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Polish officials against the Soviet general

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18 February 1945 of the Year - 69 Years Ago - not far from Melzak (East Prussia), General Ivan Chernyakhovsky, who was with several escorts in an army vehicle, was fatally wounded by a German artillery shell. After about 30 years, a monument was erected at the site of the death of the commander of the 3 Byelorussian Front. The settlement by that time had already become part of the Polish People's Republic and was called Pieniężno (pronounced “Penzhno”).


After Poland proclaimed the transition to “democratic” values, a monument to a Soviet general, if someone tried to maintain in good condition, it was exclusively local residents. But the local authorities, on the balance of which the monument was located, decided that the “democratic” values ​​and duty to the liberator general by definition cannot be coordinated with each other, and therefore the monument turned into something dull and forgotten. The overgrown bushes, the abundance of weeds, crumbling cladding and in addition Russophobic inscriptions that regularly appeared on the monument to Chernyakhovsky “thanks” to activists of new-fangled nationalist (or, admittedly, Nazi) organizations made the monument hostage to new policies of the Polish leadership.

Frankly speaking, for a number of years such an attitude to the monuments of the heroes of the Great Patriotic War was observed not only in this god-forgotten Polish Penenzhno. In the spaces of the former USSR, there were enough of their own places, where vandals from power and strangers stuck in Nazi ideas systematically destroyed monuments to soldiers-liberators or participated in outright outrages (pouring paint on monuments, beating off individual elements from them, drawing Hitler's swastika - other than desecrating memory of people who shed their blood for liberation from the fascist scorching heat not only of cities, but also of whole nations, these actions can not be called). Somewhere monuments dilapidated due to the banal lack of funding, and somewhere they tried to get rid of them purposefully - ideology, you see, did not allow to have a monument to Soviet heroes in the neighborhood.

Polish officials against the Soviet general


The authorities of Penenzhno, located not far from the border with the Kaliningrad region, decided that the issue of the monument to Chernyakhovsky should be finally resolved. “To finally decide” is to take and demolish ... Apparently, in this very Penenzhno with a population of about 3 thousands of inhabitants, the authorities simply have no other, let's say, materials for work — the town, you know, equipped from and to: all able-bodied residents are provided with jobs with decent wages, medicine and education - exclusively at the highest level, for young people - lots of options for realizing creative potential, etc. and so on ... Well, just wherever you look - everywhere everything smells sweet, exuding the most subtle flavor of well-being and an unsurpassed level of democracy ... And then, you know, this very monument ... Is that right? ..

It turned out that they decided to demolish the monument, because a) there is not enough money for its maintenance in the local treasury, b) Chernyakhovsky’s identity at the local government raises questions. That is, Chernyakhovsky and other Soviet commanders, who cleared what is now called independent Poland from Nazism, did not have any questions about “freeing or not freeing”, but the head Penenzhno now, you see, has questions to Chernyakhovsky ... Sorry, but who is this “Head” so that he could “have questions” at all to the legendary personality, who in fact gave the right to the petty bureaucracy to sit today in his municipal chair and talk about stories? .. Maybe it is de Gaulle or Churchill? .. But only the figure is definitely not of this scale ...

In order to dismantle the monument, it was necessary to get a simple majority of votes in the local parliamentary meeting. After the vote, this “simple majority” was received (who would doubt) - 7 local lawmakers from 13-ti voted for the demolition of the monument to General Chernyakhovsky. Before proceeding to further coverage of the situation, I personally would like to express my gratitude to those deputies who said “no!” To the initiative in question. Apparently, in Poland there are still people who are not inclined to believe that all current state and public problems are somehow connected with the presence on the Polish territory of monuments to Soviet soldiers ...

So, the majority of votes in Penenzhno decided to demolish the monument to Chernyakhovsky. Remarkably, the demolition was scheduled to be completed precisely by February 18 - the day of the death of the Soviet commander. The company, which was supposed to carry out the dismantling, was found quickly. And in addition, it turned out that the company was not even going to take money from the local authorities to complete the procedure of demolishing the monument - you see, what disintegrated ones ... That is, the authorities did not have the funds to restore and maintain the monument in proper condition (well, let's say) why then no company has declared a desire to assist the restoration of gratuitous? Why there were no requests to the Russian side (and we, by the way, even have a whole agreement with Poland about solving such problems)? Or "to break - not to build" ...

Once the decision of the authorities to dismantle the monument to General Chernyakhovsky was found out in Russia, the Polish town turned into a place in which, since World War II, no such number of Russians had been seen. Russian delegations began to arrive here calling on the Polish side to refuse to dismantle the monument. One of such delegations was headed by the Russian ambassador to Poland, Alexander Nikolaevich Alekseev. Several delegations arrived in the Warmia-Mazury region from the Kaliningrad region with a proposal to either help with the restoration of the monument or transport it to the territory of the Russian Federation. Representatives of different delegations agreed that the decision to demolish the monument in Poland is an unfriendly act towards Russia, as well as an event that has not far gone from typical vandalism.

As soon as the representatives of Russia came out with proposals regarding the fate of the monument to the Soviet general, some “especially aware” Polish publications entered the action. Next went the so-called “American portal of the Poles” http://www.poland.us/ (speaking title, isn't it?), who published the material by Stanislav Debitsky. So this “American Pole” Debitski writes the following (regarding the proposal to transport the monument from Poland to Russia):

And well, let the Russians take to the monument, glorifying the man who was the ruthless executioner of Polish soldiers!


Yes, we, Russians, will take it - let Debitsky and all the “American Poles” have no doubt. At one time, we took out a monument to General Chernyakhovsky from Vilnius and installed it in Voronezh, and from Penenzhno, if necessary, we will take it out - it will not be for money exactly. But let the Mazuryan authorities and Mr. Debicky not forget that the story is a complicated thing and can often go according to such a scenario, when the Poles (usual, not “American” in the first place) may again need the help of a large eastern neighbor ... As they say, one must renounce ... And then let the pans remember who the “executioner” is, and who is the liberator, who sacrificed himself for the freedom of others, and who has nothing to do except chewing his own snot and the war with memory.

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  1. PValery53
    PValery53 20 February 2014 08: 09
    +35
    Of course, if the Polish side wishes, the Russian side MANDATORY remove the monument to HERO ID Chernyakhovsky on its territory. And, as a "gratitude", will nullify economic (and cultural) ties with this nasty country. And then this issue will be settled to the satisfaction of both parties.
    1. ronin
      ronin 20 February 2014 11: 21
      +6
      Why economically? We will return the monument along with the territory! She entered East Prussia, so let her return to the Kaliningrad region!
    2. knn54
      knn54 20 February 2014 12: 47
      +17
      Regarding the inscription: the executioner of the Home Army ...
      6-7 thousand Polish partisans took part in the operation to liberate Vilnius. The rest refused and went west. The German garrison was about 12-14 thousand. Nothing happened, they retreated and were forced to coordinate their actions with our troops. So, about the joint release, as the fly mounted on the horse said, “and we plowed” the Poles got very excited.
      When the front moved west, it is impossible to leave armed uncontrolled foreign armed groups (given the tense relations of the Poles with the Lithuanians and claims to “eastern armchairs”) in their rear. It was proposed to the Poles to join the Polish army - they refused. A decision was made on disarmament. Reached the shooting. Resistance was crushed by the NKVD troops and the Polish partisans were disarmed and arrested. In war, as in war. Interestingly, the attempts of the Polish government in exile to drag England into a showdown ended in a grandiose drag of the Polish government on the part of Churchill.
      The Poles do not want to recall the fact that when the Soviet Army approached Warsaw, the honor of her release was given to the Polish units from the Home Army, which were crushed to pieces in the first contact with the Nazis. So the Soviet troops had to liberate the Polish capital. Polish ambition is ONLY enough for the demolition of monuments to the dead.
      And maybe it’s worth removing the memorial of stupidity and incompetence in the place of a broken plane in the Smolensk region?
      1. Walking
        Walking 20 February 2014 13: 07
        +3
        That is why the land of East Prussia became Polish, and did not move to Kaliningrad. Stalin was not up to the mark in this matter; he indulged too many of these Poles. But only if these geeks again need help, I think this should not be done.
        1. Alexander Petrovich
          Alexander Petrovich 20 February 2014 16: 03
          +2
          Brothers, there are many Russophobes in Poland, but there are also enough sensible people, I personally saw this, the bullying from them comes mainly from the government and the media, many support, but it seems to me that many also disagree with what the authorities are doing. Slavs, they are our brothers, they need help. But they need to change the rulers.
        2. Baemaley99
          Baemaley99 20 February 2014 22: 40
          0
          There was a complicated policy. The Poles wanted to regain western Ukraine. And in the castle for her, the Poles were given several parts of defeated Germany.
      2. creak
        creak 20 February 2014 15: 52
        0
        Knn54

        In this case, how will we differ from the Poles? Fighting monuments is the last thing ... No wonder in the old days they said: "The dead do not have shame" ...
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      4. Pancho
        Pancho 20 February 2014 20: 53
        0
        Quote: knn54
        And maybe it’s worth removing the memorial of stupidity and incompetence in the place of a broken plane in the Smolensk region?

        But that would be very helpful.
      5. vlad1
        vlad1 21 February 2014 00: 30
        0
        that's for sure and the Poles about Katyn should be reminded of the concentration camps for Soviet prisoners of war in the 20s, and even before you can remember a lot of things
    3. vyatom
      vyatom 20 February 2014 14: 59
      +3
      After all, the Poles in 1939 stupidly and quickly caved in front of Germany. We liberated them and even gave them territories from East Prussia for free, which were not part of Poland.
      Ungrateful comrades.
      1. cumastra1
        cumastra1 20 February 2014 15: 42
        +4
        I propose to demolish the monument to the Polish executioners, which was erected near Katyn! The war criminals who were shot there were directly related to the destruction of tens of thousands of Red Army soldiers who were captured and "disappeared" into nowhere.
      2. cumastra1
        cumastra1 20 February 2014 15: 42
        0
        I propose to demolish the monument to the Polish executioners, which was erected near Katyn! The war criminals who were shot there were directly related to the destruction of tens of thousands of Red Army soldiers who were captured and "disappeared" into nowhere.
        1. unclevad
          unclevad 20 February 2014 16: 13
          +3
          It is clear why the Poles were shot at Katyn. At that time, the memory of the war with the White Poles in 1920 had not yet been erased, when they decided to "slightly" expand their borders while urging the current champions of "democracy". It is we who grew up after discovering the other side of the coin. It is understandable that the followers of promoting "democracy" with sponsorship from the same sources as in 1920 think and do so, but now they are in charge there. There were and still are Poles who think differently. They just sit quietly.
          It is necessary to move the monument home. And to hell with them. Then they can understand something when the fried rooster pecks.
          1. Walking
            Walking 20 February 2014 20: 06
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Petrovich
            Slavs, they are our brothers, they need help. But they need to change the rulers.


            They are not brothers to us.
          2. shasherin_pavel
            shasherin_pavel 27 February 2014 18: 36
            0
            Quote: unclevad
            It is clear why the Poles near Katyn were shot.

            And why were the Poles shot at Katyn? In fact, the Germans shot them, until the age of 41, the place of execution was the favorite place of Smolechan. There was also a boarding house for the soldiers of the NKVD. There is also evidence that the dead Poles were found letters with the dates 42 years. If you look carefully, you can see that Goebbels’s message about the execution near Katyn appeared before the Poles were persuaded to take part in the Battle of Stalingrad, but as soon as the Germans put forward a version about the execution of the NKVD Poles, Anders leads his army to Iran, then to Palestine, from Palestine to North Africa. In the battle of Alamein, all nations are listed, even the number of natives of Australia and New Zealand is indicated, but there are no Polish soldiers, because the British could not force them to fight.
    4. Klibanophoros
      Klibanophoros 21 February 2014 01: 07
      0
      TAKE Nakh..Y POLISH RITUAL CASHBOARD IN KATIN FOREST !!!
      And it will be fair, my friends, since no one in 25 years of dancing with a tambourine has ever proved the involvement of the Soviet NKVD bodies in the massacres in the Goat Mountains.
  2. Shurale
    Shurale 20 February 2014 08: 16
    +9
    As long as America exists, it will not leave us alone, and such incidents will continue to happen, until our country begins to do the same in the direction of America, we will remain un revengeable.

    GIVE AGITPROP !!!
  3. darksoul
    darksoul 20 February 2014 08: 26
    +8
    How "noble" to fight the monuments and heroically perished Red Army soldiers. It's a shame that our officials are in no hurry to defend the memory of those who at that distant time fulfilled their duty and protected us.
  4. calocha
    calocha 20 February 2014 08: 36
    +5
    In Poland, cannon fodder is being prepared for further shipment to the East! ....
  5. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 20 February 2014 08: 49
    +11
    How short is the human memory, and from the HERO will "create" the enemy. Actually, here it is more likely not a memory, but a deliberate distortion of facts, just like now, during the events in Ukraine, GayRop and the United States, extremist-fascist Bandera murderers represent the whole WORLD as "victims", and the police and the government as aggressors. I don’t want to talk about Yanuka at all, it is FIRST of all HIS fault in the rampant extremism, in the fact that a civil war has actually begun.
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 20 February 2014 09: 44
      +1
      Quote: ia-ai00
      I don’t want to talk about Yanuk at all, it is HIS FIRST turn on blame for the rampant extremism, that the civil war actually started.

      But you will accuse Nazarbayev of practically the civil war in Zhanaozen.
      What happens in Ukraine is the merit of the mattress and geyropa, and the citizens (Yanukovych is also a citizen of an independent country) of Ukraine cave in this huge mechanism of geopolitics.
      Syrians, by the way, too.
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 20 February 2014 09: 57
        0
        Something has brought you to the wrong "steppe". There was no such mess there, and the reasons were completely different.
  6. ZU-23
    ZU-23 20 February 2014 08: 55
    +9
    Last paragraph generally golden words Aleksey good The Lyakhov and the Zapadents were generally shaken by the Americans, they will soon be putting up monuments to Brzezinski, whom Putin recommended identifying in a psychiatric hospital, or rather his adviser said.
  7. Aleksandr65
    Aleksandr65 20 February 2014 09: 22
    +26
    Which one. to hell, pennezhno. This is the German city MELZAK. and these Polish advisers there would not even smell if the USSR did not give it to these immigrants. Bastards! The city must be returned to Germany, she cares for them and respects the winners
    1. Burmistr
      Burmistr 20 February 2014 09: 45
      +4
      Rather nowhere!
    2. Gennady1973
      Gennady1973 20 February 2014 10: 46
      +1
      Aleksandr65 I agree completely! I don’t want to run into cons but I will express myself. I probably didn’t have to release THEM. Poles, Czechs, etc. who either have megalomania or persecution ....... hundreds of our grandfathers and grandfathers were killed for them thousand ......
    3. Gennady1973
      Gennady1973 20 February 2014 10: 47
      +1
      Aleksandr65 I agree completely! I don’t want to run into cons but I will express myself. I probably didn’t have to release THEM. Poles, Czechs, etc. who either have megalomania or persecution ....... hundreds of our grandfathers and grandfathers were killed for them thousand ......
    4. Theophanes
      Theophanes 20 February 2014 15: 39
      +1
      There is an open attack on Russia, in memory of the heroes who defended the world from fascism! Liberal STALIN defended and presented this land to the Poles, and the Democrats want to erase it from the memory of peoples. An ideological war flared up before the war with the peoples. Events in Ukraine are confirmation of this. Russian politics is not interference, a direct betrayal of Russians in Ukraine, Ukrainians, the memory of the dead fathers and grandfathers . The attack on the monuments of heroes takes place in Poland, and Lithuania, and in Latvia, and in Estonia, and in Bulgaria, and in Ukraine! And Russia is either silent or makes absolutely toothless statements. Euro-ass and usa are getting impudent. We can fight with monuments neoliberals and vandals (this is the same thing) we - no! Therefore, the cemetery with the fallen Nazi plane must be kept in order, but not a single official is there a foot!
  8. kind
    kind 20 February 2014 09: 34
    +5
    For every monument to our heroes demolished in Europe today, we will demolish one European city tomorrow. Let's start with Poland. Here is an asymmetric answer. angry
  9. lukke
    lukke 20 February 2014 09: 38
    +16
    I would like to add that thanks to Chernyakhovsky, Vilnius was stormed without the massive use of heavy artillery and aviation. Those. At the cost of the lives of our soldiers, the Balts got a relatively intact city, but in Vilnius the monument to the hero did not "take root" either. I would like to wish our politicians (the country's leadership) to be principled and firm, so that next time we do not repeat these generous actions. And such facts should be widely covered among young people so that there are no illusions about our neighbors.
    PS And of course the monument should be moved home, having widely covered this event. And install it on the site of the territory of the best frontier post on the border with Lithuania.
    1. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 20 February 2014 20: 19
      0
      Quote: lukke
      I would like to add that thanks to Chernyakhovsky, Vilnius was stormed without the massive use of heavy artillery and aircraft. Those. At the cost of the lives of our soldiers, the Baltic states got a relatively whole city

      Unfortunately, I know little about Chernyakhovsky, only that it is one of our best generals. But if indeed:
      Quote: lukke
      thanks to Chernyakhovsky, Vilnius stormed without the massive use of heavy artillery and aircraft. Those. at the cost of the lives of our soldiers
      it rather speaks not in his favor. Maybe you are still mistaken?
      1. lukke
        lukke 20 February 2014 22: 31
        0
        less than three months before Victory. At the request of the Government of Lithuania and personal instruction I. V. Stalin, the commander was buried in Vilnius on February 20, 1945, shortly before being released under his command. The fact that the ancient city, unique in its architectural originality, was almost not destroyed in battles, Vilnius residents should be grateful to Chernyakhovsky: he ordered this not to be used when taking heavy guns, and forbade aerial bombardments of the city center.
        Immediately after the collapse of the Union, in the fall of 1991, the ashes of the commander, at the request of his daughter Neonila Ivanovna, were reburied in Moscow at the Novodevichy cemetery. and the monument was erected in the homeland of the hero, in the city of Voronezh. Officers and cadets of the Air Defense Forces of Air Defense took part in these works.
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  10. konn
    konn 20 February 2014 09: 40
    +6
    miserable, they can only fight with monuments and crap out from under the silence
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn 20 February 2014 09: 57
      +7
      These are psheks! The whole world looks at them as people deprived of reason.
    2. alex-s
      alex-s 20 February 2014 16: 19
      0
      The farthest went the so-called "American Poles Portal" http://www.poland.us/ (speaking name, right?), Which published material authored by Stanislav Debicki.

      What a surname, such a material!
  11. Colonel
    Colonel 20 February 2014 09: 55
    +11
    Poles are also Poles in Africa - a lot of ambition, arrogance, little else. But how to understand the Russian channel "History" which on February 7 showed a film about Chernyakhovsky. The film is almost good if not for one "but". Talking about the death of the commander, the authors of the film give their vision of the event. And this vision is that the shell that killed Chernyakhovsky flew in from the position of the Soviet artillery, there was only one shot and the order to shoot was given, no less than I.V. Stalin. I repeat - a film on the Russian channel "History".
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn 20 February 2014 09: 58
      +6
      Yes, it’s probably Joseph Vissarionovich himself who aimed the gun and pulled the cord.
    2. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 20 February 2014 20: 37
      0
      Quote: colonel
      But how to understand the Russian channel "History" which on February 7 showed a film about Chernyakhovsky. The film is almost good if not for one "but". Talking about the death of the commander, the authors of the film give their vision of the event. And this vision consists in the fact that the shell that killed Chernyakhovsky flew in from the position of the Soviet artillery, there was only one shot and the order to fire was given, no less than I.V. Stalin. I repeat - a film on the Russian channel "History".

      Totally agree with you. I would also like to understand what guides Russian officials (and the most senior ones) who support Russophobes and anti-advisers like Mikhalkov, who are sitting !!! take the PARADE OF VICTORY, who award orders of enemies and in which monuments are erected to enemies. I believe that first of all we need to start with ourselves and then condemn someone for a bad attitude to our history.
      1. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 27 February 2014 19: 02
        0
        And then he was looking at the parade in honor of the 69th anniversary of the Victory? For example, I also sat at the TV! And I do not consider this a betrayal. So you can name the most successful operation Chernyakhovsky, about which very little is written, but the results of which changed the entire course of the Great Patriotic War? Why was Chernyakhovsky called the most talented commander of the Great Patriotic War? If you can’t, then veneration of the memory of the fallen is knowledge of their victories, and not standing on parades.
    3. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 27 February 2014 18: 54
      0
      There was only one shot, but it was a prepared shot ... in one of the books about Smersha, a counterintelligence officer casually says: "One of our biggest failures was the attempt on Chernyakhovsky, which we could not prevent." So the shot was not from a cannon, but from the "liberated Poles" and was prepared in advance. Somehow I did not really believe in the official version that a fragment of a stray shell that arrived almost two hundred meters away struck our general. But to whip up the mood of hatred on the newly "Liberated" was not at the right time, but it did little to help those living now. "The Hyena of Europe", as Churchill called Poland in 39, when she tore apart Czechoslovakia with Hitler, did not change its color. I do not want to offend hyenas with such a comparison, but in those days it was believed that a hyena was not able to hunt by itself, but eats pure carrion after lions. Churchill also proceeded from this knowledge when he compared Poland to an animal, but he did not know that hyenas could take prey from lions too.
  12. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 20 February 2014 09: 57
    +11
    The Poles lost a huge number of their people in that war, our country lost many soldiers when saving Poland, as a result of the war and solely out of the kindness of the USSR, Poland acquired territories. Do they expect to live forever? History has not taught? After all, God forbid, another redistribution will begin in Europe and after all sorts of vile things, Russia will treat Poland accordingly. And instead of "From Mozha to Mozha" there may be a dozen small but proud voivodeships!
    1. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 27 February 2014 19: 12
      0
      Quote: hohryakov066
      The Poles lost in that war a huge number of their people

      In 39, Poland, for two and a half weeks of fighting, lost 2% (TWO, this is not a typo) of the number of its troops. On September 8, when Hitler came to the old fortified areas of the Russian Empire, he wanted to conclude a peace treaty with the Poles with the separation for Germany of the territory taken from Germany as a result of the First World War, but he could not find at least someone capable of signing such an agreement, since already 11 September The Polish government declared itself the "Polish government in exile in London". Any country suffers great losses during a war if it resists, but then the enemy also suffers great losses. Likewise, a country can suffer great losses when it does not resist, then they are slaughtered like sheep. I have never seen the figures of the losses of the occupation troops in Poland, but you have to look, good idea! How many Germans lost their soldiers during the occupation of Poland?
  13. svskor80
    svskor80 20 February 2014 09: 59
    +7
    I agree with the author that Polish dashing and pride will sooner or later end in a deafening disaster in 1939. Then, by the way, the glorious gentlemen also did not believe that Germany would decide to destroy Poland. We in Russia need to learn the lessons of history and in its next round, to provide assistance to such small-grassed peoples selectively and with great benefit for ourselves.
  14. mountain
    mountain 20 February 2014 10: 12
    +5
    Once again proved their heroism, they can only fight with monuments.
  15. koksalek
    koksalek 20 February 2014 11: 03
    +6
    If the crew of the tank with four tankmen and a dog found out about the lack of mind of their relatives, the series would turn out faded and dull
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 20 February 2014 11: 24
      +2
      Ironically, the surname of the driver Gregory from the novel by Y. Pshimanovsky was Saakashvili. lol
      1. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 27 February 2014 19: 15
        +1
        Ironically, the name of Saakashvili was disgraced by the President of Georgia. (the president with a capital letter is not a typo).
    2. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 27 February 2014 19: 14
      0
      Apparently for the lively mind of the fictional characters of the series in Poland, the show was banned.
  16. Dimych from Vanino
    Dimych from Vanino 20 February 2014 11: 05
    +1
    Well, that’s what we are .... after all, they earn both fives and bread, well, there’s no such dibilism. This is spiritual homosexuality, to act as you do not think., Because you know. This is purely their national economic contribution to the power of NATO. GDP per capita. fellow
  17. inkass_98
    inkass_98 20 February 2014 11: 26
    +5
    Brave Poles are at war with a monument to a soldier in the territory that became their property as a result of the division of the lands of Germany, freed from Nazism by bloody executioners (this, incidentally, is painted on the monument).
    I saw an interview with an old veteran of the Craiova Army (who fought against the Red Army), so for some reason he was against the demolition of the monument. Looks bribed by the enemies of free Poland.
    How convenient it is to fight the dead, you won’t get a turnip.
  18. Blad_21617
    Blad_21617 20 February 2014 11: 36
    +3
    the Polish gentlemen have a short memory ... what a pity that during the war not all the Polish Army was wound on the tracks of the Wehrmacht’s panzer ... you look and would be more calm now
  19. 26rus
    26rus 20 February 2014 11: 37
    +6
    While serving in the SGV, I had a chance to talk to a Pole grandfather. When asked whether he had fought, he waved his hands and said that he was grazing horses on the estate of some German general. "We lived like cheese in butter, even ate from the master's table! as the radetskys came, it became absolutely disgusting for us. " And he also proved that the border was passing incorrectly, should be a thousand miles east. "So this is beyond Smolensk," I say. Well, well, he answers, Smolensk has been ours for centuries. I wanted to spit in the face, "heroes."
  20. Maximka7
    Maximka7 20 February 2014 12: 04
    +8
    My friend's wife is a Polish woman, an intelligent and beautiful-hearted girl. Somehow, over a glass of tea and during a conversation on abstract political topics, she said: "For the sake of fairness, I note that both Germans and Russians are equally hated in Poland. But since hatred of Germans is dangerous and not politically correct today, you stay." It is quite an honestly expressed position. In fact, the gentry hatred of Russia is boundless. It has been expressed dozens of times through the centuries in various military and political manifestations. In our time, it will pave the way for formulating the main trend in the attitude of Polish society towards Moscow: Warsaw revels in the role of the main guardian of Western values ​​in Eastern Europe. And in this capacity he thinks of himself as a counterweight to us.
    Sometimes I think that it was necessary to initiate the process of returning Germany the lands taken from her in favor of Poland.
  21. belmondi
    belmondi 20 February 2014 12: 07
    +2
    or maybe it’s easier for them to raise gas by 50 dollars ???
  22. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 20 February 2014 12: 09
    +4
    Only insignificant people can so relate to those who liberated and rescued them from the camps. The swaggering and arrogant beggarly gentlemen are trying to bite like a mongrel from the gateway. It is stinking from the Poles.
  23. Aleksandr65
    Aleksandr65 20 February 2014 12: 11
    +8
    Not a monument needs to be moved from a German city, but Poles from it
  24. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 20 February 2014 12: 18
    +5
    The Poles once again confirm that the historical hatred of Russia has been and remains their main feature in the relationship between our countries. Honor, conscience, decency, the whole nation, these are not the concepts that the Poles are experiencing in relation to the Russian people. My grandmother (Ukrainian) called them Poles. So I call them.
  25. Svetlana
    Svetlana 20 February 2014 12: 22
    +5
    Alexey, your articles are always filled with deep emotional pain for our Fatherland. And after reading this article, I could not hold back my tears. What are these ungrateful u.b.l.y.d.k. and (there are no other words for them!) Doing! Well, how could the West have had to sell itself "for a donut of tobacco" in order to allow such a thing in our country! If in the countries of Eastern Europe it would have been only on the part of semi-literate, dimwitted gopniks, the younger generation, somehow it would be possible, if not understand, then comment on such actions, but this is happening at the official level, encouraged and initiated by statesmen ! After all, they know history, understand WHAT they are doing! What are they counting on, kind Uncle Sam, who will save and protect them? Naive! Who needs them? Time will put everything in its place, all traitors will sooner or later receive what they deserve, you are right!
  26. korol yasheriz
    korol yasheriz 20 February 2014 12: 26
    +5
    People who are at war with monuments will be corrected only by a grave. Shallow pity, no honor.
  27. zeksus
    zeksus 20 February 2014 12: 29
    +3
    IN THE WORLD SHOULD BE JUSTICE !!!! No other way!!!! Denying your story is a big mistake leading to the degradation of society !!!! ANY EVIL WILL BE PUNISHED !!!!!
  28. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 20 February 2014 12: 42
    +2
    Representatives of different delegations agreed that the decision to demolish the monument in Poland is an unfriendly act towards Russia, as well as an event that is not far from typical vandalism.
    The “American Pole” Debicki writes the following (regarding the proposal to transport the monument from Poland to Russia):
    And well, let the Russians take to the monument, glorifying the man who was the ruthless executioner of Polish soldiers!

    Nietzsche was right - the Poles, like all "Western gayropeans", are "beasts covered with a fine varnish of civilization", the feeling of gratitude is alien to them, they had neither intelligence, nor honor, nor conscience.
    But the ignorant and wild Yankesian Pole apparently believes that the USSR fought not with Hitler, who occupied Poland, but with Poland.
  29. Achilles Pyatkin
    Achilles Pyatkin 20 February 2014 13: 17
    +4
    Poles throughout history have never shone anywhere. Not in the military field, and certainly not in the political one. All my life under whom this little wand has not fallen out. But, is there somewhere, outside this dishonest and shameless state, a monument glorifying at least some kind of little more heroic deeds of this people ?? If there is, then let us lay wreaths there, catch up with the journalists and send him to the homeland. I really think such fun will do here. Offended. laughing ..
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  31. Duke
    Duke 20 February 2014 13: 53
    +4
    Ivan Danilovich Chernyakhovsky (June 16 (29), 1906 - February 18, 1945) - Soviet military leader, army general. Twice Hero of the Soviet Union (1943, 1944).
    The youngest general in the army and the youngest front commander in the history of the Soviet Armed Forces.
    “In the person of Comrade Chernyakhovsky, the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks and the People's Commissars of the USSR and People’s Commissariat of Defense said in a statement, “the state lost one of the most talented young commanders who advanced during the Patriotic War.” This wording was used only twice. The first time at the funeral of N.F. Vatutin).
  32. Leisure
    Leisure 20 February 2014 14: 40
    +2
    Simply, Soviet monuments once again remind Aboriginal people of the insignificance of such an entity as Poland. Small dirty tricks. I agree that you need to erect a huge monument to Chernyakhovsky, on the border with the Poles, and put the monument facing Russia.
  33. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 20 February 2014 14: 44
    +1
    Listen! And it just dawned on me that this "American Pole" I'm absolutely surethat we fought against Poland, and not against Nazi Germany! Otherwise, his statement cannot be explained. Nightmare....
  34. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn 20 February 2014 15: 39
    +2
    I heard somewhere. After the war, the Psheks boasted - the Polish Army Berlin took, but the Russian one helped :))))
    1. 26rus
      26rus 20 February 2014 16: 32
      +2
      These are the words from their song. In the Polish Army this is the main marching song, like we have "Victory Day". More than once I heard them bellowing her on the parade ground.
  35. adg76
    adg76 20 February 2014 16: 37
    +2
    Question! Who brought troops into Czechoslovakia in 1938. Germans and Poles. Do not forget about it.
    1. 26rus
      26rus 20 February 2014 16: 59
      +1
      Absolutely right! Poland chopped off during the partition of Czechoslovakia the so-called Teshinsky region. But it must be added that Hungary also had a hand there, occupying Podkarat Russia (now Transcarpathian region).
  36. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn 20 February 2014 16: 49
    0
    What can I say about them? As they were a worthless nation - an ethnographic misunderstanding, it is no better now. Puff, jump out of his pants. Just that at least someone would pay attention to them.
  37. michał
    michał 20 February 2014 17: 55
    -2
    Why do you hate Poles so much?
    We just want to clear the rubbish of the Soviet occupation .... 50 years is enough.
    Poland is not Belarus or Ukraine, you cannot tell her what to do.
    Unable to put false heroes monuments.
    Ivan Chernyakhovsky slyly lured AK-partisanob into conversation and arrested them, and the NKVD killed them.
    He is such a hero ...
    We thank you for your heroes, we do not need them - knock everything to ourselves ..
    In this place, there should be a monument to the memory of the victims of Katyn or Siberian exiles.
    Sorry for the errors, but I used an electronic translator.
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn 20 February 2014 18: 25
      +4
      And why should we love the Poles and Poland - the people of Russia? For the Polish invasion and False Dmitry? For the outbreak of World War II? For shooting in the backs of our soldiers? I suspect that not all Poles are narrow-minded Russophobes, but their state is just that. Poland is a mongrel of Europe.
      1. 26rus
        26rus 20 February 2014 19: 20
        +2
        Quote: Riperbahn
        not all Poles are narrow-minded Russophobes,

        I absolutely agree with you, among the Poles there were a lot of adequate and quite friendly towards the Russians (Radetsky). But, I am afraid, over the years, their brains have thoroughly fallen ....
    2. parus2nik
      parus2nik 20 February 2014 19: 34
      +4
      clean up the rubbish of the Soviet occupation ... whyoooooooooooo? The USSR has presented you with almost the whole of Prussia besides Keningsberg .. Maybe we can erect a monument to the Anders army, which fell down in the midst of the Battle of Stalingrad, we remember and honor October 12 - 13, 1943, when the first battle of the 1st Polish Infantry Division took place near Lenino, Mogilev Region named after Tadeusz Kosciuszko, who attacked German defensive positions and, in cooperation with units of the 42nd and 290th Soviet infantry divisions, caused significant damage to the enemy, they took Trigubovo and Popolzukhino. Three soldiers of the Polish division were awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, 247 were awarded orders and medals. And I don’t remember raids on the German rear of the AK soldiers ... sat like mice .. Waiting for instructions from London .. About your London government .. you are silent about that the Sikorsky government for a long time was at war with the USSR .. that is, de jure Poland was an ally of Hitler ..
      1. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 27 February 2014 19: 36
        0
        Quote: parus2nik
        Maybe we still put a monument to the army of Anders

        But Andersen’s army was formed in December 1941. And not one platoon of this army took part in the battles, in the flesh before the battles in Italy, when they were almost escorted to the front line. The Poles curse the English command, for which they threw the Poles for slaughter under German machine guns. The British command says that the delivery of Polish troops to the front did not force the Poles to attack German positions.
        When our command agreed with A. Kovtsi to create a bridge across the Vistula to deliver military supplies to Warsaw, A. Kovtsy indicated the landing site and with the onset of night left this place without a fight. A whole battalion of our soldiers got caught in the crossfire, not one survived. For A. Kovtsev, the policy of hatred for the "liberators" was higher than hatred for the Germans.
    3. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 27 February 2014 19: 25
      0
      At first, our soldiers asked: "Madam, there is no bread?" "There were not many, but the Germans took all of them." Then they joked: "Madam, do you have syphilis?" "There was not much, but the Germans took everything!"
  38. parus2nik
    parus2nik 20 February 2014 19: 38
    0
    To demolish the Polish memorial complex near Smolensk .. And then the fashion of the Hungarians to their "innocently murdered" erects monuments, which the stars on the back of Soviet soldiers were cut by the Poles .. but our innocent victims do not remember ..
    1. 26rus
      26rus 20 February 2014 20: 07
      +1
      Or maybe put a monument to Susanin next?
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  40. Johnnie_walker
    Johnnie_walker 21 February 2014 10: 52
    0
    It is disgusting to see how now the Poles fawn and suck up to the same Germans, and such a boorish and unfair attitude towards the Russians. For so many years they have been procrastinating on this disc about the "crimes of communism", but they have completely forgotten how the Germans totally destroyed the Polish culture and intelligentsia. Indeed, "the jackal of Europe" (c) Churchill
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 21 February 2014 12: 24
      0
      Churchill Poland - the hyena of Europe.
  41. michał
    michał 22 February 2014 01: 28
    0
    Quote: Johnnie_Walker
    It is disgusting to see how now the Poles fawn and suck up to the same Germans, and such a boorish and unfair attitude towards the Russians. For so many years they have been procrastinating on this disc about the "crimes of communism", but they have completely forgotten how the Germans totally destroyed the Polish culture and intelligentsia. Indeed, "the jackal of Europe" (c) Churchill


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