"German politics for Ukraine"

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"German politics for Ukraine"Concentration on the economic and intellectual spheres allows the Germans to consolidate in Ukraine, avoiding confrontation with Moscow

“Mutual understanding on the Ukrainian issue can be an essential prerequisite for the German-Polish partnership in Europe” and serve “closer rapprochement between Berlin and Warsaw,” reads the document “Über Vilnius hinaus denken published on the eve of the emergence of Euromaidan in Kiev: Polen und Deutschland müssen die EU “Ostpolitik vorantreiben”, prepared on the initiative of the German side by Polish and German diplomats and politicians, including deputies of the Bundestag, ministers, including former foreign ministers of Poland Andrzej Olechowski and Adam Rotfeld.

Recently, behind the feverish activity on the Ukrainian direction of the representatives of Washington, the attempts of the Europeans to achieve greater mutual understanding within the EU at the expense of Ukraine were not so noticeable. Meanwhile, the Germans and Poles continue to work actively with Ukraine, using the tactics of carrots and sticks against official Kiev to create an atmosphere of permanent conflict in this country.

“The European Union is still ready to sign an agreement with Ukraine,” said President of the European Union Herman Van Rompuy after meeting with Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk in Warsaw. “The EU plays on the side of the opposition and makes Yanukovych illegal, although it has not violated any laws,” says German expert, scientific director of the German-Russian Forum, Alexander Rahr. Interestingly, all the dirty work of seduction and blackmail of Ukrainian politicians, the German side manages to shift to the Poles, and they try their best.

In the form of carrot Poland, through the mouth of President B. Komorowski, it proposes to support “strengthening Ukrainian pro-European aspirations” with EU money from the budget of the Eastern Partnership. The EU, represented by the head of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the European Parliament, Elmar Brock, offers “maydanschikam” “economic assistance and support in carrying out reforms”, without taking any specific obligations, and at the same time calls on citizens of Ukraine through Deutsche Welle to complain to the European Parliament on the “policy of Moscow”, consisting precisely in the provision of specific economic assistance.

In the form of a whip, Vice President of the European Parliament, Jacek Protasiewicz, threatens to end the official relations of the European Union with Ukraine. American Poles like Zbigniew Brzezinski openly threaten Russia with a catastrophe if they support Ukraine. Polish politicians and public figures threaten Ukraine with a civil war (statement by A.Smolyar - leader of the oldest Polish NGO, the Stefan Batory Foundation), provocatively express "fears of the division of Ukraine" (statement by Prime Minister D.Tusk) and assure through "Polish Radio" that "Poland will further guarantee Ukraine the support of the right choice."

Unlike the Poles and Americans, operating through structures such as the Polish-American-Ukrainian Cooperation Foundation (PAUCI) or the Center for Free Elections and Democracy, the Germans in their work with Ukraine focus on economic and humanitarian aspects, as well as on working with political elite and intellectuals (the key goal is not so much to draw Ukraine into Euro-Atlantic structures as to provide for brain drain and prospective personnel to Germany).

In this vein, the funds of K. Adenauer, F. Nawman, G. Seidel, F. Ebert, R. Bosch, the Society named after Fraunhofer (FhG), German Academic Exchange Service (DAAD), German Research Community (DFG), Helmholtz Society, Dortmund International Education Center (IBB), etc. The financial capabilities of these structures are impressive. For example, not the most famous of them. Fraunhofer has a budget of 1,4 billion euros, DAAD - more than 250 million euros per year and so on.

What to say about the famous Konrad Adenauer Foundation, which implements hundreds of “humanitarian projects” in more than 120 countries!

Representatives of these structures, which operated in parallel with the American specialists in the coup d'états of the German coordinator Maidan Andreas Umland, declared persona non grata in Ukraine, believe that Ukraine "needs a change of political generation." Therefore, says the assistant in Central and Eastern Europe Norbert Beckman-Dirkes, “we work with young people in priority. After all, it is for them to determine the future of their country. ” “We do not want to support fragmentation of political parties. Our goal is to create a broad platform for finding common positions, ”says the head of the Ukrainian branch of the Foundation. K.Adenauer German citizen Niko Lange.

German non-profit organizations formed a large network of allies in Ukraine itself, including structures such as the Institute of Political Education, the Institute of Euro-Atlantic Cooperation, the Academy of Ukrainian Press, the V. Pinchuk Foundation, the Ukrainian Center for Economic and Political Research. Razumkov and so on.

In addition to the scientific elite, political parties and public structures, the networks of German NGOs do not overlook the Ukrainian media, partnership projects with the Ukrainian authorities, seminars with the participation of high-ranking representatives of law enforcement agencies of Ukraine and middle-level officers, as well as electoral processes. The activity of these networks is not limited to the territory of Ukraine alone, but also extends to Belarus and Russia.

Concentration mainly in the economic and intellectual spheres allows the Germans to consolidate in Ukraine, avoiding confrontation with Moscow and any obligations to the Ukrainians (the Germans successfully shift the role to the Poles). Germany remains the second after Russia trading partner of Ukraine, gradually gaining more and more weight not only in Europe, but also in the post-Soviet space.

The overseas strategists from the US State Department do not like this so much that Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland and US Ambassador in Kiev Jeffrey Payette assess the role of the European Union in the Ukrainian crisis, resorting to foul language. In Washington, they want the Germans to drag chestnuts out of the fire of the Maidan pogrom, proceeding from the interests not of Germany, but of the “world community” with which American politicians identify the United States.

Therefore, while in Brussels they think that Nuland’s curses “reflect the general mood among Americans tired of EU diplomacy,” the editorials of the German press eloquently show how much American ambitions coincide with German ones: “Fuck the EU” for Angela Merkel is “absolutely unacceptable” ( Die Welt); “Merkel is upset by insulting Fuck the EU” (Frankfurter Rundschau); “Saying“ Fuck the EU ”. Merkel: “Absolutely Unacceptable” (Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung).
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  1. +15
    20 February 2014 13: 13
    even it seems to me, Yanukovych with such calls for negotiations will not last until the end of the week .....
    1. jjj
      +20
      20 February 2014 13: 17
      I understand more and more our fellow citizens who demanded the highest measure for the enemies of the people.
      And Ukraine is already surrendered
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        1. +11
          20 February 2014 13: 31
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I remember such. How you screamed in all your throat about the surrender of Syria.

          Yanukovych Asad is not suitable for soles.
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            1. +10
              20 February 2014 13: 48
              there are two opinions, on the one hand, we surrendered Ukraine as a country to the West, the other opinion that we surrender only Western Ukraine, and there will be a hard exchange with the West. In the second opinion, Ukraine as a state of Russia does not, in principle, need Russia, reunification. Therefore, the end of Ukraine as a state can only be welcomed. Well, protecting Yanukovych, we will only harm the reunification of pro-Russian regions.
              1. +5
                20 February 2014 14: 05
                Sadly, the division of Ukraine is ripe, the political vacuum in Kiev reminds me, a historian by education, of the Rzeczpospolita of the time of Bohdan Khmelnytsky. "Don't let me!" is constantly present in the Rada, when they block the rostrum, the presidium, we have this mess behind us for a long time, we paid for it with two Chechen wars. Ukrainians, I'm afraid, will also have to go through something similar, without "blood vaccination" they do not understand that it is not acceptable for them to live like this, what is most important, nor for their neighbors (the exception is Poland, but there are a lot of "psheks" without me will write).
                1. 0
                  20 February 2014 16: 17
                  Oh colleague, welcome. Yesterday I also wrote that Ukraine is following the partition path after Poland.
                  1. 0
                    20 February 2014 21: 54
                    Poles are genetically flawed! Being a roadside of politics all their lives, they are looking for enemies, making f * ck adventures, and then heroically fighting for freedom!
                    And so throughout history.
                    Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia .. Russia somehow doesn’t bother anyone! Only the Baltic states and the Poles!
                    Soon Freud died! Apparently dad raped Poland as a child ...
                    1. +1
                      20 February 2014 23: 36
                      Apparently dad raped Poland as a child ...

                      Yeah, the pope.
              2. 0
                20 February 2014 21: 45
                It's funny Today, all discussions regarding Ukraine come down to the struggle, to one degree or another, of the USA, EU, and Russia.
                About the interests of Ukraine, even indirectly, it is not spoken anywhere! And Ukrainian blood is pouring!
                It has never occurred to anyone to go out to the Maidan with the most correct poster "DIBILY! STOP! WHAT DO YOU WANT TO YOURSELF?"

                Is it not humiliating to be a puppet of amers who need chaos for the sake of chaos?
                Is it not shameful for the sake of these ghouls to destroy their country?
                Once Yushchenko was chosen! There was already amer rule! Not enough? Think something will change?
                And the most important question: "What did Russia do wrong to you?"
            2. jjj
              +19
              20 February 2014 13: 49
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              man says that Russia surrendered Ukraine.

              Not Russia surrendered, but the Ukrainians surrendered Ukraine. They announced an anti-terrorist operation and ... closed the kindergartens, evacuate the Rada, take people out. And the Bandera terrorists seize new buildings, conduct sniper fire, and take the Berkut prisoner in groups. Not only is the top rotten, but also the middle level. They didn't have Chechnya. They did not lose their comrades in arms every day and they were not substituted by their commanders who kept their nose to the wind. All of this they just started to pass. And, apparently, they are waiting for Putin to recommend "soaking in toilets."
              And yet, I'm pounding from everything that happens. In the heat of the moment I can express myself roughly. Therefore, I apologize in advance to all. Not for malice
              1. +4
                20 February 2014 13: 54
                Quote: jjj

                Not Russia surrendered, but Ukrainians surrendered Ukraine.

                I'm sorry, I misunderstood you requestI will delete my koment
              2. +3
                20 February 2014 15: 24
                Quote: jjj
                They didn't have Chechnya. They did not lose their comrades in arms every day and they were not substituted by their chiefs who kept their nose to the wind. All of this they just started to pass. And, apparently, they are waiting for Putin to recommend "soaking in toilets."

                In my opinion now no matter how when our advisers are needed there. As far as I remember in 1999 they were in Yugoslavia and therefore the Serbs quickly and with little blood in Kosovo and Metohija dealt with the militants. True, this led to NATO aggression. sad
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      2. +3
        20 February 2014 14: 17
        Quote: jjj
        And Ukraine is already surrendered

        It’s not sad to admit it, but it seems like it is! Only she was surrendered by her own president! The Ukrainian authorities have no will to make decisions, and this led to disaster!
      3. Alex_Popovson
        +2
        20 February 2014 14: 26
        And Ukraine is already surrendered

        Maybe handed over. However, even if under the article for mercenary risking going, who volunteers to go riot to strangle and force to leave?
        Are there many words, but is there enough business?
      4. +5
        20 February 2014 15: 13
        Quote: jjj
        And Ukraine is already surrendered

        Ukraine was surrendered 22 years ago, as Russia and the other republics of the USSR. The company gathered in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, realized for three, and in spite of the water, the people who spoke at the referendum divided the country. Nobody thought about what would happen to artificial states such as Ukraine — the goals were different. But over the years, to prove to the citizens of Ukraine that they were not a single people of power. Now they’re dissolving.
        Ukraine is a state without roots, and not only trees cannot exist without roots.
        Sorry if I offended anyone.
      5. 0
        20 February 2014 15: 44
        Quote: jjj
        And Ukraine is already surrendered


        Vitek sinter (C)
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    2. +31
      20 February 2014 13: 17
      Quote: tomket
      , Yanukovych with such calls for negotiations, until the end of the week will not last .....

      Yanukovych is a finished pig, Golden eagle without arms to be put under armed thugs is the limit of swine. How many of them have been taken prisoner there now, and Yanukovych is sitting now, where he is alive, thanks to these peasants. I look at his actions and evil is not enough.
      1. jjj
        +11
        20 February 2014 13: 19
        The command of the "Berkut" is obliged to arm the soldiers and order them to fire. According to the law on the police. Psat or bought
        1. +4
          20 February 2014 13: 27
          Quote: jjj
          The command of the "Berkut" is obliged to arm the soldiers and order them to fire

          Yanukovych write this.
          1. jjj
            +9
            20 February 2014 13: 58
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yanukovych write this.

            A parallel suggests itself. 1941 year. Pavlov and Kuznetsov. One was waiting for instructions from Stalin. Another brought the fleet on alert and immediately began to shoot down German aircraft.
            The law on the police states that in the event of an attack on the life of a police officer or other citizens, weapons must be used. And if the command of the "Berkut" does not allow the use of weapons, then they not only break the law, they become traitors and accomplices in the crime. In this case, the fighters have the right not to carry out an illegal order and use weapons on their own.
            1. dmitry_den
              +5
              20 February 2014 14: 17
              That's right. The bandit will be stopped only by adequate force. But Yanukovych is by all means following the bandits. The conclusion suggests itself: since he is not interested in crushing the rebellion by legal methods, all his actions are tobish of the guarantor. Rights and safety are regulated by puppeteers. I admit the idea that Yanukovych is looking for a way to escape, as was the case with the fugitive Bakiyev family.
              1. +7
                20 February 2014 15: 46
                Quote: dmitry_den
                The bandit will be stopped only by adequate force.



                So what? laughing
                1. dmitry_den
                  +2
                  20 February 2014 15: 56
                  Tse ne force. Tse dog guide from the top management of Gazprom.
                2. +1
                  20 February 2014 20: 47
                  "As you know, Vladimir Petrovich (Lukin) has a wealth of experience in the diplomatic service, significant authority among human rights defenders, he headed a large opposition party" request


                  Kind Vladimir Vladimirovich after all, but he could have sent this "negotiator":
                  1. +2
                    21 February 2014 00: 33
                    No, she wouldn’t have dawdled up to Khreshchatyk. Knit socks, madam. Your credo is ALWAYS. good
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            2. +1
              20 February 2014 14: 24
              Quote: jjj
              . Another brought the fleet on alert and immediately began to shoot down German aircraft.

              Is there such a thing in Ukraine now? if there is, then only from the side of the Neimaidan, who are now killing the Golden Eagles.
            3. +1
              20 February 2014 14: 34
              Interesting! Who in (in) Ukraine Kuznetsov?
              1. dmitry_den
                0
                20 February 2014 14: 39
                Quote: muhomor
                Interesting! Who in (in) Ukraine Kuznetsov?


                Leader of the Night Wolves biker club
        2. +9
          20 February 2014 13: 40
          If this "booze" had spun in the USA, it would have been "reassured" in a few hours, there would have been killed, and wounded, and arrested, and they would have CHIKHALI for "criticism" if someone dared.
          All countries that defend the opposition do not call for early elections, because they know that fascist groups cannot legally take power. In a number of countries from gayrope and the USA, watching what is happening, how the bulldogs are "drooling" - to swallow any piece of Ukraine or in whole, but at the same time, "warming up" the situation, and by threats against the LAW ENFORCEMENT, they probably still enjoy the death of people ...
          I wish all countries that are hypocritical, lie and defend atrocious fascist oppositionists, experience on OWN SKIN, such "peaceful protests"!
          1. +3
            20 February 2014 16: 26
            France survived the riots of its black-and-yellow "citizens", but this leadership did not teach anything - yesterday, amicably Hollande and Merkel blew in the same tune: peaceful demonstrators against the evil "Berkut".
        3. +5
          20 February 2014 14: 32
          The soldiers see that the commander-in-chief is pissing. Therefore, when they give the order to shoot, they will not shoot at their "people"
      2. +16
        20 February 2014 13: 21
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        and Yanukovych is sitting now, somewhere healthy and alive, thanks to these peasants

        The golden eagle is not infinite, it can be trite to beat out, which is what they actually do, and the golden eagle is Yanukovych’s last support, there will be no Golden Eagle, Yanukovych is pulled up behind Yaytsenyuk (such a figure of speech). It is a pity the Golden Eagle, they die for nothing ....
        1. +6
          20 February 2014 13: 30
          Quote: tomket
          that actually do

          Here I am about that.
          Quote: tomket
          It is a pity the Golden Eagle, they die for nothing ....

          They remind me of ours now in Grozny 95, when soldiers were betrayed by their own generals, and officials.
          Quote: jjj
          jjj

          For you, Official Russia has begun to make declarations, in short, the Ukrainian Government is obliged to protect its employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and citizens. We will not surrender Ukraine, the rate is too high.
          1. 0
            20 February 2014 15: 18
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            For you, Official Russia has begun to make declarations, in short, the Ukrainian Government is obliged to protect its employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and citizens. We will not surrender Ukraine, the rate is too high.

            Beginnings. How do you like the headline: "Medvedev urged Yanukovych not to be a rag"?
      3. +8
        20 February 2014 13: 22
        Already the troops are moving to the side of the Maidan, while he twists opoy
        A hundred soldiers of the internal troops surrendered to the "Maidanists". There are no officers among them
        Of course not. The officers have the honor. Hello Alexander hi
        1. +3
          20 February 2014 13: 31
          Quote: bomg.77
          Of course not. Officers have the honor.

          They say there are soldiers of the Golden Eagle. Hello Lech.
          1. +7
            20 February 2014 13: 44
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            They say there are soldiers of the Golden Eagle. Hello Lech.
            Conscripts say on the news. Our Prime Minister is already pushing Yanukovych to decisive action
            Prime Minister Medvedev: Authorities in Ukraine must protect people so that they don’t wipe their feet like a rag
            Yanuk is waiting for something, I do not believe that you can be so indecisive.
            1. +8
              20 February 2014 14: 11
              Quote: bomg.77
              According to the news say conscripts

              According to the news they say golden eagle.
              Quote: bomg.77
              Yanuk is waiting for something

              Yanukovych takes guests ...
              14:08 (Moscow time) | RIA News
              Foreign Ministers of Germany, France and Poland hold a meeting with Yanukovych
              Currently, three foreign ministers are meeting with President Yanukovych, according to the German Foreign Ministry.
              http://news.mail.ru/politics/17047883/
              Teas, rolls, cake. Here and all Yanukovych request
              1. +4
                20 February 2014 14: 53
                Alexander Romanov ... Foreign Ministers of Germany, France and Poland meet with Yanukovych

                I won’t be surprised if he renounces power or agrees to early elections in exchange for his safety. They came for this.
                1. +5
                  20 February 2014 15: 07
                  Quote: askort154
                  I won’t be surprised if he renounces power or agrees to early elections in exchange for his safety

                  Ha, remember Milosevic, he also promised a lot. I think Yanukovych also remembers this.
                  1. 0
                    20 February 2014 17: 34
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Ha, remember Milosevic, he also promised a lot. I think Yanukovych also remembers this.

                    He doesn’t remember, the stolen grandmas cover their eyes and entangle the brain. One thought how to save and ... increase.
              2. +2
                20 February 2014 16: 29
                It is necessary to bring guests to admire the peaceful protests. It is only necessary that they stomp with their legs along the line dividing the two sides, and pass without identification marks. I would immediately understand on which side the gingerbread cookies are being returned.
                1. batia72
                  0
                  20 February 2014 17: 19
                  why without identities? Yes, even they can’t get through with the flags of their countries, the Maydans are natural terrorists who do not care who passes there!
      4. +10
        20 February 2014 14: 03
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I look at his actions and evil is not enough.

        Sasha, look at how Janek had to act in due time:Cossacks met Pussy Riot in Sochi with whips So well com Yanukovych to the Caucasus, to continuing education courses.
        1. Alex 241
          +33
          20 February 2014 14: 08
          Hello, here is the full version!
          1. +17
            20 February 2014 14: 22
            yes it was not enough for them for the prayer campaign it was all not to calm down not like. the second time there will be no amnesty.
          2. +15
            20 February 2014 14: 48
            The peasants did the right thing, they regretted it in vain. It was necessary to flog publicly, so that they would sleep for a week standing. Such studies only through the back gate understand.
          3. +16
            20 February 2014 14: 48
            Let these puska knock down in geyRopu, where they were treated kindly, accepted at the highest level ... They are ready to oSSS anything ... in their own (or?) Same country. Well this is how it is necessary to "love" her, this Motherland, what would be so shit ???
            It was necessary to pour green stuff from head to toe - "treat", so that they would not stick out of the house for several days.
            1. Alex 241
              +8
              20 February 2014 15: 08
              The Pussy Riot tour of America has begun. They went on the same stage with Madonna. Nadezhda Tolokonnikova and Maria Alyokhina made a small speech in defense of human rights as part of the Amnesty International campaign. Madonna herself introduced the members of Pussy Riot, whom she calls "freedom fighters."
              Loot must be practiced, albeit with a red train ... sing!
              1. +1
                20 February 2014 20: 58
                B ** di found each other ...
          4. +12
            20 February 2014 14: 59
            Quote: Alex 241
            here is the full version!

            Hello Sasha! Amused to the uttermost ... such wretched people often need to be met like this, not only in the Caucasus but throughout Russia.
            1. Alex 241
              +5
              20 February 2014 15: 02
              Vit yesterday one of our members of the forum laid out. This is something!
          5. +1
            20 February 2014 15: 29
            We got it from the people of which we supposedly "we will protect"
          6. +6
            20 February 2014 15: 44
            Well done Cossacks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior it was necessary to do the same! (I ask for petitions for the temple) drinks
            1. 0
              20 February 2014 22: 31
              First withdraw from there, and then do it. The temple is already desecrated by their behavior. Sheep, damn it. Find out who their shepherd is.

              PS If a person has reason, will and faith - he is his own shepherd. But this does not apply to the "rebellious dogs".
          7. dmitry_den
            +2
            20 February 2014 15: 52
            Oh, there was such a chance! It would be necessary for the Cossacks to tie this herd together with their support group to put on a long boat and put on a long voyage to the coast of Turkey :)
            1. +3
              20 February 2014 16: 17
              [/ Center]
              Quote: dmitry_den
              put on the longboat and ...

              [center] "We will put you in a bucket, we will put you in the sea and-hell. You can manage with a bucket, do not give you a boat.
              lol L. Filatov
          8. jjj
            +5
            20 February 2014 16: 09
            Against the backdrop of all recent events, this video with Cossacks raising pussy is a balm for the soul
          9. +2
            20 February 2014 16: 17
            It’s impressive, too good people for this rot.

            I have a question where the police — why didn’t they bind the PUSSI WRIGHT participants — there is an unauthorized gathering — there is every reason to detain them.
          10. +1
            20 February 2014 20: 57
            Normal body response to infection. Turn alien bodies into pus and rinse with bleach.
            With the guns it turned out the other way around. They washed off in the trash, not turning into an abomination.

            Although they taught me a reverent attitude towards women ...
            I try to follow this.
            But, deliberately, defiantly sat down in the middle of the street to relieve her natural needs, usually hidden from others, not a woman ...
            Here it is ... It is desirable several times ...
            1. +1
              20 February 2014 23: 43
              Quote: Ptah
              Here it is ... It is desirable several times ...

              Something like that in a fatherly way. You have to beat with a sock!
              1. 0
                21 February 2014 00: 35
                Quote: Ustian
                Something like that in a fatherly way. You have to beat with a sock!

                Precisely that "paternally !!!!!" I taught my daughter etiquette - otherwise she won't understand ...
                And "off toe" yes to n *** e .... It really hurts. And what if it is still useful for carrying a thread of a Russian ...

                It was a movie trailer. Here is the full version, with a foreword -

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evw3gJTxBZc
                1. 0
                  21 February 2014 11: 04
                  Quote: Ptah
                  And suddenly it’s still useful for carrying a thread of a Russian ...


                  I hope no bearing is not boot. Hare morons produce!
                  1. 0
                    21 February 2014 12: 33
                    Quote: Ustian
                    Hare morons to produce!

                    Nowadays it is not accepted to say that. They say "the electorate". And here it is necessary both for the economy and for filling the space.
          11. 0
            20 February 2014 23: 27
            They poured good, but it will not be enough!
        2. +7
          20 February 2014 14: 25
          Quote: Tersky
          : Cossacks met Pussy Riot in Sochi with whips

          Twist, they didn’t give much, it was necessary to break the guitar on a dumb head.
          1. +5
            20 February 2014 14: 49
            So they have a head and so a weak spot.
            1. +3
              20 February 2014 15: 09
              Quote: novobranets
              So they have a head and so a weak spot.

              Their weak spot is elsewhere.
          2. +4
            20 February 2014 15: 39
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            gave little, it was still necessary to break the guitar on a dumb head.

            ... I'm sorry for the guitar. laughing
            1. 0
              20 February 2014 16: 21
              Do not regret, as far as I have noticed, the guitar matches the "pussy".
              1. +1
                20 February 2014 22: 34
                The guitar is a musical instrument. If you want, it is more powerful to eat ferrum products. (Fe)
      5. +7
        20 February 2014 14: 30
        Will Yanukovych not understand three things:
        1 The rebels are not going to make any concessions
        2 Banderlogs are confident in their impunity.
        3Time missed, weapons are already in the hands of militants.
        Considering the moral fatigue of "Berkut", Yanukovych will be a transder in the coming week. If some miracle doesn't happen.
        1. 0
          20 February 2014 23: 30
          Quote: muhomor
          Given the moral fatigue of the "Berkut"

          Fatigue will be removed at hand when the real deal for them will be, with weapons in their hands! And so only the boys lose, but there is nothing to answer ...
      6. +2
        20 February 2014 15: 38
        Strange thing, Alexander Romanov. Maidan workers against YaN. and I am against YaN. although we look at the matter from opposite positions
        That's for sure - "he is sitting somewhere, and he is alive and well," and the Maidan people have already climbed onto the roofs and attics - from under the tishka, thieves in the unarmed from the vintar

        What kind of "guarantor" is he?
        Krylovsky Vaska also put horseradish on exhortations

        Power must be used, but others think and do for it, like P. Lebedev with a landing
        1. batia72
          +1
          20 February 2014 17: 24
          it is necessary to plant snipers on the roofs of a golden eagle, and when they see someone with arms in their arms or legs and no one would want to take everyone after that!
          1. 0
            20 February 2014 23: 33
            Quote: batia72
            hand or foot

            Surely a pumpkin !!!
    3. +8
      20 February 2014 13: 27
      Quote: tomket
      even it seems to me ...

      This seems to be a new version of the OST plan, though softer. And the Poles, as always, are the evil mongrels of Europe.
    4. +7
      20 February 2014 13: 31
      elementary and obvious has not been done — even the anti-crisis headquarters under the President has not been formed ..
  2. +6
    20 February 2014 13: 15
    Russia can only believe the army and navy, and since Ukraine is NOT SEPARABLE from Russia, then she too.
    1. +9
      20 February 2014 14: 11
      It seems they gave the golden eagle a weapon
      1. Alex 241
        +7
        20 February 2014 14: 25
        Hi Lesh. Military soldiers of internal troops in Kiev are given live ammunition to disperse a protest in the center of the capital.

        This was stated by People’s Deputy Vladimir Yavorivsky.

        "Information from a reliable source: the military began to issue cartridges and weapons. In the event of a further assault on Hrushevskaya street, bloodshed is possible," the deputy wrote.
        1. +7
          20 February 2014 14: 36
          Quote: Alex 241
          Hi Lesh.
          Hi Sash! It’s high time that the snipers are working there and the head of the Crimean parliament said that there are 5 thousand foreign army in Kiev
          1. Alex 241
            +4
            20 February 2014 14: 42
            Lesh, if severely "crushed", and a curfew. There are no options. The most terrible thing that can start is everything against everyone!
            1. VAF
              VAF
              +6
              20 February 2014 14: 49
              Quote: Alex 241
              Lesh, if severely "crushed", and a curfew. There are no options. The most terrible thing that can start is everything against everyone!


              Sasha, it's late .. the "locomotive" has already left. at the expense of crushing .. listened yesterday to Kulikov (the same at one time Grachev-one PDP in 2 hours formidable .. "took").
              Ukrainian internal troops ... excuse me. But this is a flock of frightened 18 year old boys who are afraid to take a step and, under the "blows" of 2-3 Natsiks, run like ... a cipher. soldier
              According to the news 24 these frames are twisted ..... a shame, but a shame not to them. and a shame on Yanukovych .. a spineless mom !!!
              And the worst thing further is Crimea, then Kazan comes up. then .. "national mentality", and then ..... recourse scary to think soldier
              1. +5
                20 February 2014 14: 58
                Quote: vaf

                Sasha, it's late .. the "locomotive" has already left.

                Hi Serega, of course it's too late. If there is such an order, then Yanukovych will be declared a tyrant to the west. If there is no order, then he will be torn as a tyrant by those who are now fighting with a golden eagle.
                Yanukovych has no more moves, or spits to the west and crushes the entire opposition, or to him and Ukraine too.
                1. VAF
                  VAF
                  +7
                  20 February 2014 15: 03
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Hi Serge, of course it's late


                  Sanya. I’m generally in shock .. TV is constantly on the news, plus all sorts of Nsy and Faki .. we throw out the text, but we only watch the shots ... what the authorities are doing to the Berkuts .. freaking.
                  And the military where .. long ago, they themselves would have removed Yanuk and entered an emergency ... and all at once it ended
                  two Betera with KPVT and all .. there is no Maidan.
                  what the hell are EU sanctions .. oil. gas is ours. our products. work with us please ... plus Belarusians and the whole vehicle.
                  You might think that Ukraine has a lot of exports.
                  And so ... they completely emptied the country ... there will be no war anymore .. it is already going on!
                  1. +3
                    20 February 2014 15: 36
                    Quote: vaf
                    ... what the authorities do with the Golden Eagles ... freaking.

                    And what they can do, follow the order and stand to the end. Yanukovych sleeps sweetly and eats, to the deaths of those who guard him deep in parallel. The only thing that bothers him is his own skin, but it is not clear what he counts on in negotiations with Europe. Gaddafi was already negotiating.
                    Quote: vaf
                    The war will no longer be ... it is already coming!

                    And drag us there request
                  2. 0
                    20 February 2014 17: 49
                    Quote: vaf
                    And the military where .. long ago, they themselves would have removed Yanuk and introduced an emergency

                    Read the book "The Last Empire" by Evgeny Sartinov. The impression that our forum user wrote. Have fun, read at times.
              2. Alex 241
                +7
                20 February 2014 14: 59
                Quote: vaf
                Yanukovych .. spineless mom !!!

                Su ........... ki corrupt, again again the boys covered their ass!
            2. +1
              20 February 2014 14: 59
              Quote: Alex 241
              .The worst thing that can begin is everything against everyone!
              Yes, there they lead to this and to Libya and Iraq, it is necessary to destroy the active wing, otherwise the situation will get out of control, the situation is dangerous, on the verge. The transfer of the security forces may become massive, then there will be a corpse, the western and eastern will clash.
              Quote: Alex 241
              Lesh, if they are hard pressed, and a curfew.
              Why are they crushing so belligerent just because Berkut has no weapons. Western regions, this may be a problem, there is support from the population. It may turn out to be a hotbed of tension and instability.
            3. +2
              20 February 2014 15: 00
              Quote: Alex 241
              The worst thing that can begin is everything against everyone!

              By and large, it has already begun, Everyone divided FOR and AGAINST Rogozin sent to Ukraine, but what it will give now is not clear.
          2. 0
            20 February 2014 16: 29
            It seems that now all evil spirits will fall to Ukraine. Mercenaries of all stripes.
        2. +1
          20 February 2014 16: 24
          Quote: Alex 241
          Hi Lesh. Military soldiers of internal troops in Kiev are given live ammunition to disperse a protest in the center of the capital.




          It's time, all the toys are over
          1. MAG
            0
            20 February 2014 17: 07
            The video shows that their own rebels are shot in the back (revolutions need victims and heroes). At 19 seconds, a shot at a tree from the back, then shots at the legs when people are behind a large parapet. I read Dragunov and in the course he is right about the division of Ukraine.
            1. 0
              20 February 2014 17: 14
              a bullet pierces through a tree trunk, but we don’t see where it is shooting from, and the wounded wallow back, not forward
        3. +1
          20 February 2014 16: 56
          Such cadres appeared, some siloviki do not understand which unit they belong to, they shoot from military weapons.
          1. 0
            20 February 2014 17: 16
            Clashes in Kiev Special forces respond with fire
            1. 0
              20 February 2014 17: 19
              The real civil war
              1. 0
                20 February 2014 17: 25
                Here's another video that clarifies something
                1. 0
                  20 February 2014 18: 31
                  .....................................
            2. smersh70
              -3
              20 February 2014 17: 34
              Quote: sds555
              Special forces respond with fire

              it doesn’t answer with fire. They shoot citizens of their republic and run away, or maybe they leave. At the other end, Maidanshiki stand and hide behind shields. there are no automatic machines. At least in the video. By the way, there are still no videos of the Maydanshik with Kalashnikov. And here is a complete shooting, and there is no Presidential decree on the imposition of a state of emergency. In general tomorrow, if anything, the Golden Eagle will become a scapegoat. They did not give orders, but they shot.
              1. +1
                20 February 2014 18: 18
                Quote: smersh70
                smersh70
                1. smersh70
                  0
                  20 February 2014 18: 27
                  Quote: sds555
                  Quote: smersh70
                  smersh70

                  Dear, I asked for a photo with a Kalashnikov assault rifle, or with any other assault rifle. It's a shotgun, you know how much it shoots, given the neutral between the sides ...
                  1. +2
                    20 February 2014 18: 41
                    Dear, what's the difference ?! They have a shot! Or do you think the police should be armed with shotguns and hunting rifles so that they are on equal footing? If you use a firearm on both sides, then there’s no point in knightly fights. Yes, the policeman doesn’t care what he was killed from a shotgun or from Kalash, death is death, it is not a matter of distance
                    1. smersh70
                      -3
                      20 February 2014 22: 20
                      Quote: sds555
                      Dear, what's the difference ?! They have a fire
                      huge! again, RTR with 1 channel talk about automatic machines, about their huge number, Kiselev and Ernst drive Tuff again. Do they really think that only grandmothers and suckers are sitting in front of the TVs? Ukrainians also watch this and they have automatic anger at a journalist, then to the channel, and then to the country where the channel is broadcasting from. It’s so simple. And then say that Ukraine is leaving. The propaganda should be started from television, and it, the Russian one, does a disservice.
                      The fact is that the main part of the Maydanshiks are armed only with shields and batons. Small things, although there are small shotguns, shotguns. Police mostly died from knife wounds, during close contact, during a fight. And in general, what kind of police are they, if they cannot defend themselves from a simple knife attack.
                  2. +2
                    20 February 2014 18: 45
                    Quote: smersh70
                    smersh70

                    And how do you like this ???
                    1. smersh70
                      0
                      20 February 2014 22: 21
                      Quote: sds555
                      And how do you like this ???
                      where the machine gun, traumatic with guns ....
              2. +3
                20 February 2014 18: 25
                Quote: smersh70
                they don’t answer with fire. They shoot the citizens of their republic and run away,

                Maybe you will rush to maidan yourself and help the "peaceful" citizens of the republic.
                1. smersh70
                  -3
                  20 February 2014 22: 26
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Maybe you will rush to maidan yourself and help the "peaceful" citizens of the republic.
                  My job is to really assess the situation through the eyes of an operative. If you remember, Alexander, I wrote a couple of proposals even in early January, how to deal with the Maidan. Then after some time he pointed out the shortcomings in the conduct of operations by the security forces. Although in this matter I have always been minus instead of Akim))) but in the latter case I received approval.
                  Now for help! There have never been calls from me, it’s better to go to the help of the golden eagle if they go with foam at the mouth to see the dismemberment of the fraternal Slavic state and who are already dreaming of bombing Kreschatik with cluster bombs. Although this is a direct call for mass kill , but despite this, his comment was not deleted (it seems in the next branch)
              3. Alex 241
                +3
                20 February 2014 18: 34
                The order was signed in half an hour. Weapons were issued to all employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. The first thought when I saw the shots was how the militants (and in fact the young boys) fell under the bullets! Why the hell did they get there! Revolutionary romance jumped up in one place! We will destroy the whole world of violence to the ground, and then ............ This then came! and all this on the conscience of those who put it into their heads!
      2. +7
        20 February 2014 14: 26
        Quote: bomg.77
        It seems they gave the golden eagle a weapon

        If true, then Glory to God.
        1. +12
          20 February 2014 14: 30
          It's time, the answer must be equal. What a screech now begins in the west!
        2. +6
          20 February 2014 14: 32
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          If true, then Glory to God.
          This Berkutovets wrote on Twitter, and according to Russia 1 confirmed
          1. +7
            20 February 2014 14: 45
            Quote: bomg.77
            This Berkutovets wrote on Twitter, and according to Russia 1 confirmed

            Enough is good for protection, but it will be difficult to restore order in the country. Now it’s almost impossible. Ukraine has crossed the line when a brother goes to his brother. It can be said that Westerners from Lviv are not brothers of the East, but they got along without killing each other. Now already all, this line has been seen and then, who is who.
            1. +2
              20 February 2014 15: 04
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Enough is good for protection, but it will be difficult to restore order in the country. Now it’s almost impossible.
              Yanuk pulled in with the issuance of weapons, gave them a taste of impunity, it’s hard to get it into a bottle now, but it’s possible. In Ukraine there will be an island of stability in the manner of our Chechnya. Most likely Lviv and Ivano Frankivsk,
              1. +1
                20 February 2014 16: 05
                Quote: bomg.77
                and it’s hard to get it into the bottle now, but you can

                How? If it’s with a bunch of corpses all over the country, then yes, it won’t work out differently. And there really is a problem, they smashed a bunch of guns and machine guns. Any way out will lead to a warrior or a change of power. I won’t be surprised that the right sector itself will take power.
                1. +3
                  20 February 2014 16: 17
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  If with a bunch of corpses all over the country, then yes, it will not work differently

                  A bunch of corpses will be on any They have already tasted the blood hi Sasha drinks Only a day later I began to move away from yesterday's shame crying am And then Kiev is smashed in half
                  1. +1
                    20 February 2014 16: 46
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    And then Kiev is smashed in half

                    We’ll survive the shame, but Kiev is thundering. Video has been posted, the shooting is in full swing with a bunch of corpses. Hello Ruslan
                    1. +2
                      20 February 2014 16: 49
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Shame survive, but Kiev is booming

                      I just got chopped off yesterday after all this, I wanted to crawl under a blanket as a child and not get out request
                      1. +1
                        20 February 2014 16: 56
                        Quote: Ruslan67

                        I just got chopped off yesterday after all this, I wanted to crawl under a blanket as a child and not get out

                        What should I do request Itself went to bed at five or six in the morning yesterday. I drank beer slowly and was rooting for ours. First, the biathlon relay race, then skating, and then I went to sleep in the mood out recourse
                      2. +4
                        20 February 2014 16: 58
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Itself yesterday laid down either at five or six in the morning.

                        And I looked Solovyov slammed a glass of cognac and at 23 out negative By the way, he well-called yesterday the dog who went to the Maidan-glamorous scum wassat
                      3. +6
                        20 February 2014 17: 19
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        By the way, he well-called yesterday the dog who went to the Maidan-glamorous scum

                        Guys from Berkut, make sure that she doesn’t return (Sobchak) Russia will owe you.
                2. +1
                  20 February 2014 16: 43
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  How so?
                  the only way

                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  with tons of corpses all over the country
                  There is no other option, they smelled blood.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Moreover, I won’t be surprised that the right-wing sector will take power itself.
                  I’ve seen a photo now, I don’t know. It is a golden eagle or a disguised Maidan.
                  1. +2
                    20 February 2014 16: 44
                    Quote: bomg.77
                    I’ve seen a photo now, I don’t know. It is a golden eagle or disguised Maidan.

                    I don’t know, here’s the video on the site, somewhere they posted it. I don’t understand who. Lech, in the same article, look sds555 posted a video with these fighters.
                    1. +1
                      20 February 2014 17: 09
                      Welcome hi In that video, I nevertheless examined the inscription on the golden eagle of the Golden Eagle from two fighters, so it looks like this Golden Eagle from the military mocks
                  2. apostol88
                    +2
                    20 February 2014 16: 55
                    SBU (Alpha most likely).
                    They have yellow dressings.
                    1. +1
                      20 February 2014 17: 00
                      Quote: apostol88
                      SBU (Alpha most likely).

                      Well, these cotton wool will not roll.
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                  4. Alex 241
                    +4
                    20 February 2014 16: 58
                    Lesh is most likely Ukrainian "Alpha".
                    1. +2
                      20 February 2014 17: 03
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      most likely Ukrainian "Alpha".

                      Hi drinks And will they give a clear order or will they also deliver a human shield?
                      1. Alex 241
                        +3
                        20 February 2014 17: 09
                        Hello Ruslan, judging by the trunks, these guys will not represent a target from themselves.
                      2. apostol88
                        0
                        20 February 2014 17: 15
                        Found in nete, all the same it is Golden Eagle.
                      3. apostol88
                        0
                        20 February 2014 17: 15
                        Found in nete, all the same it is Golden Eagle.
                      4. 0
                        20 February 2014 17: 17
                        Quote: apostol88
                        Found in nete, all the same it is Golden Eagle.

                        Well, you give, why does one have the SBU inscription on the bronze or did it seem to me on the video?
                      5. Alex 241
                        +1
                        20 February 2014 17: 29
                        ]Sash, on armor, back, "Berkut" chevron.
                      6. 0
                        20 February 2014 17: 32
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Sash, on armor, back, "Berkut" chevron.

                        See another video sds555 posted a new one above, the inscription SBU, the same form, and any armor plates can be worn.
                      7. +2
                        20 February 2014 17: 35
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        the inscription SBU, the form is the same, and you can put on any broniki.

                        Yes, it doesn’t matter who would stop it
                      8. +2
                        20 February 2014 17: 38
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Yes, it doesn’t matter who would stop it

                        Ruslan, it doesn’t matter, Berkut’s moral support, and normal people too. The day before yesterday he wrote that Yanukovych had a day to completely maidan. The day before yesterday they fled from the sticks of Berkut, and today the assault rifles no longer help. warrior.
                      9. +3
                        20 February 2014 17: 41
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Golden eagle moral support, and normal people too.

                        They already need more reinforcements in the ranks, so much time in this mess. Let them finally bring order together with Alpha, if only quickly and with little blood on their part.
                      10. Alex 241
                        +2
                        20 February 2014 17: 45
                        .............................................
                      11. 0
                        20 February 2014 17: 49
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Alex 241

                        Sanya, well, there above sds555 uploads fresh videos one by one, look.
                      12. +1
                        20 February 2014 17: 48
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        If only quicker and a little blood for its part

                        It’s not possible to get small, too many weapons are gone, hell knows who. If it weren’t for this dolceous truce that Yanek arranged, there would be no one on the maidan.
                      13. +1
                        21 February 2014 04: 38
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        , Golden eagle moral support, and normal people too

                        PEDERAST leaked them! Yanukovych am So, what is next ? B ... b! Sasha! do you want to delete negative I haven’t seen this in our 90s request And Kulikov at whom I still worked for Solovyov said everything under which I am ready to subscribe unconditionally soldier hi
                      14. +1
                        21 February 2014 04: 45
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        PEDERAST leaked them! Yanukovych

                        I still don’t know who and how he leaked, he just came up, but I’m sitting and thinking. And what did we all expect from Yanukovych? He behaved the whole maidan, as if dry, handed over his right and left. And yesterday and the day before, including I expected that Yanukovych would give an order a little more and transmit the nits. But were we not naive to think request
                      15. +1
                        21 February 2014 05: 01
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I still don’t know who and how he leaked,

                        Rada adopted the law on the abolition of the counter ... You understand And Yanukovych is silent and is in talks with the European
                      16. +1
                        21 February 2014 05: 09
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Rada adopted the law on the abolition of counter ... You understand

                        Well, and who will fulfill it? -This law can be called Forward chaos.
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        And Yanukovych is silent and is in talks with the Eurogays

                        Yanukovych can introduce an emergency and send Rada to hell. But since he is a coward, this will not happen. In general, the laws in the Rada in the conditions of street battles are a farce.
                      17. +1
                        21 February 2014 05: 16
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Well, who will perform it?

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        This law can be called Forward chaos.

                        You said it yourself request When we worked something similar it was not possible EBN did a lot of things but not that. There is no power in Ukraine And worse, this is in my experience request There are no commanders of at least the middle level who could order to comply with the charter and act according to the instructions
                    2. +1
                      20 February 2014 17: 45
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      Lesh is most likely Ukrainian "Alpha".
                      Well, excellent. The bandages were yellow.
            2. +1
              20 February 2014 15: 23
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Enough is good for protection, but it will be difficult to restore order in the country. Now it’s almost impossible. Ukraine has crossed the line when a brother goes to his brother. It can be said that Westerners from Lviv are not brothers of the East, but they got along without killing each other. Now already all, this line has been seen and then, who is who.

              Difficult, maybe not possible, I agree. But let them even begin. So far, putting things in order has consisted of boltology, the fulfillment of the requirements of ochlocracy and the surrender of the Golden Eagle to the mercy.
              1. 0
                21 February 2014 00: 00
                Quote: Arhj
                But let them even begin.

                As Napoleon said, the main thing is to get into a fight, and then we'll see.
            3. +3
              20 February 2014 16: 37
              The return point was passed when they opened fire on the Berkutovites. Now either to prison, or cormorant to the last. The holy "trinity" must be tied by the legs to the mad horses and rolled over the broken cobblestones of Kiev, as the perpetrators of fratricide.
            4. 0
              20 February 2014 16: 48
              Here is what this Berkutovts wrote 10 minutes ago
      3. The comment was deleted.
      4. +1
        20 February 2014 17: 42
        Quote: bomg.77
        It seems they gave the golden eagle a weapon

        Someone is playing a multi-way combination, first they removed the cordon from the Maidan and gave them a lift to drive. This is what the brothers write.
        19. Pavel Tikhomirov: What a demonic circus!
        2014-02-20 в 12:11
        What a demonic circus demonstrates the current government!
        In the afternoon of Tuesday, everything was blocked, the metro did not work, there were no buses, only Kiev pastrans (communal), Kiev's roads were blocked in a thirty-kilometer zone, in fact it was a state of emergency, on Wednesday morning everything continued as well, there was no way to go to the Maidan.
        On the Maidan, tires ran out, gasoline ran out, there was no water or food .....
        A day later, in the second Wednesday half, the passage was opened again, by the evening the tires caught fire. Today, buses were launched in full, only the metro did not open, and blocked traffic from Western Ukraine.
        1. 0
          20 February 2014 17: 51
          Quote: Orik
          On the Maidan, tires ran out, gasoline ran out, there was no water or food .....
          A day later, in the second Wednesday half, the passage was opened again, by the evening the tires caught fire

          So a truce was announced and here is the result.
          1. Alex 241
            +1
            20 February 2014 17: 57
            In the news: an order to use weapons has been signed.
            1. +1
              20 February 2014 18: 02
              Judging by the video noticeably, I hope in the morning, many brains will be corrected.
              1. Alex 241
                0
                20 February 2014 18: 08
                Sasha, weapons (AK) are given to all employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, to protect their own lives, and the lives of families. I think we all have a sleepless night. On the outskirts of Kiev, they blocked the police department.
                1. 0
                  20 February 2014 18: 21
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  I think we all have a sleepless night. ATS was blocked on the outskirts of Kiev.

                  I’m already at two in the morning. Seich, look at the comments on the site, someone says the Airborne Forces and Marines on the way to Kiev, someone says that the battles are now taking place at the presidential administration. There are a lot of what, how and in fact and how it will be morning is not clear.
                  1. Alex 241
                    0
                    20 February 2014 18: 26
                    Yes, Sash, everything is very controversial. At Bankova, they are also trying to break through.
    2. Alex_Popovson
      +2
      20 February 2014 14: 48
      Ukraine from Russia is not separable

      I would like to note to you that what is now called "Western Ukraine" is a part of the Polish-Lithuanian Krul, or to say otherwise. And the fact that there are supposedly "Slavic brothers" should not stop anyone. Why, you ask? I will answer:
      1 - Now the Czechs and Poles, let’s keep silent about the Croats and others, being Slavs, took a different citizenship.
      2. The territory of the present "Western" Ukraine is also incorrect to refer to the primordial Slavic / Russian. It would be more correct to attribute the Elbe to Russia.
      3. I recently noticed that Westerners should leave the West, but visitors rejected this idea. I would like to note that the Professor is also the Professor in order to argue for a long time. Business or interests, but Russia lost Ukraine irrevocably.
  3. +17
    20 February 2014 13: 16
    - German Reich bring you freedom and prosperity! You will live and work in a civilized country! Your only duty is work and obedience, obedience and work for the benefit of Greater Germany!
    History repeats itself. True, the methods are different - there is also the Landsknecht-Bogatyr Klitschko and the branch of the Adenauer Foundation - the UDAR party ...
    1. +7
      20 February 2014 13: 24
      Quote: knn54
      - German Reich bring you freedom and prosperity! You will live and work in a civilized country! Your only duty is work and obedience, obedience and work for the benefit of Greater Germany!
      A short-term prospect, by the way, if Janus also chews snot
      1. +7
        20 February 2014 14: 05
        Well, something like this:
    2. +1
      20 February 2014 18: 02
      Reich is only interested in the Ukrainian market, instability on the EU border is beating both in them and in Russia. All this is a pi.ndosovsky theme.
      1. 0
        20 February 2014 21: 24
        Quote: Orik
        All this is a pi.ndosovsky theme.

        This is at least ... good
        Quote: Orik
        Reich is interested only in the Ukrainian market

        With their purchasing power equal to a little more than no * er.
        Someone will clearly explain to me what Germashka will get from Ukraine in case of their close embrace. So that with open borders, as the orange wants. So that with a common market, when Ukrainian "goods" are ABSOLUTELY NOT NEEDED IN EUROPE.
        And the picture with the inscription "come to germany to help with the household" can be shown to any burgher, comer, or ordinary taxpayer. The first two will laugh, and the third will go to the Bundestag to extinguish Angela's party because she still invites the backbone.
        You can also show the Turks, Bulgarians, Hungarians, Greeks, Romanians, Afrikos, Iranians, Pak, Chinais, etc. ....
        They will make bewildered faces with the question "Where are we then? Hundreds of thousands of us are waiting for" social "and" species ", and now a" competing organization "is on its way ... belay "
  4. +8
    20 February 2014 13: 20
    Yanukovych rag. a civil war begins in the country, but he does not moo and does not calve. You can’t make decisions, leave, let others do it, as Yeltsin did for us in 1999.
    1. dmitry_den
      +1
      20 February 2014 14: 49
      Quote: sinukvl
      Yanukovych rag. a civil war begins in the country, but he does not moo and does not calve. You can’t make decisions, leave, let others do it, as Yeltsin did for us in 1999.


      Yeltsin didn’t do it for you, since since August 1991 this half-drunk amoeba did not give an account of his antics.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=V1A9nHuSPSg



      Surely there are still those who remember him and mourn under his rule

    2. +1
      20 February 2014 15: 53
      Ebn didn’t do a good thing
      They did others, he only consumed vodka ZhRAL. Devoured, devoured And handed over your avatar

      Such talkers come to the tape and fart, fart, fart

      On the approach landing - it's time to smash Maidan Maidan
      1. dmitry_den
        +3
        20 February 2014 16: 01
        Your avatar and my ancestors defended my avatar, and it’s not good to be proud of the fact that today the blue-and-red project of Mr. Brzezinski and Dulles is flying.

        Don't be the same colors, there is something to think about, older ...


        And if the hedgehog farts, older, then the digestion process works.
        1. +3
          20 February 2014 16: 18
          Only chew thoroughly - digestion is very useful

          The gentlemen mentioned by YOU are not among my friends
          Proud of Russia
          I am proud of Russia
          Proud of Russia teaching children and grandchildren
  5. +6
    20 February 2014 13: 23
    A lot of ringing and grunting, Do not give Russia, Ukraine to anyone. And let them not dream.
  6. +11
    20 February 2014 13: 25
    The world went crazy .. on revolutions and European integration ...
    1. The friendship of the Poles with the Germans before the Second World War and the tricks of the Polish rulers against Germany ended in the destruction of Poland ..
    2. Tricks of Poland and Germany against Ukraine will come out for them sideways
    -firstly, a bad example of national fascism especially for German nationalists dissatisfied with the erosion of the German nation
    -secondly, a Galich center near Poland’s side .. something with their memory became ...
    1. +7
      20 February 2014 13: 58
      The Poles do not care with anyone, if only to spoil Russia.
      1. +1
        20 February 2014 15: 32
        In the World, a trend can be traced who is more shit than Russia, that friend of the USA for five minutes.
  7. +6
    20 February 2014 13: 30
    The Poles are fawning on the Germans in the hope that they will no longer destroy them.
    Germany thanks Bandera for their cooperation in the second world war. My father, who had fought the whole war, said that when the Germans drove from the Ukrainian land, hundreds pulled Westerners from attics, basements and other holes, without changing clothes they drove them into battle. Without combat experience, they died immediately. Now they are taking revenge for this and for their other betrayals.
  8. +7
    20 February 2014 13: 32
    I had crept in secret doubts whether he was oligophrenic. In the meantime, it is time to form a militia in this wonderland. So far, all these miracles have not been with us. Maybe the set is already on? Behind the scenes. Who in the subject drop the link
  9. +4
    20 February 2014 13: 38
    I read the article and it became so sad. Ukraine (at the moment) was left face to face with a whole flock of external enemies and to the heap with huge internal problems ... The fact that it alone cannot survive is understandable. Well ... is that a miracle ... Will something come next? There are no words to express all the bitterness accumulated in my soul ... Tragedy, perhaps ...
    1. +6
      20 February 2014 13: 49
      Quote: retired
      Ukraine (at the moment) was left face to face with a whole flock of external enemies and to the heap with huge internal problems ...


      the second day I’ve been bewildered, called my mother yesterday in the Crimea, said that she would have forged the bags and went to me, said that everything was calm. How long? and they paid a pension and didn’t see the maydaunas, they don’t catch eurotrachs, but not to that extent. ... la, what Ukraine has come to, I don’t understand one thing they need? no goals, no tasks, no requirements, anarchy.
  10. +18
    20 February 2014 13: 40
    Poland is a scavenger state. She always strove to grab a piece of the torn body after a fight between neighbors. And now they smelled alive.

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/386/xuda403.jpg
    1. +6
      20 February 2014 14: 02
      Yanukovych has a chance to fix everything, namely, to act like in a bike about declaring war on Russia in Crimea. Let Yanukovych declare war on us and restore order in Kiev within 24 hours, in 3 - 4 months and in Western Ukraine everything will settle down. This is as a joke-humor.
      In general, it is time for the Golden Eagle and the army to become a third force, I wrote about this three weeks ago, and take power into my own hands. In 1917, Nikolai the second did not have the determination to crush 500 people, the composition of the then State Duma of the Republic of Ingushetia, as a result, the blood of millions of our compatriots spilled and we lost a great country, the current situation in Ukraine, in fact, is a mirror image of those fateful events.
    2. +12
      20 February 2014 14: 15
      Quote: siberalt
      Poland is a scavenger state

      Scavenger’s lot will be like that
  11. +5
    20 February 2014 13: 42
    Hold on to the simple Ukrainian people! The interests of mighty states agreed on you.
  12. +4
    20 February 2014 13: 44
    What is Yanukovych waiting for? So soon people will think: "But Yanukovych is not doing anything, but why is he needed at all? Looks like Klitschko and Yatsenyuk are talking, it's time to bring Vitya down to earth." Ukraine was not lucky with the president, nothing you say.
    1. +2
      20 February 2014 14: 10
      grind the tongue, do not toss the bags, none of the so-called opposition have any REAL proposals for ending the riots and leading the country out of the crisis. Moreover, neither Klitschko, nor Yatsenyuk, nor Tyagnibok manage the current Maidan, they have become fictitious with exorbitant ambitions, so I do not understand the meaning of negotiations with people who, with all the desire, cannot calm the unrest.
    2. DPN
      +2
      20 February 2014 14: 13
      He has the same gold reserves in the West, goes against will remain a beggar. The West will impose a ban on his accounts, the prospect of remaining beggar is his reason for slowness. He follows in the footsteps of Gorbachev, but so far does not want to advertise them to PETS.
      1. +2
        20 February 2014 14: 45
        He will go against the West, but retain power. And retain power, still harboring!
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  14. +3
    20 February 2014 13: 50
    The Olympics will end, let's see what to do next. By that time, the situation should have reached the shooting, and this is an occasion to introduce tanks and to end the circus on behalf of the Square.
  15. +6
    20 February 2014 13: 53
    Well, what other proofs are needed that a war is being waged against Russia, a dirty, merciless war that does not end for a minute. It has always been, and this once again proves the correctness of the words of Emperor Alexander III "Russia has no friends, but there are only two loyal allies - its army and navy." And the Ukrainian people are sorry he became a bargaining chip in this war. But let the enemies of Russia not rejoice. Russia can be defeated, but it cannot be defeated. Something like this.
  16. +4
    20 February 2014 13: 53
    Information pranks:
    What Russia wants in Ukraine
    ("The National Interest", USA)
    Wojciech Konończuk (Wojciech Konończuk) is a senior fellow at the Center for Eastern Studies in Warsaw and a visiting fellow at the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington.

    : http://www.inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20140220/217703876.html#ixzz2tqylsZRm

    1. “The main goal of Russia during the Ukrainian crisis is to prevent the opposition from taking over the real power in the country. Russia recognizes any Ukrainian government until it implements real reforms of the existing dysfunctional system, modernization according to European standards, and, consequently, a pro-Western foreign policy. Therefore, Moscow continues to support Viktor Yanukovych, although he does not consider him the ideal president for Ukraine. The reason is that Yanukovych guarantees the preservation of the existing political and economic order. An authoritarian, corrupt, opaque, politically unstable Ukraine, which is unable to carry out the structural reforms absolutely necessary for it, is the best guarantee that the country will at least remain outside the European orbit - albeit outside the sphere of Russian influence. ”
    Russia needs a stable Ukraine - as evidenced by the planned contracts for 54 billion .. perhaps. someone will invest loot in an unstable country. Another delirium of the author

    2. “Ukraine with strong democratic institutions and with an approved European model will weaken the security of the political regime in Russia.”
    ... it would not hurt the author to read the VO Freedom program and their predecessors from the UPA ....

    3. " Therefore, the United States and the European Union must be prepared for the fact that Russia will take far-reaching measures. This country is preparing to use the full range of its powerful political, economic, energy and other instruments, coupled with the means of "soft power". The EU and the US are unable to keep up with her on this issue, because they act according to completely different rules and do not have such leverage. ”
    ... Nuland treats pies on the Maidan, and Merkel on the carpet calls the leaders of the Maidan .. and again Putin is to blame ..
    4. “Using numerous tools and contacts with the Ukrainian ruling elite, Russia is trying to push Viktor Yanukovych to use force against demonstrators in Kiev.”
    .. read the constitutional duties of the President of Ukraine. And here the Kremlin ..
    5 ... "the minimum task for Moscow will be the return of Ukraine to the parliamentary-presidential system with the rejection of presidential rule. And the maximum task is the transformation of Ukraine into a federal state. In both cases, Russia will receive additional leverage. ”
    The author confused, it seeks from Ukraine Europe .. The parliamentary republic during the crisis is death .. The Federation is a false urge to give birth ..
    6. "
    It is difficult to predict what will come of the ongoing crisis in Ukraine. But the situation requires a more active involvement of the EU and the USA, which should use the levers of influence on the Ukrainian ruling elite that they clearly have, including their financial intelligence. But the most important thing for the West is what it understands: no matter how the crisis in Ukraine ends, it will have a serious impact on the general situation in post-Soviet Eastern Europe, as well as on domestic political processes in Russia. And this is more than one country. ” ...
    .. thanks for the acknowledgment, sincere and stupid .. Affectors of the crisis –USA and the EU .. and everything is against Russia ....... Comments are unnecessary ...
  17. +3
    20 February 2014 13: 54
    Oh, I don't like it: "die EU-Ostpolitik", one or two steps to it before "Drang nach Osten"
  18. Andrew 58
    +23
    20 February 2014 13: 59
    “Russians! I now appeal to all Russians; the inhabitants of Ukraine and Belarus in the Balkans are also considered Russians. Look at us and remember - they will do the same to you when you disconnect and give slack. The West, this rabid dog, clings to your throat. Brothers, remember the fate of Yugoslavia! Don't let me do the same to you! ”
    (Ex-President of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Slobodan MILOSHEVICH - in the last interview before his death in the Hague prison in March 2006.)

    http://www.kp.ru/daily/26197.4/3083971/
    1. Luzhichanin
      +3
      20 February 2014 14: 48
      Yes, the Germans did their best to destroy Yugoslavia. It is regrettable that our government continues to work not for the people, but for a foreign country.
      1. dmitry_den
        +1
        20 February 2014 15: 16
        Anti-Russian policy against Russian speakers in Estonia is a typical foreign policy of the Kozyrev-Yeltsin heritage of the Russian Federation. A shame!

        I won’t be surprised if the descendants of geeks from Waffen SS start pogroms in Estonia in unison with Bendery rabble
  19. +2
    20 February 2014 14: 08
    Poland is the main enemy of Russia, it's time to get used to it.
    1. 0
      20 February 2014 22: 47
      Quote: Altor86
      Poland is the main enemy of Russia, it's time to get used to it.

      Poland does not pull on the main enemy.
  20. +3
    20 February 2014 14: 11
    Americans about the Maidan:
  21. +3
    20 February 2014 14: 12
    ... German politics in Ukraine:
    "On the scorched plain -
    Meter meter -
    Go to Ukraine
    Soldiers of the "Center" group. "
  22. +2
    20 February 2014 14: 17
    and the whole problem is that the government has its hands tied, any opposition sees the seizure of accounts in foreign banks. And people still do not understand that these accounts put themselves in the position that any European bureaucrat will have them as he wants.
    Putin is well done in this regard, as he clearly and well-timed obliged our bureaucrats to get rid of this dependence. He would have tamed businessmen as well. They earn money in our country, so you can also make them withdraw capital from Western banks back to Russia. Therefore, they cannot blackmail any sanctions
  23. dmitry_den
    +1
    20 February 2014 14: 20
    Quote: ia-ai00
    If this "booze" had spun in the USA, it would have been "reassured" in a few hours, there would have been killed, and wounded, and arrested, and they would have CHIKHALI for "criticism" if someone dared.


    the fact is that Yanukovych fears for the future of his family, so he sacrifices ordinary people who are waiting for orders from him to establish peace and tranquility. Each concession of Yanukovych - dozens of deaths.
  24. vladsolo56
    -7
    20 February 2014 14: 21
    Russia surrendered Libya, almost surrendered Syria, and now surrenders Ukraine. how much can you retreat, again to Moscow?
    1. dmitry_den
      -8
      20 February 2014 14: 26
      What do you want? Putin does not want to quarrel with the main consumer of Gazprom. Putin and Lavrov clearly inherit a policy of non-intervention, since in their "professional" view Ukraine is not included in the zone of vital interests of Gazprom.

      The boorish attitude of the Putin team towards the Belarusian leadership is not a myth. It's just that Batko forgives the unfriendly attacks of his allies, who have adopted the phrase: "Don't have a hundred friends, but have a hundred consumers of Gazprom."
    2. +5
      20 February 2014 14: 30
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Russia surrendered Libya, almost surrendered Syria, and now surrenders Ukraine

      Then only you surrendered yourself with giblets.
    3. vladsolo56
      -4
      20 February 2014 15: 17
      There is no need to set minuses, you who set them, write what I’m wrong about, specifically, without slogans and lies. Specific cases, non-veiled passes are unknown to anyone, specific statements, specific politicians?
      1. dmitry_den
        -1
        20 February 2014 15: 24
        Followers and admirers of these "founding fathers" of the free peoples of the fraternal republics of the USSR put these disadvantages to you.
  25. +2
    20 February 2014 14: 27
    Entering troops urgently, this is not the case, does this look like peaceful metenguarding ???

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/468/msxb614.jpg
    1. dmitry_den
      0
      20 February 2014 14: 33
      Judging by the news, a chemical agent has already been used.

      In Kiev, state institutions are evacuating in a hurry.
      They do not rule out the seizure of the Rada building and the presidential administration.
      1. sasin2008
        +1
        20 February 2014 14: 41
        Rada uda was evacuated, the defense ministry announces the transfer of 500 paratroopers and a large number of sea berets to Kiev with a show off to guard military depots, etc.
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/976/dypp446.jpg
        1. dmitry_den
          +2
          20 February 2014 15: 00
          Can it be that Golden Eagle cannot restore order on its own? To do this, you need to disturb the Airborne Forces?
          1. -1
            20 February 2014 22: 51
            Quote: dmitry_den
            Can it be that Golden Eagle cannot restore order on its own? To do this, you need to disturb the Airborne Forces?

            What kind of bench press? Are you scared already? Previously, you had to think. Let's see how your maidanutki friends in a real battle.
    2. +1
      20 February 2014 15: 32
      Quote: aspirin02
      Entering troops urgently, this is not the case, does it look like peaceful metenguers

      The media began to slip information that troops began to be deployed near Kiev. There were statements that 500 paratroopers had already been transferred from near Donetsk, and an air-mobile regiment from near Nikolaev was being prepared for the transfer. I do not answer for reliability, but draws attention to the fact that troops are taken only from the southeast.
  26. +1
    20 February 2014 14: 29
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      20 February 2014 14: 31
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  27. +2
    20 February 2014 14: 46
    that everyone is so worried about Ukraine, of course, it’s a pity for the people, but they themselves chose their path twenty-odd years ago and gradually went to this, they only talked a little about it until they reached the Maidan. When there was a Chechen bouffant, they were crested and delivered weapons and snipers so that our kill the guys and now everyone is crying oh what a good Ukrainian people they will never be with us except for family relationships who have them but with other countries have the same relationship and we don’t think of brothers By the way in Islamic Syria they treat Russians better than Christian ones Ukraine And it’s enough to nurse with us in our country not to dissipate our problems, but we don’t know who the hell will be and when they will pay their pensioners in the store and see what to buy because they get a trifle in the form of a pension Now you can minus
    1. Alex_Popovson
      +5
      20 February 2014 14: 53
      Tai, why minus. Ayda, how does it strike, to dump the Lyuli to the Nazis-Westerners?
    2. Andrew 58
      +7
      20 February 2014 15: 10
      when a neighbor has a fire, you need to put out the whole street, otherwise the flame will soon spread to your house.
  28. escobar
    +13
    20 February 2014 14: 58
    I'm glad to run away, the regionals are dumping out of the country - Yanukovych is just a sick fuck, dozens of people are being killed, and he is a bastard, he does not do anything, he cannot put things in order, nor can he transfer power. It is clear that he is the end, but you can still leave “with dignity.” All western regions are in the hands of the opposition, ammunition depots, security forces and cops are already being seized. What is this fat hog still waiting for ..?
    Shame and curses on Yanukovych and his bandit clan. The world is global now, and the yanyk with sons will not hide stolen billions.
    1. +6
      20 February 2014 15: 07
      Bro, where is your army? Also merged? Did she reprimand like those damned armored personnel carriers? The Egyptian military at the first threat to the country dispersed all this democratic shell by one or two and did not pay attention to snot from across the seas. And you? Or no military? Everything on a commercial basis?
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    3. +2
      20 February 2014 15: 42
      Vitek the traitor, on his hands the blood of Golden Eagle and VV.
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  29. Net
    Net
    +6
    20 February 2014 15: 12
    One thing is good, the Crimean parliament did not rule out separation from this semblance of the state if the conflict erupted. It is time for us Crimeans to return home to Russia together with our common land.
  30. +2
    20 February 2014 15: 16
    The Germans pursue their policy ... This is certainly a bad thing. But! Where are the pro-Russian agents of influence? It was impossible to reduce everything to flirting with the next party in power, IMHO ...
    And the West is growing another Chechnya, only already at its border. What will they scream in the same Greater Poland when the Banderas begin ethnic cleansing?
  31. 0
    20 February 2014 15: 19
    “Poland will continue to guarantee Ukraine the support of the right choice.”
    Already already lost shame belay like this open am
  32. +1
    20 February 2014 15: 41
    Discussion on a German news resource
    http://news.de.msn.com

    Golfer 6 1 day ago

    who are not radical protesters but anarchists and terrorists

    Lupo1212 50 minutes ago

    This terrorist Klitschko got here, in Germany the government in general is already a scandal.
    Imagine there are thousands of students in the 60s who then demonstrated against our government and the Baader-Meinhof group did the Americans call for support for the overthrow of the German government? And Andreas Baader and Ulrike Meinhof were invited by the American president to Washington ....!
    The location of our foreign minister is taking more and more of that of a minister of war for third countries.
    Such a policy is unbearable, and strangely enough it always acted until after the election, if all the elements were awarded.

    Otto Bengtsson 46 minutes ago

    It would not be bad if there was a demonstration in Germany against the foreign policy of Germany. Finally, they support the terrorists.
    A little warning will make these rags in good times in the Reichstag.

    4ngel.w.4ttitude 26 minutes ago

    This happens exactly when the USA and the EU are fighting against Russia for raw materials.
    The fact that millions of Ukrainians in times of international austerity are happy for cheap life (as is possible in Ukraine), this is forgotten. And what will Steinmeier be there now?
    Will he now, for the "Steinschmeisser" in the middle of the Independence Square?
    The implications are not yet clear, thanks EU! Thanks USA! Thanks Klitschko! Thanks Merkel!

    Neocon 18 minutes ago

    I think this revolution is super)))) this is the only way you can, our hungry and come to eastern breastfeeding. in Slavic Parazite. The main reason for our Western society is good)))) We get your raw materials and Ukrainian women can clean and cook with us, so that our women can relax in the store. And if it gets boring their our girls calmly Türckische SCHW. Schlotzen ge)))

    Johann Belenesi 27 minutes ago

    "World peace"

    The founding of the USA ... of the world, with the Basic Law.


    Among the Germans, too, not everything is clear.
  33. 0
    20 February 2014 15: 49
    Why wait for Ya’s decision? The charter of the Ministry of Internal Affairs contains a clause: if the life of a soldier is in danger, use weapons.
    Now, 393 of them are 83 wounded seriously, 13 dead.
  34. +2
    20 February 2014 15: 58
    Quote: dmitry_den
    the fact is that Yanukovych fears for the future of his family, so he sacrifices ordinary people who are waiting for orders from him to establish peace and tranquility. Each concession of Yanukovych - dozens of deaths.

    Of course he's afraid. And not without reason. America knows the pain points of the thieving elite (and can the "elite" be NOT thieving at all?) And presses on Ukraine with sanctions directed against "a number of officials" guilty of ... (the insinuated "wines" of the lambs that dared " pure stirring up a drink "having come to the watering hole with a wolf) - they threaten with sanctions, which the" thieving elites "fear more than any SBU, KGB and pitchfork into their thick bubbles during the riot of popular anger. Not only will they not be allowed into the United States, they will be arrested there, just like Pasha Borodin, or Pasha Lazarenko (they will become dogs!) And even then and look, they will "block accounts in Morgan-Stanley banks, those accounts , which were so tenderly and cherished replenished with well-refined ones.
    Therefore, Yanukovych sits like an idol, and therefore does not move tanks against the barricades on the Maidan - because he fell into a trap - "wherever you go - everywhere, either the court in The Hague, where you have to answer filthy questions as clumsy as the death of Carla del Ponta - or sanctions and at the end - a pitchfork in the belly "...
    And the situation is indeed now hopeless. It’s hopeless because if they show inaction, they will be lifted by the insurgent "Drevlyans", and if they move tanks and airborne brigades against the Maidan, they will then be demanded to be extradited by the Brussels Reichs ministers, as the Serbian President demanded to extradite former Serbian generals. All their hopes are now on Russia and Putin - can it help?
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  36. +1
    20 February 2014 16: 10
    Another week and Yanukovych krants, employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs are demoralized, the authorities chew snot
  37. 0
    20 February 2014 16: 12
    Interview of Ukrainian women to the German edition of Spiegel.

    The group held Marina Weiss last week on the Maidan. In an interview, the pirate and Ukrainian relatives told her masked comrades and explains why the opposition does not speak with one voice. German media draw their view, a distorted picture. Marina Weiss Group, 26, was known with the rise of the Pirate Party, and wrote the book "We call it politics" written. She was born in Kiev.

    SPIEGEL ONLINE: Ms. Weiss group, you spent on Maidan last week. What was your mood like?

    Weiss Band: It was a very colorful picture. There were nationalists, ultra-leftists, pensioners. On stage, poems were read, worked on the edge of the barricades. The location was quiet, but people were disoriented.
    SPIEGEL ONLINE: One sees mainly photographs of well-armed demonstrators with a steel helmet, sticks, body armor.

    Weiss Band: Yes, almost every second on Maidan is disguised and wearing home-made protective clothing. Upgrading to so because they are compensated by the heavily armed police forces with Kalashnikovs that operate on authoritarian rule. I also had only been afraid to go everywhere, because anywhere, sat with batons. But most of them were very friendly. I was even accompanied by two masked men when I went to the Gruschewskistraße time when the demonstrators and blocks of the Golden Eagle collide. My companions were very friendly, probably not even from their age.


    SPIEGEL ONLINE: Where do you have it at all?
    Weiss Band: I spent a week in Kiev and was invited by protesters to give a lecture on "Liquid Democracy" at the Open University on the Maidan. People in the process are divided into different groups. Yes, there is no general discussion of how it is going. My colleagues worked to develop common requirements for all groups. This is the first period of time in escalation.

    SPIEGEL ONLINE: Opposition but has clear requirements.

    Weiss Band: There are two main political groups. As there are opposition parties and there are independent citizens, the movement that originally happened even with the motto "Maidan without politics". Of those, the majority believe that the opposition parties will behave as corrupt as the current government, they came to power.
    1. 0
      20 February 2014 16: 18
      SPIEGEL ONLINE: What role does Vitali Klitschko play?

      Weiss Band: Klitschko's role is very overrated in Germany. Opposition parties are part of the Euromaidans, but not on the cutting edge. Klitschko is taken as a figure barely serious. I myself have not met anyone who was impressed by him. He only speaks Ukrainian, speaks in several sentences during his speech. People with corruption on the road and not for or against any party. At least my impression of the place.

      SPIEGEL ONLINE: You were born in Ukraine and still have a Ukrainian passport. How are you now, with this escalation?

      Weiss Band: Of course I'm worried. You know that evening I don’t know what Ukraine will be for the country, that when you wake up the next morning. Kiev is currently in a state of emergency, my relatives live there, friends on the Maidan.

      SPIEGEL ONLINE: You should have been before Sunday's place, but now that the situation is getting worse, you are sitting in front of Munster live streams and twitter.

      Weiss Band: I am almost ashamed to return home. In my group, no one could have thought that it had already outgrown.

      SPIEGEL ONLINE: You have a picture painted, obviously a propaganda picture that you want to offer, a large portrait of Hitler is hanging on the Maidan. Who is spreading this?

      Weiss Band: This picture was taken by Russian Twitter - the avatar in the photo has a small Russian flag. I see that in the framework of Russian propaganda. Russian television, which will be especially watched in the east of Ukraine, is rumored that there were mainly nationalists and collaborators of Hitler on the Maidan. The procedure is directed by disinformation.

      SPIEGEL ONLINE: There are also.

      Weiss Band: Yes, good. I also do not want armed militants the right to take power. But protesters are forced to defend themselves as well.
      SPIEGEL ONLINE: When will you return to the Maidan?

      Weiss Band: I hope in the spring. At the moment, the recording is too dangerous for me, I performed in front of the public in opposition on the Maidan.
    2. 0
      20 February 2014 16: 20
      Komenty Germans on the article.
      [Message from sysopanzeigen ...]
      Maybe hardly German speeches .... And then in Ukraine .... The meandering Klitscko brothers are better off staying at home ... Unfortunately ..
      2 cute
      Values ​​today, 06:40 a.m.
      She looks like this, but I think that the role she intends to play here is 4 sizes too big. The Knicks from Kiev can currently be thought, unfortunately.
      3
      women_1900 Today, 06:42 AM
      The German media "must" create a distorted image for the approval of the population to pay for them that even Ukraine will join the EU. What I find quite eloquent is the fact that the seemingly unheard-of and, thank God, published, call the US Secretary of State is already in "nothingness." It's just a matter of funding the megalomania of God to Barroso and the Cold War from the US against Russia. These three people in the EU take mindestesn to tacitly admit that people are injured or killed. All the bloody images are adapted in such a way that "make benefactors" in the EU and Germany allowed herself again in front of the cart of the powerful. You should also report this that Goldman Sachs has already "invested" in Ukraine and made recommendations for "investments". Klitschko is nothing more than a puppet of the United States and Mrs. Merkel, Steinmeier, Martin Schultz and others as well.
      4 Klitschko is just an ass
      veritas31 Today, 07:22 a.m.
      which can be stretched (also by the German "Media") in front of the cart. So acted as if it were just a "figure" to bring the revolution to success. Just as imbecile as the thesis that a common Facebook account to the Arab states brings peace. Ukraine will come to an agreement again - on one path or the other, but WITHOUT guaranteed Mr. Klitschko!
      5 Oh no ...
      vrdeutschland Today, 07:26 AM
      Klitschko is not taken seriously? Well, something like that ... But after all, but the Chancellor got it. Then it should belong to the politicians of the next government. How naively did you actually grow up in the West? Let's hope that the Ukrainians are not quite as stupid as the Californians who voted for Arnold Schwarzenegger. Because it was just bullshit high ten, but at least it came off without violence ...
  38. escobar
    +3
    20 February 2014 16: 13
    I don’t know what Yanyk will do, all western regions, along with local cops and security forces, swore allegiance to the Maidan, well, he will disperse the Maidan, kill 1000 people and what’s next. There is no army, and if there is an order, then none of the military will go against the people. Not only that, the authorities are trying to transfer the confrontation to the West-East format (civil war), now the format is Maidan-siloviki. Yanyk has no support in the east and in Donetsk itself, it would be more likely he would have fallen (just where ..)
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  40. 100
    100
    +2
    20 February 2014 16: 14
    Honestly, I haven’t read most of the comments, I’m running out of time, but I want to speak out, like 100zh is not a reader, but a writer wassat I will try on points:
    1. This is an attempt (repeated) to create instability along the Russian borders.
    2. The time was chosen optimally (OI), earlier it was tried on 08.08.08, then "the horns were broken off, now the situation is more complicated (we are the Hosts of the OI and therefore are" tied hand and foot ").
    3. From the moment of the seizure of weapons in local ATS-ATC, a line has been passed and hostilities begin.
    4. Google how Ukrainian banderlogs underwent disruptive training in Lithuania.

    Threat. We are waiting for the end of the OI and we hope that Ya will stand (otherwise on the bunks), and there the hands will be untied and extinguished quickly. IMHO hi
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  42. escobar
    0
    20 February 2014 16: 29
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DxkDiAcSF8#t=13
    how the boys were killed.
  43. 0
    20 February 2014 18: 25
    The article is long, it could be written shorter ... The thesis of the first-Germany does not need Yanukovych, the thesis of the second-Germany has to trudge in the wake of its occupiers in the person of the United States, the third-thesis-Merkel has already turned to Putin about the situation in Ukraine and restoring order (Maidan Germany, too, does not need anything, recalls the "damned past"), the fourth thesis of my already - Ukrainian bread does not need to be given to the Germans and Europe must be constantly reminded of the numerous unexpected ones in the form of nuclear power plants, which for the Germans are symbols of hell (see Chernobyl) ... And they will answer us for Kiev and Sevastopol ...
  44. +2
    20 February 2014 18: 47
    deputies carry weapons to the Maidan
  45. parus2nik
    +1
    20 February 2014 20: 00
    Poland is a scavenger .. always pulled what lies bad ...
  46. +1
    20 February 2014 20: 45
    Since the 90s, Russia has been made "part of the world community" under the leadership of the United States. In this, it is necessary to look for the root cause of its defeats in foreign policy - a part of the system cannot be stronger than the system itself.
  47. +1
    21 February 2014 00: 48
    The Parliament of Ukraine decided to withdraw troops from Kiev. Verkhovna Rada sent Yanukovych, disputing his authority !!!
  48. vladsolo56
    +1
    22 February 2014 05: 40
    Well, where are those screamers who claimed that Russia would not surrender Ukraine, that Putin would not allow this? let them read the latest news. Ukraine surrendered to the West, Yushchenko will be imprisoned at best. Analysis is something that not everyone is given, so learn to think, you don’t need to put minuses, I already wrote about this many times.