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Quiet "killers" will go to the ocean

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Quiet "killers" will go to the ocean

Today at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg, a solemn ceremony will be held for laying a large diesel-electric submarine Krasnodar of the 636 project.


According to Navy Commander-in-Chief Admiral Viktor Chirkov, led by Interfax-AVN, a series of six submarines of this project under construction "will enhance the capabilities and capabilities in solving problems with the permanent operational connection of the Russian Navy in the Mediterranean Sea."

It is worth adding that Krasnodar is the fourth of the boats under construction. The construction of the entire series should be completed before 2016, and all six submarines will be part of the Black Sea fleet.

As the commander-in-chief said, these boats "will make up a full-fledged formation that will allow the Black Sea people to solve complex tasks in their operational area of ​​responsibility, together with surface forces and anti-submarine aviation". He also noted:" The Navy's main command sees the prospect of using diesel-electric submarines as an important submarine component of naval groups in the near sea zone. The actions of such submarines are provided for in those marine areas where the use of atomic submarines is impossible and impractical. One of the tasks solved by non-nuclear boats is the protection of maritime communications. They perform this function in the Northern, Pacific, Baltic and Black Sea fleets. "

The headboat of the series, named Novorossiysk, was laid in August 2010 of the year and launched on November 28 of 2013.

The 636 project is the Russian development of the very successful Soviet project 877 "Halibus". According to the NATO classification, the boats of the two projects are called “Kilo”, that is, the “Killer”.

The boats of the 877 project were also called “Warsawyanka”, as they were originally intended to equip the naval forces of the Warsaw Pact countries. The name given in NATO emphasized that the usual non-nuclear submarine was in fact a formidable warship, a real killer of the enemy’s submarine and surface forces. Even in the West, the boat was called the "black hole in the ocean", since it was almost not recorded even by very sensitive sonars of the antisubmarine forces of the North Atlantic bloc.

The boats of the 877 and 636 projects are designed in the St. Petersburg Central Design Bureau of Marine Equipment "Rubin" under the supervision of the General Designer Yu.N. Kormilitsina. Were built with 1979 year in the Far East, in Gorky and Leningrad. They are eagerly bought by many foreign countries. Currently, the submarines of the Kilo class are part of the Algerian, Vietnamese, Indian, Iranian and Chinese Navy. But in the structure of the Russian Navy there are almost no underwater diesel engines, although without them the fleet is completely incomplete and even defective. Now the situation is being corrected.

Having retained all the advantages of the 877 project, the submarines of the 636 project surpass them with the power of diesel generators, full submerged speed, and cruising range in the mode of operation of diesel engines under water. They have a much lower level of underwater noise, objectively being the lowest noise submarines in the world. Boats have better equipment and the most modern weapons, including anti-aircraft and cruise missiles.

A squadron of even six such submarines can become a formidable force and ensure the protection of our interests not only in the Black, but also in the Mediterranean. Therefore, the attention paid by the Russian Navy command to the non-nuclear submarine fleet can only be welcomed.

Dossier "RG"

The boats of the 636 project have the following characteristics: length - 74 m, submerged speed - 20 nodes, maximum depth of immersion - 300 m, autonomy - 45 days, crew - 52 people.

Armament - 6 torpedo tubes, ammunition - 18 torpedoes or mines (two per machine), anti-ship missile system such as "Club-S". Air defense of the boat is provided by the Strela-3 or Igla anti-aircraft missile systems.
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  1. Megatron
    Megatron 20 February 2014 13: 03
    +28
    It is very joyful that the revival of the army and navy is taking leaps and bounds! So long ago!
    1. Sea snake
      Sea snake 20 February 2014 14: 07
      +21
      Seven feet under the keel to such beauties !!!
      Project 877 and 636 boats are the most quiet and highly maneuverable diesel boats in the world.
      Story---
    2. VAF
      VAF 20 February 2014 14: 17
      +3
      Quote: Megatron
      It is very joyful that the revival of the army and navy is taking leaps and bounds!


      Well ... another "killer" of something ... wassat Just a mortgage board. and already ... "everyone lost it" and "huddled in their naval base": laughing

      And this is not the same "killer" in the Baltic Sea that was easily discovered and "conditionally sunk" by the next and, as always, the only one, and of course "having no analogues in the world", our frigate or corvette? recourse
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 20 February 2014 14: 22
        +6
        Earrings! Well they give in to each other! otherwise how can they drink together in the "shilo" cafe later in the evening? fight after all proving who is number 1 !!! wassat
        1. VAF
          VAF 20 February 2014 14: 40
          +5
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          ! Well they give in to each other! otherwise how can they drink together in the "shilo" cafe later in the evening?


          Andrei drinks With us the same .. at one time the air defense officers "agreed". what would we .. "on higher, but more slowly" passed, and if also "calm gasket and calculation were provided" then ... oh and "it's dear to them .." got up " wassat drinks

          And we didn't have "awl" here ... "massandra" good drinks and .. "cash" from .. washer wink
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 20 February 2014 14: 48
            +6
            Quote: vaf
            And we didn't have "awl" here ... "massandra"

            Favorite air defense question: And is there still? laughing
            1. Login_Off
              Login_Off 20 February 2014 15: 04
              +26
              14 submarines of this series were built by foreigners, but they haven’t even built one yet :))) What can I talk about, we need to do new projects, forget about the old options, even let them upgrade.
              10 from China
              2 at Algeria
              2 AT VIETNAM
              And this is not counting those being built and laid.

              Is it time to think about the future.

              Now I'm waiting for the cons .....
              1. kirieeleyson
                kirieeleyson 20 February 2014 16: 48
                +5
                Submarines of the project 677 "Lada" will be for the "Varshavyanka", these like 6 should be handed over. 677 boats will be included in the project until 2020 as many as 14 units. Okay, good things, there are more and more interesting weapons. The export version of the Lad is the Amur project.
                1. andron352
                  andron352 20 February 2014 17: 09
                  +1
                  Construction of the Lada project has been suspended. The main thing is the absence of a propeller engine.
                  1. dm98
                    dm98 20 February 2014 17: 32
                    +5
                    Quote: andron352
                    Construction of the Lada project has been suspended. The main thing is the absence of a propeller engine

                    where does this information come from?
                    And what kind of device is this "rowing engine"?
                    1. kirieeleyson
                      kirieeleyson 20 February 2014 17: 45
                      0
                      apparently VNEU meant. So this has already been discussed.
                      1. dm98
                        dm98 20 February 2014 17: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: kirieeleyson
                        apparently VNEU meant.

                        Duc seemed to want to finish 2 frets with a conventional power plant. and non-volatile wanted to put on subsequent
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                    2. andron352
                      andron352 20 February 2014 18: 07
                      0
                      Rowing electric motor. For "Lada" gave out only 30% of the power. And I had to visit Lada. She is now in TEST OPERATION to the north. There, besides the engine, there are still many questions. The engine is made new but how it will go is still a question.
                    3. SkiF_RnD
                      SkiF_RnD 20 February 2014 19: 48
                      +2
                      He was mistaken at typing.

                      Mushroom motor laughing
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                  3. kirieeleyson
                    kirieeleyson 20 February 2014 17: 44
                    0
                    http://admship.ru/?p=2903
                    In the future, the submarines of the Lada project are planned to be equipped with an anaerobic, air-independent installation (VNEU), which specialists of the TsDB MT Rubin are working on.

                    At present, Admiralty Shipyards OJSC is actively preparing for the resumption of the construction of the Kronstadt submarine: the delivery dates for working design documentation are being agreed upon, and contracts for the supply of component equipment are being concluded.

                    The delivery deadline is 2017.

                    The first submarine of the series - "St. Petersburg" from 2010, is in trial operation as part of the Baltic Fleet and is currently preparing to participate in the Naval parade dedicated to the Day of the Navy.
              2. Hitrovan07
                Hitrovan07 20 February 2014 17: 15
                0
                But wasn’t the Indians killed the ship last year?
                It just turns out that they themselves do not, while others "merge" them into the junk.
                1. andron352
                  andron352 20 February 2014 17: 27
                  +1
                  Sindurakshah (Sea Warrior) 877 project, almost the same only 636 modernized 636
                2. Aleksey_K
                  Aleksey_K 20 February 2014 18: 53
                  +1
                  Indians, like the Arabs, do not know how to fight. How many Arabs "handed over" our tanks to Israel is immeasurable. And the Indians have blown away Pakistan at one time. The commander, navigator and crew must strictly comply with the requirements of the submarine documentation. There must be excellent discipline. Everyone should make decisions automatically in their places. If this is not the case, then the boat is not like a warship. The commander: "I order", and in response to him: "myself."
            2. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 21 February 2014 09: 45
              +1

              Favorite air defense question: And is there still? laughing but I didn’t know that! laughing + + +
          2. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 21 February 2014 09: 45
            +1
            tried more than once from the washer ... thing !!! wassat
      2. Leisure
        Leisure 20 February 2014 14: 59
        +2
        Beautifully do not sleep ... nyut, do not tell the story.
        1. Vasek
          Vasek 20 February 2014 18: 04
          0
          Quote: Lazer
          Beautifully do not sleep ... nyut, do not tell the story.

          good
          And the translator is some kind of dweater:
          Quote: Lazer
          are called "Kilo", that is, "Killer".

          and the information in the article is zero (more on Wikipedia),
          and the news is not new.
          The only thing that pleases is that the production was resurrected.
          And with it the hope for really new boats.
      3. inkass_98
        inkass_98 20 February 2014 15: 04
        +3
        Just a mortgage board. and already ... "everyone lost it" and "huddled in their naval base": laughing

        The mortgage board of this particular boat, but the project exists and the boats have been sailing for a long time, and they are being sold quite successfully.
      4. 100
        100 20 February 2014 15: 42
        +4
        Quote: vaf
        Well ... another "killer" of something ...

        He was always amazed at the cliches, and they like to hang them with us: the killer of aircraft carriers (without sinking a single one), ahead of time (in general from the realm of science fiction), having no analogues in the world (and only developing weapons immediately TTX and share). .. winked
        That's how much oil was poured into my ears about the "Red Cars" at the OI and how it (the machine) will grind everyone ... Sadness, yesterday my family suffered from this "threshing" ... recourse
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      6. dm98
        dm98 20 February 2014 15: 44
        +9
        Vaf, you gradually turn into Russophobe.

        Under this contract, one boat has already been launched, two more are promised to be launched this year. And I’m almost sure that I was touched by the current boat and should be in the schedule!
        Review boat is not the best of course, but really not bad. Especially in demand in the foreign market!
        Well, with regards to the recent exercises, you yourself wrote everything below!

        so do not close your eyes to scold everything that happens, there is positive news, but statements such as "unparalleled", "killers", etc., it’s time to learn how to pass by!
        1. 100
          100 20 February 2014 15: 54
          +1
          Quote: dm98
          Vaf, you gradually turn into Russophobe.

          Bugaga, time passes, nicknames and members of the forum change, but the desire to accuse one's neighbor and, due to this, to be recognized as a patriot is unshakable wassat
          Only on the wrong character you decided "points (s)" wassat make money. However, no one remembers the name of the elephant, and the Pug went down in history lol
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          2. dm98
            dm98 20 February 2014 16: 10
            +4
            Quote: 100rozh
            Bugaga, time passes, nicknames and forum users change

            This was said by the person who registered on February 16, 2014! for fun, look at the date of my registration!
            I already wrote about glasses half a year ago, you can see my story.
            Well, according to the content of my previous post ..... it is not addressed to you, so dear .....
            But you can’t get a plus from Waf! well done!
            1. 100
              100 20 February 2014 16: 20
              +1
              Quote: dm98
              This was said by the person who registered on February 16, 2014!

              Bugaga, the fact that you looked at my profile and so "screwed up" with your
              Quote: dm98
              for fun, look at the date of my registration!

              once again confirmed that it’s not worth looking into your profile ... wink
              Quote: dm98
              But you can’t get a plus from Waf! well done!

              You can replace Petrosyan ... Funny wassat I have already passed the stage when ... (pluses) are measured! Although there was a time and how you rushed (sat down) with a bare saber (w ... th) on tanks (a hedgehog) wassat
              1. dm98
                dm98 20 February 2014 16: 42
                0
                Are you healthy! ??
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                1. 100
                  100 20 February 2014 16: 46
                  -1
                  Quote: dm98
                  Are you healthy! ??

                  and right there
                  Quote: dm98
                  Are you healthy! ??

                  Well, how not to remember:
                  "quietly with myself with my right hand,
                  I'm talking ... "
                  You should consult a psychiatrist
                  Threat The rules of virtual communication say that it is necessary to designate those whom you attack ... In this case, you kind of tried to bite me? wassat
                  Therefore, he answered
            2. VAF
              VAF 20 February 2014 20: 16
              +1
              Quote: dm98
              But you can’t get a plus from Waf! well done!


              To whom to put the plus sign .. whom were the "uryakalki" trying to upset again? No.

              Here is the distraction of the news from the Maidan. so immediately someone .. "deleted", so sorry, but I don’t know who to put the plus sign, although it’s not hard to guess who. although you .. I understood it is very difficult wassat
          3. Alex 241
            Alex 241 20 February 2014 16: 23
            +3
            Hi Lesh Damn, here you are "secret physicist" laughing
            1. 100
              100 20 February 2014 16: 27
              +1
              Quote: Alex 241
              Hi Lesh Damn, here you are "secret physicist"

              Hi, I am rather not a "secret physicist", but a dissident - well, the local leaders don't like me wassat However, I'm not a 100 dollar bill wassat
        2. VAF
          VAF 20 February 2014 20: 11
          +2
          Quote: dm98
          Vaf, you gradually turn into Russophobe.


          Oh how belay

          Quote: dm98
          so do not close your eyes scolding everything that happens, there is positive news


          That's what, what about the eyes ... I never close .. not trained soldier and "read out the entire list .. please" (just do not send to "doneunas" wassat ).

          Quote: dm98
          but as for statements like "unparalleled", "murderers" and so on, it's time to learn to skip past!


          Or maybe you'd better "advise" THEM to give permission to start building and adopt something that really has no analogues and really is a killer .. ??? soldier

          Then ... you won't have to let it go? And declare .. "well .. she drowned" request

          And let it be known to you that it happened to exploit "unparalleled in the world" and "killers" the same. so I have the right to express my opinion! soldier
          1. dm98
            dm98 21 February 2014 16: 58
            0
            Quote: vaf
            so I have the right to express my opinion!

            Yes ktozh forbids you then? speak out of course.
            As far as I remember your topic is aviation, and you are a pilot, right? Or were they also a submariner? Well then share the facts, and then throw out on the fan here 9 out of 10 can!
            I also remember how much you dislike the comments of incompetent people.


            Quote: vaf
            And declare .. "well .. she drowned"

            twofold situation! and the truth is, in fact, God knows on whose side.
            What do you think, what was the next step the president should have taken after, for example, such a statement: "Ame..tsy drowned her"? so I'm not going to judge him for this statement.

            PS All the same, it’s not worth it to slander everything, the site is also watched by children ... teenagers who partly form an opinion about their country based on your comments as well. further develop your own thought, you are a smart person.
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      7. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 20 February 2014 18: 45
        +1
        I am not a submariner, but I can assume that fundamentally different methods can be used to detect submarines in the USA and in Russia. What can Russia in the field of detection have you read somewhere? I did not read anything except assumptions. Perhaps this is the biggest secret - the real capabilities of the submarine.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 21 February 2014 09: 52
          +1
          Vaf, you gradually turn into Russophobe. lol hammer Seryog ... you flyers are guardian angels of Russia, but what did he do for the Russians? I do not urge to be measured by instruments, but I would like clarity. request
          1. dm98
            dm98 21 February 2014 17: 00
            0
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            But what did he do for the Russians?

            clear!
            actually really looks like an insult, 100 births and you are not the same person by chance?
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    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 20 February 2014 15: 28
      +5
      Such an interesting photo wink

      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 20 February 2014 16: 48
        +6
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Such an interesting photo

        Sergey, have you never seen TPU? For submarines, it is normal to "load the gun through the barrel". (This is when Marshal Yenko saw a submarine trimmed to the stern, preparing to load torpedoes, and shouted: "Your boat sank!") True, the latest projects have a torpedo loading hatch for this procedure.
  2. 31231
    31231 20 February 2014 13: 06
    +3
    Good luck!
  3. Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 20 February 2014 13: 08
    +1
    What is heard about domestic developments in the field of VNEU?
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 20 February 2014 13: 27
      +6
      Quote: Volodya Sibiryak
      What is heard about domestic developments in the field of VNEU?

      On May 18 2013 in the media, the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy announced that completion of work on the first power plant for a non-nuclear submarine of 677 Aircraft is expected in 2015-2016, and the fleet will receive the first boat with a similar power plant in 2016-2017. 23 September 2013 g. Stated that the deadline for the prototype VNEU - 2016 g.


      Submarine "Amur-1650" with VNEU, 1990s
    2. vkrav
      vkrav 20 February 2014 14: 20
      +1
      Amur 950 is already on paper ...
      http://www.ckb-rubin.ru/fileadmin/editor/listovki/Amur_950_rus.pdf
      And when when it will be implemented - who knows
  4. iulai
    iulai 20 February 2014 13: 09
    +6
    Well, here again, salt to the wounds to our enemies.
  5. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 20 February 2014 13: 20
    +5
    Only pride takes on such news ...
  6. Dimsan
    Dimsan 20 February 2014 13: 22
    +3
    In technology, it came already on the substrates air defense systems are put))) but in general the more weapons the better of course
    1. andron352
      andron352 20 February 2014 17: 17
      +2
      In general, there is a pair of Igla MANPADS. Launch on the surface from the hull. So they are practically useless. True, an acquaintance from the admiral told me - he went upstairs with a model of the Needle, checked the angles of fire. Here, next to the boat, a boat with foreign tourists is taking pictures. He says he accidentally turned the model in their direction, so they almost jumped from the boat.
  7. Evkur
    Evkur 20 February 2014 13: 25
    +3
    If you had time for the 16th, then you read the site and everyone writes about the third world in the 17th year!
  8. dimarm74
    dimarm74 20 February 2014 13: 26
    +4
    The good news is .... good. Even more pleased that for the Black Sea Fleet.
    1. Sea snake
      Sea snake 20 February 2014 16: 24
      +1
      Quote: dimarm74
      The good news is .... good. Even more pleased that for the Black Sea Fleet.

      There calculation with an eye on the entire Mediterranean region. So, today the commander in chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Viktor Chirkov, said ---
      http://vz.ru/redir/?source=vz_teasers_main2&id=673549amp;vzurl=news/2014/2/20/67
      3549.html&exturl=http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/2/20/673549.html&nomain=1
  9. Duke
    Duke 20 February 2014 13: 31
    +9
    Main characteristics
    Ship Type Multipurpose DEPL
    Project designation 636 "Varshavyanka"
    NATO classification “Improved Kilo”
    Speed ​​(surface) of 17 knots
    Speed ​​(Underwater) 20 Knots
    Working immersion depth 240 m
    Ultimate immersion depth 300 m
    Autonomy of swimming 45 days
    52 crew
    dimensions
    Surface displacement 2350 t
    Underwater displacement 3950 t
    The greatest length (on KVL) 73,8 m
    The width of the body naib. 9,9 m
    Average draft (on design waterline) 6,2 m
    Power point
    Electric:
    2 diesel generator by 1000 kW,
    main motor 5500 hp
    190 horsepower electric motor,
    two standby motors per 102 hp
    Mover - one six-blade low-speed propeller
    weaponry
    Torpedo-mine armament 6 bow TA 533 mm caliber, with automatic loading, 18 torpedoes (6 in TA) or 24 mines
    Missile armament 4 RK "Caliber": anti-ship missiles ZM-54E and ZM-54E1 instead of part of the torpedoes
    Air defense MANPADS "Strela-3", or Needle 8 missiles
  10. Zamachus
    Zamachus 20 February 2014 13: 31
    +1
    more such products and Amer aircraft carriers can be driven to the docks for eternal parking
  11. PLO
    PLO 20 February 2014 13: 34
    +11
    here they are beauties good

    Novorossiysk


    Novorossiysk and Ho Chi Minh City


    source of photos
    http://forums.airbase.ru/2014/02/t60022,66--podvodnye-lodki-proekta-877-i-636.87
    47.html # p3371033
  12. tchack
    tchack 20 February 2014 13: 50
    +8
    What worries me the most is that as soon as Russia begins to build a strong fleet, a revolution begins immediately or the leader of the nation is killed ...
  13. nda59
    nda59 20 February 2014 13: 50
    +5
    Beautiful boats
  14. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 20 February 2014 13: 53
    +1
    That's right! There would be more such "dolphins", and all over the "world"! Russia alone can protect itself! As history shows, she has only TWO friends - the ARMY and the NAVY, the rest are "friends" with a stone in their bosom.
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 21 February 2014 17: 51
      0
      Arguments, POZH from "minus". To me, excuse me "to the hair dryer" your (-) - sy, just wondering whom "hurt", and than?
  15. Captain cook
    Captain cook 20 February 2014 13: 54
    +8
    Why would "Kilo" be a killer?
    Alpha, Bravo, etc. - radiotelephone letters of the alphabet. The boats were simply assigned letters without any meaning ...
    http://pobukvam.org/alphabetInfo?alphabet=int-icao
    It is used in radio communications to enhance intelligibility.
    A boat is a big plus.
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  16. skiff-xnumx
    skiff-xnumx 20 February 2014 13: 58
    +3
    ATP at least commentators give tth boats. It seems that the author of the article collected everything that he heard about the project lived and spat out. Read here. Illiteracy is amazing. A few boats is how much. If only I read Vicki. And for the shipyard I’m glad that they laid it. I hope I touched the fifth building will not be allowed for the Vietnamese, as was the case with Krasnodar
  17. gispanec
    gispanec 20 February 2014 14: 01
    +1
    so do not go to the Varshavyanka’s ocean .... the autonomy is not enough ..... I already thought about the Assassins and the Ninja)) .. and we have been waiting for these 6 beauties for a long time ...
  18. Lumumba
    Lumumba 20 February 2014 14: 11
    +1
    I wonder how you managed to isolate the diesel so much? Or does the boat have a "quiet" running mode on batteries?
    1. I think so
      I think so 20 February 2014 16: 43
      0
      Modern boats of this class have FOREVER NOBODY put diesel engines ... There are more modern and low-noise and more autonomous and not requiring air during operation. These are boats with anaerobic power plants with power from 100 to 300 kW, which increase the duration of scuba diving (autonomy) up to 700–1000 hours, and with Stirling engines for both surface and underwater swimming. But such boats can only be built by countries that have not destroyed their industry ... well, Russia, which may be building it ... and thanks for that, it wasn’t anymore ...
      1. Sea snake
        Sea snake 20 February 2014 22: 07
        0
        Dear, "I think so", read this forum here, everything will become clear to you. ---

        http://www.svvmiu.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6719
  19. Captain cook
    Captain cook 20 February 2014 14: 21
    +4
    Quote: Lumumba
    I wonder how you managed to isolate the diesel so much? Or does the boat have a "quiet" running mode on batteries?

    Diesel only works for charging batteries. In underwater position - only on electricity.
  20. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 20 February 2014 14: 43
    +1
    According to NATO classification, the boats of the two projects are called "Kilo", that is, "Killer".

    -How to hang in grams?
    -Six "kilos" wrap, my dear hi
  21. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 20 February 2014 14: 51
    0
    ... objectively being the quietest submarines in the world.

    Can someone confirm or refute this statement?
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 20 February 2014 14: 55
      +6
      Quote-Today at the "Admiralty Shipyards" in St. Petersburg the solemn ceremony of laying down the large diesel-electric submarine "Krasnodar" of project 636 will take place.
  22. dr.star75
    dr.star75 20 February 2014 14: 59
    0
    From m / f: it will not be enough!
  23. UREC
    UREC 20 February 2014 15: 05
    +2
    Do the terms surprise or have they been laid for a long time? But you need to work faster than the enemy at the gate!
  24. QWEST
    QWEST 20 February 2014 15: 31
    -1
    but unfortunately they are reducing the nuclear submarine fleet because of NATO
  25. tundra
    tundra 20 February 2014 15: 36
    +1
    It would be better if they were already on the Black Sea or appeared quickly. And then they walk here with us, but nobody here is happy. And they would have thought that if something is not something that the Bosphorus’s houses will not see laughing
  26. tundra
    tundra 20 February 2014 15: 38
    +1
    Not what the word pin .... sy cut off, a normal click. Are they afraid to offend Amerov?
    1. I think so
      I think so 20 February 2014 16: 30
      0
      "Tolerance" on this site is especially welcomed in relation to the Americans ... like a patriotic site ... but the owners are apparently the same as those of the "liberals". But do not worry, you insert a couple of dots inside this popular word and everything is in order, for example, "psi". And everyone will understand you.
  27. Horst78
    Horst78 20 February 2014 15: 41
    0
    I am not a submariner. Tell me the depth of 300m. is it enough or will not be enough?
    1. I think so
      I think so 20 February 2014 16: 23
      +1
      Soviet nuclear submarines (which cut in the first place) had a working depth of 400 meters, a maximum depth of 600 meters and an underwater speed of 82 km / h. The depth of 300 meters indicated by you is most likely the maximum immersion depth, which means that the working depth for this boat will be at the level of 150-200 meters. Much or little depends on the purpose of using this boat. If she gurgles near the coast "guarding communications" then it is quite enough ...
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 20 February 2014 17: 20
        +1
        Thanks. It's just that the article is called "Silent" killers "will go out into the ocean" so I thought that something was wrong, for the ocean the characteristics are rather weak.
      2. mpa945
        mpa945 20 February 2014 20: 54
        +1
        working immersion depth 80% of the maximum. not a single submarine with the characteristics you specified existed. so that there was nothing to cut. you write a lie.
  28. MVV
    MVV 20 February 2014 15: 43
    -1
    Quote: Sea Snake
    of the

    Why should the submarine be the most maneuverable, should it enter the bend? EVERYTHING IS EQUAL FROM A TORPEDA.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 20 February 2014 17: 20
      +6
      Quote: MVV
      Why should the submarine be the most maneuverable, should it enter the bend? EVERYTHING IS EQUAL FROM A TORPEDA.

      Oh how! And the men from the 705K project did not know about this and foolishly, while laying the anti-torpedo maneuver, fled from the torpedoes! By the way, there was an article on the site.
    2. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 20 February 2014 19: 04
      0
      Elementary. It stands still or moves. A false target is launched and a torpedo pecks at it. And maneuverability is immersion, speed, and invisibility.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 21 February 2014 00: 12
        +2
        Quote: Алексей_К
        And maneuverability is immersion, speed, and invisibility.

        Well, theorists got it today!
        "MANEUVERABILITY OF THE SHIP - The ability of the vessel to quickly change direction and speed. It is quantitatively estimated by the maximum achievable rate of change of the specified motion parameters. Depends on vessel speed, controllability and reversing characteristics. " http://www.marineterms.ru/term
        What does "invisibility" have to do with it?
        The most maneuverable submarines in the history of underwater shipbuilding are still our submarines pr 705 (K) (code "Lira").
        (From an overheard conversation of 2 lieutenants: "Why" Lyra "? - So this is not a boat, but - POETRY!")
        - full speed The Lear was the 41 node. At least the 1 boat developed 42 units during testing. They are inferior in speed only to the 222 Anchar project, which was set out from the fleet of the K-661 fleet, which set a record speed of 44,7 nodes;
        - “Lira” could chase any submarine and break away from any chase. On acceleration to full speed they only needed about 1 minutes.
        - The speed of the boat allowed her to come off even from many anti-submarine torpedoes, it needed only 180 seconds to circulate with a turn at 42 °.
        This is the question of the "maneuverability" of boats.
        The armament of the boat: 6 TA caliber 533 mm.
        Ammunition: 20 torpedoes SAET-60 and SET-65 or 24 mines PMR-1 and PMR-2.
    3. Sea snake
      Sea snake 20 February 2014 21: 42
      +2
      Quote: MVV
      Quote: Sea Snake
      of the

      Why should the submarine be the most maneuverable, should it enter the bend? EVERYTHING IS EQUAL FROM A TORPEDA.

      Well, what are you so !?
      what The maneuverability of a submarine is characterized by the intensity of controllability and speed climbing.
      "SHE SHOULD ENTER INTO THE VIRAGE?" --- smile in short: during an attack - maneuvering to take the most advantageous position for a volley ... then - maneuvering to take a position for a second salvo or ... the boat performs post-salvo maneuvering. At the same time, the enemy should be monitored, torpedoes fired and the general situation in the area of ​​attack, the possibility of establishing a firing result, as well as redeployment for re-firing or maneuvering to break away from the enemy. Those. you understand that the boat must be perfectly able to maneuver both on course and in depth, and also to perform evasion maneuvers.
      So here you don’t "Lo", young man, but a whole science of controlling rudders, propulsion system, ballast tanks ... moreover, to perform all maneuvers, as a rule, almost "blindly", that is, according to hydroacoustics and radar data.
      To get started here smile ---
      http://podlodka.info/education/34-the-theory-of-submarine/357-stability-of-motio
      n-and-maneuverability.html
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 21 February 2014 01: 02
        +3
        Quote: Sea Snake
        a whole science of controlling rudders, propulsion system, ballast tanks ... moreover, to perform all maneuvers, as a rule, almost "blindly", that is, according to hydroacoustics and radar data.

        Boat at sea comes out after the "sign", those with a standardized and known buoyancy reserve. Therefore, under water, it conventionally has zero buoyancy. Why "conditionally", but because my commander mentor told me: "It is better to have a small positive buoyancy and slowly emerge without moving, than negative and slowly sink." As long as there is movement, the rudders can compensate for both moments.
        To the help of "tanks" resort to problems with buoyancy. Here they use the course and hull of the submarine, as a wing in the incoming stream. But for the most part, these are sad, extreme situations (emergency ascent of a submarine). The Americans make a "whale jump" according to the algorithm: a bubble in the nose, rudders to ascent, forward - FULL! (And "moose" turns into salmon).
        About blind maneuvers. If the boat is in service, then it normally hears in the bow sectors up to a speed of 20 knots (at KU = + 45 * -0- -45 *). The boat is blind when the GAK "fell asleep", or its own noises clog the receiving path, but there is an active - the end of secrecy - the ID path.
        If Submarine is based on radar data, then this means:
        - she passed the YAKO point and goes home to the NP;
        - deprived of the ability to dive and uses the radar for navigational purposes (such a submarine is no longer an underwater fighter). It can give a volley of MOT like the NK and die heroically.
        1. Sea snake
          Sea snake 21 February 2014 05: 25
          +2
          Boa kaasay it right! yes good
  29. sevtrash
    sevtrash 20 February 2014 16: 00
    +1
    Air-independent engines are the current trend, the most striking representative of "Gotland", the efficiency was estimated by the American fleet, which was "sunk" by it.
    Varshavyanka has an ordinary diesel engine, of course, not the quietest. But with "Lada" has not yet happened. Will finalize when only.
    1. spech
      spech 20 February 2014 20: 47
      0
      Varshavyanka has an ordinary diesel engine, of course, not the quietest one.

      Is there infa about noise or again from (close circles)?
  30. marder4
    marder4 20 February 2014 16: 08
    +1
    already good that replenish the fleet
  31. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 20 February 2014 16: 12
    +5
    As far as I understand, Project 636 is a good, fit boat, somewhat superior to the Soviet "Varshavyanka" due to some modernization. It is sad, of course, that VNEU has not yet worked out, but there are really no options - due to the lack of stamped paper, you need to write on simple one, and, alas, we cannot afford to wait until those who have no analogues in the galaxy are ready. The ships are needed not even yesterday - the day before yesterday. Yes, the decision is forced, as with frigates 11356, but it's better to have a good ship than not to have a super-super-best.
  32. crambol
    crambol 20 February 2014 16: 12
    +3
    According to NATO classification, the boats of the two projects are called "Kilo", that is, "Killer".

    The author of the article does not know much English and is completely unfamiliar with the specifics of nautical names. In the Russian fleet, old Russian designations are used to designate letters - az, buki, vedi, etc. The striped ones have their own names - alpha, bravo, charlie (A, B, C ...). The letter K corresponds to the word "KILO". This is caused by the voice transmission of letters during radio and telephone communications. So our K-type sub, no killers!
  33. I think so
    I think so 20 February 2014 16: 17
    -4
    Diesel boats, by today's standards, are such an anachronism that there is no reason to say so. But apparently the country can’t do anything else ...
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 21 February 2014 01: 26
      +2
      Quote: I think so
      But apparently the country can’t do anything else ...

      Work is being carried out by both us and the Americans in the direction of a single engine based on an ECG decomposing conventional diesel fuel into hydrogen (http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20110913/436639922.html)
      Difficult, apparently expensive, but the light at the end of the tunnel was already dawning.
      Earlier we had a project A-615 ("Lighters"), then a suspended nuclear reactor (it came to the fleet from outer space - "Daisy") and was called "DOLLEZHAL'S egg" - by the name of the inventor.
      Now "Sarov" is testing a new version of a small-sized transport nuclear reactor.
      So the country is closely involved in this issue.
  34. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 20 February 2014 16: 19
    0
    And how are things going with the creation of an anaerobic plant? A couple of years ago, there were rumors about the purchase of German technology, while they themselves are switching to the Stirling engine, as well as the Swedes, French, Japanese. It is clear that the data in the public domain are very vague, but in general terms I would like to know about the situation ...
  35. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 20 February 2014 16: 24
    +1
    ... Armament - 6 torpedo tubes, ammunition - 18 torpedoes or mines (two per vehicle) ...

    6 on 2 = 18 ???
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 20 February 2014 17: 02
      +3
      Apparently, it means that there can be two mines per apparatus
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 20 February 2014 17: 02
      +3
      Apparently, it means that there can be two mines per apparatus
    3. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 20 February 2014 19: 06
      0
      Why not multiply 6 by 3 = 18
      1. mpa945
        mpa945 20 February 2014 21: 00
        0
        one in the trunk, two in the rack. total - on the device 3 torpedoes. mines shorter in length, two instead of one torpedo
  36. surveyor
    surveyor 20 February 2014 16: 24
    +1
    great news drinks
  37. Indifferent
    Indifferent 20 February 2014 16: 32
    +1
    All would be nothing, but just not enough weapons on it. Suitable for battles with ships, for coastal attacks. And in the middle earth it may be needed. Well, and besides, it’s a pity that the idea of ​​a mounted nuclear reactor for diesel submarines was never realized.
  38. kelevra
    kelevra 20 February 2014 16: 59
    +1
    All boats are in the Black Sea. Apparently they are expecting Ukraine to fall apart and NATO will be very close to Sevastopol! Such decisions are made on the basis of objective reasons, apparently the situation will become worse for the worse! Ukrainians should take up their minds and stop leaning in front of Germany and USA!
  39. crambol
    crambol 20 February 2014 17: 52
    +3
    Quote: Captain Cook
    Why would "Kilo" be a killer?


    At 16.12 posted a comment, but now I saw yours. We think alike! Plus to you!
    1. Captain cook
      Captain cook 20 February 2014 21: 53
      +1
      I think that just preparation or education is similar.
  40. typhoon7
    typhoon7 20 February 2014 18: 25
    +1
    Like it or not, the news is good, moving forward is already good. Respect article.
  41. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 20 February 2014 20: 03
    0
    Good! Moving on!
  42. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 20 February 2014 20: 15
    0
    Such news is always encouraging. Only now they have not yet been built and not handed over to the fleet, and when this moment is there, then we will rejoice. Ships, submarines, we are building very slowlyoooooo!
  43. Leshka
    Leshka 20 February 2014 20: 24
    0
    very good news
  44. UREC
    UREC 20 February 2014 21: 39
    0
    Quote: Semen Semenych
    ... objectively being the quietest submarines in the world.

    Can someone confirm or refute this statement?

    Probably our "PARTNERS" gave the boats the name "Black Hole"!
  45. Good_Taxist
    Good_Taxist 20 February 2014 22: 24
    +1
    Quote: vaf
    And this is not the same "killer" in the Baltic Sea that was easily discovered and "conditionally sunk" by the next and, as always, the only one, and of course "having no analogues in the world", our frigate or corvette?


    You should have seen what kind of "diesels" in the Baltic "hobble" - all the same good fellows !!!
  46. Ramzes
    Ramzes 21 February 2014 00: 05
    0
    At the Black Sea Fleet, they are really lacking very much. And taking into account what is happening in Ukraine now and how it can end (Crimean branch, for example), we need the modern Navy, Air Force and Air Force there. And already, indeed, the day before yesterday ....
  47. malikszh
    malikszh 21 February 2014 09: 06
    0
    Interestingly, the experienced crew will be typed if in 2-3 years 8 nuclear submarines arrive?
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 21 February 2014 19: 00
      0
      Well, just tell you what "filling" they will have!
  48. Ross
    Ross 21 February 2014 10: 59
    +1
    Quote: Login_Off
    14 submarines of this series were built by foreigners, but they haven’t even built one yet :))) What can I talk about, we need to do new projects, forget about the old options, even let them upgrade.
    10 from China
    2 at Algeria
    2 AT VIETNAM
    And this is not counting those being built and laid.

    Is it time to think about the future.

    Now I'm waiting for the cons .....

    in 80, 6 pieces of Varshavyanka and not one in our fleet passed through my site over 7 years! They drove everyone for export. Minister of India or other customers came to watch. And then we all still asked ourselves questions, when will we start building for our fleet? And besides Admiral, Red Sormovo collected ... And all for export.
  49. mithridate
    mithridate 21 February 2014 13: 09
    +1
    Faster them at the Black Sea Fleet!