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“There is an idea - there is“ Ikea ”, there is no idea - no hockey!

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“There is an idea - there is“ Ikea ”, there is no idea - no hockey!



I want to express my personal opinion on the next loss of the Russian hockey team at the Olympics.

I myself am a swimming master of swimming, i.e. athlete with a decent experience. But, to be honest, watching sports never took a great interest. Interest is caused only by those competitions where our participants apply for prizes.

Almost the whole country has given up on football players, and nothing good is expected of them. I think the problem here is money! And a lot of money. Football players play ONLY for money. Nothing more interests them. Ideas they have NO. This proved the “interview” of Arshavin after their disastrous loss in Poland against the background of how our fans spent their time, money and HEALTH in a carnage with the Poles!

This problem can be solved in the following way: by removing football players from a huge monetary allowance. Maybe the idea will then appear to win and not to play.

With hockey, the problem is similar, but somewhat different.

It used to be "Red car", then it became the "Red typewriter", and the last three olympiads - "Red disability".

Experienced players, hockey legends gather! But they are in their NHL legends! Yes, they play, it happens, and at the world championships. But with olympiads something does not fit. Probably not fit because they come to the game a few hours before the start! Do not have time to play! Everybody is a STAR! And there is no star team! Theoretically, with the addition of positive numbers, the amount should increase, and then - on the contrary, it turns out! When adding STARS, the sum is lower than if you add less than star names to the team!

Here, I think, there can be only one solution: to form the Olympic team only from those players who play in Russia, so that the team plays in advance, so that they feel each other, so as not to drag the blanket over themselves!

Maybe gold will not work right away, but I think that at least the team will reach the semifinal!

Such a decision would help to leave true patriots in Russia, for whom it would be more important to participate in the Russian team at the Olympics, than to receive HUGE fees over the hill!

It feels like cats have spoiled! What big words were: for us it is VERY important - playing at home games! It would be IMPORTANT to fight to death! Let the Finns have played well, but draw with Slovakia after a draw with the USA !? It does not climb into any gate!

I understand that a game is a game, and anything can happen. But I do not have the feeling that they gave it!

For Russia, foreigners are doing more than Russian hockey players!

Korean An has already brought two medals, one of them is golden, an American who took Russian citizenship is GOLD on a snowboard!

In my opinion, our hockey players on this background should be so ashamed that you need to talk about this to everyone and everywhere on television and apologize for six months!

But I think they are not ashamed! I think that they, at least the majority, - in FIG! They are now back rolling over the ocean and again will be STARS!

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  1. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 20 February 2014 07: 23
    +35
    To be honest, the Finns were more united, the defense game went well and the shots on goal were not quantitative, but qualitative. In general, we need a new Tarasov and Stalin, so that in case of something, to cut down the forest in places not so remote ....
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 20 February 2014 07: 30
      +36
      Hmm, we lost hockey, we already lost half of the Olympiad, sad but true. recourse
      1. evgenii67
        evgenii67 20 February 2014 09: 28
        +15
        What can I say, at least oborozhnilis .. what to do: understand them and forgive.
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        the forest fell in places not so remote ....

        I do not agree, but
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        we need a new Tarasov

        for the team was a huge benefit,
        Quote: Scandinavian
        and Stalin

        for the country ...
        1. Ossetian.
          Ossetian. 20 February 2014 10: 25
          +17
          Understand and forgive...

          And who will understand us the fans, when the athletes will give all their best for us ???
          I am surprised not so much by the result as by the fact that ours do not fight like in the old days. Athletes of the USSR used to lose, but no one reproached them, because everyone saw how they fought and tried for us, for our homeland ...

          Well, can someone explain to me what they are missing ???
          1. Srgsoap
            Srgsoap 20 February 2014 10: 40
            +15
            What they lack ... You know, I watched the Canada-Latvia match on the net yesterday ... Look how the Latvians played ... I would say in the best traditions of the Soviet hockey school ... It was just interesting to watch ... They just bit for the puck, to explain briefly ... Ours, one game was a test, from the USA, then everything ...
            1. Ossetian.
              Ossetian. 20 February 2014 10: 51
              +6
              You know, I watched Canada-Latvia match online yesterday ...

              Yes you are right. I didn’t watch the match, but the judge judging by the reviews, I realized that the Latvians were on death. Unfortunately, the Soviet hockey school is forgotten by us ...
              1. sgv
                sgv 20 February 2014 11: 55
                +32
                During the day at work we watched the match of Russia and were just shocked! This is not a team, this is a team of advertising agents and merchandisers! Where is sports anger, where is the will to win, where is the feeling of the Motherland! Where is all this! Where! 2000 St. Petersburg World Championship, the picture is the same, they brought a TV set to work and watched the match Latvia Russia. The Russians have a full team of stars, we just have almost “Dinamo Riga” and that the stars are simply dumped, and we Russians in Latvia get another slap in the face from the Natsiks, we are in shock, and they dance and rejoice! In the evening I watched the match with the Latvians and my soul rejoiced, and the adrenaline was walking, and everything was! And they understood that these Canadians are stronger and more skilled, but we, too, will not just give up, we also can do something. Our Latvian team lost, lost, but with dignity. Today they fly to Riga and they will be greeted as winners and rightly so, they deserve it! If you look at all this from the other side, it turns out that out of 2 of the population of Latvia, everyone who could stand on skates and know how to hold a stick in their hands, there is simply no one to choose from, And in Russia 000, so you should have got 000 !!!!!!!! teams like ours in Latvia! Where are these other 140 national teams (we saw one) maybe 000 national team or 000 would have succeeded at least as our Latvians had a loss, but with full dedication. And of course it's a shame, the mood was spoiled until the end of the Olympiad and probably forever, because we will remember that they did not even take a wooden medal at home! Like this !
                1. samoletil18
                  samoletil18 20 February 2014 12: 37
                  +6
                  Quote: sgv
                  And in Russia 140 million

                  After Nogano-98, there was a forecast that it was not worth counting on medals after 2005. The complete collapse of children's sports in the dashing 90s. But there was an enthusiasm for coaches, parents, the children themselves. Now we are reaping the fruits of those years. And Bellyaletdinov has no problem who to refuse, he has a problem who to take, unlike Tarasov and Tikhonov. There is no morning competition. In the KHL in clubs from Europe, Canadians, Czechs, Russian players from Russian clubs are diluted with Swedes, Czechs Finns, Slovenes. In fact, there are not enough Russian players in professional teams. And this is from the 90s. But (!) A hockey box came to life again under my windows, the little one is happy to do it, the sports schools have survived - we must wait for the generation of athletes to grow up with competition within themselves. And there will be new medals in numbers close to the times of the USSR.
                  1. Polovec
                    Polovec 20 February 2014 15: 43
                    +4
                    I'd like to believe in the revival of the national sport, but I do not see any special prerequisites, unlike you. First you need to teach children to be proud of the country. And then again we will see how people with Russian surnames will stand under other people's flags. I fully support the author in the idea of ​​involving only athletes playing for domestic clubs in the national team.
                    However, it must be remembered that the athlete has a very short "shelf life". During the period of his sports career, the athlete must provide himself for the rest of his life. After a career, they have neither health nor profession. Today's capitalist world has turned athletes into gladiators. This is the reality, unfortunately.
                    The Olympic champion should receive huge preferences in our country. I’m afraid that financial reward cannot be considered a sufficient reward (regardless of the amount). The champion must feel gratitude and respect of the country for the rest of his life. I have no idea how to do this, but I think this and only this will return to us athletes thankful to the Fatherland, and not a bunch of freaks who, before throwing at the enemy’s goal, will think about what their foreign owners will say for this goal.
                    1. chp67
                      chp67 20 February 2014 23: 26
                      +1
                      who, before throwing at the opponent’s goal, will think about what their foreign owners will say for this goal. good
                2. ddd1975
                  ddd1975 20 February 2014 14: 58
                  +3
                  Don't just blame the players - they are picked by the coach. It is the mistakes of the coaches that lead to this shame. The game started very well for us and the puck was great, but where was Beal looking when, after a hammered puck, he went just relaxed - two attempts at once and no reaction. In retaliation, two blunt washers. So the match was leaked. And Beal's problem was obvious: in the presence of two super goalkeepers, he could not choose No. 1 (Bobrovsky had to be pulled out at the 2013 World Cup - I think they would have performed more worthy, and with the choice No. 1 at the Olympics it would have been easier), a dull cast of fives from unplayed superstars (each has a pronounced play on himself - as a leader in his team), stupid orders for the defenders (I don’t believe that ours are - though not the best) to play with a pull - the result is weak assistance to the attack and the constantly open zone. Yes, there are many questions for the coaches - especially for Bill. And many guys tried to be seen, but hockey is a team game - that's why they got "figure skating" and not a victory.
                  1. Polovec
                    Polovec 20 February 2014 15: 48
                    +2
                    I disagree! If the athletes were in the mood for a fight, then level # 1 or # 2 would not be of great importance in this game. It's just that the "stars" play for the national team to the light. None of them was going to die for their Motherland.
                    There is only one question for the trainer: why the hell are we going to hell?
                    They played disgustingly with Norway! They won simply because they did not play at all.

                    While writing, the pressure rose and pulled on Zhirinovschina! I'll go valerian drink ...
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                  2. mark7
                    mark7 20 February 2014 16: 18
                    0
                    I don’t agree, the trainer is excellent, and it’s correct in the article that they will meet in a few hours and say hello to the game, what to compare with the USSR and then it will be the case in the system, and the coach is normal
                    1. Debryansk
                      Debryansk 21 February 2014 02: 17
                      -1
                      Nelgit not in a few hours. Kavalchuk, Malkin, Ovechkin, that's who we were talking about when we became world champions and Kavalchuk threw the puck and not from the patriots mhl. and they have connections with many leading mhl players, the trainer needs to pack it all. When Bykov, we had an acute attacking hockey, but now there is no attack or defense. Che wanted to create a blyadinov, I understood, I didn’t, but he himself didn’t know what team should be in order to win the Olympic Games, hence the result.
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                3. The centurion
                  The centurion 20 February 2014 19: 45
                  0
                  Quote: sgv
                  where is the feeling of the motherland!

                  What a sense of homeland, what are you talking about. The same team consists of their defectors, in the war they were called Vlasovites. Each business has its own technology, there is a technology of victory, there is a technology of defeat, decline, defeat. Just imagine, there is a war going on, and Stalin hires the Vlasov division to defend Stalingrad. Say the absurdity. And our team is made up of defectors, isn't that the same. From the point of view of the Vlasov (fetis), of course not, but the result speaks for itself.
            2. ele1285
              ele1285 20 February 2014 13: 14
              +4
              Quote: SrgSoap
              What they lack ... Look how the Latvians played ... in the best traditions of the Soviet hockey school ... They just bite for the puck, Ours, one game was a test, from the USA, then everything ...

              Yes, many do not understand our collections in football and hockey. The impression that we came to "hang out". And now remember how the hockey CSKA of the times of Tikhonov was scolded, everyone was drafted into the army, the best were collected, etc. But, there was a "TEAM", and now there is some kind of party session. They get money in clubs, there is enough for life, what to strain. About patriotism, I think, at best, they once heard. I looked and spat, a gathering of millionaires came to ride on In short, our entire hockey team is not about singing, not dancing, neither the Motherland, nor the flag.
          2. Mite27
            Mite27 20 February 2014 10: 52
            +2
            so in our country now no one is giving up, it’s just that it is more noticeable for athletes at major competitions.
            1. Ossetian.
              Ossetian. 20 February 2014 11: 03
              +18
              Well, why doesn’t anyone give everything up ??? Most of our compatriots plow like Papa Carlo, for a salary from 8 to 15 thousand rubles (in our Republic at least such a salary), and the demand is such that it doesn’t seem like much !!! I work hard and am responsible for 15 thousand rubles. in per month.
              And they athletes receive millions, the fans adore them, the press wears them, and what ??? no response no greetings !!!
              1. Mite27
                Mite27 20 February 2014 11: 21
                -1
                They also believe that they are giving all the best, since they have such loot. Otherwise, these are your problems.
          3. PDM80
            PDM80 20 February 2014 10: 59
            +5
            That's the point, they went out to fight. It was a war, albeit without weapons, but a war in which the Russians have no equal. And these come out PR, say that they were at the Olympics and cut down money and EVERYTHING !!!
            1. Mite27
              Mite27 20 February 2014 11: 05
              0
              Alas, * there are no equal *, this is already in the past. Yes and everything goes to war differently. To die for victory or to win for the sake of life is all different things.
          4. Sewer
            Sewer 20 February 2014 11: 12
            +17
            money, as much money as possible! And a little catch-up:
            1. Mite27
              Mite27 20 February 2014 11: 18
              +2
              But the show we learned to do best of all and this is the main achievement with us in recent years.
            2. Yegorchik
              Yegorchik 20 February 2014 11: 45
              +30
              It is necessary to build a hockey team against the biathlon team and scandalize, or biathletes still will not be in anyone, so at least hockey players will get better.
              1. alone
                alone 20 February 2014 20: 24
                0
                Quote: Egorchik
                It is necessary to build a hockey team against the biathlon team and scandalize, or biathletes still will not be in anyone, so at least hockey players will get better.


                laughing good
            3. ele1285
              ele1285 20 February 2014 13: 56
              +1
              Quote: Sewer
              money, as much money as possible! And a little catch-up:
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          5. Sewer
            Sewer 20 February 2014 11: 12
            +19
            and another photo:
            1. Petrovich-2
              Petrovich-2 20 February 2014 14: 47
              +4
              Well yes, why then resent the game with the Americans? There was no Russian team.
              Just two American teams played and the American judges judged.
          6. Candy wrapper
            Candy wrapper 20 February 2014 11: 27
            +6
            Well, can someone explain to me what they are missing ???

            Teamwork. The author of the article is right, playing overseas gathering from time to time is not effective, and it’s not Russian hockey players that somehow work out. One of the national hockey teams that will win the Russian championship should go to world and olympiad championships. Training of hockey players at the expense of the state with small nails and a mandatory, legally binding condition: never act abroad either as a player or as a coach. It would not be bad at all to prohibit dual citizenship and emigration for all Russian citizens who were born in Russia since childhood and should associate their future with their homeland.
            1. alex-s
              alex-s 20 February 2014 14: 00
              +4
              One of the national hockey teams that will win the Russian championship should go to world and olympiad championships.

              So we have in the KHL already half of the foreigners! I’m afraid that the Finns and Czechs will not be able to play for us at the Olympics and World Cup!
              1. Candy wrapper
                Candy wrapper 20 February 2014 21: 02
                -1
                To foreigners - from the gate turn or let them take the citizenship of the Russian Federation.
            2. krpmlws
              krpmlws 20 February 2014 14: 37
              +2
              Quote: Fantik
              Well, can someone explain to me what they are missing ???

              Teamwork. The author of the article is right, playing overseas gathering from time to time is not effective, and it’s not Russian hockey players that somehow work out. One of the national hockey teams that will win the Russian championship should go to world and olympiad championships. Training of hockey players at the expense of the state with small nails and a mandatory, legally binding condition: never act abroad either as a player or as a coach. It would not be bad at all to prohibit dual citizenship and emigration for all Russian citizens who were born in Russia since childhood and should associate their future with their homeland.
              I agree, a set of talented players is not a team yet, this is what our coaches just cannot understand. It is necessary to change the selection system for competitions, first of all, take played triples from clubs, not individual stars, although stars are certainly necessary, but only betting on them is a big mistake. In my opinion, for twenty years we have had problems on the defensive, too many ridiculous mistakes, sometimes some kind of infantility, when the opponent in front of the goal acts freely. There is also a problem in going over to the attack, Soviet tactics from the defense or the middle with a pass to the attacker, I’m lost, I’m just smart enough to throw the puck towards the goal, which usually turns out to be a gift for the opponent.
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        2. siberalt
          siberalt 20 February 2014 13: 49
          +1
          Yes, even if Tarasov himself! There is no team. The idea could only be observed in the match between the Slovaks and the Czechs. Hockey is half of the Winter Olympics. It's a pity that this half ended sadly for us. I did not see any "red car". Only in a few episodes.
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      2. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 20 February 2014 09: 28
        +17
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Hmm, we lost hockey, we already lost half of the Olympiad, sad but true.

        Well, half is not half, but for me and still a bunch of citizens at heart is very sad.
        Kapets how sad !!! And it's a shame! I did not expect this. The hell with him would lose, but then they would lose almost at the same gate to one bunch of players. There was no assault, no bulk in the third period and stupid stupid washers ..

        I really recalled, as a sinful matter, how the fateful decision of the American judge is now visible, which sent us through Norway to the Finns, and not to the Czechs ...

        Most sorry for Bykov, after him Datsyuk, then our next coach, and only then Bill.

        Why is Bykov the most? since he most likely would have prepared a team for this Olympiad, but our stupid cheers do not know how to forgive and quickly forget all past achievements, because they ate it after Vancouver.

        It infuriates another thing, the same people who craved a sacred sacrifice after Vancouver will now crave a new one in the face of Bill's head, as if this would make a difference.

        Attention question. Which sane coach will want to lead the Russian team, knowing that there will be no support and understanding from the fans, and after the first serious failure they will want to eat you?

        So with such an attitude towards our coaches - real peasants - the time is not far off when the Americans and Canadians will train our team (they have less responsibility, they can take risks and do not care about changing couch-trainers-was ill), we’ll come to the truth, however, the results will definitely be higher, since the KHL coach cannot train the national team with the foundation of the burnt NHL, more precisely, they’re not doing well.

        Plan B, leave Bill, and take one five and a goalkeeper from the NHL, the rest are all from the KHL - the result, I am sure, will be better. But I’m afraid that our fans will go to bile again, such as our stupid coach doesn’t take the strongest players on the planet to the tournament, although these same players are pouring mud now.

        Plan B is to go and apologize to Bykov on his knees, and ask him to return, by the way, he succeeds in combining the KHL and the NHL, since he plays attacking hockey, just like overseas. But if he sends us all to hell, he will be right, because - read in bold.

        Something like this. In general, February 19 is a rainy day of the Olympics. And hockey and the fall of Lipnitskaya(sc * y * ko Shenderovich), and a violation at the finish line in the relay and a bunch of things, and even historical medals in the snowboard greatly softened this blow.

        In general, I will be watching with interest the boom in the FHR camp and watching how the candidates for the post of head coach of the Russian hockey team will pray that they are not touched, although they themselves did not miss the opportunity to bite first Bykov, and then Bill. Experts damn it!
        1. 31231
          31231 20 February 2014 09: 45
          +4
          I agree in part. Bill and Bykov, these are the most successful Russian hockey coaches to date.
          I also note that the arrival of both began with enchanting performances, and then an emotional decline, as a result of the lost Olympics and champions.
          So, if the Beals and change, then definitely not now.
          On the national team’s game: they played with good dedication, but there was practically no team game. For Bill professes defensive hockey, as a result of few goals scored and missed. Plus, Bill also made a mistake yesterday with the goalkeeper, as did Bykov in Vancouver with Nabokov.
          It is also incomprehensible why Bill did not start playing up the special brigade of the majority last year. After all, both Kovalchuk and Radulov and several defenders from the KHL were always at hand.
          But it’s definitely not worth firing him. Although this is already the second hit lumpy. The first with the same Finns in Turin-06.
        2. Roman Skomorokhov
          Roman Skomorokhov 20 February 2014 09: 52
          +2
          Quote: sledgehammer102
          not far off when the Americans and Canadians will train our team


          In football were ... Continue to continue?

          Quote: sledgehammer102
          Which sane coach will want to lead the Russian team, knowing that there will be no support and understanding from the fans, and after the first serious failure they will want to eat you?


          Apparently, there are less and less fools in the world.
          And with our ability to always look for the guilty ... I’m generally silent.

          Quote: sledgehammer102
          But I’m afraid that our fans will go to bile again, such as our stupid coach doesn’t take the strongest players on the planet to the tournament, although these same players are pouring mud now.


          And you can yell at these people. The stench will be in any situation, except for the first place. Score on them, that's all.

          Quote: sledgehammer102
          go and kneel to apologize to Bykov, and ask him to return


          Smart option. But who will throw the rake for the second time? For what?

          Quote: sledgehammer102
          I’m interested in watching the kipish in the FHR camp with interest and watching how the candidates for the post of head coach of the Russian hockey team will pray that they will not be touched


          What a fellow you are !!! I applaud while standing !!!
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 20 February 2014 10: 15
            +2
            Quote: Banshee
            In football were ... Continue to continue?


            Practice has shown that a good foreigner is worth five of ours. That hiddink, that Capello - copes with their tasks perfectly, and the choice of a lawyer is d * e * bilism of the Premier League, plus he is a club coach, and he is already screaming with us, like Spaletti. In our championship, not only football players are losing weight, but also club coaches.

            Quote: Banshee
            Smart option. But who will throw the rake for the second time? For what?

            Both Bill and Bulls are patriots, and they will do it for the sake of our country and our hockey. Bill has already said that he doesn’t mind trying again, I think Bulls will think and come back. In general, you can have two of them in tandem. Only now I'm afraid they will not appreciate their courage again and will be mixed with f * ck.

            So, Roman, we are having fun times. Both in biathlon and in hockey.
        3. Mr. Gambu4aS
          Mr. Gambu4aS 20 February 2014 11: 17
          0
          Directly removed everything from the tongue!
        4. Srgsoap
          Srgsoap 20 February 2014 11: 32
          +1
          Already the news, Tretyak does not exclude the return of Bykov and Zakharkin to the team ...... No comment ...
      3. predator.3
        predator.3 20 February 2014 09: 45
        +25
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Hmm, we lost hockey, we already lost half of the Olympiad, sad but true. recourse


        Yes, with hockey at the beginning, everything was clear, when our "Nostradamus" from the press and from among the fans began to shout to the whole district that Russia and Canada would play in the final, and the rest of the teams that they had come as extras ?!
        Again, this hype around Y. Lepnitskaya, also recorded in advance as champions among singles, Ahhh! zhurnalyugi you did not forget that she is only 15 years old! (she’s still well done! if it weren’t for this fall, and how she was going through) Yes, this English dudgeon Mutko, as always, ran ahead of the engine, with the title of Honored Master of Sports, which could not be assigned in a couple of weeks, as he rolls away the program!
        1. calocha
          calocha 20 February 2014 10: 10
          +10
          Bought journalists laugh at the authorities, deliberately praising the team, so that the defeat was deafening! The word is also a weapon. Why run ahead of the train?! And then all sorts of predictions for medals are built. There is no SPORT in the country, but they roll their lips to medals .... ..A shame!
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 20 February 2014 10: 10
          +13
          at least Julia has genuine grief from the fall, tears from resentment and feelings of guilt, because the country was rooting for her! but she is still ahead, which I cannot say about “our” “stars” from hockey. hi
          1. philippov
            philippov 20 February 2014 10: 41
            +8
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            at least Julia’s grief is genuine from the fall, tears from resentment and guilt

            Nothing, for a beaten two not beaten give
          2. philippov
            philippov 20 February 2014 10: 41
            0
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            at least Julia’s grief is genuine from the fall, tears from resentment and guilt

            Nothing, for a beaten two not beaten give
          3. samoletil18
            samoletil18 20 February 2014 13: 01
            +1
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            Julia’s grief is genuine from the fall, tears from resentment and guilt, because the country hurt her!

            My son is the same age as her. A child, after all! It would be organized for normal people who fumble in programming. And every comp., Which they write to Yulia abominations, has faded, and for a long time, if not forever. You look, and Lebera shut up.
        3. Pinochet000
          Pinochet000 20 February 2014 12: 15
          0
          Quote: predator.3
          Yes, with hockey, everything was already clear at the beginning, when our "Nostradamus" from the press and from among the fans

          In general, it seems that the Russian team keeps on the top lines of the unofficial medal standings .... in spite of someone or something, it really gives some kind of sabotage .... IMHO Athletes may not know this, they just manipulate ...
      4. calocha
        calocha 20 February 2014 10: 44
        +4
        If sports policy in the country does not change, then soon .... we will put up with defeats. But then I won, Bosco di Calleggi! Why write in English inscriptions, if Russian, then everything should be in Russian!
      5. 1398727
        1398727 20 February 2014 13: 42
        +1
        Here the expression is not appropriate, but sing ... it is!
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    2. Hleb
      Hleb 20 February 2014 07: 31
      +9
      now it was said for pathos? how do you imagine sending them to cut down the forest? or want to say that Bykov or Bilyaletdinov are not patriots? they don’t understand hockey? they don’t worry?
      1. I do not care
        I do not care 20 February 2014 10: 06
        +5
        What is the use of their experiences? In the Union, the backbone of the team was CSK players, regular military personnel, who were ready to cut their throats for their homeland both in sports and in war.
        Why train a team at home, if you can skate a few games in the Hindustan? The author is right, it is necessary to form a team of those who are here, and who is there, let them stay there!
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 07: 57
      +10
      Quote: Scandinavian
      . In general, we need a new Tarasov and Stalin, so that in case of something, to cut down the forest in places not so remote ....

      Yeah, the hockey players who fell the losers will be felled, and we’ll send you to the next Olympiad and World Cup. And with the World Cup you will join the loggers.
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 20 February 2014 08: 33
        +39
        With all due respect to Malkin, Ovechkin and other stars and stars of the NHL, I’ll say: - there was no team, or rather it was, but after the Finnish goal, I forgot how to play team hockey. Yes, they ran and pushed, there was no will to win. The feeling was that they simply did not know how to play with the Finns. The Americans and the Finns thoroughly prepared for the game with Russia. The Americans even used homework by pushing their referee and rehearsing the goal shift. And the Finns studied the strengths of the Russian team and neutralized them, and used the weak. And if the Americans defeated by cunning (meanness), then the Finns deservedly won.
        The only positive thing from all this: - We learned that dandruff can be defeated by the Heden Sholders, and thirst quenched by Coca-Cola. By the way, they learned from the football team that hunger is quenched with chips of leys.
        1. Normal
          Normal 20 February 2014 08: 59
          +17
          Quote: Z.O.V.
          - We learned that dandruff can be defeated by the Heden Sholders, and thirst can quench Coca-Cola. By the way, they learned from the football team that hunger is quenched with chips of leys.


          Since the days of Dobrovolsky, with his snickers, it has been a rule NOT to BUY goods advertised by football players.
          It is necessary to make it clear to the manufacturer that advertising his products by snickering athletes leads to a drop in sales.

          BOYOT OF GOODS that advertise athletes should bring to life both athletes and manufacturers.
          1. CALL.
            CALL. 20 February 2014 09: 30
            +7
            Quote: Normal
            Since the days of Dobrovolsky, with his snickers, it has been a rule NOT to BUY goods advertised by football players.


            Join us!
          2. Srgsoap
            Srgsoap 20 February 2014 12: 02
            +8
            One was already ...
          3. takto.onotak
            takto.onotak 20 February 2014 12: 32
            0
            An interesting topic, perhaps I will support ...!
          4. takto.onotak
            takto.onotak 20 February 2014 12: 32
            0
            An interesting topic, perhaps I will support ...!
        2. sssla
          sssla 20 February 2014 10: 57
          +11
          Quote: Z.O.V.
          Yes, they ran and pushed, there was no will to win. The feeling was that they simply did not know how to play with the Finns

          My answer. And you look at the recording of the game of the first Soviet national team with professionals) Canada, what seems there 71 years old (I can make a mistake) QUESTION does the Canadian national team remind you of anything ??? Russian Sochi 2014? The entire NHL game is only individualism, everything for itself. And what about our Soviet team? Only by individual team skill superimposed on the (most basic) team game Everyone knew their place and most importantly (which I still am amazed at) knew where the team-mate was located. You watch the game carefully for many moments when our player gave a pass without even knowing if our player was there AND IT WAS ALWAYS ALWAYS Not Even Looking THERE SUCH A TEAM NEEDED hiAnd then the games with the national teams of Slovakia and Slovenia will be like training moments at championships and tournaments. And about the Norwegian national teams, I just modestly keep silent
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      2. Scandinavian
        Scandinavian 20 February 2014 08: 46
        +11
        Yeah, the hockey players who fell the losers will be felled, and we’ll send you to the next Olympiad and World Cup. And with the World Cup you will join the loggers.


        Respected Alexander Romanov (2), the marshals aren’t mocking!

        And with regard to athletes, one should not invest in the head the material side, but other values. Kharlamov and Tretyak, why did you play hockey just for the sake of rubles?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 08: 53
          +3
          Quote: Scandinavian
          And with regard to athletes, one should not invest in the head the material side, but other values. Kharlamov and Tretyak, why did you play hockey just for the sake of rubles?

          But in 2008,2009 and 2012, didn’t they receive any money at all? Or all, forgot.
          Quote: Scandinavian

          Dear mocking marshals do not suit!

          Dear, I’m not a marshal, I’m a sailor (clean shoulder straps, good conscience). Collect the players when we lose, our national chip. I don’t look for comments for 2012, when the victory at the World Cup was celebrated. And there are all the same people who are now heavily slopping Ovechkin and the rest.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 09: 07
            0
            Tupit people, you support Ovechkin and the team, minus you. You crap the team-get a plus sign. Hello, we’ll think with brains fool
            1. vvp2412
              20 February 2014 09: 22
              +19
              Alexander, you are wrong!
              There is not a single mention of surnames in the article, except Arshavin. But he earned his disrespect from the people.
              No one is scumming the team! Fans are unhappy with the game of the team! Do you think that the national team doesn’t show its disrespect for their country and for their fans who spent BIG money to support the players, come to the games, or just run away from work, get sick on TV. During the games of our team in the city really free at rush hour! Yesterday I went and wondered, listening to the match on the radio! I drove the city at rush hour, as if half a city was gone!
              Is that really respect? No one would dare say badly about the national team if they lost in the semifinals or finals! But how can 3-1 lose to the Finns!
              Balts lost to Canadians 1-2!
              As they say, compare with a finger! Does the difference feel?
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 09: 49
                -2
                Quote: vvp2412
                Alexander, you are wrong!
                The article does not mention a single surname,

                And I'm not talking about the article, I'm talking about comments.
                Quote: vvp2412
                No one is scumming the team!

                Read all comments carefully and as said below .. gispanec (3) RU Today, 09:09
                I read .... and ofeeg ... how much shit is poured on our guys ... how much dirt and hate ... horror .. and a week ago they sang defirambuses .... my opinion is trolls, not fans who stuck in the USSR.

                I completely agree with him. All, my last koment in this topic, to argue with them. Do not respect yourself.
                1. igorra
                  igorra 20 February 2014 10: 53
                  +2
                  "I completely agree with him. Everything, my last comment in this thread, to argue with them. Do not respect yourself."
                  And so the team just picked up and died. A week ago, we did not sing praises, but wondered how the team could play, two-thirds of the squad arrived almost a day before the first match. And they can’t be 99 percent trolls and no one pours the national team with slops, the people just want them to understand what they have done with their game, what a spit they made in us. And we are not children, we see falsehood, and this makes us sad.
            2. vorobey
              vorobey 20 February 2014 09: 24
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              you support Ovechkin and the team, minus you. You crap team, get a plus sign


              Sanya is a plus to you, but nonetheless.
              There are players and no teams - a paradox.

              Damn, such a desire was at least get on your skates and just chopped so that at least it would not be embarrassing. Power hockey tied such men and only after they disconnected the two did the game go a little. I'm disappointed .... damn it and the American never comes to hand anywhere.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 09: 43
                +1
                Quote: vorobey
                but nonetheless.
                There are players and no teams - a paradox.

                Hi Sanya! If you saw what I wrote, then you remember, there are players and there are no teams. I spoke right away from the game with the Slovenes, I had to change my coach urgently. But no, people didn’t have to draw conclusions, let's wait for the game from the USA. We waited and this is where the paradox is the people there blamed the gate and the referee for everything. It was clear that the game wasn’t going on, as one cannot help but notice fool
                Quote: vorobey
                I'm disappointed .... damn it and the American never comes to hand anywhere.

                Go to Sochi, there are many more.
                1. avant-garde
                  avant-garde 20 February 2014 09: 45
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  I spoke immediately from the game with the Slovenes, to change the coach urgently

                  Let me ask, but how is this done ???? belay
                2. vorobey
                  vorobey 20 February 2014 09: 48
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Drive to Sochi, there are many more


                  Do you want the Yankees to urgently send two more ships with seals to rescue their while 200 blades stuck off the Turkish coast line up.

                  I will not be allowed into the Olympic Village with a shovel.
              2. VAF
                VAF 20 February 2014 11: 01
                +7
                Quote: vorobey
                There are players and no teams - a paradox.


                Hi Sanya! And what have you forgotten. Is a hockey game a team game?
                Yes, let them be at least SUPER PRO, but there should be team tactics !!!!
                Yesterday VILOR was "indignant" about my comet, well, as always with them, at the Uryakalak .. a personal transition ... how am I such a super-duper.
                yes such ..... in 10th grade already had the title of MASTER OF SPORTS of the USSR in volleyball!
                True, in the championship I went out only twice for matches, you know all the same, he’s still a boy of 17 years old .... more on the bench. but in the club who played the major league then they took ???
                When Kirilenko came to play in the NBA, he was primarily struck by the fact that we have 5-7 game combinations at home. and in the NBA at least 80 (!!!!).
                Sanya, did you see how the training of this team went ????
                Pokatushki-entertainments under the photo and video media ... everything is imprisoned for this.
                How to click. how to get into nines, etc. etc. And where are the team tactics and naming combinations ????
                And then with this "baggage" we go to the Olympic Games ???
                Bykov has always been lucky. that he took exactly 3s and deuces of players from the NHL .. played, but when Ovechkin and Semin fled from Vancouver .. everything .. time ran out.
                Or "remembered" that Kovalchuk played with someone and when ... but when was that ???
                In general, a real pro should work out all these individual "gadgets" "in his spare time" or during the off-season and general physical training, but before the competition there is only TEAM PREPARATION!
                And we have .... okay. men have already written everything drinks
                1. s1н7т
                  s1н7т 20 February 2014 12: 36
                  +4
                  As a fan "stuck in the USSR", I support with both hands! The entrance to the zone, the game on the "penny", the defenders - this is pi-pets! It seemed to me that there was no command tactics at all! One hope that the master. And the game is a team game! drinks
                2. Vilor
                  Vilor 20 February 2014 12: 58
                  -3
                  Citizen Waf, you’ll be calling some acquaintances there. You are not my matchmaker or brother. And personally, I did not insult you. But self-conceit should be reduced to you. I’m not a schoolboy so that you can report me with a fool. And I will not brag about my achievements. I'm not in kindergarten to measure long.
                  1. Debryansk
                    Debryansk 21 February 2014 02: 46
                    +2
                    Vilor - Non-whipping because they are not.
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            3. tomket
              tomket 20 February 2014 09: 38
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Tupit people, you support Ovechkin and the team, minus you. You crap the team-get a plus sign. Hello, we’ll think with brains

              The fact remains that we lost to the Finns and that’s all, despite Ovechkin’s track record. But the claim is more to the coaching staff, for that he and the coaching staff, what would make a star team out of stars, which unfortunately did not work ....
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 09: 45
                +1
                Quote: tomket
                . But the claim is more to the coaching staff, for that he and the coaching staff, what would make stars out of stars

                And I'm talking about what I'm writing? 2013, World Cup Russia -USA score of 3-8 in favor of amers. The coach is the same as you might expect, is it really victory.
              2. IOwTZ
                IOwTZ 20 February 2014 12: 25
                +1
                Quote: tomket
                coaching staff, what would make a star team out of stars, which unfortunately did not work out ....


                The coaching staff should prepare players from local clubs. There are a lot of talented guys around the country. And these came, did a favor and back to work. I watched the match as they played with the Americans - is this really a game of the Russians? This is a game of American teammates, with the only difference that “ours” have RUSSIA written on their uniforms. The Americans really played in full for their country, and “ours” played just not to get injured and not to be rude to a teammate rival. Putin, take Mutko away, that's enough already. Put a patriot, make boxes in the courtyards so that children, like in the USSR, fill the ice rink and play hockey, in the summer football, basketball, volleyball ... Even let them (boxes) be written from Gazprom, from Abramovich, from Uncle Petit , Uncle Vasya ... And let "ours" play at home, in America. I am sure that “ours” did not listen to the coach especially, they are “stars”, not God's servants.
                1. Debryansk
                  Debryansk 21 February 2014 03: 03
                  0
                  IOwTZ (3) - come on guys, the best play in the best teams and countries if they were bad players, they wouldn’t play in the NHL, and on the shi the local puffed 1st draft numbers come to America with shameless requests and the Americans give them a kick in the ass that they can’t even sell to the nth club, so don’t talk about mkhl, everything is corrupt like the player’s level, pay more and you’ll get to SKA and so on as the basis of any team. And guys play of their own accord Inikto does not pay them, so close your mouth and parasitize yourself in your life to achieve something, tear your ass off the sofa and wash it off behind you in the toilet.
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              3. Petr1
                Petr1 20 February 2014 12: 48
                0
                You need to make up players from KHL players who have constant gambling practice. Bilyaletdinov has nothing to do with it, he’s done well, Bulls, too, have already proved their own pro-professionalism to everyone, it’s hard to make a team in a week soldier
            4. Petr1
              Petr1 20 February 2014 10: 56
              +6
              Why did you crap romance, did you read the article? great star players, yes, but no team !!! We arrived and played back home in the NHL (America) laughing You need to put your fives with the KHL, it’s full of good guys growing. I think you don’t need to attract stars with the NHL. The author of the article says the thing.
          2. Scandinavian
            Scandinavian 20 February 2014 09: 12
            +5
            But in 2008,2009 and 2012, didn’t they receive any money at all? Or all, forgot.


            The whole past is already becoming history .... but you need to create history in the present, so that they don't forget ... As for "smearing when you lose", I will say that how our hockey players played such comments and went among the people, played bad crappy reviews from the people ... played great - it means excellent impressions of the game from the people ... We must call things by their proper names!
            1. Canep
              Canep 20 February 2014 09: 25
              +6
              What did you split up here, the Finns had a team, and ours had a set of stars, they arrived from America after the opening, I won’t be surprised if there were no normal training camps and joint training, all contracts in the NHL do not provide for the diversion of athletes to training camps. Here is the result. I'm not clairvoyant, but I expected this, though I thought I would bounce in the semifinals.
              In the game, most of the shots on the Finnish goal from the blue line, immediately after entering the zone, and as a result no one finished, then the crush on the puck began, as a result the Finns rolled the puck, and then on a new one. The Finnish defense game was a success, and our attackers often acted in an unorganized way.
      3. rkkasa xnumx
        rkkasa xnumx 20 February 2014 15: 19
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Scandinavian
        . In general, we need a new Tarasov and Stalin, so that in case of something, to cut down the forest in places not so remote ....
        Yeah, the hockey players who fell the losers will be felled, and we’ll send you to the next Olympiad and World Cup. And with the World Cup you will join the loggers.

        Guys, what kind of nonsense ?! When this was sent to the forestry for defeat in the USSR ?! Why should I write such a thing, you are not liberals at all in the end. We analyzed the lesions, made conclusions, took measures. But all these actions were not aimed at reprisals against the loser and in order to better prepare athletes (possibly others, the younger generation) for new starts.
        And as for the athletes and trainers on whom all the dogs are hung (not patriots, do not want to come to rest, etc.), I think this opinion is not true. They WANT to win, but they CAN’t. And athletes and coaches CAN'T blame this in the last place. Well, Datsyuk and Kovalchuk are not to blame for the fact that young Russian hockey players play worse than they do. Bykov and Bill are not to blame for the fact that there are no new Ovechkins and Malkins — who should be taken in their place? We scold the NHL-ev for a bad game, so the KHL-ts then played even worse.
        If the coaches are to blame, it’s not like the national team’s coaches, but much earlier, when they controlled the clubs. When they took foreigners for the sake of short-term victories, instead of preparing their young players.
    4. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 20 February 2014 08: 21
      +25
      Quote: Scandinavian
      In general, we need a new Tarasov

      BOOOO!
      And I completely agree with the author of the article: "Here, I think, there can be only one solution - to form the Olympic team only from those players who play in Russia, so that the team is played in advance, so that they feel each other, so that they do not pull the blanket over themselves! "

      Only and only from Of their!
      I must admit: yes they are stars, yes they were starting to be so in Russia ... But now? TAM play (work), TAM live, TAM families, TAM property accounts, citizenship request I don’t know what they are OUR? Even with all their past achievements. They’re not even legionaries, if they’re so attached to a certain place - abroad. I will not ulcerate, and I am not happy about this all the more ... This is sad.
      The author writes correctly - there are stars, no team.
      1. alex-s
        alex-s 20 February 2014 08: 45
        +2
        Only "ours" played on Eurotours, the result is the same! sad
      2. demel2
        demel2 20 February 2014 09: 00
        +6
        But Finns and Czechs, all the stars play the same thing in the NHL, doesn’t this matter, but something else? It seems that the core, character of our athletes, with rare exceptions, is completely absent, this applies not only to hockey players. Most often it’s just been hard to look at the same biathletes, continue to skiers on your own. In the 90s when there was no money for sports at all, you won more, because then the athletes started their careers back in the USSR. Now I can’t say, but apparently it was different in psychological terms. And it was disgusting to look at the current amoebas.
      3. Gur
        Gur 20 February 2014 09: 31
        +2
        I do not quite agree with this, I think that the main squad should have been formed from our own, rolled out and played, and fives should have been completed with a star, so to speak, to complete the attack. What I saw, from the very first match, this was not a team, it was a bunch, even if we omit all the team problems, but epa mother, elementary things like possession of the puck, an accurate pass, and being on the finish line should just be for them how on with .. I'm sorry. What have we seen? And you want to say that these are stars, in elementary cases, to get rid of it, excuse me, these are no longer any merits that do not cover this. It seems that the team gathered and played in Russian "ABOS", I do not know, maybe I will say too much and it is not entirely justified, but The Olympics do not feed the "stars", they are fed by the NHL, so why should they lay down their heads for this? In general, there is such confusion in my head, resentment, shame. Such PR, such rosy interviews, comments, and then they just shrug their shoulders and answer "well, I didn't shmogla, I didn't shmogla." And as a mockery of salt on the wound, a film about Tretyak and the Great USSR team. And it's so insulting for my son, who was so rooting for the Russian national team, and insulting for his tears ..
      4. Gur
        Gur 20 February 2014 09: 50
        0
        And I would also like to add that the match created the impression that the hospitality and integrity of our team was at their best, we gave all the teams to play their hockey so that they could feel the Olympics and leave with good memories ....
    5. makst83
      makst83 20 February 2014 08: 39
      -4
      Here Stalin is needed! You can’t win, earn gold ... then go to Kolyma, get it! laughing
      1. atalef
        atalef 20 February 2014 08: 52
        -7
        Quote: makst83
        Here Stalin is needed! You can’t win, earn gold ... then go to Kolyma, get it!

        well yes there are examples
        Pyongyang, august 4. Former North Korean national football team coach sentenced to forced labor at a construction site 14 hours a day.

        According to the Russian News Service, Kim Jong Hong was punished for his poor performance at the World Cup in South Africa. Immediately upon returning to their homeland, the trainer was interrogated for six hours and expelled from the ranks of the Korean Labor Party.


        Iraqi athletes who fled to the West told [a source is not specified 779 days] to human rights organizations that when the team lost, Uday "prescribed" flogging batons to the players, dipped them in sewage, ordered them to be dropped from the bridge, forced to crawl along the hot asphalt and kicking concrete walls. As soon as the Iraqi team played an unsuccessful match, she could not avoid several days of torture. During the match, Uday took notes in which he wrote in detail what tortures each individual player should be subjected to. At the end of the match, the perpetrators (often the whole team) were sent to the basement of the building of the Olympic Committee, where they were waiting for long days of abuse.
        1. Ivan Ural
          Ivan Ural 20 February 2014 17: 28
          +1
          And here is the flying rat
      2. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 20 February 2014 08: 56
        +15
        Yes, as much as you can with your lumberjack ... Like an amoeba, one response of the body to all irritations - Stalin, Kolyma ... Is there no brain for more? Buy it.

        Quote: Z.O.V.
        I will say: - there was no team


        Definitely. In the old days a team (team) was created long before the tournament. Do not care what: Che, World Cup, OI. They called in for a month and a half, selected, played. And, by the way, in the "Red Car", if you remember who can, they played with fives taken directly from the teams. Well, they took two from CSKA. Drums. Look at the compositions, everything will become clear as daylight.

        Now the approach is different, because it’s a different time. That the NHL, that the KHL are more concerned about their work, and the teams are being completed themselves have seen how. Is it normal, the arrival of players 2 days before the start? What could these players show? 15 - NHL, 10 - KHL. And a couple of days to play. Rave.

        Datsyuk, Kovalchuk, Malkin, Ovechkin showed everything they could. That is your class. But, the star class, not backed up by partners and a strong rear, is bullshit.

        The team must be assembled, trained, played. Then it will be the national team. But we still have a bunch of players. Alas.
        1. makst83
          makst83 20 February 2014 09: 03
          -6
          Buy a brain for yourself, since you don’t understand humor or borrow, if possible. fool
        2. xan
          xan 20 February 2014 10: 56
          +1
          Quote: Banshee
          Datsyuk, Kovalchuk, Malkin, Ovechkin showed everything they could. That is your class. But, the star class, not backed up by partners and a strong rear, is bullshit.

          The team must be assembled, trained, played. Then it will be the national team. But we still have a bunch of players. Alas.


          I saw the match. Enraged by the fact that the Finns for the entire game 5 points - 3 goals, our 15 points - 1 goal. Varlamov began to miss optional washers, never helped out, took only long-range shots. The outgoing Bobrovsky specifically saved the team twice, and confirmed his high class.
          I have no complaints about the players, I can see the individual skills abruptly more amers and Finns and the desire to score, unlike Turin and Vancouver, but there is no team. Although why there is no team, because the Finns and Swedes are in the same conditions. Beale's jambs are incomprehensible, because he is a cool coach without a doubt.
          1. atalef
            atalef 20 February 2014 11: 16
            -1
            Quote: xan
            Enraged by the fact that the Finns for the entire game 5 points - 3 goals, our 15 points - 1 goal.


            Kerzhakov virus, as they say
            He never missed a moment - miss a moment.
        3. atalef
          atalef 20 February 2014 11: 14
          0
          Quote: Banshee
          Yes, as much as you can with your lumberjack ... Like an amoeba, one response of the body to all irritations - Stalin, Kolyma ... Is there no brain for more? Buy it.

          That's about the fact that with all the repressions, the national teams that S. Korea, that Iraq - did not achieve anything
          Quote: Banshee
          Now the approach is different, because it’s a different time. That the NHL, that the KHL are more concerned about their work, and the teams are being completed themselves have seen how. Is it normal, the arrival of players 2 days before the start? What could these players show? 15 - NHL, 10 - KHL. And a couple of days to play. Rave.

          The whole problem in my opinion is that their stars play on their own and on their national teams, while ours play on their own, and the Russian team returns only on the eve of the Olympic Games or the World Cup.
          Quote: Banshee
          Datsyuk, Kovalchuk, Malkin, Ovechkin showed everything they could. That is your class. But, the star class, not backed by partners and a strong rear - bullshit

          Hockey not shashaki - team game

          Quote: Banshee
          The team must be assembled, trained, played. Then it will be the national team. But we still have a bunch of players. Alas.

          It’s just that many people think that grandmothers decide all this not so. No bonuses, bonuses or promises will make the team played - you need to play together
      3. demel2
        demel2 20 February 2014 09: 03
        +1
        But Stalin is not needed here, but something else, is Stalin sitting in Norway or Germany?
        1. Orang
          Orang 20 February 2014 12: 31
          -1
          Quote: demel2
          in Norway or Germany

          The fact of the matter is that we are not Norway or Germany. And in general, when they say "Stalin is not enough," they mean not only "Kolyma".
    6. askort154
      askort154 20 February 2014 08: 43
      +14
      Scandinavian .... To be honest, the Finns were more united.

      Our hockey from team-combinational has turned into a star-individual.
      Our foreign rivals began to play more "Soviet hockey", a close-knit team with the drawing of combinations. Ours, on the contrary, in the early Canadian - "throw-run."
      The power of team games is in "team play", which we have not had for a long time.
      1. 123dv
        123dv 20 February 2014 09: 16
        +9
        The law on foreign agents should be extended to hockey, definitely!
        He went abroad for a ride - he died for the national team, point
        And talk about the fact that "money decide", there is empty talk.
        Money kills, and they kill first of all conscience.
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          Roman Skomorokhov 20 February 2014 10: 00
          +1
          Quote: makst83
          Buy a brain for yourself, since you don’t understand humor or borrow, if possible.


          I’ve been watching this humor of yours for 4 years here. And the brain is useless to me, here it is superfluous.
        2. Orang
          Orang 20 February 2014 12: 35
          -1
          Quote: 123dv
          He went abroad for a ride - he died for the national team, point

          It hurts cool, bust. You need to look in each case.
        3. both s69
          both s69 20 February 2014 15: 20
          +1
          Quote: 123dv
          Money kills, and they kill first of all conscience

          A dignity worthy of granite printing !!!
          Very true and beautiful! good
    7. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 20 February 2014 09: 51
      +3
      Almost the whole country has given up on football players, and they don’t expect anything good from them recourse now they will give up on hockey, a repetition of Vancouver ... bitter, insulting and ... predictably. earlier there was the USSR national team, and now the millionaire team, one fan correctly said: we have three players as a whole team! BUT!!! we must not forget that now we are not a "superpower" and not an "empire", but simply a country, and our ambitions are not justified and excessive ... and three more gold medals won for us: an American, a Korean and a 15-year-old girl ... like this... sad
      1. rkkasa xnumx
        rkkasa xnumx 20 February 2014 16: 58
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        ... and three more gold medals won for us: an American, a Korean and a 15-year-old girl ... like that ...

        And 2 more gold medals were obtained largely thanks to Tatyana Volosozhar. Coach at Zubkov, Voivode - a foreigner. That is, our, Russian successes, the cat cried, alas ...
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    9. Fin
      Fin 20 February 2014 10: 19
      0
      Quote: Scandinavian
      then the finns were more united, the game on defense went well

      Everyone played against us from defense. We lost primarily tactically. For 3 years, everyone learned Belyaletdinov’s tactics: speed, onslaught, ind. skill, throw (if given), often with damage in defense. And so all 3 periods. Why not try to give the initiative in any period, to play on the counterattack? Most: 4 around the perimeter, the 5th on the patch prevents, there is a re-plowing. But what if the extreme attackers simultaneously start moving towards the meeting and change the attack flanks? It creates a slight confusion, and the defenders choose to whom to pass?
      In all games, they could not break into the defense, and still did not come up with anything.
    10. Stalnov I.P.
      Stalnov I.P. 20 February 2014 11: 30
      +1
      Correctly they do not care about this country, they worked well for Uncle Sam. We step back on that rake, already several Olympiads were blown by these shitty ENHEL members. Only those will play, who live and play in their country, then we will definitely achieve at least something.
    11. rolik
      rolik 20 February 2014 11: 37
      +3
      Quote: Scandinavian
      To be honest, the Finns were more united,

      For the Finns, all the links were even and played together, unlike ours. When these "stars" play in the NHL, half of them work for them (if there are two of them in the club), or the whole team (if there is only one). And here, having gathered in a heap, there were not enough servants for the numerous "stars", and they had already forgotten how to play for each other. At the very beginning of the Olympics, in my commentary, I already said that it is necessary to recreate an analogue of the CSK as it was during the Soviet era. This team was a real team, in the guise of a club. It is necessary to create such a team, the name is not difficult to come up with, and only then will the real results appear. There is no need to invite NHLers there. Our excellent hockey player, leaving for the west, ceases to be a Russian hockey player and adopts the western experience of the game. That is just throwing the puck into the opponent's zone. Remember how our hockey has always been different ??? This is a great combination game, the enemy's zone was entered due to high speed and accurate passes. It's all gone now. Now everyone is acting according to the stupid NHL standard. They threw in the puck and burst after it (and this requires speed, but it is not), and if the enemy picks it up first, the attack ends in nothing.
      Therefore, I repeat once again, we must return to the origins of our hockey. Moreover, the same Finns successfully adopted our Soviet experience, and with it they beat our team over and over again.
      1. both s69
        both s69 20 February 2014 15: 27
        +2
        Quote: rolik
        Our magnificent hockey player, leaving west, ceases to be a Russian hockey player and takes over the western experience of the game. What is it worth only throwing the puck into the enemy zone. Remember how our hockey has always been different ??? This is an excellent combination game, they entered the enemy zone due to high speed and accurate passes.

        Exactly! We value (often ineptly) the Canadian way of playing, but we forgot about our own, firm, high-speed combination, Soviet school of hockey, or rather, we are no longer able to do this. good
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    14. Andrey57
      Andrey57 20 February 2014 12: 07
      +1
      To be honest, the Finns were more united, the defense game went well and the shots on goal were not quantitative, but qualitative. In general, we need a new Tarasov and Stalin, so that in case of something, to cut down the forest in places not so remote ....


      First of all, we in the hockey team do not need millionaires from across the ocean! They do not know how to fight for their homeland and do not want to! They can only fight for the loot! Malkin won’s very worried about dandruff, and Ovechkin drags himself away from Coca-Cola, and the honor of the Motherland does not shake them, they don’t unfasten their loot, and their homeland is where the loot is across the ocean! Let them sit overseas. The Russian team should be taken only by those who fully played the season in the Russian Championship before the Miri Championship or the Olympic Games! Then we, the fans, at least will know that the team is chopped for Russia and did everything we could.
      1. rolik
        rolik 20 February 2014 13: 48
        +1
        Quote: Andrey57
        and the honor of the motherland does not shake them, for this the loot is not unfastened

        No, you said it from evil - I understand your chagrin. This is not the case; there is no teamwork in the team. She has nowhere to come from and will not be her with this approach. And the guys played for their homeland, just not such a team is needed to complete this task. We need a TEAM, and not a cluster of not played stars. Very big fault of the trainer. Bill saw everything and had to draw the appropriate conclusions. But no conclusions were drawn, hence the logical result.
      2. rkkasa xnumx
        rkkasa xnumx 20 February 2014 17: 25
        0
        Guys, doesn’t it seem strange to you that we are performing worse and worse at the Olympics? 1998-2 places, 2002-3, 2006-4, 2010-lost to the owners, Canadians in 1/4, 2014-at home, the Finns. But before the NHL-ev in the team was no less. See how often and how many Russian hockey players won the Stanley Cup in the 90s and early 2000s. And how rarely (not every season) and little by little (1-2 players) win now. See how many foreign players and coaches in the KHL. Therefore, the problem is much more serious than:
        Quote: Andrey57
        millionaires from across the ocean! They do not know how to fight for their homeland and do not want to! They can only fight for the loot! Malkin won’s very worried about dandruff, and Ovechkin drags himself away from Coca-Cola, and the honor of the Motherland does not shake them, they don’t unfasten their loot, and their homeland is where the loot is across the ocean! Let them sit overseas. The Russian team should be taken only by those who fully played the season in the Russian Championship before the Miri Championship or the Olympic Games! Then we, the fans, at least will know that the team is chopped for Russia and did everything we could.
    15. Ustas
      Ustas 20 February 2014 15: 14
      +1
      Quote: Scandinavian
      we need a new Tarasov and Stalin,

      Looking at what is happening in Ukraine, Stalin would now be right in time. And then we all just lost fear.
    16. Cherdak
      Cherdak 20 February 2014 17: 06
      0
      Quote: Scandinavian
      In general, we need a new Tarasov and Stalin,



      Resolution I.V. Stalin on a report on a hockey match: "If you don’t take the gold, you’ll go to mine it"
    17. alone
      alone 20 February 2014 20: 19
      +1
      Quote: Scandinavian
      In general, we need a new Tarasov and Stalin,

      Well, about Tarasov, it’s understandable. Such people are born once in a hundred years.

      For me, Russian hockey players stopped playing that hockey of the Soviet school. For a long time, the hockey that I remember in the time of Tikhonov is no longer visible.

      let's be honest. Yesterday Latvia looked much better than the Russian national team. They gave a real fight to the Canadians.
    18. dark_65
      dark_65 20 February 2014 23: 26
      0
      You are all angry at hockey players, but everything is simple, that they and football players are given "wrong" balls, and pucks, well, they cannot adapt to them, .. because abroad the system of education in relation to them is in rubles (or in dollars). .a we try to put pressure on the conscience, but they have a clean, they do not use it.
    19. vjhbc
      vjhbc 21 February 2014 03: 10
      0
      tell me nah-why do you need professional sports, why do people need to make race horses and fighting dogs stop it already
      Quote: Scandinavian
      To be honest, the Finns were more united, the defense game went well and the shots on goal were not quantitative, but qualitative. In general, we need a new Tarasov and Stalin, so that in case of something, to cut down the forest in places not so remote ....
  2. saag
    saag 20 February 2014 07: 27
    +2
    First of all, preparation for the Olympics consisted in mastering the construction budget so that the IOC gentlemen liked everything and succeeded, but sports work was generally seen in third place, business interests dominate in the country, and so it is in every area and it’s huge a place. Gazprom’s problems in Europe begin a little different.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 20 February 2014 08: 59
      +4
      IMHO: headins instead of brains.

      What is the relationship between building a stadium and training players? Or do you think this is the same thing? So who is there to blame? Coaches building stadiums or builders preparing players?

      "Sometimes it is better to chew than to speak" (c).
      1. dmb
        dmb 20 February 2014 09: 55
        +2
        Roman, you manage to write completely opposite comments to one article. Is training an athlete on the ice of Lake Krugloye and on the sports arena equally effective? So the construction of the stadium still has something to do with the preparation of the player. Another question is that if more money is spent on finishing the VIP box than on preparing the entire team, then the result will be appropriate. Our team played as best they could. She will not be able to play differently, because the priority is not the honor of the country, but the loot. After all, it was not Bibaletdinov who determined the timing of arrival in the national team for NHLovtsy, but their employers. The victories of the USSR national team were built on a completely different principle, which does not work in the conditions of a gathering of “stars”. Actually, it is not the defeat that annoys so much as the hype that preceded it, and which will follow. Victory has many fathers (and first of all, United Russia, ONF and Zhirinovsky, but defeat is an orphan.
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    3. Gennady1973
      Gennady1973 20 February 2014 11: 53
      0
      saag agree with you! and I still want to add ... master-appropriate! some share! where are these "looking" behind the construction site now ??? bad that is not behind bars .....
  3. Hleb
    Hleb 20 February 2014 07: 27
    +9
    Listen, here’s the same question again - what do the Spaniards in football, Italians, Germans .... get less money from? Hockey players from other countries have an advantage in training? Are they going to the tournament before? No, we have just the time there were more
    1. Denis
      Denis 20 February 2014 07: 54
      +40
      Quote: Gleb
      Listen, here’s the same question again - what do the Spaniards in football, Italians, Germans .... get less money from? Hockey players from other countries have an advantage in training? Are they going to the tournament before? No, we have just the time there were more
      1. 123dv
        123dv 20 February 2014 09: 11
        +1
        It feels like cats cheated!...
        And at my place, guys of cats regretted it. They said - what do cats have to do with it! ...
        And then, really ...
  4. Andrey78
    Andrey78 20 February 2014 07: 29
    +6
    Well, as usual Putin is to blame wink
    1. saag
      saag 20 February 2014 07: 32
      +3
      And who started this Olympiad? The initiative should be punishable :-)
      1. atalef
        atalef 20 February 2014 08: 03
        +11
        Quote: saag
        And who started this Olympiad? The initiative should be punishable :-)

        Perhaps the Greeks are to blame wassat
    2. alex-s
      alex-s 20 February 2014 08: 47
      +6
      Or can Finland be returned back?
      1. bagel
        bagel 20 February 2014 09: 20
        0
        Don't do it!
        1. atalef
          atalef 20 February 2014 15: 46
          0
          Quote: alex-s


          Or can Finland be returned back?


          Quote: Bagel
          Don't do it!


          Are you finn?
    3. Normal
      Normal 20 February 2014 09: 13
      +1
      Quote: Andrey78
      Well, as usual Putin is to blame


      Well of course he’s not to blame for anything.
      The players who were selected and prepared by the coach are to blame. The coach is to blame for his model of the game.
      But Putin, who "begged" Bilyaletdinov to lead the national team (Prokhorov to lead the biathlon, Plushenko to go to the Olympic Games), of course, is in nothing.
      We will still hear from him, “that everything is fine,” “life goes on,” “we have to work on,” and that one should not ask anyone for failures, because the one who does nothing is not mistaken.
      1. Fin
        Fin 20 February 2014 11: 34
        -2
        Quote: Normal
        But Putin, who "begged" Bilyaletdinov to lead the national team (Prokhorov to lead the biathlon, Plushenko to go to the Olympic Games), of course, is in nothing.

        Directly begging personally? Wow, but the guys don’t know who is to blame! And also at us Julia fell, and GDP stroked her head ... laughing
        1. rolik
          rolik 20 February 2014 11: 40
          -2
          Quote: Fin
          But Putin, who "begged" Bilyaletdinov to lead the national team (P

          The nonsense is certainly complete, but it is present. The same as Dotsuk’s delirium when he said: Goalkeepers became dimensional and it became difficult to get into the goal wassat
          I did not expect to hear such idiocy from the "star". Is this a kind of excuse for losing ??? Go Dotsuk, knit socks if you can't play nihuha. This once again confirms my idea that our hockey player, leaving to play to the west, becomes dull.
          1. brainkiller
            brainkiller 20 February 2014 13: 02
            +1
            Quote: rolik
            Go Dotsuk, knit socks, if you do not know how to play them.
            knit yourself! scarecrow! And do not touch Pasha. He really dragged in the game and fought.
            1. rolik
              rolik 20 February 2014 13: 37
              -1
              Quote: brainkiller
              knit yourself! scarecrow!

              Remember the guano. Datsuk personally said these words in front of the cameras, so show him for his expressions.
              I hope everyone remembers the words of Arshavin ???? So, we must not seek excuses for our losses. Everything is always in your hands, justification is the lot of losers. So the trainer taught me (I was engaged in boxing for 10 years). Memorize this postulate, sucker.
              1. brainkiller
                brainkiller 20 February 2014 13: 50
                +1
                Guano in your head once you judge an athlete not by deeds, but according to him, and after the defeat. He did not make excuses to you, but pointed to the cause of the defeat.
                Remember the guano.
                Memorize this postulate, sucker.
                I guessed right away with the definition - it’s a stuffed animal =) Get rid of yourself and mock at the defeats of the athletes of your country only by tyrnet-scum, worthless in real life.
                engaged in boxing 10 years

                However, if it’s really 10 years on the head, it’s forgiven.
                1. rolik
                  rolik 20 February 2014 14: 03
                  0
                  Quote: brainkiller
                  However, if it’s really 10 years on the head, it’s forgiven.

                  Well then, of course, they didn’t beat you. You're probably a cool computer fighter. I understand you, it’s scary and annoying on the street. Whether it’s the matter of fighting on the Internet))) Yes, and Mom will bring the booter on time. And how do you go for a walk with a girl ??? Suddenly the hooligans pester ??? Can she protect you ??? )))))))
                  And about the words of Dotsuk, it is better to remain silent than to talk nonsense.
                  1. brainkiller
                    brainkiller 20 February 2014 14: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: rolik
                    better to keep silent than to talk nonsense.
                    fortunately, you have not adopted this axiom yourself =)))

                    But I like the improved version more: "It is better to remain silent and seem like an idiot than to say and dispel doubts!" © In your case, judging by the last post, it fits better.
              2. Normal
                Normal 20 February 2014 13: 51
                0
                Quote: rolik
                (engaged in boxing for 10 years)

                It is visible - your brains were beaten off, if you had them at all.
                1. rolik
                  rolik 20 February 2014 14: 07
                  0
                  Quote: Normal
                  It is visible - your brains were beaten off, if you had them at all.

                  Well, first of all, I didn't switch to "YOU" with you. You can't work at my job without brains, unlike yours. And judging by the comment, your activity does not differ with special intellectuality. If you start poking a stranger. Although what surprise, based on what you said, your ceiling is four classes and the rest is a school corridor.
                  1. Normal
                    Normal 20 February 2014 14: 34
                    +1
                    Quote: rolik
                    Well, first of all, on "YOU"

                    Quote: rolik
                    Go Dotsuk, knit socks, if you do not know how to play them.


                    Well with Datsyuk you are of course on "YOU"? And with brainkiller too?

                    Quote: rolik
                    Remember guano ... present ... Memorize this postulate, sucker.

                    Rudeness is not a sign of mind, which is written to you.
                    You have already demonstrated your intelligence.
                    Their knowledge of hockey - too.
                    If for you the best player of our national team "nihuha" does not know how, then your
                    Your ceiling is four classes and the rest is a school corridor
                    there is a recognition of my mental superiority, because you don’t pull into four classes, you’re brainy ...
                    1. rolik
                      rolik 20 February 2014 22: 40
                      0
                      Quote: Normal
                      Well with Datsyuk you are of course on "YOU"? And with brainkiller too?

                      Naturally not)))) neither with Datsuk, nor with this .... man-brainkiller (that's for sure brainwashing))))) is not familiar. And that doesn’t change anything. For my own happiness (unlike you), I saw how the USSR team played. And I have something to compare with (unlike you). You then, go, already under EBN did grow very similar. I sympathize, sympathize.
                      Moreover, no truly normal person will take the nickname "Normal". This is probably the children's complexes have grown up and gave such wild shoots. Once again I sympathize.
                      Quote: Normal
                      Rudeness is not a sign of mind, which is written to you.

                      Well, you started to be rude with your partaigenosse "brainwave".
                      Quote: Normal
                      If for you the best player of our national team doesn't know how,

                      The best player of this team. Since I understand that you never saw the USSR national team. Once again, condolences.
                      Quote: Normal
                      brainy you are our ... boxer

                      Well, if your tanks once (or maybe recently) were cleaned by a boxing person, such a nervous reaction to this sport is understandable))))) Well, you, most likely, are related to sports only when you sit in a sports bar with a mug of beer and thus you join the sport)))) And such "deep" knowledge of sports you have from there. Well, yes, well, yes, a real alcoholman, a master of litroball.
  5. Per se.
    Per se. 20 February 2014 07: 31
    +22
    Yes, what can I say - it’s a shame for the POWER! There was the Soviet Union, there was SOVIET hockey, and now there is a bunch of mercenaries who jumped in to shove into hockey, living in the interests of others overseas games. It is necessary to refuse the services of these migratory birds, the Finns earlier refused the NHLers, went overseas, - play for the loot at the Stanley Cup, their players must play for the country, without dual citizenship and double bottom in the interests.
    1. AnaBat
      AnaBat 20 February 2014 09: 09
      +7
      At the next Olympics NHL do not take! Send juniors, let them study!
  6. misljachii
    misljachii 20 February 2014 07: 32
    +1
    I didn’t expect this from our ..... it’s very disappointing, we didn’t get it somewhere, didn’t play well ..... really relaxed, think of the Finns, not the USA and Canada, you can not give all your best to 100 .... they’ve blown it off .. ..scots
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 20 February 2014 07: 34
      +6
      Finns recently very much! they are stable in prize-winners. There was no underestimation
    2. CALL.
      CALL. 20 February 2014 08: 49
      +1
      Quote: misljachii
      really relaxed, you think the Finns, not the usa and canada, you can not give all the best to 100 .... that’s

      There was no underestimation, that's for sure. “The Finns really liked the Olympics. They have a style similar to Canadian. Guys do not ride. The Finns have a character. For us it will be a difficult test. Their ambitions are sufficient. An inconvenient rival for us is 100%. The match will be tense, ”said two-time Olympic champion Vyacheslav Fetisov in an interview with R-Sport
  7. kamis51
    kamis51 20 February 2014 07: 32
    +12
    I agree with the article by 200%, honor and conscience is now an unpopular thing ...
  8. parus2nik
    parus2nik 20 February 2014 07: 33
    +9
    Match: Russia-Finland
    Nooo, we don’t need such hockey!
  9. Horde
    Horde 20 February 2014 07: 35
    +8
    Oh, the Olympics, the Olympics have been waiting, waiting, have you come to shame? SHAME SO. And it will go on. Is the author talking about naturalization? Yes, probably this was the way out of the country when the Brazilians will play in the football team, in these shorttracks Koreans and Chinese, in freestyle all sorts of Americans, but what about ours? Russians? Biathlon- abandoned the Izhevsk rifle and that the German shoot better? I think ALL THIS WAS PLANNED. Sport for the TITLE nation is becoming a burdensome way of life, giving the child to the section needs money, and our people cannot make ends meet. Here you have a HOLIDAY! Have a holiday for strangers ...
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 20 February 2014 09: 10
      +6
      Quote: Horde
      Have a holiday for strangers ...

      At the "home" Olympiad not to win a single serious match (I apologize to the Norwegians). Yesterday half a bucket of nerves - our hockey and half a bucket - Kiev. A celebration of life, damn it. Honest pioneer, I won't watch hockey anymore, health is more expensive.
    2. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 20 February 2014 09: 11
      +8
      Quote: Horde
      Biathlon- abandoned the Izhevsk rifle and that the German shoot better?


      It's not a rifle that shoots. She still needs a man. And, starting this year, it is planned to switch to our "Bi-7-4", which is better than "Anshutz".

      Quote: Horde
      to send the child to the section needs money, but our people do not make ends meet.


      Come on you. There are traffic jams in cities, all yards are full of cars, we all live poorly. Turkey and the Egyptians speak in a voice about the growing tourist flow, but we all live poorly. Enough, right. Who wants his child to go in for sports will do everything for this. To the detriment of ebiptam, cypress and other crap.

      Personally, on my own: I won’t go anywhere this year, but I bought a good rifle for my child. Cost is commensurate with ten-day schnichany in Antalya. But she took third place in the regional youth shooting tournament. She's well done, well, I, too, at the checkout))).

      Who wants to do business is looking for ways. Who does not want is looking for reasons. And wait until something is brought on a silver platter and put in your mouth ... this is set for weaklings and Internet warriors.
      1. invisibility
        invisibility 20 February 2014 10: 20
        +2
        Quote: Banshee
        Come on you.

        You again shift from a sick head to a healthy one. And here is the number of cars?
        Do you offer children's sports to shift to the shoulders of parents and families?
        Quote: Banshee
        Who wants his child to go in for sports - will do everything for this

        What all? Find an enthusiastic coach? Organizes children's sports sections and camps?
        And in the end, how many cities are there? Is this what I do for peasant children? Or are they all drunks and parasites?
        Sochi built, cheers! Olympics, cheers! And where will the talent come from? Not even that! How to bring up these talents? A sport of excellence, this is the ultimate station. The beginning is a massive (!) Children's sport!
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      3. Horde
        Horde 20 February 2014 17: 04
        0
        Quote: Banshee
        It's not a rifle that shoots. She still needs a man. And, starting this year, it is planned to switch to our "Bi-7-4", which is better than "Anshutz".


        Well then, why exactly German? since it is no better, is it planned to mean? Mig35 is also planned not planned ...


        http://news.sportbox.ru/Vidy_sporta/Events/Sochi2014/spbvideo_NI433572_Aleksandr
        -Tihonov-Rossiyskiy-biatlon-prevratilsya-vy


        okay to you. There are traffic jams in cities, all yards are full of cars, we all live poorly. Turkey and the Egyptians speak in a voice about the growing tourist flow, but we all live poorly. Enough, right. Who wants his child to go in for sports will do everything for this. To the detriment of ebiptam, cypress and other crap.

        So here they are sobering with fuel? but according to the Egyptians, not everyone roam, but
        most of them are at home, take a look at the interview of Tikhonov biathlete, where he says what people have brought Putin to biathlon, I think hockey
  10. Cyril7377
    Cyril7377 20 February 2014 07: 35
    +13
    If we talk about hockey, then there are a lot of problems, and it is impossible to 100% AGREE WITH THE AUTHOR THAT IT IS NECESSARY TO COMPLETE A TEAM FROM "OWN" ones. We saw the attempts of the coach on European tours to play such a team, nothing worked, and it will not work out like that in the KHL in the first fives, not ours, but legionnaires play the leading positions ... but in general, everything is much deeper and the problems begin with children's teams, already there is corruption, mediocrity is already there for dad's money playing in the first fives and talents in the third, fourth ...
    1. stayer
      stayer 20 February 2014 08: 32
      +2
      Quote: Cyril7377
      If we talk about hockey, then there are a lot of problems, and it is impossible to 100% AGREE WITH THE AUTHOR THAT IT IS NECESSARY TO COMPLETE A TEAM FROM "OWN" ones. We saw the attempts of the Eurotour coach to play such a team, nothing happened.

      No, I disagree here. It's just the same reason as with NHLers. They recruit a team on the principle "you are a good player, your place in the team"
      But the player is not alone playing. We must completely take the three forwards and the pairs of defenders played. And general, joint training.
      And just to collect KHL players and force them to play, duck is the same as we now see.
  11. fight
    fight 20 February 2014 07: 37
    -5
    I go to work in the morning, and all 100% are depressed. Did these gamblers have the right to take on such responsibility knowing that they would let the whole country down? My suggestion is this- count them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 08: 00
      +3
      Quote: luta
      My suggestion is this- count them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      And will you play hockey at the World Cup? Or so patriotic that the brain completely beats off.
      1. atalef
        atalef 20 February 2014 08: 04
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: luta
        My suggestion is this- count them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        And will you play hockey at the World Cup? Or so patriotic that the brain completely beats off.

        Yes, with a stake in the ass you can’t play much
        1. demel2
          demel2 20 February 2014 09: 12
          +5
          Quote: atalef
          Yes, with a stake in the ass you can’t play much

          Well, without a stake in the ass, too, did not play much.
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 20 February 2014 08: 39
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And will you play hockey at the World Cup?

        Pawns, horses, officers, queens .. Sasha hello, hi !
        1. alex-s
          alex-s 20 February 2014 08: 51
          +1
          Something with the pawns, horses, officers, queens lately - it’s bad! recourse
      3. demel2
        demel2 20 February 2014 09: 16
        +2
        The World Cup is held every year, and the Olympiad in the country is once in a lifetime, and it was possible to get together and play. Or are you not so patriotic that the World Cup is more important than the home Olympiad?
        1. avant-garde
          avant-garde 20 February 2014 09: 24
          0
          Quote: demel2
          is the world championship more important than the home olympiad?

          I agree. There is another such small but very significant nuance, the best of the best play at the OI, which is shown by the level of our team, and the World Cup is mainly played by players from the KHL, but the guys are young, and even those who did not get into the NHL in software!
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 20 February 2014 08: 37
      +5
      Quote: luta
      I go to work in the morning, and all 100% are depressed.

      With a hangover or what?
      Quote: luta
      Did these gamblers have the right to take on such responsibility knowing that they would let the whole country down?

      And who would take it, responsibility, the chess team or rhythmic gymnastics?
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 20 February 2014 09: 19
        +4
        Quote: Tersky
        And who would take it


        Who is it? Putin, who else? He started everything. He must take responsibility. For oblique and constantly falling biathletes, for calico hockey players. I would have recovered from him for a rifle broken by an ass. Subtracted salaries.

        My God, what is the site turning into ... Your screams "To the stake, to the Kolyma" are already nauseous. All quackers understand perfectly well that they are talking nonsense, but they continue to do it recklessly and with a twinkle. Are the plus signs more important than a reasonable approach?

        Your energy would be used, but for peaceful purposes - all the gold of the RP would be ours if it could be transferred to the players. But alas, the medals go to the strongest, the screams continue to show the highest level of "paerotizm", but the load remains the same.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 20 February 2014 13: 57
      0
      Yes, where does our hockey players, if there is no team? Well, at least they recruited a team from the last World Cup. Something already.
    4. The comment was deleted.
  12. Gardamir
    Gardamir 20 February 2014 07: 43
    +11
    With that which is disgusting, I agree with the author one hundred percent. But the red car was Soviet-made. And this invalid is co-production. I remember from the time of the 90s, the Russian Nkhlovites came and successfully lost. But it’s not just about sports. It is allowed for domestic pilots to accept foreigners. That is, a Dutch drug addict, a German alcoholic and a French unemployed will be better than Russian pilots. The same is true in sports. After the German national team began to train the Russian biathlon, our girls began to lose all the competitions. About football. How many millions have visited visiting coaches? Likewise, hockey players, who will be long-awaited, will never play with their hearts for the Russian national team. The bottom line is that the Russians have been telling us worthless people for a long time, he’ll teach someone else to come ...
    1. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 20 February 2014 08: 21
      +2
      Gardamir Today, 07: 43
      "... After the Russian national biathlon team was coached by a German ..., ... About football. How many millions were paid to visiting coaches? ..."


      At the Olympics, our team (the whole), if I remember correctly, 57 coaches of foreigners.

      Isn’t it fucked up?
    2. demel2
      demel2 20 February 2014 09: 18
      +1
      But have men in biathlon won a lot with our coaches?
  13. Imperial
    Imperial 20 February 2014 07: 45
    +23
    I don’t want to write anything about the national team, about the game, but I’ll just write how I felt. I think that I’m not the only one. Those who swarmed in the USSR know that hockey is more than a game for us. So yesterday there was a feeling., Well, I don’t know how to say it, in general, it was as if my heart had been torn out.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 20 February 2014 09: 27
      +4
      Quote: Imperial
      in general, as if the heart was torn out.


      You are not tempered. We must train! I already received the "armor" back in 2002. Let me remind you:

      Salt Lake, 2002 g. 1 / 2 finals. Russia - USA - 2-3
      Turin, 2006 g. 1 / 2 finals. Russia - Finland - 0-4
      Vancouver, 2010 g. 1 / 4 finals. Russia - Canada - 3-7
      Sochi, 2014, 1 / 4 finals. Russia - Finland - 1-3

      As if everything is natural. And in Korea, apparently, we will not leave the group. And, no, everyone is leaving the group now. Well, that means we won’t get into the group tournament. Somehow, this all goes.
      1. Toporkoff
        Toporkoff 20 February 2014 09: 54
        +2
        Quote: Banshee
        As if everything is natural. And in Korea, apparently, we will not leave the group. And, no, everyone is leaving the group now. Well, that means we won’t get into the group tournament. Somehow, this all goes.

        In Korea, we will do the right thing - we will lose all the games of the group so as not to get tired, and we will come to the finale fresh and slept))
  14. vlad52-t
    vlad52-t 20 February 2014 07: 50
    +1
    I completely agree with the author. Bet on the NHL stars does not roll, they have no motivation. They live there, they earn big dibs, which they are up to Russia. Each for himself, they think how to hold out longer in the NHL. Money is to blame. True patriots are few.
  15. PValery53
    PValery53 20 February 2014 07: 51
    +4
    Well, our team understood the installation of the game from the president of the Russian Hockey Federation CORRECTLY and performed it! Now we need to begin a new cycle of preparation for the next Olympics with a NEW team of players, a NEW head coach and a NEW President of the Ice Hockey Federation. And to forget the OLD audience as a nightmare. And playing a team of only players from the domestic championship of Russia. We do not need non-combination hockey.
  16. Hleb
    Hleb 20 February 2014 07: 53
    +18
    Thank you Pasha for hockey!
  17. igorra
    igorra 20 February 2014 07: 55
    -1
    Say what you like, but they are snickering, well, a millionaire will not ruin his health for the abstract concept of "Motherland" and they have us. Who will deserve to finally say this in their well-fed muzzles or not? The whole country was waiting for this particular medal. As a result, it turns out, where there is more money, there is no result (biathlon too). Some emotions and I want not to swear, but just to speak foul language, these will look into our eyes, perhaps give interviews, perhaps apologize, and in their eyes they will click like in a slot machine bucks, euros can be rubles. It is necessary to drive them with a runny broom from our hockey. First I will sign up if there is any poll. Looks like Tretyak understood these so-called hockey players a long time ago and said that the loss to the national team is not a disaster, that then for you the famous goalkeeper it is a disaster. ... And then the words ended, there was a mat ..................
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 February 2014 08: 08
      +2
      I agree. After the first match it was clear. how it all ends. The NHL winners won the last minute and saved their strength, as it turned out in order to quickly dump the Olympics into their NHL.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 08: 11
        0
        Quote: Gardamir
        , as it turned out in order to quickly get out of the Olympics in your NHL.

        You are a good patriot when Ovechkin and Datsuk were scored, you probably screamed, well done. And you lost, so you are ready to pour a bunch of shit on them.
        1. igorra
          igorra 20 February 2014 08: 22
          +2
          What they scored, remind us, and we did not scream, but we gnashed our teeth at such a game.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 08: 37
            +1
            Quote: igorra
            What they scored remind

            What memory is short?
            Quote: igorra
            and we did not yell

            Well, yes, you were sad when our goals scored.
            1. igorra
              igorra 20 February 2014 09: 03
              +4
              Looks like you didn’t play hockey yourself, and anywhere. In my opinion it’s not hockey but figure skating or ballet, remember how many times they really chopped, enough fingers on one hand, the guys in the yard box fight harder. Well, there is no readiness in their eyes to die for their homeland !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 09: 11
                +1
                Quote: igorra
                remember how many times they really chopped

                2008,2009,2012 is the World Cup gold, and those who you now water with the swill have won.
                Quote: igorra
                the boys in the yard box fight steeper. Well, there’s no readiness in their eyes to die for their homeland !!!!

                Then go and play better.
                1. igorra
                  igorra 20 February 2014 09: 49
                  +1
                  From the first match, the people realized what kind of team had arrived and from the first match they sent comments about the team’s game. And in the game I’ll say: I had to somehow play with the team really above the class, we were rolled out like a turtle to God. And tell us that our class is lower than that of the Finns and others like them. And the people poured slop for the unwillingness to chop on ice without looking at their faces. There are cool players separately, but there is no team and no man was found, who honestly said: I’m not ready to chop for the country, we arrived, they are disgraced and okay.
        2. avant-garde
          avant-garde 20 February 2014 08: 27
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          You are a good patriot when Ovechkin and Datsuk were scored, you probably screamed, well done. And you lost, so you are ready to pour a bunch of shit on them.

          Here, such a thing turns out after crap (and you won’t call it anything else) in Vancouver, we had 4 years, even the KHL championship was redrawn for the sake of the team, they removed Bill from AK Bars, so that he only thought about the team, they gave him the resource all kinds of, participated in any eurodury for the sake of the national team to the detriment of the regular KHL championship, 4 years have passed and so what? The result is again we are COLIDLY liquid, so according to this, let these comrades, starting from the Tretyak, also get their portion of shit from the fans, the boomerang effect!
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 20 February 2014 08: 32
            0
            well, let the Tretyak and the Federation get it. Sanya wrote about Datsyuk and Ovechkin so
            1. avant-garde
              avant-garde 20 February 2014 08: 42
              +8
              What did Ovi do? I scored one puck! Three people played with the whole team: Datsuk, Radulov and Bobrovsky, Kovi was still floundering !!! The rest of the tourists arrived !!!
              1. Hleb
                Hleb 20 February 2014 08: 59
                +2
                I don’t even want to disassemble everyone’s game, I don’t want to remember Radulov’s deletion, I want to recall these words and just imagine what you would say if you won yesterday, for example, with a score of 1-0
                1. avant-garde
                  avant-garde 20 February 2014 09: 10
                  +3
                  And why this post? It says if tactics will bear fruit! Did she bring them? Bill, the stubborn Tatar, didn’t show any plasticity that the game wasn’t playing at Malkin’s level, that Ovi was superfluous, he saw that we lose all the face-offs, while Sanya Svitov was in reserve, he saw that the game was going on with Bobrovsky, well, he stubbornly put Varlamov, he I saw that without connecting the defenders it’s practically impossible to score, he saw that the game of kickback does not produce results, he saw that the majority links do not work and did nothing! All our players ran and tried to do something on their own; all the mistakes of the coach !!! This is the difference between our coaches and our western ones; they do not know how to change the game along the way and stubbornly play as they played in training!
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 09: 14
                    +3
                    Quote: avant-garde
                    And why this post?

                    To you! And to everyone else who is now spitting on the players.
                    1. avant-garde
                      avant-garde 20 February 2014 09: 26
                      +2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      everyone else who spits on players now

                      That is, you think that they can spit, and on the kind that was sitting by the TV with tears in their eyes should kiss them in the opera ??? Well, no, they had 4 years to assemble a team for this, it’s not necessary to write nonsense about not teamwork here, everyone generally played from the worksheet and arrived two days before the start of hockey at the Olympic Games, and ours trained in Kazan for a month!
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 09: 29
                        -3
                        Quote: avant-garde
                        That is, you think that they can spit, and on the kind that was sitting by the TV with tears in their eyes should kiss them in the opera ??? N

                        Enough to carry nonsense already, they poked you in your own koment, so I congratulate you.
                        Now what is written from you sounds like an excuse for your words from the above comment.
                      2. avant-garde
                        avant-garde 20 February 2014 09: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Enough to carry nonsense already

                        I urge you to this for a long time! By read my post with Kozhevnikov and compare it with mine written earlier!
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 20 February 2014 08: 45
        +5
        Arshavin advertised the songs, it seems, Plushenko is snickers, Ovechkin is some kind of shaving aid. I don’t remember anything else about them. Well, yes, Arshavin said that their losses are our problems. And the patriot is the one who gives his soul for his homeland.
  18. Shurale
    Shurale 20 February 2014 08: 23
    +2
    I think that there is an ordinary lack of play, so the NHL must be abandoned.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 20 February 2014 08: 28
      +11
      here do not want to think about teamwork?
      Finland national team:

      Goalkeepers: Antti Niemi (San Jose), Kari Lehtonen (Dallas), Tuukka Rask (Boston).

      Defenders: Olli Määtä (Pittsburgh), Ossi Väänänen (Jokerit), Lasse Kukkonen (Karpät), Sami Salo (Tampa Bay), Sami Lepisto (Avtomobilist), Juuso Hietanen (Torpedo) ), Kimmo Timonen (“Philadelphia”), Sami Vatanen (“Anaheim”).

      Forwards: Teemu Selanne (Anaheim), Mikko Koivu (Minnesota), Olli Jokinen (Winnipeg), Tuomo Ruutu (Carolina), Alexander Barkov (Florida), Yori Lehtera (Siberia), Petri Kontiola (Traktor), Lauri Korpikoski (Phoenix), Jussi Jokinen (Pittsburgh), Antti Pilstrem (Salavat Yulaev), Juhamatti Aaltonen (Karpät), Valtteri Filppula (Tampa Bay) , Mikael Granlund (Minnesota), Leo Komarov (Dynamo Moscow).
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 08: 38
      -3
      Quote: Shurale
      I think that there is an ordinary lack of play, so the NHL must be abandoned.

      And when the same from the NHL won the World Cup, what opinion did you have?
      1. demel2
        demel2 20 February 2014 09: 34
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And when the same from the NHL won the World Cup, what opinion did you have?

        Yes. What are you rushing about with the World Cup, the World Cup is held every year, and once in your life, at home, do you feel the difference in significance?
      2. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 20 February 2014 09: 35
        -3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And when the same from the NHL won the World Cup, what opinion did you have?


        What could they have? They ate beer and yelled "maladtsy" ...

        In general, I wonder, really, how many of these "experts" will be able to get up on skates and hit the puck? On the move? Suns, a computer game and real life are different things, alas ...

        No, I already cut down how many experts. To collect everyone, and to the helm, in the national team. As an experiment. And in the case of a drain, as there above - a stake in the ass, and with a stake in Kolyma for gold.

        Starring and tossing bags are two different things, gentlemen, Internet experts.
        1. demel2
          demel2 20 February 2014 10: 15
          +1
          I am not an expert in hockey, but I relate to my work, don’t think that I’m whipping professionally enough, as I hope you too, I think that the same hockey players and other athletes are unlikely to have done my job better than I. Therefore, since they took up their work so let them treat it professionally. I hope you understand what I mean?
        2. Gur
          Gur 20 February 2014 13: 07
          +2
          Well, where do we go, we would be in everything, in politics we are the same "experts" in hockey, too, so why are we talking here at all, lined up in a row, smiling and waving, mlyn to everything, so what? Serdyukov was breaking up the army, so here some were screaming that we didn't fucking understand, what the hell is going on in the country, understand why we shouldn't be staring again, but we are not experts, but we are people and we want us and our children against the background of that shit that all over the world about us about the Russians at least something proud, and not only the splendor of the Olympics. And then one m la with a broken back went, then came to his senses did not want to be disabled (honor and praise Plushenko for past merits, but why did you poke a designer at such competitions?), In others, innate politeness did not allow throwing washers, they passed in front of the gate to each other until the puck was taken away. And on television there is so much PR that, in my opinion, the poor girl's legs could not withstand such a load. Why is he boasting about going to the army? The athletes would be allowed to perform calmly, and then they would have kissed them. So, of course, we are not "experts", we are penguins who smile and wave.
    3. CALL.
      CALL. 20 February 2014 09: 27
      +3
      Quote: Shurale
      I think that there is an ordinary lack of play, so the NHL must be abandoned.

      All teams were in the same conditions. Only some played, while others did not.
  19. CALL.
    CALL. 20 February 2014 10: 07
    +3
    Quote: igorra
    Looks like the Tretyak has long understood these so-called hockey players and said that losing the team is not a disaster

    Tretyak said that all conditions were created for the team before the Olympics. “Do you need to hold the First Channel Cup on Olympic ice, get used to the Bolshoi Palace? We are all organized. The Russian Hockey Federation, our entire country did everything for the national team that they could. Fees, tournaments, pause for training. They closed all the problems, spared nothing of what could ensure success, ”Tretyak summed up. Http://www.aif.ru/olymp2014/olympnews/1109192
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 20 February 2014 07: 57
    +9
    from the Don.
    Well, why sprinkle ash on your head? The fact that the team is not ready, heavy, was visible in the first game. You need to give way to young people. Hockey became faster. And ours practically stood. Radulov liked the most! Well done, man! He gave all his best.
    Well, not ours was a day. Wait, your mother !!!
  • vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 20 February 2014 07: 58
    +5
    I agree with the article, you just need to add - if you became a star in Russia, then a ban on foreign contracts for five years.
    1. Cyril7377
      Cyril7377 20 February 2014 08: 16
      +3
      they will run away, there is experience, there is someone to learn from ... Kharlamov refused to go play for dollars, and our young people will explode so that ... -)))
  • calocha
    calocha 20 February 2014 07: 59
    +4
    You need to cost yard courts! Make the inventory available. Best at school. Hockey (football, biathlon) clubs Large organizations must develop sports in the region, or else they buy clubs over the hill, and under the nose - devastation! Let Gazprom stir, shell out! Again good food should be everywhere, and around products of unknown origin ....
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 20 February 2014 08: 27
      +4
      Quote: calocha
      calocha (2) RU Today, 07:59 AM New

      Need to cost yard areas

      Recently I wrote that 20 years ago in Ryazan there were hockey courts in the yards, now they are gone. Without mass sport and real state support, we won’t see Olympic champions.
      Again, the other day, they showed a film about how future champions are raised in China. They already have someone to choose from. I am sure China is already a sports nation, what will happen when their Olympic reserve grows?
      Sport, there is sport. There are ups and downs. Sometimes, you just need luck. But, it’s sad that in sports where ours were the first, now ....
      1. alex-s
        alex-s 20 February 2014 09: 03
        +3
        Recently I wrote that 20 years ago in Ryazan there were hockey courts in the yards, now they are gone. Without mass sport and real support of the state of the Olympic champions we cannot see

        I grew up in a small town. In almost every big yard we had a hockey box! Not to mention schools! And they were all crammed with hockey boys! And now..... sad
        1. demel2
          demel2 20 February 2014 09: 55
          +1
          Quote: alex-s
          I grew up in a small town. In almost every big yard we had a hockey box! Not to mention schools! And they were all crammed with hockey boys! And now

          I also grew up in a small town, but we had a box of uncut boards and a soccer field on a hill mound and they were packed with children, he disappeared there, and now there is such a sports ground near the same school where I studied that it takes envy However, the guys there are much smaller, maybe because the interests are different, and maybe because the guys have become smaller. But I repeat, the sports ground is envious. I think if the hockey team won, and not only won more often, it might have been more guys?
          1. calocha
            calocha 20 February 2014 10: 31
            +1
            The development of SPORT can only become MASSIVE if the STATE does this!
      2. calocha
        calocha 20 February 2014 09: 09
        +1
        Sports is a litmus test of society! In a healthy society, there are regular victories, but now everything is on its own everywhere. The invisible hand of the Market will regulate everything ....
      3. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 20 February 2014 09: 40
        0
        ABOUT!!! My respect to you, dear!

        How did you get to such a thing?

        Quote: calocha
        You need to cost yard courts! Make inventory available. Best at school. Hockey (football, biathlon) clubs Large organizations must develop sports in the region, otherwise they buy clubs over the hill, and under the nose - ruin!


        Quote: There was a mammoth
        Without mass sport and real state support, we won’t see Olympic champions.


        No, but what about the ass? But what about gold in Kolyma? Without this, is it possible?

        Hey, you there !!! Internet experts !!! Read what smart people write !!!
        Perhaps at least a couple of grams of gray matter are activated.

        But seriously, I don’t know where how, but in Voronezh, parents of children go to trainings once a week for 100 or 120 km. On Saturdays, all day. In Beavers or Stary Oskol. Because in the millionth city there is no ice for children's teams. So much for the preparation of reserves.
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 20 February 2014 14: 21
          0
          Quote: Banshee
          Hey, you there !!! Internet experts !!! Read what smart people write !!!
          Perhaps at least a couple of grams of gray matter are activated.

          Nimbus of its own greatness does not shine?
    2. demel2
      demel2 20 February 2014 09: 40
      +1
      I want to say that there are enough hockey boxes now at schools and courtyards, at least in our Primorye region, only, there are not a lot of children there.
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 20 February 2014 08: 07
    +12
    Branch of sorrow for the "Red Car"!
    Well, remember her. sad
    I still can't get drunk after yesterday PROSER sad I’ve been waiting for this moment for 4 years and have waited on my own head, the feeling is as if a bucket of shit sipped!
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 20 February 2014 08: 14
      +15
      ------------
    2. bddrus
      bddrus 20 February 2014 08: 32
      +6
      what were your expectations based on ?? 4 losses to the Finns in their last meetings in 2013 including the December game? or our World Cup at least?
    3. Toporkoff
      Toporkoff 20 February 2014 10: 03
      -1
      I still cannot get drunk after yesterday PROSERA I have been waiting for this moment for 4 years and have waited on my own head, it feels like a bucket of shit slurped!

      Did you send your son to the hockey section? Hockey practiced for 4 years, tried to break into the national team? No? and because of you they lost! not enough of your skill on ice in Sochi!)
  • WHG
    WHG 20 February 2014 08: 12
    +4
    Previously on the form of the USSR and now Bosco. Previously, the player’s last name in Russian and now in English, WHAT an idea! Where is the NHL there is a loss and there would be a national team from Russia that you fought!
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 20 February 2014 09: 41
      -7
      Well, go to the cemetery, to raise the USSR national team, Mr. Necromancer.
  • stayer
    stayer 20 February 2014 08: 15
    +6
    For me personally, hockey and biathlon are our everything. And the next loss as a sickle for me ... m. In general, everything is sad.

    Of course, coaches see flaws, but this is not easier for us. The fourth Olympiad (now 5) without gold. And the distant 92nd when they received it, many do not even remember. With the collapse of the USSR, a new era began. Teams are formed from KHL players and NHL stars. I am not an analyst, but I see the same picture. Gather something like a team and trust in overseas stars. No teamwork, no homework, no combinations. The team switched to individual skill of 2-3 players. But this is not Russian hockey !!! By the way, the opposing teams adopted the system and methods of Soviet hockey. For the same reason, until 2008 they could not win the World Cup (15 years). When they won the World Cup 08,09. I started to hope for a Russian miracle. However, Bykov succumbed to the same pattern, began to dilute the KHL team with the NHL team. As a result, a devastating loss at the Olympics in Vancouver and at the 2 World Cup. Bilyaletdinov won the 2012 World Cup without losing a single game. It seems to be good. But he did not change anything in the system. Accordingly, this team will not be able to win anything else. Ahead of the 2014 World Cup, if the same team arrives, do not expect it to win.

    What to do? I see only one way out (IMHO). It is necessary to create your own Russian team, consisting only of KHL players. He went overseas for money, nothing to do in a team. That's so tough. The played triples will appear. Played pairs of defenders who understand each other.
    The same for goalkeepers. What the x .. put Varlamov? For example, Bobrovsky did not miss a single goal.
    And finally, I think we need a dictator trainer. Like Tarasov.
    In the meantime, everything is sad. Take heart men, they will have us in hockey for a long time ...
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 20 February 2014 08: 19
      +1
      Bilyaletdinov won World Cup 2012 without losing a single game
      Yes, you look at the World Cup-12 and the game today is a completely different game. But you say it hasn’t changed. We didn’t play at the World Cup-12 rollback. Bobrovsky and Varlamov are of the same level
      1. stayer
        stayer 20 February 2014 08: 24
        0
        Quote: Gleb
        Yes, you look at the World Cup-12 and the game today is a completely different game. But you say that it has not changed. We did not play such a rollback at the World Cup-12
        That's it. Nothing has changed in the system. And one championship won did not correct the general trend. You can’t set up a team without constant, joint training of the whole team. Newcomers NHL star-drivers only make a mess. Like a star, while the individual game is not glued, and there is no team game even more so.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 08: 40
          +1
          Quote: stayer
          And one championship won did not correct the general trend.

          Have we won one championship?
          1. stayer
            stayer 20 February 2014 08: 47
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Have we won one championship?
            Of course. World Cup 2012. Not a single defeat. This was before only in the 1973 World Cup.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 09: 15
              +1
              Quote: stayer
              . World Cup 2012. Not a single defeat. This was before only in the 1973 World Cup.

              And in 2008,2009, who won, maybe Canadians? about the times of the USSR you also have a memory failure.
              1. stayer
                stayer 20 February 2014 09: 22
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And in 2008,2009, who won, maybe Canadians? about the times of the USSR you also have a memory failure.

                Alexander, I have no failures. Do not pull out of context, 08,09 World Cup was won by Bulls. And then he lost to OI and 2 World Cups. The scheme does not work with a mixed composition of KHL and NHL players. It is necessary to change the entire system of the game and return to Soviet hockey.
          2. Roman Skomorokhov
            Roman Skomorokhov 20 February 2014 09: 44
            +3
            Generally four. 1993, 2008, 2009, 2012.
    2. Pinochet000
      Pinochet000 20 February 2014 08: 47
      +4
      Quote: stayer
      For me personally, hockey and biathlon are our everything. And the next loss as a sickle for me ... m.
      Figure skating forgot))
      In general, it turns out interesting in the forms where we are traditionally strong, we lose ... and where no one expected awards, victory ...
      1. bddrus
        bddrus 20 February 2014 08: 50
        +5
        Biathlon as well as hockey:
        World Cup 2008 3golds, 3silver, 5bronzes and descending
        World Cup 2013 respectively - 0-1-1

        Have you been waiting for victories in biathlon? what suddenly? only objectively.
        These were hopes - "what if"
        1. stayer
          stayer 20 February 2014 08: 53
          +1
          Quote: bddrus
          These were hopes - "what if"

          Exactly. I did not expect anything else. Sad
    3. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 20 February 2014 09: 22
      +1
      Quote: stayer
      The same for goalkeepers. What the x .. put Varlamov? For example, Bobrovsky did not miss a single goal.

      But who lost the shootings with the US team, didn’t Bobrovsky stand in the goal?
    4. Normal
      Normal 20 February 2014 09: 28
      +6
      Quote: stayer
      In general, everything is sad.


      Repost:

      Sad ...
      But it is time to finally admit; WE ARE NOT ABLE TO PLAY HOCKEY! AT ALL ...

      We play the way we live now - without ideology. Every man for himself.
      Many players who individually have achieved a lot. They made themselves, achieved personal success. Everything is the same as in the economy - there are a lot of successful businessmen, and the economy itself is in operation.
      With the mass of virtuosos of playing the piano, dragging the piano (building the game, exerting constant pressure on the opponent, supplying with hammered passes, taking the puck from the opponent, WORK) - SOME. Of course, Datsyuk will take away and give back the pass, but he is alone, but they don’t wait for the pass or wait without opening or offering themselves. Of the whole team, two played the pass - Datsyuk and Markov. But there is no teamwork, which means there is no sense of partner. And the partners have no desire to open for the pass. (Ovechkin is a super example. Get up in the left throw-in gait and stupidly wait for the pass at YOUR STANDING POINT for 15 seconds in a row)
      And why break without a puck and offer yourself if the stars (Kovalchuk, Radulov, Ovechkin, Malkin, etc.) will still decide the moment exclusively individually. They will stumble into the defender and will be thrown out from under him, but they will not give up the pass, even though you are killed.
      In clubs, ordinary stars plow on these stars. In the national team plowed one Datsyuk. Of course, one man can feed two generals, but not in hockey.
      When the players finally realized (it still hasn’t reached the coaches) that the enemy’s way of playing the game was calculated, moreover, the players themselves, their maneuver, habits, features and capabilities, were also trying to play through combination games. BUT! This must be studied all my life, from childhood. Improvisations succeed only if they are well trained.
      The Soviet school of hockey is completely lost, but another has not been created.
      The exploitation by Russian coaches of the natural talents of such players as Malkin, Ovechkin, Kovalchuk is not coaching.
      The coach’s job is to play the game. Strengthen and complement the strengths of the players by choosing the appropriate partners (Tikhonov). The coach’s job is to be able to rebuild the game depending on the opponent. Examine the enemy, come up with and bring to the players the ways of counteraction. Indicate the path to victory (Tarasov). And these coaches knew how to get players to fulfill their requirements like no one else. Alas, we now have no such trainers.
      Here is the result.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 20 February 2014 08: 18
    -1
    Players from the NHL live there, money is there ... well, yes, they still speak Russian and surnames like Russians, but that's just the scrotum there ...
    In general, in whose hands the eggs are the main one.
  • Fox
    Fox 20 February 2014 08: 21
    +1
    I will repeat again: SALES LEGIONERS PLAY ONLY FOR BUKS! Ours played, took second place. And these ... watch the movie "Brother-2", who does not understand.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 08: 42
      +1
      Quote: Fox
      : SALES LEGIONEERS PLAY ONLY FOR BUCKS!

      What do you mean, but if these "corrupt" win the World Cup, will not be ashamed of their words? how much hatred damn, as soon as they lose. The question is who in the country was happy when they won the World Cup. All pancake hypocrites disappeared.
      1. stayer
        stayer 20 February 2014 09: 03
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What do you mean, but if these "corrupt" win the World Cup, will not be ashamed of their words? how much hatred damn, as soon as they lose. The question is who in the country was happy when they won the World Cup. All pancake hypocrites disappeared.
        What do you think, got into a fairy tale? Lose the next Olympics and stroke the head? Do not criticize and reassure? Would win, would be both glory and honor. People just are not hypocrites, but talk about what they see and what pent up. No, in this case it will be just a hypocrisy to say that everything is fine with us and we have an excellent team, which is just out of luck.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 09: 21
          -1
          Quote: stayer
          . People just are not hypocrites, but talk about what they see and what pent up.

          People are obsessing the players, but the matter is that the coach, who last year after losing to the amers at the World Cup, should have changed. It was like that with Bykov, it was like that. It was clear that a new coach was needed, the level of the game was falling, but no. Ovechkin and Semin, they score in the NHL because they know how to play, but there they play in the links that the coach makes up. As the coaches were made up by us. We got this game. All the teams are in the same position, only after they missed 8 Shaib at the World Cup, the coach and will not be allowed to coach the team for the Olympics, and in our tradition, two times on the same rake-Vancouver, Sochi.
          1. avant-garde
            avant-garde 20 February 2014 09: 32
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            People shame the players, and the thing is the coach

            In confirmation of my post
            Kozhevnikov: Ovechkin draws skates and apparently thinks that this is patriotism
            20.02.2014 09:09
            Two-time Olympic champion Alexander Kozhevnikov expressed his opinion about the defeat of the Russian team in the quarterfinals of the Olympics.

            - A nightmare happened. It is not clear why and how. This is a tragedy. To lose with such a team ... We need to deal very seriously here. It is clear that it is easiest to blame a coach, but it doesn’t happen that one person is to blame - everyone is to blame. And above all, the Hockey Federation in its entirety. Or take the players: there are questions to all but three people who have at least done something. Want me to name them? I will name: Datsyuk, Bobrovsky, Malkin, and, with a stretch, Kovalchuk and Semin, who at least somehow moved. And what did Popov do in the team? What about Ovechkin? Sasha, in addition to the decorated skates, showed nothing. A person draws skates and, apparently, thinks that this is patriotism. And at the same time, in five games, the Slovenians score one goal, ”said Kozhevnikov.

            When asked what was the reason for the defeat, the expert replied: "Do you know that the Finns were afraid of us? It was evident from the game. We ourselves lost this match - tactically, physically, psychologically - in everything. It is terribly unpleasant to see us, veterans, how people dishonor their team at the Olympic Games. Yes, we would have played better than them! At least we would have beaten ... Look, Selyanne is 43 years old, and he runs faster than our young defenders! What's that called? "
      2. Gur
        Gur 20 February 2014 14: 50
        0
        Well, you grunt so for everyone, as they say ... Here, I was happy, but how could you not be happy when you could, though even then everything was not so smooth (so to speak) and then we discussed who, where and how he played, and then there were comments that the World Cup was pulled out by Datsyuk and Malkin, well, Kovalchuk was still working, the rest were already playing AVOS. There was hope for young guys who shod Canadians in youth (there was a balm for the soul, this was the will to win and is still reviewing), and conversations after the World Cup were that it was necessary to raise a new generation for the Olympics, neither was done, the same oil painting, before the Olympics there were already fears that the stars would not sing a duet. And so it happened, and not from scratch our judgments, the Eurotour (even without stars), the cup of the first, etc., was a scribble and not a game .. No hatred, there is an eternally Russian question WHAT TO DO AND WHO IS GUILT? Indeed, the Olympics in Russia are not every year and not every decade, so that it was possible to prepare and show a sense of national dignity, character. And I think that it’s not worth hoping for the World Cup either, there is no team, there is no game, your game, but if you win the World Cup, it will look like degeneration - after the fight, wave your fists
  • Shurale
    Shurale 20 February 2014 08: 21
    +1
    Enough to recruit the Enhael team !!!
    They go by the forest !!!
    They have repeatedly proved their failure as a team.
    No teamwork - no team!

    At the same time, the problem of imposing American judges from the NHL will be solved. One less problem.
  • albai
    albai 20 February 2014 08: 23
    +6
    I remember how in the Soviet years I sat down for a telly and enthusiastically watched the game of hockey players. After the collapse, he was traditionally rooting for Russia and .. upset. And recently I looked at the game with amers and realized that there would be no victory in the Olympics. Some core from the team has left. The core is: the will to win, patriotism, the realization that they are RUSSIAN Hockey players! It’s a pity, they ruined such a holiday.
  • Pohmelniy
    Pohmelniy 20 February 2014 08: 24
    +5
    Have I been dropped by the last words of a commentator? Like, do not be discouraged, this is just a sport. It would be better to keep silent, tsukovan. And yes, shampoos need to be advertised more, maybe the potential will be revealed there. Some emotions after the match.
  • bddrus
    bddrus 20 February 2014 08: 28
    +1
    "I myself am a Candidate Master of Sports in swimming" - so I will tell you how to play hockey! - well, just p .... c!

    What do you think all the money hockey players ??? Opponents all for free perform in clubs ???

    I agree on one thing - there is no teamwork! YES! But do not they collect from the rest of the NHL and KHLam?

    And yet, gentlemen, all our hopes are based on the glorious victories of the USSR national team in the PAST !!! Another country, other hockey players, another school of hockey! Of course, one should not forget and be proud, but it is wrong to base claims on the current Russian hockey on this!
    FIFA World Cup 2014 - I don’t need any consolation - let them experiment, I would generally recruit a young team of Tikhonov-Nechushkin-Voinov-Tarasenko and the like - let them play at the World Cup - even lose - poher - there will be experience and it will be clear what they can do if it helps to find the new team, it’s not a pity for the World Cup especially in the Olympic year!
  • washi
    washi 20 February 2014 08: 28
    +1
    Here, I think, there can be only one solution: to form the Olympic team only from those players who play in Russia, so that the team plays in advance, so that they feel each other, so as not to drag the blanket over themselves!
    Maybe gold will not work right away, but I think that at least the team will reach the semifinal!
    Such a decision would help to leave true patriots in Russia, for whom it would be more important to participate in the Russian team at the Olympics, than to receive HUGE fees over the hill!
    I agree. If you want to play in the national team, play in your own country.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 08: 43
      0
      Quote: Vasya
      Here, I think, there can only be one solution - to form the Olympic team only from those players who play in Russia,

      If you carefully watch hockey, you should know that we already had such mushrooms and won nothing.
      1. vadson
        vadson 20 February 2014 10: 35
        -1
        No, the picture is different. the only ones chasing the bucks and leaving overseas. Tarasov had time and had an enormous reserve, from where he could gain the best of the best. and now - nikushkina 18 and he is already in the NHL. how to train him for the national team if he is not?
        your coach is to blame, not the players. all you want coaching blood romances. and the point is to change the coach a year before the Olympics, he will not fix anything. if this year all the players of the national team at home trained on each other then yes, it would make sense. and so "training in skype" will give nothing.
        to use players from khl in your opinion also does not work, unit superstars. good players need to grow time. and with your logic, after each World Cup we will change the trainers
  • ed65b
    ed65b 20 February 2014 08: 29
    +3
    With Finns, we always played hard games. Well offensively of course, but not fatal. Will wait.
    1. bddrus
      bddrus 20 February 2014 08: 53
      +2
      Yes, I looked at the statistics of the meetings - evenly wins (there was one more) - a difficult opponent, especially in the last year - almost all of our meetings lost
  • darksoul
    darksoul 20 February 2014 08: 31
    +2
    , so upset because of them. On the one hand, if it were not for the miracle of refereeing, we would have been 1/4 and not Americans, but on the other, knowing the hosted attitude towards us and the support of our walls, we had to lie with our bones, but win. And thanks to everyone, you can go home to the USA, NHL and multi-million dollar contracts are waiting. This feeling the concept of money completely replaced the concept of homeland
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 08: 44
      -1
      Quote: darksoul
      . This feeling the concept of money completely replaced the concept of homeland

      a feeling that many "patriots" have lost their brains.
  • darksoul
    darksoul 20 February 2014 08: 38
    +1
    and I would also add if we are raising young hockey players here, we need to conclude an agreement with them, let them play in our homeland for about 5 years, or else we have brought them up here, and immediately the talented chicks flew overseas. It’s stupid and stupid to spend here on them forces and means so that they run away to the enemies, well, and there is a lot of money and they don’t really want to play
  • bddrus
    bddrus 20 February 2014 08: 46
    +1
    When our national team (not only hockey, but completely Olympic) is poured with slop and the country with it - you see, we do not take first place in medals like the USSR (how many years ago?) - I want to ask about what such claims are based on? here are the options:
    - Because the USSR was almost always in 1st place
    - Because Russia is a country rich in natural resources
    - Because Russia is the largest country in terms of territory
    - Because Sochi 2014 is the home Olympics
    - maybe there is still your option?
    And now the main thing is that at least one of these points, objectively, affects the number of medals in sports ????

    And therefore - Russia, continues to be a great sports power! and this is not pathos
  • be0560
    be0560 20 February 2014 08: 46
    0
    A shame!!!!! If, according to Putin, this is the best team, then let me ask, which is the worst? It’s high time to quit puffing out your cheeks and make the whole world laugh. Things need to be called by their proper names ...
  • Hleb
    Hleb 20 February 2014 08: 50
    +7
    Americans are gloating, you are helping them, turning our
    1. Sharingan
      Sharingan 20 February 2014 09: 08
      -1
      Quote: Gleb
      Americans are gloating, you are helping them, turning our

      Compared with that G, which is poured on amers by local cheers-pozriots - this is the standard of decency.
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    3. alex-s
      alex-s 20 February 2014 09: 25
      0
      Yes, I don’t have any obscene words about pin Dos! Everywhere and everyone has time to spoil!
    4. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 20 February 2014 09: 29
      +1
      Quote: Gleb
      here the Americans are gloating-


      Gleb, what are you really: "gloating."
      So, to myself ... I would say in Russian - if you ... wink

      But in yesterday’s article about how an American ship ran aground at the Turkish port, yes, TRUE gloat. So much outright shit ...
      It seems that adults write, I was amazed at this INSANITY. Some kind UNREADABLE INSANITY.
      Well, some "laughed", remembered Zadornov, of course.
      And most are numb ...

      So I agree
      Quote: Sharingan
      Compared with that G, which is poured on amers by local cheers-pozriots - this is the standard of decency.
  • Amur
    Amur 20 February 2014 08: 51
    +7
    Lost ... sad, but on the shape of stars drew, look disgusting.

    Our USSR grandees of hockey on the podium probably spat on such a shame.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 20 February 2014 09: 14
      +2
      But weren't these stars crushing Bill when he initially announced Kokarev and Soin-acting KHL champions? they wondered, where’s Semin ... and what’s the result? One of the injuries doesn’t have the second, but Semin played ... did these stars persuade Bill to lead the team? and he didn’t want to leave Kazan. did these stars unanimously agree and approve the composition of the team, after additional application of Syomin?
      Petrov, Mikhailov did not spit. Because they know hockey
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 20 February 2014 08: 54
    +3
    Of course, I don't know much about hockey, but even I could see that the game was not going on, the Finns just lay across ours, stubborn, at least it commands respect. As it turned out, all these NHL stars did not make any impression on the Finns. that they gave up on the Russian national football team, this is a fact, nothing good can be expected from these people, and most likely the 2014 World Cup will end ingloriously for Russia, however, as always. And why are our hockey players beyond criticism? If, for example, I received in school five, honor and praise me, and if I am “out of criticism” chtoli? A strange approach, and when you know that you will lose and nothing will come to you for it, then where is the incentive to win?
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 20 February 2014 08: 57
    +8
    Russian national football team, take off your skates - we recognized you!
    1. Normal
      Normal 20 February 2014 09: 41
      +1
      Quote: Stiletto
      Russian national football team, take off your skates - we recognized you!

  • Nester
    Nester 20 February 2014 09: 04
    +5
    In my opinion, the result is logical. We started somehow to play with a stretch, a lot did not work out. Each individual hockey player is a master, but hockey is a team game, but it wasn’t there. Beat Norway could only due to the difference in the class of players. Finns are not the strongest team, but the team. Watch how Americans play, what speeds, passes, combinations. Previously, it was our hockey, fast, attacking, combinational. Yes, they did, but they scored. And now we just skip it and with incredible efforts we score. The fault here is both the coach and the players. Malkin and Ovechkin were tightly closed when they escaped from custody, then the puck off the hook, then the hook on the puck. Wizards and wizards so that the puck does not go off the hook. Yes, and in the NHL, I think they are tutored no less, but goals are scored steadily. And for some reason, the coach was unable to rally the players in a single team. In general, you can search for the guilty for a long time and hard, but the fact remains. They left naturally.
    PS By the way, Canada somehow doesn’t really shine either, they play something hard.
  • Prometey
    Prometey 20 February 2014 09: 05
    +4
    Here many people write - to drive these Nkhlovites into the neck, they are not interested in anything except money. But when the same Datsuk and Kovalchuk won the championships in 2008 and 2009, everyone said that they were ours. I believe that defeat should be accepted, as well as victory. Many still live the memories of Soviet hockey. But he is no longer there and it’s worth accepting and growing a new team. And you need to do this, as Canadians and Americans do - they spit on the prestige of the World Cup and send young players who study there and gain experience there to play.
    And personally, I have no complaints against our hockey players. And in principle, as individual players, they are very strong and professional. But hockey is also a team, which for the most part we do not have. It makes no sense to sprinkle ash on your head after losing to the Finns. After all, they lost to one of the strongest teams in the championship. The Finns always showed great team hockey, so when the Soviet team hockey ended in 1992, our Finns almost always lost.
    In general, I like the US team - strong-willed and purposeful. For some reason I see that they are Olympic champions in these games.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 09: 24
      0
      Quote: Prometey
      But when the same Datsuk and Kovalchuk won the championships in 2008 and 2009, everyone said that they were ours.

      They have already forgotten that.
  • RBLip
    RBLip 20 February 2014 09: 06
    +4
    in the Soviet Union there were many ideas - in the Soviet Union was the best hockey.
    but when the idea of ​​"ikea" appeared, we were very quickly left without hockey.
    The conclusion is simple - we will take down all the ikeys, bring in Soviet ideas, maybe then we will have hockey?

    such an impromptu. do not shoot the pianist, as he knows how and plays laughing
    PS at work they will not let me lie, yesterday afternoon predicted our team’s defeat. everything is simple, the Finns are not fools, they understand that Russia by name is much stronger. therefore, take a team game. even if a miracle had happened and we would have passed the Finns, the next would have been Swedes. So after the match with the mattresses it was already clear that this Russian team would not reach the final. the only option was to urgently learn to move the gates and put on all matches of the Russian judges. and in the game, even to me, a person who is not an expert, it was clear that grabbing the Russians in the middle of the field, straining their arms and not giving them a damn. that dates have shown us.
  • Sharingan
    Sharingan 20 February 2014 09: 06
    -1
    Oh, how our fermented cheers patriots dramatically changed their minds about our team. Now who is to blame? Again, American hockey players and referees, and indeed the whole vile American nation? But the minuses here were set from the heart when they wrote that ours play something like that, they show not Olympic and certainly not champion hockey.
  • gispanec
    gispanec 20 February 2014 09: 09
    0
    I read .... and ofeeg ... how much shit is poured on our guys ... how much dirt and hate ... horror .. and a week ago they sang defirambuses .... my opinion is trolls, not fans who stuck in the USSR ... well, there is no USSR for a long time ... that's it ... you have to live and try to do it for the good ... these guys won the World Cup for the Motherland ... and you are stupid trolls that you did for the Motherland ?? ... minus ... I do not care about you, those who shit watered our Olympic team ..... we always have it ... fell at the start, the athlete is to blame ..... but I think this is the fault of the federation + min.sport Russia ..all...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 February 2014 09: 25
      0
      Quote: gispanec
      I read .... and ofeeg ... how much shit is poured on our guys ... how much dirt and hate ... horror ..,

      Because they themselves ....
    2. WHG
      WHG 20 February 2014 09: 29
      0
      No one pours on them, just a hockey team game and not a game of singles. Yes, in the NHL they played in their teams and then they were gathered like a herd and there is no game.
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    4. Sharingan
      Sharingan 20 February 2014 09: 50
      +2
      Yes, none of our hockey players are to blame for this failure. Well must not form a team a couple of days before the Olympics, you cannot defeat strong opponents on the basis of the individual skill alone.

      And victory in the World Cup is so, nonsense. Players from teams that flew out of the Stanley Cup go there to play.
      It is necessary, following the example of some European countries, to send players from junior teams to the World Cup, let them prepare, slide down.
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 20 February 2014 09: 57
        +1
        Quote: Sharingan
        Well, you can’t form a team a couple of days before the Olympics; you cannot defeat strong rivals on the basis of individual skill alone.

        This is why you can’t ????
        You can have all the teams formed in this way except Latvia, where basically all Dynamo Riga played, and they drove 2-1 with beavers yesterday and the beavers against their background did not look so formidable. And ours is not only that MONTH before the Olympics in Kazan trained, but also FOUR years they had the result we saw yesterday! So do not talk about teamwork!
        1. Sharingan
          Sharingan 20 February 2014 10: 17
          0
          Quote: avant-garde
          And our not only that, MONTH before the Olympic Games in Kazan trained,

          Oh, the whole month PART of the team, well then yes.
          And the NHL team arrived in Sochi a couple of days before the matches.
          1. avant-garde
            avant-garde 20 February 2014 10: 26
            +1
            Quote: Sharingan
            And the NHL team arrived in Sochi a couple of days before the matches.

            Do you want me to tell you a secret?
            So other teams generally gathered TWO days before the start of hockey at the OI !!!! After all, byad, and ours only had a month sad
  • Name
    Name 20 February 2014 09: 20
    +8
    Greetings to all! Here they fought for their homeland:

    and now they practice loot ...
    1. 31231
      31231 20 February 2014 09: 54
      0
      Many here want to live as in the Union, but at the same time have the benefits of capitalism.
      It’s time to take off the pink glasses.
      1. Yegorchik
        Yegorchik 20 February 2014 12: 35
        0
        , looked around, went to fidelity, looked out the window of the benefits of capitalism, I don’t see what you are explaining about if it’s not difficult.
        1. 31231
          31231 20 February 2014 14: 34
          0
          looked around, went to fidelity looked out the window of the benefits of capitalism I do not see what you explain if it is not difficult.


          He lived in the USSR ?!
          Did you have to look for parking? On the phone and the Internet could buy the latest gadgets technology? When was the last time in line for consumer goods?
  • olviko
    olviko 20 February 2014 09: 31
    +2
    "and I think this is the fault of the federation + the ministry of sports of Russia .. everything ..."

    Who is to blame and what to do? - Probably the next debriefing will be arranged, for the failure of someone they will probably be punished. If we talk about the team - TEAMs, starting from the first game, did not see.
    So, a set of overseas and domestic "stars" and not stars. And in comparison with the USSR national team, the times of Mikhailov, Petrov, Kharlamov - just a yard team, just like a TEAM, who likes it or not.
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 20 February 2014 09: 35
    +1
    There is no nationwide linking of all ideas, there are no ideals. The Minister of Sports, and so the billionaire, a recognizable person, had to have him after Vancouver, drive him out and weed the tundra. Everything and everywhere, only for money, big money. Hockey players forgot where they taught, who taught them, for what they were taught? In general, the Olympics ........!
  • RBLip
    RBLip 20 February 2014 09: 42
    +2
    That's as always in VO. someone pours water on feces, someone protects with foam at the mouth. I believe that the Nhaelites, Kachelists, this is not important. The current Russian team very accurately reflects our society as a whole. those. in our hearts we are all arctic fox patriots, we love our homeland, we have been proud of it lately (the benefit has become what), we hate liberalism (after all, almost everyone considers Russia to be me). and a little dig, each without a dough finger does not move. no silverless, extinct as a class. Here are the guys in the team. play as it turns out. and the desire seems to be there and there is someone to prove (the parents are sitting watching) but it turns out the way it turns out.
  • Gorko
    Gorko 20 February 2014 09: 43
    0
    Scandinavian

    To be honest, the Finns were more united, the defense game went well and the shots on goal were not quantitative, but qualitative. In general, we need a new Tarasov and Stalin, so that in case of something, to cut down the forest in places not so remote ....


    Do you need to bring down forests? !!! Water and Wali !!! Yes, we have bored !!! But do not forget that we quite often recently win world championships !!! One has only to remember the youth ...
  • 31231
    31231 20 February 2014 09: 49
    +3
    The author began with his CCM regalia in swimming. What for? What would you price yourself in advance?
    What Wasserman without sports achievements would put it worse?
    In general, woe to that fan who immediately watered amnom in case of failure. Moreover, in the Olympic system of the draw, the probability of losing the strongest team is high.