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The US Navy thinks of a railgun and a laser gun

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In the past few years, the US military has often relied on future technologies that are very close to science fiction. So, representatives of the US Navy announced that they are going to acquire the most promising types of weapons in the very near future. First of all, we are talking about the electromagnetic railgun and a powerful laser gun. It is reported that the laser gun will be deployed on one of the ships from the US Navy at the end of 2014, and the tested prototype railgun is planned to be installed on a combat ship over the next two years.


According to representatives of the US Navy, the decision to develop these types of weapons is largely due to issues of economy. Compared to traditional projectiles, bombs and rockets, both technologies are inexpensive and can be fired almost continuously. Captain Mike Ziv, who is the manager of Electric Weapons and Directed Energy Systems under the command of the US Navy, is confident that new technologies will be able to change the methods of combat operations at sea.

In addition to the relatively low cost, the focus will be on the ease of use of these types weapons. Thus, the laser, which is planned to be installed on a warship USS Ponce, can be controlled by only one sailor, and not even the most experienced one. The laser gun is designed to combat the so-called "asymmetric threat" - complexes of high-speed boats, aerial drones, as well as other potential threats to warships, which are now located in the Persian Gulf.

The US Navy thinks of a railgun and a laser gun
Large amphibious assault ship USS Ponce


The world's first combat laser on a warship should appear in the summer of this year, reports the agency AP. A prototype laser cannon will be installed on board the American large assault ship "Ponce", which was converted into a special base floating base. It is assumed that the naval-based combat laser beam can hit targets at a distance up to 1,7 kilometers from the ship, mainly the laser gun will be used against asymmetric threats. Ponce serves in a region where the problem of piracy is acute today. It is assumed that the tests of the laser installation will be conducted within a year, after which the issue of adopting a laser gun for service and its mass production will be considered.

According to the available information, the US Navy spent about 40 million dollars to create a prototype laser of a sea-based laser. At the same time, the cost of one shot from such a gun is estimated at just 1 dollars, while launching an interceptor missile costs the taxpayers about 1 a million dollars. In addition, the laser gun has an almost unlimited supply of shots.

Tests of the railgun - a gun that gives the projectile acceleration due to electrical impulses - were carried out in December 2010. These tests were considered successful. New weapons were created with the aim of installing on promising warships of the American fleet. The destroyers of the DDG-1000 Zumwalt project were called as such ships. The railgun tests were carried out on the basis of the Center for the development of surface weapons of the American Navy. The weapon was tested at a power of 33 MJ. According to the calculations of engineers, this power allows you to send an all-metal projectile at a distance of up to 203,7 km, while at the end of the route the projectile speed will be approximately 5 Mach (about 5,6 thousand km / h).


Railgun tested in the USA


2010 year tests were record. Then the power of the railgun in 3 times surpassed the same indicator, which was achieved during the first tests conducted back in January 2008. This indicator, among other things, has become the largest since the development of such weapons in the world. When the US military expects to finish all the work to create this promising type of weapons, it is not known.

A railgun is a cannon that uses electromagnetic force to accelerate a conductive projectile. At the first stage of the shot, the projectile of such a gun is part of the electrical circuit. This tool owes its name to two contact rails, between which the projectile moves in contact with them. At the moment, the use of such weapons on real warships seems impossible. Since a huge amount of energy is needed for firing a shot, shooting accuracy leaves much to be desired. In addition, the tested electromagnetic gun has a very large size.

Currently, both installations mentioned by the US Navy have their drawbacks. For example, lasers lose their effectiveness in dusty or rainy weather (precipitation can greatly harm them), as well as due to the occurrence of turbulence in the atmosphere. At the same time, as noted above, the railgun requires a very large amount of energy for a shot. These shortcomings are highlighted by Lexington’s military analyst Loren Thompson.


Destroyer of the project Zumwalt. Launched on October 28 2013 of the year


Although rumors are currently circulating that the US Navy was able to find a solution to the problem of bad weather. However, the solution to the problem is not final. With heavy rain or high clouds, lasers still lose their performance. It is not possible to solve the problem of providing the necessary amount of energy for the railgun. The only ships suitable for the use of railguns, so far are the promising destroyers of the project Zumwalt. Currently, only one ship of this type has been launched. Therefore, representatives of the Navy continue to hope for modern development, the benefit of the time is still there. American engineers are already working to develop a system of batteries for storing sufficient quantities of energy, which could be installed on ships already built. With all their flaws, new types of weapons are significantly cheaper than existing counterparts, which makes them very attractive and gives them additional chances for life, American military analysts say.

For example, each interceptor missile on a US ship costs 1 a million dollars (about 35 million rubles), which makes such missiles a very unprofitable means to repel enemy attacks that use an unfavorable environment for their own purposes: suicide attacks on mined boats, UAVs, cruise missiles. With the installation on board of an 30 laser, kW of electricity, the price of each “shot” is reduced to only a few dollars.

In this case, the laser beam directed at the selected target can burn the sensitive electronics of the target in a few seconds, while remaining invisible to the human eye. This technology has interested the defense ministry of several leading world states that have begun to develop it. At the same time, representatives of the American fleet are confident that they will be able to equip their ships with the laser gun first in the world.

Information sources:
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1297426
http://vpk.name/news/105625_ssha_vpervyie_ustanovyat_na_voennyii_korabl_lazernuyu_pushku.html
http://lenta.ru/news/2010/12/13/railgun
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  1. invisibility
    invisibility 21 February 2014 08: 41
    +11
    In my understanding, new technology in armament is a mystery behind seven seals! Even the mention of them causes not healthy interest in the enemy. This news is more like a promotion to attract financial flows.
    1. 222222
      222222 21 February 2014 11: 27
      +1
      in 91 Russian ships already had veins, indicating the operation of the "enemy" laser weapon ..
    2. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 21 February 2014 18: 53
      0
      Quote: invisible
      In my understanding, new technology in armament is a mystery behind seven seals! Even the mention of them causes not healthy interest in the enemy. This news is more like a promotion to attract financial flows.


      and there is. it is a mantra for knocking out a defense budget. the passage about the boat with the pirates is especially wet.
    3. c3r
      c3r 21 February 2014 22: 45
      +1
      A signboard in the spirit of SDI (Strategic Oboton Initiative) for a simple "star wars". Dear where were you? Shoot from space at frogs with a laser! According to my amers, no one said that cruise missiles should not be used against high-speed boats, an automatic Vulcan-Falanx installation is enough or, at worst, a gramrt organized anti-sabotage defense (for a simple Marine with good machine gun and ammunition). But the rail gun is yes, one shot and the ship with its diesel generators is fucking de-energized, but for 200 km it will hit it all right. It's time to install nuclear power plants on destroyers, but then it will already be nuclear cruisers with rail guns. The Americans continue in the same spirit!
  2. jjj
    jjj 21 February 2014 08: 42
    +3
    There is a mirror for each beam. And the angle of incidence is equal to the angle of reflection
    1. Aryan
      Aryan 21 February 2014 09: 37
      +1
      coastal surf will make a lot of problems with the "refractive beam" to hit low-flying targets
      Avdrug is just a civilian Piglet with a balloon in a hurry for the birthday of a donkey IA on the rail laughing

      so that later it doesn’t work out with a black Petochka:
      My shiny balloon
      to * benimater flying belay
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  3. Serg65
    Serg65 21 February 2014 09: 27
    +6
    The development of such weapons has been going on for 40 for years, the Americans’s approval of the adoption of a laser gun for the arming of warships, I consider nothing more than an advertising campaign to receive money from the state. Maybe someday this reality will come true, who knows! But at the moment it’s hard to believe, even though good weather at sea is rare, to get a beam into a small sized target with sea excitement at least in 3 ball, it’s really necessary to try !!!!!!
    1. postman
      postman 21 February 2014 10: 49
      +2
      Quote: Serg65
      to get a beam into a small-sized target when the sea swell is at least 3 points, it’s really necessary to try !!!!!!

      How then do you think they get from artillery?
      But TOTAL at the projectile 1 km / s (+/-)
      At the same ray 300 000 km / s (-) !!!
      on the scale of military operations of dimension to the Moon’s orbit, THIS WEAPON INSTANTLY DELIVES THE DAMAGING ELEMENT TO THE PURPOSE.
      note:
      1.BAESystems Laser Target Locator Module (LTLM)
      Allows you to detect a standard NATO target (2,3x2,3 m) at ranges up to 8 km in the optical and 0,9 km in the infrared channels. Range (with an albedo of 10%) is determined at a distance to the target over 10 km at night and over 15 km during the day.
      The accuracy of angular measurements is up to 8 divisions of the protractor in azimuth (accuracy increases eight times in 1 minute) and up to 4 divisions of the protractor in elevation (accuracy increases four times in 1 minute). GPS accuracy is submeter. Localization of target coordinates is automatic.

      2. Optoelectronic search and target tracking system
      3. Anti-aircraft missile system Rapier-laserfire (laser device for automatic tracking of air targets detected by radar.)
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 21 February 2014 12: 22
        +3
        Well, I can say anything I can, for example, that I am a god! Have you ever tried to shoot from a ship at a sea target? For reflection, look at how Pontileev from AK-630 shoots a pirate boat with 5000 shots per minute, and just with 3 ballistic excitement!
        1. postman
          postman 21 February 2014 13: 41
          +2
          Quote: Serg65
          for example, that I am a god!

          Well, say who's stopping you. Feel better?
          Quote: Serg65
          Have you ever tried to shoot from a ship at a sea target?

          1. was on the A190-01 semi-fail tests
          2. was present at the Rzhevka training range during demonstration firing as part of the A-190E exhibition
          3. Shelling a target (though the target / installation is stationary) as part of the test at the M-faculty
          Quote: Serg65
          For reflection, see how the Pontileev of the AK-630 is pirated

          You try to meditate at least a little
          EMP impulse (laser beam) HAS A SPEED close to 300 km / s - INSTANTLY (in our sizes) -NAVEL, "pressed", struck.
          THERE ARE NO OBJECTS of physical and external influences on the object (popping, movement, wind), WHICH can "take away" the target from the affected area at the required speed
          EVEN A WARNING IS NOT NECESSARY

          Quote: Serg65
          just with a 3-point excitement!

          for a laser beam, that is 10 points !!!!
          At a distance of 10 km, the beam penetrates the target in 0,000033 seconds (33 micro seconds)
          An object moving at a speed of EVEN 100 km / h (it is difficult to imagine such a speed with waves, storms) = 28 m / s, will shift ONLY 0,000924 m = 0,9 mm LESS 1mm
          And?
          Is this critical?
          Really does not reach?
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 21 February 2014 14: 11
            +3
            Oh, Vasily, how it comes to it! The maximum target hit for a distance of 1,7 km, let's say a subsonic cruise missile is flying towards you, a delay in opening fire for one second brings the target closer to 200 meters, let's say your laser, under ideal conditions (no rolling), covered the target to avoid hitting the ship with fragments of the destroyed rocket you need to turn this rocket to ash. And to turn it into ashes, you need to drag the power station behind the battleship in tow ?? On a land range, it’s always so great! Can I tell you how the Komsomolets Ukrainy BPK, in complete calm, for a canister of alcohol, shot the shield at point-blank range?
            1. postman
              postman 21 February 2014 14: 43
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              The maximum target hit at a distance of 1,7 km, let's say a subsonic cruise missile flies towards you,

              Yes, even supersonic, for 300.000 km / s = 3.000.000.00,00 m / s = THIS IS NOTHING
              900km / h = 250m / s
              1,7km beam overcomes in 0,0000057 sec = 5 micro sec
              During this time, the PRK (or rather the aiming point on the anti-ship missiles) will shift by 0,0014166 m = 1,46 mm
              AT 1,46 mm = do not care, even if at least 10 times more (by 1,46 mcm)
              And?
              What does this give for dimensions (harpoon) 500cm and a diameter of 34 cm (wingspan under 100cm)


              Quote: Serg65
              let's say your laser under ideal conditions (no pitching) covered the target

              Gyro-stabilized platform
              - Arms stabilizer - a technical device that stabilizes the aiming of weapons when moving (moving, rolling) the platform on which this weapon is installed.
              - on the go tanks have been shooting for a long time

              Quote: Serg65
              To avoid the ship being hit by fragments of a destroyed rocket, you need to turn this rocket into ashes.

              What for?
              In 3 seconds I will damage the GOS, THA, BIP, "Brain", control systems, this thing with impulses:

              and much more.
              just as I burned my left arm through myself (specially avoiding joints and arteries)
              Quote: Serg65
              And in order to turn it into ashes, do you need to haul an electric station behind a warship in tow ??

              What nonsense
              -chemical laser, cartridge revolving loading of capsules.
              And if in a vacuum there is a problem of heat removal, then at sea it DOES NOT exist.
              -There is only an environmental aspect (reaction products are highly toxic), but then again: the sea is not dry, there is an unlimited amount of universal neutralizer / solvent under your feet (you do not need to carry a tanker with wheels on wheels)
              (Cooling A-190-1, no oil required)

              Quote: Serg65
              Tell you how BPK "Komsomolets Ukrainy"

              no, I was present.
              I REPEAT
              The artillery shell is about 1000 m / s
              What is 1000m / s and 300. 000. 000, 00m / s = I hope you do not need to explain?
              difference 3 x 10v 5 (!) DEGREES

              The speed of the artillery shell can simply be neglected, compared with the speed of LL.
              They are in DIFFERENT time dimensions.
              The shell "stands" in place, what can we say about the shield?
          2. nikolaxp
            nikolaxp 21 February 2014 20: 01
            0
            Quote: Postman
            At a distance of 10 km, the beam penetrates the target in 0,000033 seconds (33 micro seconds)

            Firstly, the beam does not hit, but reaches the target in "0,000033 seconds (33 micro seconds)".
            Secondly, do not forget that to hit a target you need to heat it with this laser beam to the required temperature to destroy the shell or detonation, and this takes time, during this time you need to focus the beam on a moving small-sized target at a certain point of it, since any displacement of the beam increases the time of hitting the target.
            PS watch the video how an American laser hits a flying target and you will see that the target is hit not instantly, but after a few seconds of exposure
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    3. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 21 February 2014 11: 49
      +1
      Quote: Serg65
      I consider the Americans’s approval of the adoption of a laser gun for the arming of warships no more than an advertising campaign to receive money from the state.

      And so it is. I already wrote about this in neighboring branches on this topic, but lazeromani still can not calm down. laughing
      1. postman
        postman 21 February 2014 13: 50
        0
        Quote: Landwarrior
        but lazeromani still can not calm down.

        well relax.
        Hight Energy Laser from Rheinmetall is "fairy tales"




        / priests ... then they shot down a FLYING DRON at a speed of about 500 km / h, and not a boat swinging on the waves, and metal balls also shot down /
        And Boeing YAL-1

        it's the same fiction and advertising.

        What you wrote is not the truth.
        About "an advertising campaign to get money from the state" ... well, well
        Atomophobes, geneticophobes, computerophobes, submarine phobias, etc., sang the same thing (as laserphobes now sing).
        How it ended, history has shown.

        That's when F-125 (FDZ-Fregatte der Zukunft 2020 (Future Frigate 2020)) will deploy an experimental combat launcher Rheinmetall-Oerlikon by 2020, instead of the AU 127/64 LW, calm down
        1. Landwarrior
          Landwarrior 21 February 2014 14: 32
          +1
          Yeah ... Failed at point blank fiberglass model. Fear and horror, where to run and hide laughing
          It is strange that you did not remember about the "Minuteman" which the Americans shot at the show in the 80s with a laser.
          And by the way, for some reason it is not indicated what type of laser they want to put on the ship.
          1. postman
            postman 21 February 2014 15: 23
            0
            Quote: Landwarrior
            Fiberglass aircraft model overwhelmed at point blank range

            Laser tests were conducted against 3 different targets.
            1m was 15 mm thick steel beam at a distance of 1000 meters - the photo is right through, a solid cut
            A group of unmanned targets flying at a speed of 2 m / s (50 km / h), which were detected at a distance of three kilometers and shot down at a distance of two kilometers for several seconds, was attacked 180m.
            3 test was a simulation of a group attack using steel balls 82 mm in diametermoving with V = 50 m / s.
            The 30 kW laser unit (Oerlikon) immediately allocated, escorted and hit the target. According to Rheinmetall, notes that the time required for the defeat was short enough to find, accompany and Destroy targets over long distances even in bad weather.

            Quote: Landwarrior
            It is strange that you did not remember about the "Minuteman" which the Americans shot at the show in the 80s with a laser.

            This is in the 80s. In 1989, I burned five-kopek coins at that time, into the light



            Quote: Landwarrior
            And by the way, for some reason it is not indicated what type of laser they want to put on the ship.

            Neodymium Glass Laser (Nd: Glass)
            - Free electron laser
            Hydrogen Fluoride Laser
            - Chemical oxygen and iodine laser (COIL)
            1. Landwarrior
              Landwarrior 21 February 2014 16: 05
              +1
              Quote: Postman
              Neodymium Glass Laser (Nd: Glass)
              - Free electron laser
              Hydrogen Fluoride Laser
              - Chemical oxygen and iodine laser (COIL)


              Why did you write this to me? I know. You have forgotten the ruby ​​and the mirror with adaptive optics, which is on the Boeing laughing

              Quote: Postman
              the photo is right through, a solid cut

              No video laughing A few years ago, during a fire in an oil field, the MLTK-50 laser unit cut a steel structure. The work itself took about 30 hours, the whole operation took 6 days.

              As for the remaining targets, the question is what the laser was fed to and how much it was then cooled and, if hydrogen fluoride, then what size was the installation for recycling the exhaust. laughing
              "Jumbo" also hit the target, but the installation was then cooled down for about 3 hours instead of the originally announced 20 seconds between shots. And these were no longer the 80s, but quite the 2000s. wink

              Quote: Postman
              In 1989, I burned five-kopek coins at that time, into the light

              How many kilometers? laughing

              The time of combat lasers will come only when they learn to "fight" with thermodynamics laughing Well, they’ll figure out how to get around the beam saturation threshold. For the marine case, it is about 3 mW
              1. postman
                postman 21 February 2014 20: 38
                0
                Quote: Landwarrior
                Why did you write this to me? I know

                Why SHOULD ????
                there was a question:
                Quote: Landwarrior
                And by the way, for some reason it is not indicated what type of laser they are on the ship want to deliver.

                Was there a question? -> An answer is given.
                Quote: Landwarrior
                You still forgot ruby ​​and mirror with adaptive optics,

                Ruby junk (not even megawatt power), "mirror" lasers ... not available, adaptive lens - for atmospheric conditions
                Quote: Landwarrior
                No video

                write to RM, they will give you such a perspicacious

                Quote: Landwarrior
                MLTK-50 cut

                CO2 laser! structural thickness? AND? Everything in the dust on fire and combustion products.
                AND NOT 30 hours "cut", operation 30 hours
                Quote: Landwarrior
                and how much it was then cooled and if

                It has no VALUE for sea-based, unlimited supply of cooler under the "feet" and deactivator.
                On earth, in the Swiss green Alps, during tests ... this is one thing.
                DB in the sea-okiyan other
                Quote: Landwarrior
                How many kilometers?

                0,5 meter.
                What kind of iditotism? Ready to put a brush under the laser at a distance of several kilometers?
                / note: LABORATORY installation, in the center of Moscow. and kW (1st) was not.

                Quote: Landwarrior
                The time of combat lasers will come only when they learn to "fight" with thermodynamics

                Uh-huh.
                also talked about:
                - rockets = cracker
                -decaying materials = only fundamental interest
                cybernetics = cosmopolitanism
                -genetics = harmful bourgeois corrupting influence
                -Internet = pampering
                etc.
                1. Landwarrior
                  Landwarrior 21 February 2014 21: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Postman
                  Why SHOULD ????

                  Then what i asked what type of laser do Americans put on their landing craft. And you bring me a squeeze by type here.

                  Quote: Postman
                  AND NOT 30 hours "cut", operation 30 hours

                  30 hours is the total operating time of the installation. The operation took 6 days. With cooling. Power - 750 kW. No need to twist, okay?
                  Quote: Postman
                  write to RM, they will give you such a perspicacious

                  And why did they post a video with a fiberglass diploma, but is it not? Just a question, no more
                  Quote: Postman
                  For sea-based VALUE is not,

                  Uncle, do you know how salt water affects metal?

                  Quote: Postman
                  0,5 meter.

                  HERE! 0.5 meters! And you write to me here about kilometers. Defraction, school physics course, section "Optics"!

                  Quote: Postman
                  DB in the sea-okiyan other

                  Of course, I knowingly wrote about the saturation threshold of the beam. Just after this threshold, the bulk of the energy will be spent on heating water vapor along the channel of the beam.
                  1. postman
                    postman 22 February 2014 15: 44
                    0
                    Quote: Landwarrior
                    that I asked what kind of laser Americans

                    1. Actually, I talked about GERMANS!!!
                    Quote: POST

                    That's when on F-125 (FDZ-Fregatte der Zukunft 2020 (Future Frigate 2020)) by 2020 they will place an experimental combat launcher Rheinmetall-Oerlikon, instead of the AU 127/64 LW, calm down

                    and this is not a "squeeze"! that the Germans, that the Americans .. DO NOT STILL STILL, but only plan.
                    and consider the "squeeze" that I brought
                    Quote: Landwarrior
                    No need to twist, okay?

                    beam cuts regat up to 120 mm from a distance of 30 m

                    At the MLTK-50 training ground, he cut a 100 mm start pipe with an end wall of 2 centimeters in 5 minutes! Moreover, a "fire" with a diameter of 3 meters was specially made on the path of the laser beam.
                    The answer here:

                    Twist REALLY not necessary!
                    Just subtracting the 30 minute time interval between the impulses and? and is in its place
                    Quote: Landwarrior
                    Uncle, do you know how salt water affects metal?

                    Auntie !!! Do you know how to cool (and how) artillery on a ship
                    (Otto Melara, A-190 and others like them)?

                    system continuous cooling with sea water
                    metal "lives" and does not "cough"
                    Note, the metal acts: OXYGEN AND ALKALI / acid
                    Quote: Landwarrior
                    And you write to me about kilometers here.

                    repetition: this was a laboratory sample, in the center of Moscow, nobody will give me kilometers (but I won’t put my hand)
                    We look: a report (SSC RF TRINITY) on the MLTK-50 and its predecessors, as well as on Baikonur.
                    To compensate for the effects of the atmosphere - adaptive lens
                    Quote: Landwarrior
                    Just a question, no more

                    We wouldn’t have laid it out either .... as I recall Armata (and disputes), tas from skepticism of heartburn.

                    Quote: Landwarrior
                    wrote about the beam saturation threshold

                    while the pump power is limited overheating of the active medium and related phenomena.
                    1. Landwarrior
                      Landwarrior 23 February 2014 00: 43
                      0
                      Quote: Postman
                      1. Actually, I was talking about GERMANS !!!

                      One fig is the answer to the question of what type the laser was and never is.

                      Quote: Postman
                      At the MLTK-50 training ground, he cut a 100-mm old pipe with a wall edge of 2 centimeters in 5 minutes!
                      Just subtracting the 30 minute time interval between the impulses and? and is in its place

                      At the training ground! And in real conditions! Two big differences!
                      If they write that the total operating time of the installation was 30 hours, and the operation took 6 runoff (6 * 24 = 144 hours), half an hour of weather will not
                      Quote: Postman
                      Auntie !!!

                      Well excuse me, mademoiselle ... or madame hi laughing laughing
                      Quote: Postman
                      as I remember Armata (and disputes), tas from skepticism of heartburn.

                      And where does Armata give up? Is she armed with a laser gun?
                      Quote: Postman
                      while the pump power is limited by overheating of the active medium and the phenomena associated with it.

                      That is, you reject the threshold of beam pumping as a physical phenomenon? belay

                      Don't be so emotional, okay? Let me reduce the tone but you too hi
                      1. postman
                        postman 23 February 2014 11: 57
                        0
                        Quote: Landwarrior
                        One fig

                        Germans HEL chemical
                        Quote: Landwarrior
                        At the training ground! And in real conditions! Two big differences!

                        everything once started "on the training ground". MLTK-50-imperfect
                        Quote: Landwarrior
                        If they write that the total time

                        "they say that chickens are milked and cows are put on eggs."
                        The plate for what:
                        1.импульс 100-300мкс=0,0001-0,0003сек
                        interval between starts = 30 (!) minutes
                        Quote: Landwarrior
                        Well excuse me, mademoiselle ... or madame

                        it seems that my sexual status is clearly identified! or?

                        Quote: Landwarrior
                        And where does Armata give up? E

                        trend a lot, all sorts of mechanics a lot of hints - NOTHING EXCEPT plasticine
                        And this is SIMPLY MBT, the photo video will not be able to reveal anything. HOWEVER only trand.
                        This is a remark - there is no video about HEL field tests, therefore no

                        Quote: Landwarrior
                        That is, the beam threshold you

                        why speculation?
                        It
                        Quote: Landwarrior
                        bulk of the energy will be spent for heating water vapor

                        technical nonsense
                        Quote: Landwarrior
                        Let me tone down

                        that's it
                        first you need to look in the mirror and pull the log out of your eye, then look for a mote in a stranger
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        3. Serg65
          Serg65 21 February 2014 14: 34
          +4
          laughing Basil, everyone understands that science does not stand still. Of course, the time will come and the laser, as a naval weapon, will take place! But at this time it is very early to call it a military weapon for the Navy.
          1. postman
            postman 21 February 2014 15: 30
            +1
            Quote: Serg65
            But at this time it is very early to call him a military weapon for the Navy.

            wait a bit, I suppose we will all be a little surprised.
            The problem is at the stage of practical solution (adaptive lens) for the atmosphere, well, roughly speaking, like an AFAR

            Free Electron Laser Program


            The research team hopes to have a full-power prototype by 2018, which would have the ability to instantly blast targets in the sky.
  4. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 21 February 2014 10: 25
    +1
    Urgently need to come up with an asymmetric answer! For example, with a mud stain ... with a stand that is indelible in dirt ... Mud bombs and foam bombs. Time! and the whole ship is in foam, try shooting from the laser here ...
    1. ivanovbg
      ivanovbg 21 February 2014 11: 59
      0
      What a dirt collector, ordinary camouflage smoke immediately reduces the effectiveness of the lazar to nothing until it dissipates.
  5. Vitaminchik05
    Vitaminchik05 21 February 2014 12: 00
    +2
    The cost of a $ 1 shot is ridiculous - you need to accumulate a significant charge in capacitors (the cost of producing this charge is not a dollar at all), but it is also usually forgotten that the railgun barrel can only withstand a few shots, and then its complete replacement (replacement of the barrel, apart from money, is not yet 5 minutes). While this is only from the category of "Wishlist" ...
    About lasers - in some cases they will be effective, but with a direct attack of the ship (when the rocket does not fly sideways, but in the forehead) and passes the ship’s air defense zone in just a couple of seconds - the power of modern lasers is not enough to hit the rocket.
    1. abc_alex
      abc_alex 21 February 2014 12: 46
      +1
      In fact, the railgun barrel is not the funniest. At the time of the shot, the railgun generates an EMP of very strong power. This, of course, is not a nuclear explosion, but it is comparable with similar ammunition. And what is happening with the AFAR destroyer at this time, the developers are modestly silent. Although it flashed a couple of times that you had to turn off most of the radio systems before firing.

      Again, it would be very interesting to look at the aiming system for firing a blank at a target of 200+ km. Yes, even at speeds under 10 max. The earth has the property of being a ball, and in a straight line farther than 5-6 km from the deck you can’t shoot. And shooting at ballistics is a sequential passage of atmospheric layers with different densities. With the ensuing.
      And the earth has the ability to rotate ...

      Of course, the railgun is ideal as the first stage for a tactical missile, but the problem of charge accumulation makes it, to put it mildly, far from being the most rapid-firing system.
      1. postman
        postman 21 February 2014 15: 01
        +1
        Quote: abc_alex
        And what is happening with the AFAR destroyer at this time, the developers are modestly silent.

        EMR field is limited to 1,5 meters along the length of the railgun
        http://hpip.info/media/img/rail.jpg
        Quote: abc_alex
        not a nuclear explosion but comparable to similar ammunition

        ?
        the BAE Systems railgun was delivered to Dahlgren and tested on 32 megajoules (32 x 10 to the 6th degree)
        Hiroshima and Nagasaki, each nuclear weapon released energy during the explosion of about 20 thousand tons (kt) of TNT equivalent, which corresponds to 10 to the degree of 21 erg (10 to the power of 14j)
        14th degree and 6th degree, a difference of 8 orders, that is, 100 (HUNDRED MILLION TIMES)
        Conclusion: EMR of the railgun can be neglected
        Quote: abc_alex
        Although it flashed a couple of times that you had to turn off most of the radio systems before firing.


        all equipment (optoelectronic, radar, escort, gamma-ray, computers) - ACTIVATED, otherwise there would be no photo and video shooting and data for analysis
        Quote: abc_alex
        Again, it would be very interesting to look at the aiming system for firing a blank at a target at 200+ km

        for stationary or "almost stationary" (silo, nuclear power plant, aircraft carrier, or for objects with a "rigid trajectory" (satellite), what are the problems?

        Quote: abc_alex
        And the earth has the ability to rotate ...


        poor gunners and rocket launchers ... but the men don’t know.
        And how did the spacecraft get into the moon, Mars, Venus?
        Quote: abc_alex
        but the problem of charge accumulation makes it, to put it mildly, far from being the most rapid-firing system.

        SUPERCAPACITORS ON GRAPHEN ESTABLISHED A NEW RECORD
        In the very first laboratory measurements, the new ionistors showed a specific capacity of more than 150 F / g and an energy density exceeding 64 W • h / kg at a current density of 5 A / g. And at half the current density, 195 F / g and 83,4 W • h / kg were achieved with a discharge time of 69 s!
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 22 February 2014 08: 19
          +4
          Vasily, eco got you hooked! OS "Dikson" stood at the wall of the Ordzhenikidze shipyard under the legend "floating power station", they ditched a huge amount of money, but the result remained at the level of experiments.
          "Dikson fired its first laser salvo in the summer of 1980. They fired from a distance of 4 kilometers at a special target position located on the shore. The target was hit the first time, however, no one saw the beam as such and the destruction of the target from the shore. with a jump in temperature recorded a thermal sensor installed on the target. As it turned out, the efficiency of the beam was only 5 percent. All the energy of the beam was "eaten" by evaporation of moisture from the sea surface. Nevertheless, the results of the shooting were recognized as excellent. After all, the system was developed for space, where, as you know, there is a complete vacuum. But the tests of the laser gun cooled the ambitions of the commander-in-chief of the Navy, Admiral Gorshkov, who dreamed of installing laser installations on almost every ship "..." In addition to low combat characteristics, the system was cumbersome and difficult to operate. It took more than a day to fire a gun, the shot itself lasted 0,9 seconds. To combat the atmosphere absorbing the laser radiation, scientists came up with the idea of ​​letting a combat beam inside the so-called beam of enlightenment. Already the first results obtained during the firing allowed designers and representatives of the military department to judge the high efficiency and prospects of this type of weapon. For example, it was found that even the slightest burn-through of the stabilizer or airframe of a cruise missile is sufficient for the incoming air flow to break it apart. Data were also obtained about the form in which combat laser installations can be assembled, on which classes of warships they can be installed.

          As a result, it was possible to slightly increase the combat power of the laser, which could already burn through the skin of the aircraft, but, unfortunately, at a small (400 m) distance. The laser tests were completed by 1985. ".. Please note, there was no advertising hype! When Dixon moved to Ukraine and they successfully sold it to the Americans as scrap metal, they were shocked by the luck that they were lucky. They immediately classified all Soviet developments and by leaps and bounds began to make up for lost time, but judging by your calculations, they still have to work and work. knocks down the RCC to remove 5 cables, so I'll carry you in my arms !!!! And while there are no such results, work silently, conduct experiments, and do not shout to the whole world that you grabbed God by the balls. hi
          1. postman
            postman 22 February 2014 15: 55
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            Quote: Serg65
            Vasily, the eco hooked you!

            yes, okay "hooked", it is better than to blow stupidly in a tune: "oh, what are we exclusive", and the rest are slag

            Quote: Serg65
            Laser tests were completed by 1985. "

            1. The theory and mechanics of an adaptive lens have not been worked out
            2. when the computers were both BIG (I remember SM-4 and the appeared PRAVets, it was the same in 1985-1987)
            3. that theria, that the developments are now different

            Quote: Serg65
            . You, Vasily, a well-read theorist, I’m lived, smelling of an awl, a foul practitioner,

            I’m a practitioner !!! Well, he was until 1993, in any case

            Quote: Serg65
            in practice, show me how a ship’s laser knocks down anti-ship missiles to remove 5 cables,

            I definitely won’t show it already
            1. Germans showed at a distance of kilometers, see above
            2.I guess that Americans will show in 2015-2017
            Quote: Serg65
            silently work, conduct experiments, and do not shout to the whole world that you have grabbed God by the balls

            1. Well, it’s not they (producers, developers) who shout, but the magazine people. And Pi R only has press release
            2. These are still PRIVATE firms and in order to get financing, you need to "show" the product with your face
            3, Dee and the performers are forced to print, otherwise how do you stake out priority?
  6. shurup
    shurup 21 February 2014 14: 38
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    Who do you think our people learned to cut? That's right - for those who are raised in Hollywood.
    A catapult hybrid with a railgun mounted on an aircraft carrier will allow you to save on an aircraft part by directly throwing high-precision ammunition.
    We already discussed about lasers with calculations. A small improvement in the RCC will force Amers to ask for an additional budget. What are they doing on the background of the awesome public debt.
  7. Ali_Babba
    Ali_Babba 21 February 2014 18: 49
    +2
    The laser is a very promising weapon for the coast guard, fast and accurate. Yes, and he consumes energy in a pulsed mode is not too much.
  8. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 21 February 2014 21: 20
    +1
    I’m sure that we will find an asymmetric answer with a screw on a cunning American one.
    1. Uhe
      Uhe 22 February 2014 14: 02
      +1
      There will undoubtedly be. You just need to remember the brave Zulus, the invincible warriors of Africa, whose bows and spears eventually lost to the British. But still relatively recently bows surpassed firearms in accuracy, rate of fire, ease of use. Self-arrows are still used, even made for the army, but firearms won. It has long won. And the same will happen with lasers. Or with other weapons.

      Here it’s a pity another thing - this would be the energy of scientists and inventors, but for peaceful purposes ... In the USSR, the space program for the development of near-Earth space and the solar system was developed for decades. Peaceful space - what could be better? A great way for the expansion of mankind. And lasers would be very useful here. But in the end, again we are preparing to kill each other. Damned capitalism cannot exist without war, because it constantly needs new markets. Units are getting richer, and hundreds of millions are dying.
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  9. Petrovich 2013
    Petrovich 2013 12 March 2014 17: 15
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    We would have to make simple guns to fire sometimes, otherwise there is no one, the average age of workers is already over 65!
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  11. Tishka
    Tishka 1 November 2014 17: 44
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    Poor Americans studied at school, they showed us in the 6th grade how a steel ball runs in a 3-phase electric motor in a circle! It remains only to roll its winding to the enemy ship, and the railgun is ready, if the first ball does not break, then the tenth will leave a hole! And if you also raise the frequency to 400 hertz, then the oscilloscope begins to soar above the table, though not for long! So, go ahead, in mastering what we went through at school! It’s especially good to shoot over the horizon, you can always say that a 100 percent result, somewhere, something flew away, perhaps that was horrible! It remains only for engineer Garin to find out the secret of his pyramids from the hyperboloid, and the battle laser will be ready!