In Kubinka put on the course of the tank T-35A

At the Central Museum of Armored Arms and Equipment of the Ministry of Defense of Russia in the Kubinka Region, Moscow Region, a group of enthusiasts and employees of the museum’s stock department completed the first phase of restoring the only surviving copy of the pre-war Soviet heavy five-turret to running condition tank T-35A. On February 12, 2014, the tank under its own power for the first time moved from the pavilion of the museum’s heavy equipment to the nearby workshop of the 38th Research and Testing Institute of Armored Equipment of the Ministry of Defense of Russia for further restoration.

A total of two prototypes (T-1932-1939 and T-35-1) and 35 serial tank T-2А were built in the USSR at the Kharkov Comintern Locomotive Plant in 61-35 years. The only remaining T-35A machine that has been restored and has a serial number 0197-7 and was manufactured in 1938. Before the war, it was used as a training school in the Kazan Tank School, in 1940's it entered the Kubinka testing ground, and in 1951 it was transferred to the Museum. After the restoration, the T-35A will appear before visitors in full running condition and the opportunity to evaluate the powerful and unusual car in its original form.

Tank T-35A (serial number 0197-7) on the go in Kubinka. 12.02.2014 (c) mbtvt.ru

Comments

[major071]

I applaud while standing! No words, well done!

[jjj]

Yes, in Russia, masters will never be transferred

[Arberes]

Quote: jjj

Yes, in Russia, masters will never be transferred

That would be respected MECHANIC had seen??? Let EVGENY cheer up! Ours to you with a brush
T-35 this is power guys
And "ARMATA" will be released soon!

[Edward72]

We have a lot of self-made people and the majority rests on the bureaucracy. And before Almaty, as far as China is with cancer, there are a lot of things to promise.

[RUSS]

I managed to fight in Finnish, but did I take part in the Second World War?

[Roman 1977]

Dear Maxim, do not repeat the nonsense of the "historian" Boryusik Sokolov, in whom, in one of the attacks, the Finns were able to destroy 67 T-35 heavy tanks, although only 61 of them were released, and one of them not only survived to this day, and as we see even on go. The T-35 did not participate in the Finnish war, 3 heavy tanks took part in it as part of tests and all different types (KV, SMK, T-100), one of which SMK was blown up by a Finnish land mine and was lost.
At 22 June 1941 years in the Red Army there were 48 T-35 tanks, which were in service with the 67 and 68 tank regiments of the 34 tank division of the Kiev Military District Command. The rest were at the disposal of military schools and under repair (2 of the tank - VAMM, 3 - 2-e Saratov BTU, 1 - Kazan BTKUTS, 5 - under repair at the factory number 183). All T-35, which were available to the 34-th, by the beginning of the war were in the area of ​​Rava-Russian and were lost in the early days of the fighting. In this case, only 7 vehicles were lost directly in the battle, 6 were under repair at the time the war began, and other 35 were out of service as a result of malfunctions, broke on the march and were abandoned or destroyed by crews.

Banderlog also "lit up" with the T-35
T-35 lit up in the defense of Kharkov - 5 pieces were under repair there. Well, how they lit up ... It is known that they were there, it is known that they could not ride, and they made fixed firing points. The last use of T-35 tanks (2 vehicles) was noted during the battle of Moscow. They were going to send them to the front, to defend Moscow. There are photographs where one of these tanks stands on the VAMM site before being sent to the front.
Therefore, they took part in the Battle of Moscow only during the filming of the film "Battle of Moscow". The film was filmed near Kazan, and the Kazan Tank School had 2 running T-35s. Without thinking twice, on the snow-covered banks of the Volga, they filmed footage of a vigorous counteroffensive, where skiers dashingly run forward against the background of the T-35. These shots are still included in various war-themed films as if they were real. It was this T-35 "movie star" that was reanimated in Kubinka, the last of the surviving ones. This is easily identified in the footage of the chronicle: the "Moscow" T-35s were painted in winter camouflage, the "Kazan" in the frames remained grayish.

T-35 in Kubinka
And the captured T-35, used by the Germans in the defense of Berlin, was shot down ... from a captured faustpatron. However, there the Germans used other equally exotic trophies.

That's something like ...

[postman]

Quote: Novel 1977

delirium of the "historian" Boryusik Sokolov

"Historian" ... just does not see the difference between the T-28 and T-35 ..

in 20ttbr just DID NOT HAVE T-35.

The 5th TTBR was armed with the T-35A, but was stationed in Kharkov ..

[Kars]

The campaign is preparing a participant for the tank biathlon.

The administration did not miss a repost from Gurk Khan.

Biathlon, biathlon ... and what are our warriors going to win? This question worries most of both amateurs of armored vehicles and specialists, literally right after the announcement of the new championship. The Minister of Defense himself gave in to the intrigue, who gave the command to the industry to issue some "new" machine as soon as possible. So the people went to puzzle over what Sergey Kozhugetovich had in mind by the "new" car. It is obvious that the old T-72Bs used in previous performances are no longer caning. "Armata" to wait for a very long time (by the way, all the statements of Messrs. Ragozin, Khalitov and other generals about some "preliminary" tests of this pepelats are a complete lie. Until now, there is not a single complete vehicle that could be presented to military representatives) ... the best option, in my opinion, would be the T-90MS (SM, MA, AM - whatever you want to call it) - a modernized vehicle with measures for the "Breakthrough-2" design and development project. However, the trick here again is that there were no state tests on this topic, and without them the car in our army is illegal. The problem could have been solved by urgently organizing these very GIs, but ... there was nothing to test in reality. The first prototype is dismantled. This is the one that we all saw in 2009-2011. Earlier I wrote that the layout of "Armata" was made on its basis. Sorry, I was wrong - bad people were misled. It turned out that in fact it was turned into a BMPT-72. The second prototype constantly disappears at various exhibitions, is not complete and thoroughly ushatan. If you look at the latest press and the Internet, you can read a lot of different proposals on the topic of possible candidates for "biathletes". But ... I am extremely interested in why our serial T-90A is always absent in them? You might think that the illiterate public is simply talking about this wonderful car, if again not one BUT ... the T-90A was planned to participate in last year's competitions. Photos of these cars, painted in the colors of the participating teams, appeared on the network. But these tanks did not even appear in the biathlon demonstration program. Why? Is it because our military knows something more about them than can be said?

http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2014/02/blog-post_15.html

[vorobey]

[quote = Kars] The campaign is preparing a participant for the tank biathlon.

Hi Andrew. Are you all ulcerating?

If it weren’t for some cunning of the gurkhan, then the T90 - (before being adopted) was under the T72BM index so the T90 was adopted. but the indices m, mese, ah, ay are not the point.

[quote = Kars] T-90A was planned to participate in last year's competitions. The network has photos of these cars, painted in the colors of participating teams. But these tanks at the biathlon did not even appear in the show program. Why? Is it because our military knows more about them than you can say? [/ Quote]

And how many districts are equipped with this machine so that you can reach everyone.

T72 equalized the chances of the crews.

[Kars]

Quote: vorobey

Hi Andrew. Are you all ulcerating?

And what can I say? It can be said that the UVZ apologist writes. But the local administration only lets his opus go if it concerns cracks in the BTR-4 or which T-64 is a bad tank.

[vorobey]

Quote: Kars

Quote: vorobey

Hi Andrew. Are you all ulcerating?

And what can I say? It can be said that the UVZ apologist writes. But the local administration only lets his opus go if it concerns cracks in the BTR-4 or which T-64 is a bad tank.

Andryukha but it’s so feminine petty revenge. You are putting yourself in an awkward position. Damask steel will come to biathlon, let the snot gurkhanu and wipe it at the same time and you will be on a horse. Unless of course seventy-two does not hurt.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vorobey

Andryukha but it's so feminine petty revenge

Minus

[Alekseev]

Quote: Kars

And what do I mean? ”I can say that the UVZ apologist writes.

Here, it seems, about how people tried to preserve history, and he still imagines his enemy "Khan". What is biathlon here for? A cracked APC and a T-64, you see, it's a pity.
What is, dear, "broad" (ardent) patriot, i.e.
And there is no need to suffer. And Alexei, and the sparrow, and I write and wrote directly, without "equivocation" different about the shortcomings, which are the place to be in the Russian army, military-industrial complex and BTT. And do not suffer.
We also write about the shortcomings of Ukrainian technology. We do not suffer "even once" either.
And we write about the good in our countries, if, of course, there is one.
Why be like an ostrich, with its head in the sand, and even trying to scream: everything is fine, a beautiful marquise ?!
Yes, let them organize such a show (and tank biathlon exactly show to popularize military service, and not a comparative tender for MBT) in an independent place instead of the Maidan. How nice! Or Maidan to a tank training ground, otherwise the whole center of Kiev was spoiled by banderlogs ...
I would write to the authorities how good it would be to pour them from a fire engine GPM-54 of Ukrainian production!
By the way, a good car, I had a chance to meet her at the Ussuri BTRZ!
The prize will be given. In Hebrews.
For sim, success.

[Kars]

Quote: Alekseev

Here, it seems, about how people tried to preserve history, and he still imagines his enemy "Khan".

Would you try to read something, for fun.
I don’t dream, I wanted to repost today, but the administration decided to remove it.

Quote: Alekseev

What is, dear, "broad" (ardent) patriot, that is

Well, so I reposted

I admit that our valiant military for safety purposes go these two ways at once. And nafuya? Yes, simply because we finished playing in the tanks ... and were left without them.

http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2014/02/blog-post_15.html

Quote: Alekseev

Yes, let them organize such a show (and a tank biathlon is a show to popularize military service

By the way, there’s a billion rubles.

Quote: Alekseev

For sim, success.

Required.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vorobey

Hi Andrew. Are you all ulcerating?

Sanya, you’ve hit this Kars, it’s my brother! minus you are fat, drive into the skull

[vorobey]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

minus you are fat, drive into the skull

And on the hill? Shovel ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vorobey

And on the hill? Shovel ...

A skull on the shoulder strap

[vorobey]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: vorobey

And on the hill? Shovel ...

A skull on the shoulder strap

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vorobey

vorobey

And your video does not work
Choose whichever you prefer Damn, Igor 67, what kind of banana do you put a sparrow on pluses, he asked for minuses. I’m doing gray straps for him here, and he follows and pluses

[vorobey]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Choose whichever you prefer

Hang on anyone, anyway I won’t give out military secrets to your bourgeoisie.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vorobey

Hang any

I like the first one from the left, cap. since you will be the most. And authoritatively and tastefully

[Alex 241]

Hey brothers, what's going on? What skulls?

[vorobey]

Quote: Alex 241

Hey brothers, what's going on? What skulls?

With Romanov, a piece of fat was not shared. And vodka every time tries to eat more.

[Alex 241]

Yes, I’ll pour it to you myself, and my bacon is more boring

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Alex 241

and lard is more boring

Sanya, well, you and the serpent tempter ...
Such pictures, yes, in the middle of the working day.

Get a "reply":
I hope everyone suffices.

[Alex 241]

.................................................. ........................

[Armata]

Quote: Aleks tv

Get a "reply":
I hope everyone suffices.

You are all joking. We set T34 and KB2 for the museum in Pyshma even without vodka. True, the KV2 tower is a remake, but still.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Armata

We set T34 and KB2 for the museum in Pyshma even without vodka. True, the KV2 tower is a remake, but still.

Does the KV-2 in Verkhnyaya Pyshma have a "remake" tower?
Eugene, pliz in more detail ...
Just wondering.

[Alex 241]

Lesha photo albums, see the links http://eugend.livejournal.com/112255.html http://eugend.livejournal.com/2053.html

[Armata]

Quote: Alex 241

Lesha photo albums click on the links

This is a parade in Pyshma. In this museum, all the equipment on the go or in the process of complete restoration. This is the uniqueness of the museum.

[Alex 241]

And will the airplanes also be brought to operational status? Not in the know?

[Armata]

Quote: Alex 241

And will the airplanes also be brought to operational status? Not in the know?

Aircraft (except MIG) there recently in the exposition. Moreover, the organizer of the museum is no longer alive. So I do not know how further the plant will dispose of aircraft technology. It would be better to restore the ship’s gun from the exposition.

[Armata]

Here the installation moment was still not on the move.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Armata

Here the installation moment was still not on the move.

But I didn’t look at KV-2 ... heh.
In the spring I am going to Pyshma again, I have not seen the "internal" exposition, and new planes. Was just last winter and work was in full swing there.
Thanks for the help, Eugene.


Sanya, come to us, we drive together.
There is something to see.

[Alex 241]

Yes, to me in November, Seryoga tore his whole soul First, we will transfer you and your family to a new location, and then we will drive

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Can I have it with you?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

For the museum in Pyshma, we set T34 and KB2 on the move, even without vodka Eugene, I respect you very much, but we don’t have to do our brains ... so we believed ... (about vku)

[igor67]

Quote: Alex 241

Yes, I’ll pour it to you myself, and my bacon is more boring

Sanya for what? I just ate and here again

[Alex 241]

Come, pop, eat your mugs

[igor67]

Quote: Alex 241

Come, pop, eat your mugs

If the muzzle, otherwise the stomach grows

[Armata]

Quote: igor67

Sanya for what? I just ate and here again

Yes, you can’t feed you at all. Don’t wake up at all.))))))))))))))))))

[vlad_pr]

Saliva choked ... You can’t be so cruel.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vorobey

With Romanov, a piece of fat was not shared.

Yes

[vorobey]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: vorobey

With Romanov, a piece of fat was not shared.

Yes

Plus to you, maybe even a happy face crack?

[Alex 241]

Sleigh, do not tie it up, it was not enough to "scrape" together!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vorobey

Plus to you, maybe even a happy face crack?

Less to you, maybe even now people are throwing five of them to you, otherwise I’m minus all the goat’s tail

[vorobey]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

minus and all the goat down the drain

Kozma rods when he spoke in sight to the root did not mean a goat.

Sanya is not looking in there.

[vorobey]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: vorobey

With Romanov, a piece of fat was not shared.

Yes

The bastard never met Natalya either. Miser.

No, to imagine the whole form of the type, they say, my friend, master of sports, Lt. Col. Chung Chguk Abram Moiseevich was so scared. Are you afraid of competition?
So I'm outside of her.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vorobey

The bastard never met Natalya either. Miser.

And you are not her type

[vorobey]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: vorobey

The bastard never met Natalya either. Miser.

And you are not her type

Do you know everything straight or it seemed to you like that. You introduce ..

But I have a shovel.

[Alex 241]

[/ center] [/ center]

Quote: vorobey

But I have a shovel.

Not San, here you need something more serious than a shovel. Here's something like this.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vorobey

But I have a shovel.

If you hadn’t had a shovel, but a BMW

[vorobey]

Quote: Alex 241

Alex 241

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Alexander Romanov

How do you listen to such a surrender, you must definitely get acquainted on BMW and in trousers.

Better I'm the old fashioned way. Nobody has refused to help carry a shovel.

The wife, for example, when they met a pearl hose on themselves.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vorobey

The wife, for example, when they met a pearl hose on themselves.

Look at Romeo in the mail, and if the wife looks in there first, you’ll rake this hose along the ridge
Sanya, hockey begins, oh and hard for me

[vorobey]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

oh and hard for me

My fat should be eaten less. yes you spent all the hockey in the latrine.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vorobey

. yeah you spent all the hockey in the latrine

A 2-0

[Alex 241]

Quote: vorobey

The wife, for example, when they met a pearl hose on themselves.

Homey you Sanya

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Alex 241

Hey brothers, what's going on? What skulls?

I somehow join Sana ...

Guys, why are you?
Enemies are on the other side ...

Slam a glass of tea and everything will pass.

[vorobey]

Guys, everything is fine. We joke on each other.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Alex 241

Hey brothers, what's going on? What skulls?

Quote: Aleks tv

Guys, why are you?

Hello everybody! Calmly, only without panic
Alexander Romanov RU Today, 11:00 | City Hall of Kiev lasted a day
Quote: vorobey
. and God forbid I will not be counted.
If you don’t get it, then you need to eat less (we)
Answer-Quote: vorobey
Come on for fun. So I’m trying, and instead of helping you, you’re letting all my work go to dust

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

here I’m doing gray epaulettes, but he follows and pluses

Cool shoulder straps, Sanya, and why is the figure -16, maybe better than 69?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: atalef

why is the figure -16,

And that’s so many people he’ve already shoveled with a shovel

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And that’s so many people he’ve already shoveled with a shovel

[vorobey]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: atalef

why is the figure -16,

And that’s so many people he’ve already shoveled with a shovel

No exaggeration. If you came to hand less and the number would be more modest.

[atalef]

Quote: vorobey

No exaggeration. If you came to hand less and the number would be more modest.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vorobey

No exaggeration

Sanya, look atalef posted the video, that's how things are solved in Israel Oh, and here is another minuser drew

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Sanya, look atalef posted the video, that's how things are solved in Israel

Sanya, well, chesslovo. Where did you see a Jew with a shovel?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: atalef

Where did you see a Jew with a shovel?

First, how many Jews have you seen in Israel
And the second, well, how, how

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And the second, well, how, how

It’s obvious in America, we’ll not see them with a shovel

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And the second, well, how, how

It’s obvious in America, we’ll not see them with a shovel

[igor67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: vorobey

vorobey

And your video does not work
Choose whichever you prefer Damn, Igor 67, what kind of banana do you put a sparrow on pluses, he asked for minuses. I’m doing gray straps for him here, and he follows and pluses

Well, I didn’t know, first the cons, and then the shovel on the head

[Kars]

Quote: vorobey

And on the hill? Shovel ...

Do not succumb to the law.
As for revenge on a woman,

Quote: vorobey

You put yourself in an awkward position

Vryatli. Well, I myself would have invented something, and as it may be said, I am distributing information.

Regarding T-35 for biathlon, Ukraine restores T-34
http://fakty.ua/174992-na-rovencshine-nachali-vosstanavlivat-sovetskie-tanki-t-3
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[vorobey]

Quote: Kars

Regarding T-35 for biathlon, Ukraine restores T-34

then already retro biathlon can be arranged. The German T will have sixth chances.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Kars

Okay, I myself would invent something, and so you can spread the information.

Kars, buddy, don’t worry, we won’t give you an insult to the adversary who is frozen and European. We will pile everything on the training ground and win

[Kars]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Kars buddy do not worry,

I kind of explained everything to you already? That’s better on the topic, and who’s your friend and so on. you yourself know. And the corsair too.

[Corsair]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Sanya, you’ve hit this Kars, it’s my brother!

Sorry...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Corsair

Sorry...

Thank you

[Alekseev]

Quote: major071

I applaud while standing! No words, well done!

Totally agree with you!
Moreover, I think that all the costs of restoration will be reimbursed even financially.
Participation in the filming of films, exhibitions, etc.

[alone]

Quote: major071

I applaud while standing! No words, well done!

Well yes! They worked hard for the glory! By the way, there were only a few T-35s. It's glad that at least one of them was completely restored. This is truly a story.

[mountain]

This is a rarity, well done. Bravo enthusiast!

[morpogr]

I would like all the exhibits on the go. And the museum spent sightseeing days at least once a month showing the equipment on the go.

[officer29]

Quote: morpogr

at least once a month showing equipment on the go.

Once a month - this, of course, is cool! But we must not forget that the equipment is rare, there are practically no spare parts! motor resource is very small! But on Tankist Day it would be very cool! Although on this day in the Cuban Museum a lot of interesting things are happening! Well, the guys who restored the tank are very respected !!!

[Stas57]

Quote: morpogr

And the museum spent sightseeing days at least once a month showing the technique on the move

to completely kill her?

[alexbg2]

The car is impressive.
Tanks of such a scheme, although they are considered a dead end, but still handsome, such a feeling of power!

[propolsky]

I respect guys!

[Ivan Petrovich]

tracked battleship ...
and yet it’s good that they thought better of it in time in favor of a single-tower scheme

[alex-kon]

We can pass all Europe through such exhibits and monuments.

[Aleks tv]

Yes, a real rarity.

Enthusiasts - Respect. This is not an easy matter in every sense.

[vorobey]

Land battleship.

Handsome.

[Wedmak]

Bravo! Unique car of its kind.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Alex tv and Mechanic balm for the soul! BUT??? guys? Well, it's nice to read such news! there are caring people whom you can safely call patriots without quotes! such work ...! Well, no words! handsome men! thanks a lot ! we would have such a museum in Pyshma ....!

[Arberes]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Alex tv and Mechanic balm for the soul! BUT???

I also just thought about it, I won’t continue thinking further, otherwise they’ll think the devil knows what ???
Greetings, dear Andrei Yurievich (4)

[Andrey Yuryevich]

and you do not get sick dear Arberes!

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Alex tv and Mechanic balm for the soul! BUT???

That's for sure...
Andrey, but here a whole cohort gathered by Matera Mazuta. ALL balm for the soul.
Still a beautiful dinosaur ...

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

we would have such a museum in Pyshma ....!

...................................

ps Andrey, but what didn’t come to the meeting in early February?
Zhenya (Mechanic), Sergey (svp67) with a friend, yes, I had a really good time.

Zheka and I later, and the bubble, ahem ... crushed ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Hello Alexey! I told Zhenya that I got to work ... the schedule is fucked up, they change it like the weather, and he already cried into his vest that he didn’t meet with you ... and you ... shame on you ... again digging into the wound ...

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

and you ... shame on you ... again digging into the wound ...

Plin ...
Andrey, forgive the damned ...


Lana, our barrel is not drunk yet.
See you one day.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

and then .... fso ahead

[sinukvl]

Well guys give well done! And the car is beautiful!

[Kovrovsky]

Quote: vorobey

Land battleship.

Handsome.

Rather, a cruiser.

[Zubr]

The car is quite interesting. You can’t add up such a collectible copy of the price. Well done! This is a real tribute to our historians of machine tools. Keep our history bit by bit. This business is necessary and important. Did the men even get a prize? A NECESSARY, VERY NECESSARY TO GIVE!

[erased]

An interesting project was at one time. Although a dead end branch of the development of armored vehicles, but much has given designers and tankers. And those who managed to restore and launch it - well done!

[Argon]

And it seems to me there is no need to get so excited about the "dead-end branch", especially in light of the concept of equally protected, unmanned platforms. However, the news is positive - for the Cuban, the problem of completeness of the exhibits is urgent, and then there is already a restoration to the running level. Hopefully, it will come to other equally unique samples.

[Leprechaun]

Severe shushpanzer!

[Russ69]

Ah .. handsome ... Bravo !!!

[Shadowcat]

Beauties. I wonder which tanks there are still not underway and which are in line for repairs?

Z.S.A.

[smersh70]

By the way, I’d like to make a film about this tank with 5 tankers based on the story of how it smashed the Germans in Minsk after its occupation ......

[Andrey57]

By the way, I’d like to make a film about this tank with 5 tankers based on the story of how it smashed the Germans in Minsk after its occupation ......

In the 1941 year in Minsk there was a T-28 tank, but, for sure, there are also battle stories and on the T35, about which you can make a film

[Stas57]

Quote: Andrey57

In the 1941 year in Minsk there was a T-28 tank, but, for sure, there are also battle stories and on the T35, about which you can make a film

in the Minsk region never there was no t-xnumx.
in Minsk there was 34ka, her photo is full

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Stas57

there has never been a T-28 in the Minsk region.

Surely Andrei is talking about a single T-28 raid in Minsk in 1941.
Read the memories of the driver Dmitry Ivanovich Malko.
So the pros fought.

[Alex 241]

On July 3, 1941, a T-28 tank raided occupied Minsk. The crew included cadets of the school, a senior sergeant with long service and one officer with the rank of major. In the course of movement, this random crew repeatedly entered into battle, destroyed an enemy convoy, a large number of manpower and armored vehicles. On the outskirts of Minsk, the tank was hit. Two died immediately. The fate of the others was different. Witnesses of this raid were residents of the occupied city. After the war, they restored this story ...

[Stas57]

it’s not necessary to learn the history of cinema, whether it’s Discovery or RTR
I know what I mean,
in the Minsk region there has never been t28
almost all t28 in the western districts are known, up to the chassis numbers and the place of their loss
according to the descriptions, he put his feet there on the shoulders of a mechanical driver, yeah in T28

in Minsk raided by T 34, as confirmed by the Germans
for example

if you are so sure about T28, answer me on the 2 of the question, with the source cited
1. Who owned the T28
2. Where is the photo of the T28 tank at the very place where it was knocked out, and why is it not there, but is there the T34?

[Alex 241]

Photo below. On June 28, 1974, the newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda published an article entitled "Tank in the Square." The basis was taken of the episodes of the struggle of the Minsk underground, told the author of the article I. Muromtsev, head of the design bureau of the Riga shipyard V. Gamaleev. In 1941, he lived with his mother on Komarovka in the premises of a former kindergarten, which at that time housed the outpatient clinic. I’ll cite the part of the memoirs that concerns the tank: “The Nazis spent several days in Minsk. Suddenly, a tank with a red star on board bursts into Sovetskaya Street from the west.
Motorcycles with the Nazis rushed towards. The tank continued to race, crushing motorcycles under itself and conducting continuous machine-gun fire. He broke into the square, the very one where the monument to the partisans now stands (apparently, we are talking about Yakub Kolas Square. - Approx. Aut.), And stopped. Either the engine stalled or the fuel ran out. The Germans pulled up an anti-tank gun and hit the tank with direct fire.
The car broke out, in the opening hatch appeared a driver-driver enveloped in flames. There was an automatic burst, and he fell on the paving stones of the square.
The shooter-radio operator who jumped out after his comrade, seeing the approaching machine gunners, shot himself.
The tank commander managed to run to the street and hid in one of the yards ... Every morning flowers appeared on the tank, leaflets from the underground city party committee were glued on its sides, inscriptions were written that called for a fight against the invaders. We guys who lived at the Komarovsky dispensary several times managed to write down its sides with the words "Death to the fascist invaders!" The martial arts continued for almost three years, and finally, the commandant of Minsk ordered the undefeated tank to be taken away. ”

[Stas57]

Quote: Alex 241

Photo below

absolutely right, this is that tank on Yakub Kolas Square
and now look at the path of Malko
"We were approaching Komarovka, and in front of us was already visible a saving fork in the road",
“… .Our T-28, lifting a column of black smoke to the sky, stood at the Komarovskaya fork”
1944 - “When we entered Komarovka, I saw a charred skeleton of a tank at a fork in the streets and recognized my T-28 in it”
“For a long time, the tank stood at the Komarovsky market approximately opposite to the place where the building of the Minsk Philharmonic is now ...”
According to the description, it turns out that the T-28 was moving in the same direction as the T-34 and should stand almost in the same place, or quite a bit behind the thirty-four. Judging by the details with the Philharmonic. In any case, if he really stood there all the war, then in the photographs of the T-34 he should be visible
Miracle, huh? in one place, two completely different tanks slip in and die, and both stand to the end of the war a few steps from each other, and here's the joke, the photo of one is in the thousands, and the photo of the second is not a single one, and even on the T34 tank I do not see point blank
So was the T28? and who should I believe? movie or photo in front of my eyes?

[Alex 241]

T-28 raid scheme in occupied Minsk

T-28, he stood at the Komarovskaya fork in the road until the day of the liberation of Minsk.

[Alex 241]

By the way, there are memoirs of a German officer, unfortunately I do not remember the name of the book. The first time they had to encounter a single Soviet tank in Minsk on June 28, 41 years.

[Stas57]

in!
you google on VIF, RKKA, IMF there everything is already disassembled by bones
for example from another place

it's just that Malko's story raises questions. Many questions. And there is no documentary evidence of the events described. At least one (only one) photograph of the T-28 in Minsk would remove most of the questions. But there are literally hundreds of photos of this T-34 (standing, by the way, very close to the place where Malko left the T-28 in his story - the so-called "Komarovka") and not a single photo from the T-28. In addition, in the guesthouse of the German 20th TD there is a description of the T-34 breakthrough through the city on June 29 and its destruction, in the report of the 20th light anti-aircraft battalion attached to the 74th TD there is a description of the battle with the "Christie tank" both BT-shki and T-34) in the area of ​​the bridge over the Svisloch (three civilians jumped from the tank under the bridge according to the same description).

Again, according to Malko's story, the T-28 was at the 105th warehouse near Minsk, where he himself was the "warehouse manager", but there are no documents somehow confirming this. 30 Т-28 (2nd, 3rd and 4th categories) are listed for the 4th TD, 28 (of the same categories) - for the 7th TD (6th MK), 6 more - at the Kiev repair plant No. 7 - these are all T-28s related to the ZAPOVO.

Another big complaint about Malko's story is that he "found" his T-28 in the already liberated Minsk in 1944. There are detailed aerial photographs (both German and ours) of Minsk, and already in May 1944, before the liberation of Minsk, the T-34 from the above photographs was removed from the streets. However, there is no hint of other tanks on the streets of the city, even on aerial photographs of the 41st year.

At the scene, you can simply quote Malko:
"The tank climbed to the ridge of the street, and I saw Komarovka ahead - wooden houses, a market, a fork in the road. I was delighted: after all, it's only two or three kilometers from Komarovka to the city outskirts."
"We were approaching Komarovka, and a saving fork in the road was already visible ahead."
"Our T-28, raising a column of black smoke to the sky, stood at the very fork in Komarovskaya"
In 44: "When we entered Komarovka, I saw a burnt-out skeleton of a tank at a fork in the streets and recognized it as my T-28"
According to the description - this is in meters 50 from T – 34.

Another weak point in Malko’s story is that he doesn’t “fight” with any gesture of German units stationed in Minsk. There is no information about a tank breakthrough through Minsk at noon on July 3 (the city has been under occupation for 5 days, by the way).

[Stas57]

that it was a shielded T – 28 (the shielding of small towers was a good fault), there weren’t such physical ones in the ZAPOVO, the shielding was carried out in Leningrad, and apart from the LenVO and PribOV mechanical enclosures, only T – 28 from KOVO were shielded.
As for the PribOVO, I will explain separately, two shielded T-28s were in the 21st tank brigade (belonging to the ZapOVO), but the brigade was directed to the formation of the 4th TD of the 6th mechanized corps and one battalion to form the 2nd TD of the 3rd mechanized corps, the very formation of the 3rd mechanized corps began before the formation of the PribOVO as such. In the list of the presence of the T-28 in the 6th MK for June 1941, there is no data on the shielded tanks (but one "iron" one is separately noted - that is, not made of armored steel - an early tank model 1933 g.)

There is no specific binding of precisely this T – 28.

Well, and a photo of the komorovka from the time of occupation of the sea, where is it against the background of clear and clear Minsk landmarks?

where t-28 on aerial photos until 44, they are online

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Stas57

it’s not necessary to learn the history of cinema, whether it’s Discovery or RTR

Be careful with the expressions, Stas. It seems you are not rude here.
No need to invent for everyone who studies what.
Okay?

Malko read the book at school.
Do you think there was no verification of this fact?
A breakthrough could be some.
T-34 could be from the 6-th and from the 11-th mechanized corps. Like the T-28 raid.

Before declaring SO, but it is necessary to comprehensively study the issue and translate serious evidence, rather than reading a flock or two on the internet.
Is not it ???

I will comprehensively study your assumption. Maybe I’ll find out something.
For me, this raid is not an empty phrase.

With respect:
Alex.

[Stas57]

Alex.
I would like to offend, I offended))
I would ask, for example, what is "ktv 1s" or what is the tsamo 500 fund, and it would immediately become clear who is teaching history for what.

I advise you to go to the Red Army, they dismantled it with a map and aerial photographs and German docks and photographs and T28 were counted on the fingers.
There is no evidence of the history of malko according to documents, only T34 ..
well, sorry if anything ...

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Stas57

I advise you to go to the Red Army, they dismantled it with a map and aerial photographs and German docks and photographs and T28 were counted on the fingers.
There is no evidence of malko history according to documents, only T34

I have already promised that I will delve into the materials. And I will do it.

I am always wary of "new" materials. The caustic specialists and services did not have any questions for several decades, but here the "truth" emerges.

I emphasize once again - you need to be firmly confident in your words before blaming what was in the war.
This is the main thing that I wanted to say.

And about "offending" - do not tease, not a kindergarten. "Long" not going to face off.
Something like this.

[Stas57]

And I don’t. Those who died near 34 have no names and their feat is unknown. But everyone knows t28.

New diggers have something not to see in 70x photos, aero, tsamo, etc.
Short luck in finding

[Alex 241]

Quote: Stas57

500 tsamo fund,

Regarding the TsAMO in Podolsk, there are several "funerals" for one person, despite the fact that he is alive, and is registered as a dead person. There is even a known case when 5 funerals came to a person, and they are all in this archive.

[Stas57]

It happens .
My grandfather even has a grave, he’s aumer in 89

[Alex 241]

Quote: Stas57

My grandfather even has a grave, he’s aumer in 89

I respect Stas. It's just that no one belittles the feat of the T-34 crew, and does not doubt. It is a pity that the names of these heroes are not known. There are photos of the dead tankers next to the tank, but I will not post it for ethical reasons.

[Stas57]

I also have these.
Someone managed to find out

[Alex 241]

Quote: Stas57

Someone managed to find out

So write. Here's another testimony of the Germans: ... that the Germans remember very well the battle with a tank breaking through Minsk. Still not to remember if the commander of your tank division was wounded in this battle.
However, in addition to this, they also remember much more. For example, the fact that the tanks broke through not one, but two. One broke through, the second fought in the city until it ran into headquarters 20. Panzer-Division, there was shot down by the VET and finished off with a bunch of grenades by one of the signalmen.

[Stas57]

Alex 241
firstly, "my own" tanks meant.
secondly, we are talking about the fact that the remaining should be t28.
we do not touch on the participation there Malko, nor the second tank

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Stas57

it’s not necessary to learn the history of cinema, whether it’s Discovery or RTR
I know what I mean,
in the Minsk region there has never been t28
almost all t28 in the western districts are known, up to the chassis numbers and the place of their loss
according to the descriptions, he put his feet there on the shoulders of a mechanical driver, yeah in T28

in Minsk raided by T 34, as confirmed by the Germans

In the photo you provided 34 with a F-34 cannon, which you began to install in July 1941, after it was put into service.
How could this tank be in Minsk at the beginning of the war?
1940 tanks and the 1st half of 1941. equipped with an L-11 gun.

[wanderer_032]

Pay attention to the mask and gun size (barrel length).

[Alex 241]

Hello Sasha, it’s embarrassing that some photos show a tank in "bast shoes", others do not ...................

[wanderer_032]

Hi Sanya.
These cars are all in the 41st year, no doubt, but in those photos that Stas provided the cars produced at least July of the 41st year.
These photos do not fit with his story.

[Stas57]

show you t34 photo not from L11 June 41?
ps, by the way F-34 were put with 451 cars from February 1941 of the year

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Stas57

show you t34 photo not from L11 June 41?

Show if not difficult, interesting to see.
In order not to over comment, you can in PM.

[Stas57]

ok, I’ll answer 1 photos here,

t-34-76 6 MK Slonim 24,06,41

+ + + +
Tank "T-34" with the "F-34" gun from the 32nd TD of the 4th MK, knocked out in the Yazuv Stary area
25,6,41

[wanderer_032]

I rummaged through the "bins" and found that from February 1941. F-34 cannons were delivered to plant No.183 in Kharkov (82 units were shipped in February to plant No.92, from March the cannons went in a stream, and the decision on their adoption was adopted in July 1941).
I admit I was wrong.
But about the story with the T-28, I still disagree with you.

[Stas57]

Quote: wanderer_032

I admit I was wrong.
But about the story with the T-28, I still disagree with you.

your will.
I think this is a good reason to climb and search

[Stas57]

I do not doubt your ability to identify tanks, but the fact that this is Minsk summer 41 = 100% guarantee

[Andrey Yuryevich]

the feeling that history is making a turn and repeating itself ... from February 11 of this year about Mylnikov Seryoga ...

[Stas57]

I know what I mean,
in the Minsk region there has never been t28
almost all t28 in the western districts are known, up to the chassis numbers and the place of their loss
according to the descriptions, he put his feet there on the shoulders of a mechanical driver, yeah in T28

in Minsk raided by T 34, as confirmed by the Germans
for example

[Alex 241]

Padded T-28 on the outskirts of Minsk. After the battle, a local resident, Lyubov Kireeva, buried two people - a major who, until recently, had been shooting back from the Nazis from a Nagan and one of the cadets. The second cadet, apparently, either burned out in the tank, or was killed trying to get out of it. The fates of the survivors are different. The downed T-28 stood in Minsk the entire occupation, reminding both the Germans and Minskers about the feat of our soldiers. The crew of the T-28:

The commander of the tank / turret shooter Major Vasechkin

Mechanic driver Senior Sergeant Dmitry Malko

Charging Cadet Fedor Naumov

Machine gunner right tower Cadet Nikolai Pedan

Machine gunner left tower Cadet Sergey (last name unknown)

Machine gunner of the rear machine gun of the head tower Cadet Alexander Rachitsky.

[Stas57]

in that it is a shielded T – 28 (the shielding of small towers is clearly visible), there weren’t any such ones in the ZAPOVO, the shielding was carried out in Leningrad, and apart from the LenVO and PribOV mechanical enclosures, only T – 28 from KOVO were shielded.
As for the PribOVO, I will explain separately, two shielded T-28s were in the 21st tank brigade (belonging to the ZapOVO), but the brigade was directed to the formation of the 4th TD of the 6th mechanized corps and one battalion to form the 2nd TD of the 3rd mechanized corps, the very formation of the 3rd mechanized corps began before the formation of the PribOVO as such. In the list of the presence of the T-28 in the 6th MK for June 1941, there is no data on the shielded tanks (but one "iron" one is separately noted - that is, not made of armored steel - an early tank model 1933 g.)

There is no specific binding of precisely this T – 28.

[Alex 241]

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[Alex 241]

The question of how many T-28 tanks were in the troops at the beginning of World War II was discussed repeatedly, both in various print sources and on the Internet. Especially a lot of questions were raised by the T-28 tanks of the Western Special Military District. However, the researchers did not come to a consensus.
Some explanation should be given here. The fact is that quantitative and qualitative accounting of armored vehicles was carried out in a special form No. 151 in accordance with the order of the People's Commissar of Defense (NPO) of the USSR No. 15 dated January 10, 1940, which entered into force on April 1, 1940, “Manual on Accounting and Reporting in the Red Army. " According to this instruction, the division of all property according to its quality condition into the following categories was provided:
1st category - new, not previously in use, meeting the requirements of technical conditions and quite suitable for use for its intended purpose; 2nd category - former (in) use, fully operational and suitable for its intended use. This also includes property requiring military repair;
3rd category - requiring repair in district workshops (average repair);
4th category - requiring repair in central workshops and factories (major repairs). Tanks already dispatched to factories and repair facilities were not excluded from the lists of units, but were shown in this column by the denominator;
5th category - unsuitable (were not included in the summary sheet according to form No. 151).
In 1940, information in form No. 151 was sent from military districts to the KBTU KA twice - as of July 1 and September 15, as well as January 1, 1941. However, the new accounting system was not fully developed until the start of World War II. True, there were intermediate reports (for example, on March 1, 12, April 23-30, May 1, June 1, 1941), but they, unfortunately, do not give a complete picture. You can find out what problems occurred when accounting for military vehicles in military districts from the document below, dated April 24, 1941:
“An explanatory note to the information on the state of the fleet of military vehicles as of January 1, 1941.
1. Comparing the presence of military vehicles with the amount produced by industrial plants, the following discrepancies were revealed ...
2. The recount conducted on January 1, 1941 and the secondary request of the districts to clarify the recount of significant changes in the availability data did not change.
The presence of existing combat vehicles in repair as of January 1, 1941 is fully accounted for. At the same time, all machines located outside the districts (plants, institutes, etc.) were taken into account.
3. The archived material from 1929 on the accounting of special operations and the cancellation of military vehicles did not give a significant change in reducing shortages, since there were no write-offs of military vehicles until 1936 ...
4. At one time, the UMM - ABTU KA combat vehicles were transferred to the troops of the NKMF and NKVD, as well as organizations of the USSR OSOAVIAHIM, this transfer was not found in the documents ...

[Alex 241]

<…> 7. The vehicles that are in the warehouses of the central directorates of non-profit organizations (for example, military warehouse No. 136, Kubinka, UVHZ) are not fully taken into account, the central directorates are requested on this issue.
8. Inconsistency in the types of vehicles should be fully attributed to insufficient accounting by military units, since the total number for a single make as a whole gives a smaller number of discrepancies than for types of vehicles.
9. Part of the shortcomings should also be attributed to inaccurate accounting conducted by the districts on January 1, 1941. This is because the rediscount directive issued by the 1st Division of the GBTU KA in the districts was misunderstood. Some districts did not at all take into account machines located in district warehouses (KOVO, ZAPOVO, PrivO, SibVO, etc.) and garrison workshops, for example LBO.
In addition, the districts did not fully comply with the directive, since cars 2-3 months after re-counting, arriving for repairs at industrial plants and repair facilities of NPOs, as a rule, do not have marks in the forms on the re-counting as of January 1, 1941 (KOVO, OdVO , PRIVO, CABO, LBO), which introduces enormous confusion into the accounting data and does not provide full availability, and also causes enormous correspondence with districts. Conclusion. 1. As of July 1, 1941, it is necessary to give counties also instructions for re-counting, which would exclude the possibility of repeating the mistakes of re-counting on July 1, 1940, September 15, 1940, and January 1, 1940.
2. Upon receipt of the rediscount data as of July 1, 1941 from the districts, as well as data from the NKVD, OSOAVIAKHIM and TsU NPO, finalize the accounting material and decide on the machines listed in the shortfall column.
Head of Division 4, BTU KA, military engineer of the 2nd rank / Seleznev /
Head of Division 2 of Division 4 of BTU KA Major / Sinitsyn /. "
Nevertheless, some conclusions and estimates of the presence of T-28 tanks by the beginning of the Great Patriotic War on the basis of various reports for 1941 can be made.
So, according to the “Information on the state of the fleet of military vehicles as of January 1, 1941” (summary table for the Red Army) in the military districts there were the following number of T-28 tanks: MBO - 8, LVO - 88, KOVO - 177, ZAPOVO - 53 (plus one training), PribOVO - 57, PRIVO - 7, total 390. At the repair depots of the People’s Commissariat of Defense and industrial plants there were T-28: anonymized (to be written off from the register) - 40, KOVO - 38, ZAPOVO - 9 and PrivO - 2 , total 89.
In addition, there were 4 T-28 tanks outside the districts (1 - NIBT training ground in Kubinka, 2 - Plant No. 92 in Gorky and 1 - Plant No. 174 in Leningrad. Thus, a total of 484 T-28 tanks were registered, which, most likely close to the truth, if you count 503 tanks released and 32 lost cars during the Soviet-Finnish war.
According to data provided by the military districts at
January 1, 1941, you can get more detailed information about the presence and condition of the T-28 tanks.
So, in the Kiev Special there were 177 units, of which 148 were cars of the 2nd category, 28 - the 3rd and 1 - the 4th. By year of release were distributed as follows: 1934 - 8,
1935 - 4, 1936 - 40, 1937 - 12, 1938 - 41, 1939 - 66 and 1940 - 5. Of this, 91 were armed with an L-10 cannon.
Western Special: 53 T-28 tanks, of which 16 vehicles are of the 2nd category, 30 are of the 3rd and 7 are of the 4th. According to the years of production, they were distributed as follows: 1935 - 3, 1936 - 18, 1937 - 15, 1938 - 16 and 1939 - 1. According to the documents, all tanks were armed with KT-28 cannons. The number of tanks with an L-10 cannon is not indicated in the statement.

[Alex 241]

Baltic Special: 57 T-28 tanks, 22 of them are of the 2nd category, 29 are of the 3rd and 6th are the 4th. The years of release were distributed as follows: 1 - 1933, 2 - 1935, 5 - 1936, 17 - 1937, 29 - 1938 and 3 - 1939. All tanks with cannons KT-28. Leningradsky: 88 T-28 tanks, of which 68 are of the 2nd category, 7 are of the 3rd and 13 are of the 4th. By years of production: 5 - 1934, 10 - 1936, 4 - 1937, 12 - 1938, 22 - 1939 and 35 - 1940 (apparently, tanks passing through the vehicles of 1940 are classified as repair and shielding in 1940. - Approx. author). Of these, 74 T-28 tanks were armed with L-10 guns.
Moscow: 8 T-28 tanks, of which 5 are vehicles of the 2nd category, 1 is the 3rd and 2 is the 4th. By year of release, they were distributed as follows: 1936 - 5, 1937 - 1, 1938 - 1 and 1939 - 1. Of these, 1 T-28 is armed with an L-10 cannon.
Volga: 12 T-28 tanks, of which 2 are of the 2nd category and 10 are of the 3rd. By years of production: 1935 - 2, 1937 - 5, 1938 - 4 and 1940 - 1. Of these, 3 tanks were armed with L-10 cannons. All T-28 Volga Military District were in the 2nd Saratov Armored School. As for the Western Special Military District, by the spring of 1941 the situation with the T-28 was as follows. On March 12, the head of the ZapOVo’s armored vehicle division sent the following letter to the GBTU KA:
“... In your statement in column 5 the cars that are undergoing major repairs are indicated incorrectly and do not correspond to reality, since this information is not from the okrug, but is probably taken from the data of military representatives. For example, you have 24 T-28s under repair for repair, when there are only 5 of them (Kiev, repair plant No. 7). This is the mistake of the military representative, who lists all T-28s as ZAPOVO, while the 21st tank brigade disbanded and departed in two districts, in ZAPOVO and PribOVO, and in the okrug (Western Special. - Approx. Author) there were only 58 T -28 and 1 training iron (with a hull and towers of non-armored steel. - Approx. Author). More in the Zapovo T-28 is not listed and they are not. "
Thus, as of March 12, 1941, there were 54 T-28s (including iron) in the ZAPOVO, and another 5 tanks were under repair in Kiev.

[Alex 241]

As can be seen from the table, the number of tanks in some military districts has changed compared to January 1, 1941. Their number was especially noticeable in KOVO - by 38 cars. This is due to the sending to the district of repair tanks from the Kirov plant.

According to the “Consolidated statement of the availability of military and auxiliary vehicles and their technical condition”, on April 15, 1941, military unit 9325 (4th tank division of the 6th mechanized corps) included 30 T-28s, of which 15 tanks were of the 2nd category, 13 - 3rd and 2nd - 4th, and behind military unit 8995 (7th Panzer Division of the 6th mechanized corps) - 28 T-28 tanks, of which 20 tanks are of the 2nd category,
4 - 3rd and 4 - 4th. In addition to these 28 vehicles, the 7th division also included one iron (training) T-28. It is not entirely clear whether 5 T-28s, which were being repaired in Kiev, had arrived at the beginning of World War II in ZAPOVO. It is very likely that not, since there were problems with the repair of these tanks. For example, the “Report on the business trip of the commission of GBTU KA to KOVO”, dated April 28, 1941 and containing information on the operation of repair bases and warehouses of the district, contained the following information:
“Rembaza No. 7. The plan for the 1st quarter was not fulfilled, instead of 209 machines 194 were completed, shipped in part 48 ...
T-28 machine. 21 units were put into production, all are in a different stage of work, 1 machine has been completed with repairs. The production of tanks is limited by a number of parts that are not available in the warehouses of the district. With a normal supply of necessary parts, the plant will be able to produce 5–7 T-28s in May. ”
According to the latest pre-war report, as of June 1, 1941, military districts had the following number of T-28s (see table).

[Alex 241]

Based on the above table, it seems that 292 T-28 tanks (of the 2nd category) are seemingly operational, however, it is not known how many of them required military repairs - replacing rollers, tracks, batteries, etc. And given the chronic lack of spare parts for the T-28, it would not be an exaggeration to consider approximately 170-200 vehicles as fully operational and operational. In addition, it should be borne in mind that tanks with a KT-28 cannon were completely unsuitable for fighting enemy tanks, but could only be used to support infantry.
The presence of T-28 tanks directly in the divisions of mechanized corps was less than their total number in military districts (see table). For example, in KOVO there were 215 T-28s as of June 1, 1941, and as part of mechanized corps - 201. The rest were at the repair bases of the district. The first to engage in battle were the T-28 tanks of the 5th Panzer Division, located in Alytus. Parts of the division were withdrawn from the military camp on June 19 and took up defense on the eastern outskirts of the city on the right bank of the Neman River. Therefore, when at 4.20 on June 22, 1941 German aviation began to bombard the parks of the division, there was already nobody there. When the tanks and infantry of the 39th motorized corps of the Germans began to cross the Neman along two bridges, they were met by artillery fire and counterattacks by Soviet tanks. In the documents on the fighting of the division, the T-28 tanks are given the following rating:
“By the start of hostilities, 27 T-28 tanks were not operational due to wear and tear. During the battle for the bridges, the personnel of the 1st battalion of the 9th tank regiment acted heroically. He had 24 T-28 tanks and, from a place of artillery fire, supported the advance of the 2nd battalion (BT-7 tanks. - Approx. Author). The enemy’s movement across the north bridge was suspended ...
Only at 7.00:23 a.m. on June 5, when new enemy units appeared and due to a lack of ammunition, did the units of the 9th Panzer Division retreat in the direction of the Daugee-Vilna. On the day of the battle, the 24th tank regiment lost out of 28 T-16s on the battlefield XNUMX, the rest were out of order and were blown up by the crews. ”
No information could be found on the fighting of the T-28 of the 2nd Panzer Division of the 3rd Mechanized Corps, but most of them were most likely out of order for technical reasons.
Most of the T-28, located in a warehouse near Minsk, fell into the hands of the Germans in the very first days of the war. Although, judging by the available photographs, a number of T-28s were used in battles. And on June 29, one tank, driven by foreman D. Malko, rushed along the streets of Minsk at maximum speed, ramming enemy cars and tractors. The tank passed through the whole city and was hit on the eastern outskirts, but several crew members managed to leave the tank and go to their own.

[smersh70]

Quote: Stas57

I know what it is about, there was never a T28 in the Minsk region

Malko himself says that he fought on the T-28, and you are talking about 34. There is some kind of inconsistency. You know better what he fought on ...

[Stas57]

Quote: smersh70

Malko himself says that he fought on the T-28, and you are talking about 34. There is some kind of inconsistency. You know better what he fought on ...

Well, who then broke through on the same day and at the same hour on T34?
and where did the 44 standing before 28 disappear.

not, but memory overlay, errors, etc. do they not affect the little?

[Corsair]

Quote: Stas57

where the 44 standing before 28 disappeared.

Like all equipment lost in battle (ours and the enemy) was sent to re-melting ...

[Stas57]

Quote: Corsair

yakh (ours and the enemy) was sent to the smelting ...
Answer

It should be on an aerial photo, and the photo of the area but it is not

[Alex 241]

Minsk. Episode 2. Tank T-26 with a conical tower on the road Columns-Negoreloe, at the border crossing Kolosovo. The Kolosovo border crossing was located on the old border about fifty kilometers southwest of Minsk.

Presumably this is a tank from the composition of the 26TD 20MK. Here is the report dated 27.06.1941/101/8. “In the Mezinovka 6 area, an enemy group of 20 tanks, 2 cannons and one anti-tank weapon intercepted Stolbtsy, st. Not burned. The reconnaissance patrol of the XNUMXth mechanized corps, operating in the direction of Columns, attacked the enemy from the course, knocked out several tanks, losing their XNUMX tanks. ”

[smersh70]

Quote: Stas57

Well, who then broke through on the same day and at the same hour on T34?

Could another break through on the T-34.

Quote: Stas57

and where did the 44 standing before 28 disappear.

Alex put you a picture of this tank. According to the descriptions, it was all rusty and burnt. Well, that’s what they could do with him. Of course for remelting. Then a resolution was adopted on the restoration of Sovetskaya Street (the current independence) and Minsk began to be actively built. At this time, it was not up to T-28 to erect a monument to him. People had nowhere to live, not before

Quote: Stas57

not, but memory overlay, errors, etc. do they not affect the little?

It was in the years 60-70, what an imposition of memory. What was then under 80 or 90 years old or something. It’s sometimes that veterans sometimes remember such details, at least on the next branch, about Pe-2. He was not in captivity, and they would also say that his memory was lost .......

[Stas57]

Alex put you a picture of this tank. According to descriptions, it was all rusty and burnt.

this tank in Minsk could not be, I answered above,
in the photo of a mosquito and in an aerial photo it is not
once again, in the photo of the mosquito and aerial photo t28 standing before 44 year no

[smersh70]

Quote: Stas57

once again, in the photo of the mosquito and aerial photo t28 standing before 44 year no

Where is this photo here. Show. And yet. You must have been in Minsk. And you mean the Komarovka building in its current form Minsk in 41 was mainly one-story.

[Stas57]

Tornado.
Search in the search engine - t34 Minsk binding 1941
I’m tight with mobile

[Alex 241]

A fragment of a photograph from Life magazine dated September 22, 1941. Six-story building - House of Specialists, built in 1936. In the upper left corner is the church of St. Roch. The first shots at a tank rushing around the city were fired from here.

The mystery of two tanks. July 14, 1941 in the American magazine Time appeared the article "The third week of the war - in search of a second wind." There was a “Minsk" paragraph in it.

The Russians stunned the Nazis with their fanatical courage. German reporters described the insane attack of a Russian tank during street battles for Minsk - it rushed forward like a dinosaur, no matter what. The shells of German anti-tank guns riddled its tower, but the brown monster continued to move, firing in all directions. In the end, the tank was set on fire; the crew died with the car.

In the Soviet newspapers not a word was said about the “dinosaur tank”. But there was a tank. He was seen by the townspeople, and through the years they remembered how an armored avenger alone ripped open a charred skeleton of a city occupied by enemies. Sweeping away everything in its path, he raced across the Soviet east. Many then thought that it was ours who returned ... On Komarovskaya Square, the tank was knocked out and froze as a monument to itself and its heroic crew. It was said that the Germans buried the dead tankers with honors. And at night, on the blackened from the fire armor appeared the inscription "Death to the Nazis!"

[Alex 241]

In the upper left corner of the picture taken from the air on May 28, 1944, is the Institute of Physical Education. Damaged T-34 tank, no center in the same place][/ center] In the mid-60s, there was one of the participants in the heroic breakthrough, mechanic Dmitry Ivanovich Malko. In his memoirs, he wrote that a raid through the city was carried out on July 3, 1941 on a T-28 tank. Three days later, three years later, Malko, as part of the 4th Panzer Brigade, entered liberated Minsk and, according to him, saw his tank in the same place where it had been hit.

When we entered Komarovka, I saw a charred skeleton of a tank at a fork in the streets and recognized my T-28 in it. My throat was constricted by excitement ... - the mechanic said.

Legends have an amazing property: no matter how much time has passed since the initial version appeared, refinements can always occur. They arose. Thirty years after the release of Malko’s memoirs, he earned the Internet and opened access to photographs from the German archives. And there were dozens of shots of the heroic tank. According to legend, he stood opposite the Institute of Physical Education. But ... it was not the T-28, but the T-34! Dozens of photographs of the “thirty-four”, and not a single “twenty-eight” ... Moreover, the aerial photograph taken by the Germans on May 28, 1944, five weeks before the liberation of the city, showed that by this time the T-34 had also disappeared from Komarovskaya Square.

[Alex 241]

Malko could not see what was not!
All this undermined the credibility of the mechanic's memories. And questions arose. Attempts to answer them led to another, much more famous Minsk tank.

Part II Monument

In 1952, a tank was placed on a pedestal near the Officers House. It is known to Minskers as the “Frolikov tank” - the first combat vehicle that burst on July 3, 1944 into the city still occupied by the Germans.

In fact, this is a symbol that has nothing to do with the tank of the second lieutenant Frolikov. He shared the fate of his commander: he went with him to the Lithuanian city of Kibartai, and there, on February 2, 1945, both - the man and his fighting machine - died the death of the brave.

The “thirty-four” on the pedestal has its own story.

[Alex 241]

Tank T-34 in the future Central Square.

In the same 1952, on the Central Square, they were preparing to erect a giant Stalin monument. By the time the leader arrived, the square was put in order: the ruins of the Dominican Cathedral were dismantled, a hill was cut off in the area of ​​the current Palace of Trade Unions.

And they thought: what to do with the war of war and the "thirty-four" rusted from time, standing in a wasteland not far from Internatsionalnaya Street, behind the back of the present Palace of the Republic? Then the idea of ​​a monument to the tankmen who liberated Minsk arose.

[Alex 241]

Exhibition of captured weapons - from K. Marx and from J. Kupala center][/ center] Initially, the inscription was on the pedestal: “On the battlefields, Soviet tankmen showed unparalleled courage and honorably fulfilled their duty to the Motherland. I. B. Stalin. " In the 60s, when the commander of the Tatsin tank corps, General Burdeyny, became the first deputy of the Belarusian military district, the inscription was changed, and it turned out that the monument was dedicated exclusively to Tatsin soldiers.

***

Starting to turn pages of history is hard to stop. One plot gives life to several others, and a series of tanks appears, which in reality turn out to be the only one, captured by memory at different times in different places of the city.

In 1944, on the slope behind the House of the Red Army, the "Exhibition of captured weapons" opened. On three platforms descending to the river gloomily rested captive German equipment: tanks, self-propelled guns, trucks ... Rifles and machine guns lay in stacks. At the entrance, not far from the current circus, the red-star T-34 towered on a concrete pillow as a formidable guard of this weapon concentration camp.

The famous phrase was stamped in concrete: “Whoever comes to us with a sword will perish by the sword.” Three years later, believing that the time had come to erase the traces of the war, the enemy equipment was allowed for re-melting, and the “thirty-four” were thrown into the farthest corner of the wasteland, which in five years would become the Central Square. Taking another step back in time, you can find tank tracks near the Opera House. From here in 1945 he was transported to the House of the Red Army to guard the “Exhibition”.

There is nothing to look further. On previous pages, the ink of time is blurred.

***

We come to the most fragile part of our design. It will probably collapse if you try to combine two stories into one. But this cannot be done!

The fact is that, according to the recollections of old Minskers, the tank appeared at the Opera House long before the junior lieutenant Frolikov burst into the city in his fighting vehicle!

Around the same time, when a tank appeared on the square of the Paris Commune, the tank disappeared from Komarovskaya Square.

Probably, it would be too beautiful (and, therefore, erroneous) to consider that the “thirty-four”, who performed one of the most striking feats in the first days of the war, appeared on a pedestal in the form of a monument. But that would be the highest justice.

If only because the one who leaves the last of the besieged city deserves no less fame than the one who breaks into it first.

[postman]

Quote: Alex 241

that the raid through the city was carried out on July 3, 1941 on the T-28 tank.

prvt.
1.In Bundesarchiv there is no T-28 photo in Minsk, nor what.
2.Is this the wrong place?
photo date 02.07.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX (below)

[postman]

3. Strange of course.
The Germans "loved" to take pictures, there are a lot of photos in Bundesarchiv, and the T-28 is a rare car, and even with such a history (a breakthrough in Minsk)

[Alex 241]

Vasily, good night. Also, I haven’t found the 34th crew of Pavel Rak anywhere. Even on the IS-2 pedestal.

[postman]

Quote: Alex 241

I also haven’t found the 34th crew of Pavel Rak anywhere. Even on the IS-2 pedestal.

yeah.
Cinema (transmission) is:


There’s even a photo in Bundesarchiv (foragers stopped to study the Soviet T-34 tank on the side of the eastern highway of Minsk, August 1941)

[Alex 241]

There is a book, I highly recommend it. I meant photo 34ki.

[Simon]

Many historical facts come up unexpectedly and why not the T-28 to be in Belarus, especially since the fact of the T-28 raid in Minsk is really confirmed by the driver DI Malko.

[smersh70]

Quote: Stas57

there has never been a T-28 in the Minsk region.

You didn’t let Stas work for me today here are the data on Western BO

The presence and technical condition of T-28 tanks in military districts as of June 1, 1941 [
Categories 1 2 3 4 Total
ZaPOVO — -- 19 30 14 63

[Stas57]

Tornado is a county. And in Minsk itself?

[smersh70]

Quote: Stas57

Tornado is a county. And in Minsk itself?

so Malko says so that they WAS departing and they gave him the command to catch up with his when he died out .. The district troops were mainly located in the west of Minsk and it is clear that they were leaving through Minsk or along the lower road where Uruchye was and where it was pre-war airfield and it seems a training ground. And what was in Minsk in the warehouse, as Alex cited the data, so the Germans got it and of course Malko has nothing to do with them.
So Stas, do not argue)) and so did not let me work))) in principle, our little dispute does not touch the heroism of many crews breaking through the capital, through a large city modernized by the invaders. It’s interesting, but what would you and I do then. How much power of bukh and heroism they had, consider that they were going to death. This is not the first time that it’s been that we’ll fight back and the mighty Red Army will come to help. It was the 4th day of the war and the soldiers clearly understood that the armies of the okrug had a big cap and everyone was draping. so that all the heroes are 41 years old Respect and respect !!!

[Stas57]

Tornado.
For the sake of the feat of soldiers, you can spit on world capital))))

Further. Germans in Minsk 5 days. All roads are clogged. He could only break through from a suburb / district.
Further, wildly plus.

[smersh70]

Quote: Stas57

He could only break through from a suburb / district.

..I don’t know whether you know Minsk well, but in the program and according to the memoirs, the tank launched an attack from the present Partizansky Prospekt, then went past the vodka factory near Sverdlov Street, and that was the suburb of Minsk then

[Serg 122]

Just a beast ....

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Aha, a serious dinosaur !!!

[smersh70]

Quote: Serg 122

Just a beast ....

I agree, a monster, but all the same, seeing how he drives and how he turns, in the video, it is now clear why these monsters were not adapted for short-lived, oncoming battles of the summer of 41 with fast T-2 and T-3, why they could not overcome the tank march -throws of mechanized corps near Dubno and Bialystok.

[Duke]

T-35A model 1936
Classification Heavy tank
Breakthrough tank
Combat weight, t 50
The layout scheme is five-tower, classic
Crew, people. 11
History
Manufacturer Union of Soviet Socialist Republics KhPZ
Years of production 1932 — 1939
Years of operation 1932-1941
Number of issued, pcs. 2 prototypes;
61 serial
dimensions
Body length, mm 9720
Case width mm 3200
Height, mm 3430
Clearance, mm 530
Reservation
Type of armor steel rolled homogeneous
Forehead, mm / city. sixteen
Forehead of the hull (top), mm/deg. 50
Forehead of the hull (middle), mm/deg. 20
Forehead of the hull (bottom), mm/deg. 20
Board of the case, mm / city. sixteen
Hull side (top), mm/deg. 20
Hull side (bottom), mm/deg. 20 + 10 (bulwark)
Feed housing, mm / city. thirteen
Bottom, mm 10 — 20
Roof, mm 10
Front of the tower, mm / deg. Xnumx
Board towers, mm / city. 20
The feed of the tower, mm / city. 20
Tower Roof, mm 10 — 15
weaponry
Caliber and brand of gun 1 × 76,2 mm KT-28;
2 × 45 mm 20K
Type of gun rifled
Barrel length, calibers 16,5 for KT-28;
46 for 20K
Gun ammunition 96 for KT-28;
226 for 20K
Angles ВН, deg. −5…+25 for KT-28;
−8 ... + 32 for 20K
GN angles, deg. 360 for KT-28;
191 for nasal 20K;
184 for feed 20K
Sights PT-1 arr. 1932
TOP arr. 1930 year
Machine guns 6-7 × 7,62 mm DT,
10080 cartridges
Mobility
Engine type V-shaped 12-cylinder four-stroke liquid-cooled carburetor M-17L
Engine power, l. With. 500 at 1445 rpm
Highway speed, km / h 28,9
Rough ground speed, km / h 14
Cruising on highway, km 100
Power reserve over rough terrain, km 80-90
Specific power, l. s / t 10
Suspension type interlocked in pairs, on horizontal springs
Ground pressure, kg / cm² 0,78
Overcoming rise, hail. Xnumx
Breaking wall, m 1,2
Overcoming ditch, m 3,5
Overcoming ford, m 1

[Duke]

In the first weeks of the war, one T-35, fully operational and abandoned, apparently due to lack of fuel, was sent by the German command to the tank training ground in Kummersdorf, where it was carefully studied by German engineers. At the same time, the Germans noted that there were problems with transporting the machine - the tank did not fit into the railway gauge, and shifting the levers was incredibly difficult and exhausting. The further fate of this tank is not exactly known, although it is possible that it was with this instance that the last case of the combat use of the T-35 was related, which dates to the end of April 1945. During the defense of Berlin, one captured T-35 from the Zossen test site was included in the 4th company of the 11th Wehrmacht tank regiment. As part of the company, the tank participated in battles in the area of ​​the training ground, where it was soon shot down by a captured German Faust cartridge.

[Skiff_spb]

Captured trophy and knock out))) Truly fate loves to joke)))

[schizophrenic]

The "terminator" substitute can be used. A small revision and you get BMPT.

[bubnovitnik]

I join propolsky.
Thrice !!! I respect such guys! Thank you very much!

[Yuri11076]

There are simply no words ... well done guys !!!

[x.andvlad]

It's good that there are such enthusiasts and masters of their craft. Thank you for cherishing such rare examples of domestic technology. When they say that "the only remaining", it becomes somewhat sad. Then - doubly well done!

[Hort]

and shifting leverage was incredibly hard and exhausting.

Apparently in those days in the mechanized waters they took those who "Yes, I wrap the nuts 35 with my hands!"

And on the subject: if only in Kubinka they made it possible for visitors to ride on equipment that is on the move. At least together with the instructor, or even behind the levers. I would not have broken off there this time, even from Siberia to dangle "kazhny" day off))
I read somewhere that in some of the bourgeois museums there are such services. Like in British (if I don’t confuse anything, of course).
In this regard, by the way, it would be useful to learn from the Americans and the Europeans - for example, the same British have an entertainment service-attraction "air battle": on a real Spitfire or messer with an instructor you rise and "fight" with the enemy. Well, instead of machine guns, of course, laser sensors, but it's still very cool)

[Voldemar]

Ah yes well done.

[Jogan-xnumx]

Well done guys, what to say !!! They do the right and useful thing. Respect to them! This is our story. And without the past, there is no future ...

[waisson]

there is something to see well done homemade

[mithridate]

an example of patriotism not in words but in practice

[svp67]

Yes ... "+++++++++" - news, well, "to the messenger who brought good news." In general, on such a tank, the mechanic had to be an "ace ..."

[svp67]

___________________

[1c-inform-city]

Well done !!! It's just that the video does not understand whether the friction clutch is faulty or the mechanic ate ​​little porridge .

[Stas57]

In Kubinka put on the course of the tank T-35A

what does "put on the move" mean?
before that, he has yet another year of work to be done

[saygon66]

- Thundering fire ...

[Akuzenka]

So, they said modestly about a group of enthusiasts. These guys are not the first to put the car on the move, they put both Panther and Pz IV and BA-3 and T-26 and "Prague" and "Hetzer", T-34, and something else (I don't remember the rest). And all for their hard-earned money, though with the help of the museum staff and military unit at the museum. Thank you !!!!!

[Leshka]

well done that restored

[Roman 1977]

Not men, a little off topic, we had BM-13 "Katyusha" in the Nizhny Novgorod Kremlin before. Previously, only the lazy one did not joke about it, and I, among other things, because the guides were installed on the ZiS-5 chassis, or rather UralZIS, well, in general, a full paragraph (who understands the topic). A kind of "cross between French and Nizhny Novgorod". The only plus was that earlier the doors were open in it and any child could feel like a driver of a Katyusha (including your humble servant during his youth), and then they were brewed.

initial view

And what do you think? They took her and the "goat" GAZ-67B on the GAZ fooled a little, updated it. Today I was in the Kremlin on business (our Nizhny Novgorod government, like the Moscow government, also sits in the Kremlin), and was amazed to find that our Katyusha stands like a good one on a three-axle chassis resembling the ZiS-6, on which they were originally installed.

As they say a trifle, but nice ...

[wanderer_032]

Welcome all!
Work on the restoration of the T-35A must have been done tremendously and the guys who did it were honored and respected.
I looked at the video, I liked how the engine snorts and in general ...
I read about the T-28 and its raid in Minsk in a book.
Here I looked at the "short film" documentary, they shot a good one. For those who have an unbearable "itch" of self-promotion, let them scratch at a more "burly" audience, there are no "grateful" sheep-like listeners here. There were many witnesses to this event, this is not an invention from "Agitprop" here some want to present.

[felix34]

grandfather
I saw him live in the 40s. Beautiful as a battleship! But weak. Even then it was clear.

[moskal68]

I’ll tell you a great secret - in Kubinka ALL tanks are on the go. We even have tank monuments and those on the go. I do not understand such enthusiasm about this, to be honest. The tank, of course, is impressive.

[svp67]

Quote: 68

I’ll tell you a great secret - in Kubinka ALL tanks are on the go. We even have tank monuments and those on the go.

I’ll tell you a bigger secret - not all ... for example, the German tank Mouse,

[Stas57]

I’ll tell you a great secret - in Kubinka ALL tanks on the go

and mouse?
and a stormtrooper?
and rhombus?

[Hort]

Wow! And the mortar "Karl" is also on the move ?! And Object 279 ?!

[moskal68]

Quote: svp67

Quote: 68

I’ll tell you a great secret - in Kubinka ALL tanks are on the go. We even have tank monuments and those on the go.

I’ll tell you a bigger secret - not all ... for example, the German tank Mouse,

Well, here he is the only one on the go, for he was assembled from two unfinished Mous.

[svp67]

Quote: 68

Well, here he is the only one on the go, for he was assembled from two unfinished Mous.

[colonel manuch]

A deep bow to the guys who restored this model of Soviet tank building! Special thanks to colleagues for interesting posts.

[Stas57]

A deep bow to the guys who restored this model of Soviet tank building! Special thanks to colleagues for interesting posts.

wow, but it has already been restored ?!
a tank that has stood for at least 20 years without serious preparation, although it has left, it is not known whether it can be done again without a serious repair ...

[moskal68]

Quote: svp67

Quote: 68

Well, here he is the only one on the go, for he was assembled from two unfinished Mous.

And what did the dumb movie for Americans have to prove to me?

[Landwarrior]

I hope that he will be brought back somehow at the recon defense of Moscow.