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Hu of, Herr Schmeisser?

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Hu of, Herr Schmeisser?

"... on soft pillows you will not drive into eternity ..."

(c) Nautilus Pompilius


It is enough to appear an article with a reference to the Kalashnikov assault rifle, but no later than in the tenth comment to it, the name of a “talented” or even “ingenious” German designer, “anticipated a whole epoch”, “laid the foundations”, “predetermined”, etc., will be mentioned. d. Moreover, the role of this genius is not limited to "anticipation." The absolute majority of such commentators ascribes to him nothing less than the authorship of AK-47. The arguments, of course, are indisputable - the external similarity of AK-47 with Stg-44 and, especially, the fact in the biography, according to which this “talented designer” worked at the same factory with the true author.

An amazing thing: the man became famous for weaponswhich did not develop. The head of the company ERMA Berthold Geipel, using the development of Heinrich Volmer, put the MP-40 submachine gun into production, but it is called and is still called "Schmeisser". The AK-47 machine gun is known to those who developed it, but the "tops" persistently attribute the authorship of this weapon to Schmeisser. Nevertheless, on the basis of these two paradoxes, the glory of the "great" German gunsmith is based. Not a single Schmeisser design was produced in the amount of more than several tens of thousands, with the exception of the Sturmgever, which reached 420000 units by the end of the war. The German gunsmith idea was undoubtedly remarkable successes in the form of a Walter P-38 pistol, MP Voln's MP-40 submachine gun, Grüner MG-42 submachine gun, 98 Mauser rifles and carbines and others. That's just about Gruner, Rod, Volmer, Walter, no one speaks in superlatives. Yes, and their names are not known to everyone, but to those who are interested history weapons.

Part one. Theodore Bergman and Louis Schmeisser

What the story is not mistaken about is that Hugo Schmeisser really was a “hereditary” gunsmith. His father Louis Schmeisser, according to the memoirs of contemporaries, was a modest, benevolent person and even cordial. The pursuit of enrichment was not his end in itself. Like any creative person, he was more interested in the practical implementation of his creative ideas. For these purposes, he organized his workshop. But no matter how ingenious the invention, it will remain on paper and will not bring fame to its author until it enters the market in mass circulation. And for this we need not only production facilities and working capital, we need engineers and technologists for the development of equipment and technical processes. Looking for merchants. In general, if a designer has an entrepreneurial streak capable of not only inventing, but also organizing production, then there appear firms that have the trademark of the inventor - Mauser, Walter. But if not, then you must at least be able to negotiate with people like Theodore Bergman. In this case, the designer will have the opportunity to see his work on the shelves, but under the brand name of the company that produced it. This was the interaction of two famous people of their time, but the insinuations around the name "Schmeisser" begin precisely with their relationship. Here is a typical picture:

"In 1902-1903, the father and son Schmeisser are developing a successful self-loading pistol" Mars "... This pistol received a patent by the name of the owner of the company - Bergman, which, in turn, discourages its real creator Louis Schmeisser, but he has nothing to do he cannot, Bergman makes it clear that he is just an employee, albeit from among the indispensable ones. It was at this time that Hugo understood how greedily, cynically and most importantly without much remorse Bergman appropriated other people's inventions, earning his name by someone else's labor. Despite the fact that the weapons developed by Louis Schmeisser were taken into service in Denmark, Belgium and Spain, he himself was not officially considered to be its developer and was practically not known to anyone, remaining in the shadow of the "great Bergman." This strongly affected Schmeisser Sr.'s pride, and in 1905, Luis finally broke off all business relations with his employer and left the city of Suhl, transferring the technical guidance of the gun factory to his son, who was a weapon technician. Bergman doesn't mind. ”
A. Ruchko “Hugo Schmeisser - from Bergman to Kalashnikov”


I understand, I want to raise the Schmeisser, these intellectual labor proletarians, but why is it worthwhile to dirty a decent man, calling his actions greedy, cynical and unscrupulous? Theodore Bergman was a famous entrepreneur. His talent was primarily in the fact that he knew how to identify advanced directions in mechanical engineering, knew how to pick up personnel and, most importantly, organize production in new, yet mastered areas. One of the first Bergman mastered the production of pneumatic weapons, and even himself was his designer. He organized the production of the first vending machines. In 1894, he masters the production of the first "self-propelled crews", is engaged in the production of racing cars and aircraft engines. At home, it is called the fourth number in the German automotive industry. Having mastered the automotive industry, Theodor Bergman is keen on a new idea - automatic weapons. He sells his auto industry, which after some time becomes known under the brand name "Benz" and begins to closely engage in automatic pistols.

Unlike the current "effective managers" who can steer with equal success with the trading network and the Ministry of Defense, Theodor Bergman not only held a weapon in his hands, but also himself was engaged in designing, was an excellent engineer, he was well and thoroughly versed in the field of mechanical engineering in which he had to work. Well, to whom it is best to apply the epithets "greed", "impudent" and "cynical", we will soon find out.

In 1884, Bergman and Louis Schmeisser set about developing automatic weapons. In 1887, Bergman opens the arms branch of his company in Suhl and appoints him technical director Louis Schmeisser. In 1891, the Schmeisser family befalls misfortune - Louis's wife dies. Children are left without a mother, and a child, deprived of maternal affection and the attention of a father engaged in production, grows, as a rule, selfish. Becoming adults, such people continue to suffer due to the lack of attention to them from others.

Part two. About patents

There are patents and there are patents. A patent makes sense if it cannot be bypassed by another engineering solution, or such a detour is significantly more expensive. For example, a hole at the tip of a needle in a Singer sewing machine, or a hole in the blade of a Spyderco folding knife. But when they receive a patent for the location of the return spring under the barrel, if it can be placed both above and behind and around the barrel, then this is not a patent. This is vanity, and the author of the patent is a patent troll.

Andrei Malakhov’s “Let Them Talk” program has lost a lot due to the untimely death of Luis Schmeisser and Theodor Bergman. The story of how the damned capitalist Bergman aches the talent of an unrecognized genius, attributing to himself all his inventions, and poor Louis Schmeisser, all in tears, goes to work and invent for another company, would surely go into the treasury of his plots. We turn better to two arguments and two facts.

Argument one: if Bergman patented something from inventions made personally by Louis Schmeisser, then the price of these patents was zero. Frankly failed model gun 1894 / 96 of the year. This weapon was designed without an understanding of the physics of the process in automation with a free gate, so it was unreliable and inconvenient. Other models were more reliable, but could not boast large quantities. More successful model "Mars" took part in the competition for the supply to the Kaiser army in the period from 1902 to 1904, but lost to Luger. As engineers, Bergman and Schmeisser could not help but realize that the Browning, Mauser, Luger models have much better market prospects than Schmeisser’s designs. Weak consolation was an order for an experimental batch of “Mars” from Spain. But then Bergman suffered another blow. He signed a contract for the production of pistols with a subcontractor, who after a while banally “threw” him, after which Bergman sold the license to manufacture the Marsow to the Belgians and decided to tie it up with the pistols.

Bergman is no stranger. And what is Schmeisser? Ten years of work, and all down the drain? True, there is still a machine gun, on which Schmeisser and Bergman have been working with 1901 of the year. But the designer is already 57 years old. For the beginning of the twentieth century it is a time. His most capable son, Hugo, is already a fairly mature and independent engineer, ready to take responsibility for developing new weapons. Therefore, it is logical that Louis Schmeisser went to refine the retirement experience in Frankfurt, where he was given the opportunity to continue to engage in pistols, and his son took his place.

Argument Two: So, Bergman "eagerly and cynically ..." Presumably, at the firm "Rheinmetall" with Louis Schmeisser treated differently. But, nevertheless, Schmeisser pistols were successfully patented and issued, but now under the trademark Dreyse. By the way, the same far from technical excellence, but with much more tangible commercial success.

The first fact (at the level of rumors). They say that to all else, Bergman’s son falls in love with Schmeisser’s daughter, and Bergman denies him nepotism. Schmeisser was upset and left Bergman. I do not know, I did not hold a candle. But in any case, the argument is more weighty than the insult for the attribution of patents.

The fact of the second.




Louis Schmeisser goes to the city of Erfurt to the company "Rheinmetall". His family remains in Suhl, and the technical director of Bergman becomes the son of Schmeisser Hugo, engaged in the development, which began his father. Pope made room for his son and kept the technical continuity in the enterprise. Bergman produced weapons under his own brand. And everyone was happy.

1 Remark

In 1907, 19-year-old Louis Stange enters the disciples of Louis Schmeisser. Planting a tree, building a house and raising sons is the lot of every man. Having your own students is the pinnacle of the achievements of a creative person. But it is not given to everyone. Rod became a worthy pupil and an accomplished designer, and after the death of Louis Schmeisser, he became his successor on the Rheinmetall. Thus, Louis Schmeisser brought up two technical directors - his son, working for Bergman, and Louis Stang, working for Rheinmetall, the future developer of the first single machine gun MG-34 and the automatic rifle FG-42.

2 Remark

A year after the birth of Hugo Schmeisser, in the German village of Altdorf, a fourth child was born in the family of German peasants Volmer, who was named Heinrich. The boy grew up, was educated at a vocational school and got a job as a mechanic. He studied at a Sunday school for four years and finally entered the engineering department of a machine tool manufacturing company. He made his first invention in 1908. It was a sawing machine. Further, the patent has its own firm. By the beginning of World War I, Volmer already had a solid company that produced machines for sharpening and setting saws, parts for machine guns, propellers for airplanes. As you can see, we face a rare case when a designer and an entrepreneur are combined in one person. Looking ahead, I will say that Volmer's company still exists.

Part Three The birth of submachine guns

Analysis of the fighting of the first year of the First World War forced the best staff minds of the warring countries to tense up: the need to create light automatic weapons for a less powerful than a rifle cartridge, became obvious. In Russia, Colonel Fedorov came to the idea of ​​creating a machine gun with a rifle cartridge of reduced power, which he realized in his machine gun in 1916 year. In Germany and Italy, the understanding of the need for a reduced-power cartridge may have come later, but for now we decided to limit ourselves to automatic fire by a pistol cartridge. And the Italians and Germans approached the formulation of the problem from completely different positions. Italy approached the decision from a defensive position. Major Abel Revelli developed in 1915 a heavy double-barreled machine gun under the pistol cartridge for defensive fire, which after some time quite logically transformed into the first full-fledged submachine gun Beretta M1918.

But the German generals proceeded from the attacking positions. They implemented the idea of ​​small assault groups to solve the “positional impasse” paradox. Such groups were supposed to launch an attack from a close position, by analogy with a boarding battle. And for such a fight, the musketons with a barrel rifle, shooting grapeshot, were the best weapons. This made it possible to compensate the time for precise aiming and gave a chance to hit more than one target with one shot. But at the beginning of the 20 progressive century you will not be able to storm trenches with musketons. Therefore, the search began for new weapons. Obvious was the use of a pistol cartridge, but the issue with the weapon arose. The existing automatic pistols had two drawbacks - the small volume of the magazine and the absence of automatic fire. And here in the 1915, the German General Staff was developing a technical task for a weapon, which, by a combination of indicators, could already be called a submachine gun.

I specifically decided to distract a little from the topic in order to show the very evolution of the emergence of a separate class of weapons. As you can see, the emergence of a class of submachine guns was preceded by collective thought and analysis, and not an insight into the "genius designer" (loner). The idea of ​​an automatic fire pistol cartridge was born along with the pistol cartridge itself. Actually, the authors of the idea of ​​weapons were unknown officers of the German General Staff, who were able to competently and clearly, in modern terms, “set the task” to the designers. A well-written technical task or problem statement is a half solved problem. The task of the designer is to find the optimal solution from the huge number of technical, physical, technological and economic contradictions arising at the stage of weapon design.

Above the topic of the technical assignment of the German Armaments Directorate began work: Hugo Schmeisser with Bergman, Louis Stang in Rheinmetall, Andreas Schwarzlose and the designers of DMW (Luger). As a result, the order went to Bergman, and the MP-18 received the palm of a serial submachine gun. Although there was still an Italian Beretta M1918, and one could argue about the palm ...

The MP-18 used two patents issued in the name of Bergman: the use of a return spring as a war spring and its use as a receiver latch. Like the vast majority of engineering products, MP-18 was a compilation of parts from other designs and systems: a pistol cartridge, a wooden butt, a barrel and a magazine from Luger, the principle of automation is the return of a free shutter. Even the protective casing on the barrel was "elegantly" "interconnected" from machine guns. And that’s it! Moreover, if we talk about the “genius” of Schmeisser’s design, one cannot but mention the lack of a fuse for the shutter in the forward position. Thanks to this simplification, a shot from MP-18 could be fired by the method of Comrade Sukhov. The shutter was put on the fuse in the rear (combat) position, designed in the form of a figured cut-out in the bolt shield familiar to everyone from the prototype of a regular window latch.

And what about Stange? He did not chase the glory of the "first" and calmly brought his work to mind. As a result, its MP-19 was more functional than the MP-18: it had a fire translator, a more reliable fuse, a hinged cover of the gate box. Of course, a simpler product by Hugo Schmeisser managed to get to the trough. Still, the best 30-machine gun most analysts consider the Steyr-Solothurn S1-100, made on the basis of MP-19. This is a note for those who like to measure ratings, championships and pipisek length.

Now let's compare the Rheinmetall-Borsig MP-19:



and Bergman MP-18 (pictured MP-28):


It would be surprising to find much in common between them, if you do not know that behind the backs of Luis Stange and Hugo Schmeisser looms the shadow of Louis Schmeisser!

We completely forgot about Volmer! During the First World War, Heinrich Folmer seriously began to engage in weapons-related topics. His first military development - body armor - was introduced before the war, in 1912 year. But in 1916, he presented a draft machine-powered hand-held machine gun. This development interested the weapons commission, and Vollmer was awarded a contract to develop a similar power supply for the MG 08 and MG 08 / 15 machine guns, as well as for the MG 18 TUF heavy machine gun. In 1918, he created a rather original development - a drum powered hose reel for Schmeisser MP-18.

The problem of the “positional impasse” was brilliantly resolved by the Russian General Alexey Brusilov, and without any submachine guns. But before the respite in the Compiegne forest is announced to sum up the results of the First World War and the foundations were laid for the Second, let us state one small fact that is directly related to our topic. What did Hugo Schmeisser and Heinrich Vollmer achieve by year 1918?

By this time, both reached the age of Jesus Christ, that is, the age when the creative abilities of the individual are fully revealed. And in general, we conclude that Hugo Schmeisser’s work is not very diverse. All his designs relate to weapons, and a large number of works are based on the father’s designs. The appearance of submachine guns is a matter of time, not of scientific foresight or brilliant insight. But the work of Heinrich Volmer simply shines with diversity - here, and weapons subjects, and agriculture, and engineering. Moreover, Heinrich Vollmer created his own production and was completely independent of Theodor Bergman!

Intermission. (To be continued.)
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  1. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 20 February 2014 07: 57
    +15
    I liked the article very much.
    The material is informative and quite objective.
    I think the continuation will be just as good.
    I wish the author creative success.
    1. mejik
      mejik 20 February 2014 10: 26
      +13
      I am joining. But, one remark. The name, in my opinion, should still sound like this: Verst, Herr Hugo Schmeisser? .
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 20 February 2014 11: 55
        +11
        Quote: Author (c) Andrey Kulikov
        An amazing thing: a man became famous for his weapons, which he did not develop.

        What's so surprising? Revolver Colt invented by D. Piers. And Colt was an investor in an adventurous warehouse that did everything, including underwater mines.
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  2. yan
    yan 20 February 2014 08: 56
    +10
    Thanks to the author, Very informative material. And the language of publication is live without treasury and excessive digital
  3. 311ove
    311ove 20 February 2014 09: 14
    +5
    Thanks to the author, we look forward to continuing! hi
  4. ramsi
    ramsi 20 February 2014 09: 36
    +8
    purely ergonomic, from MP-19 it is more convenient to shoot holding onto the forearm
  5. avt
    avt 20 February 2014 10: 04
    +15
    The author is well done! good Do not stop, crush all the lovers on the grave of Kalashnikov, dance! And he competently chose the form of presentation of the material goodpopular and affordable, not abstruse. Plus.
  6. kirpich
    kirpich 20 February 2014 11: 30
    +4
    The article is wonderful. Only I had a question. Why is MR-19 better than MR-18? Is there a fire translator? The presence of a mobile pillar? In my opinion, this is a complication of the design. And if you can still agree with the fire translator, then the mobile rear sight on the submachine gun is nonsense. And I do not understand another solution. Why put it on the fuse, moving the bolt to the cocking position? In my opinion it was easier to make a safety groove so that the shutter retracted for 1/4 turns. Then the mainspring is almost not loaded and the mechanism is more closed from dirt.
    1. ramsi
      ramsi 20 February 2014 12: 34
      +1
      this position of the shutter on the fuse is completely irrational: the spring is loaded, and the shutter is ajar, and the fire cannot be opened quickly
    2. inkass_98
      inkass_98 20 February 2014 13: 48
      0
      Pararabellum (naval and artillery models) and the C-96 Mauser, as well as the much later RPM, had a mobile rear sight. Tradition, however. The concept of application has not been worked out to the end, the aiming range is overestimated. And the groove of the fuse was made in the area of ​​arming, so that you can immediately open fire by dropping the fuse. In terms of hygiene, weapons are not very useful, but the reaction rate is faster, and the manufacturability of weapons is higher, you do not need to cut an extra groove.
      1. kirpich
        kirpich 20 February 2014 14: 06
        0
        The fact of the matter is that when the MP-18,19 ... etc. are put on the fuse (turning the shutter handle into the safety groove), the shutter is not cocked to the end.
        1. anomalocaris
          anomalocaris 22 February 2014 01: 26
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          You're wrong. The shutter is not only cocked to the end, that is, it rises to the sear, but it needs to be pulled back a little more to enter into the groove.
      2. kirpich
        kirpich 20 February 2014 14: 06
        0
        The fact of the matter is that when the MP-18,19 ... etc. are put on the fuse (turning the shutter handle into the safety groove), the shutter is not cocked to the end.
  7. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake 20 February 2014 11: 40
    +2
    Strong material. good
  8. Nayhas
    Nayhas 20 February 2014 11: 44
    -3
    The author either fulfills someone’s order or has a personal dislike of H. Schmeisser's personality. Most likely the latter, for it is a reference to the confrontation between H. Schmeisser and MT Kalashnikov. I am 100% sure that if H. Schmeisser G. Volmer was in place, the author would have obstructed it, i.e. the personality is absolutely not important, the goal is to prove that the author of Sturmgever is a mediocre personality incapable of creativity. Here the author makes a major and completely illiterate mistake. Sturmgever was not created personally by H. Schmeisser, but by a team of gunsmiths under his leadership, which was subsequently exported to the USSR. What in the USSR could this collective be led by H. Schmeisser? Let's look at the archives ... stop, classified, and why? What was the deported Germans doing secretly, what is still impossible to know about this?
    The continuation of the article will be quite easy to predict, H. Schmeisser did not know how / stole / lazy / mediocrity / if
    apa, etc.
    PS: I was most amused by the following:
    An amazing thing: a man became famous for his weapons, which he did not develop. The head of the ERMA firm, Bertold Geipel, using the development of Heinrich Volmer, put the MP-40 submachine gun into production, but it was still called the Schmeisser.

    The author does not know the story, MP-38/40 was called "Schmeisser" only by the soldiers of the Red Army, and only because many of the shops had the Schmeisser mark, tk. it was the standard MP-28 magazine.
    And yet, an attempt to ridicule the gunsmiths of Zul
    Not a single Schmeisser construction was produced in quantities of more than several tens of thousands, with the exception of the stormtrooper, which reached 420000 pieces by the end of the war.

    frankly unscrupulous. In the world there are not so many arms companies ready to boast of millions of orders; for most companies, an order for 1 thousand trunks is an achievement, and 10 thousand is a definite success. Regarding the period between the First and Second World Wars, an order for ten thousand gun barrels is generally unprecedented luck.
    1. rolik2
      rolik2 20 February 2014 14: 58
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      Quote: Nayhas
      The author either fulfills someone’s order or has a personal dislike of H. Schmeisser's personality. Most likely the latter, for it is a reference to the confrontation between H. Schmeisser and MT Kalashnikov. I am 100% sure that if H. Schmeisser G. Volmer was in place, the author would have obstructed it, i.e.

      I completely agree, dances on the graves of already dead gunsmiths, with the aim of slandering, and simply facts that are pulled over the ears and intentional silence by the author of the others, transfer the author to TROLEY.
      What loud phrases "greedy" "cynical" "patent troll" initially minus
      1. bunta
        20 February 2014 16: 31
        +3
        Quote: rolik2
        What loud phrases "greedy" "cynical" "patent troll" initially minus


        These phrases are not mine, these are phrases of A. Ruchko. You still read his opus.
        Thanks for the minus. And then I already combed my shoulder blades and some kind of radiance ... repeat
    2. shelezyaka
      shelezyaka 2 July 2014 02: 47
      0
      The author of the comment. all in the radiance of "general's stars", broadcasting ... Otherwise, you can not say. However, in some ways he is right. "Sturmgever was not created personally by H. Schmeisser, but by a team of gunsmiths under his leadership ..." As well as the AK-47. And it is quite possible that with the participation of German designers, at the final stage of fine-tuning. Because AK-46, and then modified with the help of the designer of the Kovrov plant Zaitsev AK-47 was created at the KOVROV (and not Izhevsk) plant. And it was transferred to the Izhevsk plant for organizing production only in 1948. And, nevertheless, the Stg-44 is Schmeisser, and the AK-47 is NOT a Kalashnikov ... It's funny ... However, I agree with the inadmissibility of indiscriminate groaning of Hugo Schmeisser. this is a designer, a professional in his field, who has done a lot in his field and deserves the appropriate respect!
  9. bunta
    20 February 2014 11: 55
    +7
    Thanks for the feedback. The article is written in full, tomorrow continued. There will be 2 parts. Please postpone comments on the content of the article. Further it will be even more interesting and perhaps there will be answers to some questions. In the meantime, I recommend that you read the article Ruchko completely, because he suggested that I write this article.

    http://www.proza.ru/2013/07/29/573
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 20 February 2014 13: 35
      +3
      Andrey, thanks for the detailed material. And then at VO they still believe that Schmeiser took part in the development of the AK. Among the readers there are enough educated people with their own point of view, but most of them are ordinary people who are far from the material presented. It is interesting to know about the development of the notorious "Izhmash", about which many simply do not know. You are close to this, it is interesting to know your opinion as a professional close to this information.
      1. bunta
        20 February 2014 16: 24
        +2
        With Izhash I will not please anything. But on Monday I’m going with my sons to a meeting with Mikhail Evgenievich Dragunov. If you have questions, throw me in a personal. I'll ask. If possible, I will make a report on the meeting.
        1. Timeout
          Timeout 21 February 2014 10: 01
          0
          Quote: bunta
          If possible, I will make a report on the meeting.

          Will you be so kind! Are you in the Kalashnikov Museum, or just a personal meeting?
          1. bunta
            21 February 2014 11: 08
            0
            This is a common "meeting interesting people" event held at the library. Nekrasov.
            1. Alex
              Alex 4 July 2014 21: 19
              +2
              Quote: bunta
              This is a common "meeting interesting people" event held at the library. Nekrasov.

              He was envious to the point of insanity! And that it’s me all the time somewhere not there? ..
  10. intsurfer
    intsurfer 20 February 2014 11: 55
    +3
    on the similarity of AK-47 and Stg-44. Specially, to compare AK and Stg, I put a toy on the tablet in which you can make a complete disassembly of many types of weapons. There may be an external resemblance, but the Stg-44 has 2 times more parts and most of them are small. Kalashnikov has a minimum of details with a maximum result. Complete disassembly requires a minimum of time. Some pistols have more parts than AK!
    1. VKabanov
      VKabanov 20 February 2014 13: 06
      +1
      What game is this?
      1. Timeout
        Timeout 20 February 2014 13: 41
        0
        Quote: VKabanov
        What game is this?

        Gun Disassembly 2. Website: http://noble-empire.com. Models are mostly paid!
  11. Jedi
    Jedi 20 February 2014 12: 27
    +1
    Quote: Nayhas
    The author does not know the story, MP-38/40 was called "Schmeisser" only by the soldiers of the Red Army and only because

    absolutely true .. I do not consider myself a connoisseur of weapons, but I know that Mr-38-40 is a dull shit under a pistol cartridge. in my humble opinion, pps and pps are much better, not to mention the nipple ...
    1. VKabanov
      VKabanov 20 February 2014 13: 05
      +2
      Type PPSh or PPS for rifle or intermediate ...
  12. Vasia kruger
    Vasia kruger 20 February 2014 12: 51
    +1
    Thank you, I look forward to continuing)))
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  13. siberalt
    siberalt 20 February 2014 13: 28
    +3
    And further. And how can you comment on this?


    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/753/kbmt680.jpg
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 20 February 2014 13: 38
      +1
      Quote: siberalt
      And further. And how can you comment on this?

      Do not confuse a submachine gun with a machine gun (assault rifle). Fedorov really developed the first machine, which was produced in a series! Alas, many in VO simply deny it!
      1. Sour
        Sour 20 February 2014 15: 44
        0
        Yes, the Fedorov assault rifle was not produced for long, but in series. Although it is difficult to call it a full-fledged assault rifle, if only because of the absence of a bayonet. And he could not become a mass weapon due to low technology. Fedorov, rather, designed weapons for elite units, and not for the entire infantry. But that's not the point. The design of this machine was a dead end, it was not developed. Automation with a moving barrel was unsuitable for weapons such as assault rifles.
  14. kirpich
    kirpich 20 February 2014 13: 37
    0
    Fedorov V.G. invented the machine gun), and an article about submachine guns.
  15. mr.vorodis
    mr.vorodis 20 February 2014 15: 28
    +1
    Great stuff!
    I look forward to continuing!
  16. Nayhas
    Nayhas 20 February 2014 16: 18
    +2
    The issue in the confrontation between Kalashnikov-Schmeisser is solved simply. Materials are published on the topic of AK, drawings signed by the author, calculations, official correspondence, etc. Everything, all questions will automatically be removed. And it will not be necessary to sprinkle libel on anyone ...
    1. postman
      postman 21 February 2014 10: 39
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      Quote: Nayhas
      The issue in the confrontation between Kalashnikov-Schmeisser is solved simply. Materials are published on the topic of AK, drawings signed by the author, calculations, official correspondence, etc.


      EXCELLENT
  17. Sonyman
    Sonyman 20 February 2014 16: 18
    0
    I will support an interesting article !!!
  18. Kir
    Kir 20 February 2014 18: 01
    +2
    The article was very pleased, I dare to hope for a continuation and not only on this topic, but recently many have been "confusing" the offices-owners of offices with the authors of inventions, as they say money, money, But without Engineers, this is either dead "gold" or pieces of paper with numbers ...
  19. Free Cossack
    Free Cossack 20 February 2014 20: 51
    +2
    Very interesting article. I look forward to continuing.
  20. xomaNN
    xomaNN 20 February 2014 23: 38
    +1
    I respect this reasoned material of the author. I look forward to continuing with interest.
  21. RoTTor
    RoTTor 21 February 2014 03: 04
    +1
    Wonderful article - interesting + professional.
    Alas, the usual practice.
    Both here and around the world, Taubin, the brilliant designer of aviation weapons, was arrested and shot by a denunciation of less talented but ideologically correct competitors.

    The plane = record holder (RD- "Range Record) ANT-25 (Andrey Nikolaevich Tupolev) was designed by Pavel Sukhoi, because Tupolev was - in that structure like a" godfather "over all the design teams. The same Tupolev butted the project of the Ilyushin attack aircraft and wrote denunciations on Ilyushin, but he was not imprisoned only because Tupolev himself was imprisoned (more precisely, the mobility was limited by the building of the design bureau) .For the fact that he rejected a fighter plane (he himself NEVER designed such machines, specialized in heavy machines), surpassing Me -109, and the team of designers was sent to the camps on his denunciation. ”Already with the maize operator, he, through intrigues, managed to disperse the Myasishchev design bureau, which made the bombers much better.

    Could go on. Alas, there are plenty of such examples in any field.
    1. Kir
      Kir 21 February 2014 03: 20
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      But for all his "good character" On-ANT and did a lot for the benefit of aviation, by the way, the attack aircraft from Sukhoi surpassed the legendary fortress from Ilyushin, this is just for information.
  22. Urri
    Urri 21 February 2014 13: 15
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    Quote: intsurfer
    There may be an external resemblance, but the Stg-44 has 2 times more details


    The war in Syria has already proved everything to everyone. The Opps had a huge number of weapons - they abandoned everything, the surviving fighters from both sides of the front with AK-47 and its modifications flee. The rest of the junk in my hands every day less and less. Fans of beautiful automata too quickly ended (in the truest sense of the word).
  23. shelezyaka
    shelezyaka 2 July 2014 02: 10
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    Quote: Vadivak
    Quote: Author (c) Andrey Kulikov
    An amazing thing: a man became famous for his weapons, which he did not develop.

    What's so surprising? Revolver Colt invented by D. Piers. And Colt was an investor in an adventurous warehouse that did everything, including underwater mines.

    And M1911, in common parlance "Colt 1911", do not forget ...
  24. Alex
    Alex 4 July 2014 21: 24
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    Great article, with good factual material and a fair dose of humor.