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What will we biathlon?

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Biathlon, biathlon ... and what are our fighters going to win? This question concerns most of both armored vehicles lovers and specialists, literally right after the announcement of a new championship. The intrigue was fooled by the Minister of Defense himself, who gave the industry command in the shortest possible time to issue some kind of "new" car. So the people went to break their heads over what Sergey Kozhugetovich meant by the “new” machine. It is obvious that the old men used in previous speeches T-72B are no longer kanat. “Armaty” has to wait for a very long time (by the way, all the statements of Messrs. Ragozin, Khalitov and other gen erals about some kind of “preliminary” tests of this pepelats are a complete lie. There is still no complete vehicle that could be presented to military representatives) . The best option, in my opinion, would be the T-90MS (SM, MA, AM - whatever you want to call it) - a modernized machine with OCD "Breakthrough-2" events. However, the trick here again is that no state tests on this topic were carried out, and without them the car in our army is illegal. The problem could be solved by the urgent organization of these very GUs, but ... there was nothing to be tested for. The first prototype is disassembled. This is what we all saw in 2009-2011. Earlier, I wrote that on its basis made the layout "Armata".


Sorry, I’ve made a mistake - bad people misled. It turned out that in fact he was turned into a BMPT-72. The second prototype is constantly disappearing at various exhibitions, not complete and thoroughly ushatana. If you look at the latest press and the Internet, then you can read a lot of different proposals on the topic of possible candidates for "biathlon". But ... I am extremely interested in why our serial T-90A is always missing from them? You would think that an illiterate audience simply stipulates this beautiful car, if again not one BUT ... T-90A was planned to participate in last year's competitions. The network has photos of these cars, painted in the colors of participating teams. But these Tanks at the biathlon did not even appear in the show program. Why? Is it because our military knows more about them than we can say?


"Colored" T-90A, prepared for the biathlon -2013, but not involved in it either.






Did the 30-year-old T-72B be considered better and more reliable ??? Everything turns out that way ... So what are we going to exhibit? Then I give absolutely unverified information based solely on rumors that passed through the “subchannels”, but nonetheless I paid attention to them.
The first hearing. UKBTM and "Tagil platform" "Uralvagonzavod" received an urgent task to roll out a small series of upgraded, specially prepared for the competition of the type T-72. This is the so-called T-72B4. Modernization option in which the best practices are used on the Kalina LMS and the Proryv-2 ROC as a whole. The main difference from the T-72B3 is the commanding panorama. However, this machine also does not exist yet and it has not been tested.

What will we biathlon?

T-72B3 at the window in honor of the past biathlon




The turret of the T-72B3 tank, on which the main feature of the modernization is clearly visible - the Sosna-U sight
The name "T-72B4" is only reserved for it and will be officially assigned after the GI, which is supposed to be held in 2014 in the summer and autumn. But here, there is one "legal stumbling block" - T-72B4 can be issued on a temporary CD, calling, for example, as T-72B3М. In this case, we will conditionally consider that the modernization of the B3 is being implemented with a number of “side events”, according to the customer’s TK. So T-72B4 - T-72B3M is the first challenger.


Upgraded T-72B, on MVSV, nicknamed "White Eagle"



"White Eagle". So installation of a panorama on T-72B4 - T-72B3M can look



Assembling the panorama to the "White Eagle" in the workshop of the 61 BTRZ


The second hearing. Allegedly, from Kantemirovka, 6 T-80UE-1 tanks with a Plissa sight were sent back to the Omsk site of the Uralvagonzavod. These machines were modernized more recently through the joint efforts of KBTM and 61-BTRZ.


T-80UE-1



T-80UE-1, but with a "Buran-M" sight, not a "Plissa"


Now they in Omsk should be in some special way prepared for biathlon. Some of the people with wide stripes, and then in the media, quite seriously believe that T-80U (UE) is really better than T-90A and T-72B3. However, we leave this assertion on their conscience.
I admit that our valiant military for safety purposes go these two ways at once. And nafuya? Yes, simply because we finished playing in the tanks ... and were left without them.
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  1. TELEMARK
    TELEMARK 19 February 2014 06: 36
    +4
    Either I don’t understand a little or I’m outdated already, in the article the essence of modification B4 is described as the installation of the commander's panorama, there are photos with the installation of the panorama on the "White Eagle". The question is why the panorama is installed from the side of the gunner ?!
    1. starshina78
      starshina78 19 February 2014 11: 07
      0
      Mr. Khlopotov! when you undertake to comment on something, at least learn how to write the names of those about whom you are going to write. Rogozin is written, not Ragozin!
      1. soldat1945
        soldat1945 19 February 2014 13: 37
        +1
        Yes, about the "warriors" and "generals" without any comments at all, the author does not respect the army, why then writes about it, but they will perform on what they train on, and this is basically the T-72 B3, the only thing with the settings for shamanism and a weapon like should be verified, but I don't understand why these tanks are not competitors to Western models, it's just that the author is probably going to root for the United States or Germany, and he is worried!
        1. anton 51
          anton 51 19 February 2014 17: 51
          0
          he said, the echo went. man lives by it.
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev 19 February 2014 18: 37
            +1
            Quote: Anton 51
            he said, the echo went. man lives by it.

            Absolutely accurate definition! good
            And is biathlon a show for popularizing the service and model of tanks on which it is conducted?
            Amuse on TV and "in nature" the people at least for that-55.
            It will be very beautiful, especially throwing fire mixtures! yes
            And who doubts that it is not possible to hit targets proposed under biathlon conditions from the good old 55, he is, to put it mildly, wrong.
            A completely different "song" is the presence of a new and modernized BTT in the troops, the technical level and quality of manufacturing and modernization, as well as the level of mastery of this very equipment by the personnel.
            Here it would be interesting to listen, but not Khlopotov, but practitioners of the real business. Those involved in the training of military personnel and the operation of BTT in the troops.
  2. erased
    erased 19 February 2014 06: 39
    +2
    We also use rumors and media data, since we are far from tank building and the problems of tank plants and other tanks ... But if the T-90SM (AM) is really not enough in quantity, then the conclusion is simple - nothing is cooler than the T-72B3 in the country no. Well, maybe the T-80 in some form.
    Either there is no demand for the T-90SM beyond the cordon, or nobody needs it at all here, or Armata is about to ripen. But this is in perspective. In the meantime? .. Although it’s really strange that the T-90A in some modern version is not put up. Why?
  3. Dimsan
    Dimsan 19 February 2014 06: 44
    +10
    The author well, what a dumb little article !!! What is serving in the army and biathlon, no fantasy !!!
    1. Armata
      Armata 19 February 2014 08: 40
      +1
      Quote: Dimsan
      The author well, what a dumb little article !!! What is serving in the army and biathlon, no fantasy !!!
      This is the main Internet specialist in Armata in Russia. A simple blogger is a dropout.
      1. Kars
        Kars 19 February 2014 09: 43
        +10
        Quote: Armata
        A simple blogger is a dropout.

        Yes, well, and how he dwells on Ukrainian tanks, so he is a master, specialist, etc.
    2. PANZER
      PANZER 19 February 2014 08: 51
      +8
      Quote: Dimsan
      The author well, what a dumb little article !!!

      You shouldn’t be so. The question is really serious.
      Article plus
    3. neri73-r
      neri73-r 19 February 2014 09: 50
      +2
      I agree, but the T-90 was not used in various modifications, since they are not in the armies of the countries that took part in the biathlon! That is, their fighters trained in 72-oyki, and competing in the 90s is not fair, cars, although similar, but not the same! Only we could properly prepare for the T-90.
    4. nagual
      nagual 19 February 2014 10: 39
      +4
      Actually, Aleksey Khlopotov is one of the best authors of the journal "Equipment and Weapons". Naturally, living in Nizhny Tagil, he enters the lobbies of the Uralvagonzavod. However, his services to the "general public", which are interested in armored vehicles, are simply difficult to underestimate. Almost all the technical "proof" available in boarding schools for the Ural MBT belongs to him, or refers to him, or retells it in his own words. And as for other "armored bloggers associated with Ukrainian competitors of the Uralvagonzavod, their dislike for Alexei can be understood;) a huge amount of slop was poured on the T-72/90 from their side. Alas, competition is fierce.
      1. Armata
        Armata 19 February 2014 14: 55
        +4
        Quote: nagual
        Generally speaking, Aleksey Khlopotov is one of the best authors of the journal "Equipment and Weapons". Naturally, living in Nizhny Tagil, he enters the lobbies of the Uralvagonzavod
        HA, and then what does he live in Togliat?
        Quote: nagual
        However, his services to the "general public", which are interested in armored vehicles, are simply difficult to underestimate. Almost all the technical "proof" available in boarding schools for the Ural MBT belongs to him, or refers to him,
        Whoever yells louder is referred to. Ask him a simple question. Through which street do tanks cross the road to the landfill? Well, and what other obstacles are there at the training ground? And one more question. Research institute how drives tanks there? By what means do they deliver tanks to the training ground of the Ural Institute for Testing Metals?
  4. Sirocco
    Sirocco 19 February 2014 07: 36
    +4
    The question is fundamentally incorrect. Who will biathlon, and not on what. The biathlon idea is good, but we are doing everything according to Chernomyrdin. It would be better not to puff up with a biathlon, and not to look for the best of the worst tankers in parts. And they were engaged in combat training at their training grounds. There would be no more sense. I already commented somehow about the continuous violations in the biathlon, both when laying the power supply unit, and when overcoming the railroad bridge, and how commanders shoot machine guns, etc. Give diesel fuel and power supply units, not computer classes.
    1. Kazakh
      Kazakh 19 February 2014 08: 36
      +8
      Give diesel fuel and PSU in part, not computer classes.
      In our Aleisk, apparently, they drove and fired around the clock 6 times a week
    2. military
      military 19 February 2014 10: 01
      +3
      Quote: Sirocco
      The question is fundamentally incorrect. Who will biathlon, and not on what.

      the question is HOW we will "biathlon" ... if it is the same as in Sochi, then it does not give much optimism ...
    3. avg
      avg 19 February 2014 13: 08
      +1
      Quote: Sirocco
      The question is fundamentally incorrect. Who will biathlon, and not on what.

      Both questions are fair here. Even trained crews, arriving at the competition and receiving unfamiliar cars, will not be able to adequately perform.
  5. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 19 February 2014 07: 44
    +1
    Today, judging by the comments, the T-80 turbine has better performance, at least due to maneuverability and speed. other indicators for biathlon in their current form are approximately equal. Although I will not argue, I am not special in tanks.
  6. PANZER
    PANZER 19 February 2014 08: 24
    +10
    Purely IMHO.
    The show, called tank biathlon, is aimed primarily at attracting young people to contract service in the troops. At least the videos between the "battles" speak about this: an ordinary boy, a contract soldier, called up from the village, drives a tank around the range at breakneck speed, shoots a cannon and a machine gun, and at home, in a nice warm apartment allocated by the RF Ministry of Defense, a beautiful wife is waiting for him, little daughter, a cat and a delicious dinner. The idea is good only in this, only a decent social network and money can now attract young people.
    As you know, each medal has two sides and it was an obverse.
    Now on the back
    Crew training is not at the highest level, to put it mildly. I will not dwell on this, the tankers already understand everything, but the others still don’t "fumble". I don’t want to think that these are our best crews. Preparation of equipment is generally a separate topic (even a monkey will hit the target from the first shot from a verified and aimed weapon.
    Now about international competitions
    When holding the same show with the involvement of tankers from the "camp of a potential enemy" on their equipment, the idea of ​​biathlon will be different. There will be a competition not only of crews in readiness, but also of different schools of tank building, performance characteristics of vehicles, etc. Let's see what happens. In any case, good luck and patience to the brothers tankmen. Prepare more seriously. soldier
    1. Jin
      Jin 19 February 2014 12: 19
      0
      Quote: PANZER
      When holding the same show with the involvement of tankers from the "camp of a potential enemy" on their equipment, the idea of ​​biathlon will be different.


      Good point. I always had a question, but will the Americans, or the Germans, also jump on the armor and load three shells, etc.? That is, they will be driven under some of our standards, so they may not agree with this. Or redo the rules? If remade, then they will not be familiar to us ...
  7. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 19 February 2014 08: 33
    +1
    Maybe they just hurried up with an invitation? what
  8. Shurale
    Shurale 19 February 2014 08: 40
    -5
    I really want our biathlon with foreigners to fail miserably, WILD!
    Maybe then at least someone scratches himself and starts at least doing something ...
    1. nagual
      nagual 19 February 2014 11: 02
      +4
      To wish your failure "with a wild bang" is like a bae says a lot about you :(
      1. Shurale
        Shurale 19 February 2014 12: 24
        0
        But I see nothing but shock therapy, to understand the whole nightmarishness of the problem in our army with tanks ...
  9. Wedmak
    Wedmak 19 February 2014 09: 00
    0
    And what, in the army is no longer the T-90? Those who managed to purchase? Why not roll them out? Armata will not be at biathlon - 100%. The T-80 is being removed from service, so it is also unlikely to be. T-72B3-4-5-6, damn it, what is the problem of setting new sights and panoramas, to drive out the tests?
    1. Armata
      Armata 19 February 2014 09: 20
      +1
      Quote: Wedmak
      T-72B3-4-5-6, damn it, what is the problem of setting new sights and panoramas, to drive out the tests?
      This is a whole range of work. Not so simple. A tank is not a bicycle, where you can put any steering wheel. For example Т72Б3. Pine -U is installed extremely unsuccessfully, causes a lot of complaints from tankers, but it is unrealistic to put it in another place.
  10. huut
    huut 19 February 2014 09: 08
    +3
    Yes, simply because we played out in tanks ... and were left without them.


    I thought about wargaming ... He meant tanks, where "stat is important"?) Well, if they still spin their planes, then we will be left without them. But half of the country will be in full-chest medals, in virtual ones)
    It remains to give them control systems of drones and ... Isn't such a reform planned?)
  11. RBLip
    RBLip 19 February 2014 09: 39
    +4
    What will biathlon be on?
    on what, on what ... the men of T-35 put on the tracks. here on it, damn it, and we will.
  12. Ahmed Osmanov
    Ahmed Osmanov 19 February 2014 10: 04
    0
    By the way, a tank biathlon will be held here in Dagestan, in particular in Buinaksk. wink
  13. valokordin
    valokordin 19 February 2014 10: 42
    +2
    I will not argue with the author, not a specialist, but always considered our tanks the most tank. I watched tank biathlon with pleasure on TV. Before that, I thought that our tanks didn’t miss, in the competition there can only be a dispute about the time to perform exercises, but they still turn out to be missed even with modern sighting devices and homing missile systems. How wrong I was. I myself saw a live T-54 tank in the Ulyanovsk Tank School in 1965. and T-34 on the monuments. When in 1975 I was on the Malakhov Kurgan, I saw armored vehicles from the time of the war, I was impressed, but the biathlon’s results were alarming, although the crew of the North-Western District looked very good.
  14. dmb
    dmb 19 February 2014 11: 02
    +4
    For modern times. you just need to count. Based on today's realities, riding on multi-colored "tanks" and the solemn raising of wine glasses with "brothers in arms" will cost like the combat training of a pair of tank brigades. And here, what is more valuable: flickering on the screen against the background of the "tanks" of a gentleman in a uniform similar to the outfit of a Papuan, or the country's defenses.
    1. nagual
      nagual 19 February 2014 11: 06
      0
      But what, the preparation of crews for the biathlon qualifiers is not a combat training?
    2. Dormidont
      Dormidont 19 February 2014 11: 19
      0
      About the form is very, in my opinion, aptly. But it seems to have started back with the Ministry of Emergencies. Although, if we talk about the qualities of a leader, today I think it's better and there is nobody ...
      1. dmb
        dmb 19 February 2014 12: 45
        0
        Did someone give you the right to choose, or do you think this is an unrecognized Moltke?
    3. Dormidont
      Dormidont 19 February 2014 11: 19
      0
      About the form is very, in my opinion, aptly. But it seems to have started back with the Ministry of Emergencies. Although, if we talk about the qualities of a leader, today I think it's better and there is nobody ...
      1. military
        military 19 February 2014 11: 46
        +2
        Quote: Dormidont
        Although, if we talk about the qualities of a leader, today I think it's better and there is nobody ...

        again the search for the "pearl" among the crap? ... it is not there ... and it never was ...
    4. military
      military 19 February 2014 11: 26
      0
      Quote: dmb
      And here, what is more valuable: flickering on the screen against the background of the "tanks" of a gentleman in a uniform similar to the outfit of a Papuan, or the country's defenses.

      it all depends on the "Papuan" ... laughing
      - Dad-ah! ...
      - Well, what do you want? ...
      - Let the elephants run ...
      - Well, they’re tired, son!
      - Well, dad-ah ... Well, let them still run!
      - Well, okay, son ... Well ... MOUTH, RISE !!! GASES !!!
      1. PLO
        PLO 19 February 2014 11: 53
        +1
        ..marching behind the car!
      2. dmb
        dmb 19 February 2014 12: 42
        +1
        This is bad. "Papuan is everything." It is clear that in the army, voting is unacceptable, but there must be responsibility for the task entrusted to you. And we have the previous "Papuan" and stole and messed up, but he feels rather well. When the current one plays enough with "tanchiki", he will not be very scared of his transfer "to another duty station" either.
  15. runway
    runway 19 February 2014 13: 10
    0
    There is a suggestion.
    To do as in the aerobatic teams of aviation - to remove everything, leave only the glider to facilitate the apparatus .... After all, they will not shoot at us. So make a "special" tank from an aluminum alloy. It will be tens of tons lighter, and a conventional engine will pull it no worse than 1500 hp. American.
    Put a liner for shells of a smaller caliber in the gun (with a smaller caliber, it is easier to spin the calculation and the rate of fire will be higher).
    And one more thing: especially the Germans work strictly according to the Charter (after each action, the calculation number follows his report to the commander of the car, etc.). Which will also help us reduce the task execution time.
    I wrote these "proposals" to relieve the tension of the situation. A concern that the author of this article also expressed. After all, our high-handed leaders first offer something, and then they think. BUT NEVER REVERSE. So you have to get out of a stalemate ....
  16. s1н7т
    s1н7т 19 February 2014 13: 13
    +1
    Already confused in modifications, damn it request True, a little pleased with the possibility of such modifications, incorporated in tanks back in the distant 60s good
    And this fucking biathlon should be carried out like this - a day before arrival we point a finger at the military unit of Germany, for example, right up to the platoon, where we want to get an opponent from. And they poke a finger wherever they want. Then it will be seen whose army is preparing for something, and whose only portrays.
  17. uzer 13
    uzer 13 19 February 2014 13: 48
    +2
    One gets the impression that the Uralvagon plant is not able to produce new modern equipment. The privileges and preferences that these favorites of the government received or begged for led to the fact that the company turned out to be uncompetitive in the real economy. Only this can explain the atmosphere of mystery and secrecy that accompanies the protracted the process of creating a new tank. It seems that "effective managers" destroyed the production.
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 19 February 2014 16: 49
      0
      The real competence in combat tanks was at the Kirov plant. In the Urals, they came up with how to make them at the lowest cost - this is their hobby. Costly economy.
      1. anton 51
        anton 51 20 February 2014 21: 44
        0
        exactly. with both hands, because it was from the 62nd in 10 years it was repeated to the 72nd, the competitors were removed from the armature from r ... they are blind, the MO will take, there’s nowhere to go.
  18. moremansf
    moremansf 19 February 2014 15: 23
    0
    Soon on all TV screens - "TANK BIATHLON - 2014" !!! We will believe that ours will perform better in this form than at the biathlon of the home Olympics - 2014 !!! soldier
  19. Tektor
    Tektor 19 February 2014 15: 59
    0
    From a commercial point of view - the best, no doubt, the T-72. But from the point of view of combat effectiveness - the T-80U. The only trouble was that they did not allow it to be modernized and remained with a machine of 20 years old level ... There were no combat-effective tanks at all. Alas.
  20. alone
    alone 19 February 2014 20: 00
    0
    Most likely, T-72s will be used.
  21. Not a patriot RU
    Not a patriot RU 19 February 2014 22: 46
    +1
    On this topic. The article is important because written without unnecessary pathos, but also without snotty moaning - briefly and to the point. Unfortunately, we have a problem with tanks: everything hovered with Armata and the modernization of the T-72 is far from the best level (my opinion is not mine, but reviews from the tank units that received the T-72B3).
    Quote: dmb
    For modern times. you just need to count. Based on today's realities, riding on multi-colored "tanks" and the solemn raising of wine glasses with "brothers in arms" will cost like the combat training of a pair of tank brigades. And here, what is more valuable: flickering on the screen against the background of the "tanks" of a gentleman in a uniform similar to the outfit of a Papuan, or the country's defenses.

    Unfortunately, this seems to be true, window dressing ...
    Quote: PANZER
    Purely IMHO.
    The show, called tank biathlon, is aimed primarily at attracting young people to contract service in the troops. At least the videos between the "battles" speak about this: an ordinary boy, a contract soldier, called up from the village, drives a tank around the range at breakneck speed, shoots a cannon and a machine gun, and at home, in a nice warm apartment allocated by the RF Ministry of Defense, a beautiful wife is waiting for him, little daughter, a cat and a delicious dinner. The idea is good only in this, only a decent social network and money can now attract young people.

    That's just the reality for the majority is much duller than agitating commercials.

    PS Citizens of patriots can blindly minus this comment.
  22. anton 51
    anton 51 20 February 2014 21: 33
    0
    Y. without stripes but t-72 and its further development in comparison with t80b (especially U) and is not near (experience 10 years of operation of t80 various modifications from GSVG to DV). Regarding biathlon, the right and necessary thing from any point of view, It is a pity that during my service was not carried out.