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National Estonian fun: sign the border treaty with Russia and do what you want

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In the week, the foreign ministers of Russia and Estonia - Sergey Lavrov and Urmas Paet - put their signatures on the border treaty. At the same time, many news agencies presented this event as a truly breakthrough: they say that the parliamentarians quickly ratify the agreement both in Moscow and in Tallinn, and therefore now there can be no territorial claims from the two states to each other.


National Estonian fun: sign the border treaty with Russia and do what you want


Of course, signing a border treaty between neighbors is a necessary and correct thing. However, with the euphoria about this and the words about the absence of territorial claims should be postponed. Yes, the treaty draws a border line between Russia and Estonia along the same line, which is today perceived, at least in the Russian Federation, as a border, but it’s impossible to call a border treaty a document without pitfalls. What is the reason?

The fact is that the current signing of the treaty is already the third since the existence of independent Estonia and independent Russia after the collapse of the USSR. The border treaty was signed and initialed in 90-x and in the so-called "zero". One of these signings took place in 2005 in Moscow. Everything was orderly, peaceful - the Estonian deputies ratified the treaty a month later, two days later the President of Estonia entered into the matter (then it was Arnold Ruuitel) and brought to the notice of his people that the border between Estonia and Russia was drawn. The deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation were also going to ratify, however, at that moment the thought arose in someone’s bright mind to study the treaty that they ratified in the Riigikogu (Estonian parliament). They studied ... It turned out that the Balts were absolutely unsatisfactory, as they say, “by hand” supplemented the signed contract with “their” points. According to these points, the border treaty is signed solely with regard to the passage of the demarcation line, as drawn in the Tartu Peace Treaty between Estonia and Soviet Russia 2 February 1920.

It would seem, but what is there? .. Yes, you know, nothing at all ... By the very same agreement, the young Republic of Estonia grew in the areas of the Pskov and Leningrad regions of Russia right up to Kingisepp (Leningrad region), which was a peculiar gift for neighbors from generous territorial concessions "Young" Soviet authorities. That is, it turned out like this: in the 2005 year, the Estonians ratified the agreement, as they say, by “attaching” Russian territories from the Pechora settlement in the south to Ivangorod in the north. And they were based on the Tartu Treaty for a reason that looks simply amazing: they say, how can we, Estonians, base on something else (from later contracts), if we do not recognize the legal significance of the Estonian SSR, after the creation of which the RSFSR returned their lands donated to Tallinn (aka Kolyvan, aka Revel) in 1920. Honest Estonian game, nothing to say ...


This is the border they want in Estonia (with Pechora, Izborsk and Ivangorod)

For obvious reasons, then the Russian deputies refused to ratify and called on the Estonian side to begin work on the treaty again, but without any unilateral "additions." For almost 9 years, the Estonian authorities figured out how to deal with the border treaty now - after all, Brussels, beloved by the Estonian leadership, also demanded its signing from Tallinn ... And now, finally, they RIPED - THE NEXT Estonian Foreign Minister signed the NEXT border agreement - essentially, a contract that was already signed in 2005.

Now the question arises: what prevents the Estonian side from taking again and writing something “their own” this time?
Well, for example, the Russian side is hindering ... In the middle of the week, a delegation of Russian parliamentarians headed by the Federation Council headed by Mikhail Margelov went to Tallinn, realizing the piquancy of the situation with “Estonian ratifications”. Like, dear Estonian partners, if you are going to ratify, then let's ratify without tricks.

It would seem that now everything will turn out exactly, now the border will not be interpreted by the parties as it pleases, now everything is transparent and unambiguous. But the Estonian authorities are the Estonian authorities, in order to manage, even in a completely obvious situation, to find an opportunity for a "maneuver." Apparently, some unknown bacillus is hovering in the Estonian government offices, which penetrates orally (or, excuse me, peranalno) into the organisms of officials and makes them people who are capable of kooky in any situation ...

This thesis was also confirmed by the head of Estonia, Mr. Ilves. Arguing about the signed agreement, the President of the Baltic “Power” first stated that he hoped for the ratification of the border treaty by the parliaments of the two countries as soon as possible, and then, as it were, by the way, he added that despite any signed agreements, Estonia would rely on its constitution particular on her 122 article.

To understand what Toomas Hendrik Ilves had in mind, let us proceed to the consideration of the aforementioned article of the Estonian constitution. And here it is (chapter 9 “International relations and international treaties, article 122):

The land border of Estonia is established by the Tartu Peace Treaty of February 2 of 1920 of the year and other interstate treaties on borders. The Estonian sea border and air border are established on the basis of international conventions. To ratify the treaties on which Estonia’s state borders are changed, a majority of the votes of the National Assembly in 2 / 3 is required.


And then there is the 123 article, which also needs to be mentioned:

The Republic of Estonia does not conclude interstate agreements contrary to the Constitution.. If laws and other acts of the Republic of Estonia contradict international treaties ratified by the State Assembly, the provisions of international treaties shall apply.


Amazing stuff looms. That is, you can even beat your head against the wall, enter into any treaties there, and Estonia still sees its land borders only with Pechora and Ivangorod (the same Tartu agreement from 1920) until this variant of the constitution exists ... Estonia) as if recognizes the new treaty after its ratification, but the 122 article on the Tartu Treaty does not disappear from this ... And the very mocking (cynical) look is the thesis that Estonia does not conclude interstate treaties that are contrary to the constitution ... the title of the ER in this regard, well, just like from a joke: the first point is “Pechora and Ivangorod - Estonian territories”, the second point is “If Pechora and Ivangorod are not Estonian territories, then see paragraph 1”.

It turns out that one should expect the Estonian side and the ratification of the border treaty, and the revision of the constitutional article number 122, otherwise the price of the agreement is worthless, and Tallinn (which President Ilves is already actually demonstrating) will continue to refer to the Tartu Treaty, which long gone to oblivion, but not for the Estonian officials struck by the bacillus mentioned above ...
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  1. valokordin
    valokordin 21 February 2014 07: 39
    +41
    I propose to replace the name of Estonia with the historical Chukhonia, to erect a monument on the border, tortured by Estonian Nazis, to Soviet people. And so that the monument was large and visible to the Chukhon side.
    1. gsg955
      gsg955 21 February 2014 08: 05
      +14
      Only the power is understood by these Estonian chureks.
      1. smel
        smel 21 February 2014 09: 25
        +9
        And about the Kemsky volost - from a dead donkey's ears, - in my opinion, the patriots said in the famous film
        1. c3r
          c3r 21 February 2014 22: 06
          +3
          The patriots are, of course, strange, a thief (Mstislavsky) and a swindler (Bender), but on the whole they spoke correctly. Maybe they still have the keys to the apartment where the money is. And I would also like to add, there are already enough revolutions in Russia to which it’s not clear which agreements are signed, it’s not clear with whom (an example of the 90s, Sheva (Zhopard) rdnadze gave the fishing area in Kamchatka to the Amers, they quickly ratified everything and now they let our horseradish go there) and then we suffer.
        2. Polovec
          Polovec 22 February 2014 01: 12
          +1
          I propose to erase the border with Estonia altogether, and to send the dissatisfied to remove snow in Siberia. (There is a lot of snow in Siberia. Enough for everyone).
          In general, something from the side of our provinces in recent years carries a lot of stench. It's time to sanitize!
    2. jjj
      jjj 21 February 2014 08: 30
      +8
      You can always be in a state of work on the contract. Fight or something will go all over
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 21 February 2014 17: 57
        +2
        Quote: jjj
        Fight or something will go all over

        Why nata? They have their own armed forces, cycling. And for all this sprats, even troops are not needed, it’s enough to remove the tanks from the monuments and after two days they surrender.
        In general, it is interesting how this is looked at in Judea. The territory of the Chukhons was the first in the Reich to receive Judenfrey status (free from Jews), or they have one principle with the Europeans, let my cow die, if only the Russians have two.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 21 February 2014 08: 54
      +7
      If Estonia were not recognized as a state by the Leninist government, it would have remained such a chukhon.
      1. smile
        smile 21 February 2014 14: 44
        +3
        siberalt
        The Treaty of Tartu was forcibly concluded by the Leninist government - after the Germans with the Estonian nationalists (then the Entente pushed the Germans out), relying on the help of the "white knights", physically destroyed all the Red supporters of the land remaining in Russia. Estonians. like the Finns, only nationalist formations organized and armed by the Germans and then the Entente were under a hundred thousand ... and plus the white knights who actively helped the nationalists to tear off another piece from Russia, they say, let the Bolsheviks be worse .... So. that the Bolsheviks simply did not have the strength to fight everyone at once ... and do not exaggerate the significance of the recognition of Chukhonia by the Bolsheviks - they were already recognized by the Entente, the most powerful states of the Planet, by that time. Agree - almost nothing depended on us.
        1. igordok
          igordok 21 February 2014 15: 06
          +1
          Quote: smile
          The Tartu treaty was forcedly concluded by the Leninist government - after the Germans and Estonian nationalists, (then the Germans were replaced by the Entente)

          A little bit wrong. Estonians, both white and red, together with the Bolsheviks fought against the Germans, almost together. Only here the Germans, leaving leaving their weapons to white Estonians. Well, the red Estonian arrows in May 1919 crossed over to the opposite side.
          But the fleet of small-britters, lodged in Tallinn, really got it with their raids and landings. The withdrawal of the British fleet and the dissolution of the white army was the trump card for the Estonians at the conclusion of the Tartu Treaty.
          1. smile
            smile 21 February 2014 17: 47
            +4
            igordok
            I suppose. you are wrong. The entire leadership of all the Baltic "countries" was created with the knowledge and under the leadership of the Germans in the territories they occupied. A significant part of the Eastsee Germans joined the armed formations of Latvia and Estonia. German volunteers, formally dismissed from the German army (a whole corps), went there en masse. And only then the British and French forced the Germans to leave. Red and white Latvians NEVER fought together against the Germans. But the white Estonians, Latvians and Finns with the Germans and the white knights who joined them really defeated and physically destroyed the Red Estonians. Latvians and Finns. Bulak Bulakhovich and Yudenich with whom he collaborated in the fight against the Reds, remind you? The Finns, by the way, under the protectorate of the Germans, first proclaimed the monarchy, and when the Germans were ousted by the Entente, they quickly reoriented themselves and took it to hell .... remember?
            Well, the fact that the armies of white knights were disbanded and interned (and partially shot in Russophobian Finland) is a common thing - they simply used white knights as condoms to tear the Baltic countries away from Russia, then they ceased to be needed. And I don’t feel sorry for them - they, with arms in their hands, helped the Entente to tear away our lands from Russia. To the Bolsheviks in spite. see .... :)))
            And the trump card ... what trump card is there - the Bolsheviks simply did not have the strength to save the whole country - the Entente imposed the treaty on us under the threat of military operations, and our country, the Bolsheviks, simply did not have the strength or means to fight there. When we got stronger, the Bolsheviks illegally seized the land returned ... almost everything.
      2. ele1285
        ele1285 21 February 2014 17: 59
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        If Estonia were not recognized as a state by the Leninist government, it would have remained such a chukhon.

        Recognized, still chukhony and remained.
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    5. skullcap
      skullcap 21 February 2014 10: 46
      +28
      I respect Lavrov, but what the hell is a border treaty with an illegal state entity?
      I want to remind you that Peter 1 not only won, but also bought from the Swedes the land of Livonia, Estland and Ingermanland. He gave one heap of thalers and another heap of efimkov for these lands. Total - two heaps of gold.
      Therefore, Estonia is the legal land of Russia. And considering that Kolyvan, Yuriev and other cities on this land are founded by Russians, it turns out that Estonia is also the SPARK RUSSIAN EARTH, which was once occupied by one of the barbarian swamp tribes.
      Proceeding from humane considerations, the Russians allowed the Estonians to live on their rightful land. But they were wrong: the cunning invaders decided to assign OUR EARTH. This can not be allowed.
      We must demand: Estonians - out of the original territory of Russia.
      (As a last resort, you can think about leaving this land to them. But only if they return the money paid by Peter with the corresponding percentages during the use of our legal land).
      1. Lk17619
        Lk17619 21 February 2014 10: 51
        +6
        Quote: kosopuz
        And given that Kolyvan, Yuryev and other cities on this land were founded by Russians, it turns out that Estonia is also an PRIMARY RUSSIAN LAND


        Yeah, that's how our government remembered the story. laughing . They will never do anything in this composition to strengthen Russia and the Russian people. Unfortunately.
      2. drop
        drop 21 February 2014 12: 16
        +3
        Quite correctly, the question is posed and interpreted by the "kosopuz". I think that this is how the entire population of the Russian Federation interprets it. There must be justice in international affairs. I have the honor.
      3. drop
        drop 21 February 2014 12: 16
        0
        Quite correctly, the question is posed and interpreted by the "kosopuz". I think that this is how the entire population of the Russian Federation interprets it. There must be justice in international affairs. I have the honor.
      4. Barrcode
        Barrcode 22 February 2014 00: 26
        +1
        Quote: kosopuz
        In extreme cases, you can think about leaving them this land. But only if they return the money paid by Peter with the corresponding interest for the time of using our legal land

        And to this return we must add those enormous funds spent by the RSFSR for the development of the Baltic states. At the same time, do not forget to calculate inflation. Then not a single Baltic state has enough money to pay off these debts and will have to give it up to the territories. In general, for them it is a vicious circle - this is Russian land, has been such and remains to this day.
      5. bif
        bif 22 February 2014 14: 50
        +2
        Quote: kosopuz
        We must demand: Estonians - out of the original territory of Russia.
        (.. leave them this land .. if they return the money paid by Peter

        All this sounds good, but in reality, Estonia is a useless and shrill banana country, there’s nothing to take from it ... As a patient in a mental hospital, there’s nothing to take and it is useless to demand something ...
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    7. Stalnov I.P.
      Stalnov I.P. 21 February 2014 12: 58
      +2
      A few volleys of TATS and an agreement to remake Tallinn to return Russia as an original Russian city, and we give Europins to all those who do not want to live with us, let them squint.
      1. smile
        smile 21 February 2014 14: 52
        +2
        Stalnov I.P.
        Yeah ... and chegozh not immediately fucking nuclear weapons? :)))
        I understand, of course, your emotions .... moreover, the topic personally concerns me very seriously, in view of the fact that my family remained in the Baltic states ..... but there is a limit to everything, is it not so? Why write this? Or are you a worthy disciple of Brave Mishiko, who was taming Tskhinval with Grads? :)))
    8. cdrt
      cdrt 22 February 2014 02: 44
      +2
      Lord - here the god freak of neighbors delivered.
      Do not FIG to sign agreements with them until they clearly indicate that it has priority over the constitution of Chukhna
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 21 February 2014 07: 39
    +14
    Estonia will rely on its constitution and, in particular, on its 122 article


    Let these ESES members stick their 122 article into their ass-KREMLYA, it is necessary to more strictly defend the interests of RUSSIA regardless of all the expressions of the fascist followers of the Third Reich.
  3. parus2nik
    parus2nik 21 February 2014 07: 57
    +5
    If we still give in to the Estonians, Russia will be torn to pieces .. although the Chinese brothers have already lost something ...
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 21 February 2014 08: 15
      +3
      And not only to the Chinese ...
      1. ekzorsist
        ekzorsist 21 February 2014 21: 54
        +2
        Quote: ia-ai00
        And not only to the Chinese ...

        Right !!! And Kazakhs and Uzbeks and Kyrgyz and .........
        in short to all .... Isn't it time to send them all to some sort of mother? And return everything to your own surroundings!
  4. raf
    raf 21 February 2014 08: 01
    +5
    They do not want to negotiate, well, put a "big device" on them and not pay attention!
  5. Name
    Name 21 February 2014 08: 01
    +7
    И nah ...why bother with them at all ... Ratify the agreement unilaterally with the amendment on the passage of the GG in the TARTU region .. repeat
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 21 February 2014 08: 20
      +9
      Quote: name
      And nah ... why should they fence a garden with them at all ... Ratify the agreement unilaterally with the amendment on the passage of the GG in the TARTU region.


      For Tartu. Yuryev, present-day Tartu is an original Russian city founded by Novgorodians negative
    2. kind
      kind 21 February 2014 08: 23
      +8
      Let them agree now, because then the borders of Estonia will probably coincide with the borders of the city of Tallinn wink
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 21 February 2014 08: 44
        +7
        Quote: Good
        for then the borders of estonia will probably coincide with the borders of the city of Tallinn

        Not too much? what
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 21 February 2014 10: 56
          +6
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Not too much?

          Well, Good for that and Good.
          The border of Estonia must coincide with the borders of the cabinets of the Buckingham Palace. From where this bully came from: Mr. Estonia.
          As well as other sprat formations and other non-important squares.
          1. ekzorsist
            ekzorsist 21 February 2014 21: 56
            +2
            Quote: Papakiko
            Well, Good for that and Good.
            The border of Estonia must coincide with the borders of the cabinets of the Buckingham Palace. From where this bully came from: Mr. Estonia.
            As well as other sprat formations and other non-important squares.

            Think Correctly Comrade !!!
            Only in this way and in no other way!
  6. Leisure
    Leisure 21 February 2014 08: 05
    +4
    And what is so modest, they would draw to the Urals. Estonia, by its imperial mega-essence, surpasses the ambitions of Poland.
  7. askort154
    askort154 21 February 2014 08: 12
    +9
    Estonian guys are not only slow-witted, but also scammers!
  8. mountain
    mountain 21 February 2014 08: 17
    +2
    The article is correctly called with one but, Chukhon fun.
  9. old rocket man
    old rocket man 21 February 2014 08: 18
    +15
    I propose to be guided by the Nistadt peace treaty; according to it, Estonia does not exist at all laughing
    1. Arbatov
      Arbatov 21 February 2014 09: 57
      +5
      Yes, that would be a symmetrical answer on our part.
  10. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 21 February 2014 08: 41
    +3
    Ah, Moska, she’s strong, she barks at an elephant. It became fashionable to rub something with Russia. As it was fashionable to boast that there was something to do with the class leader. O.V. I built these independent and free plants and factories, trained citizens. I gave technology and did not let the West (all of our small fraternal republics) break it into small colonies and plantations. But it was necessary.
  11. treskoed
    treskoed 21 February 2014 08: 44
    +13
    At one time, representatives of the Estonian SSR came to Comrade. Stalin with a request to write the name of the city of Tallinn not only with two l, but also with two n, so that it was more Estonian. "Very well," said the leader, "then write the word Kolyma with three a - Kolymaaa"
  12. deman73
    deman73 21 February 2014 08: 58
    +5
    Chukhontsev still those freeloaders
  13. filalex79
    filalex79 21 February 2014 09: 04
    +9
    I suggest like this.
    1. treskoed
      treskoed 21 February 2014 12: 15
      +1
      In comfort - a little Kolymaaa possible!
  14. shelva
    shelva 21 February 2014 09: 06
    +5
    It would be more correct to make Lake Peipsi - the internal lake of Russia, and write this in our Constitution.
    Enemy an inch ...
  15. paul72
    paul72 21 February 2014 09: 10
    +3
    why do we need a border agreement with estonia?
    we are sad that there is no such agreement?
    if any country so needs an agreement with Russia - no questions asked for appropriate concessions.
    and then we give money to the outskirts, and the outskirts still have not signed the zero option and are claiming ownership of the USSR abroad
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  18. Good_Taxist
    Good_Taxist 21 February 2014 10: 05
    +1
    to the Ural mountains their interest-) they are in the European Union !!!
  19. Oleg56.ru
    Oleg56.ru 21 February 2014 10: 10
    +5
    When did Estonia become a country?
  20. darksoul
    darksoul 21 February 2014 10: 20
    +5
    what to solve with them, litter pid ... ee. They themselves determined our border without Estonians and that’s all .. this is my motherland I love everyone in the world
  21. igordok
    igordok 21 February 2014 10: 42
    +6
    Formally, Estonia as part of the Russian Empire was smaller than current Estonia. Estonia has occupied part of Livonia. I demand to return to the previous border. soldier

    I could be wrong, but one of the conditions for joining NATO was the absence of territorial claims. It turns out double standards - the standard of the West.
    1. Namejs
      Namejs 21 February 2014 19: 23
      -4
      You are confusing things.

      Estonia as a state was formed at the request of the Estonian people to gain freedom and independence and it was formed within the boundaries of ethnographic borders.
      Yes, and there is no Russian Empire, and the RSFSR declared itself to the new states and no heir to RI does not appear. bully
      1. igordok
        igordok 21 February 2014 20: 11
        +1
        Quote: Namejs
        it was formed within the boundaries of ethnographic boundaries.

        These "ethnographic boundaries" included the territories inhabited by Russians: parts of the Kingiseppsky and Slantsevsky districts of the Leningrad region and the Pechora district of the Pskov region.
      2. ekzorsist
        ekzorsist 21 February 2014 22: 03
        +1
        It is you that confused something, as such the states indicated above "Estonia", "Latvia", "Lithuania" rested on the Bose as a result of the Second World War and according to international agreements of that time ...
        So that ... something you don’t agree ...
      3. Pushkar
        Pushkar 22 February 2014 13: 22
        +2
        Kungs Namejs, Your paranoia with the Pytalovsky district is not enough for you? From a dead donkey ears - remember who promised you?
  22. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 21 February 2014 10: 58
    +4
    Estonia, as such, gained its statehood in the 20s of the last century, solely due to the weakness of the then Soviet Government. They have been breeding for almost a hundred years on original Russian soil! And instead of thanks, all this time Russia has been doing nasty things, big and small, oppressing the Russian-speaking population, and carrying some nonsense about the borders.
    1. igordok
      igordok 21 February 2014 11: 30
      +1
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      Estonia, as such, gained its statehood in the 20 years of the last century, exclusively due to weakness the then Soviet Government.

      By virtue of the betrayal of the Estonian red units in 1919
      The offensive began early in the morning of 24 on May 1919. In accordance with the agreement, the 1th Estonian Communist Regiment went over to the side of the Estonian army. The forces of the 2th Infantry Division of the Estonian army, meanwhile, dealt a powerful blow to the enemy grouping in the Izborsk region and entered the operational space. On the evening of May 25, the Kuperyanovsky partisan battalion entered Pskov.

      In total, more than 3500 Estonian soldiers took part in the operation, with 262 machine guns, 30 guns, two armored cars and four armored trains. The actions of the ground forces were also supported by the Peipsi flotilla.
  23. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 21 February 2014 11: 02
    +4
    Establish border posts on its territory and stop all fuss about signing the border treaty with Estonia. We do not need this contract. And we are not going to give our territories to anyone. And do not dream hot estonian guys!
  24. inkass_98
    inkass_98 21 February 2014 11: 11
    +1
    Here I am talking about the same thing: NATO does not take countries with unresolved territorial issues (Georgia as an example). How hot guys climbed - it is not clear, apparently they were very necessary.
  25. denkastro
    denkastro 21 February 2014 13: 57
    0
    Yes, the drum is spun by their illiterate president. Most importantly, they put their squiggles where necessary. Well, after ratification, any disputes will be resolved using international rules, which in turn will rely on the latest agreements signed. And they will not be able to excuse themselves (they say I not me and w-pa not mine). The news is definitely very good.
  26. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 21 February 2014 14: 16
    +2
    Why the hell do we need them with treaties, if they have some unresolved territorial issues with other states, they cannot be full members of NATO, so let them have these problems. We are running around with this flea, sniffing dichlorvos.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 21 February 2014 15: 28
      +2
      Is it far to Tallinn? laughing
  27. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 21 February 2014 16: 52
    +2
    The Russians have a proverb: what would the child not amuse, just not cry ... And the Estonian parliamentarians want to amuse. Do not give them that opportunity. No border treaties!
  28. krokodil_gena71
    krokodil_gena71 21 February 2014 18: 04
    +2
    Good afternoon or evening.
    I have another suggestion: to build a normal border with pillars and fighters with julbars, prohibit the import of products and goods, restrict the entry of Chukhons. Milk, sour cream are sour - besides this, they have nothing (although fish may also). The West does not need them; there is nowhere to put its milk. Then you can talk. Recently, these pugs understand only the language of power (only feel sorry for ours living there)
  29. Leshka
    Leshka 21 February 2014 19: 04
    0
    and if they declare war on us because of this, they will not survive the males laughing laughing
  30. Namejs
    Namejs 21 February 2014 19: 20
    -3
    It looked like from Latvia and Pytalova (Pietālava aka Jaunlatgale) the kotoria was a part of Latvia before the occupation, but in Soviet times this claw was transferred under the jurisdiction of the RSFSR.

    Of course, in the Moscow media a reference (where this fact was mentioned) to the agreement on the border of the Republic of Latvia and the Russian Federation was presented as some territorial claims.

    1. No one claims
    2. There is no Latvian. Except rare Latvian names of places. This is unnecessary for us and can not afford to go beyond economic considerations
    3. This certificate was attached as evidence that the changes occurred during the Soviet era and illegally (since Latvia was occupied and annexed).
    I apologize for the mistakes
    1. igordok
      igordok 21 February 2014 20: 33
      +3
      1. No one makes claims - put forward many times.
      2. There is no Latvian. Except rare Latvian names of places. This is unnecessary for us and we cannot afford to go beyond economic considerations. Latvians live there. And before the revolutionary and post-war. Economically, Latvia may not need to, only annoy Russia.
      3. This certificate was attached as evidence that the changes occurred during the Soviet era and illegally (since Latvia was occupied and annexed). I did not understand this claim. But the territory of the Pytalovsky region has long been Rus. 6 kilometers from Pytalovo, a suburb of Pskov is Vyshgorodok, a fortress destroyed in the Livonian War.

      Attempts to return the territories of Pytalovsky and part of the Palkinsky districts of the Pskov region, occupied by Latvia from 1920 to 1944, were made.
      In his opinion, raising the territorial issue, the Baltic republics do it with the expectation of "spoiling the attitude, inciting a bad attitude towards Russia." "They will not receive the Pytalovsky district, but ears from a dead donkey," Putin said, speaking of the Latvian claims.
      1. Pushkar
        Pushkar 22 February 2014 13: 31
        +1
        There was an attempt to put Latvian border posts in Pytalovo. With a scandal they threw it along with the pillars.
  31. krokodil_gena71
    krokodil_gena71 21 February 2014 20: 24
    +1
    If they announce, then, I think, mobilization is indispensable. Where are we to sivolapym against their armadas. I'm especially afraid of the so-called to special forces - all reconciled, tolerant little rascals.
    Self-promotion and self-exaltation of the countries of the great Baltic states (although there are more volosts) simply infuriates. They probably forgot how much they bought them and how they paid tributes with brooms. Aryans damn
  32. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 21 February 2014 21: 16
    0
    How many Ps are there in the name of the capital of Estonia?
  33. xomaNN
    xomaNN 21 February 2014 21: 54
    0
    If without banter in the comments. wink Like Lavrov, in contrast to the moronic Yeltsin’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, I still believe in a trump card. In the sense that they signed the agreement, taking into account even the remote hypothetical consequences for Russia.
  34. Navy7981
    Navy7981 21 February 2014 22: 41
    +3
    Guys! With the upcoming HOLIDAY of all of ours! Those who wore, those who wear and those who will wear shoulder straps! And Estonia is such a trifle ...
  35. Zaslavsky-S
    Zaslavsky-S 21 February 2014 23: 14
    +2
    Born and lived in Latvia. In youth, with comrades, being in the minority, boldly provoked fights. And beat the Hans. Always beat! We went to Estonia, and also won in an unequal battle. Since then, I have no doubt in the superiority of Russian fighting spirit and courage over the Baltic hot guys. Glory to Russia! Glory to the Russian people!
  36. Zomanus
    Zomanus 22 February 2014 06: 20
    +1
    Well, what can I say ... Estonia is clearly asking for the delivery of her basket of good, juicy p .. lei. Just kind Russia. Otherwise, they would have long been crushed by sanctions and they would have drawn borders according to our instructions.
  37. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 22 February 2014 12: 26
    +2
    In general, all this is our territory. am
  38. Energy
    Energy 24 February 2014 17: 01
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    oh, these Estonian imperial manners .... the fourth Reich conceived obviously)))