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Richard Pipes: Ukraine needs to split up, or Russia will bring troops in there

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We suggest reading a topical interview with the famous American historian and political scientist, former advisor to President Ronald Reagan, Professor Richard Pipes.


Professor Pipes shared his opinion on the political situation in Ukraine with the American correspondent of the Polish radio station RMF Pavel Zhukhovsky.


- Mr. Professor, what is your assessment of what is currently happening in Ukraine?

- The situation is very sad. Because many Ukrainians, although not all, of course, want to become part of Europe, however, Russia cannot allow this, and in any case will not allow it. It is more likely that the Russians will either force the Ukrainians to abandon their European aspirations, or Ukraine will split into two parts.


- It is known that Russia wants to maintain its influence in Ukraine ...

“Russia has a huge economic influence in Ukraine and in no way will it allow this country to become part of Europe.” Ukrainian lands Moscow considers its own. It is just the same as if today California suddenly wanted to secede from America and become part of Russia. For Russia, this is absolutely unthinkable. Therefore, Russia will put economic pressure on Ukraine. And if it doesn’t have any effect, she will simply bring in her troops.

- What can the United States do in this situation?

- Very little. America can criticize what is happening in Ukraine. She can criticize Russians for their actions, for blackmailing Ukrainians, and so on. However, the sense of this will be a bit. This question is too important for Russia to be influenced by the United States in some way.

- However, the United States has already threatened with further sanctions, what measures are we talking about?

- What can America do? Almost nothing. After all, she will not break off relations with Russia because of Ukraine? Yes, we need to talk about the situation in Ukraine. President Obama must criticize Moscow for its actions. However, this will not bring much effect.

- And what actions can the European Union take? After all, we are much closer to Ukraine than the United States.

- Yes, too, nothing special. I think all these actions will not have the desired effect. Well, what can they do? Cut yourself off from gas or oil coming from Russia? It is unthinkable. So everything will be limited to empty gestures that have little effect on real politics.

- How do you think the scenario of events in Ukraine in the coming weeks or months might look like?

- There are several options. Either the opposition realizes that it is unable to do anything, after which the protests will begin to calm down. The pro-European movement will weaken, people will lose hope and stop the protests, well, or they will continue and then, from time to time, we will become witnesses of such bloody clashes. Or it could all end with the fact that Russia, in the end, will bring its troops into Ukraine, as it did in Georgia. And the last option is the final disintegration of Ukraine.


- How high, in your opinion, is the likelihood that Russia will deploy its troops to Ukraine?

- This can happen if the Russians have no other choice. For them, this is an extreme case. First of all, they will try to use economic and political levers. The option with the introduction of troops will become relevant only if political and economic actions end in failure ...
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http://www.rmf24.pl/raport-ukraina/opinie/news-prof-richard-pipes-ukraina-sie-podzieli-albo-rosjanie-wprowa,nId,1109247,strona,2
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  1. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 22 February 2014 06: 19
    -9
    Nobody will enter anything anywhere, everything is sold, money is the lever for seizing power.
    1. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 22 February 2014 14: 00
      +2
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Nobody will enter anything anywhere, everything is sold, money is the lever for seizing power.


      who is the author? right lackey State Department. correspondent march too. this is not an article, but the conversation of the State Department with himself.
    2. WIN969
      WIN969 22 February 2014 14: 20
      +1
      We will introduce no doubt, and we will release the guts to all Bandera. The war has already begun, it was not we who started it again, it remains only to win it.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 22 February 2014 22: 24
        +1
        But why send troops? Organize and arm the East. This Right Front will only understand the Hard Answer.
        You can enter only with UN authorization. Otherwise, you won’t stink. Although Putin may rely on agreements of the 90s on the export of nuclear weapons from Ukraine. Russia is the guarantor of the independence and integrity of Ukraine (somehow). Gather the CIS Council and introduce peacekeeping forces. But Western Ukraine will start yelling about occupation. It comes to provocations and shooting in the West. Ukraine. Of course, you can also ask Yanukovych to write some piece of paper, but his legitimacy is in question. hi
  2. wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 22 February 2014 06: 20
    +16
    even the political scientist-Sovietologist could not figure out Yanuk, who would simply surrender himself and surrender Ukraine to Bandera
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 22 February 2014 07: 13
      +3
      Quote: wasjasibirjac
      even the political scientist-Sovietologist could not figure out Yanuk, who would simply surrender himself and surrender Ukraine to Bandera


      Why couldn't? He did not foresee the actions of the yanyk. Everything else is a matter of time and situation ...
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 22 February 2014 08: 36
      +5
      Yanukovych has nothing to give up, except for himself. He no longer rules there, but they rule them. Who is another matter?
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    4. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 22 February 2014 09: 45
      +2
      Quote: wasjasibirjac
      even a political scientist-Sovietologist could not calculate Yanuk

      Why couldn’t he? He clearly wrote that either everything will settle down or Russia will send troops. Janek’s actions push us to the extreme.
      1. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 22 February 2014 16: 29
        0
        Quote: wasjasibirjac
        even the political scientist-Sovietologist could not figure out Yanuk, who would simply surrender himself and surrender Ukraine to Bandera

        He just retired, or covers his eyes. Yanuk is a project of Americans. Therein lies the danger, they slip in a new one. Danger to the southeast when looking for a leader.
  3. andrei332809
    andrei332809 22 February 2014 06: 21
    0
    Because many Ukrainians want to become part of Europe

    the old man survived from his mind what
    1. vo.dum
      vo.dum 22 February 2014 07: 02
      +6
      He didn’t lose his mind — he just saw enough of the American zombie worker and draws conclusions — but in the main he’s right in my opinion .... Russia’s defense industry enterprises located in the south and east of Ukraine are very important to Russia ... and just like that, the GDP will not give up, despite the position of our maydauns (liberals and oligarchs) - I hope his eggs did not tear out like Yanuk’s (synonym for Gorbi2) ...
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 22 February 2014 08: 28
        +5
        Quote: vo.dum
        He did not survive from the mind - just seen enough of the American zombie

        You are beguiled. wink Such old men just form the content of the zomboyaschik in the USA and, in general, in the West.
        But, in this case, he says on this situation in Ukraine, in essence, everything is correct.
        Quote: vo.dum
        Russia is very important enterprises of the military-industrial complex located in the south and east of Ukraine

        These enterprises, which have been stacking for more than 20 years, are by no means "the main part of the aircraft."
        For Russia, the main thing is that part of the Russian world is a territory, and infrastructure, and, most importantly, people are not forcibly split off and turned to confront it.
        And the section of the current, not natural in terms of historical and cultural realities, Ukraine, in my opinion, is the best way out of the crisis.
        May God grant that such a section be as bloodless as possible.
      2. uhjpysq1
        uhjpysq1 22 February 2014 10: 17
        +1
        The enterprises of the military-industrial complex are very important to Russia) either ours, or - "don't get it to anyone"
      3. varov14
        varov14 22 February 2014 10: 17
        0
        Do not tell my slippers, just ours will be friends with the Maydan. You will have to turn a blind eye to the ideology of nationalism; money will endure everything. And the worse it is, if it leads to the strengthening of statehood, ours, before the war, were very tolerant of it, moreover, implicated in national exceptionalism and were friends with the Germans. Later, on the basis of external aggression, in order to raise morale, they began to debunk the Nazi ideology, and it contributed to this, since it proclaimed national exclusivity and crushed and forgot about it. But there is nationalism that does not imply racial discrimination, and this is something else — they will be friends, the troops, it is unlikely.
        1. uhjpysq1
          uhjpysq1 22 February 2014 10: 32
          +1
          that’s the fact that sooner or later they will throw these hungry people at Russia. there is no buffer between us and Europe.
    2. kenig1
      kenig1 22 February 2014 07: 25
      0
      Read the article carefully, he said not the majority, but MANY. You want to say that this is not so? According to polls, it was about 50 to 50.
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 22 February 2014 09: 42
      +4
      Quote: andrei332809
      the old man survived from his mind

      Why "survived"? He did not say "MOST", but the presence of a SUFFICIENT element to destabilize the situation was shown by recent events ...

      And you would not hurt to reread the article in order to make sure that the "old man" is far from being senile and sober, and the main thing is to professionally assess the problem and possible options for its development and solutions ...
    4. Kite
      Kite 22 February 2014 10: 17
      +2
      In the 90s we wanted to become part of Europe, but God had mercy, reasoned! (still itching!) The rest didn’t get mercy, was it not possible to realize someone else’s experience ??
  4. svp67
    svp67 22 February 2014 06: 22
    +7
    This is called - reconnaissance in force and "information cover" ... In relation to the enemy - the colors are exaggerated, in relation to himself - everything is nice and decent. Information war in one word ...
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 22 February 2014 06: 34
      +11
      quote-Well, the last option is the final collapse of Ukraine.


      This villain Pipes am voiced true intentions The United States and the West in relation to Ukraine. The collapse of Ukraine means complete chaos, and to be more precise, a civil war. from within to the power of Russia.
      Quote: svp67
      This is called reconnaissance in force and "information cover" ..

      I absolutely agree with Sergey hi events are just unfolding.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 22 February 2014 06: 36
        +1
        Quote: Apollon
        I absolutely agree with Sergey, events are only unfolding.

        Of course, when a person in a swamp and water is already under his chin, he reassures himself that everything is just beginning.
        1. svp67
          svp67 22 February 2014 06: 40
          +3
          Quote: vladsolo56
          Of course, when a person in a swamp and water is already under his chin, he reassures himself that everything is just beginning.
          Just because he still has a CHANCE ... either - or. Worse when the slurry is already above your head, and no one has ever filed a rescue pole ...
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      3. siberalt
        siberalt 22 February 2014 08: 40
        +2
        And what did Pipes say that is not known? What split Ukraine as an option at the end of the tragedy? And this is also possible.
      4. Ustas
        Ustas 22 February 2014 09: 17
        +2
        Quote: Apollon
        The collapse of Ukraine means complete chaos, and to be more precise, a civil war. In no case should it be allowed.

        And how to prevent? What is the way out? If the western regions of Ukraine are hostile to the eastern Russian-speaking, and hostile to Russia itself. Natsik will not calm down until they take power. And what, then, should the southeast do, surrender, betray everything, history, kind, etc.?
        1. ver_
          ver_ 22 February 2014 09: 57
          +1
          The debut phase is over, the middlegame goes ..., the endgame is not far off ... on Shipka everything is calm .... - the exercises are going on ... how long the rope does not curl - the end will be ..
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 22 February 2014 06: 25
    +4
    Nobody will enter anything anywhere, everything is sold, money is the lever for seizing power.


    I do not agree, in our time everything is possible, after all, no one had supposed that the crazy SAAKASHVILI would rush into a fight with RUSSIA and get through the wort - as for UKRAINE, everything is much more complicated and when the time comes X it's hard to say, wait and see.

    We can definitely say that UKRAINE is a zone of our vital interests and no one will give it to our sworn friends.
    1. Ustas
      Ustas 22 February 2014 09: 19
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      We can definitely say that UKRAINE is a zone of our vital interests

      Ukraine is a part of our Motherland.
  6. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 22 February 2014 06: 27
    -3
    He’s a smart old man. It’s not time for him to go to areas of psychiatric hospitals. The bloody mentality. Everyone considers themselves smarter than everyone.
  7. ars_pro
    ars_pro 22 February 2014 06: 28
    +12
    Already today it will be clear what will happen with such a project as Ukraine, it will be decided sooner in Kharkov, the division and separation of the southeast is quite a possible scenario, if the guys keep Kharkov, we are waiting for provocations from the right-wingers, but it’s better not to let them get to Kharkov, stop in the bud because they will shoot, brawls of ordinary people are not as terrible as provocations of Westerners!
  8. saag
    saag 22 February 2014 06: 30
    +5
    in terms of separation, the guy is right, this would be the best way out at the moment
  9. 3dmaxsev
    3dmaxsev 22 February 2014 06: 31
    +19
    I, personally, do not mind seeing the Russian troops in Donetsk. And let Bandera live at home as they want.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 February 2014 06: 40
      +5
      Quote: 3dmaxsev
      I, personally, do not mind seeing the Russian troops in Donetsk.

      And who called us there?
      1. 3dmaxsev
        3dmaxsev 22 February 2014 06: 44
        +8
        If your house will burn, God forbid, will you also need an invitation?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 February 2014 07: 09
          +1
          Quote: 3dmaxsev
          If your house will burn, God forbid, will you also need an invitation?

          This is demagogy, if we introduce the military now, then we can put on the opinion of the West, but the fact that all Bandera’s will plunder their arsenals and go out as a warrior is a fact. It will immediately break out in Crimea. Ukraine is not Georgia, we won’t be able to deal with them in five days .Yes NATO may enter the west of the military.
        2. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac 22 February 2014 11: 12
          +2
          Quote: 3dmaxsev
          If your house will burn, God forbid, will you also need an invitation?

          no, if MY house is on fire, then I do not need any invitations to extinguish it. But this example is not true. Now it’s not my house that’s burning, but a house in a neighboring village, and this village is not friendly, they tried to beat our guys there, so they’ll just be there without an invitation, there will be problems, but the village people don’t call, they’ll call the neighboring city and wait for firefighters from there.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 22 February 2014 06: 56
        +15
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And who called us there?

        Romanov! I am calling everyone! Meeting with bread and salt and the corresponding clearing. I will provide flowers !!!
        Why, and they signed this "agreement" only because they (the opposition) ORAL Polish representative- "If you do not support this, you will get a state of emergency, you will receive an army. You will all be dead!"
        ITV News journalist James Mates asked Sikorsky what he was talking about and whether it meant that he convinced the opposition that he was right, to which Sikorsky replied grimly on the move: "I don't know." Then he left.
        Later, the leaders of the Ukrainian opposition signed an agreement "to resolve the crisis" with Yanukovych. But the militants of the "Right Sector" have already announced that they are continuing the "national revolution" and will not stop the armed struggle "against the regime." Http://polemika.com.ua/news-139438.html
        xxx
        So who knows how it will turn out.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 February 2014 07: 11
          +4
          Quote: Egoza
          Meeting with bread and salt and the corresponding clearing. I will provide flowers !!!

          Elena, but fat is fat will be?
          Quote: Egoza
          "Right Sector" have already announced that they are continuing the "national revolution" and will not stop the armed struggle "against the regime

          The right sector wants power and will not calm down until they get it.
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 22 February 2014 07: 38
            +9
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Elena, but fat is fat will be?

            Sasha, "Salo in the trenches" - this is what the Russian "federals" called the Ukrainian mercenaries from UNA-UNSO in Chechnya. So the clearing is enough yes Hi!

            Quote: Egoza
            Meeting with bread and salt and the corresponding clearing. I will provide flowers !!!

            Thank you, Elena! Enough glades, and it is better to save flowers for laying on the "common" grave of all this Maydannaya dolbobratia.
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 22 February 2014 09: 56
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Elena, but fat is fat will be?
            Egg, milk, fat! Uterus dafay, dafay! ...

            It happened before...

            Of course, I understand, Alexander, that you were joking, but now there is no time for "laughing", and Russia in many respects too, precisely because of the situation in Ukraine ...
            And for people who do not accept the Bandera movement vector of Ukraine - even more so ...
    2. svp67
      svp67 22 February 2014 06: 43
      +6
      Quote: 3dmaxsev
      I, personally, do not mind seeing the Russian troops in Donetsk. And let Bandera live at home as they want.

      In this case, I would not mind seeing the birth of a new state - the South-Eastern Ukrainian Republic ... and then invite, let’s go.
      1. 3dmaxsev
        3dmaxsev 22 February 2014 06: 46
        +9
        Today there will be a congress in Kharkov, representatives of all southeastern regions, let's see what happens.
        1. kenig1
          kenig1 22 February 2014 07: 31
          +1
          There, the slime of Yanukovych flew out interestingly for what purpose, to seek political asylum, or to persuade to accept?
          1. RUSLAN39
            RUSLAN39 22 February 2014 09: 55
            +1
            Quote: kenig1
            There, the slime of Yanukovych flew out interestingly for what purpose, to seek political asylum, or to persuade to accept?

            I hope he will be driven out of there with shame - it still does not solve anything!
          2. ver_
            ver_ 22 February 2014 10: 01
            +1
            It is necessary to release the catalyst from the bunk ... and "... everything is fine - beautiful Marquis ...
        2. Ustas
          Ustas 22 February 2014 09: 27
          +2
          Quote: 3dmaxsev
          Today there will be a congress in Kharkov, representatives of all southeastern regions, let's see what happens.

          Let us hope that they will make the only right decision, as Abkhazia and South Ossetia once accepted.
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 22 February 2014 07: 52
      +3
      Quote: 3dmaxsev
      I, personally, do not mind seeing the Russian troops in Donetsk.

      Not everything is so simple, first you need to bring in peacekeepers from Russia, and let the Banderlog try to touch at least one with a finger ... Then it will be like in the credits of the series - "To be continued"
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 22 February 2014 08: 45
        +3
        In Russia, millions of Ukrainian citizens. We will give cartridges. Let them go themselves and free their mother from banderlogs. Who is against?
    4. Ustas
      Ustas 22 February 2014 09: 21
      +1
      Quote: 3dmaxsev
      I, personally, do not mind seeing the Russian troops in Donetsk. And let Bandera live at home as they want.

      But do they defend their lands weakly?
      1. 3dmaxsev
        3dmaxsev 22 February 2014 21: 51
        0
        I’m not weak, I want to see my land as part of Russia, and not because I’m scared.
    5. ver_
      ver_ 22 February 2014 10: 02
      0
      A Bandera toilet ... and there is a moment of truth ....
  10. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 22 February 2014 06: 41
    +4
    There will be no our troops in Ukraine. Maybe some specialists. But this is my personal opinion. Now the "heavyweights" will go into battle - the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and others like him.
    1. svp67
      svp67 22 February 2014 06: 51
      +3
      Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
      Now "heavyweights" will go into battle - the Foreign Ministry and others like him.

      This is good, but it wouldn’t hurt to “suddenly” check the Black Sea Fleet's combat readiness, with going to sea and solving problems ... And then raise the “long-range” a couple of times into the air ... You look at the Foreign Ministry and it will be easier to “negotiate”
      1. ver_
        ver_ 22 February 2014 10: 11
        +1
        Heavyweights are just a diplomatic cover ... and in the depths of their fish and their laws ....
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 22 February 2014 07: 04
      +6
      Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
      Maybe some specialists.

      In principle, Russia has many levers - it’s free to return the price of gas (especially Yulia), and don’t give the next tranche, but simply to send all Western-born Westerners from Ukraine who work illegally, and there probably are such ones, send them home. If desired, they are very easy to find. I'm not talking about the fact that there have already been hints of curtailing Russian business in Ukraine. Naturally! Who will conduct business with such an unreliable partner! So the army is not required!
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 22 February 2014 07: 07
        -2
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
        Maybe some specialists.

        In principle, Russia has many levers - it’s free to return the price of gas (especially Yulia), and don’t give the next tranche, but simply to send all Western-born Westerners from Ukraine who work illegally, and there probably are such ones, send them home. If desired, they are very easy to find. I'm not talking about the fact that there have already been hints of curtailing Russian business in Ukraine. Naturally! Who will conduct business with such an unreliable partner! So the army is not required!

        I'm not sure. At this stage, the US and the EU will do their best for at least a year, Ukraine was in order, as it was with Georgia, but then another thing, so there is no doubt that Ukraine has been sold and sold completely
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 22 February 2014 07: 56
          +2
          Uh-huh, why did they not apply these "forces", or rather, "grandmothers" earlier? They do not need this, they need a massacre on the border with Russia. We all prepared, fortified the southern border, and these creatures climbed from the direction of Ukraine.
          1. demel2
            demel2 22 February 2014 09: 16
            +1
            Yes, they do not need a massacre, especially Europe, but the missile defense system near Belgorod and Bryansk, yes, but IMHO, both of these options are suitable for them.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 22 February 2014 10: 37
              +1
              Yes, they do not need a massacre, especially Europe, but the missile defense system near Belgorod and Bryansk, yes, but IMHO, both of these options are suitable for them.


              Come on, at least in one country have they been entrenched recently? We count. Yugoslavia - they ruined the country, they gave the bandits an enclave in Kosovo and forgot, let them cook there themselves, but the Europeans disentangle them. Afghan - they are leaving, they will leave their advisers, of course, but still not a missile defense, I hope it is clear. Iraq - dumped, prepared everything for the GW and dumped. Now it burst, a bit late, of course, something, but if Saddam had not burst in principle. Egypt. They set fire to them and are sitting happy watching people wet each other there. Libya - they bombed and washed their pens, let the "desert animals" figure it out for themselves. In Syria, they would like to seize, they would have struck long ago. And the S-300 would not have helped. Assad cannot withstand a full-scale invasion, and Russia will not intervene either. Since there is nothing to scare with a nuclear club, this is a disposable weapon. In general, recently the Americans have not introduced a specific occupation regime anywhere. All the same, all these fairy tales "about missile defense" are just fairy tales.
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        3. siberalt
          siberalt 22 February 2014 08: 58
          +3
          The gas price in Ukraine does not play a role. There’s nothing to pay anyway. It's like a dead poultice. The country is specially bankrupt. Well, in Russia they don’t understand what can be bought there? But there is something. Market, damn it. These are his laws.
      2. vasiliysxx
        vasiliysxx 22 February 2014 08: 44
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
        Maybe some specialists.

        In principle, Russia has many levers - it’s free to return the price of gas (especially Yulia), and don’t give the next tranche, but simply to send all Western-born Westerners from Ukraine who work illegally, and there probably are such ones, send them home. If desired, they are very easy to find. I'm not talking about the fact that there have already been hints of curtailing Russian business in Ukraine. Naturally! Who will conduct business with such an unreliable partner! So the army is not required!


        They took a Ukrainian from us in Nizhny with a fake passport, transferred money to your opposition accounts, was an eyewitness as our cops (in a good way) grunted him for a golden eagle, specialists work.
      3. Corsair
        Corsair 22 February 2014 11: 18
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        and do not give another tranche
        This has already been done:
        HONG KONG, February 21. / ITAR-TASS /. The Russian authorities have suspended the allocation of a new tranche of financial assistance to Ukraine due to a sharp aggravation of the situation in the country and intend to wait for the situation to stabilize to resume support, Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov said in an interview with Bloomberg. "It was a decision of Russia associated with an unexpected and sharp aggravation of the situation in Ukraine," he said, commenting on the message of the Irish Stock Exchange about Ukraine's refusal to place two-year Eurobonds for $ 2 billion. Russia was supposed to redeem bonds within the already approved financial assistance for $ 15 billion.

        "We planned to allocate the next tranche as part of this decision. However, in the current situation, many questions arise about how these funds will be used and how they will be returned later," Siluanov said. "We need to wait for the situation to clear and stabilize."
        http://itar-tass.com/ekonomika
      4. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 22 February 2014 11: 23
        +1
        it will more affect ordinary people, including YUVU, and "businessmen" will get out of it, sell the remnants of the industry at the price of scrap metal and they will have enough for the rest of their lives, and the people - a fig, and not fruit.
  11. ars_pro
    ars_pro 22 February 2014 06: 47
    +5
    In continuation of Ruslana’s songwriter, she’s now collecting information about Yanyka to speak in the EU with these documents, in which there will be evidence of his usurpation,
    1. 3dmaxsev
      3dmaxsev 22 February 2014 06: 55
      +4
      It’s a pity she doesn’t collect anything about Yushchenko, and so she campaigned for him in 2004.
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 22 February 2014 07: 19
      +6
      Quote: ars_pro
      In continuation of Ruslana’s songwriter, she’s now collecting information about Yanyka to speak in the EU with these documents, in which there will be evidence of his usurpation,


      Yes yanyk on the drum. What will happen to the southeast, that's who you need to worry about ...
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 22 February 2014 09: 25
      +4
      Quote: ars_pro
      In continuation of Ruslana’s songwriter now collects information about Yanyka

      I wonder who and what she wants to find. He is known without her "investigations" as peeling. Better let her look for kerosene for the promised self-immolation in honor of Brussels and the triumph of "Independence".
  12. Arh
    Arh 22 February 2014 06: 52
    +1
    GOOD IF THE SOUTHEAST WILL TAKE THE RIGHT DECISION !!!
  13. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 22 February 2014 06: 57
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    dalikov "a couple of times in the air ...

    Nothing will change. On the Maidan, not so advanced. Well, "Bears" or "Jackie" will fly by. The scream will go, violated the sovereign air space. There are no adequate politicians there. Geirop is just waiting for Russia to make a mistake.
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 22 February 2014 07: 21
      +1
      Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
      Nothing will change. On the Maidan, not so advanced. Well, "Bears" or "Jackie"


      Do you take everything so seriously?
  14. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 22 February 2014 07: 12
    +4
    Quote: Egoza
    Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
    Maybe some specialists.

    In principle, Russia has many levers - it’s free to return the price of gas (especially Yulia), and don’t give the next tranche, but simply to send all Western-born Westerners from Ukraine who work illegally, and there probably are such ones, send them home. If desired, they are very easy to find. I'm not talking about the fact that there have already been hints of curtailing Russian business in Ukraine. Naturally! Who will conduct business with such an unreliable partner! So the army is not required!

    Elena hi It’s not the time to raise the price of gas now. It’s necessary to somehow pull out the Russia’s wandering outskirts. It’s just how? Troops aren’t a solution. Politics are possible, but it’s impossible to deal with dragsters and crazy nicknames. Question will be decided sooner or later. I hope for the best , for our peoples, the side. But if it’s too late, it will be too sad. The battle trunks of the Maidan are a powerful argument for a civil war. They have spread the country. Give free rein to Berkut and the guys will tear all the bastards. Until they simply betrayed them.
  15. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 22 February 2014 07: 17
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Egoza
    Meeting with bread and salt and the corresponding clearing. I will provide flowers !!!

    Elena, but fat is fat will be?
    Quote: Egoza
    "Right Sector" have already announced that they are continuing the "national revolution" and will not stop the armed struggle "against the regime

    The right sector wants power and will not calm down until they get it.

    Alexander! Are you kidding me? Don’t you find it out of place?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 February 2014 07: 27
      +4
      Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

      Alexander! Are you kidding me? Don’t you find it out of place?

      No, I can’t find it! Forgive me, looking at how Yanukovych (like a prostitute) behaved all this time, running from the west to Russia and back, betraying everyone and everything, what’s the result of his policy? I’m just sure that everything is just beginning. Now Putin’s move, what the hell will know him. He’s not stupid and smarter than many of us who are sitting here and therefore difficult to predict. I don’t know what he’s going to do, but he won’t give up Ukraine, it’s impossible.
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 22 February 2014 08: 54
        +4
        Putin will not give up Ukraine. Just because the Russian Federation will not forgive him. In the Russian Federation, a third of the population is Ukraine with Russian citizenship.
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        2. siberalt
          siberalt 22 February 2014 09: 03
          +2
          Yeah, and 5-6 percent in the Russian Federation with Ukrainian citizenship.
  16. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 22 February 2014 07: 24
    +1
    Quote: Semen Semenych
    Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
    Nothing will change. On the Maidan, not so advanced. Well, "Bears" or "Jackie"


    Do you take everything so seriously?

    What is happening in Kiev? Yes.
  17. dddym
    dddym 22 February 2014 07: 31
    +5
    All this is very sad. The betrayal of a private in the war - leads to the death of a platoon, com regiment - to the death of the regiment, then the Supreme Commander betrayed - the South-East will never put up with this. Ukraine, as Globa predicted, has ceased to be a country. They are talking about ending the bloodshed. Losses 1500 people - now there will be losses measured in tens of thousands ... Treason of Yanukovych will cost tens of thousands of Ukrainians -! How weak we are still !!! But our weakness is that we are not united! Workers of all countries - unite! El pueblo unido jamás será vencido!
    1. Ustas
      Ustas 22 February 2014 09: 34
      +2
      Quote: dddym
      ! But our weakness is that we are not united! Workers of all countries - unite! El pueblo unido jamás será vencido!

      I am for!
    2. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 22 February 2014 11: 35
      0
      Quote: dddym
      Workers of all countries - unite! El pueblo unido jamás será vencido!

      No pasaran !!
  18. Khan
    Khan 22 February 2014 07: 40
    +2
    I think there will be a division of Ukraine or it has already been divided. Crimea and eastern Ukraine will leave for Russia, and after a certain time the west of Ukraine will experience even greater poverty, for which they fought and ran.
  19. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 22 February 2014 07: 49
    +4
    from the Don.
    Yes!. Much will be determined in Kharkov! We can assume Yanyk’s justification by not allowing a large number of victims, the creation of self-defense units in the Southeast, demanding to restore order, maybe even separation from Kiev!
    1. saag
      saag 22 February 2014 07: 58
      +1
      but in this case one more hotbed of tension is obtained - in the Crimea, the Tatars there declared that they would not allow the division of Ukraine, and these are two fronts, no, they won’t withstand such a confrontation, this is an impression of reigning indifference
  20. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 22 February 2014 07: 49
    +1
    hi [quote = Alexander romanov] [quote = dmitrij.blyuz]
    Alexander! Are you kidding me? Do not find that out of place? [/ Quote]
    No, I can’t find it! You are simply looking at how Yanukovych behaved all this time (as a prostitute), running from the west to Russia and back, betraying everyone and everything, what’s the result of his policy? I’m just sure that everything is just beginning. Now Putin’s move, what the hell will know him. He’s not stupid and smarter than many of us who are sitting here, and therefore difficult to predict. I don’t know what he’s going to do, but he won’t give up Ukraine, it’s impossible.
    The President was counting on his will. Oshibsya. He turned out to be like fat. What the GDP will do, of course, we will find out after the measures taken. What they will be, the question is still the same. And about- "Are you kidding?" Elena. She is practically at war. Or is it that you wanted to cheer her up? hi
  21. saag
    saag 22 February 2014 07: 55
    +2
    Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
    but he will not give up Ukraine, it’s impossible.

    will give up, the moment "not to give up" has already been missed, now he only has to go in the wake of events, Ukraine has always been surrendered, in any war, only then they returned back
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 22 February 2014 09: 22
      +2
      Quote: saag
      the moment "not to give up" has already been missed,

      Ombudsman for Human Rights in the Russian Federation Vladimir Lukin considers it a mistake to delay Russia's involvement in negotiations between the Ukrainian authorities, the opposition and EU representatives.
      "The representatives of the European Union tried to be useful in their own way. They began to negotiate. We joined these negotiations later, which is not entirely correct. It was necessary from the very beginning to agree on the format of the negotiations," Lukin said on Friday evening after returning to Moscow from Kiev.
      "In general, the negotiations remained incomplete, but they were not useless," he said.

      Lukin was almost a day with an intermediary mission in Ukraine. He participated in the negotiations of the Ukrainian leadership, representatives of the opposition and EU countries. BUT AGREEMENT HE DO NOT SIGN !!!!
  22. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 22 February 2014 08: 03
    +1
    but he won’t give up Ukraine, it’s impossible. Not my post. This is to Alexander Romanov.
  23. Neophyte
    Neophyte 22 February 2014 08: 47
    +1
    The old man’s education is bad! Russia sent troops to South Ossetia, and not to
    Georgia. Well, oh well! In the USA, no one knows where Georgia is!
    With a fright, having eaten popcorn, we thought that to the state of Georgia!
    Of course, Russia is not going to send troops into Ukraine. We have a lot
    economic leverage. Unfortunately, the population of Ukraine
    will have to be very tight in the conditions of the eternal Maidan.
    a true leader who can rally the nation.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 22 February 2014 10: 01
      +1
      Quote: Neophyte
      The old man’s education is bad! Russia sent troops to South Ossetia, and not to
      Georgia. Well, oh well! In the USA, no one knows where Georgia is!

      With the education of the "old man" just everything is "OK", "old school" ...
      Americans consider Abkhazia and South Ossetia a PART OF GEORGIA, therefore, the "old man" did not fail to remind us of this once again ...
  24. santush
    santush 22 February 2014 09: 09
    +4
    Russia, at least save the southeast ...
  25. Galan
    Galan 22 February 2014 09: 20
    0
    "In the case of Ukraine, the problem is completely different. Ukrainians are the most developed of the peoples under Russian rule at present. In general, they are offended by Russian domination; their nationalist organizations abroad are active, they listen to them. It would be easy to come to the conclusion that they must finally get freedom from Russian rule and realize themselves as an independent state.
    We must be very careful with this conclusion. Simplicity itself makes it unsuitable in conditions of East European reality.
    Indeed, Ukrainians have been unhappy under Russian rule and something needs to be done to protect their position in the future. But there are a number of essential nuances that should not be overlooked. While the Ukrainians were an important and essential element of the Russian Empire, they did not show any signs of a "nation" capable of successfully and responsibly bearing the burden of independence in the face of the strongest Russian opposition. Ukraine is not a clearly defined ethnic or geographic concept. In general, the population of Ukraine was initially formed mainly from refugees from Russian and Polish despotism and is difficult to distinguish in the shadow of Russian or Polish nationality. There is no clear dividing line between Russia and Ukraine, and it is difficult to establish one. The cities on Ukrainian territory were mostly Russian and Jewish. The real basis of "Ukrainianism" is the "differences" of a specific peasant dialect and a slight difference in customs and folklore between regions of the country. The political agitation observed is largely the work of a few romantic-minded intellectuals who have little understanding of the responsibility of government. "
    1. oracul
      oracul 22 February 2014 09: 49
      +1
      How! This is where the Ukrainians were unhappy under the control of Russia, if the Russian elite is simply packed with people who are either ethnic Ukrainians or with Ukrainian roots. I advise you to pay attention that only the Russian government is multinational in its composition, while in the former Soviet republics the process of squeezing Russians out of the sphere of government and attempts to assimilate them has passed or continues (the prohibition to teach in schools and universities and educate in kindergartens in Russian, the spelling surnames and names in national transcription, etc.). And about the "romantic intellectuals" - do not forget that hell is paved with good intentions.
    2. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 22 February 2014 11: 45
      0
      Quote: galan
      “In the case of Ukraine, the problem is completely different. The Ukrainians are the most developed of the peoples under Russian rule at present.

      Galan, and whom do we quote? or is it YOUR personal opinion, then why quotes. If this is your opinion, then it is possible in more detail, in what was expressed the "unhappiness" of the Ukrainians under the control of the Republic of Ingushetia, in contrast to their Russian contemporaries, in the history of some significant difference is imperceptible.
      1. Galan
        Galan 22 February 2014 12: 19
        +1
        See below, then it will become clear with quotation marks. A source: US National Security Council Directive 20/1 of August 18, 1948
        from the collection
        Thomas H. Etzold and John Lewis Gaddis, eds.,
        Containment: Documents on American Policy and Strategy,
        1945-1950
        In general, it is not a matter of separate passages of the document, but of the view of American politicians of the 40s on the problem as a whole. In Ukraine, the Russian people are united with Russia, since it was formed from fugitives from both Poland and Russia. Galicia is a completely different and the border between Ukraine and Galicia is the border between Orthodoxy and Catholicism. The Catholic West has now deliberately moved its natural border to the Kursk, Oryol, and Rostov regions. This is aggression.
  26. Galan
    Galan 22 February 2014 09: 23
    +2
    "The economy of Ukraine is inextricably intertwined with the economy of Russia into a single whole. There has never been any economic division since the territory was conquered from the nomadic Tatars and began to be mastered by a sedentary population. An attempt to tear it away from the Russian economy and form something independent would be just as artificial and destructive, like an attempt to separate the Grain Belt, including the Great Lakes, from the United States economy.
    Moreover, the people who speak the Ukrainian dialect, like the people who speak the Belarusian dialect, are split according to a feature that in Eastern Europe has always been a genuine sign of nationality: namely, religion. If some real border can be drawn across Ukraine, then it would be logical the border between areas traditionally gravitated to the Eastern Church and areas gravitated to the Roman Church.
    Finally, we cannot remain indifferent to the feelings of the Great Russians themselves. They were the most powerful national element of the Russian Empire, now they are in the Soviet Union. They will remain the strongest national element in this space, whatever their status. Long-term US policy should be based on their recognition and their cooperation. Ukrainian territory is as much a part of their national heritage as the Midwest is part of ours, and they are aware of this fact. The decision, which will try to completely separate Ukraine from the rest of Russia, involves incurring disapproval and resistance from its side and, as the analysis shows, can only be supported by force. There is a real possibility that the Great Russians can be persuaded to accept the return of independence to the Baltic states. They put up with the freedom of these territories from Russia for a long period in the past, and they recognize, if not by reason, then subconsciously, that these peoples are capable of independence. In relation to Ukrainians, the situation is different. They are too close to Russians to be able to successfully organize themselves into something completely different. Better or worse, they will build their destiny in the form of some kind of special connection with the Great Russian people. "
  27. Galan
    Galan 22 February 2014 09: 29
    0
    “It seems clear that the best of such ties will be a federation, in which Ukraine will enjoy a significant degree of political and cultural autonomy, but will not be economically or militarily independent. Such a relationship will fully satisfy the requirements of the Great Russians themselves and apparently correspond to the framework that should be limited to US tasks in relation to Ukraine. "
    US National Security Council Directive 20/1 of August 18, 1948
    from the collection
    Thomas H. Etzold and John Lewis Gaddis, eds.,
    Containment: Documents on American Policy and Strategy,
    1945-1950
    The Anglo-Saka establishment, in comparison with its predecessors, has degraded and is completely detached from reality. There is nothing more to add.
    1. Capyar 48315
      Capyar 48315 22 February 2014 10: 37
      +1
      At the expense of degradation I would argue. Everything that happens (and not only in Ukraine) is a global check of us for lice. In fairness, I must say. that we would play the same games if we allowed the opportunity
    2. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 22 February 2014 11: 47
      +1
      but it’s that, the directive of the US NSS, arrogant, then it’s clear, I apologize
  28. region46
    region46 22 February 2014 09: 32
    -1
    Quote: Neophyte
    The old man’s education is bad! Russia sent troops to South Ossetia, and not to
    Georgia. Well, oh well! In the USA, no one knows where Georgia is!
    With a fright, having eaten popcorn, we thought that to the state of Georgia!
    Of course, Russia is not going to send troops into Ukraine. We have a lot
    economic leverage. Unfortunately, the population of Ukraine
    will have to be very tight in the conditions of the eternal Maidan.
    a true leader who can rally the nation.

    and South Ossetia is part of what? isn't Georgia an hour? buy a world map
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 22 February 2014 13: 22
      0
      South Ossetia is part of South Ossetia.
  29. Skif
    Skif 22 February 2014 09: 43
    +3
    And the old man, along the way, is still sane) Seriously, under normal Russian politics, only unprofitable Bender regions will break off to the West (they need a way there, they will remember the Pshek massacre in the war)
  30. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 22 February 2014 09: 47
    0
    Rare, for the American political scientist, sobriety look.
  31. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 22 February 2014 09: 57
    +1
    As if everything is correctly written. But there is one interesting point. The fact is that the division of Ukraine is already a defeat for Kiev and Moscow. Since this will create another precedent for the Kremlin’s weakness and give a signal for something similar in other regions of Russia or countries that (the former Union) Russia considers to be the original and legal spheres of its influence.
    Those. a person says something sober and obvious, but still promotes a pro-American theme.

    The article is neutral. Chew, see.
  32. RUSLAN39
    RUSLAN39 22 February 2014 10: 11
    0
    The option with the introduction of troops will become relevant only if political and economic actions fail.
    - Isn't that obvious and predictable? Immediately obvious - American professor)).
  33. Capyar 48315
    Capyar 48315 22 February 2014 10: 19
    0
    retired grandfather, that cuts the truth of the uterus. I’d be in the State Department’s choir. But seriously, the alignment is now finally looming in the South-East / no wonder Yanukovych was soaped up \ And now if they go to the end it is quite possible to send troops \ or all-round military-material and financial support
  34. Sultan
    Sultan 22 February 2014 11: 00
    +1
    Quote: ars_pro
    Already today it will be clear what will happen with such a project as Ukraine, it will be decided sooner in Kharkov, the division and separation of the southeast is quite a possible scenario, if the guys keep Kharkov, we are waiting for provocations from the right-wingers, but it’s better not to let them get to Kharkov, stop in the bud because they will shoot, brawls of ordinary people are not as terrible as provocations of Westerners!

    Sounds like the truth. It is in eastern Ukraine that there are charismatic leaders capable of governing the country, only they have to remain silent in this situation. To bet on the most valuable in Ukraine - on the professionalism of workers, engineers and scientists, who can counter the arguments with 100% overlap to the cries of troglodytes - Zapadentsev ... In fact, in the west of Ukraine there are adequate people who want to live peacefully and feed their families . They also understand that they have no future with the bourgeois. Only Nazi policemen are henchmen before European handouts. Give prosperity to the people and the people will be satisfied and will deal with troublemakers themselves. A stranger cannot warm and help just like this can be a close relative. Ukrainians are a piece of our blood, and in any case, we should not turn our backs on our loved ones, on the contrary, it is necessary to support and help get out of a difficult situation ...
  35. Sultan
    Sultan 22 February 2014 11: 06
    0
    Richard Pipes is telling the truth - do not push the Victoria Nuland, otherwise they will earn a hernia for nothing ... He perfectly understands that the game is not worth the candle for P. Indosia. All-in are going, being confident in their success or fools ... Just call them fools a little - you need to spread them on the wall like bugs so that they don't crawl and stink anymore
  36. Leshka
    Leshka 22 February 2014 19: 52
    0
    quite possibly