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We have yet to answer for Sevastopol. By "a new campaign against the Crimea" in the Turkish media

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A few days ago an article appeared in the most influential Turkish newspaper Hürriyet, in which the author courageously penetrates the idea of ​​230 years into the past. Then the Kuchuk-Kaynardzhiysky treaty between the Russian and Ottoman empires, under which Crimea withdrew to Russia, was concluded. But not just like that, but with a burden - if the peninsula is handed over to someone else or declares independence, Istanbul has the right to take it back from Moscow.


According to the author, the agreement is still valid and Turkey could use its right back in 1991, when Crimea became part of the third state - Ukraine. However, then she graciously took into account the “changes in the general world conjuncture” and refused to take this step. Today, the situation in Ukraine has reached the point that the Crimean authorities have openly declared their readiness to secede from Kiev in the event of a victory for the maydanschiki. According to the Turkish author, this step will give his homeland the legal right to “take control of the Crimea” and intercept the rebellious peninsula before it tries to reunite with Russia.

In parallel, in another respectable edition of Zaman, an anecdotal column of exposing quality appeared. Allegedly, a certain American scientist reread the same Kuchuk-Kaynardzhiysky treaty and found that everything in it is not the way it is considered. What was said about the sultan, was actually related to Russia, and vice versa. In fact, the treaty strengthened the importance of the sultan as a spiritual leader and increased the authority of the Caliphate and so on. (To present the level of adequacy of the publication, it is enough to present a U-turn somewhere in Kommersant under the heading “Russia ponders territorial claims on Turkey, China and Italy thanks to the discoveries of Academician Fomenko”).

However, the article is not fiction, it appeared where it appeared. Consequently, the Turks' interest in the Kucuk-Kaynardzhiy Treaty broke out not by chance, and we have another information campaign. Readers carefully hinted that a geopolitical fork emerges in the Black Sea region, which will not allow Russia to intensify. For her, the Crimea is practically useless as part of the anti-Russian project “Ukraine”, but as soon as it leaves the project, Turkey immediately gets a reason to get its hands on the peninsula. It would seem a win-win option.

Now a few words about why this is not so. Contract in question, long ago lost force by mutual consent, that is, after Moscow and Kars treaties 1921 Then, the Russian Federation and the Republic of Turkey, the two formed after the First World State, recognized the territorial integrity of each other within the current borders, as well as abolished the effect of all the agreements that have been concluded between governments earlier. Everything that happened up to this point, has lost validity.

Fork here, however, is really there, but quite different.

The Republic of Turkey is not the successor of the entire Ottoman Empire, but only parts of it. At one time, this allowed the Ataturk Republic to remove international financial control from the country and did not pay the Ottoman debts in full. So modern Turkey is a young democracy, which is about to become the first hundred years old. Even Istanbul as a subject of geopolitics is no longer there, but there is Ankara. For this reason alone, the Turkish Republic is not worth trying to take the place of one of the parties to an 230-old treaty. If she is not the Ottoman heir, then there is nothing to talk about, and if she is, then in the 1921 year everything has already been said. The current Russia, by the way, has paid off the debts of the past government in full - and is the undisputed legal successor of the RSFSR.

However, there is still a nuance. Declare yourself today Turkey a full-fledged successor to the Ottoman Empire, as the long-cocked trap of Armenia will shut on its budget. The candidate country of the Customs Union has a powerful lobby in France, and together they sleep and see how to make Turkey accept responsibility for the Armenian genocide. Until now, the snag was that it was no less absurd to condemn Kemalists for the crimes of the old Porta than the guards of the Islamic Revolution in Iran for torturing the Shah’s secret police or the Bolsheviks for suppressing peasant revolts in Tsarist Russia. Armenian historians and publicists are still publishing serious materials entirely devoted to proving the actual continuity of regimes in order to claim compensation from Turkey.

It’s another matter if Turkey itself recognizes itself as the legal successor of the Ottoman Empire. The case will be smelled by an international tribunal faster than the word “Crimea” is uttered in Ankara.

Of course, this does not negate the well-known sad fact - in the 25 years of hard times, Turkish investments and assistance programs rained down on the peninsula, mainly improving the living conditions of the friendly Crimean Tatar population and promoting its culture. Up to the absolutely legal representation of the Ministry of Religion of Turkey in Yalta, which is responsible for the expansion of Islam. The demographics began to shift, long before the “People’s Rada” a ready-made alternative government appeared - the Mejlis. It was in the Crimea, and not somewhere else, that the black flags of the Islamists flashed on the demonstrations. These, too, did not waste time in vain, their preachers leaked to the peninsula as if they were going home. In this light, the mention of “caches” and “help from Turkish comrades” in the recently revealed correspondence of maydanschiki with people from the Mejlis does not surprise anyone.

This is a reality, the Crimea is really not in a position to simply take and dissolve with Kiev. It can be prevented by one force - not a moss-rich contract, not a Turkish army or maydanschiki not powerless in the Crimea, but a local underground equipped, trained and armed by Arabs and Turks. But, as we well know from Libya and Syria, not a single such underground is able to act without constant support from abroad, and it, in turn, requires the active support of citizens of a foreign country.

Probably, this we owe the appearance of populist articles in serious journals.
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  1. svskor80
    svskor80 19 February 2014 06: 23
    +33
    This is to talk about whether Russia needs the Black Sea Fleet. It seems that if our fleet, as in Soviet times, was a leading regional force, then the Turks did not even pick out about Crimea. How many around those who want to profit free then.
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 19 February 2014 07: 23
      +11
      Quote: svskor80
      How many around those who want to profit free then.

      From a dead donkey ears dreaming of profit. While Russia has its hands tied with the Olympics, every pug tries to bark. The Olympics is not eternal. It can happen as in a joke.
      The hare ran through the woods and sees a pit, but in the pit the wolf sits and cannot get out. Hare
      he was glad he took a shit on a wolf and ran away, ran home and thinks:
      - The same time in my life, - could not stand it, again ran to the pit. After
      he runs home and thinks:
      - Then all my life I will regret it, if I have not scoffed at the wolf.
      He ran a third time to the pit, pushed, pushed, and fell down there.
      - Do not believe it, wolf, apologized.
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 19 February 2014 10: 12
        +9
        Quote: Sirocco
        From a dead donkey's ears

        And they won’t even get ears! Thank God we are not Serbia and not Libya! But the fleet needs to be strengthened and very fast! Events are growing like a snowball! hi drinks

        Even ears will not receive!
        Fuck you Turks, not Crimea
        From the ears of an ear-donkey
        We will definitely give it back!
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 19 February 2014 11: 35
          -18%
          Quote: Arberes
          Thank God we are not Serbia and not Libya!

          Yes, where does YOU and Russia! Crimea belongs to Ukraine! If they demand it, so with them, what do you mean? Yes, and the Turks do not require Crimea. Just help economically bad chtoli.
          and I’m generally silent about the Armenian political scientists and historians cited in the article. Give them freedom, they will ascribe to themselves half a world long ago laughing
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 19 February 2014 11: 56
            +4
            Quote: smersh70
            Yes, where does YOU and Russia! Crimea belongs to Ukraine!

            And before it belonged to Russia, and before that of the Ottoman Empire, and before that of Byzantium. This does not mean anything, to keep the territory an army is needed, and without an army all these treaties have a place in the toilet.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 19 February 2014 12: 21
              -4
              Quote: Setrac
              And before it belonged to Russia, and before that of the Ottoman Empire, and before that of Byzantium

              and before that to primitive people And what. fool right now you will reach the dinosaurs. In the courtyard of the Shas 21 century. there is a state with its own borders, universally recognized. And if you want Crimea, take the machine and go !!!!
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 19 February 2014 12: 34
                +3
                Quote: smersh70
                and before that to primitive people And what. right now you will reach the dinosaurs.

                So I’m telling you this, it makes no sense to appeal that once something belonged to someone. Now Russians live there.
          2. Arberes
            Arberes 19 February 2014 11: 56
            +6
            Quote: smersh70
            Crimea belongs to Ukraine! If they demand it, so with them, you have to do with it.

            Absolutely right, they will demand from Ukraine, and deal with us!
            Quote: smersh70
            Yes, and the Turks do not require Crimea.

            Well, okay, personally, I am pleased that everything was so resolved!
            Quote: smersh70
            Just help economically bad chtoli.

            Will help manifest itself in strengthening the Wahhabi influence on the minds of Crimean Tatars? Well, know, I personally am against it!
            Yes in addition to the topic. ROMANIA is already openly talking about territorial claims on some regions of Ukraine! It is naive to believe that Turkey will remain on the sidelines, if God forbid, smells the redistribution of a weakening neighbor in front of our eyes! Crimea is such a tidbit, isn't it smersh70 (2)
            Quote: smersh70
            but about the Armenian political scientists and historians cited in the article

            Armenian trace again? About Crimea now only the lazy one does not write! No need to translate everything on the Armenian theme! wink
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 19 February 2014 12: 23
              -1
              Quote: Arberes
              Will help manifest itself in strengthening the Wahhabi influence on the minds of Crimean Tatars?

              Wahhabites chtoli rule in Turkey, about which you are a secular state, not Saudi Arabia.
              Quote: Arberes
              Crimea is such a tidbit, isn't it smersh70 (2)

              Turkey has its own problems to get into territorial disputes with Ukraine.
              Quote: Arberes
              Armenian trace again? About Crimea now only the lazy one does not write! No need to translate everything on the Armenian theme!

              I quoted from an article, ask the author, not mine smile
          3. Sirocco
            Sirocco 19 February 2014 12: 57
            +3
            Quote: smersh70
            Yes, where do you and Russia!

            You have respected some kind of double standards, among the citizens of Azerbaijan, considering the topic of Iran, someone here shouted about the Iranian territories, they say they belong to Azerbaijan, and they propose to call Azerbaijan Southern, and Iranian territories Northern. How shoud I understand this ? What does Azerbaijan have to do with it?
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 19 February 2014 13: 14
              0
              Quote: Sirocco
              You have some respected double standards,

              This is not ours, but some of your citizens have double standards. If you hold on to the integrity of your country, you must hold on to other states. We, suffering from separatism, always stand for the integrity of all states that have problems with the claims of neighbors. For example, -Serbia. When we decided to secede Kosovo, we immediately returned our peacekeeping contingent from there. We have excellent relations with Serbia, and the Minister of Defense signed an agreement with them yesterday.
              Quote: Sirocco
              someone shouted about Iranian territories, they say they belong to Azerbaijan, and

              who shouted at him and ask. We have no territorial claim to Iran and such an appeal has never been at the state level. Once Elchibey said this and lost his post. So, right now, we support the territorial integrity of Ukraine and Russia against all separatist statements
              1. hrych
                hrych 19 February 2014 18: 00
                +2
                The integrity of the country is determined not by standards, but by the ability to ensure this integrity. Serbia failed, their problems, their leader and society were not ready to fight to the end, so the people paid with torn children. The victory was in the hands of the Serbs, the entire NATO armada was demoralized, the air strikes did not break the Serbs, there was not even any talk of a ground operation. Then there was a mistake or betrayal, but rather, Milosevic did not have enough spirit.

                Everything goes to the death of a non-state called Vukraina and Odessa, and Kiev and Crimea will return home, i.e. to Russia. This transition will be ensured not by Russia's actions, but by the folly of banderlogs and of course the Russian and pro-Russian majority of the population.
          4. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 19 February 2014 13: 52
            +5
            It belongs to Ukraine by the will of the tyrant Khrushchev, but this will be corrected in the near future, according to the article I’ll just say that the Turks (Ottomans) as a regional power are certainly serious, but the Russian Federation is no longer 90 so they will climb it at the very worst, and add them to there will be someone in the region and NATO will not stick with a serious mix, it’s all the erdrogan with his crazy plans, his ears are rustling from his national policy.
            I didn’t minus you and I don’t get so much negativity from your kament.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 19 February 2014 21: 37
              0
              Quote: tilovaykrisa
              I didn’t minus you and
              Thank!)))
              Quote: tilovaykrisa
              I understand where so much negativity is for your kament.
              Yes, sometimes it’s necessary to polemicize)) and then I looked, some calls, and the other side has not yet pulled myself up)) on the Maidan, I had to take the whole blow fellow
              By the way, if you write at the beginning of comments, read everything and give ratings, but if you say the same thing at the end of comments, then no one will pay attention to you at all smile
          5. dark_65
            dark_65 20 February 2014 23: 41
            0
            And there is nothing to answer, a naive oriental young man, but just go your own way, they will immediately explain that you just need to help, and you will be poor relatives of the Turks.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 21 February 2014 00: 01
              0
              Quote: dark_65
              And there is nothing to answer, a naive oriental young man

              and why respond to frivolous calls, my dear almost peer wink
              Quote: dark_65
              Yes, just go your own way, they will immediately explain
              Yes, we are going our own way and no one shows us the way. There are no color revolutions, no coups and no one decides us. Here we only respect the interests of great countries, this is understandable. We don’t live in the attic of the earth.
              Quote: dark_65
              you will be poor relatives of the Turks.
              Well, let's not talk about poverty)) thank God, they are self-sufficient enough, although relatives are to the Turks))
    2. v53993
      v53993 19 February 2014 08: 08
      +18
      This is to talk about whether Russia needs the Black Sea Fleet

      I am sure that a strong Russian Black Sea Fleet is a guarantee of excellent knowledge of the history of Turkey. And then dangle between a solid two and a weak three. This, however, applies to others who want to naughty on occasion.
    3. Kazakhstan
      Kazakhstan 19 February 2014 08: 09
      +3
      I completely agree.
    4. jjj
      jjj 19 February 2014 10: 24
      +6
      Do you think the Turks themselves thought of talking about the Crimea? Right now. This is a party in the general orchestra of pressure on Russia. By the way, we have long dreamed of releasing Constantinople and getting the straits
    5. Very old
      Very old 19 February 2014 14: 48
      0
      WELL...
      Not Cyprus
  2. Gav-111
    Gav-111 19 February 2014 06: 23
    +9
    Especially for the "dreaming" Turks - DO NOT WAIT! angry
  3. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 19 February 2014 07: 22
    +17
    Abnormal vocabulary is torn. They climbed everything from the Baltic to the Black Sea, except for a fist they understand nothing. Because weakened, almost buried their allies - the army and navy. And Ukraine is still ..weak link.
    1. Kazakhstan
      Kazakhstan 19 February 2014 08: 10
      +4
      I completely agree. Such is the essence of man and nature, if weak, then the strong strives to absorb.
  4. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 19 February 2014 07: 23
    +20
    from the Don.
    Thanks to the author! Crimea is a headache for Moscow! It’s time, it’s time to take Khrushchev’s present back!
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 19 February 2014 07: 45
      +4
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      It's time, it's time to take Khrushchev's gift back!

      Easy giving but hard to believe. Do you think nothing was brought to the Crimea Tatars? I think not, for the last 20 years they have been imported for a similar scenario, you take an interest in how many native Tatars came to Crimea, 15-20 percent, the rest is so extras from other regions. And not the best, these are those people who have not got along with their own, as in the case of the USA, not the best representatives of society, rushed there. In the hope of a freebie. So what for are we kindred, it’s better to be an orphan. Or at least bring the Tatars to the Turks. (It’s no secret that Turkey finances the militants of the Crimean Tatars.) And then talk about the return of the gift.
      1. borisjdin1957
        borisjdin1957 19 February 2014 08: 00
        +10
        from the Don.
        In the early 90s, I met in Novorossiysk with a Turk who was going to the Crimea. The question is: why?: - Homeland! So it’s not so simple. Moreover, they lived here not frailly, but there is a clean field. ! Turks-militants turn their heads! On our land, we will restore order!
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 19 February 2014 11: 37
          -4
          Quote: borisjdin1957
          . To the question-: why?: - Homeland! So not everything is so simple

          And what remains for him to do. To live where Stalin sent him.
          Quote: borisjdin1957
          Turks-fighters turn their heads

          but you’ve even seen them, even the SNB cannot find them in the mountains of Crimea, and you’ve already chopped off their heads.
          1. screw cutter
            screw cutter 19 February 2014 12: 19
            +3
            Quote: smersh70
            Quote: borisjdin1957
            . To the question-: why?: - Homeland! So not everything is so simple

            And what remains for him to do. To live where Stalin sent him.
            Quote: borisjdin1957
            Turks-fighters turn their heads

            And why did Stalin send them, in the know? Do they want to pretend to be lambs?
            but you’ve even seen them, even the SNB cannot find them in the mountains of Crimea, and you’ve already chopped off their heads.

            There is such an old joke about the Elusive Joe. When power is venal, you can close your eyes to anything.
      2. Kazakhstan
        Kazakhstan 19 February 2014 08: 11
        0
        I completely agree.
        1. alone
          alone 21 February 2014 00: 07
          0
          Quote: Kazakhstan
          It's time.

          Quote: Kazakhstan
          I completely agree.

          Quote: Kazakhstan
          It's time.

          Quote: Kazakhstan
          I completely agree.




          laughing
      3. typhoon7
        typhoon7 19 February 2014 14: 40
        +1
        It seems that Crimea should be ours anyway. Other options dig into our side with a pitchfork.
    2. Kazakhstan
      Kazakhstan 19 February 2014 08: 11
      0
      It's time.
    3. alex13-61
      alex13-61 19 February 2014 10: 47
      +4
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      ! It's time, it's time to take Khrushchev's gift back!

      Guys!!! When do we (Crimeans) finally wait for this ??? It is clear that under the EBN, autonomy rights were shrunk ... Now the parliament is asking for support and where is it ???
  5. albert
    albert 19 February 2014 07: 38
    +11
    We will answer them so that the Turks will give us Constantinople with the straits, if only they would not answer again! angry
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 19 February 2014 07: 55
      0
      Quote: albert
      We will answer them so that the Turks will give us Constantinople with the straits, if only they would not answer again! angry

      Nifiha himself))) But NATO has already disappeared belay
      1. TS3sta3
        TS3sta3 19 February 2014 10: 42
        +6
        NATO will not start a nuclear war over Turkey.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 19 February 2014 11: 32
        +5
        Quote: Yeraz
        Nifiha himself))) But NATO has already disappeared

        What will NATO do? NATO will not fight against Russia for remote territories, only the Young Europeans do not understand this.
    2. v53993
      v53993 19 February 2014 08: 14
      +8
      so we will answer that the Turks will give us Constantinople with the straits

      A very real perspective, in my opinion. By the way, where did the shield go that our ancestors nailed to the gate for memory? The Basurmans have forgotten the power of Russian weapons. It's time to refresh your memory.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 19 February 2014 08: 56
        0
        Quote: v53993
        By the way, where did the shield go that our ancestors nailed to the gate for memory?

        how should the Turks know where ??))) This is a question for the Greeks, learn a story)))
        Quote: v53993
        A very real perspective, in my opinion.

        Well, in principle, looking at your knowledge, this is of course a very real prospect fellow Even taking Paris with Berlin is more realistic))))))
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 19 February 2014 15: 01
          0
          Turks also know, I assure you. For many centuries, almost all the peoples of the world have known the power of Russian weapons. Restore Russia as soon as possible former silushka.
      2. Svetlana
        Svetlana 19 February 2014 14: 55
        +1
        “In the year 6415 (907). Oleg went to the Greeks, leaving Igor in Kiev; He took with him a multitude of Varangians, and Slovenians, and Chudi, and Krivichi, and Meru, and Drevlyans, and Radimichs, and Polyans, and Northerners, and Vyatichi, and Croats, and Dulebs, and Tivertsy, known as Tolmachi: all of them were called Greeks "Great Scythia". And with all of these Oleg went on horses and in ships; and there were 2000 ships. And he came to Constantinople: the Greeks closed the Judgment, and the city was closed. And Oleg went ashore, and began to fight, and committed many murders in the vicinity of the city to the Greeks, and broke many chambers, and burned churches. And those who were captured, some were excised, others were tortured, others were shot, and some were thrown into the sea, and the Russians did many other evil things to the Greeks, as enemies usually do. "
        Oleg put his ships on wheels and, in a fair wind, moved across the field to Constantinople. Frightened Greeks asked for peace, carried poisoned wine and food, which Oleg did not accept. Then the Greeks agreed to Oleg’s terms: to pay 12 hryvnia to each soldier, to make separate payments in favor of the princes of Kiev, Chernigov, Pereyaslavl, Polotsk, Rostov, Lyubech and other cities. Novgorod was not included in the list of cities, which is consistent with the archaeological date of the city (after 931 year). According to the PVL, tribute is also indicated in the 12 hryvnia “for the oarlock”, which leaves the equestrian participants of the campaign without compensation.
        In addition to one-time payments, a permanent tribute was imposed on Byzantium and an agreement was concluded (907 agreement of the year), regulating the stay and trade of Russian merchants in Byzantium. After mutual vows, Oleg hung a shield on the gates of Constantinople as a sign of victory, then ordered the Greeks to sew the sails: for Russia from pavoloks (gold-woven silk), to the Slavs from koprin (plain silk). According to the annals, upon returning to Kiev with rich booty, the people nicknamed Oleg Veshchim.
        Source: http://ru.wikipedia.org
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 19 February 2014 14: 59
          0
          Quote: Svetlana
          And he came to Constantinople

          Did he come to Tsaritsin?
          1. alone
            alone 19 February 2014 20: 07
            +2
            Quote: Setrac
            Did he come to Tsaritsin?

            laughing In Russian annals, Istanbul was called Constantinople.
            1. sds555
              sds555 19 February 2014 20: 10
              +1
              Then it was called Constantinople, the capital of the Byzantine Empire (the former Eastern Roman Empire)
              1. hrych
                hrych 19 February 2014 20: 33
                +2
                It was called New Rome, it began to be called Constantinople only in the Greek clerical writings.
                1. sds555
                  sds555 19 February 2014 23: 39
                  0
                  It was so named after the ROMAN emperor Constantine
                  On May 11, 330, Constantine officially transferred the capital of the Roman Empire to a city on the Bosphorus and named it New Rome, Constantinople.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 20 February 2014 00: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: sds555
                    It was so named after the ROMAN emperor Constantine

                    Well then, answer me in honor of whom the Romanian city of Constanta, which is located near the mouth of the Danube, is named? Remake the name in Greek fashion? Constant ..... tinople? What a coincidence? In Romania, there are the ONLY ethnic Romans on the planet, another accident, and they have a key port that controls all trade through the Danube with Europe - Constanta, are there many accidents?
                    Or maybe the chronicles of Constantinople and Constantinople are two different cities? And some are sure that Istanbul is ancient Jerusalem, the one that is in the Bible.
                  2. hrych
                    hrych 20 February 2014 21: 42
                    +2
                    From the ground up to the fall, the city was called New Rome, even the darned Wikipedia calls the word Constantinople an unofficial, left-wing name. And Konstantin did not transfer the capital anywhere, but built a new capital again, getting rid of Satanist rot, which allowed the Roman Empire (not the East Roman and the more so not the Byzantine one, by the name of a fucking fishing village) to last a thousand years longer. Akhenaten tried to do the same by building the new capital Ahet-Aton, taking the courtyard away from the priests - Satanists of Amon. But he was killed, and his son, although he denied, became a young mummy of Tutankhamun (by birth Tutankhaton).

                    Wikipedia, by the way, writes:

                    "After the death of the Western Roman Empire (476), the Eastern Empire is traditionally called the Western term Byzantine Empire or simply Byzantium, although it never had a self-name, and until the end of Byzantium's existence, the empire was called Romeian (that is, Roman), and its inhabitants were called Romans (Romans) ". Here the cunning Greeks were cunning and continue to be cunning, trying to appropriate the merits of the great Romans. If the Greeks excelled in anything, only the betrayal of the Romans in favor of the Ottomans and everyone should know this.
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 19 February 2014 23: 01
              +1
              Quote: lonely
              In Russian annals, Istanbul was called Constantinople.

              I understand this, BUT the names Constantinople and Tsaritsino are too identical for it to be an accident, and knowing how historians lie to please the authorities, we can assume that in the chronicles they lie, in the sense not of chroniclers, but historians who "found" these chronicles ...
              1. alone
                alone 19 February 2014 23: 34
                0
                Quote: Setrac
                I understand that, BUT the names Tsargrad and Tsaritsino are too identical


                Well, the root of the name is the word King.

                Sometimes the story of its antiquity is not grateful to the story, but to those who write it. This is an incontrovertible fact.
  6. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 19 February 2014 07: 48
    +10
    In vain the Crimean Tatars are counting on power in the Crimea, no one will ever allow them to do this, especially under the slogans under which they are united. Ukraine and Crimea are not Yugoslavia, not Libya, and not Syria. Here the option of at least some revolution will not pass.
    1. avt
      avt 19 February 2014 10: 39
      +4
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Ukraine and Crimea are not Yugoslavia, not Libya, and not Syria. Here the option of at least some revolution will not pass.

      Never say never . It will pass if they are allowed to pass, and Yanukovych is following Milosevic's schedule, even ahead of him. In Crimea and Turkey, the first decision will be made by the GDP with Erdogan, if he does not merge before the amers, but judging by the way he figured out with his attempt to "spring" - a serious man. So do not get excited and do not swing your swords like at the beginning of the war in Syria, Crimea is very serious, here, like on the edge - a step to the right, a step to the left and fell. He pushed harder and blood. but you can't stay too long!
  7. koksalek
    koksalek 19 February 2014 07: 54
    +6
    And there is nothing written that America is high time to give us Alaska with interest?
    1. v53993
      v53993 19 February 2014 08: 16
      +5
      give us alaska with interest

      Do not give, but return. It will be more accurate.
  8. Yeraz
    Yeraz 19 February 2014 07: 59
    -11%
    It’s best for everyone to calm down Crimea, the recognized territory of Ukraine and its part. And if in Russia they first start, let’s separate, why be offended by the Turks?
    1. Twilight
      Twilight 19 February 2014 08: 20
      +6
      As it’s not clear, dear what you wanted to say with your statement winkedOr do you like the sabbath that was arranged - if you don’t stop then it will roll across the Independent Square (((
      1. TS3sta3
        TS3sta3 19 February 2014 11: 37
        +5
        it’s an ordinary Russophobe-provocateur, for him the worse it is, the better, the builder of the Internet is tuna.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 19 February 2014 12: 25
          -1
          Quote: TS3sta3
          this is an ordinary Russophobe provocateur,

          if he is, then you are a separatist and a provocateur doubly! Demanding land from your Slav brothers! Power comes and goes, but the people and the country remain for your information !!!!!! 1
          1. TS3sta3
            TS3sta3 19 February 2014 12: 33
            +1
            ! Demand land from your Slav brothers

            where did i say that? I don’t need to ascribe other people's words. watch out for expressions!
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 19 February 2014 12: 40
            +1
            Quote: smersh70
            Demand land from your Slavic brothers! Power comes and goes, but the people and the country remain for your information !!!!!!

            No need to turn upside down, it is Germany and the USA longing for Russian lands belonging to the Russian state of Ukraine. It is the Germans and the Anglo-Saxons who are organizing a military coup in Ukraine, but they are not taken by the Ukrainians at all, but very much the other way around, are enemies.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 19 February 2014 13: 19
              0
              Quote: Setrac
              Russian lands belonging to the Russian state of Ukraine.

              there is a state of Ukraine, there is its land. there is no Russian state Ukraine. Although I would like to look at the Constitution of this country.
              TS3sta3
              Quote: Setrac
              where did i say that? I don’t need to ascribe other people's words

              Well, if you didn’t speak, I don’t mind against it, but some of the writers say that. Look at what Setrac writes
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 19 February 2014 14: 12
                0
                Quote: smersh70
                Well, if you didn’t speak, I don’t mind against it, but some of the writers say that. Look at what Setrac writes

                However, I also have no requirement to return Crimea, and in other topics too.
        2. Yeraz
          Yeraz 19 February 2014 14: 27
          -5
          Quote: TS3sta3
          it’s an ordinary Russophobe-provocateur, for him the worse it is, the better, the builder of the Internet is tuna.

          Hey umnik. What am I a provocateur ??? In saying that it was the lands of Ukraine and I don’t drive the Turks here because of one article in their newspaper, when calls were made to annex Crimea to Russia almost every day ???
          A provocateur and a liar here YOU !!
          1. TS3sta3
            TS3sta3 19 February 2014 18: 55
            -1
            Hey nerd. What am I a provocateur ???

            by your comments in other topics you have proved who you are. there is nothing complicated: incitement, provocation and insult. don't pretend to be an innocent sheep.
            A provocateur and a liar here YOU !!

            Do you have evidence? or as always?
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 19 February 2014 21: 47
              +1
              Quote: TS3sta3
              by your comments in other topics you have proved who you are. there is nothing complicated: incitement, provocation and insult. don't pretend to be an innocent sheep.

              In a stranger’s eye, a speck, but in your log you can’t see. Well, surprisingly.
              Quote: TS3sta3
              Do you have evidence?

              Maybe you have it as always ?? Although wait a while I realized that calling Kazakhs Cossacks and considering Russia an empire colonizing some territories is an insult to you, then live with it. This is my opinion.
              1. TS3sta3
                TS3sta3 20 February 2014 13: 17
                0
                you're an ordinary balabol, albeit a chauvinist.
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 20 February 2014 16: 08
                  -1
                  Quote: TS3sta3
                  you're an ordinary balabol, albeit a chauvinist.

                  Balabol you and the chauvinist too. All close.
                  1. TS3sta3
                    TS3sta3 20 February 2014 19: 29
                    -1
                    I follow my own words, unlike you. stop hysteria.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 19 February 2014 10: 15
      +3
      Quote: Yeraz
      Crimea is recognized territory of Ukraine and its part.

      Do Crimeans recognize this? And, apparently, give only the opportunity - they will go to Russia with songs!
      By the way, pay attention to the "coincidence" of dates! The "respected editions" started talking just before the massacre in Kiev was to begin !!! It's not for nothing !!!
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 19 February 2014 11: 41
        -6
        Quote: Egoza
        Do Crimeans recognize this?

        maybe you still talk about the right of nations to self-determination)))
        Quote: Egoza
        Apparently, give only the opportunity - they will go to Russia with songs!

        Well, if each community is given such a will, then a mess will begin. By the way, give only the opportunity to some representatives of some nations in Russia, then they will go wherever they look with songs !!!!
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 19 February 2014 11: 58
          +3
          Quote: smersh70
          maybe you still talk about the right of nations to self-determination)))

          And we’ll talk, and not only Crimeans, but also Irish, Scots, American Indians and so on.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 19 February 2014 12: 27
            +1
            Quote: Setrac
            And we’ll talk, and not only Crimeans, but also Irish, Scots, American Indians and so on.

            and then Germans, Japanese, Chechens, Kazan Tatars. What do you like ..... Write nonsense in the light of Ukrainian events. And the article is just no words. PROVOCATOR ,,,,
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 19 February 2014 12: 33
              +5
              Quote: smersh70
              and then the Germans, Japanese, Chechens, Kazan Tatars. Well, what do you like .....

              You see, dear, this is already happening against Russia, and to appeal that THIS will be directed against us is simply ridiculous, THIS IS ALREADY HAPPENING. Will they kill us twice or thrice?
              Quote: smersh70
              . Write nonsense in the light of Ukrainian events. And the article is just no words. PROVOCATOR ,,,,

              Provocateurs at the moment, while you are tapping the keys, they are killing and robbing in Kiev. Kiev is the mother of Russian cities, but where are her sons?
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 19 February 2014 13: 22
                0
                Quote: Setrac
                they kill and rob in Kiev. Kiev is the mother of Russian cities, but where are her sons?

                It was necessary to think when he, the main son of Kiev, was supported and brought to power hi Yushchenko groaned, understandably, but did not think that he was 2 convicted, the little player in the hands of Renat could not rule the state.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 19 February 2014 14: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: smersh70
                  It was necessary to think when he, the main son of Kiev, was supported and brought to power

                  Who brought? No, be unfounded.
                2. alex13-61
                  alex13-61 19 February 2014 18: 26
                  0
                  Quote: smersh70
                  Oohali Yushchenko

                  And what is there to cry ... a man stupidly left time (time) without doing anything ... Twice tried, at least he tried something: rigs (albeit at unrealistic prices ... a solar station ...)
            2. TS3sta3
              TS3sta3 19 February 2014 12: 37
              +1
              article - just no words. PROVOCATOR ,,,,

              This article is devoted to the Turkish article, but it’s just
              PROVOCATOR ,,,,

              moreover, the number of such articles from Turkey is becoming more and more.
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 19 February 2014 13: 21
                0
                Quote: TS3sta3
                moreover, the number of such articles from Turkey becomes

                Well, a journalist wrote something and that. Yes, if you listen to Zhirinovsky, then then a long time ago start a war bully all against all))))
                1. TS3sta3
                  TS3sta3 19 February 2014 13: 31
                  +2
                  do not be so frivolous about such articles. Hitler also only wrote a book in his time, and what did it result in? this article, I repeat, is not the only one. Thus, the Turkish media are carrying out propaganda among the Turks about the right to territorial claims to an independent state and to the right to change the existing state borders. this brainwashing has already yielded a result: the internet is full of videos about how Turkey occupies the territory of currently existing countries. and these videos are created by ordinary Turks who believe that Turkey has the right to its own national exclusivity. how else can you relate to this? is it ok at all? and "your" compatriot and "mine" are also conducting openly pan-Turkic propaganda and propaganda of hatred towards Russians. this is also the result of propaganda. you hardly do not understand this.
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 19 February 2014 14: 30
        -2
        Quote: Egoza
        Do Crimeans recognize this?

        Well, if we speak from this point of view, then many territories of Russia should have split off.
  9. Neophyte
    Neophyte 19 February 2014 08: 23
    +1
    Not the fact that Russia needs Crimea. In the conditions of the collapse of Ukraine, any
    body movement, will cause a chain reaction to further dismember Ukraine
    and instability in the Black Sea region. Turkey has claims and
    to New Russia, but Romania has interests in this region.
    Therefore, Russia, represented by Putin, will conduct cautious geopolitics, regardless of the calls of the Russian-speaking population for joining Russia.
  10. old rocket man
    old rocket man 19 February 2014 08: 27
    +5
    Quote: v53993
    By the way, where did the shield go that our ancestors nailed to the gate for memory?


    Go and learn. There was no trace of the Turks then. Visatia is the Eastern Roman Empire, the titular nation is Greeks.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 19 February 2014 11: 36
      +2
      Quote: Old Rocketman
      .Visatia-Eastern Roman Empire, the titular nation-Greeks.

      Where did the Romans go? And why do you call the Greeks the Greeks?
  11. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 19 February 2014 10: 07
    +9
    but there is the same, only about the Crimea !?
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 19 February 2014 15: 09
      0
      What is the problem? Let us write below the same thing about Crimea against the background of a star and a crescent!
  12. Clegg
    Clegg 19 February 2014 10: 44
    0
    I hope the Turks do not get involved in this adventure, Crimea is part of Ukraine.
    1. alex13-61
      alex13-61 19 February 2014 10: 58
      +2
      Quote: Clegg
      Crimea is a part of Ukraine.

      Well, I don’t agree ... Yes, until there was an imposition of Ukrainian values ​​(under Kuchma) there were fewer anti-Ukrainian sentiments, which allowed him to defend the rights of autonomy. At the moment, in Crimea there are more supporters of returning to Russia.
    2. 222222
      222222 19 February 2014 11: 03
      +3
      Clegg (2) KZ Today, 10:44 AM New
      "I hope the Turks will not get involved in this adventure, Crimea is a part of Ukraine."
      As there the Turk wrote to AV Suvorov about the capture of the fortress of Izmail "The faster the moon will fall to Earth and the Danube will flow backwards than the Crimea will be Turkish" The Turks have external and internal problems like fleas on a dog.
      - Greece - the problem of the islands of the Aegean is not solved
      - Israel, Syria, Iran - for hegemony in the region
      -Bulgaria - cross-border claims for water in the Black Sea in the Rezovka district and support for Bulgarian Turkish organizations.
      - Kurdish problem leading to the collapse of the country .. and the formation of the Kurdish state
      Erdogan's policy of restoring a religious state against the will of the majority of the people
      - delaying the recognition of the issue of the genocide of the Armenian people ....
      - problems of joining the EU ..
      At the same time, many gas pipelines go through the territory of Turkey and it is planned to build the South Stream ....
  13. 222222
    222222 19 February 2014 10: 48
    +7
    "An ambassador has arrived from America.
    The enemy is stupid as a Donkey.
    And screams in heavy bass:
    "Belarus with Donbas
    give or take by force
    Molotov answered slowly:
    "you go to your hut
    And suck you there .....
    You won't get not x ... ren again "
  14. Tihas
    Tihas 19 February 2014 11: 54
    +3
    according to the opinion of the Turkish author, this step will give his homeland the legal right to “take control of the Crimea” and seize the rebellious peninsula before he tries to reunite with Russia.

    Maybe, what I doubtfully, the right is. Yes ktozh give them.
  15. mabuta
    mabuta 19 February 2014 12: 16
    +5
    Take the Crimea? Let them start with Ishmael. But seriously, Erdogan’s head still doesn’t leave Kurdistan, and let him only look at the Crimea with binoculars (with caution).
  16. Thomas
    Thomas 19 February 2014 12: 31
    +3
    The Turks themselves do not poke their heads, the warring Syria and Iraq are at hand, and besides, the Kurds, with whom they still can’t agree. And time is not right.
    It is necessary to be afraid of the other: several years ago, I was talking with one SBU-shnik, Wahhabis are actively deploying in the Crimea, and calls for the Tatars to return to their jihadist slogans are beginning to sound slowly. Now even this is no secret. Channels of a national character paid from the West are slowly forming the image of the owner of the Crimea in the Tatars. So far, everything is soft, but they are already starting to take advantage of the moment and take advantage of the events in Kiev. Here, as an example, I can report that there is a Crimean Tatar channel on satellite TV that showed the whole night of the event on the Maidan, naturally, from the side of the protesters.
    This can really be.
    If a big mess begins, in any case, the radical forces will try to take power in the Crimea. Of course, they cannot reach Sevastopol, but they can capture other settlements.
    And then there is the formation of a territorial association without Sevastopol. They will sit in places and look in the ass to the Turks.
    I will unsubscribe right away - my post has nothing to do with normal people of Tatar nationality.
  17. parus2nik
    parus2nik 19 February 2014 13: 32
    +2
    We will answer them for Sevastopol ...
    And the Turkish author does not know the word schazz ... how to spell it correctly and how many letters "z" or "s" are at the end of the word ...
  18. Yarik
    Yarik 19 February 2014 13: 47
    +2
    Who is the Turks? I don’t see, I don’t know, I don’t notice at point blank range. Those guys who captured Constantinople have degenerated long ago, and in the following times they just didn’t beat them. Always. Even the Austrians. And the Austrians ... they are still warriors.
  19. Ek.Sektor
    Ek.Sektor 19 February 2014 14: 47
    +1
    I agree with those who wrote that Turkey is clearly not up to the Crimea, the Turks are not Russians, they are unlikely to be able to fight on 3 fronts. But about the problem of the Crimean jihadists, this can really become a problem, because playing the Wahhabi Islamic card is very simple and at the same time, the puppeteers will remain in the shadows, as it were.
  20. ZU-23
    ZU-23 19 February 2014 15: 00
    0
    Countries have so many problems, they cannot even provide their peoples with work, but show-offs due to the revision of old treaties and territories continue. The main thing is that the country is dumber, the more it wants, it is a regularity, as if their people have bred more than in China. Or is it likely, as always, the Americans are knocking out their snails.
  21. andrei332809
    andrei332809 19 February 2014 15: 26
    0
    According to the Turkish author, this step will give his homeland the legal right to “take control of the Crimea” and seize the rebellious peninsula before he tries to reunite with Russia.

    It turns out that dreamers also live in Turkey. well, he didn’t remember that under this agreement Russia has a SOVEREIGN right to the Black Sea. so that with peace of mind you can drown all the military of someone else. and the Bosphorus Turks do not have the right to close. or, God forbid, they suddenly want to inspect a Russian ship in the strait, no matter civil or military. this will be considered the beginning of the war against Russia. some kind of selective memory. or they don’t write about it in history?
  22. Cucumbers
    Cucumbers 19 February 2014 15: 28
    +2
    A request to the author to spell out the material correctly. The Kuchuk-Kainardzhi peace treaty of 1774 granted independence to the Crimea from the Turkish protectorate. And only the Iasi treaty of 1791 secured Russia’s entire Northern Black Sea coast, including the Crimea, strengthened its political position in the Caucasus and The Balkans.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 19 February 2014 16: 10
      0
      Quote: Cucumbers
      .And only the Iasi Treaty of 1791.

      thanks for the amendment hi
  23. Leshka
    Leshka 19 February 2014 16: 00
    0
    3 world war may begin in Ukraine
  24. Klim2011
    Klim2011 19 February 2014 16: 30
    +1
    Neither Russia nor Turkey needs a territorial conflict, much less a military confrontation.
    As a rule, the initiators of such things are a third party, and it also benefits to the maximum.
    Putin and Erdogan are sure that they will not allow this.
    And the article in the Turkish press .... D. shit has no nationality. Everywhere it is enough for us and for them.
  25. smersh70
    smersh70 19 February 2014 18: 39
    +3
    And anyway, where is AKIM bully Why should I be responsible for him laughing probably on the Maidan)))
  26. alone
    alone 19 February 2014 20: 14
    +2
    what Turkey was one of the first to recognize Ukraine as an independent country with its borders. No one in Turkey really zaritsya. Now few people are introducing their influence with tanks and machine guns. This is the destiny of those who are behind the times. Now everything decides economic interests.

    Many have forgotten the role of separatism in the collapse of the USSR. Many here still dream of the return of the USSR. And with such statements, unions do not create.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 19 February 2014 21: 50
      +1
      Quote: lonely
      Many have forgotten the role of separatism in the collapse of the USSR. Many here still dream of the return of the USSR. And with such statements, unions do not create.

      Yes, there are a handful of chauvinists who haven’t understood anything from history. That they themselves ruined Tsarist Russia, that the USSR is now stubbornly trying to continue. And believe me, everything will be on their own, having such material to invade and die soldiers, guys with a high opinion of themselves they will do everything for Uncle Sam.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 19 February 2014 22: 56
        +1
        Quote: Yeraz
        Yes, there are a bunch of chauvinists who haven’t understood anything from history. That they ruined tsarist Russia themselves, that the USSR, now they are trying hard to continue.

        Like nobody ever attacks Russia? No one in the media is anti-Russian propaganda. Chauvinists are sitting on the other side of the Russian border. They don’t like Russians, to say the least, in foreign countries.
        1. alone
          alone 19 February 2014 23: 03
          +1
          Sergey, let's really talk. Turkey has its own problem with the Kurds. That’s why they don’t need to support some separatists in any country. By the way, about Crimea they have only economic plans (After all, the resort area, and they have a lot of experience in these matters). not going to demand something from someone.
          It’s not enough that some experts write on newspapers. If you believe every article in every newspaper, the world would have ceased to exist long ago. There’s just a trend in VO. The trend is this: they periodically throw different provocative articles about the topic of Kazakhstan, then Turkey, then Transcaucasia. And then they remember Islam and migrant workers)) This is fundamentally the wrong approach to business. If there are any problems you need to discuss them. But srach is not interesting to me anymore. You can blame each other for days. And the good of that is -Zero. hi
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 19 February 2014 23: 08
            +1
            Quote: lonely
            Sergey, let's really talk. Turkey has its own problem with the Kurds.

            Yes, no one in Russia believes in this circus in the media about the Turkish aggression. Turkey is a dependent country, and like any dependent country it is very weak. However, there is a west that has been waging war in various forms against Russia for more than five hundred years.
            1. alone
              alone 19 February 2014 23: 32
              +1
              Quote: Setrac
              However, there is a west that has been waging war in various forms against Russia for more than five hundred years.


              And nobody argues about this. The West has its own goals. The trouble is that very often some enemies are not looking where they are hiding. While the Anglo-Saxons had no access to the Russian emperors, the Russians were very good friends with the Turks and Germans .
              as soon as the British loomed, off and on.

              P.S. Sometimes it’s damn funny when someone starts to argue that this or that state is the enemy of Russia. The only argument of these people is that, when Russia and this country fought each other a hundred years ago), I swear, it’s funny. In general, it is necessary to close the borders and do not collaborate with anyone))
        2. Yeraz
          Yeraz 19 February 2014 23: 10
          +1
          Quote: Setrac
          Like nobody ever attacks Russia? No one in the media is anti-Russian propaganda. Chauvinists are sitting on the other side of the Russian border. They don’t like Russians, to say the least, in foreign countries.

          They say they’re too crazy. They praise themselves too much, but in others they’re eternal. They speak calmly, like taking away pieces of another state by separatism, and as a response, they’ll immediately scoundrels. The opposite is not perceived at all, immediately a provocateur, Russophobe, etc.
          Blaming others for double standards, and not seeing their own, inciting separatism, but not noticing, but shifting arrows to others, and this is when the problematic separate regions are themselves.
          He will learn to lead a discussion. It is not a fact that someone will prove something to anyone, but a reasonable discussion can be conducted, but most are die-hard without brains or provocateurs.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 19 February 2014 23: 33
            +1
            Quote: Yeraz
            they speak calmly, how to take away pieces of another state through separatism, and as a response, so immediately scoundrels.

            But Russia does not sponsor separatism in Ukraine, claims are not addressed, maybe the USA needs Crimea? They sponsor separatism.
            Quote: Yeraz
            Learn to lead a discussion.

            This is because you forgot who our common enemies are, so we do not understand each other. The arguments of the mind regarding the West are powerless, they understand only with a stick on the head. And their supporters from us will also get on the head, if they do not come to their senses. This is not the first time in history that has happened.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 20 February 2014 16: 07
              0
              Quote: Setrac
              But Russia does not sponsor separatism in Ukraine, claims are not addressed, maybe the USA needs Crimea?

              In fact, it is shouted about this in Russia and in the Crimea some are calling for it.
              Thanks to Russia, Karabakh cannot be returned.
              Abkhazia I and Ossetia.
              Prednistrovye all this Russia does.
              Quote: Setrac
              This is because you forgot who our common enemies are, so we don’t understand each other

              So why do all our enemies have to be common ??? Why is the enemy of Russia necessarily the enemy of the rest and vice versa ??
        3. smersh70
          smersh70 19 February 2014 23: 17
          +1
          Quote: Setrac
          Like nobody ever attacks Russia?
          Look, have you heard any cries from Russia against us, or did you cry about different provocative ideas there. We always only respond to attacks written at the beginning of discussions. Lonely rights, right away, remove, capture, they are subhuman ... and off we go. Here at the beginning I wrote, Crimea is part of Ukraine, a well-known fact. Turks don’t require Crimea, also known- And that - 22 people voted against. And this active part of visitors and I think that almost all of Russia. That is, they want the collapse of their brotherly Slavic country
          1. alone
            alone 19 February 2014 23: 27
            +1
            No wonder Vurgun! Imperial ambitions prevail over well-known facts.
            Those who argue their views on the Crimea (Crimea was part of Russia, and gave it to Khrushev), I propose to go and take Poland and Finland. These countries also once were part of the Russian Empire). And the most interesting is that those who are most shouting about it, in a real fight they won’t go to war. laughing
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 19 February 2014 23: 37
            +1
            Quote: smersh70
            Here in the beginning he wrote, Crimea is part of Ukraine, a well-known fact. Turks do not require Crimea, it’s also known, And that - 22 people voted against.

            Maybe you wrote something besides "about Crimea" and cons for it? I do not know.
            Quote: smersh70
            Lonely right, right away, to remove, capture, they are subhuman ... and off we go.

            Russia can take both Crimea and the whole of Ukraine, and the fact that it did not do this disproves you.