thrown into battle by the United States, then he declares that this does not suit the United States. And Galicia is already independent precisely thanks to the widest support of the population (which can also be evidence that the situation is not stupidly reduced to "training US militants", but much broader and deeper).

      Gringo and geyropa took an active part in the destruction of the Slavs. Thanks to their efforts, Bandera slaughter people.
  5. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 22 February 2014 11: 29
    +6
    SS Galichina?)) These require the title of Hero of Ukraine for Maidan and a life-long pension, although they just need to give a life-long pension, I think
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 22 February 2014 17: 19
      +1
      Quote: jagdpanzer
      they just need to give a lifetime i think
      - why not a worthy "pension" for "worthy" deeds?
  6. mad
    mad 22 February 2014 11: 35
    +3
    And where does the "axis of evil" actually pass and where is its pole? Western countries led by star-haired. And what kind of ghouls are sitting in Western Europe, starting a war they are even more weakened in front of America, becoming an even more weak-willed colony. The world is rolling in a big ass (
    1. Ross
      Ross 22 February 2014 21: 01
      0
      And where does the "axis of evil" actually pass and where is its pole? Western countries led by star-haired. And what kind of ghouls are sitting in Western Europe, starting a war they are even more weakened in front of America, becoming an even more weak-willed colony. The world is rolling in a big ass (

      And everything is simple. Who watches the whole world, what structure has Snowden reported? Well, who does this structure work for? And where is Western Europe?
  7. wow
    wow 22 February 2014 11: 36
    +14
    No, Mikhail, the end of "Ukraine" is natural. Moreover, it is natural! The state based on total theft, total nonsense and total betrayal has come to the end of its miserable existence.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 22 February 2014 12: 50
      -8
      Quote: yo-mine
      Mikhail, the end of "Ukraine" is natural. Moreover, it is natural!
      Yes, there will be no war! No need to escalate passions, Ukrainians-Europeans, they have no blood feud, they will agree !!! That's it, but those who shot and didn’t shoot by order will be brought to justice !!!
      But the main thing in this mess is a chip under the name Tymoshenko. That's what she will do, that's the question. Now she’s going to split up)))) The Maidan and the political struggle field are just for her)))) Based on Putin’s statements about her He seems to support her.
      And this meeting in Kharkov is a meeting to show that we also have the opportunity to bargain about our further safety. Lost, so worthily accept your loss !!
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 22 February 2014 15: 34
        +1
        Quote: smersh70
        trouble-chip under the name Tymoshenko.

        Dear minusoviks, you’ll excuse me, but I’ve been right once again ---- Alexander Turchinov - Yulia Tymoshenko’s associate was elected the new speaker of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. 288 deputies voted for him. The live broadcast of the Saturday session of the Ukrainian parliament is provided by Espreso TV.
        Well, how.and this is just the beginning smile
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 22 February 2014 17: 13
          +2
          Quote: smersh70
          Yes, there will be no war!

          Yah! And why did they (heroes) pay? Think to plant in an armchair? No, this meat will have to fight as it can, i.e. with civilians.
        2. Penzyac
          Penzyac 22 February 2014 20: 15
          +1
          Are all 288 votes owned by the deputies? There are not so many deputies. In addition, Yanukovych has already announced all the decisions of the Rada, adopted since yesterday as unlawful as taken under armed pressure. By law, he remains the legitimate head of state since I didn’t sign anything. but the fact that he signed has already expired upon expiration. Therefore, the task of the southeast is to use its hopeless position.
      2. tupolev-95
        tupolev-95 22 February 2014 17: 08
        +4
        I didn’t expect such myopia from you. It didn’t lose, but simply scattered the party of Yanukovych. But this is only one side of the conflict, and there was nothing much to expect from them. And now the "revolutionaries" will start injecting themselves into the camps, the radicals will send three Teletubbies and no The agreements will not be respected. Their task is to take maximum power over the country, and if they do not succeed, then they already have power over the western regions and there they will begin to build a fascist state with all the consequences. The new government in this situation will not be able to control the country and can as much And whoever you want to prosecute, but who will carry out these sentences? A devoted Berkut? Bandera? A bunch of cowards and traitors from the Ministry of Internal Affairs from the western regions? Maybe an army that cannot be seen or heard at all? Maybe the Crimean Tatars? Everything is just beginning. Possibly short-term. calm to clarify the situation and regroup forces, but nothing more.
      3. Sandov
        Sandov 22 February 2014 23: 55
        0
        Quote: smersh70
        Yes, there will be no war! No need to escalate passions, Ukrainians-Europeans, they have no blood feud, they will agree !!! That's it, but those who shot and didn’t shoot by order will be brought to justice !!!

        Bandera will be cleaner Wahhabis, remember the Second World War. In addition to the killings, they are not capable of anything.
    2. the polar
      the polar 22 February 2014 16: 09
      +2
      Quote: yo-mine
      No, Mikhail, the end of "Ukraine" is natural. Moreover, it is natural! The state based on total theft, total nonsense and total betrayal has come to the end of its miserable existence.

      The foundation of today's Russia is the same. Therefore, looking at Ukraine, it is necessary to draw conclusions and look for a solution to the problem, while there is still time.
  8. loginovich
    loginovich 22 February 2014 11: 44
    +13
    During the night, 12 monuments to Lenin were demolished. Now the Orthodox churches will be taken up when the Orthodox churches will be sorted out, and "Don't jump that one."
    1. windjoker
      windjoker 22 February 2014 12: 00
      -18%
      You are a provocateur - the church took an active part in the peaceful settlement of the conflict: Orthodox, Catholic and other faiths. Do not escalate the situation.
      1. niki233
        niki233 22 February 2014 12: 11
        +4
        look at all the videos you find with the priests there are mummers! provocateurs on the Maidan
        1. windjoker
          windjoker 22 February 2014 12: 18
          0
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl0LhhqDuLI
      2. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 22 February 2014 13: 43
        +6
        Quote: windjoker
        the church took an active part in the peaceful resolution of the conflict: Orthodox, Catholic and

        Even in "peacetime" times, the "Ukrainian Orthodox Church" set an example of an armed conflict in Ukraine when it began to take over the "Russian Orthodox Churches". Even in Chernigov, where there are more Russians than Ukrainians, they stood up for the "Russian Orthodox Churches." There were no open clashes, but at night they set fire to the tents of activists protecting the churches from repartition. It was the "Ukrainian Orthodox Church" that set an example and an impetus for the seizure of power. And gangrene from the finger passes to the hand.
      3. Skif
        Skif 22 February 2014 13: 46
        +3
        You yourself are a provocateur, you don’t distinguish the Orthodox from Catholics, the only thing you need is that you catholicize the people, even Nevsky beat them, it will be necessary - we will continue the undertakings of the great ancestor
        1. windjoker
          windjoker 23 February 2014 00: 44
          0
          Kiev Military Hospital: the story of the priest
      4. windjoker
        windjoker 22 February 2014 14: 58
        +1
        I am Russian, I live in the southeast of Ukraine, my great-great-grandfather, the founder of Kabansk in Buryatia ... so, I can't look when they say black on white. Watch a video about the events, how the priests defended the Berkut from the lynching of the protesters, how they stood between the sides under bullets, how a hospital for the wounded was set up in the Mikhailovsky Cathedral ... Are you talking about the destruction of the churches of the Russian Orthodox Church? I feel sorry for those Russians who are led on provocations or "minus" the truth - they are zombified or people who refuse to accept the truth as it is ...
        1. Anper
          Anper 22 February 2014 15: 47
          +2
          Quote: windjoker
          in the Mikhailovsky Cathedral arranged a hospital

          But he belongs to the Ukrainian Patriarchate. By the way, none of the correspondents for the whole time of Maidan was ever admitted to the hospital. Everywhere they go directly to the intensive care unit with a camera in their face, but here they do not let me in.
        2. Sandov
          Sandov 22 February 2014 23: 59
          0
          Quote: windjoker
          And you are talking about the destruction of the churches of the Russian Orthodox Church? I feel sorry for those Russians who are led on provocations or "minus" the truth - they are zombified or people who refuse to accept the truth as it is ...

          Temples began to be razed before the Bandera coup. And the guys from Berkut were killed by a sniper.
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      6. stroporez
        stroporez 22 February 2014 18: 56
        +1
        Quote: windjoker
        the church took an active part in the peaceful settlement of the conflict: Orthodox, Catholic and other faiths.
        --- Especially the Uniates ....... so peace-loving -------- I could hardly restrain myself from Schaub in ... not to kiss
      7. Penzyac
        Penzyac 22 February 2014 20: 23
        +2
        A peaceful settlement with the Nazis is impossible, do not console yourself with illusions. Shame and disgrace to the people of Kiev, who, like gophers, hid in their minks and watched from the balconies as the Nazis were eager for power. The fate of the gophers is known when ferrets want to eat.
      8. windjoker
        windjoker 23 February 2014 00: 33
        0
        This is your rejection of the facts.
    2. Navy7981
      Navy7981 22 February 2014 12: 21
      +3
      Well, the fact that the monuments to Lenin are being demolished doesn’t bother me much, but I am convinced that one of the mines that exploded today was laid by him when Russian territories were transferred - Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, etc. Then there was a bastard bastard - Crimea. (Bandera’s people, on the contrary, should erect monuments to them, without fighting, without dying, got land, resources, etc.) Gallicia (or whatever it is right there) - transferred by Stalin, somehow this territory doesn’t bother me for a long time unless Iskanders need to be put there. Alas, now everything is possible and in these events the only ones to whom I sympathize are the Golden Eagles. Of those who did their duty they would be blamed for everything. Kowtow to them.
      The final destruction of the Slavic-Orthodox world, which never took place, is underway. For Westerners, any blood is water. For us, the blood of siblings. But who cares? And it's not about Ukraine. They put flags around us on all sides. And you are right the holiday of "democracy" will continue. As they say the show must go on!
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 23 February 2014 00: 03
        0
        Quote: Navy7981
        The final destruction of the Slavic-Orthodox world, which never took place, is underway. For Westerners, any blood is water. For us, the blood of siblings. But who cares? And it's not about Ukraine. They put flags around us on all sides. And you are right the holiday of "democracy" will continue. As they say the show must go on!

        Very honest and sound position. The West will not calm down until the horns remain from the Russians. From time immemorial they have been creating this massacre against the Slavs.
  9. ZU-23
    ZU-23 22 February 2014 11: 46
    0
    I also looked at the online broadcast of the maydaun on the pro-Western channel, because they are generally held there for specific sheep, they are not allowed to go further than the barricades and are constantly told that there are snipers shooting at all, that their Bandera men in Ukraine captured all the regionals, are dismissed and every 10 minutes Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes! that is, they really created such an illusion that they are heroes and the whole of Ukraine rests on them, now it’s asking for medals of heroes))).
  10. Refugee from Kazakhstan
    Refugee from Kazakhstan 22 February 2014 11: 52
    +1
    The first category, named by the author as "the people", is very ambiguous, which includes those who are not controlled and who do not want to understand anything except force, which consists of seekers of acute sensations, criminals and marauders. With the second, everything is clear they have billions of dollars in bank accounts on which the United States can directly or indirectly influence. The third category and its objectives are not fully presented. The task of the State Department is to shake the situation to a state of prolonged civil bloody war in order to send troops with the help of a UN resolution to force the parties to peace and stay at the borders of Russia. It is clear that it will be difficult to give birth to such a resolution without the veto of Russia and its allies, but the State Department has a maximum task. For the Pentagon, Ukraine is a sweet dream that can come true!
    1. Skif
      Skif 22 February 2014 13: 41
      0
      Why did you dig in there, refugee? Now you are happy for the Motherland from afar, you are making forecasts ... Better sign up for your army, visit countrymen, diplomas
      1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        Refugee from Kazakhstan 22 February 2014 16: 24
        0
        What did the blockhead learn letters? I didn’t fasten the flag, its moderators set it when the IP can’t be determined. My homeland is Kazakhstan, yours is a clogged toilet on a July day. In Ukraine: friends of fellow soldiers live in Kharkov and Sevastopol and generally pretend that you are not crap and go to bed quietly until your wife scolded! Clown!
  11. snake
    snake 22 February 2014 12: 01
    +3
    "The militants have no choice but the war in Ukraine - any power will crush them."
    Do you think the militants do not understand this?
    And if the fighters themselves become power?
    1. largus886
      largus886 22 February 2014 15: 03
      +2
      They will restore the capital Gulyai Pole and raise the Black flag of anarchy! Finish as well as Makhno.
  12. Dimented
    Dimented 22 February 2014 12: 01
    +4
    Yes, they are all doomed - not just militants. And the Yatsenyuk with the tractor workers, and certainly Yanukovych.
    It has long been proven: the revolution devours its children. Those who commit it have a direct relationship to it, very quickly leave the stage, and most often end up poorly.
    So in speed new faces will come who will not be "tainted" in anything, and everyone will be so "honest" and "fair". Or does someone think that if Tymoshenko is released and she even wins the elections, she can act independently? Yes, she will be constantly reminded who got her out of prison and what she owes to her "liberators".
    1. RND
      RND 22 February 2014 14: 14
      +1
      Quote: DIMented
      Yes, they are all doomed - not just militants. And the Yatsenyuk with the tractor workers, and certainly Yanukovych.
      It has long been proven: the revolution devours its children. Those who commit it have a direct relationship to it, very quickly leave the stage, and most often end up poorly.
      So in speed new faces will come who will not be "tainted" in anything, and everyone will be so "honest" and "fair". Or does someone think that if Tymoshenko is released and she even wins the elections, she can act independently? Yes, she will be constantly reminded who got her out of prison and what she owes to her "liberators".


      Lula is too pragmatic and ambitious to pay attention to these reminders. And if she wins the election, she will strangle too zealous radicals like mice, at the speed of a furious cat.
      The snake is still ...
  13. 120352
    120352 22 February 2014 12: 07
    +4
    Militants do not live long. This is just a consumable. Like ammo: fired - no more ammo. And there is no need for them to live long! They are not creators, but destroyers. And any country, state stands on creation, but not destruction. Who needs them if the state functions normally? So, either they will be destroyed locally, or they will flow to destroy in other lands (I think I even know where) and will be destroyed there. There is simply one categorical rule: the destructive is destroyed!
  14. Lesnik
    Lesnik 22 February 2014 12: 08
    0
    Thanks for the article +++++
  15. smoliackow
    smoliackow 22 February 2014 12: 09
    +1
    all Orthodox unite!
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    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 22 February 2014 13: 37
      +2
      Quote: smoliackow
      Orthodox unite!

      And if I'm a normal atheist, should I wait aside? laughing
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 22 February 2014 18: 15
        +1
        Quote: c1n7
        And if I'm a normal atheist,

        If an Orthodox atheist, then you have to unite, because there is a danger of being left alone with the enemies. In Great Patriotic War, my great-grandfather was dispossessed, but he fought as part of the Red Army. The main thing is the homeland.
  16. Skif
    Skif 22 February 2014 12: 11
    +11
    And you try to take AK in the east of Ukraine (where else can you get it), and declare that I am against this moronism. Yes, at the moment the cops will tie up, and they will solder more than one article (as a lawyer, I know this question), and put them in a freshnyak or a goat's house, and all the ardor of the fight against banders will go away, as it never happened ... Conclusion: under the current impotent government, law-abiding citizens They CANNOT defend themselves even, let alone go to "Antimaydan" ... And when an uncle from the "Maidan" bursts into the house (office, etc.), for any former zk or a youngster stoned, but with the same AK with army warehouse, if you are not Bruce Lee, then Khan ... This is how the east can defend itself, and you say ...
    1. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 22 February 2014 13: 52
      +1
      Quote: Skiff
      former zk

      You should know the history: "former zk" means "prisoner canalist", after "Belomorkanal" the meaning changed to "Prisoner of communoarmeets". For criminals in law and lawless people there is an old Russian word "Urka or Urkagan"
  17. bubla5
    bubla5 22 February 2014 12: 14
    0
    And the worse the nationalist regime is against the regime of tolerance, everywhere someone suffers
  18. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 22 February 2014 12: 17
    0
    Therefore, the "trinity and the same with them" will not stop, all of them must be crushed for the crimes committed against the people of Ukraine of the Law and the Constitution. All this, although in a slightly different interpretation is understood in the West, but "the trinity and others like them, though bastards, are still" their own bastards. " Just yet! Let's wait for what they say in Kharkov, it is obvious that only after that the Kremlin will have its say.
  19. buzer
    buzer 22 February 2014 12: 17
    0
    if Ukraine collapses, it is unlikely that the militants will be allowed to frolic in Western Ukraine, as well as in Kiev. "The revolution is devouring its children." In France, I remember they killed all the Jacobins, and under Stalin they killed all the old party revolutionaries. It seems that if it were not for the American invasion, then in Afghanistan, the Taliban would have killed all those Taliban who took power after the departure of Soviet troops. It is good and beneficial to be a revolutionary and fighter for a just cause in a calm and peaceful country. I think the militants will disperse throughout the country to arrange "maidans". Fortunately, Ukraine is big, and the people who are accustomed to a peaceful life will not put up much resistance ... But the militants do not need collapse and they also do not need Galicia for independence (now finally, nah ... no one needs it)
    1. vlum
      vlum 22 February 2014 12: 43
      0
      Actually, the article asked a question more about the motives for the actions of the detachments and commanders of the militants, rather than political party leaders, which are always relatively few.

      Leaders will catch quickly enough or they will dump, having removed all the cream. And there are examples that have already managed to escape. I don’t remember my surname, but about the same days when Azarov flew to Vienna, some well-known militant leader also flew away, and even with his whole family to London.
      1. Anper
        Anper 22 February 2014 15: 51
        0
        Quote: vlum
        some famous leader of the militants also flew away, and even with his whole family to London.

        On the 20th of the day he was already on the Maidan - Yarosh Dmitry.
    2. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 22 February 2014 13: 59
      +1
      Quote: buzer
      and under Stalin they killed all the old party members-

      The old party members were adherents of the idea of ​​a world revolution and the extermination of 80% of the entire population, "let only 20% of people remain on earth, but they will be true revolutionaries." By the way: in 36, when a new constitution was adopted, from which calls for a world revolution were thrown out, a referendum was held, voting for the abolition of the death penalty for "Enemies of the People", then the majority voted for the death penalty, since it was the old party members in the government was the majority. But "God notices the rogue", all who voted for the death penalty were subsequently shot. They voted against the death penalty in 36, Stalin, Voroshilov, Zhdanov, Kaganovich and others, they all died in old age and Kaganovich lived the longest.
  20. Andrew 58
    Andrew 58 22 February 2014 12: 29
    +3
    Ode to the Golden Eagle
    "Impossible", "superhuman" ...
    Songs of heroes are composed forever
    Nerves squeezing into a steel string
    Golden eagle rescues his native country.

    The fire of human lava fades
    They are inferior to all steels and alloys,
    Not for profit, handouts and flattery,
    Golden eagle stands - for freedom and honor!

    Monolithic system - iron piles,
    Birds that don't fly away
    People who won't run
    Golden eagle - Glory! Heroes - salute!

    Overseas puppeteers,
    You do not buy Ukrainian freedom!
    Golden eagle, like a Phoenix, baptized by fire,
    Eternal glory, you are awarded!

    You keep the Banner of the Cross,
    The brightly colored banners are yours
    New you build Jerusalem
    God is your support, Sim - we will win! Russia is with you!

    **********************************

    Handsome Kiev over the Dnieper
    With a terrible scar of barricades
    Burning Ukrainian House
    And the formation of an unshakable soldier.

    Fire and rubber flakes
    Evil cannot see the end
    On the stage, all the mines are sour
    And three "hero-scoundrel"

    Below are deceived people
    Leaders, press, president
    Noisy my Ukrainian clan
    And who takes advantage of the moment.

    The Golden-Domed Buzzing
    Michael the Cathedral.
    Whom does he call shabby in the night?
    Who clicks on the fire?

    Human souls burn in fire
    And with a child rush to heaven
    And among them they are not obedient to Him,
    And there are only those who accepted the shame.

    "Holy" shepherds with psalms
    Among boilers with food scurry about
    And where the smoke floats houses
    Shmat sala gratis chew.

    Crowd of unfortunate, brother to brother
    I went with blind fury
    And the face of the European democrat,
    It looks more like a goat.

    The dashing graffiti on the walls
    To pogroms, dirty tricks call
    From the screens devils "blue"
    In Europe through the ass lead.

    In Europe itself weakened
    When crazy fools
    At a nuclear power plant
    And that horrible dragged.

    Senates of democracies for the sake of
    5 billion gave us.
    The country is big for Christ's sake
    I went around hungry hands.

    And in the midst of all this bedlam
    As if he were to blame
    Wounded but glorious
    Heroes of the system - ordinary soldiers.

    Look native Ukraine
    On honest warrior sons
    They alone are one with you.
    They have one blood with you.

    There is a special forces under heaven.
    It is as if rooted in the ground
    And I believe that between the fighters
    He is also standing - Jesus Christ.

    reprinted from the site Ohrana.ru http://ohrana.ru/articles/7432/
  21. vlum
    vlum 22 February 2014 12: 29
    +2
    In the article itself, Khazin only pointed out that the oligarchs had a certain position on what was happening, but he did not give specifics. I've seen in the news and give an example of such a position:

    http://www.unian.net/politics/888121-kolomoyskiy-o-syezde-v-harkove-separatizm-n
    e-proydet.html

    The owner of dozens of enterprises in southeastern Ukraine, the owner of the 1 + 1 TV channel, Igor Kolomoisky, warned Gennady Kernes about responsibility for the separatist statements.
  22. Altona
    Altona 22 February 2014 12: 33
    +6
    I climbed on the site "However" to read the source codes of the articles ... Found a comment, I quote ...

    Vladimir Abramov Russian Federation February 21, 2014 00:15, Elektrostal

    Forgive me uv. Dmitry, I’m a military man, and the military has three heads - a helmet, a cap, then only its own. Until it comes. But in the coordinate system, we Soviet officers acted clearly.

    Of course it’s hard to talk about where you are not. BUT

    As an officer of the Soviet Army, in this situation he would have acted as follows.

    I would gather all the commanders of the "Golden Eagle and the Ministry of Internal Affairs" and declare that I will take full responsibility for everything that happens in the state of Ukraine. He would bow to his side the Minister of Defense of Ukraine, (but would not bow peacefully, would bow by force) and give the order:

    ORDER No. 1.

    In connection with foreign intervention, manifestations of terrorism, Nazism, fascism in Kiev, Lviv, Ternopol, Khmelnitsky ... ... etc. and the betrayal of President of Ukraine V. Yanukovych of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Golden Eagle subdivision

    I ORDER:

    1. Open warehouses with weapons and equip all units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Armed Forces with automatic weapons with full ammunition, bumblebee flame throwers, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, RGD-5, F-1, RPG, grenade launchers, mortars, ..........

    2. The rapid response group to arrest President Yanukovych V.

    3. Capture all channels of TV broadcasting to the state of Ukraine.

    4. Arrest all curators of foreigners.

    5. Announce mass media about the introduction of emergency.

    6. Take control of banks, regimes, military facilities, government buildings, communications, roads, highways, streets of all cities of the state of Ukraine.

    7. Announce a warning to visitors to Independence Square (the so-called Maydanovites) in Kiev that if they don’t leave the square in 30 minutes and leave all the ammunition and weapons on the square, fire will be launched to kill.

    I place the responsibility for the execution of the order on p ... ..ka Sh ... ..ko.

    After completing the second paragraph of the order, I show handcuffed Yanukovych on the 2th TV channel of Ukraine and read out the order.

    8. Within 6 months, more than three people. on the streets of Ukrainian cities not to gather.

    9. After 6 months of the election: President, Verkhovna Rada, government, local authorities.

    Ukraine will calm down, provided that it does not stick its smelly nose into the affairs of an independent state. But these fagots need war. That is the whole problem. Money is crushing.

    But we will win.


    -----------------------------
    I’ll add ... It’s a pity in 1991 we didn’t do that ...
    1. vlum
      vlum 22 February 2014 12: 53
      0
      If you will, but let's try on the points:
      1. Open warehouses with weapons and equip all units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Armed Forces with automatic weapons with full ammunition, bumblebee flame throwers, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, RGD-5, F-1, RPG, grenade launchers, mortars, ..........

      Done. It may not be 100% in all warehouses, but done.
      Naturally, there was some confusion over the warehouses in Galicia, but some messages skipped that at the time of the capture of the warehouses there was no longer any ammunition on them. Fires wrote off everything. But what exactly, when and where was gone - there is no information.
    2. vlum
      vlum 22 February 2014 12: 55
      +1
      2. The rapid response group to arrest President Yanukovych V.


      There is no more of it. Arrested. Self-destructed.
    3. vlum
      vlum 22 February 2014 12: 58
      0
      5. Announce mass media about the introduction of emergency.


      Well, there is no shortage of ads.

      For the rest, there is still zero. But all these others are practically impossible in the current conditions of the existing liberal propaganda and private ownership of the means of production, resources and natural monopolies.
    4. Skif
      Skif 22 February 2014 13: 32
      +1
      And what hindered? Conscience? Most likely, fear for his asshole, that’s why the USSR was fucked up, and now there’s nowhere to give out recommendations to all masters, there’s nowhere to spit, damn it ... I still studied at school in 91st, and you OFFICERS, where did you look? Now, yes, we will win, of course, and irrevocably ... Previously, we had to think and shout about victory, until the states put to the nail.
    5. largus886
      largus886 22 February 2014 15: 09
      0
      Two hands for! But where to get a determined general.
      1. Anper
        Anper 22 February 2014 16: 01
        0
        Quote: largus886
        But where to get a determined general

        Yes, no decisive general is needed. You just need to establish control over the media - they and they only provide information about Maidan as heroes. Moreover, it’s very clever - so heroes, activists, volunteers, and if caught hot - unknown masked people. Or show constantly through all the channels of our Rivne Muzychko who came from nowhere - when he is silent, then you involuntarily start recalling medical terms that qualify mental inferiority, and as soon as the mouth opens, it would be better to be silent, so tongue-tied plus all imaginable speech defects. But impressive.
    6. CTEPX
      CTEPX 22 February 2014 17: 37
      0
      Quote: Altona
      I ORDER:

      It would not work ... NATO would appear ... To protect the "peace strikers" and to counter the usurpation of power. And anyway, by the way, it will try to appear. Then it will be difficult to reach the militants.
  23. s, m, 51
    s, m, 51 22 February 2014 12: 34
    +1
    In Ukraine, it seems again that the Bandera party has come to power, the main thing is that the people don’t benefit from this, that with them the elite and their kids frolic and studied in Europe and America, that with this ruling power, and the people, as a beggar, will remain so, just in addition to the real Bandera who have come to the light who will not stand on ceremony with anyone, well, of course, they will let out Yulia and she will immediately stop and limp and get sick, and Yanukovych is lame in the best case, and I doubt that limp do not live long.
  24. Mercenary
    Mercenary 22 February 2014 12: 39
    0
    Enlighten what the Minister of Defense of Ukraine is and is a military coup possible in the current situation with the president? and restoring order with the help of troops?
  25. Nevyatoy
    Nevyatoy 22 February 2014 12: 43
    +2
    Earlier, I always wrote that there will be no civil war since the West fulfilled its mission. He will put up a puppet government and the east will be appeased and he will be reconciled. But now doubts torment me. After all, the West is not one common force, it is the United States and the EU, and they have completely opposite interests. Neither we (Russia), nor the EU, need a civil war, it is dangerous for both sides. There is a simple explanation for this. Gas pipe. In the event of a supply failure through Ukraine, Europe will probably be able to make up for only 10-20% on the side (I can be wrong), this will hit the EU very much, we get in the headstock, which is also not buzzing. But only the USA can benefit from this. They will bend the EU, and at the same time will hit our economy.
    There is confirmation of this. Please note that Europe expels its diplomats if only Yanukovych abdicates the throne and puppets could be planted. That is why they do not drive him into a corner until the end, and do not put unattainable conditions.
    And at the same time, militants of the Right Sector, led by Yarosh, who apparently feed on the State Department, and not on the EU, are in every way breaking any agreements. If the United States provokes a disruption in gas supplies now, then they will heat up like first graders. But during the Civil War, you can blame anyone. Perhaps this is why Yarosh does not calm down and shouts that he is ready to act tough. The reason may be Dobkin’s initiatives, even if not feasible, but only voiced.
    That is why EU representatives, albeit gradually, but begin to recognize the presence of non-peaceful militants and admit their guilt too. Well, on the contrary, Abama closes his eyes to them and blames only Yanukovych. Perhaps that is why Putin called up precisely with Merkel, and blames the United States.
    So there is a possibility that the United States will set Bandera to the east to start a war in the fire of which our gas pipes will burn.
  26. platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 22 February 2014 13: 03
    +1
    Quote: Canep
    The genie of revolution has escaped from the bottle, they cannot be driven back to their homes. The militants know that there is blood on their hands, robberies, and hostage-taking. If the Maidan calms down, then any government, even Yanukovych, even Tyagnibok will decide to eliminate the force that can undermine the government. Right-wing leaders must either get guarantees (positions in the new government) or be destroyed. For "civilized Europe," the fascists are not handshakeable and their representation in the government is unlikely. There is only one thing left - to fight until the leaders of the right sector come to power.
    At the same time, the southeast is not idle. From day to day, a message is expected from there on the withdrawal of regions from the unitary state of Ukraine (they will propose a federation). And in the case of the Nazis coming to power and the secession from Ukraine.
    But in the economy there is only one prospect - default.
    In general, we are waiting for the development of events.

    for how many years Ukrainian politicians have been screaming that everything is peaceful and calm, but at the same time they have stepped on a Russian rake.
  27. platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 22 February 2014 13: 11
    +1
    Quote: Altona
    I climbed on the site "However" to read the source codes of the articles ... Found a comment, I quote ...

    Vladimir Abramov Russian Federation February 21, 2014 00:15, Elektrostal

    Forgive me uv. Dmitry, I’m a military man, and the military has three heads - a helmet, a cap, then only its own. Until it comes. But in the coordinate system, we Soviet officers acted clearly.

    Of course it’s hard to talk about where you are not. BUT

    As an officer of the Soviet Army, in this situation he would have acted as follows.

    I would gather all the commanders of the "Golden Eagle and the Ministry of Internal Affairs" and declare that I will take full responsibility for everything that happens in the state of Ukraine. He would bow to his side the Minister of Defense of Ukraine, (but would not bow peacefully, would bow by force) and give the order:

    ORDER No. 1.

    In connection with foreign intervention, manifestations of terrorism, Nazism, fascism in Kiev, Lviv, Ternopol, Khmelnitsky ... ... etc. and the betrayal of President of Ukraine V. Yanukovych of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Golden Eagle subdivision

    I ORDER:

    1. Open warehouses with weapons and equip all units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Armed Forces with automatic weapons with full ammunition, bumblebee flame throwers, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, RGD-5, F-1, RPG, grenade launchers, mortars, ..........

    2. The rapid response group to arrest President Yanukovych V.

    3. Capture all channels of TV broadcasting to the state of Ukraine.

    4. Arrest all curators of foreigners.

    5. Announce mass media about the introduction of emergency.

    6. Take control of banks, regimes, military facilities, government buildings, communications, roads, highways, streets of all cities of the state of Ukraine.

    7. Announce a warning to visitors to Independence Square (the so-called Maydanovites) in Kiev that if they don’t leave the square in 30 minutes and leave all the ammunition and weapons on the square, fire will be launched to kill.

    I place the responsibility for the execution of the order on p ... ..ka Sh ... ..ko.

    After completing the second paragraph of the order, I show handcuffed Yanukovych on the 2th TV channel of Ukraine and read out the order.

    8. Within 6 months, more than three people. on the streets of Ukrainian cities not to gather.

    9. After 6 months of the election: President, Verkhovna Rada, government, local authorities.

    Ukraine will calm down, provided that it does not stick its smelly nose into the affairs of an independent state. But these fagots need war. That is the whole problem. Money is crushing.

    But we will win.


    -----------------------------
    I’ll add ... It’s a pity in 1991 we didn’t do that ...

    it’s a pity that such a person was not found in 2014 in Ukraine, but such a person exists in Russia and Uzbekistan, and I am glad that there are real men in the open spaces of the former USSR.
  28. DPN
    DPN 22 February 2014 13: 14
    0
    Each oligarch has a backup option, so Yanukovych believes that it is time to use it. He didn’t fly away with empty pockets to the Arabs. I think he will not advertise fast feet, like Gorbachev.
    Of course I really didn’t want him to be accepted in RUSSIA, and so there is enough tagged.
  29. knn54
    knn54 22 February 2014 13: 14
    +3
    Now many regionals recognize that they themselves gave birth to Maidan during the TOTAL 2013. the EU conditions enslaving for Ukraine were hidden from the people.
    An eloquent fact: when the communists proposed to dismiss the Cabinet of Ministers ... for the initiation of the agreement with the EU, Yatsenyuk shouted to the whole audience: “We are ready to vote for THIS option!” Only a couple of hours later, Yatsenyuk realized that he was cheating and demanded to ban the Communist Party.
    And the militants must be crushed like cockroaches, until they crawl over the caches ...
  30. gen-48
    gen-48 22 February 2014 13: 23
    +5
    Everything that happened in Ukraine is a lesson for all of us. Day and night our TV relished episodes of the struggle of the decorators with the "Berkut". Whatever the respected members of the forum say, but the dress rehearsal was held, and we have several thousand dollars ready to destroy, kill. It will be hard to fight nits, having also a burning Caucasus plus millions of Asian sheep on the streets of our cities. I called a friend in Crimea. There are already hanging out with might and main "chubatye", for which they are preparing. People are very alarmed that no self-defense squads will help, they are too well organized around the ... There is little hope for the police after the Berkut was framed in Kiev. By the way, L. Grach is speaking about Russia-24 now. Almost the same as my friend.
  31. loginovich
    loginovich 22 February 2014 13: 46
    +2
    Quote: windjoker
    You are a provocateur - the church took an active part in the peaceful settlement of the conflict: Orthodox, Catholic and other faiths. Do not escalate the situation.

    God grant that you would be right
  32. Indifferent
    Indifferent 22 February 2014 14: 01
    +1
    The article is very logical. I think so too. Now Ukraine is facing a choice. Either the Federation and a more or less peaceful transition in normal life or a civil war with a transition to guerrilla warfare.
  33. dosyl
    dosyl 22 February 2014 14: 43
    0
    A good article, but Kharkov, which in 1936 lost the capital’s title campaign of Vasyuki.
  34. wanderer
    wanderer 22 February 2014 15: 07
    +1
    As Shakespeare is direct - the Moor has done his job, the Moor must leave.
    This is meat, from them now only an extra headache.
    The conclusion is simple - they will pin some medals, they promise what and ... they will "shoot" in different ways.
    And these idiots - Natsik, Buratino-boxer and Yatsenberg, too, "will be put in chests in the form of rags."
    We will soon find out who was in reserve ...
  35. rauffg
    rauffg 22 February 2014 15: 08
    0
    The participants in the debates on Ukraine, which took place in the European Parliament on the eve of the vote, were unanimous: the conflict is developing in almost the worst case scenario. The most pessimistic forecast was given by Portuguese MP Ana Gomes. According to her, after the Olympics in Sochi, under the pretext of combating extremists, there will be a forceful dispersal of Ukrainian demonstrators, which will promise the EU a stream of refugees, and Ukraine itself - a civil war that could escalate into "another world war."
  36. Ribatsek
    Ribatsek 22 February 2014 15: 15
    0
    It’s a very accurate description of the situation in our country. There’s just so little advice now needed for us. People. When they come to kill us. We live in the Crimean Republic, maybe someone will take us under their wing? And all the others?
  37. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 22 February 2014 15: 20
    0
    The militants have no choice, except for the war in Ukraine - any power will crush them
    I would add: "civilized power". Because such lawlessness cannot be overlooked, and somehow justified!
  38. Klim2011
    Klim2011 22 February 2014 15: 43
    0
    An interesting though not unambiguous article on this subject - http://rossiyanavsegda.ru/read/1767/
  39. uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 22 February 2014 16: 12
    0
    burn burn clearly so as not to go out!
  40. serega53
    serega53 22 February 2014 17: 04
    +2
    Quote: serega53
    EVEN THE JACKETS ARE ALMOST THE SAME AND A HELMET 1 IN 1 CLEAR EVERYTHING

    I HERE YOU A NEWBIDDEN AT LEAST LONG TIME SIMPLY UKRAINE HAS BEEN THE LAST DROPS AND DECIDED TO REGISTER AND WANTED BEFORE BUT NOT DECIDED
  41. Des10
    Des10 22 February 2014 17: 12
    +2
    "The militants have no choice but the war in Ukraine - any power will crush them"
    now they themselves are power.
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 24 February 2014 10: 40
      0
      "The militants have no choice but the war in Ukraine - any power will crush them" now they are the power "they have released the snake, now Yulia will let everyone wake up, not just Janek
  42. bubla5
    bubla5 22 February 2014 18: 32
    0
    So they are already joining the ranks of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, so they have already found a job
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  44. 4rn4
    4rn4 23 February 2014 01: 15
    +1
    here enlighten, draw conclusions ...
  45. Maxim P.
    Maxim P. 23 February 2014 01: 31
    0
    Quote: Altona
    I ORDER:

    1. Open warehouses with weapons and equip all units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Armed Forces with automatic weapons with full ammunition, bumblebee flame throwers, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, RGD-5, F-1, RPG, grenade launchers, mortars, ..........

    2. The rapid response group to arrest President Yanukovych V.

    3. Capture all channels of TV broadcasting to the state of Ukraine.

    4. Arrest all curators of foreigners.

    5. Announce mass media about the introduction of emergency.

    6. Take control of banks, regimes, military facilities, government buildings, communications, roads, highways, streets of all cities of the state of Ukraine.

    7. Announce a warning to visitors to Independence Square (the so-called Maydanovites) in Kiev that if they don’t leave the square in 30 minutes and leave all the ammunition and weapons on the square, fire will be launched to kill.

    I place the responsibility for the execution of the order on p ... ..ka Sh ... ..ko.

    After completing the second paragraph of the order, I show handcuffed Yanukovych on the 2th TV channel of Ukraine and read out the order.

    8. Within 6 months, more than three people. on the streets of Ukrainian cities not to gather.

    9. After 6 months of the election: President, Verkhovna Rada, government, local authorities.

    The experience of Latin America in the 50-60s shows that this could only happen in Latin America in the 50-60s. Well and here and there in Africa. Complete nonsense, Manilov’s dreams.
  46. vanaheym
    vanaheym 23 February 2014 08: 50
    -2
    Here is just a video of the valiant dispersal of militant, and most importantly, armed fascists by "Berkut".
    Look, be proud of the feat of suppressing a ferocious and armed enemy.
    19:27 Behind the scenes you can hear the commentator of the Russian channel.
    Comments are unnecessary ..
    From 2:55 minutes: shot from Kalash
    from 12:30 shoot people without firearms
    from 14:00 minutes - they shoot those who just try to drag the wounded and the dead
    16:48 on the spot
    17:08 mountain of corpses
    19:35 "Hello, colleagues! We are at the forefront of an attack by extremists." Around the corpses, wounded. Extremists, *****
    22:00 p.m. - people are killed, obviously without firearms. Obviously not going forward
    from 29:00 minutes - the counterattack of the Maydanovtsev. And notice, again not a single shot from the protesters
    31:15 fall into the person who runs away from the front line, 30 meters from her. Those. doesn't attack, doesn't shoot back
    31:50 a protester with a flag on his back. The inscription on the flag: Dnepropetrovsk. Bendera-fascist-zapadentets.
    37:00 minute - the medic raises his hands, shouts: "Let me carry the wounded!" and goes full length forward
    37:45 priest with a shield and helmet
    37:55 led this medic. It looks like a wounded man in the neck. I think I saw a photo of this moment in full view. A neck wound but survived
    40:00 a minute - people finally took refuge behind the smoke from burning tires



    And here is part (about a third) of the list of brutal Bandera and militants killed on Institutskaya.
    1. Arutyunyan George, 54 years old, Engineer, George has two daughters, the youngest - three years.
    2. Baidovsky Sergey Romanovich, Worker of the main oil pipeline "Druzhba"
    3. Brezdenyuk Valeriy, Vinnitsa, 50 years old. Ebru artist (Winner of the competition "Ukraine May Talent").
    4. Bondarev Sergey Anatolyevich, GlobalLogic Ukraine programmer
    5. Bondarchuk Sergey Mikhailovich, Physics teacher
    7. Kotlyar Eugene, Kharkov, industrial climber
    8. Voitovich Nazar Yurievich, 17 years old. 3rd year student at Co-op College
    9. Golodnyuk Ustim Vladimirovich, Student. Volunteer
    10. Gurik Roman Viktorovich, 1994. Student
    11. The nobleman of Antonin, Brovary, 62 years old. At one time she was a liquidator at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. February 18, arrived in Kiev on business, was not going to take part in the protests. She got a gunshot wound.
    12. Dzyavulsky Nikolay Stepanovich, Teacher of geography and biology.
    13. Zherebny Vladimir Nikolaevich, Worker at Vishnyansky Agrarian College.
    14. Kapinos Alexander, farmer
    15. Kemsky Sergey, Kerch. Expert at the Institute for Political and Economic Risks and Prospects.
    16. Kostenko Igor Igorevich, Journalist of the sports publication "Sportanalitika"
    17. Korneev Anatoly Petrovich. Head of the Rudsky Village Council.
    18. Moysey Vasily Mikhailovich, student
    19. Movchan Andrey. worked as a stage master at the Franko Theater in Kiev
    20. Parashchuk Yuri, Kharkov. 1966. Joiner.
    21. Plekhanov Alexander Viktorovich. Architect
    22. Serdyuk Igor, Kremenchuk, Poltava region, 44 years. Businessman
    23. Solchanik Bogdan Zinovievich, teacher of the department of modern and contemporary history of Ukraine
    24. Ushnevich Oleg Mikhailovich Drogobich, Hero of Ukraine.
    25. Khrapachenko Alexander Vladimirovich, theater director
    1. tupolev-95
      tupolev-95 23 February 2014 09: 58
      0
      You should be proud of all the results of the work of your politicians and leaders.
      1. RUSLAN39
        RUSLAN39 23 February 2014 16: 57
        0
        Here is just a video of the valiant dispersal of militant, and most importantly, armed fascists by "Berkut".
        Look, be proud of the feat of suppressing a ferocious and armed enemy.

        You need to be proud of the radicals and fascists, because these protesters from the list you presented were killed not by the fighters of the golden eagle, but by the provocateurs and mercenaries of the so-called "opposition". Do not wishful thinking.
        1. vanaheym
          vanaheym 24 February 2014 10: 23
          -1
          This is also a hired provocateur of the so-called opposition, which is very rare in Ukraine. Blaser 93 LRS2, which is in service with "Alpha" and "Falcon"?
          1. nov_tech.vrn
            nov_tech.vrn 24 February 2014 10: 28
            +1
            Is this also a hired provocateur of the so-called opposition? - no, this is an old photo that has been surfing the net for a long time, she’s several years old, you don’t know,
  47. Akella
    Akella 23 February 2014 10: 43
    +2
    I am one of many Russians who betrayed and sold power in Ukraine. But this is only part of the betrayal. Because they betrayed and sold the Russians not only here. First there was the Baltic states, then the Caucasus is now Ukraine. We paid as a bargaining chip, giving territories and people to be eaten by nonhumans. Until recently, we hoped for Russia. The fleet left Crimea yesterday, all hope collapsed, the hint is clear. This is the next stage of betrayal. Dear you, they organized the Olympics with a noisy opening, so that you could not hear the calls of your compatriots for help, this is the next stage of betrayal. But now you have your own maidan and your own nonhumans, whom for some reason the authorities are in no hurry to sit in prisons. This is the next stage of betrayal. You won’t sit behind our backs, don’t hope! When they eat us, they will come according to your souls! And you measure out the trouble and our tears and our blood and your pedagogy!
    1. GP
      GP 23 February 2014 11: 55
      0
      "Akella missed!"
      Whatever the reasons for the collapse of the USSR, this is not a reason to whine. All in your hands. Or do you need to feed from a spoon and wipe the nozzles, but yourself weak?
      Is it good to drive to the Olympics ?! This is an asset, not a burden. Popularization of a healthy lifestyle, pride in the success of athletes, for the country.
      And yes, if you are sheep, then you will be eaten, and no help will help.
    2. tupolev-95
      tupolev-95 23 February 2014 13: 10
      0
      You will decide somehow, please. 20 years Ukraine has been independent and all this time in Ukraine quietly watched as the non-people widened their ranks, not forgetting to blame Russia for all their troubles. I remember perfectly how it all began - at the time of the collapse of the Union, my father served in a missile unit near Zhitomir. In the history class, they quickly hung up portraits of hetmans (Mazepa was very "happy") and off they went - there was no point in procrastinating the same thing. On this site, some members of the forum also converged in verbal battles about Ukraine more than once They made fun of the "zhovto-blakytnym ensigns", they say, there are too many political articles on this topic. But it turned out not too much. Your accusation of betrayal should be taken as a call for decisive (most likely military) Russian intervention? How many people in Ukraine think so? Why don't they take to the streets and express their opinion? Most likely they sit at home and think that maybe it will somehow resolve itself. I doubt it. "Yesterday the fleet left the Crimea, all hope collapsed, the hint is clear" - where did the news come from?
  48. SF93
    SF93 23 February 2014 11: 52
    0
    If Ukraine joins the European Union, then the European Union will be kirdyk. Banderlog will smell what smells under the skirt of Europe and America, and again remember for their independence and independence. In short, this "revolution" is not yet the last, it will be more abruptly further.
  49. Maxim P.
    Maxim P. 23 February 2014 13: 52
    0
    Quote: Akella
    I am one of many Russians who betrayed and sold power in Ukraine. But this is only part of the betrayal. Because they betrayed and sold the Russians not only here.

    Actually, what are the claims? That the USSR has long been gone, or that you do not live in the Russian Federation? At your place of residence anywhere in Ukraine, you can continue to use the Russian language, official documents and part of the media - yes, in Ukrainian, but for 22 you can’t learn it only from the principle, to spite someone.
  50. Cynic
    Cynic 23 February 2014 14: 41
    0
    Was there such a gentleman in great Germany, what did he and his comrades-in-arms finish with?