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Lavrov presented a bouquet of accusations to the West because of Ukraine: double standards, perverted information

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Lavrov presented a bouquet of accusations to the West because of Ukraine: double standards, perverted information.


While the European Union continues to discuss possible sanctions against Ukraine and measures to influence Ukrainian officials responsible for the escalation of violence, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov broke out in a speech addressed to the EU and the US, bringing a whole bunch of accusations to the West.

"Our Western partners - in Europe and the USA - are laying the blame on the country's authorities and do not qualify the actions of extremists as they should be," and Russia is very worried, Lavrov said at a press conference in Baghdad. “Because there are double standards, and instead they threaten with sanctions, not only threaten, but the Americans have already introduced, and thus create an additional incentive for the opposition to uncompromising,” Interfax quotes the head of Russian diplomacy.

The demands to hold early elections in Ukraine are aimed at imposing a choice in favor of Europe to Kiev, Lavrov is sure. "You, probably, have repeatedly heard - from Western European capitals there were demands to ensure freedom of choice for the Ukrainian people, and right there it was added - a choice in favor of the European Union," he said.

“The goal - to impose, in essence, this choice on the Ukrainian leadership - is also noticeable in the initiatives that are being put forward: the requirement to hold parliamentary, early presidential elections as soon as possible, to form a coalition government, that is, they are actually already trying to predetermine them”, - the minister said.

“Special surprise” in Moscow is caused by recent statements from Washington regarding the situation in Ukraine, in particular, the statements of the American representatives that “they, they say, do not understand Russia's position or do not know what Russia is saying to Ukrainian representatives,” Lavrov added .

The Russian position on Ukraine is very clear, and Moscow speaks about it publicly, Lavrov stressed. “Our position is that all external players, as well as the Ukrainian opposition, must decisively and urgently dissociate themselves from extremists, other radicals, anti-Semites, must be done unequivocally and reinforce their words with concrete deeds,” the minister listed.

Earlier, the Foreign Ministry of the Russian Federation has already called the aggravation of the confrontation in Ukraine "a direct result of the policy of connivance on the part of those Western politicians and European structures who, from the very beginning of the crisis, turn a blind eye to the aggressive actions of radical forces in Ukraine, thereby encouraging them to escalate and provoke legitimate authority. "

Western media reports on the situation in Ukraine "in an extremely perverted form"

Among other things, in Moscow, "deeply" are concerned about how what is happening in Ukraine is served in the Western media, Lavrov said in Baghdad. “The situation in the Western media is presented in an extremely perverted form,” the minister stressed. “Simple formulas like“ The West urges the government not to touch the Maidan, ”although they prefer not to talk about Maidan.”

At the same time, the Western media, according to Lavrov, keep silent about the facts of violence against the governors in various regions of Ukraine, as well as facts related to attempts to seize armory warehouses, call on the exclusively government side to stop violence against peaceful demonstrators.

"In reports from the scene in the Western media you can hardly find any mention of such an organization as the Right Sector, which openly declared that it would not cooperate either with the government or with the opposition, and in general this movement will act in such a way that it considers it necessary. And they act by radical extremist methods, including the regular use of force, "said Lavrov. At the same time, “the opposition cannot or does not want to dissociate itself from extremists,” the Russian foreign minister added.
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  1. Orel
    Orel 21 February 2014 07: 44
    +22
    Air shake and no effect. We lost Ukraine much earlier. NGOs and the media did not invest in propaganda, while the West and the USA managed to fill in the information space of Ukraine and instill their ideas during this time ...
    1. Denis
      Denis 21 February 2014 07: 53
      +9
      Quote: Orel
      Air shake and no effect. We lost Ukraine much earlier. NGOs and the media did not invest in propaganda, while the West and the USA managed to fill in the information space of Ukraine and instill their ideas during this time ...

      It is not necessary to bring charges but ACTIONS TO TAKE!
      1. Orel
        Orel 21 February 2014 08: 17
        +4
        It is not necessary to bring charges but ACTIONS TO TAKE!


        There are times when it’s too late to act. You just need to draw conclusions and start from the very beginning. Just keep in mind that the disposition in Ukraine is now not in our favor, and the Russian-language resource that was there after the collapse of the USSR was already pretty depleted, and to mobilize and multiply it will require orders of magnitude greater resources and efforts than was possible a few years ago. ..
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 21 February 2014 09: 05
          +2
          Quote: Orel
          There are times when it’s too late to act. You just need to draw conclusions and start from the very beginning. Just keep in mind that the disposition in Ukraine is now not in our favor, and that Russian-language resource that was there after the collapse of the USSR was already pretty depleted

          I do not agree.
          "Russian-speaking resource" "slept in a yoke", also imagined himself to be an advanced European, all these years, yes, too, I must say, "to be honest - there were also dogs and between ours, they already accepted their faith." On this site, at least one representative of the independent (with rare exceptions) wrote at least once: are we, they say, bad, disgrace with us? No, the words are different: in Russia, de, it is even worse, but here "the armor is strong and the tanks are fast."
          And here they do not write particularly ardent banderlogs.
          And now, you see,
          Quote: Denis
          ACTION TO TAKE!

          What kind? Just do not bear the blizzard of the introduction of troops, at least at the present stage. The troops themselves, once or twice, counted off, and in their composition there were thousands of 300-400 conscripts who had not served for a year, plus a sea of ​​negative filth from such a step.
          What to do, what to do? what
          In my opinion, in every way, i.e. politically, financially, organizationally, military-technically to support the healthy forces of the South = East and Crimea, with further integration into the Russian Federation.
          And the sooner politically, or physically, crashed Yanukovych crashes, the sooner such a scenario is possible.
          But the first violin, even with the support of the Russian Federation, should wake up and play this very "Russian-language resource".
          1. Orel
            Orel 21 February 2014 09: 15
            +3
            Just do not bear the blizzard of the introduction of troops, at least at the present stage.


            I agree with you. The deployment of troops will only aggravate the situation. Now we need to prepare the anti-Bender and pro-Russian opposition, this is a lot of money, a lot of effort and a lot of time. Whether this will allow us and whether the political leadership of Russia will be decisive is a big question. Let's hope...
          2. CALL.
            CALL. 21 February 2014 11: 22
            +1
            Quote: Alekseev
            But the first violin, even with the support of the Russian Federation, should wake up and play this very "Russian-language resource".

      2. the polar
        the polar 21 February 2014 10: 52
        0
        Quote: Denis
        Quote: Orel
        Air shake and no effect. We lost Ukraine much earlier. NGOs and the media did not invest in propaganda, while the West and the USA managed to fill in the information space of Ukraine and instill their ideas during this time ...

        It is not necessary to bring charges but ACTIONS TO TAKE!

        But don’t you know that the AUTHORITY should be taken by the AUTHORITY, which has all the tools for this and which the taxpayers contain for this purpose.
        At the same time share what ACTION! have you taken
    2. svp67
      svp67 21 February 2014 08: 16
      +10
      Quote: Orel
      Air shake and no effect. We lost Ukraine much earlier

      We DO NOT LOSE, we, by our stupidity and laziness, gave the opponent FORA, and now we need to recoup ... but anyway - THE VICTORY WILL BE OURSELVES !!!
      1. svp67
        svp67 21 February 2014 08: 22
        +7
        I noticed for a long time the presence of a "liberal underground" on the site ... "Minusists" - you argue that you do not like that ... or you will be from the "underground" ... But there are too many rats and dirt in the underground ...
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 21 February 2014 08: 38
          +4
          Quote: svp67
          or so you will be from the "underground"

          That's why they are liberals. smile
      2. sergey32
        sergey32 21 February 2014 09: 14
        +3
        We did not lose, the Ukrainians lost. Ukraine has become a scarecrow for us, it shows how to live. The exit is now in the unification of the southeast. These regions should fully take power on their territory, prevent Bandera’s evil from coming to their place, not transfer taxes to rebel Kiev, and not feed the bandits.
      3. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 10: 00
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        we, in our stupidity and laziness, gave the enemy FORA, and now we need to recoup ... but anyway - THE VICTORY WILL BE OURSELVES !!!

        not stupidity and not laziness ...
        you apparently forgot what happened 10 years ago ...
        then we could not help the Russians in Ukraine in any way, since we ourselves had problems and debts above the roof ...

        as for now, it is impossible to level the 20-year head start that the usa received in 2-3 years ...
        however, we have two more problems:
        1. there is no clear idea that could attract Ukrainians (not only Russians in Crimea)
        2. a significant part of Ukraine stupidly hates us, another part simply does not love or despises ... and it has been like this for more than a dozen years ... remember probably the secret "mos * kali ate all the bacon" ...

        and you want to rectify the situation right here and now ...

        so minus you deserve shortsightedness and not taking into account many factors, I hope I explained it is available ...
        1. svp67
          svp67 21 February 2014 10: 26
          0
          Quote: DanaF1
          . there is no clear idea that could attract Ukrainians (not only Russians in Crimea)

          She IS and lies openly - THE FIGHT AGAINST STRENGTHENING NAZISM !!!
          Quote: DanaF1
          ... a significant part of Ukraine stupidly hates us, another part simply does not like or despises ... and it has been like this for more than a dozen years ... remember probably the secret "mos * kali ate all the bacon" ..
          If this part of Ukraine is now proposed to be fought not FOR RUSSIA, but AGAINST BENDERTS, they will become our allies, but then we need to work on the correction of earlier mistakes. The mentality of the population is such that it is easier for them to unite AGAINST ANYTHING than FOR ...
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 10: 52
            -1
            Quote: svp67
            She IS and lies openly - THE FIGHT AGAINST STRENGTHENING NAZISM !!!

            Yes, the Nazis only showed their true faces, before this march does not count ...
            this idea would not have united people 2-3 years ago, but now it’s too late ...

            Quote: svp67
            If this part of Ukraine is now proposed to be fought not FOR RUSSIA, but AGAINST BENDERTS, they will become our allies, but then we need to work on the correction of earlier mistakes. The mentality of the population is such that it is easier for them to unite AGAINST ANYTHING than FOR ...

            let them not fight, for "let it be so" ...
            you do not take into account the different level of passionarity of the east and west ...
            1. svp67
              svp67 21 February 2014 11: 09
              -1
              Quote: DanaF1
              Yes, the Nazis only showed their true faces, before this march does not count ...
              this idea would not have united people 2-3 years ago, but now it’s too late ...

              If our grandfathers thought so during the Great Patriotic War, then we would not discuss this issue with you now, at best if we would have done "arbayt" if we lived at all ...
              I will remind everyone the words of Captain Lieutenant KOLESNIKOV
              "... don't despair!" I'd rather not say it.
              1. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 11: 45
                -4
                Quote: svp67
                If our grandfathers thought so during the Great Patriotic War, then we would not discuss this issue with you now, at best if we would have done "arbayt" if we lived at all ...

                Yes, what does the Second World War?
                back in the years 37-38, for that matter, we trained Hitler pilots at our bases ...
                and in the 41st it was already too late, the Goering aces were in the sky ...

                also now, a couple of years ago, no one thought that the Nazis could seize power, and now it’s too late to rush about ... the war has already begun ...
                1. svp67
                  svp67 21 February 2014 11: 52
                  0
                  Quote: DanaF1
                  back in the years 37-38, for that matter, we trained Hitler pilots at our bases ...

                  Do you have proof of this? Yes, to the studio ...
                  Quote: DanaF1
                  also now, a couple of years ago, no one thought that the Nazis could seize power, and now it’s too late to rush about ... the war has already begun ...

                  You are a defeatist, the Nazis did not seize power, and they will not seize, in any situation they will be crushed by both of these ... And in your words there is no logic
                  "either they seized power" - and everyone surrendered, or "the war is going on", which means there is a struggle ...
                  1. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 12: 01
                    -2
                    Quote: svp67
                    Do you have proof of this? Yes, to the studio ...

                    actually find yourself ...
                    if I’m not mistaken, there were 120 of them ...
                    Quote: svp67
                    You are a defeatist, the Nazis did not seize power, and they will not seize

                    Seriously? Well, then you simply are not adequate ...
                    what is happening in Lviv?
                    or maybe there the fascists did not seize power, but collected flowers in the field?
                    Quote: svp67
                    in any case, they will be crushed by both of these ...

                    who will crush them ... surname please ...
                    Quote: svp67
                    "either they seized power" - and everyone surrendered, or "the war is going on", which means there is a struggle ...

                    in 1917 the Bolsheviks seized power, and the civil war went on for another 4 years ...
                    kindergarten, honestly ...
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 21 February 2014 12: 11
                      0
                      Quote: DanaF1
                      actually find yourself ...
                      Already do a favor madam, show me WHERE 120 pilots of the Luftwaffe studied in 1936-37 on the territory of the USSR.
                      Quote: DanaF1
                      Seriously? Well, then you simply are not adequate ...
                      what is happening in Lviv?
                      or maybe there the fascists did not seize power, but collected flowers in the field?

                      But what are you talking about, well, this problem can be solved as easy as shelling pears, it is enough just to "cut off state funding" and the power will again return to the central government ...
                      And what about not "adequate"? Madam, do you want to run into a reciprocal insult?
                      Quote: DanaF1
                      who will crush them ... surname please ...
                      Read and study history, allowing such "activists" to undermine the power, those who then seize this power, "destroy", and physically all "activists". So, if Klitschko is the future president, he will crush them and will ...
                      Quote: DanaF1
                      in 1917 the Bolsheviks seized power, and the civil war went on for another 4 years ...
                      kindergarten, honestly ...
                      The civil war is not a kindergarten, and by the way, in Hungary the communists were "crushed", as in Germany, and the Bolsheviks were "hanging by a thread" for a very long time ... Each side has chances in the struggle, you just need to be able to see them and use in time ...
                      1. Danafxnumx
                        Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 12: 45
                        -2
                        Quote: svp67
                        And what about not "adequate"? Madam, do you want to run into a reciprocal insult?

                        you already insulted me ... and got an answer ... what don't you like?
                        Quote: svp67
                        But what are you talking about, well, this problem can be solved as easy as shelling pears, it is enough just to "cut off state funding" and the power will again return to the central government ...

                        nonsense ... they will now be supported by money ...
                        but the center of the money already doesn’t ...
                        Quote: svp67
                        Civil war is not a kindergarten,

                        civil war is not a kindergarten ...
                        kindergarten - your statements ...
                      2. svp67
                        svp67 21 February 2014 13: 37
                        0
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        you already insulted me ... and got an answer ... what don't you like?

                        Than? The one that called you A DEATHER? Sorry, I’m wrong - you are a POROSHENKA and your whole ideology is PORROSPECT, even after losing a battle you have to think about what to do to win the war and not lay down your arms and hands ... And you are calling for this ...
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        nonsense ... they will now be supported by money ...
                        Who is the WEST? It will not last long, since the West already has financial problems "above the roof", and they do not really need some "Ukrainian parasites" ...
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        civil war is not a kindergarten ...
                        kindergarten - your statements ...
                        Well, to each his own, I at least rely on a story that you don’t know and do not seem to want to know, but this is the history of your country ...
                      3. Danafxnumx
                        Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 14: 09
                        -2
                        Quote: svp67
                        The one that called you A DEATHER? Sorry, I’m wrong - you are a POROSHENKA and your whole ideology is PORROSPECT, even having lost a battle, you need to think what to do to win the war and not lay down your arms and hands ... And you are calling for this ...

                        I urge sensible deliberate action ...
                        apparently for you the mind is an empty phrase ...
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                      5. svp67
                        svp67 21 February 2014 14: 17
                        0
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        I urge sensible deliberate action ...
                        apparently for you the mind is an empty phrase ...

                        What actions are you calling for? While I hear from you only "EVERYTHING IS LOST, EVERYTHING IS LOST ..."
                      6. Danafxnumx
                        Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 14: 22
                        -2
                        Quote: svp67
                        While I hear from you only "EVERYTHING IS LOST, EVERYTHING IS LOST ..."

                        you have glitches ... tie with pills, it’s harmful ...

                        I urge now to wait what will happen next ...
                        wait for the end of the Olympics ...
                        wait for what Putin will do ...

                        he is smarter than you and I have more information than ours ...
                      7. svp67
                        svp67 21 February 2014 14: 26
                        0
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        he is smarter than you and I have more information than ours ...
                        Where is Slavery from? The fact that he has more information I agree, but about "smarter" ... everyone has their own opinion ...

                        Quote: DanaF1
                        I urge now to wait what will happen next ...
                        wait for the end of the Olympics ...
                        wait for what Putin will do ...

                        Well now, at least something is clear ...
                        But - LEARN THE HISTORY, but somehow ashamed of the younger generation, they don’t know elementary things ...

                        Quote: DanaF1
                        you have glitches ... tie with pills, it’s harmful ...

                        Shouldn't you ascribe your "sins" to others, or are they no longer taught this in kindergartens?
  2. svp67
    svp67 21 February 2014 11: 44
    +1
    Quote: DanaF1
    let them not fight, for "let it be so" ...
    you do not take into account the different level of passionarity of the east and west ...

    I myself am from the east of Ukraine and I know what I am talking about ... People need a leader, but alas, he doesn’t ... But there are people, many will simply go against the "Bandera" out of a sense of self-preservation, and such statements make you think about a lot ...
    1. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 12: 02
      -1
      Quote: svp67
      People need a leader, but, alas, they do not exist ... But there are people, many simply out of a sense of self-preservation will go against the Bandera, and such statements make you think about a lot ...

      until the leader appears, many of the feelings of self-preservation will sit quietly ...
      You can’t go against well-organized militants if there is no ammunition and a command center ...

      what are you calling for?
  • svp67
    svp67 21 February 2014 11: 05
    +1
    Quote: DanaF1
    not stupidity and not laziness ...
    you apparently forgot what happened 10 years ago ...
    then we could not help the Russians in Ukraine in any way, since we ourselves had problems and debts above the roof ...
    And it was not necessary to help the whole Ukraine with money, it was just not necessary to quit ... those who supported pro-Russian views and worked more intensively in the media ...
    1. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 11: 46
      -1
      Quote: svp67
      you just had to not quit ...

      What does it mean to throw? and what to do with them?
      Quote: svp67
      in mass media...

      The media in Ukraine belong to the oligarchs, how do you propose non-alien channels to conduct our campaign?
      1. svp67
        svp67 21 February 2014 11: 57
        +1
        Quote: DanaF1
        What does it mean to throw? and what to do with them?
        Support. In many ways, it would be enough for people that Russia remembers them and is always ready to help. Moreover, it was necessary to invite children from Ukraine to study at our universities, that is, to educate people in the spirit of unity ...
        Quote: DanaF1
        The media in Ukraine belong to the oligarchs, how do you propose non-alien channels to conduct our campaign?

        One might think that our oligarchs are few there, which means they can buy or organize "pro-Russian channels, radio, newspapers" ... We didn’t do anything at all ...
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 12: 06
          -1
          Quote: svp67
          In many ways, it would be enough for people that Russia remembers them and is always ready to help.

          interference in internal affairs ...
          Quote: svp67
          Moreover, it was necessary to invite children from Ukraine to study at our universities, that is, to educate people in the spirit of unity ...

          invite? at the expense of whom? at the expense of our guys? for our money?
          Do you understand what is happening in universities?
          For example, do you know that the same tower or ballet are breeding grounds for liberalism?
          Quote: svp67
          One might think that our oligarchs are few there, which means they can buy or organize "pro-Russian channels, radio, newspapers" ... We didn’t do anything at all ...

          I do not know who our oligarchs are for you ...
          our central channels broadcast there, what else is needed?
          1. svp67
            svp67 21 February 2014 12: 20
            +1
            Quote: DanaF1
            interference in internal affairs ...
            Stupidity ... Do not be young children, it is a common practice and DO NOT INTERFERE, but INFLUENCE, feel the difference and take off your pink glasses ...
            Quote: DanaF1
            invite? at the expense of whom? at the expense of our guys? for our money?
            Do you understand what is happening in universities?
            For example, do you know that the same tower or ballet are breeding grounds for liberalism?

            Ukraine needs more technical specialists, so Ukrainian guys have always studied at Baumank and MAI ... Are there "liberals" too?
            Quote: DanaF1
            I do not know who our oligarchs are for you ...
            our central channels broadcast there, what else is needed?

            This is not enough, propaganda must be carried out on a "broad front", including through the Ukrainian media ...
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 12: 47
              -1
              Quote: svp67
              Ukraine needs more technical specialists, so Ukrainian guys have always studied at Baumank and MAI ... Are there "liberals" too?

              in Baumanka and the Moscow Aviation Institute a competition of 15 people per place ... are you offering them just to give to the Slav brothers?
              we, by the way, also need specialists ...

              Quote: svp67
              This is not enough, propaganda must be carried out on a "broad front", including through the Ukrainian media ...

              I already explained why we cannot conduct propaganda ...
              explain again or are you re-reading?
  • Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 21 February 2014 11: 42
    0
    1. there is no clear idea that could attract Ukrainians (not only Russians in Crimea)
    Let me disagree with you. The idea is there. It's just that it is so unique, and created such a threat to the integrity of Ukraine that it was crushed both during the Soviet era and in the post-Soviet period. This idea is called "Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic". The essence of the idea: unification according to the ECONOMIC principle, and not according to the national principle. In fact, this is the forerunner of the customs union.
    2. a significant part of Ukraine stupidly hates us, another part simply does not love or despises ... and it has been like this for more than a dozen years ... remember probably the secret "mos * kali ate all the bacon" ...
    I’ll clarify a significant part of WESTERN Ukraine, and liberals of all stripes needless to say. Donbass and the South can not hate Russia in principle. About the center - well, here, excuse me, you are to blame, the Americans are waging an information war without stopping, and you (and ours too) still do not even believe in its existence.
    1. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 11: 51
      -2
      Quote: Egor-dis
      Let me disagree with you. The idea is there. It's just that it is so unique, and created such a threat to the integrity of Ukraine that it was crushed both during the Soviet era and in the post-Soviet period. This idea is called "Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic". The essence of the idea: unification according to the ECONOMIC principle, and not according to the national principle. In fact, this is the forerunner of the customs union.

      so what did not come together? You’ve been independent for 23 years, and everyone expects us to come and feed ...
      where was YOUR POWER ... after all, she was only combing herself when her real removal from the feeding trough loomed ...
      Quote: Egor-dis
      Well, liberals of all stripes needless to say. Donbass and the South can not hate Russia in principle.

      yes really, hostile propaganda affects your youth no worse than ours ...
      Quote: Egor-dis
      About the center - well, here, excuse me, you yourself are to blame

      and again we are to blame, but you have "my house is on the edge, I don't know anything" ...
      Quote: Egor-dis
      Americans are waging an information war without stopping, and you (and ours too) still do not even believe in its existence.

      even as we believe and even fight ...
      only they have been waging an information war for 60 years, and we are few (since the creation of the Republic of Tatarstan) ...
      Naturally, the forces are not initially equal ...
      1. Egor-dis
        Egor-dis 21 February 2014 21: 27
        0
        Quote: DanaF1
        so what did not come together? You’ve been independent for 23 years, and everyone expects us to come and feed ...
        where was YOUR POWER ... after all, she was only combing herself when her real removal from the feeding trough loomed ...

        What are you talking about now? Do you even understand what I wrote about, or just met familiar words and turned on the hackneyed stamps in response?
        Quote: DanaF1
        yes really, hostile propaganda affects your youth no worse than ours ...
        And this is like radiation, it depends on the dose.
        Quote: DanaF1
        and again we are to blame, but you have "my house is on the edge, I don't know anything" ...
        Why so much snobbery?
        Quote: DanaF1
        even as we believe and even fight ...
        only they have been waging an information war for 60 years, and we are few (since the creation of the Republic of Tatarstan) ...
        Naturally, the forces are not initially equal ...
        Yeah, I see how you fight. It seems that the West won you specifically in the information war.
    2. svp67
      svp67 21 February 2014 12: 00
      0
      Quote: Egor-dis
      About the center - well, here, excuse me, you are to blame, the Americans are waging an information war without stopping, and you (and ours too) still do not even believe in its existence.

      Judging by the "girl Olga from Moscow", the Americans are also waging an effective information war there, but Moscow is far from the whole of Russia, and if there are helpers in the East of Ukraine ...
  • Fin
    Fin 21 February 2014 10: 43
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    We DO NOT LOSE, we, by our stupidity and laziness, gave the opponent FORA, and now we need to recoup ... but anyway - THE VICTORY WILL BE OURSELVES !!!

    Let's calm down. You can have an army superior to the enemy several times and lose if you have a loser and a coward at its helm. Yanyk has already given up, we won’t do anything. In Ukraine, another ruin has come. They should feel on themselves what is anarchy, biting hetmans and governing the country by the Gauleiter. Only after that we will begin to win back positions.
    Elections are just around the corner, PR needs to be reformatted and a new leader, such as Dobkin, who will shut up various boxers and rabbits in any public debate. The most important thing is now the presidential election and are happy to win.
    1. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 10: 54
      -2
      Quote: Fin
      The most important thing is now the presidential election and are happy to win.

      I’m only afraid that they won’t be allowed to win ...

      OL in the current situation may generally prohibit ...
  • rasputin17
    rasputin17 21 February 2014 09: 13
    +4
    So now, silently contemplate the outrage and bloodshed in the fraternal Slavic state! ?? Sprinkling his head with ashes and silently agree that it will be torn to pieces by European Tolerasts with overseas shit-racers!
    Maybe we lost the battle now but not the war !! Remember at least the exploits of our fathers and grandfathers in the Great Patriotic War when the enemy stood under the walls of Moscow and the Leningrad blockade !! We may not be on the side of the Ukrainian people and their defenders in the ranks in the fight against Bandera and Nazi shortcomings, but we can wage this war on the information field bringing to everyone and everyone on whose side the truth and what consequences may be if we come to power pro-Western puppet regime. And Ukraine, which is now proud of its independence and independence, will cease to exist !! And the mass of examples is enough to look at the EU countries of the former social. camps !!
  • Danafxnumx
    Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 09: 54
    -1
    Quote: Orel
    They did not invest in propaganda, NGOs and the media

    what kind of propaganda? what are you talking about ...

    as soon as our point of view begins to be promoted, there will be only cries of "mos * kalei get" ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 21 February 2014 10: 38
      0
      Quote: DanaF1
      as soon as our point of view begins to be promoted, there will be only cries of "mos * kalei get" ...
      And you do not propagandize "Moscow ... thoughts", you show the speeches of the Bandera leaders and show the streets of Kiev - it will "brainwash" the population very well ...
      1. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 10: 55
        -2
        Quote: svp67
        And you do not propagandize "Moscow ... thoughts", you show the speeches of the Bandera leaders and show the streets of Kiev - it will "brainwash" the population very well ...

        you might think that they don’t see and don’t know ...
        1. svp67
          svp67 21 February 2014 11: 12
          0
          Quote: DanaF1
          you might think that they don’t see and don’t know ...

          Many BEGIN TO SEE and, most importantly, UNDERSTAND only now, "the European veil is being removed" and people are beginning to understand what is actually happening ... that this is not "European integration", this is "neo-Nazism"
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 11: 54
            -1
            Quote: svp67
            Many BEGIN TO SEE and, most importantly, UNDERSTAND only now, "the European veil is being removed" and people are beginning to understand what is actually happening ... that this is not "European integration", this is "neo-Nazism"

            very well...
            it’s just not clear, and here are we actually?
            So far, Ukraine, Thank God, in Zimbabwe ... normal educated people still live ... but still do not understand ...

            then how can we help?
            what we see for a long time, they did not perceive ...
            they have everything "abroad will help us" ... well, actually, it helped ...
            1. svp67
              svp67 21 February 2014 12: 32
              0
              Quote: DanaF1
              very well...
              it’s just not clear, and here are we actually?
              You may not have to do it, one request - do not interfere ...
              Quote: DanaF1
              then how can we help?
              what we see for a long time, they did not perceive ...
              Alas, this is so ... the fury that politicians are deceiving from year to year and not understanding why they live worse and worse from year to year, has pushed the masses of people away from the authorities ... They are now fighting no longer for Europe and against Yanukovych ... Russia now just needs to urgently replace the Russian ambassador to Ukraine, a more active and sophisticated diplomat is needed there, I don’t believe that such a thing will not be found there ... And purposefully and clearly defend our position with regard to Ukraine before the West ...
              And yet - everyone who is not indifferent to the fate of Ukraine, who does not measure life with just one money, now we need to put our affairs in order and is preparing to fulfill the oath to the people of the USSR
              until the last breath to be faithful to your people,
              1. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 12: 52
                -2
                Quote: svp67
                Russia now just needs to urgently replace the Russian ambassador to Ukraine, a more active and sophisticated diplomat is needed there, I do not believe that such a person will not be found there ...

                and who will accept his credentials? Klitschko or Yatsenyuk?

                here is my word, kindergarten, younger group ...
                1. svp67
                  svp67 21 February 2014 12: 57
                  0
                  Quote: DanaF1
                  and who will accept his credentials? Klitschko or Yatsenyuk?
                  The legal president of Ukraine ... in this case, it is Yanukovych, others WILL BE ELECTED, will hand them. This is the position of Russia and I think it is true.
                  Quote: DanaF1
                  honestly, kindergarten, younger group ...
                  Oh, I'm sorry, Young lady, I thought I was talking to an adult, you have a "sleepy hour" there now, you should go to bed and not get into adult games ...
                  1. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 14: 08
                    0
                    Quote: svp67
                    The legal president of Ukraine ... in this case, it is Yanukovych, others WILL BE ELECTED, will hand them. This is the position of Russia and I think it is true.

                    Yanuk already does not control anything and there may be a situation when he accepts a letter (in general, such events are held a couple of times a year), he will be overthrown the next day, and the banderlogs of the ambassador will not recognize ...
                    and we will be left without a voice at all ...
                    Quote: svp67
                    th, excuse me Young lady, I thought I was talking with an adult, you have a "sleepy hour" there now, you should go to sleep and not get into adult games ...

                    however, to whom I explain it ...
                    you, apparently, are trained only to be rude ...
        2. svp67
          svp67 21 February 2014 12: 24
          0
          Quote: DanaF1
          you might think that they don’t see and don’t know ...
          You will be very surprised, but NO ... For many, THIS was WHERE THAT, but now many are beginning to understand that THIS IS HERE AND NOW, and moreover, it is ready to COME TO THEM IN THE HOUSE ...
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 12: 50
            -2
            Quote: svp67
            You will be very surprised, but NO ... For many, THIS was WHERE THAT, but now many are beginning to understand that THIS IS HERE AND NOW, and moreover, it is ready to COME TO THEM IN THE HOUSE ...

            pancake...
            Yes, what kind of a * fool you need to be in order not to draw a parallel between Libya, Syria, Egypt and Ukraine ...
            what else is needed for insight? to face with a brown substance dipped?

            so dipped, and now it's too late ...
            1. svp67
              svp67 21 February 2014 13: 00
              +1
              Quote: DanaF1
              and now it's too late ...

              If you are late somewhere, then try to leave earlier ... But it’s not when it’s too late to fight, the main thing is the DESIRE to PROTECT YOURSELF and EVERYTHING that is expensive to you ...
              1. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 14: 25
                0
                Quote: svp67
                And it’s not when it’s too late to fight, the main thing is the DESIRE TO PROTECT YOURSELF and EVERYTHING THAT IS EXPENSIVE TO YOU ...

                so go and fight ...
                warrior keyboard ...

                I personally do not want defenseless people from eastern regions to die there ...
                the only way now is to wait ...
                1. Egor-dis
                  Egor-dis 21 February 2014 21: 58
                  0
                  Quote: DanaF1
                  I personally do not want defenseless people from eastern regions to die there ...
                  the only way now is to wait ...
                  Is this, like, non-resistance to evil by violence? Well, well, Yanyk has already waited.
    2. v53993
      v53993 21 February 2014 10: 39
      +1
      what kind of propaganda? what are you talking about ...

      I agree. Who can do that. Who cannot, he speaks.
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  • CALL.
    CALL. 21 February 2014 10: 22
    +1
    Quote: Orel
    and the West and the USA during this time managed to fill the information space of Ukraine

    Now, instead of glass beads, civilizers are buying Aboriginal people for cookies.
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 21 February 2014 10: 32
      +2
      And this is Russia. American Ambassador and Pussy Wright Group. Other faces, cookies too. Presumably the jam will be later
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 21 February 2014 10: 49
        +1
        Quote: Z.O.V.
        American ambassador

        Howard Solomon, Under Secretary for Political Affairs, US Embassy in Russia.
      2. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
        +1
        Quote: Z.O.V.
        American Ambassador and Pussy Wright Group

        I just want to shout: firing squad - or !!!
  • ed65b
    ed65b 21 February 2014 11: 33
    0
    Quote: Orel
    Air shake and no effect.

    In the current situation, a large and thick bolt was scored on Lavrov. Like the whole bunch of Putin-Medvedev.
  • Name
    Name 21 February 2014 07: 44
    +14
    Lavrov is undoubtedly right, here are just words for them, empty ... decisive action is needed with regard to the EU and the US ... which is not for me to judge. hi
    1. Denis
      Denis 21 February 2014 07: 58
      +4
      Quote: name
      Lavrov is undoubtedly right, only words are empty for them ... Decisive action is needed with regard to the EU and the USA ... which I can’t judge.

      Words, if they are not supported by actions, do not mean anything in modern politics, in my opinion everyone has already understood it, except for Russia ...
    2. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 21 February 2014 08: 08
      +5
      Probably so decisive that they then let the freed up areas go under the corn. Years through ... eleven, when the radiation will drop a little soldier
    3. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 10: 02
      +1
      Quote: name
      Lavrov is undoubtedly right, only words are empty for them ... Decisive action is needed with regard to the EU and the USA ... which I can’t judge.

      in Syria, too, it all began ...
      at first Lavrov was indignant, and then the Dark One struck blows to the grandmother ...
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 21 February 2014 07: 48
    +13
    Western media reports on the situation in Ukraine "in an extremely perverted form"


    I look specifically at the BBC and CNN channels in English, and really obvious things, the Ukrainian government is represented by a rapist and a murderer, all in one format under the West’s carbon copy ... extremists and militants are called demonstrators in the news ... Sometimes there is a desire for someone to live aired a bomb in a BBC and CNN studio ....
    1. Wellych
      Wellych 21 February 2014 07: 55
      +1
      On fig? Their audience is already dying out and literally including.
      1. rasputin17
        rasputin17 21 February 2014 10: 18
        0
        That's right! yes The more they fight for gender equality and introduce "BLUE" laws, the less chances they have for their further fertility and natural population growth !!!))) And their countries and cities are filled with people from Africa and the Middle East replacing them and displacing them, and this not to mention the massive Islamization of all of Europe !!)))))) laughing
    2. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 10: 03
      +1
      Quote: Scandinavian
      Sometimes there is a desire that someone on the air would detonate a bomb at BBC and CNN ...

      and at the same time, the popularity of RT is growing ...
  • mountain
    mountain 21 February 2014 07: 52
    +6
    Well, what can you say. Perverts, support, perverts.
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 21 February 2014 07: 59
    +12
    From time immemorial, the West and the United States have pursued a policy of double standards, and they will always pursue it for their own benefit. And no CRITICISM against them will change anything. In their countries, they carry out such "processing" of minds that the population piously believes them. In the 90s, relatives left for the United States for permanent residence, so 10 years later, Russians by blood, they already accused Russia of everything, with such fury that if we did not know them before America, we would think that they used to were agents of the CRU, or in general, Native Americans, saturated with hatred of Russia. But after spending about a month here on vacation, they began to perceive everything adequately, and are already dreaming of moving to Russia.
    1. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 10: 06
      +2
      Quote: ia-ai00
      But after spending about a month here on vacation, they began to perceive everything adequately, and already dream of moving to Russia.

      my relatives also live in us ...
      and so they are even on the phone afraid of saying something superfluous, although they have long had citizenship ...

      frightened people like Americans still need to look ...
  • svp67
    svp67 21 February 2014 08: 06
    +4
    This is all good, but only the words of the Minister of Foreign Affairs are not enough, something must be done, otherwise this "red-black wave" will have to be stopped near Moscow ...
  • My address
    My address 21 February 2014 08: 11
    +7
    Eh!
    What a fig did not move before! Chernomyrdin, being an ambassador, earned us friends in Ukraine. Under Zurabov, the policy of utter non-intervention went. Here we are. Bleeding in a draw line, and behind the cordon were preparing aggression.

    As the saying goes: "Zvizda woke up when the night passed."
  • kind
    kind 21 February 2014 08: 15
    +5
    I wonder if tomorrow the United States will wash away the tsunami, what will happen to the Maidan ???
    1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
      0
      Quote: Good
      I wonder if tomorrow the United States will wash away the tsunami, what will happen to the Maidan ???


      Yanukovych will be left without his dollar savings and will shoot himself with grief.
    2. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 21 February 2014 10: 07
      0
      Quote: Good
      I wonder if tomorrow the United States will wash away the tsunami, what will happen to the Maidan ???

      I don’t believe it, I’m thinking about the same thing :))))
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  • igor36
    igor36 21 February 2014 08: 21
    +6
    In Ukraine, power as such was not and is not. What president is Yanukovych if bandits rule the situation? Correctly, Medvedev said that they wipe his feet about him, in 2004 Yushchenko and Yulia are now the same, only stronger.
  • nelson
    nelson 21 February 2014 08: 23
    +5
    KIEV, February 21. / ITAR-TASS /. The Parliament of Ukraine adopted a resolution on the return of all power structures of the country to their places of permanent deployment. Such a decision was supported on February 20 by 236 deputies of the Verkhovna Rada.
    As explained by the deputy from the Batkivshchyna faction, Nikolai Knyazhitsky, the document also provides for "the termination of the counter-terrorist operation in Ukraine and the release of all detainees, a ban on blocking roads by security forces."
    Thus, the deputies ordered the Ministry of Internal Affairs to immediately stop blocking transport routes throughout the country, the Ministry of Defense - to withdraw their forces involved in the conflict without delay and to ensure their return to the place of permanent deployment. Cabinet must provide all necessary assistance to the families of all the dead and injured.
    The decision comes into force from the moment of voting.

    It looks like the Syrian script is on. Then everything can go according to the proven methodology. I would like to believe that GDP has a trump card up its sleeve, but the hope for it is less and less. The self-styled yanyk is a rag and suicide. Sad
    1. russia_vp
      russia_vp 21 February 2014 08: 39
      +5
      What does the GDP have to do with it? GDP is not the president of Ukraine. Yanukovych has been stealing all these years, and the GDP should save him? what are you? Let them clean it up themselves. And how to supply air defense to Georgia and shoot down Russian planes is normal. And how to save your own skin, like this: Putin - help !!! "
      1. v53993
        v53993 21 February 2014 11: 11
        0
        And where is the GDP? GDP is not the president of Ukraine.

        But he is the president of a state that borders Ukraine. And this obliges many to relate accordingly. It is not Yanukovych’s business, but Ukraine as a whole as a state.
  • nokki
    nokki 21 February 2014 08: 24
    +8
    Quote: Orel
    Air shake and no effect. We lost Ukraine much earlier. NGOs and the media did not invest in propaganda, while the West and the USA managed to fill in the information space of Ukraine and instill their ideas during this time ...


    I have a hunch that we need to prepare for the worst. Everything turns out so that then the massacre will begin in the East of Ukraine. Bandera will not stop. The Americans’s plan is simple: Russia, as always, will wait, and in the meantime, nationalists will come to power in Ukraine, who will kindle a fire in the border regions of Russia. I would like to believe the opposite ...
    1. russia_vp
      russia_vp 21 February 2014 08: 35
      +4
      Ukrainians themselves must decide the fate of their country. Why when you feel bad, you always remember that there is Russia, and when you are fed cookies, you wipe your feet on Russia? What goes around comes around. Have a big spoon this is your European integration, just do not meddle with us. If on their own, then in the same vein. And even give you gas for free and give you loans for free and give you investments, and in return only dirt and accusations.

      You are there 20 million in eastern Ukraine. Here, under the gun, all stand up and defend the country, otherwise you sit at the TVs and watch you urinate. And then Russia is to blame. Hand in hand and forward to the barricades to defend the homeland. And you can’t, then get what you deserve
      1. LaGlobal
        LaGlobal 21 February 2014 09: 34
        +2
        Quote: russia_vp
        Ukrainians themselves must decide the fate of their country. Why when you feel bad, you always remember that there is Russia, and when you are fed cookies, you wipe your feet on Russia?


        - Partly you can agree, and partly not. Ukraine cannot be surrendered, much less lost. Someone posted above, they say Ukraine has already lost. I do not agree, perhaps they lost the battle, but not the war. and actually - this is our country (Ukraine), these are our relatives, this is our younger sister (no matter how you like it). And we must help her at any time of the day or year! And to moderate these fucking bandera from western Nenko, destroy or plant terrorists. This is our duty, both geopolitical, moral, and blood!
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        1. RBLip
          RBLip 21 February 2014 10: 05
          0
          Quote: Egor-dis
          Do not share the gun? Is it better to make hundreds of thousands of rifles? I do not ask for 20 million rifles - I am modest. ;)

          and that in Ukraine the weapon is over? or all have already captured Bandera? so go and take it away ... or, as always, give it, then it, and then the Russian bastards, help poorly ...
          1. Egor-dis
            Egor-dis 21 February 2014 20: 57
            0
            Wow, but the West does not consider it a zapadlo Bandera and arms to fit, and military experts, and foreign troops are already rummaging around Kiev. And no one shouts to them "go and take it away."
            And by the way, your answer is essentially incorrect. That is, if war broke out again in Chechnya or Georgia invaded Ossetia again, would you go to rob military depots, or kill policemen to get weapons? Or did I misunderstand you, and you propose to go unarmed into the war zone and take away weapons from the enemy? So can it be generally spent for the armed forces, for military development, and in case of an invasion to go and take all the weapons and all military equipment from the aggressor?
      4. Egor-dis
        Egor-dis 21 February 2014 10: 05
        0
        You are there 20 million in eastern Ukraine. Here, under the gun, all stand up and defend the country, otherwise you sit at the TVs and watch you urinate. And then Russia is to blame. Hand in hand and forward to barricades to defend the homeland
        Share a gun? Is it better to make hundreds of thousands of rifles? I do not ask for 20 million rifles - I am modest.
    2. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
      +2
      Quote: nokki
      which will kindle a fire in the border Russian regions

      But then we will have an official reason for all these banderlogov peremoch in places of permanent deployment
  • wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 21 February 2014 08: 25
    +1
    Quote: Good
    I wonder if tomorrow the United States will wash away the tsunami, what will happen to the Maidan ???

    besides the United States, other "western players" remain, plus the "southern" players will also join them, and "mujahideen" will start running around Kiev, and the intensity of rhetoric will only increase.
    1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
      0
      Quote: wasjasibirjac
      and "mujahideen" will start running around Kiev

      They will not run, but already run. On the Independence already hoisted the flags of the Syrian opposition and Ichkeria
  • russia_vp
    russia_vp 21 February 2014 08: 30
    -8
    It is not necessary to declare statements, but to introduce tanks. your dumb decency is not appropriate in relation to enemies. laurels - you're a clown. Your statements are tantamount to a bunch. Go back to MGIMO
  • Known who
    Known who 21 February 2014 08: 41
    +5
    While Russia will occupy an ostrich position (a position of non-interference in the internal affairs of neighboring countries and states with vital interests of Russia) they will wipe our feet and climb into our internal affairs.
    After Ukraine there will be Belarus, then again the Caucasus, then it will warm up somewhere in the center of the country, etc.
    The best way of defense is to attack
    1. Slon1978
      Slon1978 21 February 2014 09: 35
      +4
      I see the current non-intervention tactics as correct. The Ukrainians themselves have to gorge themselves on the Maidan, Euro-integration and "demonstrations" - to gorge themselves to the point of redness, to hatred, to a completely clear understanding of what they had and what is ahead of them now. This is necessary so that they themselves are ripe and stand under arms with readiness to crush the Bendera people - so that no one has doubts that this is THEIR choice. And that's when we can help them. If we fit in now, the effect will be the opposite.
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    4. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 21 February 2014 09: 47
      +2
      Here Yanukovych’s will is needed! I don’t give a damn about the West and its sanctions, if he still didn’t give a damn about his people (I hope so)!
      1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
        +2
        Quote: LaGlobal
        Sdes Yanukovych will need!

        Will Yanukovych? His will in dollar equivalent is now in US and EU accounts
    5. Egor-dis
      Egor-dis 21 February 2014 09: 51
      +1
      The best way of defense is to attack

      What are you? This is aggression! Not an attack, but preventive action. ;)
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 21 February 2014 08: 43
    +2
    The Kremlin clearly expressed its opinion. Now you need to collect the maximum of correct videos and other facts, take it all out to the Security Council and present the real facts to the world community.
    We will always have time to bring in our troops there, and if we press them, we will certainly introduce them, since hell would be zapadents with them, but the loss of the east and Crimea directly affects our defense capability.

    I think that it will not come to direct intervention. It will be enough to send a hundred or two FSB officers (adviser-instructors) to the east and to the Crimea and popularly explain to the local administration - if you want to save the country, your seats and just assholes - do what they tell you, and we will support financially, with weapons and information .
    1. GDP
      GDP 21 February 2014 09: 04
      +5

      I think that it will not come to direct intervention. It will be enough to send a hundred or two FSB officers (adviser-instructors) to the east and to the Crimea and popularly explain to the local administration - if you want to save the country, your seats and just assholes - do what they tell you, and we will support financially, with weapons and information .

      And volunteers ...
      I would go ...
      1. RBLip
        RBLip 21 February 2014 10: 13
        +2
        Quote: GDP
        I would go ...

        but Pasaran. soldier
        1. PValery53
          PValery53 22 February 2014 02: 14
          0
          So say that, they say, "they will not pass."
      2. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 21 February 2014 10: 19
        +2
        Quote: GDP

        And volunteers ...
        I would go ...

        To be honest, the last days I remember Yugoslavia. I was already quite a mature person, but still quite young (31). The powerless anger stifled and I really wanted to tear the savage there, find where the thread of the SVD and just shoot all this scum. By the way, I didn’t shoot very young when I was young, from the SKS 45-47 points from fifty, a standard military exercise. All this (mood) was also aggravated by the Yeltsin lawlessness, which was then in Moscow, and everywhere. I didn’t leave, it didn’t work out. And now, on the 6 ten, health is not right either.
        What am I doing? I mean, when young, then of course I want more radical, quick and uncompromising decisions. Now in my head a little different. I would like to find some kind of compromise, which would lower the degree of the situation, and then figure out who crap where. But apparently, in Ukraine this is almost impossible.

        What is most surprising is the opinion of many why they will not block the entrance to the city and directly to the center? I cannot understand this in any way.
        1. Fornit
          Fornit 21 February 2014 16: 00
          +2
          Indeed - it’s completely incomprehensible - the tires are over, they’re already carrying it in trucks, but they used to carry it in their hands - and nobody cares ... Canisters with a cocktail are the same ... WHY ????????????? Why is there no power in this matter? Yesterday, Solovyov said in a program that, they say, Kharkov will rally on Saturday ... I think that he will have to wipe on Saturday ... If power is weak-willed, people must take power into their own hands ...
  • 787nkx
    787nkx 21 February 2014 08: 43
    +1
    Very such a tough reaction.
    Who else would react to it?
    If they don’t hear you, why talk.
    We are sure that words will remain words.
  • Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 21 February 2014 08: 44
    +5
    Lavrov presented a bouquet of accusations to the West because of Ukraine: double standards, perverted information.
    And Vaska (the West) listens, but eats. When and where did it stop them? In Yugoslavia? In Syria? In Libya? Now, if, in cold weather, they would have turned off the gas for a week, then maybe Europe would have paid attention.
    1. Fornit
      Fornit 21 February 2014 16: 02
      +1
      Really ... Technogenic factor, weak pipes, tra-la-la ... But we did not expect - they themselves burst ...
  • nemec55
    nemec55 21 February 2014 08: 48
    +6
    Russia's position on Ukraine is very clear, and Moscow speaks about it publicly

    Until we find a counterbalance to these atrocities of the West and the Americans, and such a counterbalance that the atomic bomb seems to them like flowers, these tricks of ghouls will occur wherever they need it.
    This must be a complete moron so as not to understand that this is a method of war bypassing the nuclear shield. And our masturbators must clearly understand that igniting the wick is very easy if people are not satisfied with the power (as they stole the suk and they steal) And strong and honest authorities have nothing to fear people for her neck will turn anyone.
  • Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 21 February 2014 08: 50
    +7
    Quote: nokki

    I have a hunch that we need to prepare for the worst. Everything turns out so that then the massacre will begin in the East of Ukraine. Bandera will not stop. The Americans’s plan is simple: Russia, as always, will wait, and in the meantime, nationalists will come to power in Ukraine, who will kindle a fire in the border regions of Russia. I would like to believe the opposite ...

    We in Russia always need to be prepared for the worst.
    But worse than 1941, nothing happened, although they were preparing for war as they could.
    So we would not prepare, but act.
    Rivet rockets, train in deserts, forests, mountains, cities, study, study and study ...
    The power to cure greed and Westernism, children to learn to love their homeland.
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 21 February 2014 08: 56
    +4
    Вчера:
    "The US leadership has demanded that Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych immediately withdraw security forces from the center of Kiev and allow the opposition to protest."
    Today":
    "The Verkhovna Rada adopted a resolution according to which all power units must return to their places of deployment, they are prohibited from using weapons, and road closures are prohibited." "The document also provides for" the termination of the counter-terrorist operation in Ukraine and the release of all detainees, a ban on blocking roads by security forces. "

    "Washington does not support the demands of the Ukrainian opposition for the resignation of President Viktor Yanukovych .... Our position is that President Yanukovych needs to lead his country into a new future, and he needs to do this through the creation of a new government, amendments to the constitution and restoration political order "
    US Ambassador to Ukraine Jeffrey Payette.
    Matches?
    Yanukovych saved his money? By betraying your own? Now, is he a transitional doll to transfer power to Bandera?
  • Million
    Million 21 February 2014 09: 09
    0
    I saw Lavrov speak. He seemed to apologize
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 21 February 2014 18: 17
      +1
      Quote: Million
      I saw Lavrov speak. He seemed to apologize

      He did not apologize. He was really shaking from outrage. I even suspect why. Probably, before the speech, he did not speak for an hour over the telephone with his Western colleagues.
      I have never seen him like that.
  • moremansf
    moremansf 21 February 2014 09: 22
    +1
    The political death of Yanukovych !!! Ukraine is on the verge of collapse ... Time was lost ....
    1. Mazadrive
      Mazadrive 21 February 2014 09: 50
      +2
      Alarmists shoot first.

      There are more conscious people than these bandits and lawless people.
  • Gxash
    Gxash 21 February 2014 10: 01
    +3
    Good day, dear gentlemen.

    My opinion regarding the latest events in Independent Ukraine is as follows:
    1. Given the fact that the situation is purely domestic (no external factors affect it directly), the legitimate government SHOULD not pay attention to the cries and attempts to intimidate the West to introduce a state of emergency throughout the country;
    2. At least a month ago, distribute military weapons to Berkut and VV;
    3. Police, explosives and troops to switch to a higher level of readiness and introduce a strict control regime for police departments, military units and deployment points of security forces with the ability to fire to kill when attempting to penetrate;
    4. Take under tight protection all government agencies.
    5. To cordon off the Maidan along the perimeter, preventing any attempts to penetrate it and outside. Announce over loudspeakers on the Maidan that there is an hour for the voluntary surrender of the entire "Right Sector" and a further fair trial over the instigators and especially active "peaceful demonstrators". When trying to resist, the Court will be as strict as possible.
    6. To storm the Maidan, having given the order of shooting about legs (only to ghouls to beat, hospitals would cope with all wounded).

    I assure you that this step would only strengthen the government's position. It is clear that it would not have been possible without casualties on both sides (as in any anti-terrorist operation), but THIS bacchanalia would have ended already. Units of the explosives and the militia would not have been looted (no joke, in the hands of the "Right Sector" several machine guns, sniper weapons, machine guns, not counting small splashes).

    It may turn out that it’s not too late to take these steps ...
    1. 787nkx
      787nkx 21 February 2014 11: 29
      0
      It's too late,,,
    2. Fornit
      Fornit 21 February 2014 16: 07
      +1
      This would have been possible if: 1. The money of the Ukrainian "elite" did not lie in the banks of the West and the United States 2. There would be a person who is responsible to his people for his actions ... And they, like us, have a tension ...
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 21 February 2014 10: 08
    +2
    Here a / M / s, any intervention in conflicts of other countries, explain the invasion by "national interests." And what about Russia, perhaps these NATIONAL INTERESTS, this is actually the territory of the once ONE country!
  • darksoul
    darksoul 21 February 2014 10: 10
    +3
    said well, but what shall we do? To Ukraine, the most discussed topic, Syria .... they say they will fill Syria, go to Iran, and here the tension is at the borders of our Motherland, and the Americans decided to capitalize along the way and Ukraine, troubled time is coming .... stand aside - postpone your demise
    1. v53993
      v53993 21 February 2014 11: 15
      +2
      stand aside - delay your demise


      Wow, aside! There is already mess in the hallway, and we all are waiting for it to resolve.
  • Maximka7
    Maximka7 21 February 2014 10: 39
    +4
    I would like to write a couple of lines in defense of the Russian Foreign Ministry and explain the obvious thing to everyone.
    I assure you, dear comrades, that there are practically no idiots in the tower on Smolenka who could believe that yesterday it was not time for decisive measures to protect Russian strategic interests in the near frontier zone, along with protecting the population of Ukraine, the prospects for its civilizational choice, taking into account military-political and geopolitical considerations, etc., etc. - it makes no sense to spread the thesis.
    The problem is that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is not a subject of foreign policy. Decisions are made in the Kremlin. Let's hope that a historical event happens, and, perhaps, for the second or third time in modern Russian history, Moscow will take a responsible decision to ignore the pressure of the West and act as it should, and what the population of Russia expects from it, and I think , most of the population of Southeast Ukraine
    1. 787nkx
      787nkx 21 February 2014 11: 33
      0
      Let's try to formulate what the Russian people really expect from the authorities in relation to Ukraine?

      1.
      2.
      3.
    2. 787nkx
      787nkx 21 February 2014 11: 38
      0
      Perhaps I'll start it myself.

      1. Financial assistance
      2. Military assistance
      3.Information assistance
      4. Diplomatic assistance
      5. Technical assistance
      6. Moral assistance
      7. Humanitarian assistance

      We supplement, cross out, offer,
  • Gxash
    Gxash 21 February 2014 10: 44
    +2
    Quote: Maximka7
    Let's hope that a historical event happens, and, perhaps, for the second or third time in modern Russian history, Moscow will take a responsible decision to ignore the pressure of the West and act as it should, and what the population of Russia expects from it, and I think , most of the population of Southeast Ukraine


    I think that actions by the Kremlin will still be (in favor of eastern Ukraine), but a little later than the Olympics will end ...
    1. 787nkx
      787nkx 21 February 2014 11: 31
      0
      This olympiad was given to you, nothing will change after its completion.
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 21 February 2014 10: 53
    +2
    Enough to talk and denounce the West in double standards, we must immediately take concrete measures in defense of Russian interests. And for a long time no one is afraid of chatter in the West, they respect force (the example of Georgian aggression and its reflection)!
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  • ed65b
    ed65b 21 February 2014 11: 35
    +2
    BL.Ya.D. People tell me to a fool where is this FUCKING ambassador Zurabov ????? Does he do anything ?????
    1. 787nkx
      787nkx 21 February 2014 11: 39
      0
      The embassy is guarding.
      1. Fornit
        Fornit 21 February 2014 16: 09
        0
        No, he is nostalgic for the FIU and in the corner he .... eh ....
  • kelevra
    kelevra 21 February 2014 11: 40
    0
    We need to talk about this directly, not shy, to hell with all the correctness! It’s in our own words and clearly show that Russia will not just look at all this mess.
    1. 787nkx
      787nkx 21 February 2014 11: 48
      0
      What exactly needs to be done?
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      1. Fornit
        Fornit 21 February 2014 16: 12
        +2
        1. Throw EVERYONE out of Ukraine, who has the wrong passport ... - they say, we will figure it out ourselves ...
        2. INVIT those who have THIS passport - they say you need HUMAN help ... Remember how you traveled to Cuba in civilian ways ...
        It is not necessary to start from the center, it is possible from the edges - eastern and southern ... Slowly descending from the mountain so that ... (everyone knows about the herd further) ...
        I realize that the recipe is double-edged, but in the direction of sorting it will be further clear ...
        "- And if they don't take it?
        - Turn off the gas! "... (C)
  • Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 22 February 2014 01: 46
    0
    Quote: 787nkx
    It's too late,,,

    Inner feelings, like an explosion in a cesspool.
    But you can’t dissolve and go to the funeral service.

    And if all this is aimed at Russia - the last country in Europe with concepts in the external manifestations and inside almost every person, then you need to stock up matches, sunflower oil, salt and flour, as our ancestors did, wipe the grandfather's saber or lock and go there where it’s hot and dangerous.

    And today it is a job without money, but on state orders for the native army, it is training students in the most important engineering specialties with training in collective action, with respect to the national GOST system, and with a prioritization of military equipment.
    And also this is a volunteer work with children and youth in patriotic and sports-patriotic clubs and sections.
  • PValery53
    PValery53 22 February 2014 02: 31
    0
    The fact that Minister Lavrov publicly exposes the West is necessary. But this is not enough! When will our Olympics end! After all, EVERYTHING MUST BECOME IN OUR PLACES!
  • Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 22 February 2014 17: 01
    0
    Quote: PValery53
    The fact that Minister Lavrov publicly exposes the West is necessary. But this is not enough! When will our Olympics end! After all, EVERYTHING MUST BECOME IN OUR PLACES!

    Who can convey the proposal from the people to the Minister of Defense!
    Urgently organize airborne maneuvers in the Belgorod region.
    In the Black Sea, declare the area closed for swimming, and throw there on a rocket in an hour or two.
    Accompany cargo and other transport from Russia and Belarus with an armed convoy.
    Moreover, according to American rules, with shooting to kill in a threatened space within a radius of 200 m.
    Allow dual citizenship for citizens of Ukraine.
    Urgently provide proactive humanitarian assistance to East-South Ukraine with dry rations for 300 thousand people days, hunting weapons (with optical sights, thermal imagers, ....), ammunition (winter, armor, ...), transport.
    And deliver all this to armored KAMAZ trucks.
    It seems that these measures can be dispensed with, but we are not arsonists ...
    Rather, the arsonist will not be Russia.
  • Prodigal
    Prodigal 23 February 2014 09: 21
    0
    Over the past 10 years, we have seen a vivid manifestation of fascism in the guise of various revolutions where the true ideologist is the vile and snickering S with its color forgiveness ... the EU.