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Russian-Chinese military-political alliance: version 2.0

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The correct answer to the question “do we need an alliance with China?” Will not be given by experts, who are ever more active in favor or against this alliance. Not even Putin and Xi Jinping, saturating the “strategic partnership” formula with new volumes and forms of interaction - from Syria to Sochi, from the SCO to BRICS. Life itself will give the answer, and if less abstract, the inexorable logic of the development of geopolitical, geo-economic and other "geo" processes.




Union of Stalin and Mao

Recall: Russia has already had an alliance with China. JV Stalin and Mao Zedong signed the 14 of February on 1950 of the Moscow Treaty of Friendship, Alliance and Mutual Assistance. This document made the highest stories bilateral relations level - military-political union. This level, which was not reached to this day, was necessary for both the PRC and the USSR. It is hard to even imagine the development of events in another scenario. If China entered the system of the global environment of the Soviet Union, then, most likely, the Third World War would have become a reality. If the USSR did not guarantee the PRC a “security umbrella”, then the United States would most likely have decided to take revenge and unleash a war against China.

The new union passed the test of strength within a few months after the conclusion: 25 June, 1950, the Korean War began, and on October 19, the Chinese "people's volunteers" crossed the border with North Korea. It was they who, with the military-technical assistance of the Soviet Union, really opposed the Americans and their allies. During the three years of the war, about a million Chinese soldiers and officers were killed, even the son of Mao Zedong was killed. In turn, Moscow fulfilled its obligations to Beijing, covering the "volunteers" and the industrial base in the northeastern provinces from the air, and then transferring to China all the rights under the joint control of the CER, withdrawing its troops from the Port Arthur naval base. Soviet military property in the city of Dalian (Far). The construction and reconstruction of 50 large industrial facilities began in full swing, hundreds of Soviet specialists from various industries, agriculture, science and technology, government and media arrived in China, and thousands of Chinese students became examples of diligence and a thirst for knowledge in Soviet universities.

"Drang nach Osten" and "turn to Asia"

Now, both in Moscow and in Beijing, they are increasingly feeling pressure on their own frontiers, on their zones of vital interests. The geopolitical reorientation of Ukraine towards the European Union prepared over the years of Moscow’s inaction could become another major success of the West in reducing Russia's living space. Having absorbed the countries of the CMEA and the Warsaw Pact, as well as the Baltic republics of the USSR, the Euro-Atlantic structures at first did not threaten areas inhabited by Russians and Russian-speaking people, carriers of history and culture common with the population of Russia itself. But now Western pressure on the Ukrainian elite has led Russia to a new geopolitical catastrophe, to the prospect of the rapid spread of economic, political, cultural, and military patterns and structures of Western European civilization into the vital space of Russian civilization.

If Moscow is once again confronted with the policy of “drang nach Osten”, begun by the Teutonic knights and continued by the Polish kings, Napoleon and Hitler, then China again feels the onslaught on its maritime lines, launched by Japanese pirates and continued by the Anglo-French squadrons during the two Opium wars (1840-1842 and 1854-1860), and the Americans during the crisis in the Taiwan Strait at the end of the 50-s of the last century. Proclaimed by Obama in 2011, the “Turn to Asia” strategy is frankly aimed at surrounding China. China, which has become a “workshop of the world”, delivers 80% of the goods produced and raw materials purchased by sea. In this regard, two-thirds of the US Navy forces are being pushed into the Pacific basin, military treaties with old allies are being activated (Japan, South Korea, Australia), new military ties are being established (Vietnam, Singapore, the Philippines, Malaysia), and attempts are being made to win over non-engaged countries of the Indian Ocean basin (India, Myanmar, Sri Lanka). An attempt is being made to prevent China, the second economy of the world, into the hastily created TTP free trade zone (Trans-Pacific Trade Partnership).

The simultaneous containment of Russia and China by America and its allies pushes the two neighboring countries towards each other, strengthens their current strategic partnership, and forces them to consider the transition to a military-political alliance in one or another "innovative" form. The main obstacle on the way to the transition of strategic interaction to a qualitatively new level is the mutual distrust that persists in public opinion and among the political elites of both countries. A reflection of the phantom pains from three decades of confrontation is the publication of the Russian media about the Chinese preparing to jump to the North. tank divisions, and the Chinese - about "second-rate Russia", which is unworthy to be a partner of the Celestial Empire.

Russian-Chinese military-political alliance: version 2.0

The realization of the interaction potential is also hampered by the negative experience accumulated over the past years by state and private structures of both countries. These are, for example, the participation of Chinese companies in buying up forest, fish and other resources of the Far East stolen by our corrupt officials and gangsters, copying equipment samples. These are the raider seizures of the success of Chinese companies in Russia, the demands of bribes even for the implementation of projects approved at the level of heads of state, etc. This is an increasingly active work of Chinese state and private companies in Central Asia, which is viewed in Moscow as a sphere of influence of Russia. The strategy of the “Economic Zone of the Great Silk Road”, proclaimed last year by Xi Jinping, at first provoked a mixed reaction. However, after the recent conversation between the two presidents in Sochi, the countries agreed to jointly participate in the implementation of the strategy and even connect the projects of Transsib and BAM modernization to it.

Putin marked his arrival in the Kremlin with the signing of the Treaty on Good-Neighborhood, Friendship and Cooperation between Russia and China on July 16 in Moscow on 2001. This document has worked well for a decade and provided the basis for a full-fledged strategic partnership. But in the new conditions it is advisable not only to increase the volume of interaction, but also to bring it to a new level - the level of military-political union.

A union formed in terms of international law would not only strengthen the positions of both countries in the world arena, but also end the remnants of mutual distrust that impede the transition of cooperation to a higher level. The new treaty would strengthen the legitimacy of the “Agreement on the settlement of controversial border issues” signed in 2004, forever eliminating the possibility of territorial claims. At the expense of Chinese capital, the experience of accelerated development of lagging regions and labor resources, we could achieve a real breakthrough in the arrangement of the Russian East, freeing fans of other people's good from the illusions about the possibility of "internationalization" of its natural wealth. A new qualitative leap in bilateral relations would also be a guarantee against the repetition of the sad experience of 60's, when stagnation in the post-Stalin era led first to a cooling of the entire array of bilateral ties, and then to break alliance relations.

If you don't pedal all the time, the bike will fall. This simple truth can also be applied to such complex issues as international relations. The harsh political reality does not allow us or the Chinese to relax.
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  1. Clegg
    Clegg 21 February 2014 10: 29
    +3
    This is an increasingly active work of Chinese state and private companies in Central Asia, which is seen in Moscow as a sphere of influence of Russia.

    You never know what Moscow is considering, I don’t think that the Chinese will look at Russia with caution when their interests are on the line.
    1. jjj
      jjj 21 February 2014 10: 36
      +24
      China and I have no choice but to protect, develop and strengthen our alliance on all fronts
      1. 222222
        222222 21 February 2014 10: 47
        +22
        China and Russia have a common threat emanating from the United States .. At the same time, the United States identified China as the main adversary in the TOZ with a terrible economic dependence on each other ..
        The USA and the EU are doing their best to push Russia’s forehead with China. Russia and China are simply obligated to eliminate any and even the slightest distrust of each other .. and not play according to the notes of the West ...
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r 21 February 2014 12: 32
          +9
          China and Russia have a common threat from the United States.


          Let me fix it, not from the USA, but from the Anglo-Saxon world as a whole !!! The enemy must be known in person, or rather enemies! And then you will give one in the face, while others will come up from the back, who are very fond of making Anglo-Saxons! hi
      2. Clegg
        Clegg 21 February 2014 12: 49
        -5
        Quote: jjj
        to develop and strengthen our union on all fronts

        If you have China ally, it seems to me that you no longer need enemies.
        1. dmitrich
          dmitrich 21 February 2014 13: 14
          +3
          Quote: Clegg
          If you have China ally, it seems to me that you no longer need enemies.

          Nazarbayev will leave and Kazakhstan will become an enemy, we are not looking for them, they will manifest themselves. I will be glad if I make a mistake.
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 21 February 2014 15: 08
            -11%
            Quote: Dmitry
            Nazarbayev will leave and Kazakhstan will become an enemy,

            I see no reason to quarrel with Russia, the main thing is that you do not crawl to us and that’s it.
            1. dmitrich
              dmitrich 21 February 2014 16: 15
              +1
              Quote: Clegg
              I see no reason to quarrel with Russia, the main thing is that you do not crawl to us and that’s it.

              and who is climbing?
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 21 February 2014 16: 54
                -11%
                Quote: Dmitry
                and who is climbing?

                Putin with a single parliament and a single currency
                1. bootlegger
                  bootlegger 21 February 2014 19: 30
                  +6
                  Have you imagined yourself a successful state?
                  Wait to celebrate, let at least a couple of presidents change.
                  Nazarbayev is already 73.
                  How could it not be like in Ukraine?
                  1. Clegg
                    Clegg 21 February 2014 19: 46
                    -15%
                    Quote: bootlegger
                    How could it not be like in Ukraine?

                    Not on, but in Ukraine. There, All Glory to Allah has stabilized.
                    1. bootlegger
                      bootlegger 21 February 2014 21: 37
                      +3
                      I am begging you.
                      Lukin refused to sign a letter to Filkin about the crisis.
                      Since I did not understand who was responsible for what.
                      There is still to come.
                      This is just the beginning ...
                  2. Kasym
                    Kasym 21 February 2014 21: 00
                    +10
                    Guys, Cleqq is a well-known proponent of Kazakhstan’s integration with the EU and NATO membership. Hence these comments. But she doesn’t want to go down to the sinful earth.
                    NATO. Transition to NATO standards - there will not be enough gold and foreign exchange reserves. Let's take only the tanks. 1 T-000 must be changed - not matching the caliber. 72 tanks somewhere around 1000 billion without training. The same amount for ammunition. And in reserve another 5 are T-4 and T-000. And these are just tanks. This is a purely financial side. Political. The PRC and the Russian Federation will be forced to bring up their troops to our borders and strengthen the borders. Agreements on the CSTO and with the PRC in terms of security in the scrap. Surely there will be a NATO base (too interesting point in terms of geographical location) with the ensuing "consultants", incl. NGOs, and public discontent. There will be tension within the country and at the borders. My question is: "In such cases, independence and sovereignty will increase or not." Obviously not. We will be under the gun of the RF and PRC nuclear weapons. Do we need this? It follows from this that we cannot accept NATO standards and join them! Or am I not reasoning logically? Therefore, the path chosen by NAS is the only correct and least costly one. The creation of the CSTO and the building of friendly relations (including with China) is a guarantee of Kazakhstan's INDEPENDENCE AND SOVEREIGNTY. And strengthening ties with neighbors with the creation of the Customs Union, SCO, etc. etc. STRENGTHENING is the main component of SOVEREIGNTY - SECURITY.
                    EU. They will require first association with the ensuing conditions. Let's take the last example with Ukraine. We open the market (zeroing rates there) for EU goods and carry out standardization according to their patterns. If Ukraine needed 160 billion for the transition to EU standards and certification, then let us 60 billion. And then, like with Turkey. During this time, our market and industry will fall under the EU. Neither their banks, nor producers of domestic consumer goods, no agriculture - examples are mountains (the countries of Eastern Europe and the Baltic States). And their political demands, such as this blue masquerade. And Russia will tell us: "Now you are not an ALLY, BUT A COMPETITOR. GET EUROPEAN TARIFFS FOR TRANSPORTATION OF GOODS." And they will begin to block oil and gas pipelines, as Ukraine did and will denigrate our suppliers before the West. consumers. The game will be tough - how will you transport grain (after all, we rent many grain cars in Russia)? The Urals (no matter how much it costs) will switch to Russian coal. Do you want to get miners from Ekibastuz and Karaganda in the areas of Astana? Where and how will you sell and transport our goods? Remains across the Caspian. But Azerbaijan has limited transport opportunities - they themselves often use Russian ones. It turns out that we will remain in the blockade, behind the Iron Curtain.
                    That's where such games lead us. The degradation and slide into the situation of Afghanistan.
                    Collaborate - yes, trade - yes. But a union can be built if you are recognized as equal and you have the same worldview. Neither one nor the other will succeed with the EU and not. And if we talk about scientific, humanitarian, cultural, etc. ties, then we have no closer countries of the former USSR. This will be a disaster for our science and culture. This is the heritage of our ancestors, it cannot be erased from our lives even if someone wants to.
                    We will have Ukraine if we go to the EU and NATO. And we will find a replacement for NAS - there are decent ones. Yes, and he himself is not, probably preparing a replacement. Until the fall, I thought it was Tasmagambetov. But he returned Tokaev to the UN - this is his closest ally, who is known everywhere in the world. So let's see. hi
                    1. ekzorsist
                      ekzorsist 21 February 2014 21: 23
                      +2
                      Dear Kasym ... Cleqq is not a supporter of the EU, but a notorious "titular natspat".
                      And let’s honestly there are already not a few of such people in Kazakhstan. And the state’s policy in this case is not much better than the one in Ukraine - nationalism, Muslimism, plunder and sale of all resources, corruption on a state scale, impoverishment of the population.
                      1. Kasym
                        Kasym 21 February 2014 22: 34
                        +7
                        For me, the concept of "title natspat" is not clear.
                        You know, when I was young, I didn’t understand much either. There were things for which it is still a shame, but life teaches. A lot of young people study and work abroad. According to statistics, only students under 14. They see that the standard of living in Europe is better than ours. Therefore, European views appear. Nothing wrong . But when life experience and understanding of nat. interests, why this is so, and not differently. Our initial conditions (nothing immediately appears) that were a little over 000 years old. Then even a blind person will see progress. And the fact that such youth is present and enters into discussions, I am only glad.
                        I don't see anything in common about comparison with Ukraine. STABILITY is what my acquaintances from Ukraine, who have been here 3 times, noted. "You can say whatever you want for Nazarbayev. But what he does for the country is immediately obvious. We do not have such economic programs! AND WHAT THEY WORK AND GIVE A RESULT, BUT IT MEANS IT WORKS. We do not have such GDP growth! THERE ARE NO SUCH CONDITIONS FOR BUSINESS! YOU PUT TASKS FOR 50 YEARS AHEAD, BUT WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN TOMORROW! ". These are not my words.
                        1. Nationalism. Then why did they create an ANC of power? Why give 9 seats in parliament? Created nat. Theaters: Korean, Uzbek, etc. , except for those that were -Russian, Kazakh, etc. .. Why spend the money? Why have half of the Russian schools (example. Alma-Ata. Microdistrict Koktem 1,2 and 3. 81 and 51 Russian schools, 136 Kazakh, mixed RFMS and music school Baiseitova., Near Russian 21.)? Why promote in 3 languages ​​and register the status of Russian in the Constitution?
                        2. Muslimization. Probably still, at least ISLAMIZATION. Understand when the USSR collapsed with all the ideals and ideas, then people needed a replacement. And many are looking for them in religion. See how the CHURCH is gaining strength in Russia. The same thing in Kazakhstan. BUT ... Where do you see the radicals with the belts of martyrs, their demands for a change of power, terrorist attacks, etc. . The authorities, on the contrary, have recently banned religious studies abroad. Authorities talk about secular power. Religion is separated from the government and even more so from the adoption of some vitally important decisions for the country.
                        All faiths are given equal conditions. Example, on the corner of Al-Farabi and Rozabakiyev streets, a church is being built.
                        3. Theft and sale of all resources. You can agree somewhere, but where to object. “We followed the path of some Arab countries. We did not have money and technologies for the development of oil and gas fields (even the USSR did not have them, if we talk about the development of Tengiz and Kashagan). We let foreigners in, but in 20 years we have 50% for Tengiz, 10% at Karachaganak and 8% at Kashagen. Kazakhstan extracts about 33% of its oil in the person of KazMunayGaz. And we also have a priority to buy out any package if someone decides to leave the raw materials sector of Kazakhstan. "
                        Kazakhstan, as you remember, at the dawn of independence, the country had 0 reserves. And debts grew like a snowball. Where to get the money to put out the torch and start mining in Tengiz? I would look at you if you were at the helm of the country.
                        4. Corruption. Yes, I agree. But it should be noted that the landing also began. Yes and where it is not. Even in China, the United States and Europe, this problem is.
                        5. Poverty. So CAPITALISM, his mother ... And the wildest ... And no matter how sad. hi
              2. ekzorsist
                ekzorsist 21 February 2014 21: 15
                0
                Dear Dmitry, stop explaining anything to this "titular national patron" - it's useless.
                He is from the same opera that is now "peacefully" on the Maidan in Ukraine.
      3. varov14
        varov14 21 February 2014 13: 33
        +5
        Personally, I am for an alliance with China in the east and, oddly enough, for the same with Germany in the west. The German order, Russian flexibility and Chinese working capacity would have crushed everyone else. It’s a pity that no one will allow us to do this. No, of course we also know how to work, if we kick a little, and don’t feed bread on ideas.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 21 February 2014 15: 51
          +4
          Quote: varov14
          oddly enough for the same with Germany in the west.

          ... really such an idea lies on the surface ...
          BUT, the Anglo-Saxons for centuries torpedo the possibility of such a rapprochement with the Germans. Moreover, the Russian world was confronted several times with the German in the war.
          Wait, it would seem, why not? But even here the ChancellorPact interferes with the USA imposed on him for a period of 99 years, i.e. until 2044 year. The Germans are not sovereign yet ...
      4. ekzorsist
        ekzorsist 21 February 2014 21: 12
        -1
        Indeed, an alliance with China is more adequate and more reliable than an alliance with the former republics from Asia ... these multi-vector buy-ins and khans are painfully multi-vector, almost like Yanukovych ... and maybe even cooler than him.
    2. denson06
      denson06 21 February 2014 11: 41
      +4
      If you don't pedal all the time, the bike will fall. This simple truth can also be applied to such complex issues as international relations. The harsh political reality does not allow us or the Chinese to relax.

      I absolutely agree with the truth. The most interesting thing is that, in relation to politics in Ukraine, the pedals haven’t been pedaling for more than 20 years ... and the bicycle was riding .. We competently quarreled out of the blue .. We brought up enemies in the zapadents .. Now, what can the Maidan be surprised at? .. Trouble, brothers and sisters ... trouble ...
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 21 February 2014 15: 00
        +6
        I would like to repeat once again that we (more precisely, China with us) does not have an alliance. If we cooperate in some areas, then this is a necessary measure, we are fellow travelers until a certain moment. Actually, why the alliance with China 1.0 collapsed - because of the refusal of the USSR to transfer nuclear technologies to China in the first place. Immediately, "revisionists" appeared in the USSR, with whom Mao was out of the way. It is possible that it will be the same in the foreseeable future - as soon as China feels that it can do without Russia, then friction will begin: from border claims to financial problems.
        And what we call an alliance with China is similar to the judgments of my youngest son (10 years): he calls any acquaintance his friend, not understanding the meaning of this word.
        1. ekzorsist
          ekzorsist 21 February 2014 21: 26
          -1
          Well, China in this case has more territorial claims to the former Asian republics ... to their little boys and khans, than it is to Russia.
          1. Nikolay74
            Nikolay74 21 February 2014 21: 52
            0
            This is rather the weakness of "khanchiks." Russia will still be stronger than them, and Yao is holding back.
    3. APASUS
      APASUS 21 February 2014 21: 04
      +2
      Quote: Clegg
      You never know what Moscow is considering, I don’t think that the Chinese will look at Russia with caution when their interests are on the line.

      China's political interests are mainly in the region of Southeast Asia, and economic throughout the world. Russian interests are mainly tied to Europe and the countries of the former USSR. In this regard, we practically do not overlap. But in military terms, we have practically one common thing. " friend of "USA.
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 22 February 2014 08: 49
        0
        Quote: APASUS
        . In this regard, we practically do not intersect.

        In Central Asia?
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 22 February 2014 10: 24
          0
          Quote: Clegg
          In Central Asia?

          What is in Central Asia?
          Russia has almost gone there and is only interested in oil, gas, political and financial support from the authorities, while China is trying to buy up industrial potential.
          We are interested in the politics of the authorities, and they are economics
  2. Gardamir
    Gardamir 21 February 2014 10: 34
    +7
    I don’t understand
    Due to Chinese capital, the experience of accelerated development of lagging regions and labor resources, we could achieve a real breakthrough in the development of the Russian East
    . That is, we have neither capital, nor experience, nor labor? Old song in a new way? Used to sing the west will help us, now China will help us? Type a gift to China?
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 21 February 2014 11: 35
      +3
      Quote: Gardamir
      Used to sing the west will help us, now China will help us? Type a gift to China?

      Dear, there is such a principle in politics: summation of strength and mutual compensation of individual weaknesses.
      The power of Russia -
      - Vera
      - sovereignty
      - own multilingual self-sufficient Mir with a long history
      - Natural resources
      - territory

      weaknesses -
      demography

      The strength of China is
      - a thousand-year-old story, who knows how long we coexisted with our neighbors?
      - the growing "global factory of the 21st century" - which needs resources
      - demography

      weaknesses -
      - lack of historical heritage in the development of science, technology and technology, the ability to make breakthrough solutions ("paradoxical thinking")

      The common thing that connects us is
      - together shed blood in wars against common enemies
      - the similarity of Asian thinking inherent only to the peoples living in our territories (Kipling:
      We will try to understand that a Russian is a charming person while he remains in his shirt. As a representative of the East, he is charming. And only when he insists that they look at him as a representative of the most eastern of the western peoples, and not as a representative of the westernmost of the eastern ones, does he become an ethnic anomaly, which is extremely difficult to deal with. Even the owner himself never knows which side of his nature will open next.

      - Europeans will never recognize us, no matter how we try to prove it. Yes, this is not necessary ...)

      As you can see, we complement each other remarkably. And we can easily do common business. Only about us it was possible to say: "Russian and Chinese are brothers forever!"
      Try talking about others - it doesn’t sound ...

      As for the differences of views in relation to our other neighbors - we have excellent relations with India, Vietnam (China doesn’t ...), nevertheless, we TOGETHER are quite agreeable in the face of GENERAL THREATS. THOSE. we do not need other mediators to settle mutual disagreements ...
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 21 February 2014 15: 15
        +3
        Our weakness is still stronger than our strengths. And their weakness (paradoxical thinking) is rather a force. And why am I afraid of them, they have a visible goal, we have none.
      2. PACIFIST
        PACIFIST 21 February 2014 15: 42
        -5
        weaknesses -
        - lack of historical heritage in the development of science, technology and technology, the ability to make breakthrough solutions ("paradoxical thinking")
        this is a joke????? their culture is one of the most ancient and indeed many technologies came to Europe from China
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 21 February 2014 15: 53
          +3
          Quote: Pacifist
          this is a joke?????

          ...Unfortunately no.
          After - paper, gunpowder, rockets - China almost 1000let was in hibernation ...
  3. Bigriver
    Bigriver 21 February 2014 10: 41
    +3
    ... an alliance would not only strengthen the position of both countries on the world stage, but also end remnants of mutual distrustthat hinder the transition of cooperation to a higher level ...Due to Chinese capital, experience accelerated development of lagging regions and labor we could achieve a real breakthrough in the arrangement of the Russian East, etc.

    The level of mutual distrust is highly contrived.
    The second one. Why on earth will China arrange the Far East? He himself has the whole north disordered. Right now, he will jump and ka-a-ak will begin to equip someone else's land.
    The third. The Union is narrowing for us the field of maneuver in foreign policy in the eastern direction (Vietnam, India, Japan, South Korea and other Malaysia).
  4. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 21 February 2014 10: 43
    +13
    China is interested in us, first of all, as a source of resources. Of course, we need to be friends, but what can they give us? China is completely self-sufficient, and will "throw" without hesitation if a more profitable "friendship" is drawn. We need to develop ourselves, and learn from China how not to look back at the United States and everyone else.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 21 February 2014 10: 56
      +4
      Quote: Middle Brother
      China is interested in us, first of all, as a source of resources. Of course, we need to be friends, but what can they give us? China is completely self-sufficient, and will "throw" without hesitation if a more profitable "friendship" is drawn.

      Did Xi Jinping himself talk about resources? laughing
      We are much more interesting for China. But, above all, we are for him a strategic rear, without which it is impossible to concentrate on the southeast direction.
      China is not self-sufficient and highly dependent on shipping. And this is again the Southeast.
      Friends and enemies do not appear randomly and suddenly. They are a consequence of the geopolitical alignment. America can become a friend of China if it abandons its global mission and "gives" it the entire APR. Do you believe it? smile
      1. Middle-brother
        Middle-brother 21 February 2014 11: 15
        +3
        Do you believe that?

        No, of course.
        China's economic growth has become possible due to the intensive exploitation of its natural resources (of course, not only due to this). The consequence of this was an environmental disaster in many areas of China. For China, it will be very profitable to drive energy from Russia, so as not to completely ruin our own ecology.
        It is clear that there are no absolutely self-sufficient countries in the world, but China's self-sufficiency is manifested not only in relative energy independence, but in the fact that its leadership’s policy is focused on the good of its country. In the event of a divergence of interests, China will easily change orientation.
        I mean that we have no "normal" friends, everyone strives to throw in the future.
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 21 February 2014 13: 05
          +2
          Quote: Middle Brother
          .... For China it will be very profitable to drive energy from Russiaso as not to ruin your own ecology completely.

          Now China receives the vast majority of the required energy resources from the Middle East region. And in the coming decades, little will change. So China is faced with the task of ensuring control of maritime communications.
          In addition, for the second year in a row, China has been participating in a war of "nerves" over the no-man's land oil and gas reserves in the South China Sea. This is the potential for which he is now aiming, and which will allow him to diversify the balance sheet.
          Russia occupies a rather modest place in this balance. And this will objectively continue to be so.
          Just look at the map and figure out where the Russian deposits are.
          In the event of a divergence of interests, China easily change orientation.

          Not about that country is said.
          I mean this we have no "normal" friends, all strive to throw in perspective.

          Do friend states even exist?winked
          I admit that maybe I missed someone, but I don’t remember such friends in recent history.
  5. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 21 February 2014 10: 47
    +10
    If we take a sober look at all the circumstances, as the author is trying to do, then it is obvious that neither China nor Russia alone can cope with the growing threat to national interests, because as it is clear for the Anglo-Saxons, everything that is white has long been black, we (and Russia, and China) we live according to different principles, on the basis of different moral foundations. The breakdown of morality and morality is obvious - the one who is a criminal with us, with "them" (Western partners) is a fighter with the regime. So circumstances are developing towards allied relations between Russia and China is absolutely objective.
  6. Semurg
    Semurg 21 February 2014 10: 54
    +3
    Until now, Russia was ahead of China in its economic and military affairs and grew territorially and by population (there was time and bases were deployed and territories were seized from China). Now this alignment has now changed China on a horse and how it will behave is not yet clear. It will be limited to the economy or require bases and territory, but not now, but in 30 -50 years.
  7. Name
    Name 21 February 2014 11: 05
    +1
    The military-political alliance with China is now not bad, just to get acquainted with the conditions, but for now it remains only to hope that it (the alliance) will equallymutually beneficial to both parties ... hi
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 21 February 2014 11: 23
      +2
      Quote: name
      The military-political alliance with China is now not bad, just to get acquainted with the conditions, but for now it remains only to hope that it (the alliance) will equallymutually beneficial to both parties ... hi

      Often here on the website, Russian users asked me a question. Do you really believe in equal allied relations between Russia and Kazakhstan (we are territorially, economically, politically, the population is stronger than you). Now, these users are tormenting me with a question: what will they say to themselves when the China-Russia alliance will be hi
      1. Middle-brother
        Middle-brother 21 February 2014 11: 42
        +3
        Semurg
        Often here on the website, Russian users asked me a question. Do you really believe in equal allied relations between Russia and Kazakhstan (we are territorially, economically, politically, the population is stronger than you). Now, these users are tormenting me with a question: what will they say to themselves when the China-Russia alliance will be


        Incidentally, I believe that an alliance with Kazakhstan would be economically more beneficial for Russia, at least, than with China. And I believe in equal relations, if there was a political will for that.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 21 February 2014 11: 57
          +2
          Quote: Middle Brother
          that an alliance with Kazakhstan would be more beneficial for Russia

          Dear, there is the SCO, there is the CU, there will be the EEC (Eurasian Economic Union). There will be a Union of Non-Western Civilizations on our Eurasian continent ...
          1. Middle-brother
            Middle-brother 21 February 2014 12: 10
            +1
            Rus2012
            SCO, there is a vehicle, there will be a UES

            We need to cooperate more closely. Wasserman, together with Latypov, has a book "Acute Strategic Insufficiency", which describes a variant of interaction between Russia and Kazakhstan. A very sensible option
            1. Rus2012
              Rus2012 21 February 2014 12: 16
              +2
              Quote: Middle Brother
              option for interaction between Russia and Kazakhstan

              this is of course important. But not enough. Everyone must enter the Union - ALL who share our common values ​​...
        2. Semurg
          Semurg 21 February 2014 12: 01
          +1
          Middle-brother. Well, I hope your post is revered by users on your part who do not believe in equal alliances. Which claim that Russia has two allies, the army and the navy, not realizing that these are not allies but state tools (though they may consider the rake with a hammer as allies laughing)
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        4. Clegg
          Clegg 21 February 2014 12: 51
          -12%
          Quote: Middle Brother
          By the way, I believe that an alliance with Kazakhstan would be economically more beneficial for Russia,

          Russia yes, no Kazakhstan. We need to distance ourselves as soon as possible from Putin's Russia.
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          2. dmitrich
            dmitrich 21 February 2014 13: 20
            +2
            Quote: Clegg
            Russia yes, no Kazakhstan. We need to distance ourselves as soon as possible from Putin's Russia.

            flag in your hands.
          3. ultra
            ultra 21 February 2014 15: 26
            +2
            Quote: Clegg
            We need to distance ourselves as soon as possible from Putin's Russia.

            Enter your parliament with such a legislative initiative, although I think they will not support you!
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 21 February 2014 16: 55
              0
              Quote: ultra
              Enter your parliament with such a legislative initiative

              I see no reason to pass a law for this.
      2. 3935333
        3935333 21 February 2014 16: 27
        -1
        I support! Enemies need to be kept close - that's why "strategic PARTNERSHIP"! Believe me, Semurg, in the Kremlin, too, are not fuckers with users gathered .... Everyone understands EVERYTHING .... GAME!
      3. 3935333
        3935333 21 February 2014 16: 36
        0
        I support! Enemies need to be kept close - that's why "strategic PARTNERSHIP"! Believe me, Semurg, in the Kremlin, too, are not suckers with users gathered .... Everyone understands EVERYTHING .... GAME! The union will be! and Friendship will be! And if necessary, then anything will be ... and war as well!
        1. Yuri Y.
          Yuri Y. 21 February 2014 20: 28
          +1
          Quote: Clegg
          Russia yes, no Kazakhstan. Need to distance yourself from Putin's Russia as quickly as possible

          Do not lie. You want to distance yourself from Russia, no matter Putin's not Putin's (I'm talking about you personally). The rest is blah-blah, damn, not all Russians understand what they are Russian. We'll have to write to the "Opinion" on this site. And then I hear "I'm not Russian, I'm Russian." Debelism of the last stage.
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 22 February 2014 08: 54
            0
            Quote: Yuri Ya.
            Do not lie. Do you want to distance yourself from Russia, no matter Putin is not Putin (I personally about you)

            If Borova is your president, I will be your ally.
      4. ekzorsist
        ekzorsist 21 February 2014 21: 31
        -1
        Well, with Russia it’s not like with Kazakhstan ...
        Kazakhstan acted easier - everything is sold if the grandmas go into the lyre pocket.
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  8. SVD
    SVD 21 February 2014 11: 05
    +2
    The Anglo-Saxons really want to push us with their foreheads, then the Chinese will become tens of times smaller and our territory will be freed. And we must equip our lands ourselves!
  9. Altona
    Altona 21 February 2014 11: 15
    +4
    Yesterday’s discussion of the purchase by China of the latest Russian fighters by China is a confirmation of this, I wrote about it yesterday ... They correctly noted here: Russia is a powerful rear, a powerful resource base and no less powerful transit zone (Northern Sea Route, Trans-Siberian) for China. So at least contrary, but friendship will be ...
  10. shuhartred
    shuhartred 21 February 2014 11: 16
    +1
    What it all reminds me of 39 years. The Molotov-Ribbentropp Pact, only on the other hand, from the east. That's just that time it ended not very fun. You need to remember this.
  11. Oldmen1973
    Oldmen1973 21 February 2014 11: 19
    0
    The article put a minus and here's why. The article is crude, the real state of affairs is not disclosed at all, the next theses in the spirit of “Russian and Chinese are brothers forever.” China is the same aggressor as the United States. Only the United States stupidly solves its geopolitical tasks in other countries with the help of its military power and the subsequent pumping of dollars there. China operates on the principle of "economic expansion." The so-called "ownerless" territories are seized in the "Chihara", creating food and raw material colonies there. And it does not matter which country is included in this list. played by the rules dictated by China. For example, since 2011, China has been growing wheat, soybeans and other agricultural products in Argentina, and transports the harvest to itself. Because the Chinese population is no longer able to feed only the Chinese land. Argentina, by the way, is not the only country, where China reached - in Nicaragua, China is building a huge canal, which will be longer than Panama. Similar processes are taking place in Africa - in Mozambique, Nigeria, Congo, Tanzania.here I recently listened to the radio. A resident from Vladivostok calls and says: "We are not afraid that China will come, we are afraid that it will leave." Unrest in Ukraine, who do you think is in the black? The West, which in case of victory of the Maidan, will receive the economically poor western territory? Or Russia, on whose head the wrath of the "democratic-liberal" Western community will fall if we help Yanukovych. Or maybe China with its Crimean-Chinese memorandum on investments in agriculture and on the construction of a giant port in the vicinity of Yevpatoria, which, in connection with the Maidan, no one remembers, but it exists and is being implemented.
    So do not extol and do good Russian-Chinese relations. Relations like China has with Russia, with more than half of the world. There is nothing unique here. China needs a vassal and nothing more. Moreover, a vassal from which, something can be taken, and somewhere and rake his dirt, vassal, with his hands. We need to speak with them on equal terms, but for now I personally do not see this.
    1. real
      real 21 February 2014 21: 01
      0
      What is wrong with growing wheat, in the construction of the canal, in the construction of schools, hospitals, factories ??????????? Or is it better when the gun is to the temple and the wheat, canals (finished), plants are selected ??????????????
  12. Free Cossack
    Free Cossack 21 February 2014 11: 19
    0
    In this period of time, we need each other sooo much, since China now only spreads its wings, and we provide it with energy, hydrocarbons, etc. We are also the main market for Chinese consumer goods. But when China completely takes wing, then there may be two development options:
    1. (Best) China is still friendly with us and holds us as its raw materials appendage, if possible without prejudice to our national and territorial interests. Activating his views on Japan and other countries.
    2. (Worst) China presents us with territorial claims and, under a plausible pretext, captures our Far East, Khabarovsk Territory and part of Siberia. Of course, we resist, but the entire population of our country is smaller than their regular army, moreover, armed with the most modern weapons.
    Something like that...
    Of course, other options are possible !?
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 21 February 2014 12: 04
      +2
      Quote: Free Cossack
      China makes territorial claims to us

      Dear, do you know that the Russian Federation and the PRC have settled fully territorial disputes and concluded an agreement on the mutual recognition of borders?

      If you mean - the claims and fabrications of individuals in China, then at least read the comments on this article - how many hostile statements in relation to China are written by us. What will we consider their opinions official and general from the whole Russian people?

      PS: I would like, before writing openly hostile comments on this topic, to think about how it would look for a Chinese reading an article and comments on them ...
      1. Free Cossack
        Free Cossack 21 February 2014 12: 24
        +1
        In no case am I not a hater of Russian-Chinese friendly relations. And my comment does not contain any hostility, and if he offended you, I'm sorry! However, I expressed my opinion and really hope that I am wrong. However, read the comments on Chinese sites, or read the book “Piercing the eyes of Russia” published in China in 2004. You will understand that not everything is so cloudless and fluffy in our relations.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 21 February 2014 13: 04
          0
          Quote: Free Cossack
          You will understand that not everything is so cloudless and fluffy in our relations.

          ... even in the family there are differences, and we ourselves do not always agree with ourselves. Walking path overcomes ...
          1. Puffed up
            Puffed up 21 February 2014 13: 33
            -7
            So you write down the Chinese as brothers? It is a pity that you were not in Damansky. There, these "brothers" would stick a ramrod in your ear and everything would be fine. In general, the war is approaching.
      2. Puffed up
        Puffed up 21 February 2014 22: 20
        0
        Quote: Rus2012
        PS: I would like, before writing openly hostile comments on this topic, to think about how it would look for a Chinese reading an article and comments on them ...

        Yes, you are a nice person working for China! In yuan you get it!
        1. Rebus
          Rebus 22 February 2014 00: 50
          +1
          Quote: Puffed
          .

          If the Chinese are bad, then why is the Korean in the photo? laughing
    2. real
      real 21 February 2014 21: 11
      0
      The main markets for Chinese goods are the United States (6 times more than the Russian Federation), the EU (6 times more), Japan (4-5 times more), Taiwan, South Korea, Southeast Asia (4 times more), Latin America (3 times more), Africa (2,5 times more). At one time, the Korean states and China for about 1500 years (confirmed in writing) endlessly fought, intermittently .... short-lived ... About 600 years ago they signed a peace treaty, the Chinese have not violated it to this day !!! Koreans, of course, haven’t reason to break ......
  13. lexx2038
    lexx2038 21 February 2014 11: 27
    +1
    So far, we actually have no one to be friends with. China does not refuse to "make friends" while the necessary wind is blowing, but the weather is so changeable, in short, we smile, but we keep the figs in our pockets - the Asians do not forget and do not forgive - as soon as they fledge, they will roll out claims for everything, starting from the Nativity of Christ for thousands of years ... It's good for us if at that moment we turn out to be weaker. And historically, we have never had friends in the West.
  14. Galinanp
    Galinanp 21 February 2014 11: 32
    0
    This alliance is temporary, and took shape due to the presence at the moment of a common strong opponent for the two sides. The possibility of geopolitical rivalry is not excluded by both sides. This is evidenced by the buildup of the military component of Russia along with the Arctic in the Far East and Siberia, from China the buildup of land army segment in the north.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 21 February 2014 12: 39
      +1
      The Chinese in this period of history are keenly interested in our friendship, since they actively copy the technique, mainly ours, but copying does not mean making a "marble copy of the phone" who remembers is from "Hottabych" ... ("very old" , You know, I love you as a dear, but this is not about you) laughingand that’s why they come to us for technology in any form with perversions, but they’ll climb ... and here you need to play very deftly, well, Schaub and you were drunk, and the woman did not swear ... yes
  15. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 21 February 2014 11: 41
    +2
    Military-strategic partnership on an equal footing, without an ideological background, is a very difficult issue, which we are not yet ready to resolve, there are points of contact, but there are no specifics, it is not clear with the CAR, the intentions in the APR are also unclear, the development of the Far Eastern regions Russia, on what terms? Not to mention cooperation in Africa and South America, we are practically rivals there, not partners. So we’ll wait and see what kind of friendship will turn out. Do not forget that we are practically ruled by oligarchic clans and a high level of corruption, and they have a very high role of the state, thieves and embezzlers just a little, which is not so, they immediately “smear their foreheads with green paint”.
  16. hz123
    hz123 21 February 2014 12: 13
    0
    It is necessary to strengthen the sun, to strengthen the border, and not to hope for a treaty
  17. Rescuer
    Rescuer 21 February 2014 12: 36
    +1
    China will betray us, and part of Russia will take over - I think so. Then it will be difficult for us to return our lands back. The Chinese are very dangerous neighbors. In the early 2000s I was in Dalniy (Dalian) for a couple of weeks, standing next to the Varyag. During the day, there was silence and only talk about the fact that it would be a floating casino, and at night the teams of welders began to work - I saw it myself. Now China has an aircraft carrier, and we only have pieces of paper. For many years he has worked in multinational teams of over 60 nations. He constantly worked with retirees and reserve officers of the Armed Forces and the Navy of different countries. And for myself I think that the Russians need not beware of the Anglo-Saxons, but the Asians. The Anglo-Saxons are no longer warriors, the Chinese have not yet become warriors, but they will soon be. A purely personal opinion.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 21 February 2014 13: 07
      +1
      Quote: Lifeguard
      no Anglo-Saxons beware


      in the near history, the Anglo-Saxons twice dragged us into world wars. Twice put on the brink of destruction ...
      Yes and wait - what are they doing in Ukraine?
      1. Free Cossack
        Free Cossack 21 February 2014 13: 21
        +5
        Sorry! Not twice, but at least three times. Napoleon Banopart made a pact with Paul 1, and the Cossacks were already on their way to India. But Pavel suffered an apoplectic stroke, and this is how, by magic, the same Cossacks are fighting the same Napoleon Banopart. This story is certainly much longer, more colorful and scary. Then the war with Japan in 1905, also happened not without the participation of the same Anglo-Saxons. And of course the first and second world wars. In general, basically all wars in the world take place either with their participation (secret or open), or with their handouts. They themselves try to remain in the shadows, and then simply bet on the winner, if there is one, if there is none, they simply take everything for themselves.
    2. real
      real 21 February 2014 21: 26
      0
      Alexander Nevsky fought with the Germans and Swedes, Ivan the Terrible with the Tatars, Livonians, Polish-Lithuanian forces, Poles took Moscow in 1610, Peter 1 with the Turks, Swedes, in 1812 the French took Moscow, in the Crimean War they defended Sevastopol from the British, the French and Turks combined, the Japanese started the Russo-Japanese War at the instigation of the British, the revolution of 1917 was sponsored by the British, the state, the Germans, German troops stood near Moscow in 1942, the USSR lost the Cold War to the United States and NATO .... The Chinese are there (very good) incomplete) list ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
  18. Saburo
    Saburo 21 February 2014 13: 38
    0
    I will say as usual, God forbid from such an ally! At one time, we helped humiliated and insulted Germany build a combat-ready armed forces, then we shared Poland with the Third Reich ... Although of course there were some concerns that Germany would attack, but until recently no one had listened to them.
    And China is even worse. They will make us their slaves and take our land so that we don’t even notice it. If necessary, they will wait a very long time, make absolutely unrealistic concessions, if necessary, they will openly and arrogantly state their claims, but in the end they will achieve their goal.

    So I’ll say it again, no union, no friendship! You can't play politics with the Chinese.
    1. Arbatov
      Arbatov 21 February 2014 13: 56
      0
      We can’t just close our eyes and not notice such a sickly neighbor. You need to play politics exactly, always bearing in mind the historical data about the unsurpassed treachery of the Chinese.
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    3. negeroi
      negeroi 21 February 2014 14: 50
      +4
      Well, of course, Stalin was stupid, didn’t know what he was doing. And you are a prophet who says that you shouldn’t be friends with a strong neighbor, or else .... But it doesn’t come to your mind that this is the same, it’ll probably come, if you don’t be friends? Where is the logic? And don’t be friends, so maybe you don’t wait for the Peretonites, but cut to hell? Well, attack yourself, and all for a short time? Or maybe you work for the Chinese, tell us here how terrible they are and what we are facing They are helpless? And the British are deceitful, they will deceive, and, as you know, the Englishwoman spoils. Are the Negroes smelly and far away, and we don’t have to do business with them? You’ll be surprised for sure, but you need to be friends even with our so-called partners, not to mention closest neighbors. And it's not a stupid childish principle, it’s not good to fight. Although it’s also in it.

      It seems that all this does not follow from what you said. But it follows. Who do you propose to be friends with? And why are the Chinese worse than the British? Or Indians, for example, with whom for example we have many military contracts, and they have 20 !!!!! TWENTY MILLION programmers and already almost one and a half billion people, whom we are actively pulling up to the level of Germany, the model of 1939? And how are the brahmanas dearer to your heart that you are so afraid of the Shaolinites? Are you impressed by the Chinese tales that they tell themselves about themselves, and patient and invented (but didn’t copy) everything in the world, and finally? If you are so impressionable, remember Russian history, believe me, it’s a solid action game, where are the Chinese, whom we incidentally fought more than once and on their territory with all their superiority in the population Because this ratio was not even created in the 20th century. And in the 19th, China was the most populated country in the world - 500 million people. You do not need to express, and there is a terrible neighbor, and partners, but we need to be friends with everyone. We and so the most warring country, we would not have to fight at least some time, make friends so sad ..
    4. yur
      yur 21 February 2014 22: 48
      0
      Quote: Saburo
      And China is even worse. They will make us their slaves and take our land so that we don’t even notice it. If necessary, they will wait a very long time,
      Facts on the table! For example, I have facts that over the past 100 years we have fought twice with Germany, and we fought terribly, over the past 200 years we have fought several times with England, France, Poland and practically all the countries of "peace-loving" Europe. And China? For several hundred years (!) 2-3 small conflicts. The rest of the time we live quietly nearby, make friends, trade, and if our leaders pursue a smart foreign policy, then China will not be our enemy.
  19. Mazadrive
    Mazadrive 21 February 2014 15: 35
    0
    East is a delicate matter)
  20. dojjdik
    dojjdik 21 February 2014 16: 37
    +2
    the military bloc India-Russia-China will be created as soon as possible; you need to start about a joint air defense and missile defense system; equal funding; but each has its own economy and you don’t need to climb into it
    1. real
      real 21 February 2014 21: 35
      0
      Well, in the block will be (later) Japan, South Korea, Germany ....
  21. Aldo
    Aldo 21 February 2014 16: 46
    0
    China is a very insidious enemy. He has never been a friend to Russia and the surrounding countries. How many peoples have been swallowed up in the tenacious arms of the Chinese friendship. So you need to be very careful with them (with an "ax" in your bosom). and we must rely on ourselves and our closest allies. And there are only two of them, Kazakhstan and Belarus.
    1. awg75
      awg75 21 February 2014 19: 12
      +2
      yesaaaaaa Kazakhstan is a very faithful friend of Russia - this was especially evident in the Georgian-Russian conflict ... such friends for one place and to the museum
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 21 February 2014 19: 47
        -4
        Quote: awg75
        daaaaaaa Kazakhstan is a very faithful friend of Russia - this was especially evident in the Georgian-Russian conflict ..

        Yes, Kazakhstan is not a friend of Russia. And on the account of the conflict, this is an internal problem of Georgia and we recognize the territorial integrity.
    2. ekzorsist
      ekzorsist 21 February 2014 21: 41
      -1
      Well, Kazakhstan is still here !!! ally ... look at Clegg. And there are now such people in Kazakhstan as national wagons - a wagon and a small cart. And the most interesting and incomprehensible - the state cherishes and cherishes them in every possible way ... Why would it ???
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 21 February 2014 22: 22
        0
        Quote: ekzorsist
        ally ... look at Clegg

        Do not judge the people by one person. Moreover, there are 30% Russians. And it is necessary to be careful with Kiai, it was not in vain that the USSR, with a huge advantage in nuclear weapons, kept a large military grouping in the Far East. Aldo correctly put it, "to be friends", but the ax must be kept ready. Germany in the 40s taught us a lesson of "friendship" and "cooperation". hi
    3. yur
      yur 21 February 2014 23: 00
      +1
      Quote: Aldo
      China is a very insidious enemy. He was never a friend to Russia and the surrounding countries. How many peoples were swallowed in the tenacious embrace of the Chinese friendship.
      Again, as I already asked above, where are the FACTS? Provide a list of countries that China has swallowed. Or have not yet had time to dream up?
    4. Clegg
      Clegg 22 February 2014 08: 51
      0
      Quote: Aldo
      So you need to be very careful with them (with an "ax" in your bosom).

      If you Kazakh explain where such a saying came from, I'm afraid your Russian allies will not like it))))
  22. Watchman
    Watchman 21 February 2014 17: 02
    +3
    Russia has only 2 allies - the army and navy. You can be friends with the others, but you can never trust 100%.
  23. awg75
    awg75 21 February 2014 19: 09
    +4
    China is sympathetic to Russia and distrusting pedoEurope and the gay USA. in the near future, China will become one of the strongest players on the planet and good relations, and even more so, Russia simply needs an alliance with it. I am sure that together with China we will once sign at the White House in Washington as our grandfathers on the Reichstag
  24. Puffed up
    Puffed up 21 February 2014 20: 09
    -3
    Russia and Ukraine had a "Varyag", but we have Chinese "friends".
  25. parradoxic
    parradoxic 21 February 2014 21: 33
    -1
    The Russian Federation may not have other allies, for all of Europe looks into America’s mouth and moves in line with their policies. China and even India can become real allies of Russia.
  26. parradoxic
    parradoxic 21 February 2014 21: 35
    0
    Quote: dojjdik
    the military bloc India-Russia-China will be created as soon as possible; you need to start about a joint air defense and missile defense system; equal funding; but each has its own economy and you don’t need to climb into it


    exactly so, it’s still Grandma Wang predicted.
  27. Puffed up
    Puffed up 21 February 2014 22: 09
    0
    It is a pity that there are few professional soldiers on the site. The impression that the pioneers set the tone.
    - "The Chinese are our friends!" - in Soviet times, only a madman could say.
  28. v53993
    v53993 21 February 2014 23: 04
    0
    - "The Chinese are our friends!" - in Soviet times, only a madman could say

    Fight the Chinese, do not respect yourself. From the point of view of engineering, geographic and military conditions, China is not a rival to us. But the Americans are interesting to do. Learn the history of (military) gentlemen, or it will teach you.
  29. negeroi
    negeroi 22 February 2014 00: 50
    0
    In Soviet times, you wouldn’t dare to yoop on any topic. We had and will have enemies and friends, and so what? To fight with everyone? The war with China is the death of both China and Russia, the partners will bother and help. Yes, whether we even the worst enemies with China, we will not fight. It is unprofitable and deadly. Not in terms of danger per se, but in terms of the danger of the destruction of Russia and China, by an international coalition, as planned at the end of World War II. Only whistles, peacekeepers will run finish off and profit. You’re wrongly insulting the professional military by denying them intelligence and sanity. Do you think that in Soviet times there was no pro-army in the army, since America and America were not annoyed, and the professional military doesn’t think, just wave a saber and make a stand on a poster about a potential adversary. We need to be friends even with those we hate, and it is beneficial to be friends. And now no one will say that the Chinese are friends to us. We are friends against China with India. We have constant friction with China I eat on a number of issues, we do not supply China with the latest types of weapons, and together we create with India, etc., etc. But this does not mean that we do NOT need to be friends with China. We can not be friends with Burkina Faso, but You need to be friends with China. And you need to be friends with Japan, to hell with them and not the islands, but you still need to be friends. We are not in the same position as NOT to be friends. We already have an armed conflict on the border.
  30. RND
    RND 22 February 2014 01: 06
    0
    Quote: Clegg
    Quote: Middle Brother
    By the way, I believe that an alliance with Kazakhstan would be economically more beneficial for Russia,

    Russia yes, no Kazakhstan. We need to distance ourselves as soon as possible from Putin's Russia.


    Presidents come and go, but the country remains. Even if you distance yourself by means of a concrete fence, an iron curtain and other similar barriers, will everything be good for you right away? Will you be transformed over time or will you become a very independent and self-sufficient country? Then wait for other guests and partners - "how, are you still square ?! Then we are coming to you!" And really, these partners will wash you off like that - Mom, don't worry ...
  31. and why
    and why 22 February 2014 01: 11
    0
    "Thanks to Chinese capital, the experience of accelerated development of lagging regions and labor resources, we could achieve a real breakthrough in the arrangement of the Russian East" - Ie. without war, just give all of Siberia and the Far East to China and for what? To annoy the United States? China is currently an aggressively developing state, whose dangerous foreign policy tricks can lead to irreversible consequences for the whole world, and the author of the article invites Russia to enter into an alliance with this "rich boy" with a nuclear club. I call him a boy because they got a little rich, increased their presence in different parts of the world and immediately began to conflict.